The Nefarious Not-Deer! [Livestream 562]

0:00All right guys welcome to Paranol Morown Table. I'm your host Josh Turner. This is PRT. Join us in the real reality. Let's get started here. So this story here is interesting to me. You guys I know if you're veterans of the show or if you're veterans are just cryptids in general and you're into the weird. You've probably heard of not dear you probably heard of what that is you probably know what that is and so I don't know how to describe. What it is and if you have you don't know you know if you know you know if you don't you don't. One of the things I can say about it is that it's one of the weirder cryptids I guess if it is a cryptid. I know cryptids have become kind of like a monster type thing you know and I know the periods are like it's cryptos or logical you know yeah and I mean that's great to go out and expeditions and find a baby lizard that we didn't know existed or whatever but that's not what people are looking for.

1:09When they talk about cryptids and what we know what we think of as cryptids is nothing to do with these search for unknown animals. These are really animals you know these are like monsters and people are interested in learning about them. Because a lot of them are humanoid in shape but they are very much monstrous beings and the not dear seems to be one of those it's very it's just it is what it is. So this story comes to us from two friends Terence and his friend Bubba. One of the things that I learned about these guys is that they've been friends for years and they're now in their 40s and this happened when they were in their teens and it happened in Houston, Texas. Now I can say being in Texas everybody's like well you get a lot of stories from Texas right but there's certain places you get a lot more stories and you do other places and I got to say Houston comes up with some weird stories.

2:10I remember reading in some book and I can't even remember what it is now but it was some book that I read about an encounter with a bigfoot that was like in the middle of like a park near the San Jacinto River. And it was like in the middle of Houston in the city limits and I remember thinking do that's terrifying you know you're in this big metropolitan area this huge city and bigfoot is it shows up in a freaking park. And so I thought that was crazy you know so I said something about it like a long time ago one of my shows if I remember correctly it was like you're just just saying something about it and then several people mentioned to me over the over the coming months. I guess after they heard that that show that there was bigfoot in these parks in Houston in these different areas.

3:10Houston is humongous. Houston land wise I would I would I think Houston is the largest city in the United States land wise. I think I read that correctly and you could look that up Anthony because I know that it's I think it's New York then Chicago then L.A. Are the three largest cities but that may change because I think Houston is poised to outpace to outpace Chicago. And then I think actually it's funny because I think San Antonio is actually going to be bigger than Dallas but it's already. And I know that Austin had gotten bigger than for worth which is freaking crazy so you know they're all kind of you know moving around you know but in all of these major cities for worth is another one you have in Texas you have Dallas for worth Austin Houston San Antonio kind of goes in that order there's five of them.

4:21For like landmass I don't know exactly. For the second third point six large city land wise it's the sixth name so who's the who's the land wise the biggest so there's one two three for the top four are. Is that even count I'm talking about that actually homocity Oklahoma cities. It's just like the United States. So the land wise is bigger than Phoenix L.A. San Antonio and Jacksonville. So so so so they're just the last in cities that just spread their. They spread their city limits out way out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So let's let's talk about the real United States not some Arctic wasteland i'm talking about the you know people from Alaska probably getting pissed all two of them all two of you are very angry.

5:25Now what i'm talking about is like land wise so Oklahoma city Oklahoma city is big it's spread the hell out I know that but so Oklahoma city is one square mile bigger than Houston eight. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I think it said 599 or something. Houston is 599. So but Oklahoma cities know work near as populated as Houston so let's just put it this way Houston is pretty much the biggest land wise city. Yeah. City okay. Real city yeah. As far as real city Oklahoma city is a big city but it's not like it's not like Houston okay so let's yeah I was wrong you know I thought it was but it pretty much is okay. I would say you're right. I'm not counting. I would I'm not counting Alaska okay whatever dude how many people are in those cities 100. Yeah get great. So yeah so you have Houston who is just like a large city and this happened in a park and I don't know the name of that park.

6:31I just know that when we started talking it was riveting when he was telling me what he was telling me and you know I didn't talk to his friends that just talked to him and it was him and his two friends and this happened to them in Houston in the east southeast side of Houston and not a really good area and it was crazy what happened right. So there are some weird things that happen in those areas we haven't dropped it yet but it's a pre-record that we did about these brothers who and there's so much information I wasn't able to do but to the episodes to get to the actual part of the story. We haven't even gotten to it yet we haven't even finished getting all the information from them but I remember it happened in Pasadena which is like you know southeast of Houston or whatever. And then part of it you know they lived in Houston and in Pasadena Texas and they had a lot of weird stuff happened to them and it was it was because of this book.

