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Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and happy Friday.

So great. Are you getting nicer weather where you are? It's getting

nice here in the Northeast. We had a 70 degree day yesterday, which is just incredible,

such a gift, and then the Lord take it the way tomorrow. It's going back to like 30.

But I enjoy, I enjoy just the breakthrough, right? It's like the people who joke online about how

like they're like, I don't have seasonal depression. And then you know, skipping through the

fields as soon as we hit 60, that yeah, I feel it too. In any event, we've got breaking news

this morning to bring to you on Iran plus more attacks on conservatives. I mean, the right wing

is ripping itself apart, really not helpful towards midterms or beyond. But first, new reports

of tensions between Israel and the United States as this war continues with no end in sight.

Axios News today reporting that Vice President JD Vance is expected to be the top U.S.

negotiator in potential peace talks between the Americans and the Iranians. As we've been

reporting, the Vice President has long been a skeptic of foreign interventions in general. And

we believe the Iran war in particular, the way Trump described it publicly was he was not as

enthusiastic as other members of the cabinet. He was enthusiastic, but not as enthusiastic. That's

how Trump put it. But I think we all know that JD Vance has been more part of the isolationist wing,

restrainer wing of the Republican Party. And I think he's handled this whole thing very well.

It would be a massive error to contradict the president or counterman the president publicly. He

is there to be supportive of the president. I felt that way about Kamala Harris when they made

her the the borders are like her job at that time was not to come out and say,

geez, Joe Biden has really screwed this up. But then when she ran for president and got asked by

the view of all places, is there anything you would have done differently? That was the time to say,

you know, the border wasn't great. That isn't exactly how I would have handled it,

but I understood why my boss did it that way. Whatever you defend the boss, but then you carve

your own lane. I think that's where it's going right now for JD because what we're hearing now is

first of all, JD Vance was chosen to do this negotiation because he's one of the only ones they

say would have credibility with the Iranians who will know what we know, which is he's more of

the restrainer when it comes to this board and was in favor of it. Secondly, they don't trust

Whitcoff and Kushner who were stringing them along as we were about to bomb them to smithereens.

So the word of our lead negotiators is no longer good. And then thirdly, there are reports today

that Axios bite from Axios that Israel is already objecting to Vance. Shocking, I'm shocked,

shocked because he's not pro-war enough. They're reporting that vice president Vance and the

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly had a tense phone call on Monday, Axios is

reporting this. And all I can think of is Vance in the White House and the Oval with Zelensky and

sort of how he put Zelensky in his place. It sounds like he just did that to BB Netanyahu.

The vice president allegedly pressed Netanyahu on his many rosy predictions to our president

about how this war would play out. Specifically, Vance calling Netanyahu out on the fact that there

seems to be no chance that a popular uprising will topple the regime as the prime minister of

Israel promised our president. So Netanyahu looking at him saying, what happened to your rosy

predictions about how the people were going to rise up in the street and see this regime change

thing through to the end. It didn't happen. Axios quoting an unnamed US source quote before the war,

BB really sold it to the president as being easy as regime change being a lot likelier than it was.

And the VP was clear-eyed about some of those statements. Well, good for him. It's delightful to

think about someone holding him to account for the lies he told that got us into this war.

Stop with that president Trump's decision. I'm aware, but someone talked him into it and those

people should be held to account. As this thing goes south, we need to know exactly who talked

him into it and what representations were made to convince the president that this was a good idea.

Who? Who specifically? The names we know are BB Netanyahu first and foremost,

Lindsey Graham, equally to blame. We know from the Wall Street Journal report that Mark

Teeson of Fox News and General Jack Keane were major advocates of the war, okay? Like those guys,

but they appeared to have been very wrong that this was a good idea. And we could keep going.

Mark Levin chief among them. He says now, oh, I wasn't me every night, every night on Fox News

out there urging the president to do this. And then he had a meeting with him in June where we know

he denies it now. We know he pushed him for this. Ben Ben Shapiro was out on his show every day

pushing this war. Like there were very prominent activists on the right who were practically frothing

at the mouth for this thing. And now that it's not only going poorly, but the president's poll numbers

are in a precipitous free fall. We'd love to see some accountability. Who? Who promised him what?

And this is a great start having the vice president speak directly to BB Netanyahu and say,

you promised regime change was going to be easy. You promised the Iranians were going to rise

up in the streets and see it through. That hasn't happened. And the United States is suffering as a

result. And the report is that the response by the Israelis to our vice president doing that was

to have a hit piece planted on JD Vance in an Israeli newspaper that is owned by American,

but Israel first mega donor Miriam Adelson. So the response is to start drip, drip, drip,

planning negative hit pieces on JD Vance. Good luck. Good luck with that. Okay.

Good luck. We'll see how that works out for you. Now related to that, we have to tell you about a

story that has not gotten much attention, but has massive implications about war in peace.

And what exactly we are fighting for in the Middle East. All right. This is no one's talking

about this. We're going to walk you through it. Last Thursday, March 19th, Prime Minister Netanyahu

held a press conference. NBC's Richard Angle, the network's long time chief foreign correspondent,

he knows his stuff, got to ask a question. Now this is the official Israeli government press

offices feed of that press conference. Listen to what went down. You're going to think

something happened with your audio feed from the Megan Kelly show. That's not that's not what's

happened at all. This is straight from the source and how it aired through this Israeli government

press office feed. Watch. Next question from Richard Angle from NBC News. Good to see you again.

Just hold on. He's he's clearly asking him a question, but there's no sound.

Netanyahu is listening. Angles. Well, I think we have concrete goals. How to do it? How do

it end up? We wanted, as I said, decimate the ballistic missile. What happened? Why do we get

part of the answer and no question? It's really not that helpful when you can't hear the question

the reporter asked. Well, they muted Richard Angle. They muted a member of the American press

at a press conference in the middle of the war. That's what the Israelis did.

Now the story didn't get any attention at the time, but on Wednesday, we heard from Richard

Angle himself on the Sky News podcast called the world with Richard Angle and Yalda Hakim.

And we got to see and hear the question. Many Americans do believe that Israel dragged the

United States in this war. It is now pulling the rest of the world along with it. How do you see

this ending? Well, I think we have concrete goals. How to do it? How to end it? We wanted, as I

said, decimate the ballistic missile program, which we're doing. Decimate the nuclear program,

which we're doing. This can art that we drag the United States into it is not just a can art.

It's ridiculous. How about that? So he brought up the widespread belief. It's not a belief.

It is a fact. It's a fact that Netanyahu talked Trump into joining this war and now is trying

to recruit even more countries into the conflict. And to make matters worse, Richard Angle had a

follow-up question and that did not make Netanyahu's handlers too happy either. Here's Angle explaining

what happened next. After I asked my question, the handlers, they took the microphone away from me

and I was, well, not done yet. I didn't exactly ask, however, why the Israel's, no, no, I think I

only heard it. This is a serious subject. This is a serious question. Well, you don't have

a lot of time. This is a war and peace here. Of course, there are oil fields around the world

that are burning. Gas prices are going up. The war is popular here in Israel. It is not popular

with many Americans. So my question was, how do you see this ending? Not why? Not even when?

What do you imagine the day after will look like? Well, we have achievable goals in order to have

the flow of oil. Just have oil pipelines going west through the Arabian Peninsula right up to

Israel right up to our Mediterranean ports and you've just done away with the choke points for

forever. That is definitely possible. This is unbelievable, but totally believable. I mean,

this is the obvious media manipulation by the Israelis and you should not trust what they say.

You should not trust what they're putting out. Obviously, they are lying and manipulating

the American press. Imagine what they do to their own press in order to make sure Netanyahu

looks good and the attempts by the American reporters to hold him to account

aren't seen by a wider audience. Do you really find it so hard to believe that they dropped a

hit piece on JD Vance after he confronted Netanyahu directly about his rosy promises that are not

coming true as American soldiers die. This is like this is prov to ask type shit. Jesse Kelly is

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All right, Jesse, great to see you. I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. An Israeli prime minister

who interferes in our foreign policy to get us to join him in this war. Then when an American

reporter asks him about it, says many Americans do believe Israel dragged the US into the war

and is now putting the rest of the world along, pulling the rest of the world along with it.

How do you see this ending? It disappears. It magically disappears thanks to the Israeli

government press office muting him your thoughts on it. Well, sorry to filibuster as I often do

when you have me on Megan and thank you for having me back, but my thoughts on it are this. I

think a lot of people are ignoring or not just acknowledging a very practical reality of both

this war and so many wars throughout human history and that practical reality is allies are often

allies during a war because they share a common enemy and oftentimes all the time allies do not

share the same end goal in said war because they are allied up to a point and then after that point

they see different endings in it. You could go through any war, I mean ancient times, any war

throughout history where you have these allegiances and that's what happens here. The United States

of America hates Iran. Iran hates America. Israel hates Iran. Iran hates Israel. We are allied with

Israel and the fact that we do not like Iran. We wanted the mullahs out, all these other things.

We are allied in them up to that point. The Trump administration has to consider this. 66%

of Americans believe he is not focused enough domestically. The Trump administration is the Trump

administration because we want people who are not mega hard cores. The maha, people, young men who

are disaffected by the economy. Donald Trump won the popular vote because of those people. Not because

I voted for him. I was always voting for him anyway. Donald Trump is currently 60, 60, 60 points

underwater with the people who put him in the White House. Those are people angry about the economy.

60. If those numbers were the same, it would be President Kamala Harris. They don't think he's

focused enough domestically. Therefore, no matter what, we're in this now. Donald Trump needs

an off ramp. He has to get out and come home. All right. We killed the ayatollah. We blew up a

bunch of Iranians. Sounds good. Screw those scumbags anyway. The political reality is he must stop

this and come home and he knows it. He's not some moron. He can read all the poll numbers. All

these people do all day is read poll numbers. He has to end it and come home. On the flip side,

Israel views this and they're probably very correct about this as their last and best shot

at getting rid of Iran, which has plagued them permanently. They don't view this as an option to

end it. They don't want to end it because they don't think they're ever going to get another shot

and they're probably right about that for a variety of reasons, which we can get into.

They're probably never going to get another shot like this with American big brother drop in

time of Hawks on Iran every single day. So we are allied up to a point. But if you're my neighbor,

Megan, you live right next door and the neighbor across the street keeps letting his dog poop in our

yard and we join together and we say what we're going to do is we're going to get our dogs to go poop

in his yard. Yeah, we'll be allies and then you say, well, yeah, then we'll burn his house down

with his family in it. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we were allies to a point. Now you're

taking it too far. The different end goals is what we're dealing with here.

Yes, well, well, but this is so I'm against this war as the audience knows, but I'm against it

for many reasons. Practically speaking, the political fallout from the war is front and center

in terms of long term problems for America because we cannot have, as you call them, the communists

return to power. And that's exactly what's about to happen. The polling for the president on the

Iran war is horrific. It is horrific by any measure. He keeps looking at the limited polling that

people who call themselves MAGA overwhelmingly approve of the war. That is no more than 30% of the

population. It's no more than 30% of the population. So he may have 92% of those people,

but it's no more than 30% of the population. We have 70 plus percent outside who are not MAGA,

who are very against this war. And they vote that you cannot win an election with just the people

describing themselves as MAGA, especially when Trump is not going to be on the ballot in 2028.

He's not going to be on the ballot in the midterms. So the MAGA faithful, what motivates them,

Donald Trump, he's not going to be on either of these ballots. And we've seen before that he

doesn't necessarily have the co-tails for other people who say they're in his mold to get them

over the line. You need Republican party support and independence to win elections. And that is

still a golden rule. So listen to Harry Enton describing President Trump and the approval on

the Iran war, stop for. When there was the slew of initial polls that came out, the Fox News

poll was the one initial poll that did not show that the war was unpopular. That has changed.

Trump has lost his one good poll when it comes to the Iran war because just take a look here.

Net approval rating of US military action in Iran. In early March, it broke even, right zero

points. What that essentially means is 50% approved, 50% disapproved. But down it goes, look at this now,

the net approval rating for the US military action in Iran, negative 16 points, just 42% of the

American public approve of it, 58% disapprove. So now we're looking at basically every single

poll in which the clear plurality or majority of Americans disapprove with the US military action in

Iran. Trump can no longer point to a poll that actually shows that among the general public at

large, that the American public actually approve of this military action. But look at Trump's

handling of it. It's even worse. Oh my, okay, Trump's net approval rating of Iran. Look at this

overall 28 points underwater. Very, very unpopular Donald Trump's actions are when it comes to

Iran. And look at those in the center of the electorate. Look at independence, whoo, negative 58

points, 58 points underwater. I mean, all right. So there's a couple ugly addendums all add to this.

And I'm sorry, it's just, it is ugly. It is what it is. First of all, we have to understand

anybody with two eyes and two ears can see just from what Harry just laid out for us.

This never goes up. Those numbers don't change direction. Every single day now, they get worse.

There is nothing in the world that could happen that will reverse those numbers. So every day,

but tomorrow we will wake up. They'll be worse than they are today. That's the trajectory of it.

