The Next Playbook? Fuel Rationing, Bird Flu, Digital IDs & the War on Freedom w/ Jon Fleetwood

Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad.

I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse.

Governments are reaching for the emergency toolkit again.

Work, travel limits, fuel restrictions, behavioral management dressed up as civic duty.

Australia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Laos, Vietnam, one after another, governments have ordered

their workers home, they've rationing fuel, and they're discouraging travel.

Not because of a virus, but because of the oil shock that's triggered by the conflict

in the Middle East.

So different crisis, same governance instinct.

And that should make you ask the bigger question.

And as a temporary emergency response, stop being temporary, because that's the pattern.

That's what we keep watching.

One crisis justifies the measures, the measures build the infrastructure, and the infrastructure

doesn't retire when the crisis does.

It waits.

It gets repurposed.

It gets upgraded.

COVID wasn't just a health event.

It was a turning point, a stress test for how far governments, global institutions and

digital systems could push surveillance, compliance, and centralized authority.

And how much people would accept when they're frightened enough?

So people who studied all this said it very clearly.

It's naive to think that a big, successful health tracking system will just be taken

apart once the pandemic is over, and they're right.

So in September of last year, the new WHO rules went into effect that include digital

health certificates and applied to almost every country on earth.

So the control systems that were built during COVID didn't vanish.

At the global level, they were cleaned up and written into rules and made official.

Now here in the United States, some parts of the government are actually shutting down

certain CDC tracking systems.

Now at first glance, that might look like things are going back to normal.

But if you zoom out, you see something else happening this time.

A global treaty-based system is being built above all of this.

The rules, the technology, and the data channels are being set up to be permanent to last beyond

this crisis and the next one and the one after that.

So ask yourself, why would you build a permanent system to manage a temporary problem?

So in this interview, John Fleetwood, an investigative writer who focuses on the pandemic policy

and biosecurity, breaks that question down, lockdown, logic, emergency powers.

The bird flu warnings are already being seeded into the news cycle, and scientists are

not just being quiet about it.

So in January, 2026, this year, virologists warned that a bird flu could spark a human

pandemic.

Institute pasture researchers said that it could be worse in COVID.

The preparedness infrastructure is already being positioned.

So what do we need to know?

This isn't just a conversation about COVID.

It's not about the bird flu.

It's about the reusable governance model running underneath both of them.

The one that uses a crisis to expand surveillance, centralize authority, and normalize control.

And why right now, as we watch it being run again under a completely different pretext,

it's exactly this time that we have to be understanding it.

So I hope you enjoyed this interview with John.

I hope it's very helpful for you before we jump in.

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John Fleetwood, it's great to have you on the show.

Thank you so much for giving us your time today.

Absolutely.

Thanks for having me on set.

It's an honor.

Thank you.

Yeah, it is.

It is to have you here.

It's not as well.

So let's just start just at one of the kind of the origins of this overall conversation.

You've got a sub-stack.

Actually, I'll pull it up.

And this is how I first became familiar with you and your sub-stack is just at johnfleetwood.com

and john without an H is J.O.N.

This is what I think is amazing in what's happening right now is this isn't some big news

website.

This is sub-stack and you are just an independent journalist.

You're not some guy with some Harvard degree in journalism and everything.

You're just a guy in America that is trying to put the pieces together and share that

with your fellow Americans.

And I think that that's, I really want to highlight the importance of that because what

you're doing, I guess actually what I'm doing too, this is citizen journalism.

And I think this is the number one way we fight this war that we're in right now is just

by searching relentlessly for the truth and trying our best to get to as many people as

possible because I think it is an information war.

But what are your, I guess, what are your thoughts on that?

Yeah, like my, you know, my degrees are in theology and, you know, I've worked in the

church for a long time.

And when I was in seminary, I, it was right after Trump got elected and we had, we had

a class on ecclesiology.

So ecclesiology supposed to be about the church, we're supposed to be learning about the church,

the ecclesia for, you know, what did that look like in the Old Testament, the New Testament?

Well, right after Trump got elected, my professor is a PhD at Christian University, really,

really popular one.

This is 2016, 2017, right timeline?

Yes, yes.

So just like right, it was like a day or two right after we got elected and I had my ecclesiology

course and my professor had us put our desks in a circle, you know, like when we were kids

in grade school, so that we could air our grievances that this, you know, racist homophobes,

you know, phob, you know, bigot, all the, you know, Hillary Clinton stump speech stuff had

just gotten elected.

And, you know, students were like crying in class and I thought, you know what, I need

to find some sort of way to bridge the gap here and maybe try to reach my professor a

little bit or at least try to figure out, you know, how he thinks because I'd been researching

Marxism at the time, that's what I was, you know, focusing writing on because of the

horrors of it.

And I asked my professor, hey, can I, can I talk to you after class?

And he said, yeah, you go ahead and walk with me.

I'm walking with him.

And I said, Professor, I'm so thankful that you are so, you know, politically adept.

It's really cool that you are.

And he said, well, he's like, John, I don't know what you mean.

I said, well, you know, you had us put our desks in a circle and you're talking about how,

you know, this racist homophobes, xenophobes, you know, it's a Hillary Clinton stump speech.

You obviously watch her, her speeches because that's literally what she says.

And he said, I have no idea what you're talking about.

And he was dead serious.

And I sort of stopped in my tracks and my hair stands up right now, even thinking about

it because I realized that he really did have no idea.

This was a PhD, a purportedly Christian professor at a top Christian seminary in the United

States in California.

And he had no idea that he had been indoctrinated by this cultural Marxism where everything

Western is evil.

If it's white, it's evil.

If it's male, it's evil.

If it's heterosexual, it's, it's evil.