7:38You know so when they were talking to me about the weird wild stuff that happened in this abandoned house and stuff and then when they lived in Houston. It didn't really shock me that weird stuff was happening there even in the major bustling bustling city of Houston because it's a humongous city land wise I mean it's just spread out and there are tons and tons and tons of parks and parents may have given me the name of the park and I just didn't write it down right and you know. But yeah so this area right there is just inundated with wildlife which is weird it's it's still part of the you know of the inner city but there's a lot of deer and there's a lot of raccoons and a lot of weird just animals possums everything you can think of and not the least of which you know is. Coyotes right so there's a bunch of coyotes and these animals are living right there in the inner city and they just roam around these parks and if you've ever been to a big city in Texas you'll know that there it's they're all built into like these forests.

8:56There are all these like heavily forested areas and so Houston's no exception it's the same way. Oh yeah especially Houston. And so whenever whenever I was listening to this story one of the things that struck me was like I think I've been through that area like he was talking about and also he still lives in that area you know and his thinking on I guess is like oh well people might get hurt. So he did something unusual and like I said this was like you know 30 years ago you know that he was like a 15 year old kid and so yeah this was like 30 years ago and so he went around you know putting out flyers. You know letting people know that there was a monster something weird something out there he says you know it might have been kind of silly looking back on it and Terrence was like you know maybe I was you know it was wrong or whatever he goes I had a job that next summer at the movie theater and some girls had been chased.

10:02And so he said that he wanted to you know protect people and try to help people and keep them and make them aware that there was something bizarre or weird that was going on there. And so that's what he did and so he went around passing out flyers and just basically him and his friends telling people hey man be careful because there's something in these parks over here. I mean I'm not going to say that you know 30 years ago we didn't the internet wasn't what it is now you know I mean when you look at it 1996 was when this happened this is the 30th at your anniversary of it and he was 15 I mean you know this 45. I think of a thing I think back like this one of these stories where I think back about what happened to me when I was 15 and how it affected me and I did not do that and I go around passing out flyers trying to help people whatever I told a few people they made fun of me and then I told a few other people and they were like oh yeah we know about this.

11:18And so I just started you know cataloging it everybody deals with it their own way. But this is what happened in one night in the spring and I waited to tell this one because it was in May. And I'm just going to go ahead and I'm just going to tell you I'm not feeling real good right now so I'm just trying to do the best I can. I'm going to head ache and I don't know what's going on but May has been a house of horse for me I've lost multiple friends my mother and now my uncle and my my my great aunt to the month of May and my grandmother. So it's just the list goes on and on. So it's really hard you know you grant my grandmother was one of the most important people in my life so it was my great aunt so it was my uncle so it was my mother and to my best friends all passed away in May.

12:19So every week in May is just just difficult. So I try to keep myself occupied my mother and her mother's that is coming up. A couple days. So I just try to do my best to get through it and so if I'm not 100% on point here I apologize. And in advance because show must go on. But my uncle just died yesterday morning so I'm just still kind of you know whatever. But show anyway this story this happened in May. And. So Terrence and his friend JB and this this this this guy they call Bubba. They're all black kids you know they live in the inner city Houston and they were out running around late at night and they were playing around doing things he shouldn't have been doing.

13:24And they decided that there was there was this culvert by where they lived and they decided to go down there. JB lived in the project so did Bubba. Terrence the guy who's told the story he by his own admission he was like. I was considered lower middle class. He's like and these other kids were kind of like you know considered to be very poor. And he's like my my parents in particular my mother was like I don't want you hanging around with those kids because they're going to get you in trouble. And he's like and honestly he goes we did get trouble and it wasn't he goes I was kind of a nerd compared to them. And he goes I was an honor student you know and my nickname was Erkel but he goes when I got older about the about the time that this story happened he goes I played football. And I was a wide receiver and I did very well and he went on to play in the college or whatever. And I can say his last name I don't because he says now that he feels kind of silly talking about it. And doesn't know how people receive it well Terrence isn't a regular listener of the show.

