The Megyn Kelly Show - Truth About Kirk Investigation and Robinson Trial, Iran Questions, with Curt Mills, and Josh Duhamel on Keeping Politics Out of Hollywood | Ep. 1281

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Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. We've got a big show for

you today. Savannah Guthrie is speaking out in her first interview since her mother went

missing. Where's the lady? We never found the lady. Plus, actor Josh Demel will be here

and that'll be interesting for us. But first, we've got to tell you more about the shocking

and senseless murder of 18-year-old Loyola University Chicago student Sheridan Gorman, this

poor girl. It happened after 1 a.m. last Thursday while she was out with friends. And unlike

the left and corporate media, we have to discuss the alleged culprit, 25-year-old Jose Medina

and illegal immigrant from Venezuela. By the way, we have a big follow-up for you on that

terrible, older woman who said, I'm wrong place wrong time. This guy chased her, chased

her at 1 a.m. in the morning, wearing a mask, a black mask, and shot her in the back.

Oh, it's a wrong place wrong time thing. That's what you say when you took a fairest

wheel that broke and you were badly injured. That's wrong place wrong time. Where you

like got hit by lightning, wrong place wrong time. This was a girl living her life like

every normal 18-year-old in America who got targeted by an illegal for assassination,

who chased her. He clearly wanted her dead for no apparent reason. It is not a wrong place

wrong time. And we were all over that older woman yesterday. We'll tell you what happened

in a second. The guy was apprehended by Biden's border patrol in May of 2023, but then

released into the country. This is not an anomaly. That's what Biden did throughout

his term as president. Most of them were just let in. If you got apprehended by border

patrol, then they just turned you around and said, okay, here's your court date. And

no one ever shows up for their court date, ever. The very next month he was arrested for

shoplifting at a Macy's in Chicago, which should have led to a phone call by the Chicago PD

to ice saying, yo, we haven't found an illegal here. And we kind of for shoplifting, but

we're going to turn him back out because we don't prosecute crime in Chicago. And you

should, you might be interested in picking him up. But Chicago is a sanctuary city. And

Illinois is a sanctuary state, which means they don't cooperate with ice. They won't

call even if there's an ice detainer on somebody where they know ice is saying, please hold

the guy, which wasn't the case here. But even if that is the case, they don't call. They

say f off pound sand. No. So needless to say, when he got pinched for a shoplifting arrest,

Chicago PD did not call the feds, not that under Joe Biden, the feds would have done anything,

was the feds that released him to begin with. So he was released from local custody. And

a warrant was eventually issued after he failed, he failed to appear in court, according

to ABC seven Chicago. So what, what we have here is multiple acts already of lawlessness.

He came into the country illegally. He then shop lifted. He then didn't show up for his

court date. And an arrest warrant was issued for him. And now he's killed somebody, not

just any somebody, but a beautiful 18 year old girl with her entire life in front of her,

just trying to get an education in Chicago. He's been charged with first to be murder.

That's the right charge and other felonies over shared in Gorman's murder. He missed

his detention hearing Monday. This time, it's a pattern for him. It's allegedly because

he has tuberculosis and is in the hospital. I don't know what to root for. You know, it's

like, do we root for the tuberculosis to get him? There's no chance he has health insurance.

I'm sure we're giving him treatment on the taxpayer dime in Chicago, or do we root for

him to get well again so that he can be tried, found guilty of murder, and hopefully be behind

bars for the rest of his life, which will be justice, I suppose, as close as we can get.

But we'll do nobody any good. It doesn't bring shared in Gorman back. It doesn't ease

her mother, Jessica's pain. It, it may be prevents the next girl from getting murdered

by this fucker who never should have been here to begin with, forgive me.

Now, yesterday, we told you about this Chicago alder woman, Maria Hadden. She represents

the district where this murder occurred. Now, you would think your first reaction if you

represented the district would be, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Let me at least walk you

through the multiple efforts I've done to make my district safer. That wasn't it.

We played you a clip from her interview with Fox 32 Chicago last week. We played it yesterday.

She gave the interview last week. Sheridan was murdered on Thursday, where she said

of Sheridan's murder quote, it sounds like this might have been a wrong place, wrong time

running into a person who had a gun. All lies. I mean, like literally all lies. As we promised

to you yesterday, oh, we called her office. We did indeed call to find out if she had

anything to add after we now know from the criminal complaint that Sheridan was shot

in the back while fleeing not just from any random person, but from an illegal immigrant

who was dressed in all black and wearing a black mask, wearing a black mask doesn't sound

like he was exactly up to any good that night on the pier along Lake Michigan as young Americans

or minding their own business, celebrating life. This guy sitting there with his tuberculosis

and dressed in all black with a loaded revolver and wearing a mask, obviously covering his

face. And then for no reason, there was no report of an altercation of a teasing of anything,

not that any of that would justify this, but I'm just saying there doesn't appear to have

been any trigger other than he saw a gorgeous young female American and decided to take

her life. And she ran. She knew she was in danger. She ran and he chased her and shot

her in the back like a disgusting pig coward. Well, the older woman wrong place, wrong time.

Her office didn't answer. And guess what? Her voicemail was full. We called many times.

And we sent her office an email and got no response. But just a few hours after that,

older woman had in releasing a statement on Facebook. Yeah, because now that the national

media is after her, she realizes she's got skin in the game. She did finally apologize

for her wrong place, wrong time remarks. Her statement reads in part, quote, my comments

were never intended to blame the victim or to imply that Sheridan should not have been

out enjoying the park or that it was her fault. She was shot. I sincerely apologize

for any additional pain. My comments may have caused. However, she once again fell down

on the messaging. First of all, she made no mention of Medina's name because he has to

be protected, you see, unlike what he did to Sheridan. He gets protected or that he is

an illegal immigrant. Only writing, quote, the person who shot Sheridan is the only one

responsible for her death. What person might that be, older woman? The illegal Jose Medina,

you don't want to say it? Because what? It projects Hispanic. People might know he's

from Venezuela. And here, unlawfully, thanks to sanctuary city policies, you prefer

and promote. She referred to him only as the masked man, the suspect, and the person

never saying his name or that he was here illegally. She said the community is grieving

a life cut short by gun violence. Yes, this is about the gun. That's, leave it to a progressive

in Chicago to always make it about the gun. Same thing on the south side of Chicago. It's

just gun violence. If we get rid of the guns, the gang members over there killing each

other, not allowing 12-year-old boys to grow up, it would all stop. Has nothing to do

with the thug gang mentality that we've cultivated and allowed there for decades now. And this

guy, you know, had he not had access to a gun, she'd be alive. He seemed pretty determined

to kill her. I'm going to guess that if Medina had a knife on him, Sheridan would still

be dead. This isn't about gun violence. You asshole. And by the way, grieving a life

cut short by gun violence, yes, by whom, thanks to whom you missed that in your statement.

Hadden also appearing to take a shot at yours truly and others in what she calls conservative

media, writing quote, the fact that some media outlets are intentionally creating soundbites

to misconstrue my words during this tragedy is also unfortunate. It is unfortunate for

you. And it's thanks to your own behavior. You have yourself to blame, madam. She actually

tries then to claim that she was taken out of context with her wrong place, wrong time

comment. See now, let me tell you something sister. This is where things go really off

the rails. Because when you apologize for something, you say you're sorry and then you

STF you. You don't then try to say, I'm deeply, deeply sorry, but I was taken out of context.

But people are wrongfully spinning my words. Then why are you sorry? Why would you be sorry?

If you've been taken out of context, if it's the media's fault, that's that's a me problem.

If that's what's happening, that's not a you problem. Why would you apologize? Sorry,

but you can't have it both ways. Either you did something wrong or I did something

wrong. And I'm here to tell you, older woman, I did nothing wrong. I have you dead to rights.

And now you're attempt to wiggle on your name, disgusting comment is failing because unlike

most other media, we actually do our homework here on the show and we went back and took

a look at the entire interview. And you are screwed because you're lying to cover up

your insensitivity. I'm going to quote her statement directly. Okay. This is as part of

her alleged apology to try to get out of the culpability for saying wrong place wrong time.

She said the interviewer, this is on the Facebook post last night, the interview interviewer

asked me whether Sheridan was targeted by the shooter and whether this was related to

the duck walk killer who terrorized our community in 2018. I replied, no, that this seemed

to be a senseless wrong place wrong time tragedy unquote. Well, we pulled the tape and

we didn't hear anything from hadn't or Fox 32 Chicago's Anita Blanton about a duck walk

killer. Here is the full exchange from last Thursday or hadn't made the wrong place

wrong time comment watch. We found out like, okay, this is a masked individual that pops

out while she's with a group of her friends. Should other people be concerned about their

safety right now or do we think that this is a targeted incident? So from what from what

I've been told so far, right, from what police know from from speaking to the students

who are with her. It seems she might have that as they were just out, you know, people

go out to the beach all the time, right? And they go out on the pier. They walk around so

that the kids were out doing normal normal things people do in the neighborhood. And it sounds

like this might have been a wrong place wrong time running into a person who had a gun.

They might have startled this person at the end of the pier unintentionally. But that's

that's all we know. So it from what I've been told, what police investigation has turned

up so far, what they've been able to share with me and with Loyola University. We don't believe

there's costs for broader community concern at this time.

Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing was teed up by that reporter or anybody else about

the duck walk killer and whether this is part of a serial killer thing that happened back

in 2018. Nothing. You're fucking lying. Just own it. And that bullshit about she might

have startled. Well, you're just making shit up. He was there lying and waiting with

the gun dressed in black and a mask and chased her and shot her in the back. Stop trying

to minimize it. You are hashtag part of the problem. Madam, she doesn't care. She doesn't

this. We read you her resume yesterday. This is like a DEI obsessed leftist progressive.

I guarantee you if Sheridan Gorman or black, her messaging would be entirely different.

He's going back to her priors because the perp here is a Hispanic from Venezuela and

the dead American is a young, beautiful white girl from Westchester, New York, from Yorktown

Heights. Screw you, all their woman. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Along with

Illinois governor JB Pritzker, a Democrat who has been no better. We told you yesterday

about his statement where he also failed to acknowledge that the accused killer happens

to be in the country illegally. Does anyone think that's relevant? Does anyone think it

might be worth a mention to point out that this guy was an illegal? And then Pritzker

was asked about his message to Sheridan's parents, okay? Because he decided to offer

some empathy. Thanks so much for her parents and to blame Donald Trump.

What do you say to Sheridan's parents, Tom and Jessica Gorman, when they blame policies,

against those in Illinois and for their daughter's murder?

This has been a terrible tragedy and I know that the Gorman family has suffered mightily.

I agree there have been real failures. Those failures of course extend beyond the borders

of Illinois that's their national failures, a failure to have comprehensive immigration

reform, a failure of the president to follow his own edict to go after the worst of the

worst. And in my view, we have a lot of work that we need to continue to do, but it is

the job of the federal government to go after immigration enforcement.

The nerve, the absolute goal to blame the absence of comprehensive immigration reform.

Not a word about Joe Biden, the guy came in under Biden in 2023, not a damn word.

It's about Trump and the absence of comprehensive immigration reform and then at the end, Trump

and his policies. Not only did Trump, of course, obviously run on reversing Biden's open

border, which he did and on deporting all the illegals, but then he tried. Trump tried.