That's one thing that's really, really ugly. Another part of it that's really ugly and this

may be the ugliest part. As I have explained on my show over and over and over again, whatever

you feel about this war, it has always been, has always been easy to start a war. If I decide I want

to have an argument with my wife, she says, hi, by the way, Megan, she loves you. If I decide,

I want to go home tonight, I have to work and have an argument with my wife. I can most definitely

do that. I've been married 19 years. That's quite easy. I can fire off an argument. But can I stop

that argument and get all lovey-dovey with her whenever I want? No. That's not how that works.

Because now we've got two parties. Now we're at war. She's offended. It's easy to go over there

with our military, our incredible military in our might and bomb the Iranians back to the Stone

Age. That is easy. Now companies are scared to send oil through the street of foremost.

Now there are minds. Now there are things outside of our control. Now that it has been started,

Donald Trump is on the highway. He needs an off ramp. He has to pee. But as someone who is

driven in Montana many, many times before I will tell you, there is not always an off ramp available

to you when you have to have one. Now there's a chance. We are stuck. He called for a ceasefire

now until April 6th. I'm going to back off these power plants where everyone's going to back off.

We're trying to work out a deal. He's got JD Vance burning up the phone lines over there. Let's work

out a deal. What if Iran decides they don't want a deal? Iran's military cannot defeat Donald

Trump in the United States military. The one weapon Iran has the most powerful weapon they have is

the one we cannot bomb. And that is the state of the United States economy. Iran knows it. They can

read poll numbers. The exact same way. Donald Trump knows it. Iran knows the longer Trump is here,

the less popular he is, the less popular who he is, the worse we get wiped out at the midterms,

the worse we get wiped out at the midterms, the more neutered Donald Trump and his administration

are for the final two years. Iran's greatest weapon is the United States economy and they have

deployed said weapon. That's a fact. And they're, they're making money in Iran right now. Before

the war, Iran was exporting 1.1 million barrels of oil at $47 a barrel. Right now they're exporting

1.5 million barrels of oil at $120 a barrel. Like Iran is actually making money because they've

taken over the state of Hormuz. They control it. The Saudi and the other countries in the Gulf are

not exporting their oil. But Iran is, Iran's letting its own ships go through and they're getting

their oil out. And now we, we seem to have a new goal in, in ending this war, which is we need

to open the straight of Hormuz. You mean the straight that was open before we began the bombing

campaign? I mean it was open. There was no problem with straight of Hormuz. Like it was fine.

The reason it's closed is because we decided to start a war. And this is the only thing these guys

can control and they know it and they're doing it rather effectively. And you can hear Trump's

frustration as he's like, NATO should get over there and help us. And NATO, the NATO countries

are like, we agreed to help defensively. If you get attacked by another country, you didn't,

we don't want part of this quagmire. We're out. And Trump is trying to guilt them into it and

it's not working. And then he says, you know, he's picking on random adversaries or random allies

of ours being like, how about you, you owe us, you owe us, you owe us, you can see him, he's getting

frustrated. But this is not something you can just double and triple and quadruple down on and

have the problem get better. Because Trump, as his frustration grows and he tries to guilt our

adversaries or allies into helping us and they're not, seems to be saying, all right, fine, we'll do

it. You efforts. And he's sending five to seven thousand troops are already there, Jesse.

It's five to seven thousand who arrived today. And now the Wall Street Journal reporting last

night that we've he's considering sending more than more than a minimum of 10,000 more. So now we're

talking about 17,000 American ground troops minimum that we may have over there. And let me give you

another statistic from the polling. Reuters did a poll eight days ago. You know what percentage of

the American people support a quote, major ground invasion by any standard five to 17,000 American

troops is a major ground invasion. Seven, seven percent of Americans would support a major ground

invasion. We cannot send five to 17,000 troops into Iran and ever win a Republican election again

for the next 10 to 20 years. We, he cannot do that. Everything he built, the entire coalition we

were all part of will be ruined. Well, when you laid it out, let's just put it in very simple

terms. Megan, the American right Donald Trump, the Trump administration, they have to decide whether

this war in Iran is worth the communist conquering every single branch of government again in the

United States of America, because that is the stakes of the game. Yes. I think it would be, I think

it would be worthy to remember what it was like four years under Joe Biden, 20 million foreign

barbarians brought in. They created an app on your phone. So foreigners can invade the United

States of America, the White House lit up in rainbow colors on and on and on and on down the list.

We go federal government pack full of transsexuals all the nightmare that was there. We have to decide,

look, the poll numbers don't lie. We are going to have to decide whether the war in Iran is worth

that again, because that very likely is a stakes of the game. I will again remind everybody that

Presidencies are one with coalitions, not with the hard cores. As much as we hard core Trump voters,

I'm a three time Trump voter myself, as much as we love to believe that we are everything. Trump has

94% approval with the, with the MAGA that that's always the case. Donald Trump could go out and

kick a puppy in central park and he would still have 94% approval with MAGA that is always the case.

He is not the president because of me. He is president because he very smartly

Rodin guys like RFK junior who doesn't even align with them on things. My wife is not a hard core

political person. Certainly not a hard core Donald Trump person. She is a hard core health freak with

the things in the foods and the health and all that. The second Donald Trump Rodin RFK junior,

my wife was ready to strap on a MAGA hat. That's co-building the coalition. Why did Donald Trump go

on these podcasts like Rogan and Theo Vaughan and all these other young men podcasts? Why? Because

non-political young men do listen to those podcasts and droves. Trump is a great interview. He sits

down. He's really talks about his family. He cracks a cup of funny jokes. Young men who are not

hard core MAGA voters came out in droves for Donald Trump. That's called adding to a coalition.

That's how you win the popular vote. Certainly as a Republican in the United States of America

these days. And those people every single poll shows are leaving us and they're leaving us because

they are unhappy with the United States economy and they do not feel like Donald Trump is focused

enough domestically. People get it as mad at me as they want about that. You can take your offense

and wipe your ear end with it. I don't care. I'm giving you a dose of reality. We have to wake up and

smell the roses. People cannot find a job. Their son, their daughter just graduated college. They

moved in back home. Manufacturing has not come back. Prices have not come down. Not that I'm blaming

others on Donald Trump by the way. But when these are the conditions in the United States of America,

you cannot be seen to be focusing everywhere else. If the neighbors yard has weeds all through it,

I may care a lot if things are fine in my house. But if my air conditioner just went on the fritz,

I have a leak in the ceiling. My fence fell down from a storm last night. I don't give a crap

about how many weeds the neighbor has. I got my own problems. The degree to which any society cares

about foreign lands is directly correlated to how happy they are at home. When Americans are happy

at home and satisfied at home, they are fine with some level of foreign adventuring.

When they are buried in credit card debt, working with second shift can't make ends meet. They

don't want to hear about Iran, the mullah, nuclear weapons, Israel, Ukraine, Russia, even

Venezuelans. They don't care about anything. They want a job, period.

Yeah, it's so true. I want to correct something I said earlier. Maga is not 30% of the country.

Maga's, Maga, the Republicans are 30% of the electorate, Republicans, and Maga's half of that.

So you've got 15% of the country who are Maga, who are completely in Donald Trump's corner.

It's like 92% favor the war in Iran because Donald Trump told them to. That's great. That's great

for Donald Trump. He can make himself feel terrific knowing that Maga is still with him.

But that does not win you an election, and he is losing support amongst the wider Republican

base by the second. As you point out, these numbers, the approval numbers on the war don't tend

to go up. And there's not going to be some big moment, like at the end of World War II, where

the Japanese surrendered. And we had some moment where the troops came home and the girls kissed them

in the middle of Times Square. That's not how this one's going to go. The Iranians do have

a meaningful hand to play and they're playing it. They have their own demands that they want now,

including reparations. Of course, they want us out of their country. They may give us some things

on like not enriching uranium. They were reportedly already going to give those to us when we bombed

them. You know, the Middle East observers of the negotiations that Kushner and Wikoff were doing

with the Iranian emissaries said that we were actually making progress, that the Iranians were

giving and taking in the way that a negotiation goes when we dropped our bombs on them. And so now

we found some somebody eighth in line to power who says, okay, we'll still have that discussion,

but we're pissed now. And we're not going to give you everything. So we're not in a better position.

We're not in a better position than we were. And now we have 13 US service personnel dead.

And we're going to have more. If we send five to 17,000 ground troops into Iran this weekend,

in the coming weeks, we are going to have more dead service personnel. And for what? For what?

That does not make those numbers go up. People do not like to see it. They don't like to see it.

Even when we've been attacked, like post 9-11, but they'll stomach it when we've been attacked.

But we haven't been attacked. And they know that. And I'm sorry, like, it's not just Ben Shapiro's fault,

but I am going to show you something that Ben Shapiro is out there saying because it's insane.

He, the way he's talking about our troops and he's not the only one, Mark Levin too.

He talks about like the gas prices. Like, so what? Fucking, you're going to have to pay another

50 cents a gallon. By the way, it's more than that. It's already up with a dollar a gallon

in order to stop from Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. You do it. Oh, easy for you to say,

you're a multi-millionaire. And by the way, no one believes that we were about to get bombed by

a nuke by Iran. But here's Ben Shapiro talking about our troops. You, you served.

You understand the sacrifice that our troops make and the risk they take when they sign up.

I would submit to the jury. It is not to die in a war for Israel. But here's Ben Shapiro talking

about it. And also Americans are not dumb. We don't believe that if you're involved in military

activity, you're not going to lose anybody because again, if necessary military activity can only

be pursued at zero cost, there's no use in having a military. Literally, the point of a military

is should you hard and dangerous things. That's why our military members are heroes.

And during Vietnam, the Viet Cong counted on the idea that Americans would get tired,

that Americans would get bored. And after a while, they were right. Americans did get tired.

After a while, they'll write Americans did want out. We should know that there were 50,000

American dead by that point. In Iraq and Afghanistan too, reality is that there is no way to extricate

ourselves from this situation right now. There's no way to extricate ourselves from this situation by

simply running away. That does not leave Iran in control of the straight of Hormuz, which means

100 to 150 dollar barrels of oil from here to forever. And here's the thing. Once we get to the end

of this, if the Iranian regime falls, energy will become cheap again because the straight of Hormuz

will be free again. I'm sorry, but that's sustainable. Megan, people always point out the Vietnam

and the Viet Cong and things like that. And Americans got tired. But here's the reality of it.

And I've read this in a million books. I've been told this personally by veterans. It is a fact.

And it is a fact that nobody likes. Certainly dudes don't like this. There is a political aspect

to every war, not just a military aspect. I'll give you a little example.

Rhodesia was once this heavenly country in the middle of Africa. Most prosperous country in

Africa really settled by England and run by these well to do great families. This is paradise

right in the middle of Africa. And they eventually got assaulted by communist sabbages on all sides.

Of course, backed by Jimmy Carter and other scumbags who won't go into the whole details of it.

But the Rhodesians were excellent fighters, incredible fighters. And they pulled off this amazing

mission where they went undercover across the border into an enemy base. They drove basically enemy

trucks into the enemy base. Drove up all the enemy soldiers surrounded them on the parade ground.

And then they opened up with heavy machine guns and just butchered all them turned around and

took off and didn't lose a man. It's one of the most amazing daring, brilliant military actions

I have ever heard of or read about in my entire life. And to this day, you can talk to men who

fought in the Rhodesian war who will tell you that helped them lose the entire war because the images

of dead enemy soldiers slaughtered on the parade ground caused such an international incident

that Rhodesia's last ally in that war, the last ally they had left that was South Africa decided

to cut ties with Rhodesia, which cut the country off completely, which ended up having it fall

to the communists. And now it's in Bobway, one of the poorest biggest thumbs on the face of the planet.

There is a political and a military aspect to every single war in evil jima. But like I mentioned,

we talk about Vietnam, FDR. These people, the presidential administration at the time were

mortified that we had over 6,000 Marines die. This is at a time when Americans were uniquely

invested in this war because Americans were tired of it. This isn't an American thing. This is

every country ever has a limited amount, a very finite amount of caring for any war and then

they want it to stop. The truth is Americans, as you pointed out, do not feel emotionally

invested in this. They simply do not. I know the Trump administration tried. I know many different

people are trying, but no, okay, that may be true. I've no reason to call Donald Trump or Rubio

or anyone else a liar. They may have been 15 minutes away from a nuke that did not sell with

the American people. The poll numbers bear that out. Politically, this is absolute suicide.

Again, we can argue all day long, the choice is very, very simple. Is the Iran war worth handing

the United States of America's government back over to the gay race communists because that is

the choice we are currently making. It's happening. There have been I think 15 special elections for

these state house races that have been happening over the past year. The Republicans have not won

any of them. They've all gone blue in jurisdictions that were heavily read that had gone for Donald

Trump by somewhat 19 points than the latest one down in Florida or between 11 and 19. I can't

remember the specific number in Florida, but I saw the list and there were many that had gone 19

Republican that have now swung blue. This is a terrible harbinger for things to come in these

midterms. There are serious political pundits now predicting the Republicans genuinely may lose the

Senate in addition to the House. Yeah, and now and what does that do in terms of the Republican

positioning on the Senate in 28 when they have more seats that are so we weren't supposed to lose

the Senate Republicans in this midterm election. That was not supposed to happen at all,

but now they're seriously talking about it like it might. But then the next election in 28,

where there's a presidential race on the line as well, the Republicans are more exposed.

So I mean, now you're now we're on route on route to a what a 60, a 60 seat Democrat majority.

