The Lowdown with Lowetide - Steve Lansky (Apr 17th)

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Steve Lansky joins us now.

Steve, how are you?

I'm great. How are you?

I am well.

I wanted to ask you, the orders went into yesterday,

needing a win, obviously,

and things had to break their way.

I think they did would, you know, I mean,

I don't want to see L.A.

Kings again, I guess, Debent.

And I've seen that, you know,

that movie a few times recently.

Is that how you felt?

You'd like to see maybe Anaheim instead

against Edmonton in the first round?

I guess so.

I mean, there's a few things that scare me about Anaheim.

Joel Gwynville, whether you like him or not,

based on what happened in Chicago,

the guy can coach,

and I don't love facing that.

And I don't love facing back goal-tending if it gets hot.

But the problem is, you know,

I think I posted about a week ago,

they needed a win in the division,

is what they needed to do.

And I realized that's still what I got him, L.A.,

but I think I'm going to have their hands full.

But Connor Ingram is going to have to do something

he's never done before.

And that's maybe when a series,

a lot of it on his own.

Well, they also have, like, my concern is

Radco Goudus is on the team,

and so is Jacob Truba.

And, you know, there's,

it's the Wild Wild West,

and sometimes defensemen play outside the law.

They have that gear.

L.A. does, too, so you couldn't avoid it.

But I agree with you on Quenville,

their goal-tending can steal a game.

I watched that fellow play in the AHL and the NHL,

and he's done it at both levels.

I do think if we're looking at it

from 10,000 feet or after the series,

Evadminton does win.

One of the things we'll talk about

is maybe a lack of experience

from some of the most important players

on the team in Anaheim.

Maybe I think that's a valid point,

but I think the Oilers have to not

to cliche, but not get ahead of themselves.

You know, they've gone to the final twice.

They know exactly what it feels like,

most of them know exactly what it feels like.

Although there's some younger guys that don't,

which is great, but I think they, you know,

it's cliche again, one period at a time,

one game at a time, one chip at a time,

that kind of thing.

And I really do think Conor Ingram's

got to make about two, three saves a game

that maybe he has no business making.

And I think that would get him off on the right foot.

I mean, let's be honest.

I think I don't know.

I haven't thought about this till now.

I think they got to win both games at home to start,

or it's going to be a real slog.

Right. And you know, you, I think what,

what, what most people wanted was them

to get through one series without losing anybody

and maybe not, you know, using all their energy up.

I picked Anaheim in six,

because we're going to do that next break.

But because I think that I'm sorry,

I picked Edmonton in six,

because I think that there will be a couple

of weird officiating calls.

And one of the games probably gets one

by the Anaheim gold tender.

But when you're picking one team over another in six,

there are enough questions that you can't be surprised

if it goes the other way.

What kind of summer do you think the orders would have

if they lost in round one to Anaheim?

Would we see a coaching change?

Maybe a big trade?

What's your thought on that?

I think it depends why they lost.

I honestly do.

I think I wouldn't feel overly comfortable

speculating on that because I think it depends why they lost.

Was it gold sending?

Was it just a complete lack of heart?

Was it defensive breakdown all around?

Did Anaheim's gold tender just stand on his head

and did maybe their defense punish?

McDavid and Hyman and anybody else a little more

than they thought they were going to be punished?

Like it could be,

it could be a bunch of reasons they don't win.

I don't see a sweep.

If you told me it was going to go seven for the oilers,

I would buy that.

But I think it's going to be a tough first round.

And the sad part is,

it ain't going to get any easier after that.

No, no.

The, you know, the golden nights,

it's not talked about much,

but they're, they changed their coach.

Their goal tending was exceptional down the stretch.

They ended up winning the division and did it on merit

because they, you know, they,

when they want to saw Vegas in Vegas,

they weren't very good.

And then when they saw them here in Edmonton,

they were exceptional.

It really did turn on an dime.

And if that's their second round matchup,

that's a load.

And then your third round matchup might be somebody like,

you know, Colorado or Minnesota or Dallas.

This is a real hornet's nest in the West.

Totally.

I mean, you can put me on record if you want.

The oilers are not going to get past Colorado.

It's not going to happen.

So somebody's got to get rid of Colorado

before they get there.

I think they're going to have their hands full

with the Vegas because Vegas isn't going to turn

on Torturella before the end of these playoffs.

They'll turn on them at some point.

And that'll be the end of him,

but it's not going to happen now.

And he's got everybody doing everything

in the right direction.

As soon as they fired Bruce Cassidy,

I looked at a body and said, uh-oh, we're in trouble.

Because they're, and I didn't know that going defeated,

but it was like, you know what?