He tried sending ice to Chicago, not any place in Illinois to Chicago. And the reason that

didn't work out is because of that man, Governor Pritzker had this man allowed Trump to

send ice into Chicago to clean up Joe Biden's illegal immigration problem. Shared in Gorman

might still be alive. The reason Trump would stop from doing that is that fat bastard.

It was Governor Pritzker who stopped it. In fact, in the last few months, his attacks on

Trump's immigration policies have been nonstop. Here's just a small sample.

What President Trump is doing is unprecedented and unwarranted. It is unconstitutional. It

is un-American. Find a family who's enjoying today sitting on their front porch and ask

if they want their neighborhoods turned into a war zone by a wannabe dictator.

Our small businesses suffer when our residents and visitors who are shopping and eating are

made to feel unsafe by the jackbooted thugs roaming around a peaceful downtown.

Make sure that you understand that the ice officials don't have a right to knock down

doors to take people away, thinking of you and doing everything we can to protect you.

So this is dangerous. They shouldn't be doing it. It's anti-American. It's un-American.

It's an attack on the American people by the President of the United States.

Ice needs to take it down about three knots. Ice is a bunch of untrained and unqualified people

that it's like it's become some sort of secret police force for Donald Trump.

He actually had the nerve notwithstanding that to say this is a failure. This happened

because of Trump's failure to go after the worst of the worst. Oh my God.

He fought him in the media. He fought him in the courts. He did everything within his

power to get Trump and ice out of Illinois and out of Chicago in particular.

And by the way, this guy Medina would not have been on the list of the worst of the worst

because all he had prior to this was a shoplifting arrest, even under Tom Homan's protocol that

would not qualify. It's unbelievable the nerve of this guy to actually try to blame this

on Donald Trump. I like I'm stunned. I guess I shouldn't be. I should be more cynical

up by this point in my news career. I just it's stomach turning. A girl is dead. Take

some responsibility. Change your policy. Do something. Do something resembling anything

to keep your citizens the Americans safe. This isn't even touching on his refusal to fight

crime in his state. Never mind the disgusting Chicago mayor who's 10 times worse than

either this older woman or the governor. If that's even possible. But Pritzker wants

a national future right now. Pritzker wants to be the Democratic nominee. There are some

Democrats running. There's not one I would vote for, but there are some Democrats running.

I'm sure who are like decent people who have just diametrically opposed political views

to those of my own and maybe many of yours. But this this level of dishonesty gaslighting

refuses to take responsibility when you're watching young 18 year old American girls

get shot to death is beyond F.D. up. Like this is an incredibly cynical and dark and really

exposes a depraved moral character. A depraved moral character. And are we surprised?

This is the same family that's been shoving the transgender ideology on our kids in schools

for years now for decades now. That's his family. The Pritzkers. There's something sick

about them. Literally they don't care about the health and wellness of American children,

whether it's an 18 year old girl named Sheridan Gorman or your children going to their schools

not wanting to be transitioned by teachers with an agenda without the inclusion of parents on

even the notion that there is gender confusion by a child. This is like the Pritzkers are villains

in my view. This is an evil family. He's not the only Democrat with an extreme position on

immigration that you know. Here's House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries saying he's still

still doesn't know whether Medina should be deported and he appears to know nothing about this case.

A new legal immigrant has been charged with murdering a college student in Chicago last week

to House Democrats believe if he's convicted he's someone who should be deported.

I'll look into the case. He doesn't know anything. I bet he knows who Alex Prede is.

I bet he knows the name Renee Good. Does he know the name Rachel Moran? Do you think he knows that name?

You know, he might know Lake and Riley by this point since we have an act named after her

in actual law. Do you think he knows Jocelyn Nungari? Do you think he keeps up to date

on the latest young American girl shot to death by an illegal that his party allowed into

this country? It was a very easy question. A young American teenager was murdered and he's not

sure that if the suspect is convicted he should be deported. It should be the easiest yes of his

political career. Like that aren't you somewhat politically savvy? Isn't that how you become the House

minority leader like Hakeem Jeffries? But that's him pandering to his Democrat base.

The pander is to never attack an illegal. Why would you do that? We're on the side of the

illegal's over on Team Blue. Definitely the answer is I don't know. At a minimum is I don't know.

It's definitely not yes. I want him gone. My God. Why would you say that? That's political suicide

on the left. The heartlessness with which this is happening and being handled is stomach turning

and there should be accountability for them at the ballot box and on the phone lines right now.

I mean honestly to me is it? I know we're going to talk about the Iran war later. It's not good.

Trump's approval ratings are in a free fall. He's losing double digits, young men,

independence and so on. You still have of course you have to vote Republican. I'm sorry. I don't

care how mad you are at the Republican Party. This is what you get death on the American streets.

If you vote Democrat, I'm sorry. If the Democrats weren't so insane. If it were like your grandads

Republican Party or Democrat Party, maybe, maybe, but they don't care. They're the ones who

caused it. They opened the borders without a thought for what it would do and now that it's

catching up with them. That's as you get from Hakeem Jeffries. I don't know. I'll look into it.

I'm who the fuck is Sharon Gorman. It's really what he's saying. I find this disgusting. And who

is it you guys? We have, there's a sound bite who is like, oh, it was Chris Murphy. Do we have

that cut? Chris Murphy. It's a sound bite that's circulated in 2024. He's from my new home state

Connecticut. So he said this in 2024, but it's getting recirculated now. This is just,

this is the perfect evidence of the leftist attitude on this issue. Listen to this.

Well, I mean, Chris, that's been a failed play for 20 years. So you are right that that has been

the Democratic strategy for 30 years maybe. And it has failed to deliver for the people we care

about most to the undocumented Americans that are in this country. Undocumented Americans

are the people we care about most. There is so much that's wrong with that. He won't say illegal.

He won't say illegal, alien, illegal, illegal immigrant, an undocumented American. No

senator. The problem is they're not American. There's no such thing as an undocumented American.

If you are an American, you are documented. You have a birth certificate, probably a passport

and a driver's license proving that you are an American. That undocumented American is not a thing.

And what you're really trying to say is a nicer dressed up fake lie lying term for illegal

immigrant. And those are not the people you should care about most. As one of your constituents,

senator, I urge you to care about my children and the other children of Connecticut more than you

care about the quote undocumented. I demand that you take steps to protect the Americans,

actual Americans who live in this state and in all this country before you sing to us about

the people you care the most, the undocumented. What the f? It's exactly that attitude that got

Sheridan Gorman killed that made people like Chris Murphy not object to Joe Biden's open border,

Governor Pritzker, fight tooth and nail to keep ice out of Chicago and Illinois where they might

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There's a lot happening in the news right now. Of course since Trump's attentions are international

so are most of the news media but this is an important story. This is and it's just the latest

in an ongoing dark saga. And let's just be honest of in too many cases, young American girls

getting killed by these monsters. It's not all girls. Of course we did a long

piece on YouTube which is still up there. I urge you to go look at it highlighting some of the

men and the women and the young ones who have been killed in America by these illegals.

Oftentimes it's police officers who are just trying to do their jobs. Oftentimes it's innocence.

All stripes and sizes who get killed by drunk driver illegals. But the ones who get attacked on

the street tend to be young American girls. Girls like 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungare who was

sexually assaulted by two of them before they threw her over a bridge in Texas. Girls like that.

I refused to stop calling attention to this. I told you yesterday that Sheridan's mom Jessica

we found out is one of our Megan Kelly show community members. She's one of us.

She's one of us. She sat here day by day just like you guys do and God bless you and thank you

and watch this show and supported it and learned from it and participated in it and actually

went so far as to show up at our white planes tour stop in the fall dressed in her red, white and blue.

She and her sister and her friend wearing the Charlie Kirk freedom t-shirt.

And that day just like all the rest of the days especially in the fall we were all mourning the

loss of Charlie and clearly she and her family and friends felt the two in their freedom

shirts and their stars and stripes. Her love of this country ought to be sustained and verified

and we ought to be worthy of it and we ought to elect leaders who are worthy of it.

Hakim Jeffries you're not it. Chris Murphy not you either. Governor JB Pritzker you are despicable.

Dispicable.

Okay I want to turn the page or I want to just talk about this one story before we bring on

a guy I've been wanting to talk to over a long time his name is Kurt Mills. He runs the American

conservative which is a publication that's all about being conservative but they're more non-interventional

so he's got some views we want to discuss but before we get to that something extraordinary happened

yesterday with many friends of this show about Charlie Kirk you know not even indirectly pretty

directly Michael Schellenberger you know him he comes on all the time love him great reporter he

interviewed Joe Kent the now former counterterrorism chief who quit over the Iran war and has been making

the media rounds including on this show last Friday. And Schellenberger zeroed in with Joe Kent on

Joe's suggestion that the Charlie Kirk investigation has been mishandled by the feds.

It's in the hands of the Utah State authorities now but the FBI was very much involved in this

and he suggested to me to talk her to others that there were potential international connections

to Charlie's murder around Tyler Robinson in tandem with Tyler Robinson unclear he's not saying

Tyler did not pull the trigger that were not adequately investigated in his view we talked in part

about a group chat that Charlie was part of prior to his death in which he lamented what was

happening with the pressures being put on him by Jewish donors he was angry he wanted it to stop

and he made clear that he was considering giving back donations he had received from Jewish donors

because he was so sick of being pressured not to have people like Candace at his events not to

platform people like Tucker and here is in part what was written in the text that Joe has been

discussing Joe Kent and that we now know were provided to Joe Kent by Andrew Colvet of turning

point after Charlie's death because Andrew thought as well this may suggest an Israeli link to

Charlie's death and I ought to tell the FBI about it or in this case the feds I happen to know

that Andrew sent this text chain not just to Joe Kent but to one other fed so you know those

of you who are like that must mean Joe Kent is the leaker because it got leaked to Candace Owens

not necessarily it could have been somebody who worked for Joe Kent it could have been Joe Kent

he denied it and it could have been this other fed who Andrew provided the text chain to but here's

what Charlie wrote this is 48 hours before he died just lost another huge Jewish donor two

million a year because we won't cancel Tucker I'm thinking of inviting Candace uh

then Charlie writes Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes I cannot and will not be bullied

like this leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause and then the person he's corresponding

with says please don't invite Candace that might feel good short term but it's not good long term

in my opinion like all groups you're going to get a wide variety of opinions that that nasty free

will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times and goes on okay so this

has turned over to the feds investigating Charlie's death and in Joe Kent's view the possibility of an

Israeli connection of some sort whether you know a domestic or an actual international like an

Israeli an actual Israeli was not adequately looked into and I happen to know that there is at

least one other lead on that front which I'm not at liberty to divulge because it was given to

me off the record and you cannot report off the record information that's all I'm going to say

about it I've worked for a long long time to get it on the record and I cannot get the permission

that's fine but I am guessing I've never spoken to Joe Kent privately none of my information comes

from him but I am guessing that Joe Kent knows of this thing that does raise raise questions about