14:28Shelly is and she's the one that told him hey you should talk to this guy he'll keep through your story justice. So we'll put his mind at ease because he didn't realize that you know this this is a program where everybody is a believer you know and the ones that are not just troll trash. And nobody cares. So he'll understand he'll get to know how things work here at PR team. So one of the things that he did a lot in the summertime was run around and stay out late and whatever and get in trouble. And he said this was about a week before school was out. And he's like and we were on that week where we had to start doing finals and whatever. And one of my friends was like he was JB was going to be having to do summer school. So me and Bubba were teasing him about it man we're like yeah you're dumb you got to go to summer school. You know if you go to summer school but he's like oh you're dumb you got to you know whatever. So they were teasing him about insane you're going to have to be in summer school and we're you know we're going to be out whatever.

15:33And he said that he never really had a study. He's really smart. He's a very smart guy. We talked to him. You can tell he's very knowledgeable guy. He's very smart. He works on foreign luxury cars. Thank you for that donation. We appreciate that. He works on foreign luxury cars now. That's what he does. He's like I never knew you're thought I'd be a mechanic but he goes I do what I do you know and he became an engineer. And then he went on to work on cars and he got on his kind of scholarship to a college. So you know guys got it together. He's not some dumb bum. But that being said you know he's told a few people over the years and they laugh at him. The people that he works with have laughed at him. You know he's got people he goes it worked because it worked underneath me now. He goes I'm in charge of a lot of stuff and he goes my own children have kind of teased me about it over the years. And he says that it's not a good feeling when you get made fun of but he says Bubba has since passed away.

16:34JB is still alive. And JB did get in trouble a few times. Bubba had some health problems and he passed away in 2022. But JB has been in and out of jail and has but has since reformed and is working for an outreach program. Because he had drug problems and he's helping other people now that deal with drugs and he's drug counseling which is a good thing. That's a good thing. So congratulations to JB. That's a good thing. But when they were kids they encountered something in the south end of Houston which they will never forget. And they were out in a park and this park had a small little pavilion and it had like a little restroom area or whatever. And it had like an area where there was water like these sprinkler systems or whatever. And kids would go out there and run around and play in them during the day.

17:35And then at night he said it was weird. He goes this place that was really cool and fun to be around and the daytime became really scary at night. And when he first told me that I said oh because we were talking about homeless people and riff rap and stuff like that and he goes now dude. It was wasn't like that. He said in fact a lot of the winos and bums, we could take some magic or whatever he's called winos. He said a lot of the winos and bums and not so good people in society because they really didn't hang out in this park much. And I just wondered about that. I was like why you know there was another park closer to our house. And we didn't really go there because that's where the drugs were being sold. And that's where the gang bangers would congregate. He goes but this little park here at night people stayed away from it for whatever reason. He goes every now and then you'd see a couple kids it would go through there and they would they would have a couple spots where they would skate and stuff.

18:35And he said that it was it was not as close to his house. But they went out of their way to walk there and he said it was about a mile and a half from their house. And he said that it was from his house right. But it was about two or three miles or about two and a half miles from where these guys lived in the projects. And he said and it was weird. It was kind of like an interchange where you had multiculturalism. There was like white people on one side Hispanic people black people and during the day you would meet all kinds of different people at that park. And she said he always liked it during the day. But at night there were it was weird and he said there were rumors and stories and history and Shelley who introduced us. She said that that one night she had a weird encounter there. The rumor was and there have been dog man if you want to call them that do dog man reports out of that particular area. But the rumor was that there was some sort of creature.

19:36But it wasn't a creature it was supposedly a person. And that person would shape shift. He said that for years he'd heard these stories since he was like a seven eight year old kid never saw anything. So he assumed you know it's bull crap. His uncle his uncle Jimmy liked to tease him and tell him there is a monster over there that hangs out on the other side of that park. And it's a shapeshifter and he goes when I was a kid me and your mom that's mom's brother. And our other brother saw this weird creature. And it looked like a white monkey the way he described it and that it was hanging from a tree and it jumped down. And it had a weird look and tail and it ran and then it hit behind another tree. On the other side of that tree out walked a bum. Literally walking like a disheveled old bum drinking wine, which does the term wino. And he said that ever since then he said that he was a believer in the unknown and that so he said though he goes his exact words he goes, my uncle Jimmy is just a savage troll.

20:46He likes to mess with people. He'll tell you all kinds of bull crap. He says I didn't really believe it because when I asked my mom she would just tell me he goes and then back on he goes, I was a very inquisitive kid. I had a you know he's very percussious child and he said you know. My mother may have been trying to keep me from going out there looking for it because I wasn't one of those kids that they told me hey there's a monster over there stay away from it. I would run over there and try to go look. So maybe she was trying to protect me from it because I don't know. He's like but my uncle Jimmy told me this story and finally after I saw what I saw my mother said, oh yeah that really happened. Before that she just would change the subject blow him off whatever. And he's like well thanks mom I could have you know if you would have told me that sooner I would never have gone you know. But you know it was the weekend and they were out of school in a few days and they were just like wanting to hurry it up you know. And so he ended up going to the park late at night at about 11 o'clock and he goes yeah that time there was a 10 o'clock curfew for under age kids and we were all under age I was 15 JB was 16 and bubble was 15.