If it's Christian, it's evil.

If it's conservative in any way, it's evil.

It's, you know, once you see that, you understand the cultural Marxism and how that came from

the Frankfurt School out of Marx and Ingalls.

It was just the, you know, the sort of classical Marxism rich versus poor narrative converted

into cultural terms.

It's no longer just if you're rich and you're part of the bourgeoisie or evil, bourgeoisie

got converted into your, you know, if you're a Western male, especially the middle class

was too strong in America for that.

They couldn't create that rich versus poor.

They had to get into identity politics instead.

Precisely.

And they had to sneak it into the universities.

They had to sneak it into even the Christian universities.

And I'm sitting there realizing this because I'm reading, who was it, Andrew Breitbart,

Righteous Nation.

Oh yeah, good book.

Righteous Nation.

Righteous Nation.

Yeah.

And so while I'm reading that and I'm talking to my professor and I'm realizing our,

aren't even our Christian institutions, like these should be the last alamo of protecting

conservative Christian Western ideals and even, even that had been taken over.

So I realized as a Christian, you know, like I'm leading worship at the time and I'm preaching,

I'm realizing my goodness, like the Christian church has no idea that it has been overtaken

by cultural Marxism, which, which has led to the death of Norman Geisler says in his

work, but before he passed away, that you could argue, he argued it was over a billion

people had been injured or killed by, you know, Mount Mausetung in China, Pol Pot in

Indochina, Chow Chescu, you know, you name it Mussolini, Hitler even, National Socialist

Party, anywhere socialism and Marxism go Stalin, my goodness, the holiday more millions

and millions of people of Christians, specifically, specifically white Christians by and large

in that.

Yes.

And we, and we had no idea.

So I realized at that time that I had to start getting into politics and so I started

a website.

It was called OC Conservative and a little nonprofit out there called American Faith, got a hold

of me.

They just started, that's how I sort of cut my teeth as a managing editor and really

getting into, into news, but, but really Seth, I just, I see what's going on in the world

with black rock and the world economic forum and, and Bill Gates and the elites and this,

this globalist system is, it's, it's happening under our noses.

It's right in front of us, but it's hidden and it's couched behind these, these, this sort

of air of the scientific community, if it's the scientific consensus, then it's going

to be pushed on us.

That's how the pandemic got started, the, the WHO called it and, and, you know, then that

started all the pandemic measures, the lockdown measures, the masking, the social distancing,

the vaccinations, all of things which have turned out to be really bad for us.

And it's happening to people because really Seth, it's, I feel like we're all being bullied

into this, this authoritarianism and with, with a cudgel of science.

So that's why I focus on going through PubMed, finding the peer reviewed literature that,

and, and criticizing it and, and pointing out its flaws and then pointing out the peer

reviewed literature that counters what, what the, what the, what the mainstream position

is.

I'm glad you mentioned some of those things because I've been reflecting on this a lot

lately and I would argue, if I was to ask you, what, what, what, what, what, what, what

do you think it would be?

I would assume Christianity is the largest or maybe, maybe Islam.

So I would argue the world's largest religion is science.

And I actually think that they've turned it into a religion where you even have your,

your different levels of degrees and like your different levels of understanding.

But then actually people are taught to believe science as if it's a faith.

It's like to believe it just because it is.

Like if you look at the tenets of like, what is a religion?

It's okay.

You have a text that is centrally studied oftentimes based upon the words of a central

person that may have enlightened to or are kind of brought forth that, that kind of message

from heaven, right?

In terms of religious globally.

Yes.

And people are then, they study the text and they believe it.

But actually, if you look for so many people and it's kind of, it's hard to ask certain

people that might be offended by it.

But it's like, where does your faith lie?

And it's like they believe more in science than in God and then in heaven, right?

And they're, and they're, they're really controlled by it.

It's almost as if what's happened, I think in modern society versus the old society,

it's almost as if in the old society, the, the divine was what was real.

And you use that to understand the world around you.

But here in modern science, science and, and these things that we can see and touch, that's

what's real.

And you use that to understand the divine.

And I think we've, it's been a massive kind of, I think very intentional, flip to get

people to be controlled by science because I, my wife, I love historical documentaries

and historical dramas and historical books and novels and whatnot.

And you can see, like, you know, looking at how people acted, and of course, this is portrayed

through, you know, film and everything.

But you can see how they acted towards the world and, and before they had this systematic

science.

And if something happened, whether they were, say, a, a Viking day and they'd say,

oh, it's as the God's willed it or say they were a, you know, a Christian, right?

Or, you know, a Saxon, they would say, that's God's will, right?

But now it's like, well, that happened because of this, because of, because of science.

Anyway, just just the interesting thought I want to have been thinking about, literally

in the past couple of days, that as you're talking, it's like, oh, it's just a, I'm curious

what your thoughts are on that coming from your background in theology.

Yeah, it's, it's a scientism, isn't it?

Yeah.

And as Christians, we believe ecclesiastes when it says that God has written eternity on

our hearts.

And I think it was Pascal who said, called it a God-shaped hole.

We all have a God-shaped hole in our heart and we try to fill it with all kinds of things.

And I think you're right.

I think that is probably the main religion right now is a sort of scientism, at least it's

being broadcast by the mainstream establishment as, you know, being the most important thing.

That's the thing we have to bow down to.

And that's why I focus so much on trying to pick it apart on their level.

You know, like, for example, I've been using the government's blast tool where you can,

you can align different genomes and kind of analyze things genetically.

Well, I found out that the PCR test that they use to detect both COVID and influenza

right now on the CDC's website, you can, you can actually get the genetic sequences

of the primers and the probes that they use to use in the PCR tests.

And as it turns out, these primers and probes match human genetics.