Do you know what that is? That's a fucking nightmare because the Democrats could actually win

the White House too with these approval numbers. President Trump's approval numbers are in the

basement. They're the lowest that they have been and it's it is the economy first and foremost

that's dragging him down and now the Iran war. And by the way, he's lost his panics too. He's the

entire coalition that put him over the top is falling apart as as you point out that Joe Rogan's come

out against the war. Dave Smith is hardcore against Trump right now and has been for a while.

A comic who's brilliant. The Ovan came out against it. He lost comedian Andrew Schultz on whose

podcast he made a lot of friends a while ago. Sean Ryan has same against it now very strongly.

This is a coalition that the young men of America very much listened to and young people are

completely against this war. Even in the Republican party, the latest poll that just came out with

from Pew showed the net approval among Republicans 18 to 29 year old Republicans are against the war

by a margin of minus two. So net net they're against. It's not by a huge margin, but they are

against as young Republicans. The next set up 30 to 49 year olds, they're they're for it,

but only by 20 point margin. And then when you get to the older people 50 and up, it goes up. So

it's older Republicans who support this war and it's only older Republicans who support the war.

Only that the independence are overwhelmingly against it as you heard Harry Anton talk about

Democrats are united against it because for their own reasons and look at the numbers for his

panics. Let me show you because that's another part of the Trump coalition, right? You had the young

people. You had a greater number of black voters. You had men. Harry Anton did a thing the other day

showing men are against this young men in particular, completely against this war and look at hispanics.

Fox News did a poll. The Trump net approval rating dropped 40 points among hispanics in the

new Fox poll in just December. In just December, the Hispanic approval of Trump was it was 48%

approved, 52% disapprove, right? So he was four points underwater. Now March 20 to 23rd approval

has gone from 48% to 28%. Disapproval 72% instead of a net negative of four, he's now at a net

negative of 44 with hispanics. This is a Fox News poll that broadening out to overall, not just

Hispanics, the entire electorate. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump's handling Iran?

Approved 36% disapprove 64%. How concerned are you about gas prices? Not concerned 20.

Concerned 80% and then there's Mark Levin. Here's a poll question. No media outlet asks. Would you

prefer that the Iranian regime launches nuclear missiles at our country or paying 50 cents more

a gallon for gasoline? Jesse, if they go with that Mark Levin approach between now November and

thereafter, then they deserve the giant effing they're going to get. You know, Megan, I go back and

forth on this because you laid out all the numbers and the numbers they are what they are.

I have these moments where I say to myself, you know what? If we get wiped out November because of

this, we've friggin earned it. No, when Donald Trump gets impeached every other week,

he signed up for it. But then I remember that there's a lot more at stake than me and my anger and

petty grievances and things like that. My children, I have two teenage boys. I don't want them to live

in a communist one country. Lord Billion, they will get married one day and have children.

We have huge things at stake here at home and fighting our domestic enemy has to be everything.

And we need to continue to stress that it's not just the economy. It's not just Iran. These

issues are linked for people. They are linked for people. The part of the reason people are so

unhappy economically just so everyone completely understands this is pre-COVID. People were richer

that we hadn't had this rampant inflation. Pre-COVID people remembered what it was like. People remember

today what it was like to be able to afford to take your family out to Applebee's on a Friday night.

They remembered what it was like to be able to go to the beach once a year on vacation fancy or

not. They remembered what it was like when life was better because it was so recent. Americans are

poorer and they remember when they were richer and when you were richer five years ago,

before we shut down an economy for a bad chest cold and printed seven trillion dollars,

when you remember what it was like to be richer and now you're poorer, you don't want to hear

about Iran and nuclear weapons. You don't give a crap. You don't care about Russia, Ukraine.

This is why it fell so flat when Joe Biden tried to sell it all the time with his buddy Mitch McConnell,

the most important thing in the world as you're crying right now. You know why that never landed?

They kept selling it every single press conference and leading up to the election of Kamala Harris

versus Donald Trump. Ukraine was somewhere below gendered awards on the popularity of things.

Why was that the case? Why was it the case? Because you don't hear about anything. It's not the

righteousness of the cause. It's not that it's good or bad. When things are bad at home and you

remember Applebee's and you haven't been there in three months because you're on your second

shift and your wife had to go back to work, you don't want to hear about foreign affairs.

And I'll tell you what, if the GOP plan is to run ads in the midterms telling people,

well, two weeks away from a nuclear weapon, oh my gosh, we are going to be annihilated,

but you know what'll be comforting after we lose 60 seats in the House of Representatives,

the next morning we can all wake up and say, but 94% of Merkel was with us. That'll take us far.

Yeah, and also, you know, 50% more in gas. I mean, really, who might it complain? I sacrificed

for my country. Honestly, like the nerve of this guy, Mark Levin has been making millions of

dollars off of his radio show and his Fox News gig for years now. This is a true let them

eat cake type moment. By the way, it's not 50 cents. It's not. It's a dollar more per gas

and it's more than that for diesel. And it's only going in one direction. You know, we reported

this morning on our morning update show that the Trump administration is reportedly game planning

what happens in the US economy if the price per barrel of oil goes above $200, 200. The administration

denies that. Okay, but it's a reliable report. $200 about like if it goes and you're already

having very smart oil and gas analysts say there's only one direction that this is going and it's

we haven't felt the full effect a full effect of what's happening in the oil market and the energy

market yet. We're only feeling the initial tremors that the full pain will come just in time

for summer vacations. And the trip you were going to take with your family

cross country in the station wagon to the Grand Canyon. Gas prices trust me as a newswoman

every year. I've been doing this 24 years now. Gas prices in the summer are always,

always a news item. They always seem to go up. People always feel the pain then they start

looking at the gas prices more than ever. They're driving more than ever. And if this thing is

actually going to hit most over the course of the summer, this energy crisis that we've created

two months before they actually vote for the midterms Jesse. I don't know where this could go.

So Trump. He is brilliant. Trump is a political genius. That's that hasn't changed. He's been dazzled.

I think by some smooth talkers into believing this thing could have been quick and just like Venezuela

and he could sort of feel like Captain America and that's not what's happening. So now he's off

loading the get us out of this thing to JD Vance. That's yay. That's good. Thumbs up on that.

And what I think what happened what needs to happen right now while JD does his job

is no one should be able to talk Trump into fucking 17,000 ground troops. Like

that can't have 5,000 can't happen. We should not shed another drop of American blood

on the oil fields of Iran because all these numbers get worse as soon as we do.

And by the way, he's already, you know, as we point out, he's losing men.

He already lost women. He has very few women who are voting for him, but I guarantee you

as more American men and women die over there in Iran, the few women he has are going to start

to dwindle too because women do not like American casualties at all. I mean, that's another thing I

know from my 20 years at Fox and then even it's such a shit show. And here's part of the problem

is the media, right? Because if you are a Republican who still watches television news,

all you watch is Fox Jesse. That's all you watch. And you will not find a dissenting voice on Fox

news. Can we get the Wilkins out over here? I love Wilkain. You know, the one we never ran with

General Keen. I love Wilkain and he's an honest broker. But he's the only one who's like,

tried to like ask a couple skeptical questions like, this isn't great. Everybody

else is cheerleading the war. So Republican voters who are older voters, but they are the ones

who actually go to the polls. All think it's going swimmingly. That's what they believe because

that's what they're being told every night by Sean Hannity. I mean, his show is full propaganda

with Lindsey Graham every night. Tom Cotton, you know, all these big cheerleaders for the war.

And then you've got like, let me know when we have it. Like the one time one guy tried to ask a

dissenting question. He got his hand slapped by General Jack Keen, who I also really, I love

General Keen, but he's, you know, we show the hammer, the nail. What is it ever to a hammer,

everything's a nail. Of course, he's in favor of this action. And to me, it's just evidence

of the media problem we're having. When you look at the Republican numbers, we have this side.

Here it is. Look what you're having. You know, I think the objectives are pretty clear.

Hexas just secretary just laid it out. The president is laid it out and the secretary of state

is laid it out. The objective is to prevent this regime from having a capability to continue to

attack us. And, and, and we don't retaliate, but this president is not going to let this happen

again. So that is the mission here. It's pretty clear. Well, it's not 100% clear to me, General.

And that's not to suggest that I don't support 100% what is happening. Nor that I 100%

offer my support. I just think I want to ask a couple of critical questions. And I hope you know

how much respect I have for your service. And I think it goes without saying to anybody watching

how much respect I have for the men making's decision. You don't have to patronize me. Just ask

the question. Go ahead. Come on, ask it. To be clear, General, I'm not patronizing you.

I'm trying to have a very serious conversation in front of the American people. The men making

these decisions have my utmost respect. And this is less about you than everybody making these

decisions. And this is about the American people understanding the investment that lies before

them. I just want to say two things. I like both of those guys a lot. General Jack Keen is

fucking badass. Like he's, he is a grizzled, you know, general there. Like he's, I love him.

I've talked to him 10,000 times on my shows on Fox. And I respect him. And I love Wilkane.

I think he's actually one of the greatest things Fox has right now. But the fact that he felt so

uncomfortable, challenging General Keen on that question tells you everything you need to know

about the dynamic inside Fox. Because Wil is not a coward. Wil is actually quite strong. But he

knew he was on thin ice going there because the bosses would not like this. And by the way,

my information is that they didn't, they didn't like it. And Jack Keen was kind of fun because he's

sped it out, son, you know, which is this grizzled general doesn't like something. I appreciate

the dynamic there. But to me, this is all hashtag part of the problem for that record. This

happened the first day of the war that Monday after the bombing your thoughts. My thoughts are that

it's a little bit concerning that the American people have such a difficult time now finding

just actual news sources that can deliver them all sides of everything. Because you're 100%

right about how the coverage has been. If it's if all that person is hearing every single show,

every single day, all day long about how everything's perfect, everything's perfect, everything's

perfect. Well, okay, what happens if April 6 comes and God forbid, I'm going to bank on Trump's

deal making ability. What happens if April 6 comes and Iran, Iran doesn't make a deal because

let's let's talk about something, Megan, something we touched on a little earlier, but there's

another part to this. We talked about how two allies, where at least I did, I don't want to put

words in your mouth. Two allies can share a common enemy, but not necessarily the same end goal. Okay,

we got that. Israel wants complete annihilation of Iran. Understandably, that's not good for us.

We got that. What if Iran doesn't want us to leave now either? They've already lost the

Ayatollah. They've already lost all their leadership. They're wounding deeply the man they

had tried to kill by the way. They did try to assassinate Donald Trump. Now they're wounding him

politically, which they couldn't do physically. They've already lost the Ayatollah. What if Iran

doesn't want to make a deal? So now, this is United States, Israel, and Iran, and two-thirds of the

coalition doesn't want to make a deal. Well, what are those people watching Fox every night hearing

how great things are going to go? What's going to happen if April 6 comes and we're stuck there?

As I mentioned earlier, your off ramps can be hard to find. All right, Jesse stays with us.

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They're desperately trying to hold onto their relevance and they're very, very dwindling audiences.

And what they're doing in order to do that is very amusing. And we need a little amusement.

It's damn Friday. We had a fiery first hour that was kind of depressing, but real.

And we're having it while there's still time to save the Republican Party.

But we need some levity, which brings me to CNN. Now, CNN's ratings are in the toilet.

I mean, truly, they're terrible. Their overall numbers are like half a million.

That's the overall, not the key demo, which is going to be lower, but more relevant for

advertising purposes. Their key demo numbers are like 100,000. But the overall numbers are like

in the 400,000s. It's terrible. So they're doing a lot of desperate things. We reported earlier

this week that they tried to make Anderson Cooper look like Edward R. Murrow slash a podcast

a radio host by telling him to roll up his sleeves and to undo the top button, Jesse, to undo

the top button while still wearing the tie. It's a look. And it's a sit in front of like a big

podcasting or radio type microphone. Okay. Then they had Jake Tapper move his program to inside his

office where you have all people. I'd love to get your take on this. But he's peppered his walls

with only pictures of losers, losing candidates in political races. No winner makes the wall.

That's his inspo to surround himself with losers all day, every day. Okay. So far I haven't seen

any ratings boost over at CNN. And now so they're trying to go low tech that we showed the audience

early this week. Have on Anderson Cooper show they took a map of Iran. They just put it out on

his desk and then took an overhead shot of like the physical map as opposed to using the big giant

CNN technology that they have for, you know, election night. They've got all sorts of LED screens

that they could they didn't do that. They went low tech. We're low tech like the podcasters now.

We're authentic. We're we're scrappy. Now they're going high tech again by trying to pipe in the

voice of the guy directing the show, this the tech director in telling the anchors and the hosts

where to go for the next shot and what camera shots we're going to be taking. Listen to the latest

attempt. This happened on Aaron Burnett's show between the A block to the B.

All right. Let's set for the B block. Get their clear. Let's move the kernel and Aaron to the

magical breaks one and four separate break master in three two effect for your break, please.

All right. Let me let me tell you a couple first. They don't know who they are. They're having

an identity crisis. We're low tech. We're high tech. You know, we're we're we're CNN. We've

got all these resources around the world. That's what they front when they promote themselves like

the global anchors from every single country. Oh no, we're we're we're very we're just like you

we roll up our sleeves and we undo our button because it's it's uncomfortable if we don't

and it reminded me we did this during the Commonwealth Harris campaign of the infamous Sally roll

Sally fields roll of civil. This is who CNN really is. No, you keep my weight for me. I will

I will I won't do it. I won't do it. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. I just love you today.

