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It is Thursday the day after tax day. So now you emptied your wallets to a

government. What does the government do to you? What does it do for you?

One of the big things that I don't care if you're a conservative liberal

libertarian. I think we all recognize at this point

that the surveillance state has gotten out of hand. Everything is about surveillance,

data, digital. We're nothing but cogs in a system to be examined. The the movement

and the party that would seize the opportunity to push back against this

and promote privacy and dignity, particularly in the realm of healthcare by

the way. That party would explode and particularly

among younger voters. So we're going to delve into

their surveillance state broadly, but in specifically the rise of the surveillance

data state in medicine where everything about you is recorded. You think HIPAA

protects you HIPAA was or well, you know, did the opposite. HIPAA, real ID,

AI, ambient AI, generative AI in the in the examining room. It's everywhere now,

the digital electronic records. So we're going to do a part two with twilight

braze coming up. We had her on to talk about the delivery and functionality of

healthcare on the anniversary of Obamacare's passage. Now we're going to talk about the rise

of their surveillance state in healthcare. But first to the news of the day, how

sadly apropos that the number one focus of Donald Trump and the Republican

leadership today is to jam down a reauthorization

of section 702 of Faiza that spied on his own campaign that we now know

and particularly when Democrats come back into power will be a bigger tool to go

after people like you and me than it certainly is the Islamist because they

agree with it. And we all this is an issue that I think, you know,

as someone who's been very consistent, I don't change, I don't evolve,

but you do have to learn new things. As a young college age kid following 9-11,

like a lot of people, I heard concerns from libertarians who might disagree with on immigration

crime, a lot of issues, social issues. But they were right on this.

They're concerns about the Patriot Act, the surveillance state.

And to me, I figured, well, if you're an American citizen roped into a foreign surveillance,

well, must be like some sort of care Muslim brotherhood guy,

communicating with a Hamas dude or whatever. So screw then.

But as time went on, I think we started to realize what happened.

Like everything with our and our co tyranny system, we imported Islam,

we empowered the Muslim brotherhood, we know who they are, we know where they are,

we know where their mosques are. Trump is not going after them,

but instead wants to catch or expand this broad net to rope in everyone.

And in fact, it's not the exception, but the rule that it's focused more on Americans.

We've learned that now. And yet this is Trump's number one focus, number one focus.

So he put out, I'm working very hard with our great speaker Mike Johnson along with Chairman Jim

Jordan and Chairman Rick Crawford, all a bunch of rhinos to get a clean extension of Pfizer 702.

By the way, this is a degree of capital. He is not expanding on anything.

And I mean that anything, not on immigration, not on sanctuary cities.

And he basically said he recognized, yeah, I've been the victim of the worst illegal abuse.

Hillary Clinton rigged it, yada yada, it was illegal.

I'm willing to risk that as a citizen in order to do what is right for our country.

Our military desperately desperately needs, Pfizer 702.

So notice he makes it about the military, not about the intel groups, because you know,

the military has, you know, more support. Let me tell you something.

We don't need Pfizer 702 without a warrant to win wars.

That is nothing to do with that. And in terms of domestic terrorism,

if you're going to continue Muslim immigration and not arrest the people, look,

if you want to know where they are, there is a bunch of NGOs, the Rare Foundation, our friends,

they're Amy Mac, talk to her. Okay, they know where the bodies are buried.

They know who the terrorist imams are and the terrorist organizations.

If you're not going to do anything about it, don't come to me and say, oh, I need this.

I'm willing to have it abused. See, it would be naive enough to think that this is a good idea

if Trump himself would be president forever or someone like it. But we know Democrats are going

to come back in. We know what they use it for. So you have an opportunity to reform it now.

And you're like, no, I don't want to do that. And by the way, this is a part of a broader problem

with Trump that this is what happens when you elevate a guy that doesn't have values,

doesn't know policy, doesn't care to know it. It's all about himself.

Despite his populist rhetoric, ironically, Trump is the most establishment guy around

because he'll go and demagogue an issue. And then he'll get in there and be impressed

by the establishment talking points. He's doing this with immigration too.

Yeah, we're going to throw them all out. And now, oh, yeah, I guess the corporations need more

workers. You know, the Wall Street Journal has an article out. Trump got more H2B visas for

his hotels. It's his own for his own purposes. He appoints another dud as DHS Secretary Mark Wynn

Mullin. I tried to defeat him for house before he got into Senate, much less DHS. We want legal

immigration. We're a nation of immigrants. This is completely or well, Ian, completely or

well, Ian. And by the way, he appointed Erica Schwartz as the next CDC director. She is literally

the one who ordered the fraudulent PCR testing that was part of that COVID syop,

rather than elevating Dr. Joe Latipo, a Florida that tells you everything. You know,

Trump has been picking a ton of people from Florida for positions. That's the one you would pick.