21:58And he goes and we were all close to the same age we all turned like I was the youngest but only by a couple of months it was like. Because my one friend turned you know 16 but JB he's like and then Bubba was a couple months later and I was a couple months after him so we were all by the same age when much age difference we all played ball together. But he said that they had basketball court there at one time but the rim the rims were torn off so they would go over there and just throw the basket at the square and say oh yeah that's that's how you scored you know. So he said they were over there and they were doing that that night playing basketball with two other kids and they were just playing every man for himself you know whatever. And so everybody was just you know it was a free for all game and he goes and what happens oftentimes is people get into arguments right. And he said so one of our friends Kenny started arguing with our other friend Goldie that's what he called him he says his name was Goldie and Goldie told him you know and Goldie said Goldie was a white kid right there's a blonde and white kid maybe that's why they call him.

23:09You know what he said that the kid a white kid he told him he says man you know you're not you're not counting my shots whenever I throw them whenever I hit the square you're not can whatever. And so they got into an argument and it was getting dark so nobody could really see and he said that this kid hung out with him him and Kenny were like best friends and but they would argue all the time and everybody would just kind of laugh about it you know. And he said like he said that area right there was there were Hispanic kids black kids white kids so this group of Hispanic kids came to play basketball and he said that they told them that they wanted to because there were two goals or whatever and they were. Using the one because it actually had the whatever and so when they came to play these kids were already there right so they just stayed on their side and when they heard the arguing one of those Hispanic kids told them and these were. Think they were all Salvadorian. But those kids told him hey if you want to play with us we can all share this one goal which okay and so they looked at each other like okay let's go ahead and do that.

24:15He said that it was typically if you didn't really know these people especially big city like Houston I've heard some people in Dallas and other town you don't really just can't stick to yourself. Because you don't know what their angle is you don't know what those kids are doing and these are foreigners to and they'll Salvadorian and they send to send to stick together is about the time they first started showing up. And he said that there were some stories when people getting you know messed up or whatever and so a couple of them had to leave because they had to go and he said so it was really just me. JB and Bubba and then Kenny had to leave so we stayed there with gold and we all started playing with the list so it was like they had three dudes and we had like five or four so we just made it work and then one of the kids that was there. He heard his ankle or whatever so he was sitting out so we ended up just dividing the teams up you know and he said that the kid that was sitting out was another Hispanic kid right which made the teams even.

25:18And so it worked out he said but then about 30 minutes of us playing with this you know goal or whatever the basketball goal it worked. He said that one of them it was his brother right and he goes and the guys in was he shoes as he looked around and he was like where's my brother. And he goes where my brother is that's the first time I heard the term heart of my most which means brother in Spanish and so they were all looking around he goes and one of them told him he goes he goes that's their brothers and that's my pretty much that means cousins right. And he said so they they all kind of divided up they split up to go look for this kid because he was only 14 he was the youngest and he was just sitting there and everybody was like remembers him just sitting there to their right. And then all of a sudden he's gone he's like and we played a couple games we were having fun it was just a bunch of kids having fun and then Goldie the one white kid like he goes a little far toward the.

26:22The woods and he says hey man I see something moving in the woods and so they all decided to go over there to where he's at and then he started calling the kid he said what's his name is his name's Hector his brother's name is he says he says he was like Hector Hector so they started calling and so Goldie yells Mrs before you know because he was a good dirty yards away from him he yells into the woods. And this was weird Karen says we all heard this because in JB was like freaked out because JB had had something happened to him there one night he was with his girlfriend a few weeks before and get this so Goldie yells into the woods and he's like he Hector and he hears Hector back. But it wasn't an echo it was like a person saying Hector the way that it sounded was like someone saying and I'm going to try to do the best I can was like like that like it was the way that that that Terrence said that he goes way JB remembers it was like it was the devil.