They're not, they're not,

they're going to go into the playoffs

on the biggest high in the history of highs

and dammit if they're not, which is, that's, that's tough.

I mean, and that's why I said,

the oilers can't look ahead.

You know, don't worry about what,

the wall you've got to go over next.

Just worry about this wall right now.

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When you start out, like we'll find out about Leandre Isle,

he was skating well yesterday

and I have a sneaking hunch that he'll be in the lineup

for game one and ready to roll.

But it's the playoffs in the national hockey league

unlike any sport I know in that it is, you know,

people say, well, that's a war of attrition.

Yeah, but it is like it's painful to watch

because everybody starts the playoffs

and they're like, healthy and they're brilliant.

And then by the end of it, you can just tell

that they've lost 12 pounds that, you know,

they may lose a finger

and there's probably two off-season surgeries

and they look gaunt.

This is a tough thing to watch.

And, you know, I mean, I don't know

that there's an easy out in the national hockey league

right now because everybody's different shades of equal.

But if the longer they can stay healthy

and the more they can dress the most,

the best players who are available to them,

I think the better chance for any team to win the Stanley Cup.

Dude, I'm telling you, if I'm the Anaheim Duck,

my meeting right now is pound 97 and pound 29.

One of them's gonna break.

I think the odds are 29's gonna be the one.

But if I can hit either one of them,

I am doing that nonstop.

Well, that's funny for four games,

but it's not funny for 23 games.

And I think that's gonna be a real,

and then that happens.

The others can't lose their cool.

Darnel Nurse can't pull a Darnel Nurse

and start running around and losing any amount of composure

you may or may not have at this point.

I think they're gonna, Joe Quendill's no dummy.

I know what he's thinking.

And then I'd be thinking the same thing.

And we don't know if Leon's 100.

Maybe Leon's only 78.

Oh jeez, I wouldn't want to go into that theories at 78.

I'll tell you, that's just me.

Well, and you know, your point is while taken,

and we've seen a lot of hockey

where guys are targeted with whatever injury,

they have and there's enough reporting

to guess pretty well.

And this is a veteran coach, as you say.

I wanted to talk to you a little bit

about the Toronto Maple Leafs today.

I noticed that I've been reading a little bit

I wrote Myrtle's piece and I read Myrtle's piece

in the athletic.

I read a few other athletic pieces

and some others as well from Arthur and others.

And I, you know, today it's announced

that Sundine is gonna interview for a job.

I just feel like that's PR.

This sounds, I'm not saying it's Harold Ballard level,

you know, Chaos, but it feels to me like the Toronto Maple Leafs

are about to go into a fairly long period

of not knowing what the hell they're doing.

Uh, did that help me out?

Did that period ever end?

I'm just, I'm just asking for a friend.

Yeah, I'm wondering when that,

yeah, when that period ever ended.

It, it, it's so strange.

I, I, it, it's almost impossible.

And I'm sitting at the corner

of Young and Birch and Toronto right now.

So I'm right in the middle of it.

And everybody is just befuddled about what's happened.

Mark is gone.

The whole thing fell apart.

There's just this, this strange malaise

around a bunch of guys who have it all

and they just can't figure out how to roll seven on the dice.

And it, it's the strangest thing.

And I guess, you know, people here,

like now it's Keith Pelley, you know,

five years from now, it'll be somebody else.

They think they have the magic bullet.

They think they can, you know,

and you have to remind me.

You said you read Myrtle Species

and you wrote arts, his piece,

read arts, his piece and that,

let it, was one of them mentioning

when Pelley was in the draft

and he was asking questions about any, and all he had

was a bunch of AI in front of him on a paper.

Is that one of those?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's, it's funny, right?

And it's so not funny at the very same time.

It's like, are you kidding me?

And then when you say Harold Ballard, like,

Harold Ballard, you see the craziest bat crap stuff

that, you know, he want to run to Neilson

to wear a bag for God's sake,

after he'd fire him, fired him,

and then he, nobody would take the job.

So we'll take you back, Roger,

but you got to one the bench with a bag on your head,

like, this is borderline insane.

And, and I just keep reading stuff like that.

And I'm like, what is it?

Is it the water?

Is it the pressure in this town?

It could be any of those things.

Well, and it's, the farther you get, like, you know,

you, you drafted Matthews, you've got Neilander,

you've gotten Mariner, now Mariner's gone.

They, you know, they were going to, you know,

do a lot of great things with that Mariner money.

Well, they, they spent it on third and fourth line guys,

and that didn't work.

But even now, and I've said this all along, NHL teams,

they've got two reasonable goal tenders there in Toronto.