But no, nothing. And then by the way, as we're going to talk about with our guest,

real ID was passed in the wake of 9-11. But then for a number of reasons, it was never implemented.

Under Kristinaum, the Trump administration makes that the priority. I'm going to be the administration

implemented. It's very interesting for someone that seems to be stymied by a lack of votes in Congress,

the filibuster, the courts. It sure seems like when he wants to get certain things, he gets it.

He has priorities. It's just not the ones he campaigned on. Dating back to 2016.

So he's the one who gave us real ID now, which is another world-reliant tool. And again,

I don't want to hear this business that we need a national digital surveillance state to deal with crime,

to deal terrorism, to deal with immigration. History has shown that not to be true. It's shown that

we get the surveillance state on Americans and you don't get the outcomes on crime, terrorism,

and immigration that you want. You want to solve immigration? We have all the solutions.

You cut off funding the sanctuary cities. You do jurisdiction stripping.

And you cut off employment. But we see Trump actually wants them employed.

So then don't come to me and say, oh, we need real ID to get rid of the illegals.

Import the Muslim world and then do nothing about the Muslim brotherhood and care.

Designate the Libyan Muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organization. Not the one right here.

That's the problem. Oh, but yeah, we need 5 to 702 to deal with terrorism.

What this all is is a circuitous cycle and really a triangle between big government, big tech,

and big medical. And this ties back into AI and the data centers. Why we're obsessing about

generative AI, cloud-based LLMs. It doesn't produce anything of functionality other

than to build a surveillance state. Their entire excuse is, oh, well, we need to beat China.

But China, as I noted, is not doing that. They've already done a surveillance state.

We're ironically using AI to replicate the worst things China is doing. Not the useful things

that they're doing, at least for themselves, that we should be racing towards.

You know, let me play a clip here. I don't know who this guy is, but I saw it online.

He is a former Greek finance minister, Yannis Verufukis or Verufukis. Yannis Verufukis.

He was on this guy Owen Jones podcast. I don't know who he is, but the clip is important

that the West uses AI to play with chat GPT and Claude and whatever. China uses it to operate drones

and control machinery, which is what we should be using it for. Take a listen. Big tech.

There are two big techs. There is a Silicon Valley big tech and there is a Chinese big tech.

Even though technology they are very similar, the minor in which these technologies are fused

in the economy is just chocolate and cheese. They are incomparable. In the United States,

in Britain, in Europe, what is AI? Chat GPT or Claude or Germany. Essentially you are paying

a subscription, you're buying a subscription to do what? To write your essays, write your articles,

compose poems, idiotic poems, and so on. Totally service-oriented. In China, I was there recently.

Also, AI-operated drones participate in farming and ensure that not one drop of water is wasted

when it comes to growing vegetables. So folks, again, I don't know who he is and what that

podcast is. I can't vouch for it, but I can vouch that what he is saying is the closest thing

to what I've been putting out for a long time. We're being treated to this false choice. A false choice

of technology and AI future is all about cloud-based LLMs and you need massive amounts of

cloud and endless data centers and yet might have some harms, but we've got to make this work.

When, in fact, it's a false choice and not only is that a false choice, but we're misallocating

capital and resource away from the real AI that China is utilizing machinery and weaponry.

China is using AI to make tools. We're using AI to make fools and retards and that's the reality here.

So I'm very much for AI and that's why I oppose this cloud-based LLM data center stuff.

But I don't want to get to into data centers and AI today. My point to lead up to our guess today

is that the reason they're obsessed with this is it's all about big data. It's not even AI. That's

just the latest tool to exacerbate what they've been building for a while. It's all about data. You

are nothing but a data point, take away your privacy, surveil you all the time,

and then government control. It amazes me how we live through Biden and we know the next

Democrats going to be worse. And everyone is like big tech, big medicine, pharma,

biomedical security state, big government, all working together.

And then now under Trump, we embrace the hell out of it more than even the Democrats did.

And it would be bad enough if Republicans would be in charge forever, but they're not.

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So folks, speaking of animal farm and or well, it's now been three decades since we passed HIPAA.

Now, that law is almost entrenched in the in the body politic and the tissue and fabric of our

parlance or language or culture is a paragon for privacy. Okay, and anti surveillance.

But like everything or well, you know, in fact, as we've seen, since it's been implemented 23 years

ago or so, the exact opposite has happened. Certainly, exactly. It's been by Obamacare,

the rise of electronic records where it's almost like a perfect

exemplification of anarcho tyranny. It's almost like all it does is block

sometimes relatives that actually need access to a parent or a child. Then it gives you problems.

But it turns out that between big government again, then iron triangle, big government,

big tech, big medical. There's an awful lot of people that they all have, I mean, many of you

went to pharmacies, doctors, this hospital, that hospital, they know everything. They pulled up

like, whoa, whoa, hey, you're not up on your vaccinations. And we certainly saw that a lot,

you know, since that became a contentious issue the last couple of years. So, you know,

whatever happened with that, whatever happened with fighting the biomedical security state

and big tech, the two are working together. I thought that was a big goal of the right.