Bochla the bad guy around the neck. Just tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle and tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle

paper is valuable paper is valuable. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's valuable. It's valuable.

You can see. No. Welcome to CNN. They have no idea who they are or what they want to be Jesse

Kelly. Well, they're they're having a crisis that many many different American companies have had

to go through that many American companies companies throughout history have had to go through

this that for a time you basically have your customers held captive because you're one of the

only ones selling what the customer wants to consume. So for so many years, the mainstream media

outlets in this country, look, we don't even have to go to ancient history 1990. If I if I'm a regular

Joe and I get home from work and I want to catch up on the news, I can read the news paper that they

dropped off on my driveway. They used to do that. I know I'm aging myself here or I can sit down and

I have like four channels. I can tune in tune watch for 15 minutes and then I will be given the

news, given the news. And so all these people, all these organizations, they got so used to being

able to simply talk down to people because you didn't have anywhere else to go. If you wanted to

know what was going on in the world, there was no, I mean, there's no smartphone, right? There's

no internet. There's no nothing. There's no social media. There's no podcast world. You'll have to

sit and watch me. And so years and years and years of getting used to just talking down to people

and now we are in the age where everybody has options, everyone has options. I mean, so grateful

for everybody listening, watching the Megan Kelly show right now. Why? Because everybody,

you can be listening to jazz music. You got eight million options sitting here on your phone,

and you could be you could be anywhere you want to be. You choose to be here. And it's all on

demand now. So to make that adjustment from talking down to people instead of actually talking

to people like a normal human being, that is a very, very, very difficult thing. It's difficult

to go from being king to one of the country side peasants. And so you mentioned identity crisis.

I find it to be hilarious that Jay Tappers now surrounded by losers. He's been surrounded by

losers. He works at CNN. That's his entire life. He's been surrounded by losers. You have to

be authentic now. That is where the people are trying to be king still where there's three

news outlets in your world for Cronkart and 10 million Americans watch you. But those things

are gone. There will never be another one because there are too many options. The only thing you can

do now is be you and whatever field you're in CNN, this show that podcast that doesn't matter what

it is. You just have to be you and the people who like that will listen and watch. And the ones

who don't, they have too many options. They're going to leave you. If you're trying to be something

you're not Anderson Cooper with his own button shared that if you're trying to be something you're

not, that's going to lose you way more people than you would have gained otherwise. Authenticity is

the only thing you have to sell now if you want to do what we do for a living. And unfortunately,

for a lot of those characters over there, the authentic them is even worse than to fake them.

So that it's actually not going to work for them. But here's the funny thing to me.

So yeah, they're having the identity crisis, the multiple personalities like Sible. But I mean,

I have a note for CNN. I have some free, a pro tip, if you will. The problem in getting ratings

for you, CNN, is not that your technical director cannot be heard over the airwaves telling this

guest to move in front of that screen during the A to B block. The problem is not that the anchors

are literally too buttoned up or broadcasting from the sets that you've built them instead of

from their offices. The problem is the content clips like this one.

Last week on this show, a guest shocked the table by arguing in part that slavery in America can't

just be blamed on one race. And that museum's put too much focus on the role of white people

who participated in that terrible institution. And now tonight, that same argument is being

pushed by the president of the United States. Donald Trump says that one of the reasons for his

crackdown on Smithsonian museums is, quote, everything discussed is how bad slavery was.

It's important to say objectively. Slavery was indeed bad. It was evil. And it is impossible

to understand the two history. You get to just, and she keeps lecturing us

in her little pantsuit. That's the problem, Jesse.

Oh, you nailed it. It goes back to what I was just saying. They're used to you having to sit

there. Megan, you don't have anywhere else to go. You sit there and you let me lecture.

You let me scold you about how bad your country sucks and you suck and you can't go anywhere.

You don't have any options. You sit there and take it. And then they watch the ratings go down.

She don't have to sit there and take it anymore. And this stuff is such a turn off for so many people.

They're tired of being scolded. They're tired of being lectured. Hold about how bad the country

sucks. And so they're changing the channel. But then these, these organizations, as you mentioned,

their authentic cells are terrible. What does that have you fill up? I think her name is.

That's who she is. She's an awful human being. She's an America hating awful human being.

She believes that the United States of America sucks. That white people suck. That all this is

evil. And she believes that she should be able to scold you without end about those things.

And if you ask her, hey, Abby, could you, could you tone that down a little bit?

Abby, the numbers aren't there. People were, people were changing the channel.

Can you tone that down? Well, now she's lying because that's who she actually is.

That's her being authentic. Authentically, she's horrible. So you can't have that.

But you can't have her lying because then people will sniff that out. So that's it. It's

asked you. You're better off just being a jerk like I am.

Yes, I agree. Wholeheartedly endorse the Jesse Kelly approach to broadcasting.

It's not going any better over at CBS where oh my god, we told the audience about this earlier.

So they, they're under new ownership and the new ownership, I guess, thought that they were

going to somehow magically save this thinking ship that is corporate media. It's failing.

They brought in Barry Weiss. This is nothing personal against Barry, but she never had any shot.

She not only could no one do it, but Barry really can't do it because she doesn't know

shit about broadcast news. She literally has never done it before. And I'm sure that the

Ellison's thought, oh, how complicated can it be? We'll figure it out. No, there actually is

something to the broadcast piece of broadcast journalism. And by the way, not for nothing,

but it's what Roger Ailes understood and no one else did, which is why Fox News

became number one within a couple of years after launching because he understood it's a visual

medium and how to make the screen dazzling and how to make it so that people couldn't turn away

and how to get in and up up and down on a story and use the television to communicate.

And there are all sorts of nuances to it, which, you know, if I had a longer time,

I could watch the audience all through. But some of it you just experienced here on this program,

because I understand how to make the screen relate to what the anchor saying without even knowing

that the host is doing it. It's just sort of we call it like cool water. You're just kind of

enjoying the broadcast. You don't know why. And Barry White says, no, how to do it. She doesn't

know how to do it. She's never done that in broadcasting before. It's not her fault. But her

bosses should have thought it through before putting this problem in her lap. And here's what's

happened. The CBS evening news, which was job number one when the new ownership took over and

Barry was sent in. They they overhauled it. They fired the two anchors who were there,

Maurice Du Bois and the other guy who's John Dickerson, because they were very terrified that they

were sometimes dipping below four million on this is the flagship property of CBS news. And

they were like, you got to go. Well, not only now is this Tony Dockapult regularly falling

below four million, but Oliver Darcy. He's a media reporter. His his sub stack reports that CBS

evening news is evening news with Tony Dockapult is on track for its lowest rated first quarter

in the 21st century in in the last century in total viewers and the advertiser coveted 25 to 54

year old demographics. So we're talking in 26 years. This will be the worst first quarter

that show has ever seen. Okay, how's the morning show doing? Because you can still pay the bills

if that things a jug or not. CBS mornings is pacing toward the lowest rated quarter

on record. The lowest rated quarter ever in total audience and the key demo. Both are on track for

epically record bad quarters. And on top of that, there is no faith. He goes on to report in

Barry Weiss. She's fractured the trust amongst herself and the executive or the the producing

executives, the talent and so on. And you tell me whether this is a ship that can or should

be raised from the bottom of the ocean. You know, Megan, I'm not changing the subject. That's

where I'm going somewhere with this. But I actually had a conversation because we were just talking

about CNN at a conversation with a friend one time inside of CNN. And he was talking about their

identity crisis and similar to what we were just saying. And I of course told him, well,

you can't filter every show and everything through the lens of, you know, the communist propaganda

in America sucks and things like that. You you can't do that. You have to give some sort of

an alternate perspective. Otherwise, you're going to narrow yourself down to only so many people.

He didn't argue with me. But what he said to me, Megan was, yes, Jesse, I agree. But any time

we've attempted to do that, what happens is the second we stray in inch away from the communist

revolution propaganda that we do all the time, then we lose the viewers we have. Then you've lost

the viewers you had because the audience has been baked in. If you are a regular CNN viewer,

you expect to see the communist revolution all day every day. And if there's ever any deviance

from that, you will change the channel, you'll email in, you'll complain, you'll go find a

different communist revolution channel. Now you're watching it happen at CBS, where the rumors

where I don't know were that Barry Barry, whatever name is that she was trying to make it at least

somewhat more middle of the road. Well, CBS had been spewing commie propaganda for so long. They had

tempered their audience down to being communist revolution types. And they don't want to see

middle of the road. They don't want to see any kind of an alternate perspective. If you're

stringing and in string that the viewers you use to have, they're going to leave and they'll go

find different commie propaganda. It really looked, they made all these channels made their own bed.

And I don't feel announce a sympathy for any of them screw them all. I hate them. But they made

the bed and now they're sleeping in it. If you're anchor of choice, your news of choice is

Scott Pelley, Gail King, Margaret Brennan. And you know, this CBS evening news whoever was in

there, Nora O'Donnell, etc. You do not want fair and balanced news. And by the way, Barry doesn't

like Trump. I mean, she's not a Trump supporter. She's not a Republican. She's just not woke.

She's not a woke person. So she's trying, I think on the order of the Ellison's to be

slightly more fair to Trump, although there's, it's not working. That's not working either.

Trust me, I've seen enough on CBS to know that that bias is not

erasable. So their audience doesn't want that. Like none of those people wants to watch more

fair and balanced news. And if you are a Republican, as I started this discussion with,

you are not going to go watch CBS because here and there at the edges, they've been marginally

more fair to Republicans. You're just going to stay with Fox. If you're, if you're like TV

news, you're just going to stay with the one that actually understands you and doesn't hate Trump,

by the way. So it was just Fox. So it's, it's not going to work. It's, it was doomed to fail

from the start. I had said when Barry took over that they were going to eat her alive from the

inside. And that's what's happening. She doesn't have the support of the troops inside. She's not

going to, this is not an experiment that's going to work out. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

And that's not to say anything of Topra Doka pool. It was still crying in the anchor chair

every other day trying to get, get us to watch him because he's got a softer side unlike my friend

Jesse Kelly. He's, did I ever ask you about the crying? Did you and I ever talk about that? Oh, no.

I, we, I didn't show you this clip. This is, he tweeted this out. He tweeted this out, Jesse,

to try to show us who he is as he took over the CBS evening news. Watch.

You said this is your favorite place in the world. Why? Why South Florida and Miami?

Well, it makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean anything to catch it. You know,

because you only have one child, right? So, we get a second here. I can relate. This is home.

People will, to help people understand why I have such a reaction.

Oh my god. Can't stop wiping his eyes. Florida is where I grew up.

We didn't get a lot of sleep, so my grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles,

cousins. And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood, but we left.

Because my father got in trouble with business. It's like, we laugh about it now, but he was a drug

dealer. But the reason it's so emotional for me is because I feel like I was robbed at the full

Miami experience. So when I come back, I'm always like,

Jesse. Well, first of all, Megan, his father was a drug dealer, I believe he said. So I believe

that is, in fact, the full Miami experience. That is one. Maybe I just had a different father.

And it's not that men should never cry, but it should be reserved for, you know,

watching old Yeller and things like that. The fact that this has become currency with men.

That's a woman thing. That's what women do. And that's fine. I understand that. But men are so

anxious to become women now in this country, instead of just embracing being a freaking man,

that now they'll stand in front of you. And I don't even know if those tears were real. It didn't

even look like it was crying. I don't know what would be worse. If those were real worse, or that if

you thought that they had to fake tears in order to create some sort of emotional responsive people,

I'm so sad. I didn't have the purposes that my grandma used to make. And whatever he was whining

about in that freaking video, it's, I find it to be incredibly embarrassing. These men who try to

be women in order to appeal to, I mean, I don't know what they think that appeals to. There's no

woman worth of crap who finds that appealing. Of any man who's worth his salt finds that

completely revolting. I think my T-levels dropped about 300 points just watching that clip. It's

just the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life. And this, this feminized male population

in this country now absolutely floors. And it's killing us. It's guys like that that are killing us.

And there's no audience for it. Speaking of no audience, like I said, the only people who want to see

that crap are mentally ill, single women on Xanax. Those are the only people in the United States

of America who find that particular type of man appealing whatsoever. I'd all never understand it.

Yes. I totally agree with you. I feel like it's revolting as a woman. And I feel like if I were a

man, you could probably feel your balls shrinking as you watch that. Like you say, like the testosterone

actually leaving your body. And yet like they tweeted it out, CBS tweeted it out. He clearly

blessed it. He wanted us to see it. He wanted us. That's why I call him Topra instead of Tony.

He's like, let me show you my pain. And I said to the audience when this first broke, I was like,

he's telling the story and he's like crying, crying, crying uncontrollably. I'm like, how is

this story going to end? Like what the hell happened to the family in Miami? I'm like, I thought

for sure it was going to end and they all died in a house fire. It was horrific. But I learned to

fight again. It was they moved. They moved. I would love to. I miss my dad, Megan. I lost

somebody a year and a half ago. And he was one of these rough, tough construction guys. And I miss

him to death. And sometimes I mean, I miss him for a variety of reasons. But sometimes whenever

we would hang out, do something, I would take a video like that one. And I'd say, hey, dad,

hey, dad, I want you to look at this. Just speak. I should have filmed it. I wish I had recorded it

just to get his reaction on that kind of thing and to complete disgust and to stay like, you

didn't even understand it. And if he didn't, he didn't understand this world that we have now.