27:35He goes thank you for that donation Deadpool can we appreciate which weird is like he's like it was like the devil and I was like what do you mean the devil if you heard the devil you know and he goes well you know like like kind of a raspy sound voice and we just thought man sounds like the freaking devil dude. Well that didn't set well with Jesus and the other kid they were just like well this is our you know our friend you know this is this is messed up you know and everybody was afraid they were kind of freaked out you know and so those there were six of them all together and then there was one the one kid that went missing and so those six kids all walked over to the edge of the woods and each one of them took turns saying his name. And those woods were really thick on that area of the south side of that park you know he turned that down from it drama eyes out. And he says that that area of the park was really thick wooded but hey he's used was not not a perturb this is his younger brother he doesn't care you know even though he's only 16 he goes running into the woods against the better judgment of his cousin Gilbert who was there.

28:48And that's what turns is I think I remember his name was Gilbert and like I said Baba had left I was just JB and Goldie and him. And with these other three kids and they're looking for this guy and so he says well maybe we should follow him but nobody wanted to just run into the the thick woods get all scratched up so they kind of. All tentatively made their way to the edge of the woods and he goes it was stupidity and bravery at the same time because we had all heard this thing echoing back and we and so Gilbert said it could be that hey sus was playing games are the heck there was playing games because hey he goes heck you like to the prank and play around he was like that. And he said that they have an older brother to and he they're the same way he's like that but that you know hey sus was the business when he was all about business whatever. And he was the middle brother and so he said that hey sus you know he kind of hung back and said you know I'm going to go around the other side of the park see if I can't find him or whatever because whatever that is could just be a bum playing games trying to pretend like there's you know whatever.

29:59So him Goldie and JB all went to the other side of the park and this dudes walk through the woods parents with this guy Hector or with hey sus looking for Hector as they got further into the woods he was yell with this guy Hector you're trying to help him because I don't know these people from Adam and he was and I'm getting a little nervous and he goes but I could see that there was serious panic in this kid's face and he's like I can't find my brother. I can't find my brother there's no cell phones you know what I mean he said there was a pay phone down the corner down the road but he said that you know he said man do you have any change on you and he goes I started digging through my pockets I said no but he said you know what I got my mayonnaise it's a fanny pack he goes I had a fanny pack I swear it over my shoulder try to look cool but how do you look cool with that right he's just like so I had it over there and there was nothing but some quarters in there to call you know if I needed help or something.

30:5990's kids right this is generation X so he says you know I didn't know what else to do so he goes we you know we went further into the woods we didn't see anything so we walked back out and hey sus was determined he believed that his brother was there in those woods didn't find him so they they took off running that they literally ran got his fanny pack went down to the to the corner where the pay phone was he goes and these guys were trying to play games with us he goes they could have heard us really bad hold on one second books he said and if they if they were trying to play games with us he's like they could have heard us really bad like it was not he did not believe for a minute that this guy was actually he was just you know scared so he said he gave him the quarters and he calls and he's he says mom I've lost Hector I don't know where he's at so his mom freaked out and said okay well I'm gonna come down there his mom very poor people

32:03didn't have a vehicle so she go to bike and they live not too far away people said they're having a problem with the buffering to you too so so he said that that this woman comes down there on her bike and she's with a younger girl who is that guy's sister and they all split up together and go looking he said about an hour in everybody just kind of bummed out they can't find the kid and he goes and I go and I sit down on the park and I'm sitting on the bench you know with my feet on the on the deal he's like and so they all left they all left and they decided they were going to go tell the police what's going on now here's the problem they were all immigrants and back then you know like in the 90s they were real serious about you know immigrant something you know you tell the police and if you hand them your ID

33:03in Houston more so than tech then then Austin you might get deported I mean they might actually say hey or you from you know okay you know and then you might get a visit from you know immigration so they were okay I prepared to call the excuse me they were kind of apprehensive about calmer police and be like hey you know you know but his mother was desperate so she goes back to the house and gets makes gets on the phone and calls several other people from that community so they all go to the park and they start scouring the park going through the woods and they're there for like an hour okay and at this point he says getting kind of late he's like so at one o'clock I just started to go back home I was supposed to be staying with JB and so JB and me we went back to his his house or whatever well he goes his mom his stepmom would do this thing where she would lock him out right so he said you know wind it up we'll go back to my place whatever so he goes we walk