Instead, now it's gotten worse. Then you have, as we mentioned, AI, which is being deployed

all over medicine. But again, I am, I am very much pro AI in a narrow low latency way where it is

used to impact as a tool, not an outcome for, for various tasks. But not when it's used for cloud

base. Notice everything is cloud, data centers, surveillance state, everything is about data,

data, data, data. And then finally, the third thing I want to get to with our guest is real ID.

So at a time where we've grown immigration, now I know the Trump administration has been relatively

better than others. But give me a break. We don't need real ID to deal with illegal immigration.

You can't, I'm sorry, but Mr. Trump, you can't say, hey, we need more workers for the farms in

the hotels. Oh, but I want to deal with it. Oh, let's get some real ID. Look, if you want to end

illegal immigration, I think we all know you could off the employment. And, you know, it's

though, you don't want to do that. That's a different argument. But don't tell me somehow we need

to cast a wide net on Americans. Again, real ID, HIPAA, Obamacare. We've done nothing on that.

Everything's a cloud-based AI with this administration. And then they're the ones to implement real

ID where others haven't. Oh, and then we need Pfizer 702. Something is not right here. We need to

reverse course on the rise of medical surveillance. Now with us today is a returning guest from a

couple of weeks, go one of our favorite twilight braze. She's president of Citizens Council for

Health Freedom. Check out their library of resources. See, see, H freedom dot org.

But she is the author of a book that you would think is new. But it's now seven years old. Big

brother inside the exam room, get it on Amazon anywhere you get books today. It is much bigger,

much bigger problem today with with now AI and everything else, real ID.

Twilight. Wow. I did not mean to time this. I booked you a week ago. But with the Pfizer 702 thing,

what a day. Yeah, well, you know, the thing is you should be able to feel the digital net.

I mean, you should be able to feel it. I think a lot of people don't because they're just living

their lives, right? But AI big tech, all of this is coming on a very big scale, you know,

to your neighborhood, to your home. Yeah. So let's start off with hip-hop. I want to move this

along. Get at least all three hip-hop AI and real ID and particularly how it ties into the rise

of medical surveillance of big brother inside the exam room, knowing everything about your health

and what they can and will do with it. Describe what HIPAA is the misnomer and how somehow,

here we are 30 years later, and we got the exact opposite result of what people thought they were

getting. Yeah. HIPAA, H-I-1-P2-A's, is often assumed that the P of HIPAA stands for privacy and

it does not. This is a law from 1996, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act,

and within that it had a section called Administrative Simplification, and that required the

development of national ID numbers. That should be a concern right from the get-go, right?

Including a unique patient identifier for every patient in the country. That is the only identifier

of HIPAA that has not yet been implemented, but we do think that real ID could become that,

but I'll leave that for the moment. So just so that you understand that HIPAA is considered a

privacy law, a privacy rule. The rule issued under that law came out in 2003, and it took away

privacy rights. There's hardly, the word consent is hardly anywhere in that rule, and most of it

does not pertain at all to medical records. HIPAA is considered a permissive data sharing

rule. Everybody in the industry knows it. Everybody in the government knows it. It's only the

American public who believes that it protects their privacy when it actually took their privacy away.

In 2010, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services put out a new HIPAA rule, or they added

to the HIPAA rule, and they listed all the entities that could have access to your medical records

without your consent, and that includes some of them with your name, some of them without your name.

But it's 2.2 million entities. Those entities are filled with people. So those entities include

702,000, what they call covered entities. These are all the people that you would expect to have

your medical records. So the doctors, the clinics, the hospitals, the laboratories, X-ray

facilities, et cetera. And then they named 1.5 million business associates. And these are all

the lawyers and data analytics firms, and you name it, who these covered entities might

sign a contract with in a business associate agreement. So there's 2.2 million entities that can

have access to your data, share your data, parse through, analyze your data all without your

consent. That is HIPAA. And because HIPAA took away your privacy rights, when President Obama imposed

the electronic health record mandate within 4 weeks of his first inauguration, it was part of

the Recovery and Reinvestment Act. When that happened, it meant that all of this data that you

have no control over could all be digitized and put into a computerized format and then made

available online through the internet. And so we have now state health information exchanges,

sharing data online with each other. We have the eHealth Exchange, which is a national portal

that all of those clinics and hospitals and government agencies that are part of the eHealth

Exchange, they can all share data with each other without your consent. Unless there's just a few

things in HIPAA where you might need consent or authorization, but almost nothing. So that's HIPAA.

So are you basically saying that pretty much government anything in big tech because they

are the stewards of these systems and anything loosely in how the healthcare sector

they all can access your records and share it back and forth?