Israelis again not to impune Israelis at all I'm just saying it it's not completely made up out of

whole cloth there was at least one other suggestion that that should have been run down that's all I'm

going to say I don't believe the Israelis killed Charlie I think it was Tyler Robinson I think if

he had help it was by trans Tifa but I don't begrudge anyone asking these questions because I've

read the Charlie text chain and I know some other things and I just think it's prudent it's prudent

given how important Charlie was to the conservative movement and to the Israel issue and his evolving

state of mind on the issue which was a threat to Israel and those who support it you know politically I

mean that you you would have to look into that you would he was assassinated by somebody so in an

event that Joe Kent believes that too and Shellenberger asked him about whether now he's made himself

a potential witness for the defense meaning Tyler Robinson at Tyler's eventual trial for Charlie's

murder listen here I mean have you thought about that the that Robinson's defense attorneys may

you know call you and to be a witness yeah no I'm I've considered I understand I think it's just

a lot of people that look at Tyler Robinson and go this is not shocking at all there's no there's

nothing missing from this there's no there's no evidence that he had accomplices a and now you're

just kind of speculating and and but more than because of who you are that that could actually end

up derailing the prosecution of the the guy that murdered Charlie Kirk yeah I'm sure that's

fair criticism uh I just uh from from my vantage point I I don't see I did not see I should say

I did not see the the investigation being thoroughly done I don't think what I'm gonna say is

gonna knock the the defense of socks off or the juries so I am confident in in what I know and

what I'm saying and if I end up having to go play that role then you know I'll do it but it seems

to me that you know your testimony you know will be incredibly important to the Robinson defense

yeah I mean then then honestly so be it if it gets us to this truth

so it says it has no desire to testify for the defense in this prosecution but if called to

talk about what he knows in terms of whether the feds investigated this and not he'll he'll do it

now I just want to follow up with we asked Joe Kent when he was on about this issue

because the FBI was investigating this case along with the Utah authorities and kind of ask him

what what he had to do with it why why was the National Counterterrorism Center involved

because what happened was he apparently looked at some FBI file and got his hands

lapped by a cash Patel reportedly who didn't want him budding in like a turf war kind of thing

and I asked him about that here's a little bit of that exchange when he sat down with me less

than a week ago um in stock 25b would that have been your job Joe to consider that peace or cash

Patels a combination but if there is foreign involvement that that that's where the National

Counterterrorism Center comes in because we have more robust and broad authorities to investigate

the foreign angle the FBI has the more broad and robust authorities to investigate the domestic

gamble so who has the ability to shut you down from that so really the the way it happened was

it initially it was just like hey the FBI says you guys can't look into the case file and when the

case file is kind of world of data is and you're done you guys can't work here anymore you guys

can't work on this case anymore um we argued that we should still be involved in that case and we

we won the argument we got kind of put back on the case um but then after a while uh the government

has a great way of making things just die in a process and so essentially all of our requests

our ability to investigate it was cut off our request to investigate but we're kind of taken

in a way and sort of died in the process so you get it it would have been his job to investigate

the international connection if any and cash Patels job to investigate what was happening domestically

and he felt that there was a bit of a turf war going on and that they were slow rolled right out

of the case even once they'd been restored as having permission to look into it that the government

has a way of making that very difficult for you and he felt that that was done to him clearly he's

speaking about the FBI um I haven't spoken to cash Patel I'm sure he would deny that though I

I feel compelled to say so Andrew Colvet and Blake Neff who were also on this show two weeks ago

who works for Charlie and are now doing Charlie's show in the wake of his death

we're not happy with that exchange between Shellenberger and Joe Kent and here's some of their

reaction yesterday I'd be shocked if Robinson's attorneys don't use this well of course this is

the obvious result of this that's what infuriates me is he's like endlessly he's like someone who's

vague posting on Facebook where he's like who there's there's things I might know people should know

I might but I can't tell you what those are but I can't say what you actually think happened this

really does have a potential to not only taint a jury pool but to undermine the very prosecution

of Tyler Robinson who I am a hundred percent convinced pulled the trigger and killed Charlie Kerr

I am for asking questions this is why I shared the group chat with Joe Kent in the first place I'm

not afraid of the answer to those questions if Israel had a hand in killing Charlie I want to know

what I am telling you is that we've had six months plus since that time to track down all those

leads none of which have been corroborated none of which have actionable evidence behind you have

to have facts in the recklessness with which these accusations are being thrown out now has real

world implications okay I completely understand Andrew and Blake being upset about this they do not

want to do anything to shore up Tyler Robinson's defense and I grant them total and complete grace on

that reaction but as a legal matter they really don't need to worry okay and I'm going to get to

why in one second but before I do taint to the jury pool but that's always something you have

to worry about somewhat but in case after case after case we have seen very very ubiquitous media

coverage and it can be handled in voidier by prosecutors that that's what they will do that's

what they would have done in the Brian Colberger trial where they would have explored the many many

media exposés on the case and the many many theories that were circulating all over social media

that Colberger didn't do it there's a large faction that maintains that to this day they were

very loud on social media and had all sorts of theories and podcasts and so on about how he

wasn't the killer now he's course admitted he was but that that was something that the prosecutors

were going to have to deal with and prosecutors state-to-state in today's day and age have to deal

with that anyway because it's a true crime community now you know like I was just talking to my

well I'll reveal this newsletter but we may have a little true crime news for you coming up but

it's it's growing and it's very popular and it happens in cases that you know about in cases

that you don't where there are very strong local there's very strong local interest in it and

becomes a podcast thing or internet fodder in some way shape or form it can be dealt with taint

but the notion that it's it's going to go beyond that that it's going to undermine the very

prosecution of Tyler Robinson as Andrew said and he said who I'm 100% convinced pulled the trigger

and killed Charlie me too same and Andrew and I've talked about it many times privately and publicly

the notion that it's going to undermine the prosecution I think is incorrect and I think in

Andrew and Blake's defense they were set up to get to this point by the way Shellenberger who I

love presented this he presented it as I've spoken with a constitutional law attorney and that

person says this is definitely going to play a role and this is going to potentially help Tyler

Robinson at trial. I think Shellenberger spoke to the wrong person he spoke to sorry yeah I

I spoke he spoke to the wrong person he shouldn't have spoken to a constitution kind of law lawyer

he should have spoken to a criminal defense attorney or a prosecutor criminal prosecutor

talk to an actual criminal prosecutor or defense attorney this is not coming into evidence

it's not coming into evidence it's just not the only way this theory about whoever I don't even

know who it necessarily would be is it Israel is it Jewish donors to turning point if you go off

of the Charlie text I don't know who exactly the people who completely buy this theory think it is

but let's say it's one of those groups the only way that's coming in is if there is actual evidence

to support it a text expressing consternation by Charlie is not going to open that door it is not

now Joe Kent saying there were six major leads that pointed to the Israelis that were not

pursued and here's what they were and and can get really specific and it may be a pretrial hearing

where they could get into that maybe that could open a door that's not what he has that's not

what he has at all in fact Shellenberger really pressed him I'm like what other evidence is there

and he didn't cite any he wasn't able to say trust me there's a lot

he seemed to just be saying like I got shut down on the investigation there was something there

I wanted to pursue it and I smelled something but I wasn't allowed to do anything well that's not

going to be enough I mean I'm sure Tyler Robinson's attorneys are going to be sad that it's not

enough but my own instincts as a lawyer for 10 plus years a litigator and I've tried cases

and and then I check with Arthur Idala who is a legit trial attorney criminal defense had

one time been a prosecutor and Matt Murphy long time criminal prosecutor so I've got both sides

weighing in with me and a couple of others who I called all agreed not one wiggled at all saying

there is not a chance in hell that this gets admitted by the Robinson defense and even less chance

that Joe Kent gets called at a witness unless there's some treasure trove of other evidence that

Joe Kent remembers oh gee there were those six clues it was the Israelis that I I did send to cash

and he didn't let me pursue that that's not what's happening though here okay so I don't think

they need to worry about what's going to happen at the Charlie trial and the last thing is though

on this I also don't think this settles the matter about whether some place said clues might be

present at or why we haven't actually bothered to know we haven't bothered to actually investigate

because I believe Joe Kent that he was effectively shoved off of this I don't know by whom

I believe it for many reasons and I don't know why that happened

but I'll tell you that you know when I talk to Joe Kent personally he talked about

there being additional leads that were not investigated and that's why when Andrew says

we've had six months plus since that time that I sent this to the FBI and well to Joe

Joe Kent and maybe another Fed to track down all those leads none of which have been corroborated

none of which has actionable evidence that that presumes facts not in evidence

that that there has been an investigation of this angle of the story and I would submit we just

don't know whether that's true what we know from Joe Kent is there wasn't and it's one of the

many questions I think I still have about this case why why would you shut that down it's not

the only one where's the arrest of the trans Tifa mob that clearly knew about this beforehand

who's investigating that why does it take six months to figure out whether all the people posting

that Charlie Kirk was going to get shot on September 10th whether they how they knew that

like at least come out and tell us why why hasn't there been an arrest have you investigated

anybody who who have you spoken to how did they know this did they all just get lucky

all right so it's not just stop with like the anti-Semitic it's not fucking look at Charlie's

texts all right it's just let's let's just know nothing should be off limits so I love Andrew

and I love Blake but I think that they're not right that everything has been investigated and

here's Joe Kent again less than a week ago to me directly 25A and all I can really truly say is

that there were additional leads that we needed to run down and fully investigate and then that's

just simply was not done from basically from the time that Tyler Robinson turned himself in who

was arrested and his fingerprints were found on the the rifle they basically they being the FBI said

hey this is now going to go over to the Utah law enforcement and we are we are not investigating

anything further and there's a lot of back and forth about that because there were still and

again not just my opinion and in the opinion of the Nathapometer incident there was other leads

for us to run down and I even spoke with members of the FBI or kind of the ground level and they

agreed with me we wanted to continue to investigate and so all I can say with with authority right

now is that there were additional leads for us to run down the scope that we had of foreign

involvement we did not get an opportunity to run down all of those potential leads and I think

Charlie Kirk deserves justice I think people deserve the truth about what happened on that day not

trying to be cryptic what I'm saying is that there were things that we still needed to investigate

that were not investigated so to sum up in my view this is a matter of government accountability

responsibility and open-mindedness to a real investigation that would cover any and all clues

around who might have had involvement but I do not think in any way shape or form as it looks

right now this results in any help to Tyler Robinson you cannot just say there were things the

government should have run down in my view but they didn't and get that in front of a jury that's

not going to happen so I think there was a level of alarm yesterday on this that was perhaps not

warranted though completely sincere and understandable and I think we should take a deep breath

on the trial of Tyler Robinson which I think will be well handled I think he will be convicted

there is a mountain of evidence against him and the only questions I have are what's been done

to investigate trans Tifa and why haven't those leads that Joe can't mentioned again at least one

of which I've been told about not by him off the record aren't why aren't they being investigated

like what where is the definitive answer on that because Joe can't just left the counterterrorism

a week ago he left his chief a week ago and he would know if they'd been investigated so the

answer cannot be we looked into it because it was his group that would have been charged with it

his group would have been charged with it and what you heard him say there was they were effectively

shut down on it okay so that's where that stands um love to get your thoughts on it up next

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Joining me now Kurt Mills he's the executive director of the American conservative

Kurt thanks so much for joining us um big fan and uh love the publication

in the model of Pat Buchanan who has been my own sort of sage over the past year I've

done a lot of reading of Pat Buchanan and my god he called so much of what we're experiencing

right now and interestingly was diminished on the world stage by being called an anti-semite

