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Journalist Rajesh Joshi explores this unique spiritual practice, meeting fully fledged monks and disciples on the path to total nudity. While walking with them across the countryside, Rajesh learns about the danger these monks face, and he speaks to villagers to find out what they think of these naked monks whose numbers have unexpectedly grown in recent years. We also speak to female Jain followers to understand how they feel about the nudity they witness.
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Schwab has everything you need all in one place. Visit Schwab.com to learn more. There seems to be some commotion at the temple door. I think the monk is coming out and some of the devotees are running towards him to seek his blessings. Everyone wants to touch his feet and talk to him, and they are now following the monk in a little procession out of the village. It's about 2pm and I have joined this group of 50 to 60 people walking through the narrow lanes of the village. In the middle of the procession is the monk in his 50s. He's walking barefoot and carrying a peacock feather duster in his hand, and he's completely naked. The party following the monk also includes some barefoot young women in their 20s and 30s.
They are all covered from head to toe in white saris, but the monk doesn't at all seem to be self-conscious about his nudity. This is the documentary from the BBC World Service with me Rajesh Joshi, and for this edition of Heart and Soul, where we explore personal approaches to spirituality from around the world, I'm in Baragao, a sleepy village, one our drive north of India's capital New Delhi. I'm meeting Muni Pranamya Sagar, a Jain monk and his followers, to find out why someone would renounce everything, including the glows for their faith. I spoke to the barefoot monk as he walked. We must have walked two or two and a half kilometers from the Baragao temple. How much further will you be walking today and what will be the next stop and the one after that? The Delhi schedule varies from day to day. I have to walk for nine kilometers, so we have to walk
for another six and a half or seven kilometers. Then we'll decide about the next day's stop tomorrow morning. And your final destination is Rurkee, which is about 150 kilometers from here, and you will walk all the way. Yes, we'll go on foot. This is just 150 kilometers. During the summer season, I walked 700 kilometers from Kundalpur to Chaapur. This journey to Rurkee was supposed to have been undertaken during the summer season, but we had to reschedule it for some reasons. It's cold now, so there's no comfort neither in summer nor in winter. Why are you doing this? This act falls under a vow of non-possession, getting out all these external austerities like walking and facing unpleasant weather and so on, brings a great deal of suffering and distress. The pain one endures from themselves to increase one's economy or state of calm. This is the primary
objective. I have seen wandering monks since my childhood. They walk from village to village and tongue to tongue because of a deep spiritual calling. Some of them are Hindu ascetics, some are Buddhist and also Jain. The monk I'm walking with belongs to the Jain faith. Jains are a minority religion in India. They constitute only 0.4% of the country's population, but Jainism is an ancient religion that predates Christianity and even Buddhism, and its demanding ancient practices continue to survive. Since everyone is walking barefoot, I'm also going to remove my shoes just to see how it feels to walk without shoes on the hard surface road. It's not easy. It's really painful to walk on this road.
I couldn't even last a few seconds walking without shoes. Walking naked in the cold and in public would be rather unthinkable for me. Yet, walking naked in the procession, Muni Pranam Misagar appears relaxed. I see that you are walking barefoot, you are not wearing any clothes, but you are carrying a duster made of peacock feathers. What is its significance? Now see, a little insect is crawling on my neck. If I try to remove it with my hand, it might die. So I use the duster to swipe it away. There are so many things like that. If I have to sit down on the ground here, right now, I'll brush away the small creatures and insects with this duster and then set. This is our rule for protecting living creatures and exercising caution so that we are always aware of our commitment to non-violence.
Muni Pranam Misagar has no family, no romantic partners, and no material positions. He owns nothing, not even clothes. By walking naked and carefully barefoot, he's a living embodiment of two key tenets of Jainism, Ahinsa and Uparigra, that is non-violence and non-position. Jain religion is so ancient that scholars find it difficult to agree on the exact century it originated, but most believe that it was established over 2500 years ago. In Jainism, the theory of karma is fundamental. It's not karma as we might be familiar with, that you reap what you sow. Jain's belief that karma is a physical substance that is attached to your soul. Your actions and thoughts shape your karma, and it's the karma that shapes the destiny of a soul. The soul is reborn into a different body or death, but the ultimate goal for a Jain is to purify the soul by removing all bondage of karma, to break this cycle of rebirth
and reincarnation, and reaching a state of ultimate liberation called Moksha. One way karma can be shed is by pursuing a life of non-violence and non-position. These wandering naked monks are seen as pious role models who are well on the path to Moksha. Rakshita Jain is one of Muni Purnima Sagar's followers. Why did you come here? We just wanted to know about the why he is on this path, same like you. So when we got in connection with him, so we had to know so much so many things about this world, the life after life, and what are the karmas, how we are here, and about the Jainism, the concept of Jainism. As a young woman, don't you feel uncomfortable looking at men walking without any clothes? No, it's not like that when a baby bonds, you used to see them like that now. So it's about the concept of Jain's follow, that you are not attached to a single thing,
whether it's clothes, whether it's food or whether it's anything. We are now passing through another village and I see a group of young boys and men standing at a tri-junction. Have you ever seen a naked person walking like this before? No sir, we don't know, we haven't seen this sir. The thing is that I don't know much about them, I haven't seen them before, today is the first time that I have seen them. Have you never even heard of these monks? They walk through the streets naked, what if someone gets angry at them? No, no, no, no. There is nothing like that, the difference is that these people are acetics. These are rebelled. People worship them, touch their feet, serve them. No one will serve a common man, these are holy men, these are God. Naturally, everyone will serve them.