And the reasons that's significant is because these PCR tests, what they're supposed to do,

is they're supposed to find obviously like a long piece of genetic code.

And so they have these things called primers and probes.

There's two primers and one probe, and they each have one part of that genetic

target sequence that they're going for in a sample.

And the all three of those pieces have to latch on to the same genetic molecule in the right order.

Well, their mere images, there's supposed to be mere images of the genetics that they're

supposed to be detecting. And then if they, those primers and probes bind to these molecules,

then it floresces and you get a positive PCR test and PCR tests are how you declare things

like pandemics. They're how you, you know, say, okay, we have to social distance now.

We have to lock down now. We have to do all these authoritarian dystopian things.

So case, case numbers are really important to focus on, especially how they get those case numbers,

PCR tests. And those primers and probes, if you put the genetic sequence of one of the

pr, like the forward primer, for example, it's only like 15 or 20 nucleotides, you know,

G's A, C, T. If you plug that into the blast tool and you say, hey, does this match any human

genetics, you'll get hundreds of hits between not just the forward primer, the reverse primer,

and the probe. And so, are we, is, when we get a positive test, are we just detecting human

genetics? Are, are these probes and primers just binding to the, the human genetic material

in these samples? And then if you dig into it further, you find out and you call that a false

positive. Well, there's something like 97% false positives rates for the PCR test, according to

peer review, 97% at the time, when, when you take a positive PCR test and you grab the sample

that that positive P, P PCR test came from, and then you try to culture it, you can't get a

viral culture. That's 97% of the time. So there, in other words, only 3% of the time when they

take the sample that they got this allegedly positive PCR test, when you take that and you culture

it and you try to grow more virus from it, you can't find any virus there. So they call that a false

positive. The PCR test, you know, registered as a positive. Oh, yeah, we found virus here, but when

you try to culture it, 97% of the time, there's no virus there. So there's something like a 97%

false positive rate. Well, it's like, wait a minute. If case numbers is how we get pandemics and how

we get lockdowns and, you know, all the countermeasures that we're supposed to take in the vaccines,

I mean, if you're calling into question the whole thing, like, did they declare a COVID pandemic

and push these deadly vaccines on us just by because of false positives? I mean, these are the

questions that most journalists, the average journalist at CNN or Fox News, you know, isn't going

to be looking into these things. Number one, because they're mainstream. But number two, because

it's kind of hard, how do you use, how do you use blast? How do you use these genetic alignment

tools and how, how do you test the, the primary genetics against human genetics? Most people don't

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Marxism takeover and the World Health Organization and BlackRock and all these, these, these structures

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It's really interesting piecing this all together as I'm listening to you and talking and thinking

about how this is being used, right? You know, the PCR test, the fear of a virus, etc. And

something I've been reflecting on a lot lately and what I want to really focus a lot more on it

with with the man in America show is understanding how did America get to where it is right now?

Like really looking at what was life like in the 50s? And what is life like now? And

what changes happen? There's a lot of changes that happen whether it's the 60s movements or there's

so many things that happened. But what I'm seeing as I'm piecing this together is that it's obvious

that the pandemic was a tool to bring in a new level of control. And whether that was intentional

or whether it was accidental is kind of doesn't really matter as much because it happened, right?

And so people became the idea of being forced to wear a mask or forced to social distance or

forced to take a vaccine to keep your job. These became normalized amidst that pandemic.

But it's interesting tying that to what we're talking about the religion of science because

if you subscribe to the idea that we're being led into a technocratic society that we're being

led into some sort of, you know, an engulf of some sort of kind of centralized global system

that's really built off a technology. Well, technology and science go hand in hand. And

if you want to take a people, whether it's the American people or the people around the world,

and you want to rule them by technology, I think you first have to get them to worship technology.

And you have to get them to subscribe to technology. I think that you also have to get them to

make technology and science their God that they will listen to. And I think that's what we're seeing

here is because let's just say they tried ruling out the pandemic in the 50s, hypothetically,

right? The same thing. You might have a lot of these people that were just saying, you know,

well, in my Bible it says this, I'm not going to be doing this, right? I'm not going to listen to

some scientists. Like, I'm going to listen to my preacher. At that time, the preachers would have

been saying, there's no way you're going to stop our church service on a Sunday, right? There's

no way you would have had anybody, any churches in the 50s, shutting down their services or forcing

masks or forcing people to have a vaccine passport to attend church, right? So I think it's a long-term

plan to get people to first, I think, to place science at the center of their belief system

because then through that science, they could then talk about things like PCR tests and transmission

rates and all these things that would actually make people very fearful of the unknown of the virus,

whether it was a virus or not, and there's a lot to be on that, right? But it almost doesn't

matter because people were scared of it as if it was an ax murderer at their front door for a

lot of people. And so, you know, that, I think, also brings us into, I think, a core topic that we

can get into in the show today, which is what's coming next? Because, you know, it's like we saw,

we saw the pandemic, we saw what it did to our society, we saw the wealth transfer, the splintering

of families, the amount of fear and propaganda and everything. What it did, nothing mentioned,

the mass injections of these, you know, so-called vaccine. We also saw that, you know, our current

president, President Trump, at that time, when he was president, was pretty involved in making

these things happen, right? Whether it was through operation warp speed or, you know, a lot of the

lockdowns, you know, even though he did push it to the state level, you know, he didn't necessarily

on day three, fire Fauci and stop the vaccine program. I mean, and so, and if you look at a lot of

what's happening right now under the Trump administration, let alone what happens under the next,

say, you know, Pete Buttigieg or Gavin Newsom or whoever gets in at your Trump, right?