And I'll tell you what, I'm grateful for him. Yes, I know what you mean. Yeah, like,

they didn't even understand it. Like what? Like like my like Archie Bunker used to say,

hey, hey, I don't get it. Um, okay, there may be a 180 from Topor, Dukapal.

And you're going to have to walk me through this guy Dan Hurley because I didn't know him

by name prior to today. He's apparently the Yukon head basketball coach. But the reason I'm

teaming up sports for you, and you know, I don't really talk about sports unless I have to,

is he gave an interview. Apparently he's very known for being tough on his guys. Like,

tough love. He's not actually a jerk, but he's kind of a jerk, I guess, with them because that's

what he thinks works. And he's got a reputation along those lines. And he was explaining,

okay, first, which is the, when we need to start with, I'm trying to read here.

Okay, here are 17. This is why he, first he sits down at a pre-grain press conference on Thursday

and explains why he is the way he is with his guys. What do you think it says about the culture

that people see, you know, yelling or hard coaching and somehow think that's a problem?

Yeah, I just think that's, you know, society. I've gotten

soft in a lot of ways, I think, with, you know, with trying to develop young people. I think young

people, the teachers and coaches, that impact their lives the most, or not the teachers and coaches

that, like, gave them a grade, they didn't deserve. I mean, you remember the teachers and coaches

that pushed you to your maximum, you know, that pushed you beyond your comfort level that got the

most out of you. I feel like I got a responsibility, you know, I coach 18, 19, 20-year-old men.

There's a lot that I got to instill in them. There's a lot of discipline. There's a lot of

accountability. There's a lot of commitment that I've got to instill in them to prepare them for

the real world, the real world is tough. It's cruel. You got to be, you got to be equipped.

Isn't that amazing? And if you don't have a guy like Dan Hurley, whether it's a father,

a father figure, or a coach in your child's life, you wind up Topra Docapool putting up videos

of yourself crying so that people will take you seriously as an authority figure in the CBS

Evening News Chair. Yeah, that's how young men learn with pain and suffering. And people

don't like to talk about the acts. It does make people uncomfortable, but that's how young men

have always learned with pain and suffering. If you walk into Marine Corps boot camp, you will see

a lot of pain and suffering. Pain and suffering is how young men grow up. It's how you learn from

mistakes. When I told my son, I think he was 15 years old, that it was cold out and he better

go grab a sweatshirt. And in his 15 year old ways, he knew it all. And he said, no, dad, I'll be fine

on my t-shirt and shorts. And I sat there for two hours while we were outside as he shivered

and his teeth chattered and he was suffering. And I'm going to give him my sweatshirt. I certainly

could have. And instead the entire time I told him how warm I was. Man, it's nice to be in this sweatshirt.

And you know what, Megan? Not one time since then has he forgotten to check the weather and dress

appropriately because pain and suffering are how young men learn. And that makes people uncomfortable.

Of course, I understand it makes people uncomfortable, because you don't, because you love them,

right? You don't want it. You don't want to see people heard, but that's how young men have always

and we'll always learn. I cannot speak for young women. I'm not raising young women. I don't have

a lot of interaction with young women, but I know young men who I do know quite well learn through

pain and suffering and yelling and pushups and running stairs and being cold for a couple hours.

That's how you wake up and that's how you grow up and turn into a man who doesn't try on television

because daddy was a drug dealer and moved you out of Miami. Yeah, young women would not leave the

coat at home. That's pretty much a daughter. She takes the coat. So you have different problems

with girls, but they're not in that lane. I can totally relate to what you said. When we went to

Scandinavia, I got rain coats for all five of us. This is a couple of June's ago, because they say

in one day in Sweden or Norway or Denmark, that's where we went. Just in one day, you'll experience

all four seasons. You'll freeze your ass off, you'll sweat, you'll be snowed on potentially,

you'll be rained on. So I'm like, okay, everybody needs a raincoat. So I went and I got everybody

a raincoat. Now I put the raincoat in my young son's duffel bag that we were traveling with,

who is then 10, nine or 10, 10, I think. And the older two, I just gave it to them and they packed

it up. We get to Scandinavia. We got to Sweden. Sure enough, it's raining. It's pouring rain.

I'm like, we're ready. You know, I'm feeling proud of myself as a parent. I'm like,

everybody's got their raincoats. Let's go. And that shirt by youngest looks at me with like,

big eyes, like, I'm like, what do you mean? I know you have your raincoat. I bought it for you.

I put it in your duffel. He goes, I took it out. Why? Of course, him packing, he has like four

things. It's he had plenty of room for it. Like, why would he remove something I put in there?

He's like, I didn't think I'd need it. I'm like, what do you mean? You don't know anything about

this. The weather in Sweden. What do you mean? He's like, I'm fine. I don't need a raincoat.

Sure enough. I look at him. I was like, and now you will suffer. He looks at me with, I use

that word with the big silver dollar eyes. Like, oh my gosh. I'm like, let's go. And sure enough,

he got, he got a little wet that day, but yes, to your point. And to, and also to your point

about just being the parent of a boy. And I was like, what? They are, and it's always been this way.

You know, it's not just like these are American boys. It works the exact same way at any period

of time at any location on the planet. Young men, as they develop, they have to go through it.

By the way, it doesn't have to be military, right? It doesn't have to be a hard basketball coach or

football coach. There are many different ways to go through this. But young men have to go through

hard things in order to grow and develop into the kind of men that can actually lead, lead their

homes, lead a country, lead a company, lead anything. You must go through hard things. I've had

women multiple times, mothers, email my show and ask, hey, Jesse, you're confidence level when it

comes to really anything. How do I give that to my son? How do I give it to my son? Especially

yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. How do I give that to my son? You know, and it's a genuine question.

I have, I'm raising my mom, I'm raising a boy. How do I give him confidence? And I've had to

explain several times before, look, you can and should tell him a million times that you love

him and that you're proud of him and that this and that, but none of those things, none of those

things can give a young man confidence. The only thing, there is only one thing that gives a young

man confidence and that is going through hard things. And the harder things you go through, the more

confident you will be. You ever meet a navy seal? I know several navy seals. Did a tachyus SOBs

who walk the face of the planet? Why are they so cocky? Because they've been through something

more difficult than most other people will ever go through. You want confidence? There is only

one way to get it. You can't love your way into it or tell them you're proud your way into it.

You can't read your way into it, suffering if some kind in some way. And like I said, it doesn't

just have to be physical. It could be God knows what you go through educationally or whatnot.

You must suffer and come out the other end and then you will be confident.

Yes. I love everything you just said. There was a great clip circulating on X the other day of

the British actor who was in hand in her sister's Michael.

Cain? Michael Cain. Yes. That's his name. Pretty sure. Anyway, he was talking about how when he was

young, he was going on to the set. I think it was a Broadway play. And he was supposed to open the

door, walk on stage and like confront this man and woman who were arguing on set. And he opened

the door at a rehearsal and walked in and they had somebody had shoved a table in front of the door.

So the door opened into a table and now it's like the tables blocking his entrance. I got screwed

up and he was angry and he was like, you'll move the table. And they somebody else said to him,

how can it be useful? How can you make it useful? He's like, what do you mean? They're like

if you know improv, if it's a comedy, bump into it, fall over the table and fall down and give the

audience that experience. If it's a drama, get angry. Start screaming about the table that blocked

your way. But he said this became like his life motto in raising his own kids and thinking about

the challenges that came his way. How can it be useful? How can I make this challenge,

which otherwise would make me go crying in my soup and feeling sorry for myself into something

that's useful so I can get to the other side where I have more confidence, as you said, where I

believe myself a little bit more where like I know I can handle adversity.

Yeah, I love Michael came by the way. And he's always been one of those real type actors where

so many of them seem fake. But it's why I as a parent, I've tried to figure out how do I give

that to my sons while also protecting my sons, right? Because it's a weird, it's a weird thing.

I don't want to go drop him off in the fifth war. That's the gang banger part of Houston at midnight

and say, well, good luck son, you got to suffer a little to grow up. I don't want that, right? But

that's why, look, I'm not, I'm not here to teach people life lessons or parent lessons. I can only

tell you what we have done. That's why we're adamant about sports. And neither of my kids are

incredible athletes, nor do I care, nor do I need them to be. I'm not living by caries so he's

through them. I don't need them to get a full ride or something like that, although that'd be cheaper.

But no, go suffer. You know, my my youngest decided to do track this year. He can't run for crap.

He runs like I do. I can't jump over a piece of paper. I run a 40, a 40 yard dash in about 15

minutes. And he's the exact same way, but he's doing it just to do it, just to suffer. And he's

out there and he's sweating and he's in pain and it's misery. And it makes me so freaking proud

to watch it because he's better. You can already see him. He's standing up a little straighter because

he's out there. He's in pain and he's suffering. So there are ways you can give that to your kids.

We just have to avoid here in America. We're so blessed that we can avoid a lot of pain.

You can avoid a lot of things and that's good, right? You can avoid a lot of danger. But you can

get to the point where you really can helicopter parent your kids and keep them in a bubble.

And then finally you kick them out of the house at 18 and they're just soft and gooey and

getting ready to get eaten alive by what that coach said to what was named Dan Hurley by a very

cruel world that I mean when my kids get a bad teacher who's mean to them and they'll come home

and dad she gave me a detention. You think you're never going to have a bad boss?

Think all the boss is going to be lovely? You think that they're all going to treat you fairly?

No, you're going to have crappy bosses and it's going to suck. Consider this a great time to learn

about it. My oldest this summer he has he's got two jobs lined up. He has to go put in irrigation

lines and he has to work at a local Mexican fast food joint and both those jobs are going to suck

Megan. They're going to be brutally crappy jobs for crappy pay and it's going to be outstanding for

him because one day he's going to have a job at 2526 that may not be ideal and you know what he's

going to say it's better than taco time. It's better than that job. Now wait, there is a twist to

this story about this coach Dan Hurley speaking of tough love. He not only gives it he certainly

seems to receive it from his wife. Look at this. We did a little deep dive into Dan Hurley because

we got interested in that clip. Here he sat down with Graham Benzinger in September of 24 and

described what his wife Andrea does when he loses games or starts to maybe get down on himself

listen here to slot 17. On the rare occasion you've lost what will the wife yell at you to get

you out of bed. I mean she has strange like motivational tactics you know the game at Crating

this year where you know we lose by a lot and I'm fighting with fans and going like crazy Dan on

the way out of the arena. You would think that that next morning she'd like tell me it's going to be

okay she's telling me you're allows you coach and you acted like a baby last night and you know

why don't you take out the garbage because you're no good at coaching. You're a glorified

gym teacher. You go in, you coach games, you don't perform surgery, you don't save lives.

Part of me is like really pissed off. You don't know you know what you're looking at it and I'm

just like okay. Well I'm just telling you get back on your horse it's not that big of a deal

you know it's like it's a game stupid game.

So is this what Aubrey says to you when you have a bad show like Jesse how does it work in the

Kelly household. You know it's not that but I'll tell you when I have you know making

I'm more of an introverted type it's the reason you don't see me at all these conferences

given speeches and things like that it's just not something I I enjoy doing I'm an introvert

I don't want to hang around a bunch of people I don't want to give speeches I don't need a

pause I want to go home and read a book and watch a documentary and hang out and be with my

family when I'm not doing my show but I also understand that occasionally traveling for work

is beneficial but I'll always say no until Aub finds out about it and then she'll just climb

in my butt about the entire thing and tell me this is what you have to do you cannot come home

and live in your cave at all times you have to go out there and do things you don't like to do

you can't only do what you want the other kids exactly right you can't only do what you want to do

for the rest of your life you got to get out there and do it you got to do this you got to you got

to write something I hate writing I despise writing I don't mind talking of course but I hate writing

you got to go write something write something down she does that same type of thing and it's I

have needed her I'll tell you that much I need that every now and that otherwise I'd never leave

my house well I think their their dynamic is very interesting in the early family there was a

follow-up sound by by him being like she's clueless she doesn't know anything about what I do it

took a turn to from like that's kind of charming to like the oh well I don't know how I feel

but it's an interesting study of relationship and messaging Jesse I love having you on have a great

weekend love to Aub and let's do it again soon appreciate you mate oh what a great guy right okay

coming up we were actually we're not going to do anything on Nancy got three today and then do you

guys know I've mentioned nerdy addict on the show from whom we've got enough few good tips on

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we showed you yesterday clips of Savannah Guthrie's first interview on NBC since her mother

Nancy went missing nearly two months ago now my gosh that's crazy today is March 27th Nancy was

taken on January 31st well overnight unfit their wee hours of February 1st that is so crazy

unfortunately we have more questions than answers two minutes later like why didn't the Guthrie family

ever pay a ransom if they believed as Savannah told us yesterday that two of those ransom notes they

received were authentic why wouldn't they have paid the money and why did Savannah's military

veteran brother immediately think that Nancy was kidnapped for ransom immediately that's where his

mind went was there something in the second note this is another question that made them believe

it was fruitless to pay money to the kidnapper because they made video statements after each of

these notes and that last question what was in the second note and did it suggest something about