After walking for nearly 10 kilometers without taking a break, the barefoot monk and his followers have reached a roadside village called Pilana. He will stay here overnight in this half-constructed storehouse. It's a very small room with bare walls and only one window. Moni Pranam is a garish sitting cross-legged on an elevated seat, placed on top of a broad wooden bench. His followers are sitting down on the floor, singing devotional songs and praying. They are offering him flowers and cooking a fruit. Tonight, the monk will sleep on this bare hardwood bed, without the mattress or pillows and no dinner. He will stop speaking after 8 pm. The group will embark on the next leg of the journey early tomorrow morning. Moni Pranam Sagar is an educated man in his 50s who studied maths, physics,
and chemistry at university. He has a partly frame and a delightful smile and he looks younger than his ears. I spoke with him again before his nightly vow of silence. First of all, please tell me a bit about your personal life. Was there an atmosphere in your childhood home that led you to the path of becoming a monk? Yes, the atmosphere at home was normal like you find in any Jan household. Going to the temple, beholding Jan 80s and occasionally coming into contact with Kuru's. So when I look back, I remember that whenever someone died, I would think a lot about it, this person has died. Where has he gone after death? Where do people go after they die? I used to think about it a lot and I was always curious to know about the truth of life. I think if everyone eventually has to leave this world,
they also have their desires and dreams in life. Where do these disappear? I used to think about it a lot. So who is eligible or qualified to attain liberation? Anyone in the world can be a candidate and there is no guarantee that a soul who begins this practice in one lifetime will necessarily succeed. It may take two to four lifetimes, or even ten or twenty, but anyone can attain liberation. It's a pre-requisite to be born a man to attain Moksha, but is it also necessary to renounce all material positions? Or can liberation be attained even while living in comfort, convenience, wealth and opulence?
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roadside shop. So while I was walking past a man saw me and pulled a dagger from his shop. He was ready to attack me. At that moment I thought my life was over. And there weren't many people around me that man was talking utter nonsense and he was swearing and he showed me the dagger and started threatening me and said, I'll kill you. I'll kill you if you ever come back here again. I'll do this. I'll do that. As he was constantly bravering, it really felt like he was going to kill me. So I walked away from him very bravely because I was on the move and kept moving. So I decided I wouldn't stop my momentum. And I thought to myself, he's going to hit me now if I have to face death and if my time has come, so I'll face that also. With that thought in my mind, I just kept walking away. And I suppose there was my good karma that he kept shouting a lot
but did not strike me with the weapon he was holding. So when I got about 10 pieces ahead of him, I felt I had somehow escaped. These kinds of incidents to take place. But being nude isn't the only path to liberate one's soul in jainism. There are two main branches in jain religion, the Digambara and Shwetambara. In Sanskrit, Shwetambara means to be white clad while Digambara means sky clad, describing the male monks who walk naked, such as Muni Pranamisagar. The Shwetambara sect believes that moksha can be reached without nudity, while the Digambara's belief nudity is necessary to reach moksha. And this is a path only open to men. There's a mix of doctrinal and societal reasons that Digambara jains don't think women can reach moksha. There's a belief that women's bones structure lacks strength,
so they cannot follow certain practices or mudras. Then there is an entrenched societal view that women should not be naked in public. Astha jain is another female follower of the Guru. She has come from her home in New Delhi to listen to his sermons and is pursuing a PhD in jainism from a top university in the capital. Women are not entitled to moksha, only you have to be born a man to attain moksha. And this is a very fundamental part of the jain philosophy. Why? One thing we should always accept is that moksha is not a one birth thing. So don't worry, if you're even a woman, it's not your last life. It's women. There are certain conditions, they are natural certain sunken chances because of which we cannot apply or we cannot follow jain
mudra 100%. Somebody will turn around and say this is a very male dominated narrative because they have laid down the rules for women. Women can't take off their clothes, men can do that, isn't a discrimination. Women wants to take off their clothes, it's up to them, but it's natural calamity. Men have not made them women like this, they have their own monthly cycles and everything. For them women, it's difficult to do them. This is how the nature it is. Moksha is a very beautiful concept, it's not male or female. If we can be any creature, I can become ant, I can become plant, I can become male, I can become female, anything can be happen in this world. That is how we live. To be a digambar jain is to accept that moksha may not be achievable in this life, but those that seek it face a difficult and vulnerable path of living publicly nude without positions. Yet, despite the harshness of this chosen lifestyle, scholars say that the number of these monks have increased in recent years. While there are no official government statistics
and online database called digambar jain wiki lists just over 2000 months walking across the country at the moment, completely naked. Given that this practice restarted in 1947, following the end of British rule, it's astonishing just how many of these monks now exist. I kept asking, what keeps drawing a younger generation of men to this harsh and demanding lifestyle. Walking behind Muni Pranam Isagar in a loincloth and with a white cloth over his left shoulder is his younger disciple in his early 40s. He has childlike eyes and the body of an athlete. He once had a completely different life. He worked in a multinational corporation and spent some time living in South Korea. Now, Anun Isagar has no positions and survives on handouts from strangers. My parents used to call me Chandra Prakash Munlite. Chandra Prakash Jain. And now you are called?