And based upon trends, we're seeing it probably won't be Republican. There's a lot of concern about

what comes next because I think it was a very effective tool for social engineering and bringing in

new levels of control. I think that that's a central part to what I've seen you really focusing on

in your writing is really trying to help people understand that just because the pandemic is over

and let people woke up to it, it doesn't mean that they don't have plans for another one. In fact,

according to what you're going to be telling us about, almost everything points to the fact that

there is another one coming. So I'll let you kind of start with wherever you want to, wherever you

want to on this. Yeah, and I'm so glad we have people like you who are afraid and willing to talk

about these things. You know, I couch whenever I think about these things, the first thing I go to

is sort of a 30,000-foot view where I think about the last, you know, 100 years or so. The United

States government, unfortunately, has released what you can call bio-weapons, biochemical

weapons on U.S. citizens. You can, you know, and I'm not just talking about Tuskegee. I'm not just

talking about them radiating patients in the hospital that Bill Clinton had to come out and do a

mayocopal for. But I'm talking about things like Operation LAC, where in the last century, they,

they, the U.S. military with, I believe it was Stanford, one of the Ivy League universities that

were supposed to respect sprayed zinc cadmium sulfide over Americans without them knowing, without

informed consent, that, you know, later came out. Has its own, you know, Wikipedia page,

Operation C spray over in California in San Francisco where they released the U.S. government,

again, released a bacteria called serration marcescence over citizens without their consent,

without them knowing in a fog of all things. And that led to deaths, various infections. You have

over on the, on the east coast in New York, you had Operation Big City where they did the same

thing. They released pathogens. They put them inside of a glass light bulb and then through the,

and then broke the glass light bulb in the subway system and released pathogens.

You've got FDA, you know, Commissioner Marty McCarrie now saying that he believes the

Lyme disease came out of, you know, Plum Island in, in New York from a, from a U.S. bioweapons

laboratory. Unfortunately, I don't, I don't enjoy this, but once I saw it, I couldn't

unsee it. The U.S. has a long history, unfortunately, of, of harming its own citizens with, with

different things that you could call bioweapons. And the, the U.S. many portions of the U.S.

government from the White House to Congress to select subcommittee on, on coronavirus to the

Department of Energy, to the CIA, to the FBI, to German intelligence, all say that the COVID pandemic

came from a laboratory. This was a pathogen that was engineered in a laboratory. Now,

whether you think it was a full virus or just the spike protein or whatever it is, maybe it's

something other than what they're telling us it was. The government's been doing this for a

long time. And it's like, if, if you know somebody who has, you know, if, if somebody hits you,

you're in a relationship and somebody, you know, punches you in the face when they get mad at you,

and they say, sorry, forgive them, you move on a couple of months later, they do it again.

A couple of months later, you do it again. Eventually, you realize, okay, this is a,

this is a problem that this person has. I probably shouldn't be the, around them anymore,

if they've been harming me. That's unfortunately the situation we have with the U.S. government,

of them performing these experiments on the human population. Where are we going now?

It looks like it will be a bird flu pandemic. And the reason I say that is because you have

guys like X, CDC, Director Robert Redfield, he has said the next, the next pandemic will be

bird flu. It'll have something like a 50% kill rate. He's been saying that for a long time.

You have the, the COVID's are who, who was the COVID's are over in Britain. I believe his name is

Bell, John Bell, I believe. He said the same thing. It'll, it'll be a bird flu pandemic. We have,

we have gain a function research off the charts right now. If you go into PubMed and put in

quote marks H5N1 and hit enter, you can see there's been a massive spike or avian influenza hit,

hit enter and you'll see there's been a massive spike in gain a function research specifically on

bird flu pathogens, the, the hemagglutinin, the durimidase, these, these proteins in the bird flu

pathogen, they've been enhancing. They call it reverse genetics now. Yeah, you can see there's,

there's been a nice spike there. 10,000 results. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable. And

it's all around specifically H5N1. It's, it's a type of influenza a virus. They, they figured out

for years, they've known how to make this infectious in humans. It only takes a couple amino acids.

And that's the level that they're at right now, Seth is they know the specific amino acids that

they can change that, for example, with the, with the COVID spike protein, will bind to ACE

to receptors in bird flu. It's something different. It's called alpha two six. That's the human

receptor that the, that the bird flu pathogen binds to. But they, they've been figuring out,

they know how to do this. They've known how to do it for a long time, this specific genetic

changes. They have to alter in these pathogens to make them, in fact, humans, while simultaneously,

they're building the countermeasures for a bird flu pandemic, namely vaccines. And this is,

there's many, many types of platforms. It's not just mRNA, but it's SA, self-assembling,

or self-replicating mRNA vaccine platform. There's also a BPL platform beta-propeo lactone

is the type of vaccine, you know, style that the US government right now is creating for their

bird flu platform called Next Generation Gold Standard. This was under the Trump administration.

Half a billion dollars, Seth, 500 million dollars, that the US government is spending on creating

bird flu vaccines, not chicken-gun you vaccines, not monkeypox vaccines, you know, not measles vaccines.

This is half a billion dollars for Next Generation vaccine specifically for bird flu.

And just a reminder for people, this is under Trump and RFK Jr. This isn't Biden Harris and

his band of people, right? This is under the current administration.

Trump, RFK Jr. This is being rolled out.

That's right. And RFK, you remember when he put the kibosh on all those different mRNA projects,

the ones he didn't put the kibosh on all of them and the ones that he allowed to go through were

specifically, you know, bird flu mRNA vaccines, but there's still all kinds of problems with this,

even this BPL, because they're trying, you can tell Seth they're trying to get away,

we don't want to push the mRNA stuff anymore because everybody sees the problems with that.

It's so obvious now, even, you know, mainstream reports now are saying how bad this stuff is.