Nancy that was dark and would have suggested the ransom was fruitless and that's the question

taking new significance this morning because one of the ex counts that has followed this case the

closest and that we have been following and that has steered us right more than once in its commentary

and leads on the case is a user who goes by the name nerdy addict and nerdy you may recall that

because I cited nerdy addict in talking with you guys before nerdy addict writes today quote

I now have two sources confirming that one of the letters sent to the media in the Nancy

Guthrie case allegedly states that the sender apologized claiming that they did not realize how

serious Nancy's heart condition was and that she has quote gone to be with God right so this is

a nerdy claiming that nerdy's been told by two sources that the second ransom note you know this

person was demanding bitcoin and wrote to Harvey plus two local stations that the second note

apologize saying they didn't realize how serious Nancy's heart condition was and that she has

quote gone to be with God nerdy goes on to write quote according to these sources investigators

believe the message came from the same individuals who previously demanded bitcoin though this latest

letter reportedly made no demands and was framed solely as an apology while this has been validated

to nerdy by two independent sources it has not been publicly released or confirmed by the media so

nerdy is telling us and we are telling you to take it with a grain of salt and put a big

ol asterisk at the end of it with all to respect to nerdy we don't know nerdy's agenda we don't

know nerdy's background we don't know anything about nerdy other than the reporting that we've

taken from this account with citation so far in this case has all proven to be very sound so

that's why we decided to bring it to you here to analyze this is James Hamilton he's a former FBI

supervisory special agent who created the FBI's close protection school which is a specialized

training program designed for agents to protect high-level individuals and morino connell a 25-year

veteran of the FBI and co-host of the best case worst case podcast thank you guys so much for

being back on i want to say i want to go through a little bit of the timeline here just to refresh

us all and the audience about that second ransom note right Nancy was taken on that Sunday

February 1st in the wee hours that whole week we had ransom notes and we had family responses

and now it seems like ancient history because we're two months in but the the ransom note my

my team has done the timeline for me okay the first we heard of a ransom note was Tuesday

February 3rd the first ransom note sent to TMZ and two local Tucson stations at 1 12 pm the letter

demanded four million dollars in bitcoin by Thursday February 5th and then six million dollars if

the payment didn't come before Monday February 9th and then we know what was in that note

well we don't know all we know is that they made a demand for ransom and they had revealed something

about Nancy's clothing or something inside the house allegedly about her watch and maybe a flood light

on the outside that convinced investigators that they should take this note seriously

and the family certainly certainly took it seriously because that was the note in response to

which we first saw the family come out the three adult children holding hands Savannah with the

no makeup very very dark you know talk to her and you'll see saying the things about Nancy you should

get to know her and we in this day of video manipulation we need to know that you do have her

and you know that she's alive so that was after the first one then on Thursday February 5th

authorities confirm those two those two ransom deadlines and later that day KOLD TV Tucson received

a second ransom letter at 5 30 pm they said there's no deadline in it the new note quote can

contain something the senders seem to think will prove to investigators that they're the same

people who sent the first note and then in response to that second note the family came out

the following day on Saturday February 7th and they said we received your message we understand

we beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her this is the only way

we will have peace this is very valuable to to us and we will pay and many of us sat and said

that sounds like they believe Nancy's no longer alive return our mother to us so we can celebrate

with her celebrating you know possibly a term of our you know celebration of life well they're

looking for peace now very valuable to us and we will pay and that would dovetail with nerdy's

reporting that the second ransom note was more of an apology but they had Nancy's body

and said she's gone to be with God this is all speculation but it could dovetail and it also

dovetails more in with the fact that the family didn't actually pay like if that second note

suggested Nancy was no longer with us I don't know that even Savannah Guthrie who probably does

have well over six million dollars in the bank would pay six million dollars at that point in

the investigation but I don't know I'm not sure what to make of this what do you what do you make of it

well I think that the FBI was probably telling her without proof of life do not pay these people it

will never end just you know let's wait for proof of life and then we'll move forward from there

and if they can't provide proof of life then we're probably dealing we could very well be dealing

with the wrong people you know it's just it's it's simple it seems cold but it's it's how these

things work basically as far as the apology I mean or go ahead yeah well I'm interested in the

apology because some have speculated online who would apologize what what kind of a kidnapper

apologizes for stealing an 84 year old and does that tell us anything about who who may have done it

well people that apologize like over 90% of them are female which is interesting

and then also oh that's so true in life too it's so true I hear these young women you know I'm

sorry sorry sorry but also go with God that's something obviously men and women can say but it's

say comforting it's designed to comfort the family why would hardened criminals that our

professionals want to comfort the family they would probably just be mad that they didn't get

their money but they feel bad first of all just for the record it's amazing to me my husband I've

been married 18 years together 20 he never apologizes like maybe I've heard him apologize like three

times he it's not that he never takes responsibility you know he'll take responsibility but like the words

I'm sorry are so rare meanwhile your women are constantly like oh sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry James

we blame you that's really where we're going with this yeah that's completely fine you're not an

apologizer yeah completely fine to blame me and us and good to see again I I would say there's

a lack of personalization here that I would I would like to see and what it mean by that is if

Marine and I are working this up on the big board you will have all of the specificity

they could have been gleaned from a all the public information press conferences and what have

you drone footage media crops and all I've heard so far is watch outdoor light pacemaker or heart

condition all of this is public knowledge so if we're going to apologize and I'm going to take

it seriously I would have liked to see something like you know hey in the note we apologize or

I apologize for knocking over the picture in the room or more specificity I knocked over the photo

of your father okay that that would be okay we need to take this seriously something this not

release the public then yeah that there might be something to do this but all I'm here in Megan

is what scam artists do they pray upon grief they pray upon your vulnerability they're saying anything

they can to get paid it really doesn't move the needle a lot for me and yet we know from Savannah

yesterday that she believes whoever wrote those notes is the kidnapper so we're going to talk

about that and we put together all we know about what was in the ransom notes from Harvey Leven's

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there are a lot of different notes I think they came and I think most of them it's my understanding

are not real and I didn't see them but um you know a person that would send a fake

ransom note really has to look deeply at themselves yeah to a family and pain

but I believe the two notes that we received that we responded to

I tend to believe those are real

hmm all right so there she is back now with James Hamilton and Moreno Connell

she believes that those ransom notes are real so what do we know about those notes we put

together a montage of everything we could find Harvey 11 saying about them since he's seen them

and here that is so we got something in our email that looks like a

written like a ransom note for Savannah Guthrie's mother specifically and there's very certain

amounts of money very specific and also they say at the bottom there are certain things

they're saying about what she was wearing and damaged to the house that they're clearly saying

to verify it's us we know we're talking about they do mention an apple watch as the FBI said

and they do mention the flood light the damage flood light there is something else

and it is the placement of the apple watch which has not come out and if that placement is

accurate I'm sure that is something that puts this letter on the FBI's radar

there are deadlines I say plural deadlines in this letter and one is looming the letter says

that she will be returned within 12 hours into into back in the Tucson area and then if you look

at 12 hours that's a radius of about 700 miles that's how you calculated them yeah the map

I know and when I say I know I am positive that authorities including the FBI are vitally

interested in that ransom note I know this to be true and I can't say the specifics because I

promised I wouldn't but I can tell you they are absolutely still vitally interested in this

ransom note okay so he to clarify received the first ransom note not the second one which

nerdy addict thinks they have a scoop on today we know precious little about the second one

from authorities or from the media that has received it KOLD TV Tucson is the one that received

the second one and again as I said to you they reported the new note contains something the

sender seemed to think will prove to investigators they're the same people who sent the first note

and the response to it by the got three family was we received your message we understand

we beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her this is the only way we

will have peace this is very valuable to us and we will pay so what do you make of that collection of

information there James certain they say they say something about what Nancy's wearing in the

first note they mentioned the apple watch and the placement of it they mentioned the flood lights

they mentioned deadlines and something about being within 12 hours of the Tucson area so that they

could get Nancy back to the gothries within you know that amount of time does that tell you anything

do you have any new insights on it it there is some some specificity again I would need to know

are there any publicly released photos of Miss Guthrie with the apple watch on

if not if we yes yes she was on the today show with Savannah wearing it

no then it's not as crucial to me again something very specific like instead of saying nightgown

like if they gave a very specific and again I don't know because I haven't read the note

but if it was a very specific type of nightgown with maybe a tear or a stain something that we would

not know but you know Savannah and the family would know then that would lead me to believe okay we

need to take this seriously and we need to you know respond we need to have correspondence with

this individual and the very first thing I'd be asking for is you know I'd let them know what we

want to pay but I need to know she's alive period and and then I don't know you know did that happen

and if it did happen what was the next response right we did something go wrong with the

negotiation and we're just not being told but you said it we're just not being told there's a lot

of information we don't have what do you make James of the if this is true the report by nerdy

of the report that the the kidnapper apologized in the second note I'm sorry and she's gone to

be with God yeah again I've seen notes like that with regards to a scam I've seen anything they can

say to you know curry favor to feel as though you know because she's clearly grieving Savannah and the

family so he's playing upon that right and and I know she said something like you know how could

someone do that and I'm sorry to say this but there's truly evil people walking this planet

and they do do this and this is how they act and they will make you believe a lot of things that's

why they're scam artists that's why they're successful and they play they pray upon that grief

the vulnerability the sadness again you know they will say whatever it takes to get that money

and to apologize or you know say they went with God it's like one of the tells is marine I'm sure

can tell you say this is well marine but as an investigator when everyone someone says you know

I swear to God that whenever they they put that on you they're letting they're literally lying

and they're trying to make you think they're telling the truth they always say things like that

that is so true Phil Houston whose lifelong CIA guy who literally wrote the book called

spy the lie he's a human lie detector said says that one of the things he looks at to figure

out whether somebody's lying is has to happen within the first five seconds of asking the question

so you need a cluster you need two of his deception indicators to happen within the first five

seconds of asking the question so in other words sometimes people will look away that's not

that's not a tell unless it's part of a cluster has to be at least two things so if you look away

and hands go above the midline because you do that when you're lying you can do it normally too

if you're like I am like Italian but it can be you're lying you have adrenaline

pumping through your body and it it's amazing he has all these videos of people lying

it has to shoot out of you the electricity that runs through your body when you were lying

it does shoot out of you someplace that's why your hands go above the midline

touching your face is it is a big one like your ear your hair your nose your mouth

or if you see somebody sitting you like with the legs crossed you'll see them start to like do

this with the leg it starts to like kick it's amazing how you cannot keep the adrenaline from lying

in your body and again but anyway yeah you're right one of his is referencing God James yeah

yeah and for me I think I it's a now it's become an absolute you know pet peeve in mind but if

I asked you a question and you were to respond to me and you say well honestly James or to tell

you the truth James well all I all I hear is you're a liar you lie all the time and right now you

just want me to believe you because you're preface in the answer you know honest people like you

that in me I just give you the answer and you know that is what it is I don't need to preface it

but also I did just want to say I looked at the February 3rd press conference with the sheriff and

you know that information's out there right so to say she's gone with God that clearly is already

out there and praise upon you know oh you know they care about God as well I've seen it these scammers

they'll they'll do anything and say anything and we know you know publicly that you know

Miss Guthrie was supposed to be at a church meeting that morning oh I see so you're at the press

conference he revealed that she was supposed to be at church and she's saying that these scammers if

that's what they were knew that a reference to God might play with the Guthrie family or it may

have just been if in fact the nerdy report is true them lying and covering it up with a reference

to she's gone with God we don't we don't know you know there's a lot there's a there've been a lot

of good questions asked about Savannah's interview yesterday many by just armchair detectives or you

regular civilians Maureen who have been covering this case and I saw one woman on my x-feed today

asking a really good question about this sound bite let me play it and then we'll talk about it

uh this is Savannah talking about the moments she found out from Annie that Nancy was missing

and my sister called me and I said is everything okay and she said no she said mom's missing

and I'm said what's yeah what are you talking about she said she's gone

and we she was in a panic I was in a panic I'm like call 911 she's like I did we've called them

they're here and we thought that she must have had like some kind of medical episode in the

night and that somehow you know the paramedics had come because the back doors were propped open

you know and that didn't make any sense we thought maybe they came and there was a stretcher and they

took her out the back but her phone was there and her purse was there and all her things

and it just didn't make any sense so you know sh Annie and Tommy had already called all the hospitals

but then I'm like I'm gonna call the hospital so then I started calling the hospitals and

and the police were there and talking to her at the same time and it was just chaos and disbelief

okay and the longer version of the clip Savannah sets up that story by saying

her husband had been away on a guy's weekend that that weekend and he had just come home and that

she had been at Carson Daley's house with her kids all day and she had just gotten home

and that they were getting ready it was the evening and then the sister called well we know from

the authorities that 911 was called just afternoon that morning right Nancy they revised the timeline

but they said at 1157 they realized Nancy wasn't there they called 911 and that 911 got there the

you know authorities got there just afternoon so that would have been just after two just after

3 p.m. East Coast time so hours hours went by from the sound of it before Annie got three

called Savannah and I would give this woman online credit but I didn't actually see her name but

she was saying who you only have one other sister and she's got Annie got three has a brother