34:07back to my place he's like and we go back into my room he goes and my mother she always worked graveyards at that time he goes so she was at work and I'm sorry he said his dad always worked graveyards so he was at work and his mother because she was like a sound sleeper she would sleep until 3 a.m. and then wake up and then be up until her husband came home and then go back to sleep it's just like something she did so he said it was she was a very sound sleeper so he goes I didn't have to worry about them you know me getting in trouble or whatever nine o'clock my mom was out and he said it was just the way it was so anyways he said that we were there sitting in the room and then we were like man I feel I feel terrible about this kid missing we don't know what the heck happened why did he go what did he go in a way what happened he goes so we sat there for about an hour playing video games and then we decided you know we'd be remiss if we didn't actually go back out and see if we could find him he said so we go back out to the to the to the park we get there

35:11he goes and it's like two in the morning and I said we need to be back for my mom wakes up and show freak out and so him and his friend JB you're sitting there on you know they frueless going through every they even walked through the the gear trail came back up and they see this deer standing there there's nobody in the park everybody's gone by this point they see this deer standing there by the park bench and he said at first we just came out of the woods and we thought oh there's a big old deer right there and he goes and it looked kind of like a little you know a little fun you know but it it was weird he goes the more we stared at it the bigger it got and the horns looked like they were actually growing and he said that it was so bizarre that the front legs of this deer were kind of like it was almost like it was wobbly like a baby but it was too big to be a baby and he said it was about the size of a medium grown deer right he said it puts its its hoves up on the cement park bench and then it stands upright and he goes and you can hear a pop

36:17as this thing became upright he goes and the arms the he said arms he said they folded and I said don't you mean legs he goes no these things were becoming arms right before our eyes and he said that they folded upward and then where the elbows should have been you could still see like there were hooves right there like it was weird like those were the hooves and then it locked into place and then it receded and then hands were coming out of it yeah and he said that the legs were becoming like a man's and this thing's head was shaking back and forth violently he said and then eventually this thing's head turned into kind of what looked like a wolf said and he said that he was like what am I looking at and so then it dropped down off of the bench and began to kind of like I always use the word angelate nobody's really told me that they're not like it was angelating that's my words and I just that's what it was it's what it was doing so it was

37:20angelating and it was kind of moving back and forth moving itself back and forth and then he said that the back legs begin to kick or he was kicking its back legs and the back legs went from hooves to paws and he goes and then this thing for some reason crawled underneath the park bench and kind of just sat there he's like and it was just moving kind of like vibrating he's like it me my friend were freaked out and you have to walk by this to go to get out of there or you'd have to go down this path that takes you through a really bad area and then there's like this really secluded like under you have to go under all these trees and stuff and it's a spot where people have been mugged and essay and stuff and so he we we avoided it he goes but in this case we thought well we're going to take our chances what they called did the path of death or you know murder path that was their you know name for it and so he says let's just take you know death path and let's go so they took off running through there and it's lit up when you first go in then it's dark

38:25and so they were running through this area and they look back and this being the only way they could describe it was a being was like this what looked like a Hispanic dude with long hair was like chasing after them and his arms it looked like his one of one of his arms for sure both of them were kind of freakishly long but one of them was like like it was dangling or something and like he was kind of like he was in the middle of changing into something but he didn't finish and the horns now he had horns with a with a wolf's head that was kind of still in the process of changing and the horns were up and kind of out and he says it reminded him of an animal like from Africa which he thought was weird and this thing was running after him and the lower body looked like like a bear's lower body and that's how he described it he goes in it and that's he sure

39:26wasn't wolf like he's like it might have been wolf like he is but it looked kind of bear like to me and he said that this thing was running after them going down this cement path and then it turns off and to kind of goes into three different directions and it becomes like gravel right like I guess the city had kind of graveled it or whatever back then so he goes I end up taking the left path you know because that is the the one that loops back around and goes back to where we live it's a long ways around he goes you're going to end up going about three or four blocks out of your way through a bad area which is almost you know guaranteed at least an ass-flip in at worst you might end up getting shot or robbed whatever but at best you're probably get mugged or had cost it or you know question and he said that he was running through that neighborhood and he said it was weird he's like nobody out there and it was the weekend Friday night and he was like where's everybody he's like and then they look down the street and there's this creature running toward them

40:28now it was like its arms were like running along you know with its arms kind of like moving back and forth he says things running like Terminator 2 after us you know he's like he goes I watch that movie and I'm thinking did this thing it's like the way it's running you know it's like the way the Terminator would run you know and he said that this thing was coming towards us he goes and we were running he goes we were fast these were fleet-footed kids they both played football one of them was a linebacker JB was bigger than him but he said that I was you know very fleet-footed I was a receiver so I was outpacing JB but I looked back and he wasn't much farther behind me he's fast very big dude and he said he would have been in division one definitely a D1 blue chip recruit if he hadn't been in trouble all the time but anyway he said that this thing was running behind him and he said at this point it just it we look back and it looked like a deer at that point a straight up deer and I said like like on two layers he goes no just like a deer I go regular deer