Kurt uh patterns repeat themselves indeed indeed uh I would like to say that we improve

as a species but I think the jury's out yeah the same um let me kick it off with this general

stannual general general Stanley McChrystal gave an interview to the New York Times he was for

our younger audience the guy who commanded our troops in Afghanistan from like 2003 to 2008

and was very bad-ass was the one who really killed like the the worst of the worst um in terms of

the uh enemy and was almost universally beloved by the troops you know Air Force guy like army

and then ultimately commanded the Air Force and um he got booted by Barack Obama because he said

something negative about um Joe Biden I think it was I think he's actually ripped on the vice

president and Barack Obama recalled him in an event very very well respected general

so he sat down and given interview to the New York Times and set something that really jumped

out at me about people who are quote enjoying this war um and what he says to them here it is in

sat 19 we could bomb Iraq pretty easily we could even take Baghdad with relativ ease

we could get rid of the existing government but once we wanted to change the

reality on the ground who actually controlled things how things worked now you're not at 30

thousand feet you're at six feet and you're the same height as your potential opponent and

I tell people about this war if you like this war enjoy this first part because this is the

best part because everything after this will be harder you see the reality that all of the

resentment you create through what you do now at some point comes back to you I think that for

everyone we kill in bombing Iran they have a brother sister father mother and they are unlikely

to go oh yeah it's okay you kill my father but yeah it was geopolitical necessity on your part

that's not the way we respond and so it's sometimes it's necessary I don't deny that some wars

are just and required but no wars that I'm familiar with are neat clean or produce the kind of

outcome we actually want they produce this messy thing that might be better than before the war

but it's not a lot better so in short we're risking a lot and for what game and he seems to be

asking that same question here similar question to what you've been asking let me ask it this way

to kick things off how do you think it's going right now in Iran well look I think

General McChrystal is a good man he's probably much more establishment than I am it's very

interesting to see how he evolved over the last 15 years when he was ousted from the administration

or from the leadership in the military he was criticizing Barack Obama and also Joe Biden

really Joe Biden more than anyone else back then Joe Biden say what you will

fought internally against the surge at the Obama administration the early Obama administration

was trying to do in Afghanistan something that I think you know years as the years have wowed

on it was something Barack Obama himself didn't really even really believe in and so it's I think

it's big to see McChrystal say this his contemporary at the time David Petraeus before the

Iran war warned against this war pretty much he said that it was actually remarkable that the US

had been so lucky in the Maduro raid that no special forces members had been killed that could

easily have been killed and so it is it is it is heartening to see for better or worse you know

the sort of general class the retired general class complain about some of the maneuvers here which

is not something that we saw nearly as much in the global war on terror at least in the 2010s the

General Mattices are also out there ripping on it yeah you know that was Trump's Pentagon chief

and he's also expressed major doubts about whether we can accomplish our goals in this war keep going

I think I look I think the war is not going well if the if if you define it as I mean the basic US

definition was we wanted everything in the world with no costs you know we wanted to kill the

leadership of Iran we wanted to replace it peacefully with our people we wanted to keep Israel

on side and and we wanted to keep the mega coalition together that was basically the White House's

goal and that's obviously fails spectacularly the Iranian goal is survival and then additionally

within the Iranian government itself there are probably partners sorry there are probably forces

within the Iranian government that are actually pretty happy by how this has has gone all things

considered there are basically two views on al-Ahman a the supreme leader view number one he was

keeping the system together and view me up view number two which I'm more persuaded by which

was that he was an 88 or 87-year-old Jared Decrat that was you know in the way of you know more

ambitious younger people including maybe his son depending on his on his position I mean basically

the Iranians are have developed into a ahunta they are run by the revolutionary guards and they

have discovered a new toy which is that they can shut down the straight-of-formers they always

theoretically knew that but it's one thing to know something in theory and to see it in practice

so let's zoom out here on March 25th it is hard to see how the United States is better off

for this war and if that is the goal if the goal of a war is to have strategic gains this war

was a clear error it seems like notwithstanding some of these setbacks because this drone program

that the Iranians have has been incredibly pesky to put it mildly we're getting ready to double

and triple down now there's the big question the big question right now is whether Trump

is actually going to use all the ground troops who are currently en route to the Middle East

today it's been reported that the Pentagon is expected to order roughly 3000 troops

from the Army's elite 82nd Airborne Division to the Middle East in the coming hours according

to the Wall Street Journal and then there was another unit that had been spatched we had

Marines already and sailors en route and what people are asking is are we actually going to use

them or is this just a scare tactic by Trump to improve our hand at whatever negotiating table

we may or may not be at remains unclear exactly who's negotiating with whom and how but

do you think we actually are going to start unleashing thousands of American ground troops in Iran?

I think at this point given how this has gone every time that President Trump has mobilized

military assets he's eventually used them it might take you know he initially started

mobilizing these assets in January he used them by the end of February so I think

base case we are going to do it I think that there is a mobilization and effort to try to

potentially take this this thing called Carter Island which is you know in the Persian Gulf

right off the coast of mainland Iran I think its military value and financial value is devious

and overstated but I think hawks on Iran are going to persuade Trump to try to you know take it

piece by piece and I think you could see it be a potential mass fatality event what is mass fatalities

I mean if there could be hundreds of Americans killed in trying to take this thing yeah it's very

very very very very worrying I'm not sure the decision is made I think Trump probably changes his

mind on how to approach this war hour by hour is a day to day player but I think that the base case

that there is going to be some movement I think they're you know they keep trying to move the over

to window on this and I think at the beginning of the war you know they said that well maybe we

do a little ground troops and remember before the run up to the war that was always seen as you know

only the only the realists and the restrainers are are making all this noise about ground troops

no one's talking about ground troops no one's talking about ground troops well alone behold

March 1 the administration was talking about ground troops and I think they were for a reason

it's it's mission creep that's what people are worried about on this it's

the very same term my husband text me when I'm inside the grocery store and I said I only

had to go in for one item and 45 minutes later he's still waiting for me outside mission creep

only here we're talking about life and death and there is a real question about

no it's just a minor incursion you know basically this small excursion is how President Trump phrased

it and now we've got literally thousands of American troops on their way to Iran and you know

that there there was another former military guy this is former CIA officer Mark Polly Moropolis

who's making the rounds on podcasts and he said this yesterday similar to what you just said

here it is about 20 there's some very good open source intelligence sites that we've seen a

flow of the special operations commands kind of lead elements armies delta force seal team six the

task force 160 that's the US special operations aviation 75th Ranger regiment they also have been

been going to the Middle East on C-17s multiple flights over the last 48 hours so we're seeing

the deployment of what are ground forces and so I think that's something that you know one should

take note of in particular because in the past when Trump has done this whether it's the

Venezuel operation with Maduro or the initial kickoff in Iran you know when he moves military assets

he actually uses them and in particular we also have to remember that the Marine Expeditionary Unit

the one coming from the Pacific that will be on station by Friday in the area too so that's

another contingent of marine so there are forces there are ground forces flowing to the region

the reason I think Trump would not do it are mostly political right that he there the polls are

overwhelmingly against this including Republicans the only a smattering of Republicans want to see

ground troops unleashed in Iran so Trump knows that and also I think notwithstanding the fact that

he seems to have been dazzled by the presentations made to him by the military industrial complex and

its supporters at Fox News and elsewhere I do think that he's fundamentally anti-war like I think

he got excited about what happened in Venezuela he got excited about what we did in Iran in June

he had people he trusted and watched too much on Fox News getting his ear about how amazing this

could be for us but I think like at his core I think he is anti-war and does he really want to be

the guy that commands three to five thousand American ground troops in Iran where he knows that

death toll and those dover you know dignified transfer ceremonies are going to go up in a way

that will be truly difficult for the nation and him look I'm very concerned I would have

agreed with you fully a month ago but I think at this point structurally what is going on here is

that until President Trump tells Israel and he tells Benjamin Netanyahu no this war will not end

and so you alluded to it there's a there's a potential is not about track track to negotiate a settlement

to this war but the reality is the Iranians are not going to agree to the exact same package

they turned down a month ago they are they feel it I don't want to say strengthened but it

boldened by how they've done the last three weeks and if Trump is not willing to broker an

America first peace deal with the Iranians then I think he will have to go to war he will have to

keep he's already at war he will have to escalate in the war and that that's just my concern and

you know I'm not sure it's the die as cast I'm not sure it's fed a complete you already have you

know elements within Israeli society clearly anxious that Trump is going to cut bait you have

new conservatives in the United States the Wall Street Journal editorial board certain members

the Fox News basically the Murdoch machine that are nervous about it so like you know I think it's

always very dumb to think the history is written but I do think that if unless he tells Netanyahu

no unless he tells Israel no they're going to keep marching on this.

Not no talk of Israeli troops on the ground by the way just the Americans.

Here's I want to run this by Victor Davis Hansen who we love who went through a very scary

surgery recently for a cancer scare he had involving his lung is now getting back out there he's

going to come on the program soon he's not yet healthy enough to do like a full hour sit down with

us and he will be here just as soon as he is but he's done bit bit pieces you know where he's

appeared here or there for 10 minutes and we got to hear him just a little bit on Hannity this

is on Thursday so it's a few days old but here's how he described how things are going he's an

honest broker and he's a war expert and we love him so I wanted to get your reaction as a more

skeptical person around this war to what he's saying it's up 22 and when people say well we

didn't have an imminent threat we didn't have an imminent threat when they took our hostages

when they blew up our barracks nobody said we better attack around because we need an

intimate threat when they blew up our embassy they never they always acted spontaneously

with surprises and we never knew what they were going to do so the idea you have to have a

telegraphed imminent threat it's not the nature of that regime it's lying disguise and dissimulation

and that's their pattern for the last 47 years but nobody's taken the theory every president said

we're going to deal with this all seven of them and all seven of them did not and then all seven of

them when they got out of office said I regret that I didn't there's enough evidence to see

how things are really going it's with Europeans would never agree to go anywhere near around unless

they thought the tide was turning and they wanted they they think that we're we're going to win

otherwise they would keep still and the the reason that the Pepto nations of the Gulf

survive is they have their finger in the wind and they're very attuned to the climate and when

you have Al Jazeera praising the United States bombing campaign and saying that it's been under

estimated and it's brilliant and effective you get the feeling that they think not only should the

United States finish a job but it can and will finish the job and then when you start to see

tactical aircraft like warthogs and Apache's that means that they're offering almost ground and

sea support to to hit targets there's there's nothing there's no defense at all when you have

that type of aircraft flying at will in Iranian airspace so you put it all together and I think

it's pretty clear that this RoboDope strategy that they have that we're going to tire before

they are is dependent on just public opinion the midterms in the United States and

Trump sees it through and I think he will I think they're going to fall pretty soon in two three four

weeks what do you make of that Kurt yeah I hope he gets better but I think that's a dissembling

and inaccurate portrait of what's going on I mean first of all there's just basic facts he got

wrong I'm not aware of any president who has been president during the Iranian

release of the public's existence that stated that they regretted that they didn't go harder on it

in fact it's it's the opposite Carter's presidency was destroyed by a failed special forces raid

Carter's presidency was destroyed by trusting the Hawks and not working out a pragmatic deal with

a new leadership in Iran Reagan didn't say anything of this sort Clinton diddo

George W. Bush fought the Iran Hawks to his credit in his second term after making a mess

of the world in the first term Obama signed a deal with the Iranians Biden while probably more

hawkish on Iran than Obama didn't say anything of the cons to the contrary and his relationship with