Yes. And so like I said, the people who hold your records, they have to give the access. So if

they have a business associate agreement with, let's just say, Epic Health Record System,

right? That's a business associate agreement. So then Epic, this huge electronic health record

system has all of your data and can slice and dice your data. And actually I quote the owner

and the founder of Epic in my book and how she doesn't want it to be an EHR like chronic health

record. She wants it to be something more. She wants it to be a CHR, comprehensive health record.

And I'm only paraphrasing here what is written in the book, but she said something like,

we want to know when you sleep, what you eat, what you do, your behaviors, everything. And they

want that in the comprehensive health record. And so what is being built here because in HIPAA and

because of the electronic health record mandate that is on doctors, they don't get paid as well if

they don't use the government electronic health record. Because of that, what we're talking about

is the creation of a dossier on every American through the electronic health record system and

at a time when they're most vulnerable, most willing to say things they wouldn't,

otherwise say. And then all of that is being picked up now by AI, which I know is another topic

that you get to. Before AI, I wanted to close the loop on HIPAA, describe again how you feel it

was a negative. Besides for the comfort, the stuff that it does do, which is a problematic.

But in terms of the tyranny, we'll get to the anarchy part, the, you know, the problems

that creates, but as far as the tyranny part that is not just it failed to secure our privacy,

how again was it worse than it was without having the law at all? So before we had HIPAA,

if doctors or hospitals would have shared your information without your consent, you could have

sued and they would, they'd been liable. Today, you can't sue. You can only go to the government

and complain. And then the government may or may not choose to charge them with a HIPAA

violation. But of course, there's hardly anything that is a HIPAA violation when it comes to what

the individual person thinks, you know, with all of this wide sharing of information. And it was

the first national coordinator. So there's an office of the national coordinator of health

information technology. And for short, they call it ONC and they call the guy who runs it,

the national coordinator. So the David Brailler, who is the first national coordinator, I quote him

in my book. And again, I'm going to paraphrase, I'm not reading my book, but he said something like this,

you can't stop them from giving it to who you don't want it to go to. And you can't force them to

give it to those who you want your data to go to. So that is a paraphrase. But you get the picture,

right? You have no control. They have all the control over your data. This is your confidential

data. This can be things about your family, it can be things about your genetics, things about

illicit activities that you're engaged in, things that are so embarrassing and controversial.

And now all of these people have it. And I will tell you that I talked to a physical therapist once,

who told me she said, I don't think people realize how when they come into physical therapy,

all the things that I can see about their life that's in the record. I can see if they are being

treated for a sexually transmitted disease that I can see, I can see all of this. And I'm only

the physical therapist and they don't know. That's an important, so I mean, and I wonder if you could

even go down to an occupational therapist. I mean, again, very much adjacent healthcare extenders,

they now have access to everything. But it's more than that, when you go to the doctor,

particularly with pediatricians, so with with children, it's a lot more than just, you know,

you're on blood pressure meds or whatever. With kids, it's a lot of childhood development stuff.

And you know, now you have the AMA really pushed for them to start asking you on a gun.

Is it locked up in a safe? What type of car seat is your kid in? I mean, all this sort of stuff.

And there's scribbling notes or have on their iPad. So you're saying it's not a matter of a

what are your vitals? What sort of chronic illness you have? All these adjacent facts about you

then are in there and now shareable. Right. Yes, because most people just think, okay, I mean,

that's what these members of the staffers are the members of Congress. When several years ago,

we went and we said 22 visits. We had 22 office visits, right? So with all these congressional

staffers and the question that we asked them when we came in was, what does it mean when you sign

that hippo farm in the exam room? And to a person almost using the exact same words, they said,

that means it's that my information is between me and my doctor. Now these are the staffers for

the members of Congress. These are the ones telling the members of Congress, what's what? And so,

you know, everybody has bought the lie. It's a deliberate deception. The the form that you're

asked to fill out at the in the exam room, you can get it five different ways. We have a refuse

to sign Kippa one pager to show you the five different ways it can be presented to you and how

to say no to it, because by law, you can, because the whole purpose of that form is to convince you,

you have privacy. This is duplicative. I mean, it's just it's just part of the deceptive scheme.

They say it's a notice of privacy practices, but if you read it, it's a notice of disclosure

practices. It tells you everything that in every way that they can share your data. And I was talking

to an attorney who was the health staffer for a member of the US house. And I told her this and she

said, I can't believe it. I'm an attorney. I've never read that. I just assumed it said the hippo,