So we're going to use this BPL technology. Well, beta-propeo lactone, it's a known carcinogen.

It's actually categorized as a carcinogen by U.S. regulators and it's even worse over in Europe,

so it's a known carcinogen. Tobin Berger, who is, you know, Fauci 2.0, he's,

he's Jeffrey, Dr. Jeffrey Tobin Berger, he's the head of NIAD. So he took Fauci's spot,

unfortunately, the head of NIAD now, he has a patent for BPL vaccines for the very technology

that's going to this half a billion dollar project. And Tobin Berger, as head of NIAD,

not only holds a patent for BPL technology, the center of the Trump administration's bird flu

vaccines, as NIAD head, he also gets to, okay, how much of our tax dollars are going to gain a

function research. And he is right now directing millions and millions and millions of dollars

specifically to bird flu pathogen gain of function. So there you go, you got USDA, Iowa State

University Lab, engineer New Chi-Maric Bird flu viruses that bind to human breast tissue,

and this is out of it. And this is what I do, Seth. I just list the journal. This isn't stuff

we're making up or stuff we're guessing. This is what they're telling us. They're souping up

these pathogens. And I have hundreds of these articles where I take, these aren't old publications

from journals from all 2023 or 2022. These are brand new every single day. I've made a job

out of going on to PubMed and finding the latest articles that are coming out from top journals

that are respected in the mainstream. That confirm we are right now souping up bird flu pathogens

so that they are more pathogenic, cause more disease, can infect humans. Unfortunately,

that's the direction we're going. The omnibus bill a few years back allocated a billion dollars

with a B for a coming zoonic, which means it's going to jump from animals to humans, which is what

they predict, predict bird flu will do. Coming bird flu pandemic, Australia has done the same thing.

They've pumped a billion dollars into influenza. Canada is stockpiling right now vaccines for a bird

flu. There are various manufacturers are building brand new facilities. You've got the world

for creating bird flu vaccines. You've got the world health organization doing one project after

another to try to get the reins early on for a coming bird flu pandemic. So if there's going to be

one set, I think it will be bird flu. Here's just another example of one of the WHO initiatives.

This is over in Egypt. WHO deploys national pandemic influenza surveillance grid in Egypt.

And that's like all the like national pandemic influenza surveillance grid. That's nightmare fuel

right there. So you can see though that this stuff is being rolled out. It hasn't stopped.

I think that there were there were a lot of people that had hope that 2025 would be the year of

ending a lot of these initiatives of Trump ending and exposing the truth about this stuff and

making sure that this isn't going to happen again. But what we're seeing though is

unfortunately, we're seeing the opposite. We're seeing as you mentioned, huge budgetary

allocation towards these things. We're seeing a continued push from present Trump

to acknowledge the success of operation warp speed continuing to, you know, even that there's

been a couple of small tweets here in there that make you think maybe they're going to start

opening a little stuff, but we haven't seen any indication. We're seeing Bill Gates and Albert

Borla sitting side by side at the dinner table with Trump. So you can see the writing on the wall.

Now there's another article I want to pull up that I think is worth mentioning here. You can see

it was this one right here. I'll read a little bit about this, but I'd love to have you explain

this more because, you know, problem reaction solution. And we talked about how, you know,

the COVID pandemic brought in a whole new level of the surveillance state and gained, you know,

in a lot of ways, you couldn't say necessarily gain acceptance from the public, but people,

in a lot of ways, they did accept it, but they became used to it, became much more normalized.

And so you look at what this is right here. The who Gates blueprint for global digital ID,

AI driven surveillance and lifelong vaccine tracking for every person, you can see how those three

things go hand in hand, right? Global digital ID, AI driven surveillance and lifelong vaccine

tracking tracking. I mean, this is, you can see that right there are the pillars of a system.

So here, I'll read just the first paragraph. It's not I'd love to have you help to

kind of further this information for us. So it says in a document published in the

October Bolton of the World Health Organization, and funded by the Gates Foundation,

the World Health Organization is proposing a global, globally interoperable digital identity

infrastructure that permanently tracks every individual's vaccination status from birth.

The dystopian proposal raises far more than privacy and autonomy concerns.

It establishes the architecture for government overreach, cross-domain profiling, AI driven

behavioral targeting, conditional access to services, and a globally interoperable surveillance

grid tracking individuals. And so if you if you look at this, but also you look at

you know, Trump's coziness with big tech with people like Larry Ellison who has talked about

you using AI to surveil and how AI will be able to respond faster than the police and then

getting into AI developed vaccines. But then you start looking at that and you look at a lot of the

government initiatives for data centers and the development of AI, whether it's Project Stargate,

Jim and I or no Genesis, right? You're looking at all these different initiatives to really

build a massive digital AI infrastructure. You take that and you pair that together with the

looming H1N1, you know, the idea of that, you know, kind of virus both the development of the

vaccines for it, but also the research and kind of function, you start to see a picture emerging

here that I think is really important to bring attention to. That's I know what you're

committing a lot of your time too. And I think hopefully we can do with this discussion today.

Yeah, and I don't want to give anybody the wrong picture like I'm, you know, like I have Trump

derangements syndrome or anything like that. I mean, I voted for the guy both times, of course,

but you know, nobody's coming to save us. The, the remember, remember when they were talking

about the black box warning that they were thinking about putting the vaccines. Well,

apparently that recommendation came from within the FDA. You had Marty McCary on some show,

something nation I can never remember the name of the show, but I saw a clip where he was explaining

that it actually came from within the FDA. This wasn't like some, you know, anti-vaxer who,

you know, John Fleetwood wrote a letter where he thinks, you know, they need to put a black box

wasn't like that. It was, it actually came from like within the agency and they still didn't go

along with it. So unfortunately, you know, no one's coming to save us. And there have been,

and if you go on to VAERS, the vaccine adverse event reporting system or just go to openvairs.com,

they list 40,000 deaths have been linked to the, to the COVID vaccine. And then you add to that the

Dr. Lazarus report that was commissioned by Health and Human Services. This is an HHS

commission report that confirmed that less than 1% of vaccine adverse events, including deaths,

are even reported to VAERS in the first place, less than 1%. So that means you have to take whatever

numbers they give us from VAERS and multiply it by 100. And now you're getting a more accurate

number. So if you've got 40,000, you put two zeros after that. Now you're at something like 4 million.