Netanyahu helped undermine him with the Gaza protests so I mean if anything it's it was Trump

who was the first president to relent to Israeli pressure on Iran so I don't know what he's saying

seeing there you know secondarily like look you know pass us a prologue and Mr. Hansen's a nice man

but he was a vociferous champion of the Iraq war you know he was he's the opposite of Papi

cannon or the founder of our magazine and you know I think military military historians occasionally

can lapse into becoming war fetishists and I think his strategic analysis is just wrong I think

he knows a lot about World War II and about ancient history and he gave you way more details about

those battles than I can but his perspective his prescriptive analysis is atrocious I mean we would

have done a lot better the last 25 years by just doing the opposite of what Victor Davis Hansen

wanted geopolitically oh my beautiful VDH took a beating there but he'll be back on and we'll ask

him directly now I take your point you're basically just saying he's way more hawkish than you are

and then that one quarter of the Republicans are and that he hasn't always been right like backing

the war in Iraq which I also did and have lived regret okay I mean I'm in my defense I knew nothing

I was a young Fox News anchor I did as instructed by my bosses who are still pushing war on us

all these years later not to excuse myself but just to contextualize it the consequences to

Trump politically are already being felt and they are significant and you know as somebody who

is an American conservative I imagine you're alarmed about what I'm seeing and what you're seeing

in these polls as well like I don't think it's all about the Iran war I think it has largely

to do mostly to deal with the economy but being looking like you're distracted and focused on

you know Iran instead of Illinois is not a great thing for any American president and

Harry Anton over at CNN just did a rundown of the numbers and in particular the numbers on

American men and how it's going for Trump with American men hold on we have it here

sat 12 Donald Trump and Republicans won in 2024 because of support from male voters the only

way they can win given the gender gap in this country is support from male voters and male voters

are abandoning Donald Trump in November of 2024 he'd be Kamala Harris among them by 13 points

by 13 points look at where he is now on his net uprooting down he goes it's a 20-point shift

away from Donald Trump he is now seven points underwater at this particular point among men I think

it is very difficult for Republicans to do well in this midterm cycle if Donald Trump is under

water with men and look right here whoa yikes yikes yikes yikes men under the age of 25 on Trump

he won him in 2024 by five points look where he is now the net uprooting way down there down we go

to negative 19 points that's a nearly what is that nearly a 25 point switcheroo against the

president of the United States when it comes to men under the age of 45 those men that had switched

their allegiances over to the Republican Party are seeing what the president is doing they don't

like what the president is doing and they are very much soured on the president of the United States

that is no bueno curve notes no I mean it's it's a stake in the heart of what Trump is supposed to be

about and you know it's not as if you should advance the concerns exclusively of men under 45

but no one can really deny that that was in a lot of ways his base and why he was reelected in 2024

why he did better than he did in 2020 and why he did better than he did in 2016 and I think it belies

sorry it reveals how sort of radical the war contingent actually is it's basically older Americans

older conservatives who again supported a lot of these mistaken wars in the 2000s and in the past

and frankly it is a bunch of cynical careerists and a lot of foreigners this war is extremely

popular in Israel it's over 80% support in Israel it's under 30 it's under 40% in the United States

and as you mentioned for any escalation ground troops etc etc it gets it's dismal it gets dismal

from there the numbers just go go down further last night there was a there's a special election

in Florida in a house district that includes Mara Lago state house district 87 in Palm Beach

and it's it's a local election like a state house not not federal and it's been vacant since

since August of last year Trump won this district at the presidential level by 11 points last

November of November 2024 last night a Democrat won she's a business owner a military spouse

running for office for the first time she defeated the heavily favored Republican

John Maples who John Maples had received Trump's complete and total endorsement and her own

explanation on why she won was everyone's feeling the affordability crisis and the last thing Florida

families needed when they're struggling is $4 gas that's the problem I mean that's the other problem

for Republicans whether you want this war or support it or don't is you don't want to lose the

midterms and you really don't want to lose the White House over to the Democrats in 2028 and

the Harbingers at the state special election level are all bad universally bad across the board like

multiple red cities that Trump won in November of 24 now going Democrat in these special elections

by double digits sometimes as much as like 19 or 20 points to the dem in a Trump one district

so these are warning signs that we need to pay attention to if we don't want a blood bath in

November and then the following presidential election and they're not getting better things to this

war yeah I mean I also I think people are underrated to the degree to which Americans are

increasingly independent like literally registered independence I believe the numbers are

approximating about 40% depending on what surveys you believe so even if you see the the polling

just quote Republican voters it's a smaller smaller slice of the country than ever before same thing

with Democrats smaller smaller slice of the country than ever before at least in the modern era

and so you know that's how you're going to get these wild swings where Trump can win a district

by 11 to 15 points and lose it by five points less than 14 months later or less than 16 months later

and so you know I would not be sitting pretty and sanguine in the White House that Trump

is commanding a majority of Republican supporters on any given issue the reality is George W. Bush

left the presidency at 22% approval rating what does that tell you over half Republican supported

him even as the economy tanks and he lost two four and wars it's just sort of the nature of

partisanship over 80% of Democrats back president boat Joe Biden in June of 2024 and the Democratic

leadership cood him 30 days later so these you know these you know these surveys of support are

interesting only so far as they go there are tons of Americans who want to trust the president

there are tons of Americans who want to who are glad the Commonwealth Harris is not the president

but I think mapping the enthusiasm for this war mapping the enthusiasm for six dollar gas

is a tricky business and I would not be overconfident if I were president Trump's political advisors

well that's a problem because you don't win election with just your party only and even if you

just look at Republicans the latest poll out today but from Reuters shows one in four Republicans

opposes this war it only has 75% approval rating across the entire Republican party so that's not

even even if you got every single one of those you know three quarters of Republicans to go out there

and vote for him that doesn't win you an election you you need all of the party and some independence

generally to win and what we have here is he's got 25% of Republicans now posing him we saw

poll the other day saying also 25% of the electorate that put him in office which does include

independence are against this war so it's like he can say that the MAGA loyalists love the war

but he he needs more than that to stay in office to to keep Republicans in office so you've got

25% of those who put him in office opposing the war you got 25% now Republicans who are opposing

the wars that goes on and you have 69% of independence opposing the war 69% of independence

obviously 93% of Dems opposed they'd opposed anything he does but you you cannot win an election

with 69% of independence and 25% of Republicans opposing you I think the independent numbers by

some surveys they're worse than the Democratic numbers there is a contingent of basically older

Zionists sort of I don't know Biden wing Democrat basically you see it in you see the leadership

choices of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries they're a little low to to over criticize the

Iran war you would think the congressional Democrats would be all in on opposing this but they're

actually not it's actually the independence that are driving you know the opposition I think most

vociferously in the country they just don't have representation in Congress unfortunately but

they do but they do vote they do vote and they vote in the midterms and they vote in the presidency

yeah they have a representative sitting right here but I've been a long term

likewise for many many years likewise same year yeah I always say I would not put on anybody's

team jersey I just there's too many like scoundrels in each party who don't represent my interest

and nor do I sign on to anybody's uniform party platform I like being able to say I'll make my

decision you know what when it's time what you're what you're seeing right now is that you have

a sort of empires strikes back moment of the Bush Wing Republican Party and they're using Trump

as kind of a figurehead in mascot it's a it's a mega drag act and you know they these yes these

forces very much want to you know once Mr. Trump leaves the scene once he doesn't run for that

their term you know they they thank him for his service they thank him for the Iran war and then

they want a knife jade events and then they want to put Marco Rubio up or Ted Cruz up and go back

to businesses usual circa 2015 that's exactly right I mean the nerve of Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin

both of whom are two original never trumpers to now cloak themselves and mag a gear and act like

they've been with Trump all along and really Trump is just doing the bidding of the Republican

Party when Trump ran as a restrainer as somebody who is against war and now they look at people like

you and like me who believe Trump on that and who would really like to hold him to it as some sort

of turn codes you know unpatriotic discuss it it's like wait whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa we're still

where Trump said he was the entire time he ran and governed the first time.

Absolutely absolutely I mean it is it is heinous and disturbing for the country that the command

center the the nerve center seems to be of of the White House's media operation at this point

are people like Mark Levin Ben Shapiro the foundation for the fence of democracy's

Barry Weiss's media outfits these are people who also seepherously oppose Trump they oppose Trump

more in my opinion than Hillary Clinton the Clintons wanted Trump to be the nominee right to their

to their error politically but the never trumpers actually burned their party cards sometimes

literally not not actually an analogy they actually burned their party cards and they they

opposed Trump and why because you know it wasn't so much they said it was about his character and

the bankruptcy and the forces and all this stuff but I think they would have lumped it if he had been

with them on foreign policy and he was loud rude and unsparing on the mistakes of the Bush

presidency on the Iraq war on the unnecessary the lack of necessity of these foreign wars how

America was getting ripped off on the world stage I was wasting its time in the Middle East he was

unsparing on that in 2016 and he was unsparing in 2024 as well and a lot of ways Trump is best as

the politician as an insurgent I mean that 2020 campaign was pretty lame honestly the 2016 and

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well you know what people will say well he always he always make clear that Iran couldn't get a

nuclear weapon sure and that's really what led to this war well yeah but I mean

the but there's but there's been a willing conflation between no nuclear weapon and everything

else that was on the table so number one the guy that he just killed the Supreme Leader of Iran

not the trust him but he had issued a focwa in the early 2000s against nuclear weapons so we just

forgot potentially removed the most major impediment within the Iranian system to them actually

launching for a bomb his son or whoever's running Iran now the sort of junta of eight or nine people

in the IRGC they may just lunge for a crude weapon at this time or even try to buy it from North

Korea or something like this so number one we made it more likely that the Iranians will get a

nuclear weapon number two there was a willful conflation in the negotiations by the Israelis

by the new conservatives by opponents of any diplomacy and I would include the secretary of state

Marco Rubio who cast a lot of doubts on diplomacy throughout this process with that he there was a

willful conflation between no nuclear weapon and no nuclear enrichment the Iranians wanted to

maintain a pittance of enrichment to basically save face with their own population somewhere around

3.5 percent lower than Obama's JCPOA that is well well well below weapons grade approximately 90 percent

it's a fake issue and they knew in my opinion that Trump is not a details man he said it himself

the deal could be a page long and there was a conflation between no enrichment and no nuclear

weapon they don't they can they've been enriching since the end of JCPOA for years and they haven't

gotten a nuclear weapon you're right exactly and so now we don't know it's not an imminent threat

it's running Iran right now it's not an imminent threat I mean I mean VDS is wrong if it was an

imminent threat then it's been an imminent threat every day since I told a home in a you know came

down the plane in 1979 and I'm 35 years old and I haven't lived in mortal fear of the Iatola

all 35 years of my life yeah he hasn't been in front of lobe uh for you it hasn't been for

I got to the 90s the 2000s yeah so what do you make Kurt of the the the very active campaign to

silence any critics of this war as anti-Semites because not a day passes where a detractor

somebody who's got questions about this doesn't get called that word um the latest yesterday was

the despicable Josh Hammer decided to take a shot at Tulsi Gabbard I mean seemingly out of nowhere

because he found out that she had Joe Kent working for her um as her chief of staffer appeared

at time and therefore decided to go for her here it is in sat 23 multiple people around the same

time last fall and were in the exact date that Tulsi Gabbard who is the director of national intelligence

and she was Joe Kent's boss as the director of the natural capitalism center he works under Tulsi

Gabbard I was told by numerous people who are very much part of the conservative ecosystem in DC

these are well-sourced people strong connections to the White House they told me to be strongly

on the lookout for Tulsi Gabbard and her office they basically said that Tulsi Gabbard is running

something of a shadow operation from from her office that she is personally I was told this I

I've I've met Tulsi Gabbard don't know her well I was told she's personally actually very anti-Semitic

and that she is heavily involved in a lot of the anti-Semitic influencer operations

as a woman who watches the MK show and came to one of my tour stops the red headed libertarian

sat on X I was told by people closer to the White House that you are a gay vampire Josh Hammer so

I mean let's just go with that like I've been told I've been reliably told she's an anti-Semite

and she's running an anti-Semitic op out of the DNI's office I mean what is this Kurt?