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across the board. We see it all the time that they'll try to get out ahead of an issue and say,

oh, this is to address what you like. But you always have to think what is current law? And what are

they doing? Oh, we're going to create privacy. Like you said, well, you're not going to steal someone's

information and transferred. That was a cause of action before. And then now they come in and

channel. It's kind of like the vaccine law. Now everyone knows that the vaccine companies are not

liable for anything. But at the time, you could imagine it would we're creating a vaccine liability

program. And they were and they did, except what they did is they're they foreclosed upon 99%

of any real actionable cause and channeled it into something that is really not functional, not

useful. So this is what they do. In classic anarcho tyranny, what they tend to do is come up with a

pretext. Not only doesn't it not solve that problem. It exacerbates it. And that's the first part

of what you described. But then there's always another part of it that then it has collateral damage

and does other stuff that it shouldn't be doing. So so there's the part that it doesn't protect your

privacy. But isn't it also true that it's actually cumbersome for when you actually need to get

information better relative plus hasn't just created a tremendous cost and busy work for doctors

while accomplishing nothing. I'll say yes to that, but I'll say something that's even I think even

that I guess there's is troubling on different levels. Yes, there's so much cumbersomeness and

and it's a huge regulation they have to follow and they're threatened with fines and you know a

HIPAA violations and so they're scared to death and so they believe you have to sign the form even

when you don't. And so if people go to our website at cchfreedom.org and go to the bottom of the

homepage and look at helpful handouts, they will find our document that they can use and it's

how to refuse, I think it's how to refuse to sign the HIPAA authorization, something like that.

They'll see it and there's a picture of holding a phone in your hand because this is the way to

really actually do it and not participate in this big deception program and educate people at

the same time. But the other thing that HIPAA did that people don't really think about is there is

HHS Hall of Shame for every breach that happens of electronic health records and electronic

health records have more street value than your social security number and so there are breaches

coming from all around the world and so what they really did was they made all of the American

people plus our national security has been threatened. So we are all in jeopardy at a personal level

of our information being hacked and all that data about us being available whereas they wouldn't

have to figure out a way into a file cabinet before and then spend some time looking amongst all

the papers to figure out where we were. But now they've made us and our information available to

hackers across the world. But not only that but just think of all the members of Congress, the

president, state legislators, just think of what a hacker could do or even a staffer in a clinic

who figures out who happens to see something and what they could do to threaten national security

or what they could do to threaten personal security or how they could use the information to blackmail.

None of this was really possible before. You had to be in that exam room. You had to have some

sense. You had to go looking through the files. So they've made everybody vulnerable in order to

harvest this gold mine of data for everybody who wants it. So let's go into that harvesting of data.

So this gets to the crux of the AI debate that I've been fighting more broadly even outside the

scope of the medical surveillance, the broad surveillance state. I've said that a lot of Americans are

confused as to what China is doing and what we should be competing with versus what the bipartisan

cartel is doing here low latency narrow targeted you program something which is really more edge

computing than it is LLMs and you don't need data centers. You don't need this cost of stuff and

you don't need the cloud to program a robot to do welding to do farming. And that's what China is

doing because China doesn't need to AI for a surveillance state because they built it before that

and they didn't very well. So they're on to other things. We're building a surveillance state here.

So it's just a convenience that they want to say that anything you want that's useful. Oh,

in medicine. Oh, AI will cure cancer. But in fact, we all know there's no such thing in life as

something that's not targeted that you throw jelly against the wall and it works. We put everyone's

entire history and their medical records into a into into a system and it will spin up and I will

Oracle of Delphi, you know, God like Zeus that will tell you what should you in any scenario.

That's the sort of if you ever listen to Larry Ellison, that is what what he talks about with

this cloud based data center model. So could you describe how AI is being deployed and you know,

what could possibly be a good use of it versus what it's being used for and the potential harms of

it. So I can give you some things. I think there's a lot of things that are perhaps seeking place

behind the scenes, but of the things that are actually out in the public eye. Several things that

I can say about that. So I think a study just came out that said something like 75% of doctors are

now using AI in their practice. I wasn't able to before this interview take a look at that study

and see are they talking about at an administrative level or are they talking at a diagnostic and

treatment level because both of those are happening where they are putting in symptoms and I think

particular particularly this might be happening more with the non physicians, the nurse practitioners

and the PA who don't have anywhere near the clinical expertise experience or education of the

physicians. They may be doing it more than others, but I don't know that for sure. But the fact of

the matter is AI is being used to build protocols, treatment protocols on the computer, every doctor

because of this electronic health record mandate. And it's not just any electronic health record.

It is the government certified electronic health record. And if they don't use that and they don't

use it for what the government wants it to be used for, it's called meaningful use. They've

meaningful use regulations. And so if they don't use it meaningfully, they don't have it, they don't

use it meaningfully, they'll get paid less. So as a result of that, what we have is an entire network

of electronic health record systems all the certified by the government to do what the government

wants. And on them are protocols. And those protocols are treatment protocols. And then doctors

are tracked. So every click that they make on a computer can be tracked. And so if they have

you know, a corporation above them if they're not an independent practice, which most most doctors

have today. Because of the electronic health record system, it was so unaffordable that they

sold their practices because they couldn't do it. So that's just another way to bring all the

doctors into a corporate government controlled system. Anyway, so they're all being tracked

to see if they're following the AI protocols. But like I think it's United Health Group and maybe it's

some others that are also using AI to look through prior authorization requests. And so AI has

been used to deny access to care. AI is being used for radiology in particular to review scans. Now

when you ask if there are some benefits to it, it seems like radiology may be one of the places where

this works better than most other places to find even little things that maybe the radiology

radiologists miss with their naked eye. So that that might be a plus in this. But it has to be a tool

not an endpoint. And that's what concerns me when you say that, you know, they're just typing

into their cheap little things. Had a, you know, I saw it firsthand with my wife,

how much lidocaine to apply before, you know, giving stitches, stitches. That was kind of scary.