You're telling me there have potentially been 4 million deaths linked to the,

linked to the COVID jab. Well, if you believe HHS commission documents done in collaboration with

Harvard Pilgrim, then yes, and still, something so easy. And it would be so easy for Trump to,

it's such an easy win. Like put a black box warning on it. You'll get so many people like me,

and the people who are skeptical and so-called anti-vaccine people. You'll get so many of them back

into your tribe. Because again, this isn't TDS. I'm just speaking truth here. I voted for him twice.

But Trump, we're talking about the World Health Organization right now. Trump's CDC and FDA

are actively participating. And that's a direct quote from government documents in WHO,

specifically bird flu seminars. And this is despite, people always come to me and say,

well, he signed an executive order. Yeah, I cite it for you. And I give you links to the executive

order in the articles. The executive order did say, hey, we need, we need to pull out from WHO

completely. Nevertheless, after that executive order, you've still got the CDC and the FDA

actively participating with the World Health Organization, specifically for bird flu. So no one's

coming to save us. We have to be coming at these things on a grassroots level. We have to be

talking about it, which is again, why I'm so thankful for you and your show, Seth. But yeah,

this, what they're doing with the World Health Organization, this sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

Like blueprint for global digital ID, AI-driven surveillance, lifelong vaccine tracking for every

person. It sounds like I'm making it up. It sounds like an Alex Jones fever dream. But everything is

in quote marks. That's my job. I don't have to be hyperbolic. You know, looking at these things,

you have to know where to find the documents, but you don't have to be hyperbolic.

My headlines are always directly from quotes from the studies or from the World Health Organization

documents that we're looking at. So when you hear stuff like that, automated cradle to grave

traceability for, I put it in quotes, identifying and targeting the people that they call, you know,

unreachable. It's a dystopian, it's dystopian globalism where they want to dissolve borders.

There's no more national sovereignty. There's no more individual sovereignty. It's every country

gets run by these unelected elites at the World Health Organization or at the World Economic Forum.

I didn't vote for them. You didn't vote for them. Nevertheless, they are directing the policy

that our governments go along with. And unfortunately, the Trump administration in some ways

is going along with it too. And I really appreciate that about your work is that

you go directly to the source. And that's, I think, it's really important, actually. It's

something that is difficult because sometimes you can't find the source, but you can paint

the picture of the draw conclusions. And I think whenever possible, though, we should always

just look to what they have told us. And actually, you have links on your

that article post. This is the actual, this is on, I think this is on pubbed bed. You know,

this is, yeah, there's an NIH.gov, this PDF called digital transformation and the immunization

in 2030. So just looking at this, this first paragraph here, right, it says digital transformation

is the intentional systematic implementation of integrated digital applications that change how

governments plan, execute, measure, and monitor programs. This transformation can accelerate

progress towards the immunization agenda 2030. Which that's an interesting term. We're used to

agenda 2030, but immunization agenda 2030, which aims to ensure, look at this. This is insane,

which aims to ensure that everyone, everywhere at every age fully benefits from vaccines.

Here we describe how digital transformation can help achieve equitable immunization outcomes

and outline recommendations for governments and global partners to ensure that children

in low and middle income countries benefit fairly. It's crazy the words they use, even how

make sure that everyone benefits from vaccines. But it's also, what does that mean to say that

everyone, everywhere, every age, you can see that, I mean, read between the lines. This is a,

this is the agenda to vaccinate every single person on earth and then to trace it, right? So here

they say, digital transformation can facilitate a child's journey to full immunization,

personalized alerts and reminders, improved parents knowledge and awareness and health and plan

and prepare for visits at point of service, electronic immunization registry, registries,

electronic child health records and geospatial mapping of both services and communities help

health workers understand where, which children are missing vaccines or timely vaccination and where

outreach is needed. I mean, if you, obviously, they, because they're so good at using the words

that sound very altruistic and very high-minded, but if you interpret it more literally,

it's almost like what they're saying here is that they can use, they have this massive digital

database, right? So the electronic records, they have geospatial mapping of both services and

communities. Wait, so what's that mean to geospatial mapping of a community? Does that mean that

they're tracking the location of every person, right? To help the health workers, right? What is

a health worker? Are these the people that are working for who the you in? I mean, understand

which children are missing vaccines or timely vaccination and where outreach is needed.

It's like, are they, are they going to be mapping like everyone's vaccine status,

everyone's location knowing who needs a vaccine and who, in who, who doesn't. But then thinking

out where the quote unquote outreach is needed, what does that mean? They're going to be coming to

your home to say, hey, look, your, your six-year-old kid isn't up to date on his vaccine. I mean,

it seems like that's what this is telling us. I mean, am I, am I being too conspiratorial to draw

these conclusions? And what do you think? It's so funny because we're even looking at the document

and we're asking these questions, right? Like, it's their documents. Like, they are saying it.

But yeah, and they, they couch it in these terms of, of equitability or social justice or

they're kind of walking away from that term now. Or now it's, you know, pandemic preparedness.

And they say it's, you know, to, to help the little people. That's why we're doing it.