41:28with big old antlers because it was just running you can hear it's hooves running down the the the street he goes and then when we turned off to the street there were two more blocks to get to my house he's like we look back at this thing and cut across the yard of somebody's yard he's like and we just managed to get inside the house and we looked out and he goes and then we hear bang bang bang and it was on the front door he goes and I kid you not it was 2.59 am my mother's alarm just went off all of a sudden boom boom boom boom he's like and we're inside and she wakes up and she's like good what is going on you know whatever she goes out there into the kitchen and you know and through through the kitchen into the dining room she's got her robe on and she's like what are you boys doing and then she hears bang bang on the front door but there were a rain cameras back then right so she's like what is that and they're like he's like mom don't go out there mom there's a monster out there and she's just like oh yeah

42:31there's a monster shirt she looks out the people and she sees it deer she's like there's a there's a damn deer out there like why is it knocking on our and they're like uh it's not knocking on the door it chased us from the park and she and then I think it was called like Gibson Park at that time or something at that time but I don't know what it's called now because he said that they changed all the names because I don't and he made it reference about it too and he's actually black so he said you know they were all these like oh we got to change these names to some other weird shit because you know they're racist or whatever and he goes I didn't see anything with it but they he's anyway I think it was called Gibson or Gapson or something like that and they changed it to something else to be politically correct that you know years ago and so anyway he said that he told her where they were at and that's why I didn't really want to get into what the name was or whatever part of it but he said that it was you know I guess it was one of those what do they call that you get cancel culture you know yeah

43:35whatever but anyway he said that the park you know it he goes I didn't really see a problem with it I mean it was mostly people of color that were there anyway but he said that you know this thing was banging on the door and he goes and then he goes I hear my neighbor and I hear him coming out he's like an old school black dude just come out angry what the hell what is that what is that noise somebody for you to get shot and then he then he goes I just I'm in I'm in the den at that point and I'm looking out the window trying to see you know and he goes and I hear him go oh hell no and he just like runs back inside his house and he sees this not a deer at this point him and JB he's like he goes and my little brother you know who was there's little brother junior who was always you know snitching and whatever he's like he's my half brother right he comes he comes out and he's like oh you in trouble and he goes I literally grabbed him by the neck and pushed his head

44:38towards the window and was like look and he said to this day so this day he goes my little 12 year old brother that he's like he's 43 or so he still says that I'm the I'm the reason he ended up having to go see a psychiatrist years later right he goes he goes into the military so he goes in the military gets kicked out for misbehaving and he blames me for all of the problems that it ever happened to him and he says it was all because of that creature what they saw was a creature that was all white with like a little bit of brown over the top of it you know and he said the color of like a deer or a cougar you know that tawny brown color and he said that this thing was crawling really fast like by crawling across the yard chasing his neighbor right and he said my neighbor ran for his life and his name was Albert and Albert was just terrified

45:42he's like and so the next day in this thing it ran off of it it went crawled almost like an alligator he had a tail too they said it crawled almost like an alligator you know they crawl and he said it was something between a spider crawl and an alligator ran across the road and was gone went underneath the car then they didn't see it anymore his mother was freaking out call the police so the police show up and of course they're like so you had a prowler and she's like hey no prowler she's like no this was some kind of creature or monster and they're like so she's that and there was this one cop she said she said what she told tawny is that there were two cops there's one cop that was completely enthralled and listening to her and saying oh I believe you you know we've had stories about that and the other cop she said in this cop he was black he was the sergeant right and he looked at that guy like he better be quiet so the Hispanic cop

46:43got quiet was it okay because he was you know the the underling whatever he was younger and this older sergeant whatever says look man I'm not taking no report about no monster I'm I'll put a description on there whatever and she says well you should because that's what it was and he says well that's what you say it is and then they got a girlfriend and Albert came over started raising such a ruckus that another cop had showed up and he basically put Albert in handcuffs Albert didn't resist that's the neighbor but he was adamant about what he saw and what chased him that night and he kept telling these police look something came at me it was beating on the neighbor's door and there was such a ruckus that's why I came outside to see what was going on and then this thing came and tried to cost me right so that's what happened and the story he goes it just took on a life of its own in the neighborhood he goes there were people that remembered for years that that