Now, something like that is pretty standard. But a lot of things, I mean, we know, I mean,

I'm sure you've seen the analysis before. Most of the publicly available AI chatbots,

they take their number one source is actually right at Yelp. You know, Wikipedia, it just

scrapes what's there. I mean, it's a glorified search engine that's presented in a more authoritative

tone and a personalized question and answer tone. That's what it is. So, you know, yeah, I mean,

people Google things, but they didn't think that that was the end all. That's what's concerning

about this. And it's going to atrophy doctors brains while also, um, but, but failing to produce,

because we know the hallucination rate. And look, you want to produce an image, a thumbnail for

a podcast. All right. So go do it. But this stuff, you know, three to five percent error rate is

not acceptable for a lot of these things. Um, now if you have the human end, you do this as an extra

backstop with radiology, that's one thing. But there's, so there's the efficacy question.

But there's also the surveillance state. I was not aware of this. You've been really warning about

ambient listening tools powered by AI in the examining room, literally the title of your book

before this happened. What is that? Yeah, ambient listening. Doesn't that just sound, I don't know,

kind of nice, right? Ambience, right? Um, ambient listening is AI listening devices in the

exam room to record every word that is said in that exam room to put it all together into a text,

including the treatment, including subjective statements that were made objective,

things that the, that the doctor found, and then put them all together into a note for the doctor.

Now this is a third party in the exam room. And some people listen to you are going to go,

yeah, but I already got the scribe that sits there typing away. Well, why do we have a scribe at all?

We never used to have scribes. We never used to have third parties in the exam room. This should not

be acceptable. And you can tell the scribe to go away. You can tell the doctor. You don't want

the scribe. You have a right to do that. And people don't know that, but they do. Um, because it's

supposed to be a confidential relationship. It's supposed to be a sacred, uh, sanctuary sacred space

for you to get what you need a safe place for you to say whatever has to be said to get whatever

you need and to not have any of your words used against you. But here, now with ambient listening,

it comes into the room in a variety of ways. Sometimes the room will be set up with recording

devices. Sometimes the recording will device will be in the, um, the computer that the doctor

brings in the room. In my case, one time, it was a doctor who brought in his phone and said,

I'll just be recording this. I said, no, you won't. He knows what it won't be as complete.

I just didn't say anything, but he put that, turned it off, put it away. And I'm like, I don't care,

right? You don't get to do that. Um, sometimes it will be, um, you'll get a notice, a consent

form, an actual consent form that says ambient listening on the top. And it's, it's a consent form

just for that. And you can say yes or no. Sometimes it will be embedded into a multiple or

consolidated consent form that has, you know, uh, right to, uh, uh, uh, consent to be treated,

consent to be billed, consent for this consent for that. You know, you've seen them, right? Multiple

things. And ambient listening could be one of those consents in there. And you'd have to look for it.

But not only would you have to look for it, you'd have to, if you're going to cross it out,

you're going to have to tell them. And when the doctor walks in and when the med tech walks in,

you're going to have to tell them, no ambient listening in this room. I did not consent to it.

It's a good thing for you to actually ask them, is there ambient listening in this clinic?

Because I don't want it. And who do I have to tell so it doesn't happen? Um, the other thing

that I have seen is somebody sent me a picture of a post, uh, you know, an eight and a half by

by 11 inch, um, poster, essentially in the exam room that said ambient listening on it. And it's

said, if you continue to remain in this room, you have given your consent to be, have the encounter

recorded. Now, I just like to remind people that every patient is a vulnerable person. I don't

care if you're just there for an ear infection, or if you're there for a sexually transmitted

disease, whatever it is, you can't get what you need without the doctor giving it to you.

So everybody is vulnerable and they don't want to make a stink because they don't want anybody

mad at them because they have to get something, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of people will just

stay in that room and they won't say anything. I'm just telling you, it's, it's, you have to say

something. You really have to stop the scribes, you know, whatever form they are in, but just think

of the problems with ambient listening. Every word picked up, then you kind of forget that the

listening device. It's a quantum leap because the, yeah, the doctors were inputting things on

their own, but typically you'll throw into the conversation, you might even have a conversation

about your personal life. And automatically, it could be, yeah, you know, uh, my, my, uh,

my parent was acting a little crazy today. It's tough. I got to take care of, uh, you know,

my, my, my parent is cognitive decline. And whatever it is, I mean, people tell them a lot of things.