When they've been doing this for years and years and years and they've helped, they've helped

nobody. It's, it's as bad as it sounds and it's worse because they couch it in those terms. They

try to make it sound like it's, it's a philanthropic endeavor. But then you just read it. You don't

even have to read between the lines. You read it and you find out, oh, they're trying to do, you know,

birth registration, digital ID and lifelong tracking. They're trying to link your vaccine records to

income, your ethnicity, your religion, social programs. They're doing conditioning access to

schooling, travel and services on digital vaccine proof. They're using digital systems to prevent

what they call wasting vaccine on already immune children. AI systems to target individual specific

individuals, identify who they call unreached and combat misinformation. You know, they'd probably

say, Seth, what, you know, what you're putting out, what we're putting out right now is somehow

misinformation, even though we're, you know, we're showing them the documents. And that is scary

that they're, you know, what are they considering to be the unreached? Is this just somebody who doesn't

want a vaccine? And what does it mean that you're targeting them? You know, and how far does this go?

Where, where's the line? They want surveillance expansion into everyday interactions. They want

behavior shaping through alerts. They want reminders and social monitoring. They want it's in their

own words. They want a digital transformation. It's, oh, it's, it's a unique opportunity to address

many longstanding challenges in immunization, which just means, you know, people don't want to take

their vaccines. So it is, it is really, it is terrifying. Truth, Seth, as you know, truth is

stranger than fiction. You know, it's, you're going to be hard pressed to find a Netflix show that

that goes this far and goes this dystopian. But here you have it, the WHO themselves saying in

their own documents, this is, this is what we're doing right now. They're full steam ahead.

And so looking at all this, and again, this isn't just a, a doom and gloom fear campaign of this

is what's coming. It's the next pandemic. And we're all doomed. You know, they're rolling out

digital IDs. And this isn't about that. Obviously, we're trying to make people aware of the plans. But

I also think it's really important to understand what can we do? And just focusing here at America,

which I think was, was majority of our audiences, what can people do about this? And that's the next

thing. It's an important question that is not often really explored appropriately, especially when

you're balancing it out with such heavy and more doom and gloom information. Like, okay, here are

the, we're unveiling the, the diabolical plans to do this. But real world applications, right? So

for me, for you, for people living in America that see this, that they're aware of this, like,

what can we do? How can we stop this? How can we avoid it? How can we keep our kids safe? What

thoughts do you have on that? Well, you know, number one, it's going to be listening to people

like you, Seth and the information that you put out because this, unfortunately, is not going to

be put out by the mainstream. So you have to start listening to non mainstream voices, getting on

platforms like, well, any platform where you can find independent voices who are covering this

sort of information. And then obviously broadcasting that information in everyday conversations,

sharing it online, sharing it with friends, sharing it with family. I always encourage people

to start talking to their local representatives, talk to their, find out who their state

representative is, find out who their state senator is for, for their, for their state and the

representative for their district, inform them of these things because a lot of times they don't

know that this is happening. I talked to a representative, a senator actually a state senator

here in Tennessee, who I have a relationship with. And he was unaware, totally unaware of a lot of

these basic problems with, for example, the mRNA vaccines, the myocarditis, how many deaths have

been linked to it? How many injuries have been linked to it? What is a plasmid? What is DNA

integration? Had no idea and you can't blame him because again, where is he going to get the

information? He's going to go to the news. And a lot of people don't know that all the news,

all the mainstream news organizations, they're all owned by black rock, anger at state street,

and you know, they're all going to be put towing the same line. So they, sometimes they just,

they need to be educated and it doesn't need to be in a, in a mean, you know, way at all, but just

call, talk to them, strike up a conversation and explain, hey, I found this out about the vaccine,

did you know this? Or any other topic? But, but yeah, it's a, it's contacting local representatives

because that's what these, the world health organization hates the most and the world economic

forum and these globalists, they hate the most. And if you think about it, it makes sense because

they want a top-down control where they're at the top over everybody else. Well, when we,

what they really don't like is when we on a grassroots level come and then put these,

these bills forward as states, asserting our sovereignty, Louisiana, for example, they,

they have a great bill that says, hey, if the, the World Health Organization says we need to do

anything for a coming pandemic, we're going to have nothing to do with that. We're a really

fantastic bill. We need more like that for each state. So a lot of these representatives,

these local representatives and, and senators on a state level, they, they simply just don't know

these things. And so I always encourage people to, to reach out and, and talk to your local

representatives about these things. And so, and what about on the, just the immediate community level?

It actually be, I'll, I'll kind of input one of my ideas that I've been thinking about like,

I think it's, it's really important for people to build

local communities of like-minded people, right? So it's like, if you and I, if you and I were

neighbors, hypothetically, and, and we knew that, you know, I, hey, okay, I know that John lives

about five miles away. And I say, hey, John, let's, let's like have a local meetup, you know,

once every, you know, two weeks or something. You know, and start building out and, you know,

it's just us and we invite a few friends of ours. And then that kind of builds and builds.