Yeah I mean look I hope VDH gets better and I know that Josh is not well I mean that he

presents with the Vessage and the self-control of an insane person I mean that was like a vintage

Alex Jones segment but at least Alex Jones it's hilarious Josh is and smart and yeah Josh

is charmless unfortunately and most of his columns are a declaration of war against the English

language and this is no exception so I mean look it's just factually inaccurate number one I mean

the story of director Gabbard unfortunately as he just hasn't been terribly effective she hasn't

doesn't have a strong relation with Trump I think it's part of why I can't resign the idea this

woman as anti-Semitic is just well you're right there's a conflation of any criticism as a

visual with the prejudice towards Jews but it's just not who she is if anything honestly I'm

just a bit in the weeds of anything her views on Middle Eastern politics are actually a pretty

hard line against Sunni political Islam I mean if you listen to her speeches over the years

she's basically backed the Israeli line vis-a-vis Hamas and you know like it's just not accurate

he is just doing a character assassination of her and you know to what effect I mean I don't

actually think Odie and I is actually that effective is they didn't stop the war I think that's

why can't left well it's also an indictment an attempt to indict Joe Kent right who's become

very inconvenient for the Josh Hammers of the world who they've dubbed him dubbed him an anti-Semite

there's an active campaign underway to try to cancel yours truly and the sin that I have committed

is I'm friends with Tucker Carlson I mean literally like you need cancel now for your refusal

to cancel somebody it's like they've gotten really desperate and especially since the war started

it's gone times 10 to try to silence any critics of it which is very weird like I listen to you I

listen to a lot of critics of the war I am a critic of the war I'm still a Trump supporter

but I have no problem hearing people who support the war justify it say why they believe in it like

there are two sides to it I totally get that and respect the other POV I don't share it but

what's with the attempt by people like Josh to try to cancel diminish smear anyone he perceives

as less than full throttle and support the story is older than I think you're implying frankly I

mean it's it's interesting that the free presses you know now the the home of sort of anti woke

anti culture cancel culture that's that's how it was founded in 2020 2021 2022 but the reality if

you look at someone like Barry Weiss's career she actually came about on the scene at Columbia

University by trying to cancel and get defraught pro-Palestinian professors I mean this is this

is an old old old old playbook that goes way back this this this happened to the magazine our

magazine's co-founder William Buckley who I'm sure is still liked by a lot of conservatives I'm

not a fan Bill Buckley oversaw something called insertive anti-semitism which is basically a

witch hunt book that went after Papu Cannon and Gore for Dow just for the criticism of Israel

and this is the early 90s it's it's ubiquitous right now and what you you mentioned Barry Weiss

at Columbia there's a debate amongst some in the American Jewish community about once we saw

the explosion of anti-semitism actual anti-semitism post 10 seven and so many of the college campuses

I mean like the ripping off of people's Yamaha's they're getting in the faces of Jewish

college students who are trying to cross the quad screaming you know globalized the

intifada that was crazy as shit pulling down the pictures of the hostages who are still fighting

for their lives that was crazy that was deeply wrong but we have seen a debate unfold in the wake

of all of that about whether the answer is to put Jewish Americans into the category of DEI like

keep DEI and just put Jews in there too so it's like blacks and gays and trans and Jews and then

there were many of us who said that's the last thing we should be doing the answer is to eradicate DEI

the DEI and dividing us by skin color or religion or what that that's the problem and the solution

to the problem is not to enlarge the problem itself and to me it seems clear that we lost that

debate that you know being Jewish or I forget Jewish it's about like being pro-Israel making Israel

like a huge thing in your life and judging others by their opinions on Israel that's kind of gotten

shoved into like a DEI category where now you get called an anti-semit we were always told

we criticize Israel and it wasn't anti-semitic but it turns out that's just not true Kurt

I think the administration in fastest the administration are basically doing DEI for Jews only

actually that they are preserving the DEI playbook and tools but just for just for Jews and just

for against critics of Israel's wars and I mean I think case in point I believe the administration

is resuing Harvard and like look every single thing that happened on the campus protests in the

past years is not defensible there's obviously above zero anti-semitism in the country but it's a

country of 330 million people there's the first amendment there's the rights of protest

sometimes protests get out of hand and trying to smash these I think is going to be hugely

counterproductive it's not working Israel's approval rating goes down and down and down and down

in every survey and the Republicans I mean base case one of the huge reasons they got thrown back

into power that Mr. Trump was reelected president was that people were fed up with the woke

cancel culture of the early 2020s and for this administration to come in and now to try to you

know pseudo criminalized speech critical of Israel I think you know doesn't pass the laugh

test for the American people and there's going to be a major lane I in my opinion for anti-war

Democrats who want to run against this and then also in my opinion eventually right-wing anti-work

critics as well I think the administration is making huge error on this and I think you know look I'm

not sure it's so much being driven by Trump himself but you know he's he's a coalition manager

he's a sort of boss tweed figure and there are elements of his coalition that want to do this

and like look I don't want to start you fight with this but like you know this someone like the

Laura Loomer woman who's a you know an utter fanatic and basically just has some sort of operation

that is just trying to get people fired for their views on whether or not the American support

should support a foreign war or by the way that she criticized when Trump criticized it two years

ago I just think shows how cynical and nasty and stupid but also I'm very confident on the wrong

side of history of all this is the Israeli hard line is running out of time in the United States

and they know it I hope you're right because I tell you this is not good for American Jews

then I have I mean truly I know it's like cliche but look literally virtually all of my closest

friends are Jewish I mean it's a 80% of them and to a person even the ones who are really pro-Israel

will say this is I don't these people don't represent me I don't judge people by how they feel

about Israel never mind how they feel about this war and I don't need everybody and their mother

to get sued over anti-Semitism because they have the wrong poster board like I just don't think

that normal American Jewish people are running around thinking how does it affect Israel

and how can I shut down other people's viewpoints that I find mildly offensive even about Judaism

you know it's like I had a long talk with a friend of mine I was like look you know the number

like very very conservative men I've had on this product podcast I mean I like too many to count

do I think all of their views are perfectly equal when it comes to women and there's absolutely

no sexism in their worldview no I do not think that I don't give a shit like I just don't like

who cares like okay so we we differ on a couple of issues and you maybe this more this way

and I mean more that way and neither one of us is perfect we know nobody has the perfect

absolutely lovely worldview on everybody the point is like when do we start shutting down speech

shutting people out of the national conversation and hurling the nastiest allegations as defining

of one's personhood when do we do that and against whom and for what purpose and what we're seeing

right now is that allegation the same way it was a weaponized by the BLMers in 2020 to be you know

everybody's racist is being weaponized right now by a certain contingent of Israel firsters

to shut down any debate about this war or or the the Israel lobby a pack in America and

their influence over our our Congress no doubt I mean I think you're picking up on a macro dynamic

which is the increasing separation of the American Jewish community from the interest of Israel or

from the Israeli community frankly and this has been going on for a number of years you know people

like Mr. Hammer are in a minority of Jews a minority of Jews vote Republican and then within

that a minority of Jews vote Republican are inclined towards these types of politics in my view

and it is a it is a cynical attempt I mean in it by the way it's not just driven by Jews I mean

people like Senator Ted Cruz Lindsey Graham Tom Cotton they clearly they clearly revel

Rupert Murdoch clearly revel at the opportunity to call someone racist for once like I mean I

just think I think we shouldn't use this conversation at all not to imply that there there aren't

genuine bigots in racist in this country and and I frankly some of them are are pretty

a separate quick are pretty strident critics of me because I try to advance a principled criticism

of Israel principled non interventionism and I think there are people who actually want to agree

with Benjamin Netanyahu that they want the conversation to be about Jews and I think that plays

into all the wrong people's hands and I think you can totally criticize the governor Israel you

can totally argue that the United States should have nothing to do with this and that does not make

you a bigot in fact some of the most brilliant and principled critics of Israel for decades now

are Jews and have them Jews yeah I do think that they try to make an example of certain well-known

people as a warning to others like losing its effectiveness it is I mean you're to go after Tucker

Carlson who we both know this is going after the second most important conservative in the country

it's not going to work and Tucker's power only grows as a result of it like his show is on fire

people are thirsting for an alternate viewpoint and I think I'm sure he has a lot of independence

in Democrats listening to but I think there's a large strain of Republicans who would like to hear

their own opposition to this war embodied by smart conversations then I don't focus on Israel

anywhere near as much as Tucker I just don't have the interest but I'm also a critic of this war

and it's been interesting we've had some audience say I'm not interested in this and we've had

tons of new audience come and say oh I'm very interested in hearing this discussion

I'm a bit of an aron nerd like I like talking about this stuff but the reality is it's not us

driving this this is all the administration is doing because of our relationship with Israel

right I mean this is an administration that's ostensibly supposed to be about immigration and

trade protection and yes there are people working on that but what is sucking up all of the oxygen

is the Iran war is Israel issues and it wasn't just a Trump story it also happened to Joe Biden

this relationship is bipartisan in being um I think a pretty bad bag of goods

for whoever the president of the United States is unless we make a clean break with the Israelis

so current last question what do you think is going to happen this week do you think Trump

actually does unleash these troops or do you think he takes the off ramp because he's feeling

the pressure at home with the gas prices and these politics that we went over and just declares

a victory and gets the hell out I think we're probably going to do some sort of military operation

unless uh Trump is able to will into existence this potential Pakistan uh side dialogue and I

think you know there's basically one man a lot of it's rumor at this point but there's one man

that potentially could come in as it sort of do ex machina and that is VP JD Vance if he does meet with

some of these Iranians in South Asia I think that's a game changer because I think the Iranians

are done meeting with Whickoff and Kushner yeah that's right because we bombed them the last time

there in the midst of those negotiations and they therefore no longer trust them uh Kurt great great

discussion thank you so much for coming on all right and coming up next I'm going to keep the party

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the big screen starring in everything from romantic comedies to the Transformers franchise but these

days life looks a little different as a father of two with another on the way DeMell has treated