Cameron and she's got a sister Savannah and the sister happens to have major resources but the

point is you know your mother's potentially missing you've now been to the house there's blood

there's blood throughout the house the doors propped open Nancy's missing the ring cameras been

it's gone the next camera's gone you wait hours two or three hours to call your sister to say like

have you heard from mom and by the way you do all the hospital calls to before you loop in the

sister like I could see if your sister's missing you do all that legwork yourself before you loop

in your mom whom you don't want to panic but your sister is your sister in arms like your siblings

they're in it with you as a as a sibling you're like this is our mom like it's all hands on deck

and also wouldn't you have just called her to say have you heard from her like it is very strange

the more I think about it that Annie got three did not call Savannah got three for hours apparently

and after she knew that something had gone very very wrong with the mother

she was probably just you know I mean she's going to say Annie's going to say that she was trying

to figure it out and that she and Tomaso were but to your point you know I would absolutely one

of my first phone calls would be like to one of my sisters hey get on the phone and call these

three hospitals I'll have I lean call the other three hospitals and you know or or divvy up these

hospitals nearby hospitals between the two of you I'm here I'm doing a ground search I'm trying

to find mom in the house I have no idea why the doors propped open there's blood in the front entry

way but I could see how the the only thing that really stands out to me is that door being propped

open not the only thing but the thing that really blows my mind is that door being propped open

because she apparently left through the front door and I mean was the initial plan to pull the

car around back and then they had to abort mission and and the the driver came up on the circle

driveway instead and then they went out the front door I don't know but with them removing the

camera that makes me believe that part of the plan was to remove Nancy via the front door and

perhaps if it was a kidnapping to begin with that was the plan they wouldn't want the family to see

what condition she was in when they pulled her out of that house well we we speculated yesterday

James was here about whether maybe maybe they did take her out of the house maybe they threw

over the shoulder and walked out of the front of the house that's what I think and one of the

questions I have is does Savannah know that her mother was wearing the pajamas she said that

yesterday without her shoes in her pajamas because she's seen maybe additional images from the

nest camera that the rest of us haven't seen or is it more likely that she's going off of what

was in that first ransom note that she's taking so seriously James which you heard a Harvey Levin say

describes what Nancy was wearing and maybe she's just going by that that she maybe the note says

we took her inner pajamas without her shoes yeah and it's interesting I didn't catch

but what she led with was that when she talked when Savannah what she led with was when she

talked to her sister that her sister said something's odd mom's missing and notice she said the door

was propped open well what about the blood if you and I were brother and sister Megan and I called

you and I said hey there's blood all over mom's porch I'd lead with that I wouldn't lead with

door propped open right I'd lead with blood I'd lead with a camera knocked off the the front

that was not said and and I try not to ever really get involved in family dynamics and why you know

a call was made or not made you know we just don't know and I don't know enough about that family

dynamic but if if they're taking care of meaning if if Savannah's sister and her brother-in-law

taking care of the mother and they're there frequently there might be a lot of things going on

that they don't ever call Savannah about I just again I don't know the family well enough I do

know families and sometimes that does happen so I don't find the three hours terribly you know

strange but I do have a problem with the not knowing about so then she not know about the blood

why not lead with that it makes me feel like they didn't know it's possible she's it's possible

she's been told you know not to discuss evidence like at the crime scene you know maybe she

thinks the blood is not to be discussed even though we've all seen it you know I mean it's not

it's not a secret thanks to the investigators I feel like they didn't know I feel like you know

the law enforcement stay remembered yesterday we talked about law enforcement trying to talk

it sounds like that they're trying to tell the family it's not a big deal people go missing

all the time and the family keeps saying no no you don't understand she can't just walk away she

has this hard thing no mention I think maybe they started searching later and then you know found

this blood and they call a crime scene unit and all those things I think that took a while

because if they had known that at the in the you know the beginning then certainly the the

prop door is concerned but blood's more concerning and I think I lead with that one

I would too but when you all she yeah go ahead with regard to what she was wearing it could be a

simple case Megan of you know one of the granddaughters bought her a hello kitty sleep shirt or

something and she always wore either that or this other thing and they all know it and you know

or something very anecdotal like that and they noticed that one of them was missing

that the sleep shirt she always wears is missing something distinctive you know that's what I've

thought of when I when I heard that I mean I'll tell you something I know exactly what my mom

sleeps in I know exactly what it is and if somebody ever took her while wearing it

they'd be able to convince me in a heartbeat that they had her you know it's like distinctive

I know every option she has and what she does so if if that's the case here then

maybe there was something that really convinced them this person in the first note is the person

but I I have my doubts because I we have seen that the apple watch on Nancy on previous

today show segments we've seen Nancy's cane on previous segments I don't know if they mentioned

the cane but they might have known that she was not that mobile from that information

we've seen as we discussed now the inside of Nancy's bedroom in that videotape that we found from

2013 I don't know whether this person ever saw that but I'm if you're going to do it if you

were doing a planned kidnapping on Nancy you might take a deep dive into whatever segments you could

find where they showed the inside of Nancy's home which they did on the today show so it's very

possible this person could write a convincing note that they had Nancy even if they didn't I as

we've discussed before I don't understand a kidnapper who's like check the flood light as proof

that I have Nancy like I'm worrying that just doesn't like the flood light that's something anyone

can see from the outside of the house well yeah the flood light but the apple watch I'm convinced

because for the FBI to take this seriously and James can agree with me because they were talking

about it they got together everyone discussed it it had to be something specific like I ripped

her apple watch off I broke the buckle to the where she hooked it on I threw it he said it was

the location I threw it under location I threw it under her nightstand or under the dresser or I

threw it into the bathroom something like that so it's got a couple of elements that just no one

else knew about unless they were there that's exactly right go ahead James that's exactly right

and yeah I just again she's very emotional and she's hanging on to any thread that at all and so

for her to believe that you know the note was for real I completely understand how that could happen

due to you know the emotional nature of it and not to say that her brother's not emotional but I'd

love to hear from him that he think or did the sister the other sister believe that you know this

was real I'd like to hear from them and again it I could see her believing that because of the you

know they are there do these victims are hanging on to any shred of hope that you know the it's

going to be a good outcome I mean I do think it's interesting that the brother this fighter pilot

his mind immediately went to she was kidnapped for ransom like Savannah told us that yesterday

without even and he didn't get there until a couple days in James so that was him just being

just having the crime scene described to him by phone he immediately went to someone stole her

to extort money from us because knowing Savannah had means exactly you know that's kind of what

again what I was talking about yesterday you know he was intuitively you know he was putting it

together and you know if you've ever been through a traumatic situation you know that's exactly what

happens I I was actually stalked one time and and the cops were asking me you know who do you

think it is and I immediately put it together and you know I had no train this was I was very young

I didn't have any training and FBI stuff or stalking or anything that but I just you know put it

together intuitively that is so and so and sure enough that's exactly who was stalking me so it

doesn't surprise me at all that that's what happened again intuition is a very powerful thing

and it operates at a subconscious level faster than a computer and he put it together very quickly

and not surprised by it at all and Megan the so the fighter pilots fighter pilots they go

through all kinds of training while being taken into custody by state actors and others and at

tortured and so they go through a whole series of training where when something goes bad it usually

goes bad pretty quickly and you know with that front door pro or that back door propped open

her not being there she obviously didn't walk away blood on the front door step I wonder how long

it was before they called him I just think that time frame that time frame is correct that is

really odd to me me too I had my producers transcribe exactly what she said about when she found out

well she said we just Mike that's her husband's name I'd given Mike for Christmas a boy's trip to

go play tennis and so he had been gone for the weekend so I took my kids actually to Carson's

so we had a beautiful fun night together and then he came home meaning Mike and really I just got

home at the same time that Mike came home we were just saying hi putting down our stuff and the

kids were running around and my sister called me and I said is everything okay and she said no

she said mom's missing she uses the term the word night that she and her kids and Carson's family

had a beautiful fun night together so now and she clearly found out Sunday evening she didn't

when she's not talking about the next day so or maybe it hasn't happened on Saturday night so it

maybe no it couldn't have been the night before oh had to be Sunday night and she it was

definitely Sunday night because she's saying you heard the rest of the sound bite that I played for

you where she's saying you know we have you called the hospital she's like I already did that

like it's all unfolding still and she's like call 911 we did that they're here she says so it's

like this is Sunday night she got the call it's very strange I don't know how many hours elapsed

between Annie got three calling the cops 911s at the house you're calling all the hospitals your

mother's blood is there she's missing her purse is there her phone is there and you don't think

to call the other sister to say have you heard from mom like that is very strange I don't know what

it means you guys but it's strange it is unless she tried to call her and she didn't answer and that's

why Savannah said is everything okay because I like looking at it like oh I missed two calls from

my sister Annie I don't know but it is strange I don't know I mean can I ask you frankly like do

we still suspect Annie slash Tomas who she calls Tommy the evidence that we shouldn't is Chad

heirs reporting on our air that he has a source boots on the ground in Arizona who says they've

taken polygraphs and past quote with flying colors the sheriff who said they're they've been cleared

but then he backed that off a little by saying they're not suspects at this time no one's been

arrested and Chad's other information was quote there are no suspects right now Savannah saying if

you knew how much like they take care of my mom like those two are so loving and like completely

took care of Nancy sounds like in a very loving way in Savannah's judgment so is it time to

completely move on from Annie and Tomas Maureen what do you think no but I'm not I'm not blaming

them but I'm not stepping away from them I'm objective I'm going to go wherever the evidence leads

me however I do think it's got to be someone that knew Nancy I don't think it was a complete

stranger I think it was someone that interacted with her knew how vulnerable she was and the

fact that she was vulnerable and she was she was also she also had access to a great deal of money

if if in fact it was a kidnapping from the beginning we just don't have enough information on

this end of the deal right now and if I if this were my case or James we would probably love it

if everyone was saying hey no one's we don't have any suspects whatsoever just let people go

and and do what they do and we'll just put our head down and try to solve this case

interesting that could that we're hoping that was a head fake thrown out to possibly throw off

the suspects if any that they do have let's pray let's pray God that that's actually what

what is happening here that Chad has been used by somebody trying to throw everybody or the

suspects that they do have off the scent well look at the Corey Rich's case she was out free and

clear and her family was just or his family was just like what is going on it's obvious she did

it well it took him a year to build the case sometimes oftentimes it takes a long time to build

the case these people were pretty careful wouldn't you say James with you know no comms or little

comms I still think they had walkie talkies not jammers and stuff I'm always going for the simpler

no traceable comms yeah I mean that first day first day I was with you I said that you know they're

not that stupid they haven't caught yet so right and I think we're laughing about the gun placement

and all that but here we are 53 days later as Megan said and we got nothing so I think they're laughing

more than anybody they're not that stupid um and you know again with regards to you know they

passed the or quote unquote passed with quote unquote flying colors I mean it's NDI you know no

deception indicated would be what the polygrapher said and and again they don't pass with flying

colors they they that does just no such thing as that they they do the test and if it's noted

detection indicated then okay they passed but again I don't know Megan I don't know the

polygrapher I don't know if he or she has a tremendous amount of experience they might I don't know

I'd like to know that I'd like to know what the control questions were I'd like to know specifically

what the questions were so I'll give you a good example if the question was did you you know do

this and they say and they didn't by the way have anything to actually do with it physically and

they were just like paying someone to do it they would pass on that question if they said no I didn't

have any I did I did not do this that would be the answer but if they paid someone to do it then

they would pass the they would not show deception so I'd like to know what the questions were

specifically and who did it how good is this polygrapher to let me feel a little bit better about

the the results but again without the body without solving the case I can't say that really anyone

is quote unquote cleared because I have nothing right I still don't have the the case solved and

I still don't have the body so I'm not saying anyone's ruled out you know that you might have

an alibi but it doesn't mean you didn't benefit in some way shape or form you know and I'm just

not going to say that again why why do that you don't need to do that why would we by virtue of

the fact that the polygraphs took place at the sheriff's station my guess is it's a law enforcement

polygrapher which I don't think they did yeah I don't think we know that no I think I I think we

believe we believe that they took place probably at the family's homes because Ashley Banfield

was suggesting she like people had the cop stations staked out and the family had not been there

Brian Enton reported that he thought it was at the sheriff's station and so my only point is no

matter where it was if the family hired a polygrapher and as a crisis manager I would say let's just

polygraph everyone get it over with and we can put that out so you guys are off the hook at least

you know so if it's a polygrapher hired by the family to conduct these interviews that that

goes into one bucket the wishy washy one if it's an FBI profiler or sheriff's department profiler

that's conducting this in in a but according to law enforcement protocols that that gets a lot

more weight from me she's exactly right she's a hundred percent right Megan if this was a family

family thing that's a totally different you know thing then a law enforcement custodial type

polygraph at the police station that is a totally different thing and I'm just trying to remember

we can go back and check this but my if my members serves Brian Enton was the first report that people

were being polygraphed yes and then it was happening at the sheriff's station because then we added

to the reporting that they rarely do that at this sheriff's department that they're not big one

one of the other like detectives came on the record saying it's rare for them to polygraph anybody

and then there was a second report sorry later that the family had been polygraphed and I don't

know are you did Brian specifically report that the family went to that the family went to the sheriff's

to be polygraph he did not but he saw he heard that polygraphs were happening at the sheriff's

department and then the sheriff's department mentioned to someone that they have new hires that

they were polygraphing yeah polygraphing and so you know so young sheriff's deputies were being

polygraphed oh not potential suspects in this case right but then after that okay so we don't know

I'll tell you right now I don't believe the family went down to the sheriff's office for a

polygraph I'm telling you in Savannah's position you would say fuck off no if you want to polygraph

me I'll do it I'm gonna do it right here otherwise it can become a media spectacle and I'm not

giving anybody videotape of me or my sister and my brother-in-law who I already think are being

unfairly smeared walking into the police station because this is just going to add to more speculation

and that's the last thing we need and this this sheriff is obviously trying to please Savannah that's

why he came out and said everyone's cleared which is not a term he could use right since no one's

under arrest and it's the D.A. that makes up decision anyways it's the prosecutors that make

the decision who's heard who's heard two words from the D.A. I don't even know who the D.A. is

we've been covering this case how many times together I have no idea we'd ever heard from the D.A.