Chulak Anun Isagar. I used to do various adventure activities like paragliding and I also played judo at state level. So, I played for four years and I like music also and I like cooking also. We are wearing a piece of cloth that is it and there's another piece of cloth on your shoulder. Just tell me about that journey. So, when I was studying in my school, I started reading texts, gender texts. It used to tell me something that what you are doing is not everything. If you want to attain some peace, if you want to attain the enlightenment, if you want to attain Nirvana, you have to do something. You have to quit these pleasures. You know, we are made in a certain way. Nature has made us in a certain way. We have anger,
jealousy, hatred, love, sexual feelings. How do you curb that feeling? How do you release that feeling? How do you release that? I was 20 years old when I took the pledge of celibacy for the first time and at that time there were the feelings. The feelings were there. I used to so when I was in school only, I was there. The guys were there. The friends were there who used to talk rubbish, who used to talk abuse and I was also part of that group. But I never did anything which is off track. They used to watch some viral movies like, but those things didn't give me that pleasure when I started meditation. And when I got involved with my soul, I realized that whatever these guys are doing, I am getting much more happiness, much more pleasure,
much more love inside myself. When our love is not dependent on any other external living or non-living thing, it just depends on our own self. Then you can experience that love forever. How do you feel when you imagine a time when you will have to drop this line cloth also and you will have to walk in front of everybody when you think of that moment, what goes through your mind? It's just one fear, sometimes that comes in my mind, that I have to face the situations when there would be some guys or some girls who would not like it. But I have to face that situation.
Nearly three months after I last met the naked monk and his disciple, they both took part in an ornate ceremony held in Delhi. I have been sent a link to the ceremony which was broadcast live and now I'm going to watch some of it to see what happens. The ceremony is going to start. It's a huge hall packed with lots of men and women decked out in bright colored attire. Monipurana Misagar is sitting on a raised platform and below him are sitting the junior monks. Among them is Kshullak Anunai Sagar who is going to be promoted to the next stage of monkhood. His getting off from his seat and going to the guru but he no longer has the white cloth on his shoulder. He takes a bow and Monipurana Misagar gives him the duster.
The ceremony marked another step closer to full nudity for Anunai Sagar. Since we first met, he and his guru have walked more than 500 kilometers. I caught up with him again in February at a gen temple in North Indian city of Mathura. Munyanunai Sagar and I took a walk around the temple grounds. What are the thoughts in your mind? Yeah, so one more is left. So the thought is one more as in your loincloth is left. Still, if I have that loincloth to cover my genitals, that is also a hindrance. So I am mature enough to drop that also. Yes, I understand that. You are mature enough but the word around you, people around you may not
be that mature. They look at a naked man, young man walking around and they may have different thoughts in their minds. Are you aware? Are you concerned about those things that people will say things to you or they will form opinion about you? It happens but since it is the only path, so it doesn't matter for me what the people will think, let them think. Okay, so since you have dropped one piece of cloth and you are ready to drop your, even your loincloth, what does life hold for you in future? You know, the whole lifetime without any clothes walking around. How are you feeling about the future? What are your feelings about the future? So the kind of purity that I will achieve, I am thinking, I am actually very
you can say, I am eager, I am very eager to achieve that meditation, that state of purity, which is told by my master, that when you leave all the positions, all your clothes and positions, you achieve that state of purity of your soul, that you cannot achieve even with a piece of cloth. So you have spent I think a few years in this state, right, without clothes walking around from town to town, from village to village. Now, are you 100% convinced from within that you are on the right path or do you have any second thoughts about whatever you are doing? No second thought, I am very well confident and I know
that this is the path on which I am walking. So if I know that I am, I am on the right track, why should I worry and what should I worry? As I've watched on a Sagar climbing the stress of the temple to join his Guru, Muniprinam Sagar, I was left with a moment of quiet reflection. These monks will spend the rest of their lives walking their chosen path, doing their best to remain unaffected by the tumultuous world around them. You have been listening to the naked monks from the BBC World Service, the presenter was Rajesh Joshi, the producer Emily Ujida Finch, and it was a whistle-down production for the BBC World Service. Perfect for streaming and gaming and working from home.
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