So presumably, when you have a doctor trans cry, he's not going to sit and write that down in front

of you. But now that this is automatically input. So where does it go into what? And who has access

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Yeah, so they have a company, right? So whatever the company, there's a bunch of ambient

listening companies. And so, you know, whoever they have as the transcribers, whether they are in

this country or in another country. And then that is transcribed and sent back to the doctor to

review and sign off on. Now, imagine you see 20 patients in a day. And AI, as you know,

AI adds a lot of extra words when they when a pulsing together. I'm not exactly sure how many

extra words it says or how it pulsing together or the errors in its listening because all of us

who do voice to text know we have to look at that text before we press send. It never works.

Yes, because there are just words you have to change, right? It doesn't hear you correctly.

And so, and so who knows what's there and will the doctor catch everything? But if the doctor

doesn't catch everything, if the doctor doesn't delete things and let's them go into the medical

record, now as I described about HIPAA, all of these people from all over the place are going to

think this is true about you. Okay, and I saw you guys put out 42% of medical groups

all are already using this. So this is what hospitals, ERs, but primary care specialists,

anything? Yeah, that's correct. I do think the best thing to do is to ask the question. When

you come to the desk or you can call up in advance and say, should I be concerned about ambient

listening devices? Do you have any? Or just ask when you check in and say, are there ambient listening

devices here? Because I want them shut off. And then go when you go into the room, can you say,

is there an ambient listening device here? And the more that they hear people ask the question,

the more that they will know this is unacceptable. It's unacceptable. And the doctors like it,

because they can look at you, they can listen to you, right? Yeah, it's what they wanted to do.

But the only reason that we're here is because the government imposed electronic health record and

hip and classic, classic cycle of government, they make a problem in the solution. Oh, yeah,

you're sitting and looking at the iPad every second. Don't you want to actually go back to the good

old days? Yeah, AI will solve it for you. Yeah. And it's just, it is, it is unreal, unreal. And this

is why you have to have guard guard rails on this stuff. You know, it is interesting. The contrast

between the Trump administration, pushing all this stuff, pushing real ID, pushing Pfizer 702,

DeSantis is having a special session on redistricting, but he added to it medical freedom stuff with

vaccines and AI bill of rights as well. It's going to deal with the data centers as well. Again,

not to get too political here, but that contrast is pretty, pretty jarring what we could have had.

One more thing, I promised that we'd get to all three. So we don't have that much time.

But the real ID, you know, look, Trump, it's not as fault he didn't pass it. But my gosh,

we filibustered it to death and blocked its implementation forever. He could have just not done it and

continued the waivers, but they made it a priority. We're going to do it. So they implemented it.

What would you say to people that are like, look, the government knows everything about me anyway.

I always had a driver's license. What is this quantum leap between what we typically had?

And then everyone in their state that they had to get a real ID driver's license.

Why is it so much worse? Well, first of all, if the government wants it, they don't have it.

This is the first thing that everybody needs to know. If there's a push to get something,

they don't have it. So whatever information you think that they have on you,

they don't think that they have it the way you the way they want it,

or in the degree that you think that they have it. The thing about real ID to understand

is it is a federal ID masquerading as a state driver's license. It is now a federal ID.

And the federal government is allowing states to use it as a driver's license.

But the law says that it can, that the official purposes of real ID can be expanded,

add, and finite them. So the law says it has to be used for access to federal buildings,

nuclear facilities, commercial flight, and any other purposes that the secretary shall

determine. The secretary in a 2008 rule said, we don't believe we have to go back to Congress

or the president to expand it. So imagine they expanded to health care because after all,

health care government funds health care to the tune of about 47% across this country.

So how easy would it be to say, well, you can't go see a doctor without a real ID?

Medicare and Medicaid VA. And everybody, everybody would fall in line.

Right now there's 44% of all cards that are not real ID compliant and we're trying to get

everybody to switch back to a standard state driver's license because here's the deal.

If you look what the secretary can do, it wouldn't only be health care, it would be buying a gun,

it would be opening a bank account, renting a hotel, getting an education,

having a job, applying for a job, anything you can think of the secretary can decide that you

must have a real ID for. And so this will become a digital, that's the other thing, is all the DMV

said that they're going to digitize the real ID, put it on our phone and have remote access to it,

just like in China, right? So this will be a digital biometric controlled domestic passport for

all of life. That is where this can go. And then if you have your phone tied to your bank,

now we can build a social credit system. We'll know where you are every time you pull it out,

it pings the government because that's what a digital ID does, it pings the government.

So what we're setting up here, this is not just a driver's license with a star on with extra security.

And it won't even keep illegals out and it won't stop terrorists. We did a legal analysis from

the former solicitor general of Louisiana. And he wrote how this is not going to do any of those

two things. And even for the SAVAC, people like the SAVAC. And the real ID is being pushed as a way

to help with the SAVAC. Even the SAVAC says if you have a real ID, it's not good enough for citizenship.