There seems to be a lot of dissonance amongst the leadership in Pima County because normally in

these press conferences or anything like this you'd have everyone up there together showing unity

we're working together we're all on the same page you know fight in the good fight for the family

for the victims I have I wouldn't know who the D.A. was if I tripped over or him no that's what Matt

Murphy's been saying James all along you know lifetime prosecutor now he's doing some defense

work for cops but he's he's like where's the D.A. in every case I ever handled the D.A. was the

face of the case the D.A. would be driving the direction and the D.A. would be the one saying whether

somebody somebody had been cleared or not. It's exactly right it's disparate as we've kind of

talked about before very little task force feeling very little combination of resources it's a lot

of the sheriff nano show it feels like and I'm with you all I don't know the district attorney is

I don't know even if the FBI is still involved last say I heard was they were you know pulling

resources back to Phoenix they called it a tactical reallocation well that sounds to me is you know

they're not heavily involved here either and and that's not good because you need those resources

for the all of the various things we're talking about the evidence the you know leads other states

other countries you're going to need the FBI you cannot do that alone as a Pima County sheriff

and lastly you know you see a lot of bad optics here I've been seeing a lot of videos of

of him you know in his core vet going to the gym every day that it's just a bad optic I'm not

saying the guy can't have a life but you know certainly she's not at the gym you know Ms. Guthrie's

not there yeah yeah and by the way we're we're supposed to believe that an 84 year old woman

has been kidnapped and might still be out there in need of finding in need of our help like it isn't

a good look if Nancy got I mean there is it's remote but there is a possibility that she's still

alive and suffering so go to work right work out in your basement stop creating around in your

Corvette and we saw to the basketball game early on it's so insensitive this is why no one likes him

to real bad I wanted to play this one sound bite today's piece of the Savannah interview

was all emotional it was like you know as I look the typical today show pull on the hard strings

there there wasn't news but I did want to play one piece of it in light of the nerdy report which

again is unconfirmed but nerdy's reporting that the second ransom note suggested she's with God

I didn't realize how bad her heart condition was and she's with God um listen to what Savannah says

here I'll I'll explain why I'm tying them together stop 25 how can someone vanish yeah without

a trace how someone knows something even if that something is someone's been acting strange

for the last seven eight weeks even if it's just that somebody knows

mm-hmm and maybe somebody's afraid and I understand that

but our hearts are in agony we can't breathe we can't live we can't go on we can't be at peace

we can't go forward we have to know what happened to her it's hard to watch it's awful and you can

completely relate to it I think of these poor parents who lose kids you know who have missing

children and like I don't know how you'd wake up how you get how you do anything and knowing your

child was out there um and I'm sure the pain is in in that neighborhood when it's your 84 year old

mom who is also a dependent in many ways you know it's like it I have an 84 year old mom there

there it's a tough time of life you know it's it's a tough time and you know my mom is is a lot

like Savannah's mom my mom also lost her husband when my mom was 44 her mom was 49 it was a sudden

heart attack for her dad and mine my dad died at 45 her dad died at 49 it was like it's really

crazy some of the parallels of our lives seen here my dad died into some of this stuff 45

really yeah and my left my mom with six kids oh my god right so like you can relate to what

she's feeling about her poor mom who's been through a lot and got her through a lot and now needs

her needs her to help her but needed her before she got kidnapped I'm sure to help her live and

maintain her independence and now needs her to find her but to me I couldn't tell if Savannah was

trying to telegraph there at the end like we think she's still alive or just we need to know one

way or the other but she didn't sound to me like somebody who totally knew the mom was dead

and like that would undermine the reporting from nerdy no offense to nerdy but the reporting

might be incorrect that they they've been the family hasn't sounded to me like they definitively

know Nancy's dead they sounded they've sounded to me since like that since the first after excuse

the first video they did where they were like we need to know you have her and that she's alive

then they started to sound a little bit more like they suspected she was dead like we need to

celebrate with her and they you know they seemed less less hopeful but I haven't heard any

from thing from them James suggesting they know Nancy's dead yeah she's holding out hope and I

think unfortunately as you work these cases and you're marine and I have it it's just tragic and

she's going to continue to always hold out hope and you know again at this prolonged which I

think it will and a year from now we still don't have the body I think you know she's obviously

going to you know feel more inclined to believe that her mom is gone but not a hundred percent

she'll always hold out hope that she's going to come back that she's still alive that's a very

common you know feeling of a family member but I'm with you I think she's still she's not

believing that her mom's gone and that she is holding out hope that he's still there and again

I think going back to her question you know how does someone just vanish that's where I am and

we everyone collectively had needs to put pressure on this sheriff or whoever's run in this case

because again I don't really know but what is going on give us an update you know like hold them

like you were saying yesterday the value of the media in this case is to continue to ask questions

where is the district attorney someone should be down there with a microphone going what are you doing

what is going on if we just you resigned ourselves to say this case is over that is unacceptable

right like that that's the purpose of this continue to put pressure on them so that it's not

you know acceptable that nothing has happened and there are no leads and we can't find this lady

because that's going to set a precedent that that's just how we act around here and that is not

what we want to be doing it is weird like marine if I were sheriff not us I'd call a presser yeah

like there's no better way to get the media re-interested in this case then call a presser give us

the latest update you know what whatever you have I'm sure he's got a couple of nuggets that he could

feed to the media to get people re-interested in this but why why don't they I have no idea why

but it could be as simple as hey we got 12,000 tips overall and we did a triage and all the strong

tips want to the top of the list we were working our way down we're down to we have another 600 to go

we're still you know but I think honestly I think part of the reason why the FBI pulled the resources

back to Phoenix is they're going to be in their own space they're going to have um you know

they're going to have all the FBI resources but they're it also creates distance between them and

nano so they can just do what they want to do and it also gives breathing room to the detectives

in Pima County that are assigned to that task force so they can just work with the FBI and stay

a little bit away from the drama if she was taken by kidnappers because Savannah is well known and

has money and the first ransom demand came in and they believe it Savannah to this moment believes

it was from the people who took her mom why didn't they pay truly I know they didn't give proof of

life but she's telling us she believed she was communicating with the people who had Nancy like

would the FBI have been saying even though you believe it we suspect we got a hunch this is them

don't pay without proof of life well we don't know how many ransom notes they got

because she mentioned in this in that last clip that of all the ransom notes well we only know of

3D my guess is the other ones went either the Pima County Sheriff or the FBI in which case

we don't know about those so maybe the FBI is like listen we have one here one at Pima County

and this other one and let's give the money to whoever comes up with the proof of life I don't

know there's got to be a method to that well she's like right and were the FBI even they would have

taken they would have taken Nancy back dead or alive oh yeah you know so it's like is proof of

life even what they're actually looking for it's like proof that you did it is really right like

that's we should play we should play the message where they said yeah okay this is Saturday night

this they've received both ransom notes from the Bitcoin guy saying this is the person that Harvey

says said this is what she was wearing she had the Apple watch and exactly the placement of it

take a look at this flood light and had deadlines in it and had four million and then six million

and then talked about 12 hours of the Tucson area like that's they've received a very detailed

ransom note and then a follow up that may or may not have said we didn't know how sick she was

and she's with God you don't have that's unconfirmed but here's what the family said having had

all that and knowing this is Saturday night that the last dead they've missed the first deadline

which is Thursday for four million the last deadline is coming of Monday for six million here's

stop 44 we received your message and we understand we beg you now to return our mother to us so

that we can celebrate with her this is the only way we will have peace this is very valuable to us

and we will pay but still they didn't James they still didn't pay even if you believe in that

message they they now believe she's dead maybe nerdy's right maybe the second note did say the

the terrible things and but she's saying there we will pay and that she'd actually didn't even

ask for proof of anything there it's just to me it's very confusing unless the FBI was telling her

don't pay one dime until we get up a hair or a picture or something to prove this is not a scammer

yeah I certainly believe there were FBI and law enforcement off you know off camera who are assisting

with that video and certainly they're not going to throw you know good money away if there's no

chance that this is legitimate but here again a great question sheriff nanos FBI district attorney

what happened why didn't they pay did they want to pay please tell us what is going on again nothing

you're why didn't Hoda ask that well that you you nailed all that yesterday with regards to you

know what that was whether it was a journalistic deep dive interviewer was two friends on a couch

right or or something that they're trying to paint as two friends on a couch I mean I thought it

was very telling that Carson daily admitted in the roundtable afterward that none of them had been

in touch with Savannah throughout this entire ordeal wow and yet Hoda is there like crying fake

crying I'm sorry but she was fake crying she kept wiping away tears that weren't there she

look at it I'll watch it on my computer where my big screen is like 12 inches from me there were

no tears in her eyes there were no tears coming down her face Savannah was crying they were real

tears yes she kept wiping away tears that weren't there Hoda kept sniffling she was like she she

she she kept interjecting with her yes yes yes it's like just stop I know it sounded like a little

that's what you're here for yeah like her constant yes yes in the background it was

distracted it was it was off-putting it was distracting and she didn't do her job which is the very

basic why did you believe that that actually was from the kidnapper why did you believe that

and then the obvious follow-up if you believed it was real why didn't you pay right she could say

I'm not going to answer that that's fine we get that all the time I've had a nickel for every time

I've had to ask an uncomfortable question of somebody including people I know and like

but I have to do it because it's my journalistic duty I've had many people come on the show saying

I'll come on but I'm not going to be able to answer the following things and I'll say you do

whatever you're going to have to do I'm going to have to do what I'm going to have to do

and it's it's your duty truly if this is not a small deal you know what your duty as a journalist

this is the biggest interview in the country this week and she did she completely fell down on the

job why didn't you pay then and to your point earlier Maureen what do you mean the door was propped

open the back door was propped open with what with what yeah very simple would that have been so

if you're going to tell us it was propped open why wouldn't you say with what unless they

wanted her to keep that secret but I I I agree with you I just the other thing with the payment

situation when they said um you can go to any you can go to any post office let us know which one

and we'll we'll have the cash they're ready for you and you know the interviews after that

with with me I think it was with you where uh fits and I were both like yeah that's a great idea

but we're both thinking exactly what the perpetrators are thinking like that's unsurvivable there's no

way I'm going to walk into a United States post office get a double bag of millions of dollars and

then walk out and not get caught so I think they're just at the point where they need to these

perpetrators need to cut their losses because Nancy's gone and I actually think that

I actually believe that Savannah knows her mom's gone I don't see any hope left for her to be alive

but I do think they have hope that they'll be able to bring her home and have a celebration of life

so I just think the the bad guys are just like we're never gonna

I think they're getting more comfortable right now by the way because when Savannah said

if they've been asked to acting strange for the last eight weeks sure but they got away with it

for eight weeks now and to Jim's point of you know how many days it's been so far they're starting

to get comfortable again whoever this person or these people are they're starting to get comfortable

again because they they're still walking around I mean there's still a million dollar reward out

there for information leading to the identification of the perpetrator or the finding of Nancy

uh it's still possible someone could say I want that million dollars it's possible the family could

raise the reward still um and I mean I guess it's possible that somebody who hasn't seen

that guy's picture will now we talked about how the billboards were insufficient that they're

putting up all around the southwest because they only showed Nancy and I'll show the picture of

that guy well guess what they after our discussion they actually changed the billboards

it was amazing Jennifer Coffinter noted that on her x-feet so they they did change the billboards

and now his pictures on them so it's possible you know this guy you're married to this guy

you employ this guy and you don't know you know a lot of people don't even follow the news you know

they could they just live their lives those are the happy people and uh they don't they haven't

seen this picture a million times like we all have it and they see this picture like there's still

some hope um I do want to show one thing Savannah said um we have 90 seconds left do I have time

let's let's play to sat 23 quickly but faith is how I will stay connected to my mom

god is how I'm holding hands with my mom and I will let Sadis win

for her she taught me see I saw her grief I saw her world shatter I saw it and I saw her get up

and I saw her belief and I saw her love and I saw her hope and I saw her smile and I saw her laugh

I saw her joy I saw her love of the world and adventure I saw her belief I saw her faith

she taught me she taught all of us how to handle this a final gift from mother to daughter it's

awful uh that's why we stay on this that's why you guys come on and we'll continue to until we

have answers thank you James thanks Maureen thanks to all of you for listening we're back on Monday

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