47:46there was this creature he's like but it wasn't just from my story he said for days afterwards there was stuff that was going around our house and I said what do you mean he says well like we were gone on a basketball because they had a summer league right so we're on a basketball trip and we were we had gone to north Houston now like I said Houston's huge big a day or two hours I get there driving to go from one party Houston the other you might be two two hours three hours and it's always been like that's been a big city for a long time so he says we were gone for you know multiple hours doing this basketball tournament he's like and some people said that they saw a weird pale lizard-like creature scale our fence and unfortunately he goes our dog jacks he ended up paying the price their dog ended up being taken they found blood on the back

48:46fence and the fence was partway broken and torn and they think that this creature came and took the dog here's what happened with the El Salvadorian kid so he was found later that that next morning the police were called they had gone through there they didn't see anybody at the park so they left probably right before this guy Terrence and JB got back as far as I could tell from the timeline they didn't find him but then later on they found him hiding in a dumpster right so this kid ends up in a dumpster and he was found by an off by an off not an off-duty and undercover cop that was driving through and and like there was a bum that had ran up to the car this is kind of funny and the cop is supposed to be undercover but the bum knew he was a cop so the bum goes up and tells him you know this is what Terrence said and this is what he called him a bum but he was a

49:50homeless guy so he says the homeless guy goes up to the cop and tells him hey man I was digging digging through the traction there's a dead guy in there so the cop goes really and the cop saying he radio's at anyone who blows cover and he says can you get away from my car you know whatever and the the guy you know just went away and he said that what was weird about it was according to what Terrence said his friend one of his friends he went to school with the undercover cop was his uncle and he said that that cop years later at a barbecue told him I was the cop that was this is how he knows what happened he said when that bum turned to walk away from me right he said I turned to look and I see a coyote running away yeah so that was weird and the the bum was gone he said that at that point the cop go gets out of his car and he's really confusing he's freaked out he's like where did this guy go I see his big coyote so then he goes

50:55up to the to the trash can and he sees a person a kid face down look deceased and he says him we got a possible you know a homicide or you know a deceased person these two cops come they deal with it he goes he goes I get back on my car and I drive away trying to keep my cover whatever and he's like we were I was staking out of crack house right so he said that these guys found the kid the kid was unresponsive at first but they started doing CPR on him and they don't know how long he was there but apparently the kid had actually stopped breathing and his heart was not working and they worked on him he remembers nothing the the only thing he remembers is this he heard somebody call his name when he got it when he had gotten up to go to the restroom and then nobody was playing that every time basketball and this panting and he went to the restroom he hurt when he came out of the restroom he heard somebody call his name in the edge of the woods and it said

52:00Hector and so he walked over there to the area of the woods where he was whatever and he just that's all he remembers he sees a shadow and that's it here's another weird part of this now this is a person that I ended up getting to talk to through Terrence because Terrence can be a PI the way he he went through all of this and I was pretty impressed but he said he goes you need to talk to a woman he goes her name is Sophia he said Sophia is a Hispanic girl she's Mexican he's like but she was friends with that family he goes and went to school with her he goes and she gave us a little bit of the 4-1-1 apparently after this incident Hector was not normal anymore Hector became somebody else to the point where some of this family wondered if after this incident if Hector was

53:00even really Hector anymore and that's weird but yeah and we will talk about that again tomorrow night is the lost episodes and we will actually we were going to do the black bunny man but I have another person to interview about that in Beaumont from from Beaumont but Hector so what we're going to do is this is a story that was given to me a while back you know but I never got around to telling this guy's encounters so what I'm going to do is talk about Hector tomorrow night on the Patreon tomorrow night's Patreon Thursday and we do the lost episodes so join the Patreon get yourself in as a Patreon member you won't be disappointed and you'll be able to hear the conclusion of this made this story stands on its own so if you're not interested in it you're not interested in it that story stands on its own too it's not like you're not going to get you know whatever but that's Terrence's story that's him and JB and what happened to them in the park in Houston but

54:06what ended up happening to this other kid is a freaky story in of itself I didn't get to interview him but I did interview his brother and his brother said that you know Hector changed things were different things were weird there was it was not the same so we're going to talk about that tomorrow but thank you for sticking with me tonight you know like I'm saying I'm not feeling 100% hope I did the story justice or whatever people are saying the YouTube is glitching I don't know what's going on but anyway we'll be here tomorrow night on the lost encounters on Patreon so tonight or tomorrow night thank you for tuning in we'll see you good night