They have Matthews, or they could trade Matthews

for something really good.

There's talent there.

It doesn't have to take 10 years,

but I, I get the feeling we're going to be talking about

the Leafs and the Draft Lottery for the next three years.

And it's partly because the leadership is,

is just nowhere to be found.

And I'm reminded of the, the Scotty Bowman

tweet from years ago, or a comment from years ago,

where he was asked why the Montreal Canadians were so successful.

And he said, the Moulson family shows up for a skate twice a year

before we skate on Sunday for the Sunday game.

And then they are there for the, the, the, the photo

at the end of the year, the, the team photo there,

in there as well.

And we don't see them.

They don't talk to Sam Pollock.

They don't talk to me.

They let us do our business.

I don't know how the Maple Leafs will ever get there,

but that's what they need.

So I loved what you said.

And the only phrase you left out is second guessing.

The problem is here in Toronto.

I think it's a big part of it.

Everybody's second guesses, everybody.

Ruby's great.

Bread to a living is going to be great.

Oh, and the second guessing starts.

The next thing you know, it's her living is going to be out.

Well, guess what?

Ruby's going to be out on his attitude and up.

Pete DeBourre would have come in here if he hadn't been hired.

I'm guessing because they'll just, they'll go for the biggest name.

They'll grab a mic bath talk.

They'll grab a this.

They'll grab a that.

And then all of a sudden, it's almost like, you know,

dogs in a circle.

And the next thing, you know, they're all picking and fighting at each other.

And it's, it's the weirdest dynamic I've ever seen in sports.

It would be a great thesis for college to go in there and go,

what the hell is wrong with you people?

And then just write the answers you get.

That's it.

Guaranteed eight.

Yeah, it's the thing that drives me nuts.

Like I'd like to watch team building, right?

Yeah, but you know, they've even buggered that up because the Leafs,

like the draft lottery is coming.

And there's a 58.2% chance that the Leafs will slip to sixth or seventh in that lottery.

And then that pick goes to the Boston Bruins because of the dumb ass trade they made.

And I, that's what I don't understand.

The Leafs have to be self-aware that they can't make trades like that because they're

not so good that they can guarantee they're not going to be in the damn lottery.

If I'm a fan of the Toronto Maple Leafs, I'm Matt as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

I've never seen a group of people who are more asmarized by B.S. in my entire life.

I mean, Keith Kelly ran the European Golf Tour.

Does that strike you as the guy you want to come in and lead this group out of the wilderness

and back into the playoffs and back into 1967 with the Stanley Cup?

That doesn't strike me as that guy.

But what the hell do I know?

But you walk in a room, you talk fancy, everybody gets confused.

And the next thing you know, you got Shanahan in there, you got Triliving.

And they all got a lot of mouth.

There's a lot of mouth.

But there's not a lot of everything else.

Yeah, I think the, I don't know what the Leafs need.

I know they need a general manager who's really smart, but I think more and a great coach,

but more than anything, they need the people who are above them in the management tree

to shut the hell up and get the hell out of the way.

Like everybody knew the, the Moulson family ran the Montreal Canadian forever.

Can you name like five members of the Moulson family?

I remember Senator Hartlin, Moulson, but oh, if I worked in hockey forever, like,

you're right.

They were so in the background that people can tell you everything about Harold Ballard.

Well, that's not what you want.

That's not a recipe for success.

No, it's true.

The more well known the owner is, the poorer the chances to win the Stanley Cup.

I think that's a fair thing to say.

I think that's a direct arrow between the two.

I can't disagree with that at all.

I know you're going to say what the weather like is in Toronto and I prepared to hate you,

but what's the low weather like in Toronto?

Well, the grass is green beside me.

Everything's green.

There is lady walking past me brushing her blonde hair.

I'm not making this up.

Wearing a white tank top and a lovely skirt with some brown boots talking on the phone.

There is not a cloud in the sky, but now I'll make you feel better.

We're supposed to get 20 millimeters of rain tomorrow.

Okay.

It's kind of been up and down, but I got to tell you that the grass is 100% green.

I'm looking at it and there are buds on the tree outside my window.

I'm going to take a picture when we're done.

The you know I'm telling the truth.

Well, I will say this that you description of the young lady and the situation around

sounds like a producer to me.

You created a very nice picture, sir.

That was my job.

It's radio.

I got to paint a picture with it.

I left a few things out that I thought that might not be a PC, but I could have flushed

it up a little bit, but I did my best.

Well, I'll use my imagination on the other end.

Thank you, Lansky.

That's what radio is for, buddy.

Have a great one.

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