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the business he founded Gatlin we'll get into that in just a bit Josh welcome to the show Megan

so happy to be here I've been hoping to meet you for a very long time so here we are thank you thank

you so much it's great to have you big fan and I'm an even bigger fan of your lifestyle and character

choices I feel like you are one of those few rare beings in Hollywood that gets there makes it big

and says what the hell is this I'm out like you keep your career going but when it comes to passing

values to the next gen you've decided on something more sane so let's start there why are you not

raising your family in Los Angeles well we do spend part of our time here I have a 12-year-old who

lives in Los Angeles but he also comes with us up to Farva North Dakota and the cabin that you see

there all the time we spend most of summer out there and big part of the winter too it's just you

to your point it was like you know my wife is from North Dakota very much family girl very close

to her family I am the same and it was just a chance for us to I don't know give them something else

besides the big city you know I grew when I bought that place 17 years ago it was it was away from

me to sort of relive my youth in a way because I grew up in the outskirts of mine at North Dakota

out the woods like Huck Finn and so when I bought this property I think it was that was the initial

impetus for it and then as I as I went on I had Axel and now Shepard and we have a little one

on the way after a little girl on the way in June it's you know I really want them to be able to

to experience the things that I did to get dirty to you know figure out things on their own to

get off their iPads and to just explore and I think that that's it's it's really been a huge blessing

it's our happy place out there we I could live out there year round if if I could

so what you're saying was the draw to Minnesota was not Tim Walsh

no it was not Tim Walsh it was not Tim Walsh thank god then we can continue getting to know each other

right that that's that that's a thrilled to hear that all right so you start off as this rural kid

and grow up you know dirt under your fingernails like like I did actually up in Syracuse New York too

like in the creek a lot of the time and making mud pies and I think that develops a good person

on a number of levels but then you decide to try your hand in modeling first my so I'm told

and I'm told you actually made it so big that you beat Ashton Kutcher for male model of the year

back in what the mid 2000 that was the late 90s but I didn't actually make it big he did

late 90s okay it was it was I want a competition that was sort of like Zoolander in a lot of ways

when I when I really looked back at it now it was it was ridiculous but it was what I thought was

my you know my rocket to start them and it didn't turn out so much that way it was four years of

grinding and and you know you know I won the thing and I thought that I was going to go on and

you know do great things but it didn't turn out that way Ashton on the other hand went on and

did that 70s show and got a Calvin Klein came and it was just a bunch of different things so

I was pretty bitter at him for a while but we we've buried the hatchet we laugh about it very

well you have the chiseled good looks which will always help you as a male actor

in at a male in general in life and it's no accident that you started on all my children right

where it's like back then I'm sure they were like he's hot if he can act at all he's hired

and it would turn out that you could do it all and which is why he became a big movie star but I

do want to take us back as somebody who used to watch all my children a lot back in the day

not the more yeah sure when I was grown up I loved all my children I watch general hospital I had

a few that I really liked but here you are in the following stop 52 good morning Rosalie

of the meal and the company were so charming the other day I thought it was your breakfast

for life did you happen to bring a different credit card this time

I'm afraid that no huh but you're so clever about it before I don't dare and just here today

oh what a shame we had such a great time let me talk to about Tuscany I felt like I was there

yeah I started telling you about Switzerland you were asking me about skiing and shamanee because

of right of our shamanee we've been there oh well wait you don't have to go I got paid this morning

oh no I couldn't let you do that Rosalie be my pleasure really you talked me into it and of

course I can return the favor sometimes I'll be right back with the menu oh yeah it's hilarious

oh that's amazing so many stores okay music that that scene was the most

impressive moment of my room or easily my late 20s into my mid 30s even now I remember that scene

like it was yesterday you I couldn't tell you what I said in a movie last week or anything that I

did like recently but that scene because I was so nervous why why I'm gonna be on TV for the first

time I was to all I can think about was oh my god I'm gonna be on TV all my friends back home we're

gonna see this what am I gonna do so I would just and I and I was the breathing I couldn't I feel it

now it's like it's like I regress back to that moment because that was like the one time in my leather

duster in my mohair mock turtleneck with like one too many buttons undone it was like and so I

remember just being so nervous that I had to remember these lines and I was gonna be on TV and it

was just terrifying that the girl by the way is Elizabeth banks do you know what that is I thought

that was Elizabeth banks I I was like that looks exactly like Elizabeth Banks and who also of

course is went on to become a huge star that was her first job too which we also laugh about that

because we were so thanks for bringing that one home again holy crap it's funny because I

I could be wrong but I think I spent last week with Elizabeth Banks where we went on vacation

for our kids spring break Justin Timberlake was 100% there yeah he's married to Jessica

Biel who we also saw and she was with a hot blonde who looked remarkably like Elizabeth Banks

and those two just starred together in one of those Netflix you know docu series or not

docu series but like series it was really good and she looks amazing if it in fact was Elizabeth

Banks she looks awesome so you guys have both made it big probably was yeah I don't know but all right

so then you you parlay that into a movie career and so like you could act you got a bunch of

Emmy nominations one one and then you decide there could be bigger things in store for me I

want to try my hand at the big screen and not only do you get cast in big movies but like

the Transformers like you can't that is that just an actor's

utmost dream any man on earth would love to star in this no yeah that was it was a big decision

actually to leave all my children because I did it for three years it was for the first time I

felt like I had something I felt like a belong in some way although it took me forever until recently

to actually feel like a belong to this business because I felt like an outside of for so long

but to leave all my children because it was the first time I was in New York City straight from

North Dakota it was like I was making a little money for the first time and they offered me a contract

to stay for three more years and I decided you know what no I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go

try my hand and see what happens and I left and moved back to Los Angeles and and shortly after

that I got lost I got Las Vegas and then I got I went at it with Tat Hamilton and shortly after

that was Transformers so you know it was it was you know I guess I just trusted that I could do

it it was a it was a scary move at the time but you know I guess if I were to give advice to any

young person out there just believe that you can go do it you know we just got it you really

got to just trust the before and after like that the Transformers thing had to be like where

okay now everybody knows you that was that was a big one because that production was gigantic it

was you know Michael Bay had all the toys helicopters and all the cameras and we had jets flying

over we had DOD involved and we're on you know it was just it was because my stuff is special

because I did all the all the military stuff and so it was it was a big sort of collaboration with

the US military to pull that off and they were really helpful in doing all that so it was that

stuff in particular shoes and it was like massive explosions everywhere and it was it was unlike

anything I'd done before so at the time I felt like it was I felt like a tiny cog in a giant

machine looking back at it and now it was ten I did four of this you one two three and I did four

of them and you know it was it was a it was a huge boost to my career to say the least

well of course since we subjected you to the all my children clip we will do the honor of now

playing a Transformers clip the the later version of Josh here it is

you have 22s we're still waiting

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Okay, for the listening audience, Josh is decked out in his like camo with his

bike and so on and and I the question I have for you coming out of that is probably not the one

you expect but it seems to me if you get cast in a film like that which is testosterone central

and you feel like such a badass with the military and the guns and the camo and the hogs

and you're making a big in Hollywood at the same time with the recognition going to the roof

it might be a time for like church, God, a normy romantic partner like something or someone

to ground you and remind you you're human, don't get too big, don't indulge too much in the

excesses that are now going to become available to you. Did that happen to you? Wow, what a

question, man. So I'm so glad I'm here today. Yeah, the truth is there are a lot of pitfalls in

this business and you know it I'm not going to say I was perfect you know but I did know that I

that none of this was real you know fame can come and go as you can it can go as quickly as it comes

I did know that and I have a really tight knit group of friends back home and family

that I leaned on heavily during those times so I always stayed very close to North Dakota very

close to my friends I got a group of 20 friends that were on a we're still every day on a thread

so I think that helped me stay grounded help me sort of keep perspective on everything but you're

right it can be it can be a lot you know and thankfully if you go back to all my children and

the the bit that I did before that you know it wasn't like it all happened immediately it was like

it was a sort of a slow burn it still feels like a slow burn I don't feel like not any of it happened

quickly but yeah I mean in in in God family friends home those are all things that really sort of

kept me and I think still keep me in this business today because it's easy to burn out

well I I ask it because I spent a fair amount of time talking over the past year to Charlie Sheen

and he's been so honest about his rocket propulsion to super fame and how he didn't really have

that force to ground him and really started to feel like I can do whatever the hell I want there

are absolutely no limitations on me which was not good for him right he's still dealing with the

fallout from that so why why though the temptation was there for you didn't you succumb in the way

my pal Charlie did Charlie Sheen or others you know who are less able to say no to those indulgence

I don't know I'm probably not the you know the the spokesperson for it but I but I I've had

enough experience in this business now to know that I was again very lucky to have a very tight

net group of friends a very a family that wasn't afraid to put my ass in check if I needed to be

um there you go but it can be it can be very enticing and intoxicating thing you know because

you got a lot of stuff thrown at you and if you don't keep some kind of perspective on what

reality is and I always and I always knew this and I and I watched this growing up this before I

even wanted to get into the business is that I'd see guys rocket to start them and burn out quickly

um and I didn't want to be that guy I wanted to try to stay is this humble and it's a

preacher and I also had a lot of jobs before this I didn't get into this business until I was 27

or eight years old and so I worked construction and I worked in warehouses I worked a lot of like

grunt labor jobs for a long time and I think that that we like experience

as great as those jobs are I didn't want to go back to them because I was I felt so lucky to

even be in this position I still do so I think that and it just reminds you yeah it reminds you

what real life is one of the things I've noticed you know what happens in Hollywood if you

if you succeed is not only do you you know you become recognizable and the fans love you and

all that you get money but then you get like an entourage that surrounds you with the most

obsequious absurd messaging about how amazing you are which I also think is a damaging force right

it's like you're agent and you're manager and like whatever it just seems like such a

falling ridiculous I think the thing you said about having a family that's ready to kick your

ass that's the best possible influence no yeah absolutely and I think that I think that that

could it's a good message for a lot of people in the entertainment business these days I just feel

like you know because you have a platform doesn't mean that you get to preach to everybody um oh thank

you tell that to the Oscars I think I honestly believe that you know it's it we're very fortunate

to be in this position and I spent a lot of time in the you know in the Midwest so I get to see

what they actually think about you know us and they're not afraid to tell me and you know I have this

I'll never forget this I was going to play golf with a buddy in Georgia about 10 years ago and

he's uh he meets me at the airport with a t-shirt that says uh nobody cares what actors think

and I was like damn that's that's really funny that's really good and that always stuck with me

because it's true they don't I mean on my job and I don't that's why I don't really take I don't

really I have real strong opinions about things but I don't really talk about it because it's

it's like why you know why would I you know alienate half my audience because I respect the

thank you so much but I'm not going to preach to them they can believe what they want to believe

I'm just here to you know make cool stuff I mean speaking for people who are more you know on the

right side of the aisle I feel like that's all we want we you don't need to share our points of

view on the big issues of the day but we do definitely do not want to be lectured by Hollywood leftist

I don't think you're a leftist but in any of it we don't want to be lectured about how we're

worse than them because we don't share their values you know it's like I think more and more

they're starting to get it you know use like a couple of actors and actresses have made

public statements about how like I don't want to alienate you know Jennifer Lawrence said it

and she's been an outspoken progressive but she's like I'm gonna stop doing that because I don't

I don't actually want to alienate my fan base I'd like my art to speak for me we saw Sydney

Sweeney you know declined to get drawn in when they made a controversy around her jeans ad it's

and then we've seen it a couple of the awards show not really the Oscars but maybe it was the

globes before that couple of the actors and the red carpet being like I just want to act yeah

I don't I don't want to talk politics do you think this is a growing trend it should be

I mean it makes perfect sense I mean why would you why if you really want to be successful in this

business why would you make half of your audience despise you by your political beliefs

um maybe they don't care I don't know I mean I I look at it as a business decision

you know I want I want I'm here just to make cool movies cool TV I'm here to make cool stuff

and that's my I'm the court jester you know if I want to if I want to preach to you about what