You have to bring your birth certificate or your citizenship certificate or whatever with you

to register to vote because it's not good enough. All sorts of non-citizens can get it.

And the Homeland Security has a list of those types of non-citizens that can get a real ID.

Why is it? Look at this as a big surveillance biometric facial recognition

surveillance program in this country that's being built.

Classic anarcho tyranny. So as you write that real ID turned state DMVs into these federal data

collection systems. But the irony you and I both know that this epidemic of dangerous

illegal alien truck drivers that we're seeing with the CDLs, we know it's not stopping because

we're actually struggling enough to get enough red states to ban them sort of Florida. Indiana had

a rush of people killed. So they had to act on it. But California, forget it. I mean, they won't

even pass a bill defunding sanctuary cities on their reconciliation bill that they're doing

along party lines. They're too busy focusing on Pfizer 702. That's their priority. So this is

the anarcho tyranny and this is how you and I feel under the Trump administration. So now wait

another few years and you have the secretary shall determine a secretary DHS. I mean, you can only

imagine what's going to pop out there. Some sort of training, you know, freak. Maybe we'll be in

illegal alien himself by then. That's probably where the Democrats are headed. And now you just

under your administration empowered them and then you didn't even get me good out of it because

we're not shutting down the blue state CDLs for illegals that, you know, you're not getting the

benefit. And I think I just want to tie this all together while this is the lesson of casting a

wide net on surveillance. If you have a problem targeted, if there's a bunch of crime,

you don't need flock cameras, you freaking have 20 year mandatory minimums for these

punks that do bad things. They work. Okay, you don't let everyone add a prison and they're like,

oh, we have a problem. Let's have a surveillance state. You know, you have an immigration problem.

Well, I got news for you. You don't let Islamic immigration in and you go after we know where

they are. My friend Amy Mechno is exactly the organizations and the imams that have his ball

and Hamas on speed dial. We don't need this stuff is a pretext because it is amazing how we how

crime has grown illegal migration has grown. Islamic, you know, subversion in this country has grown

precisely after these tools were implemented. It is, it is ridiculous, but it's the medical

surveillance that I think all of us having gone through COVID. It should be obvious that this

is a problem. Twilight, closing words before we sew up here. I would say go to refuserealide.org

and get some of our information on how to make the switch back to the standard state license,

how to register on our page so that we can show how people are making that switch and how to,

you know, tell your friends that we've got videos, we've got one pages, we've got all sorts of things

and you've got to make this switch because this is the key to the surveillance state.

It doesn't matter that you have a passport, it doesn't matter that you've got a global,

you know, what is that called global, whatever travel, you know, the TSA pre-check.

They want everybody in the real ID. That's the one that's meant to be the domestic passport. That's

the one that will gather the information on you into the future. That's the one that will show

where you are. That's the one that can be used to keep you in a 15-minute city because they'll be

able to see where you are. That's the one that they want. They don't want to, they don't want the

other ones. They don't want the passport. They don't want all of those. This is the one they want

and this is one we have to stop them from getting. 15-minute cities, flock cameras everywhere,

5G everywhere, data centers everywhere. We're nothing but data point cogs in a system

with a bunch of solar farms everywhere to power our stuff, but then they get the gas powered

for their data centers. I mean, you know, again, and this is what we're seeing under this

administration. It only gets worse thereafter. We got to wake up. That's what I love about you,

that you dog, your dog manically focused on an issue. You don't leave it. It doesn't suddenly

become good because your guy is doing it. If anything, it's actually worse because it creates

broad consensus. I love that about you. I'm on the same way. Never stop fighting cch freedom.org.

That is where all the information is. Twilight God bless you for what you do. We'll have you back soon.

Thank you. All righty. Take care folks. So again, that was one of my favorite guests. Twilight

braze. Again, I don't mean to date her. I'm getting old myself, but there's something to be

said about people that have been around a while fighting issues that knew where the bathroom was

and knew what they believed before. Trump came along before social media was a thing. All these

teeny-boppers were not being led by Exodus 1821 sages. You just have a bunch of teeny-boppers

that see, and ironically, they don't realize their victims of the same algorithmic slop

that controls their brain to think what's important. Notice my show never follows the algorithms

of what is in necessarily the biggest thing on Twitter, and that's why I don't do that well

as well as they do. But I try to give out information that's important work on issues that are

important. Medical freedom is not just a matter of being able to get rid of vaccine mandates. It's

much broader than that. We have to stop the medical surveillance date. We have to stop the broad

surveillance date. And ironically, this is the type of issue. There are tough issues

that the public is brainwashed. This is not one of them. Honestly, no one wants this.

Most people like their privacy, and this is what a new party. Soul and soil, land, liberty,

privacy, God, okay, currency, gold. This is where it's at. Once again, press one for Spanish,

press two for a new party. Until tomorrow, God bless y'all. Thank you for listening.

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