I believe politically I'll go run for office which I'm not going to do by the way yes thank you

or you can just email me it's fine it's Megan at Megan Kelly dot com um in the midst of this

crazy successful career in life you found time to marry one of the most famous people on earth

the singer Fergie and how did that change life for you uh it was it was it was it was a big it was

a you know it was it was a huge sort of shift because suddenly I was and she was a massive

star at the time and and so it was it was a it was a big adjustment for me if I'm being honest uh

but you know Fergie's a very normal person at the end of the day good mom uh we have a great

relationship you have to navigate the like whose star is bigger and how does that make the

others star feel like a lot of Hollywood actors who are in it you know a joint relationship

have spoken of that dynamic yeah probably it's probably my own ego more than anything

I don't think it bugged her as much as it probably did me um but you know she was uh she was

she was a massive star at the time and it was uh it was suddenly your your your uh sort of in

that shadow a lot of times but at the same time is there the same fear when you when you're a man

married to a female singer who's such a star is there's the same fear as like a woman would have

when married to a male rock star like he's going to cheat on me because he has thousands of women

throwing themselves at his feet is it like that when the the spouse is a woman like does that happen

to the female stars I don't know I don't know it never crossed your mind I don't know uh this is what's

good about being Josh Demell you're like we're good trust me listen Fergie and I have a great

relationship we we we we parent our son Axel she's a great mom I'm extremely happily married

now with to my wife Audra we have a beautiful son and a little girl on the way um and they have a great

relationship which which is what I really care about is making sure that everybody's just

copicetic you know I just want I just want peace uh and I don't want to fight in between everybody

and I think that you know they've all been thankfully very civil in the way they approached this whole

thing well it says a lot about all of you that you've managed to navigate that one because that's

that can be that can be it can go another way as you can be ugly but thankfully it's not

yeah that's that's amazing so now you've got a new baby this will be your first girl coming in

yeah I got a little girl on the way all right so how are we feeling about that and about the pony

I had you know what's what's scarier about raising a girl I grew up with three sisters so I knew

that uh I just figured I was always gonna have girls you know I had a dog was a girl

with three sisters or a girl I was you know everything around me was female and when I found out

that I was gonna have a son axle it it almost surprised me and then again when I had shepherd I was

like well I'm a I'm a boy dad so when we when we found out that we're having this little girl I

think that it was I'm just I just can't wait to meet her you know I just there's so I think

there's something about girls that is so different than boys you know um I think that

you know she's got a great mother Audrey's an amazing mother and you know I'm just excited

to to to meet her and you know I don't know what to expect you tell me you have but you have

two sons and a daughter right yeah I expect you to be putty in her hands my daughter's the middle

child okay but I expect yeah I expect she will rock your world and um I've in my experience at

least girls come into the world knowing a lot yeah like she will know a lot and have strong opinions

probably at an earlier age than your boys they get there but it takes them longer and um I don't

know she's sort of like arrived as sort of a boss you know what I mean like together and with

strong opinions and like good advice to give and uh it's it's just totally different than the boys

you know I think you'll find it a completely different experience of course it's still parenthood

but like girls are very different and well they're more evolved in the roadway now my

my girls about to turn 15 so she's at it like that age where like they get more assertive and

you know the parents are more of a liability than they are but like we're still good and it's

it is very different from the boy so I'm still thrilled you're gonna have both experiences

yeah me too you know I feel like boys are just girls are just more evolved than boys

honestly boys are like little caveman my little two-year-old is it truly a cave you've seen the

movie the last dinosaur spike that little caveman yes yes right you know and I think that you know

they girls just have they're just they can sit and they can play and they can focus on things

where boys are just like all over the place well I always think of the movie parenthood where the

the little one is like ramming his head into the wall with a bucket on it your boy will definitely

do that you don't totally understand why but somehow it's meaningful to him me while your girls

doing like trigonometry yeah so I look forward to that experience for you now speaking of girls

is that your inspo because you started a company you didn't need to do this you're you're sustaining

your lifestyle I'm sure with your acting but you just you started like a like a wellness brand

focused first on men and now just in time for your baby girl you're expanding it to women so tell

us what is the brand what has it been doing for men and why the expansion yes by popular demand we

are now offering to women and so the the way the company started was it's called Gatlin

in a friend of mine my co-founder Fabian Calvo came to me with this idea to is like at the time

was just a testosterone replacement therapy company and I was like no way no way am I going to be in

face of a testosterone replacement they all I do it but I'm not going to tell people that it's my

dirty little secret and and the more I thought about it the more I thought you know what this

is really improved my life in a lot of ways it's helped me stay young and active and and all

the things that really that it does and I thought why not be the guy that that that you know shines

a light on this thing and makes it okay for people to talk about it doesn't have to be something

taboo and we've built this beautiful company we've got you know it's fully concierge the website

just dropped the new website just dropped today we're now fully concierge we have fully guided

licensed medical experts there to help with whatever questions you have and what's the website

it's called Gatlin Gatlin.com and made in the beautiful community because I watched you

and commissioner FDA commissioner Martin McCarrie talk about HRT for women and that was one of the

impetus is for us to to get into the female sense because I didn't know all this stuff I didn't

realize and also there was a girl that I work with on ransom canyon who was having troubles with

testosterone believe it or not and some of her hormone levels were low and she talks about this

to me she doesn't tell anybody but she talked to me about it when she knew we had this company

and how that changed her life and I just thought you know what we got to get into this space because

there's so many women out there that can benefit from this HRT you know whether it's estrogen

or progesterone or even testosterone for women you know naturally these things that we produce

start to taper off as we get older and there's there's so much science behind it now that it really

can prolong your youth it can keep you young it can keep you active it can keep you looking good

it's cognitive it's bone density it's it's you know weight gain it's all these different things

that that they found that actually can really improve your quality of life and I think that

that's really why I got into this was why not spread the word about it

yes the the brain fog also sex drive I mean this is like you know I know you're married to a

young woman but I would say like when you get into your 50s this can be an issue for a lot of

women it doesn't tend to ever become an issue for men until much later but like there can be a

mismatch and it's hormones like go regulate your hormones talk to a hormones doctor go to

Gatlin look into whether you know what are your levels how's your estrogen how's your testosterone

because women have a certain level of testosterone that wanes as we get older and there's lots of

things you can do you can do like a cream there's but if you get even just your estrogen in your

progesterone back to like good levels the drive can be restored and that issue can not just be

have something that you have to live with these are things that we don't talk about enough but I

want to stay for a second on the testosterone for men because one of my guys who work security

for me he's also a huge fan now he's younger he's like 41 and he loves it too what what do you love

about it like why why should a man be thinking about going on testosterone well I think it's the

same for all of us as we get older these these these these things that we actually naturally produce

taper off and a lot of guys you know starting in their late 30s those levels start to fall off

and you can you can supplement that with testosterone replacement therapy for women it's you know

estrogen progesterone and even testosterone and you can actually maintain that youthful

vigor that you had in your 20s in early 30s and you can you you don't have to go through

what is traditionally seen as paramanopause I mean eventually everything happens but you can

definitely pull along it and for me testosterone you know muscle it helps you keep muscle on it

it keeps it helps me stay athletic sex drive you know all those things that just make me feel

because I got like us you like we just talked about young kids I want to be able to roll around

the dirt with them for as long as possible I need to stay as young as possible for them

as anything you know I want I want my career to go as long as possible but you know for my kids

they need me and I need to be as is as is present as possible yes I love it I have to say so I'm

doing HRT and I love it and I will say like it's resolved so many things like that were going

wrong with me that I had no idea where hormone related like I had very annoying dry eye and it's

gone like it's completely resolved the dry is a crazy who knew that that was related to hormones

and other weird things that suddenly are no longer present you feel better you look better your

skin is better you feel more vibrant the brain fog like there's so many advantage to it but people

don't want to talk about it because I don't know it's a sign of getting older or for some you

know you say testosterone you're like what's going on down south well no like it it'll help you

everywhere including there but like there's no shame in getting older and having these things

happen and you saying no I refuse I'm going down swinging yeah well I mean you look amazing Megan

I mean if anybody was a perfect uh poster child for for HRT it's it's you you really do look

incredible and I think that it's I think that it's uh you know it's it's true I mean all those

things you just mentioned you can actually they're in the set their science behind it the data is there

this stuff works and you know get your levels checked uh find out exactly what you where you're at

we have a whole uh fleet of licensed medical experts the best in the world that can walk you

through this because you know it's a scary thing to get into in the first you know the first

you know just to step into it for the first time so you know we're fully concierge we can

we can walk you through this we have all the products all the products are made right here

or compounded right here in the US too so you're getting what you're buying whereas some of these

companies you don't know and that's why I think the FDA is coming down on some of these companies

is because you can't just click and just have you know GLP one cent you got to have a doctor

sort of guiding you through this and helping you making sure that you're getting what you're ordering

and so we have the best products we have the best experts to help them through it and um

I'm so grateful I'm so grateful that you are an advocate for women and a proponent of this stuff

honestly well don't you think that we are it's the dawn of a new day like the days of accepting

your traditional medicine doctor being like you're getting older deal with it

are done like no there are all sorts of options when it comes to hormones or peptides or what

have you supplements that can actually make you feel better look better and weirdly actually

be biologically younger I mean it's what what's his name Brian why can't I remember his last name

the crazy guy online he's been on the show who's refusing to age but there there are real life

Johnson Brian Johnson real life options for you to fight it's not to say we're not we're all

winding up in the same place eventually but you can look good and feel good for so much longer

thanks to this sort of I don't know if you'd call it alternative medicine I think it's regular

medicine that's just been looked down on for so long and I'll tell you something else Josh

um you know you have to get the the mammograms as you get older um and I one of my doctor said to

me like you know um getting older is not a disease okay I accept that but you also don't have to

go down without a fight like you can actually stay looking feeling and in a way being younger

for even longer if you just do a little research check out gatlin talk to hormones doctor what have

you right I mean you're feeling it and so am I yeah absolutely I mean I couldn't say

better myself that's amazing it's you know and the beauty of it is is once you once you get your

levels checked you find out that you're low in whatever and you get and you regulate

to where you were in your 20s or 30s whatever it is you start to look better you start to feel

better which makes you want to eat better which makes you want to work out which makes you a better

sister brother mother son daughter it just it just elevates you in my opinion because you feel

so much better about yourself and because of that you're willing to do the things you have that

oomph that you didn't have that you've been sort of falling off of for the last several years so

yeah I I recommend people get get their levels checked um come to gatlin.com and we can we can

we can get you back to the you used to be next thing you know you too could marry someone

like the 32 year old odd right this is all you have to do go to gatlin.com and your life

is going to improve Josh I loved meeting you um I want to tell the audience that you your team

is given our audience a special offer uh for to get 20% off your purchase if you use the code mk

at gatlin.com when you check out so that's great you get 20% off thanks so much for being mk20 mk20

thank you so much for being here made in what a pleasure I've been a fan for a very long time

oh I'm grateful and good luck with the movie too everybody's got to check that out uh pre-school

it was just released on St. Patrick's Day what a guy right what a great guy uh thanks to all of you

for joining us today we will see you tomorrow we'll do it all over again then

thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show no BS no agenda and no fear