So imagine if, you know, after a year, we've got a local group of 300 people

that are all in tune and, and, and spread this information locally. Because then what happens if,

let's just say that your neighbor has a kid and say someone shows up at his door, a health worker

shows up and says, hey, our record show that you're, you know, eight-year-old isn't up to vaccine

status or whatever. And we have a way of kind of put the message out locally. Imagine if, if an hour

later, we've got 60 people showing up in the front yard, right? Not with pitchforks and guns,

but, you know, showing up and saying, look, we don't support this, right? And maybe one of the friends

is on the local police force and he comes in and he becomes part of, I think that's the,

the other thing too is that I think that we have to, there's certainly that top down, you know,

especially looking at your kind of local politician level, you know, as you talked about, you know,

talking to your local, you know, politicians, your representatives, because you're right,

a lot of them don't know this stuff and educating them is really important. But I also think at the

more just at that pure grassroots level building these, these communities of people that are

like-minded that will come and support, because that's what it may come down to in the future,

right? What happens if, say, for instance, your local, you say you're in a small town and the one

main local grocery store is going to cave in and have a really, you know, kind of firm mask mandate,

you know, for the bird flu pandemic, right? Well, what if 300 people show up without wearing

mask and all go shopping all at once together, right? Or if you put a little little things,

hey, we're all going to do our grocery shopping every Thursday at 9 a.m., no one's going to wear a

mask. What are they going to do if 60 people from the local communities show up and refuse to

wear a mask to come in and do business? Right? It's like, you know, we have to amplify our voices.

I think that's the normal thing that is feared by the powers that be is our ability to come together,

regardless of our religion, our race, our political affiliations, but to come together on the core

principles of freedom and personal sovereignty. That's a fantastic idea. And I think people might

be thinking, like, how in the world could I do that? You know, because a lot of people have these

thoughts, and they think these things, but they don't really say them out loud for fear of being,

you know, rejected socially. So they think, I know these people are out here, and I feel strongly

about this, but how do I do it? Here's one easy way. You can start a social media channel,

like Instagram or Twitter, and keep it dedicated to a specific idea, whether it's freedom or

whether has to do with vaccines or pandemics or viruses or whatever the issue is, just pick it

and start posting. I did that when I started looking up into the sky and seeing these trails

coming out of planes and wondering, you know, what's going on here? I never used to never paid any

attention this before, but I'm seeing it now, and is there a problem here? I started a faceless

Instagram account where I would just post pictures of the planes I would see flying overhead.

I would use this flight tracking radar to figure out where, you know, what kind of plane is this?

Is this commercial? Is this military? What kind of jet is this? And I would just start posting that.

Hey, this is what I saw in the sky. Here's what the radar says. And I met probably about,

I don't know, maybe two dozen people who live in this area. And this is where I am right now,

and where I started this account here in just South and Asheville, in Tennessee, you know,

I'm originally from California, so we moved out here. So I already left all my family and friends

that I had in California, you know, my, you know, my core group, and I started fresh out here,

just doing that channel. I met probably about two dozen like-minded people who I talk with now.

So that's one easy way. If you don't have anybody who you can say, these are my, you know, people

who I'm close with. Here's a group of 200, 300 people I can call and say, hey, get down here,

the World Health Organization, Bill Gates start banging on my front door, start a channel,

start posting, and you'll find people in your area. It's a good way to start.

No, it's a good point. So I've got a book coming out called Prep Like Noah. It's basically,

it's kind of like a really a guide on with the more kind of like faith-based perspective on

preparedness and looking at the lessons of Noah and him preparing, right? You know, amidst the

ridicule for everyone else and saying, you know, it's like, no, it was a conspiracy theorist

until it rained, right? And I was like, oh my gosh, this guy was right. So actually, the website is

build the arc.com. So it's called the arc community. And all the back-ends, all done,

set to finish up, just a little bit things on the website and the front end. But basically,

the idea is that it's going to be a private member community where people can sign up.

We're going to have there's, you know, boards for, you know, if you want to find someone that knows

how to do solar, you can find an expert on solar there. But there's also going to be chapters. So

there's chapters for every region of America where you can then create your own local chapter,

right? And then we'll do like national meetups as well. But let's just say you and I live in your

area and we're like, okay, okay, we're in this area as chapter. You might find that you can build out,

there's 500 people in your local chapter, but it's not part of Facebook. It's actually on a secure

server that is private, right? So the idea is that this is part of it. I came this conclusion as

well that the most important thing to be prepared is actually just to build a local community of people

that you can call upon in that time and need. So again, so if people want to get on the waiting list

for it, the website just build the arc.com. And there's this little place you put your name in your

email. This is what I'm thinking is, okay, how can I help people? It's like, okay, I reach a lot of

people. Maybe I can create a platform that allows people to then come meet each other, interact with

me, interact with other people, build their own communities on there, take their own local Facebook

group, which is probably being very heavily monitored and tagged and tracked and everything,

bring that into it and do a much more private area where they can then collaborate, they can have

events and everything. And we're also going to have a huge library of information. We're building

a book library of potentially thousands of PDF books that we can get on there on a resource library.

We're going to have tutorials and classes and courses on, you know, water 101, how to purify water,

how to raise chickens. So the idea is, you know, trying to do this again, this is just a way that

I'm trying to figure out how I can help because obviously, fighting the information war, like what

you're doing is really good. But we also have to figure out how to build more strong local

communities. So I think at the end of the day, that's the number one defense that we have,

aside from just our own faith and our own commitment to virtue and morality, which I think

is the most important. But I think that next to that, it's actually strengthening our families,

our local communities that way, when these things happen, we're not alone. Because I think a lot

of people, especially thinking the way you and I do, they might be the only one in their own

little small community, right? But how can we help that person meet the other 30 people in that

small town that think the same way and come together and start building that, that local network?

So anyway, I'll, that link will be in the description, just build the arc.com and people can

sign up to get me on the waiting list for that. But anyway, a little shameless plug there,

because it made sense. It's wonderful. It's what they, they want us dependent on them. And what

you're offering is a way to become very, very, very independent. So I'm, I'm all for it. Kudos,

that's a great idea. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Well, John, as we're wrapping up,

what are your final thoughts? What kind of message do you want to leave people with?

I want people to know that unfortunately our government has the powers that be have time and time

again exposed us to pathogens and chemicals without our consent. I don't, I don't like that idea.

It's not something I, you know, wake up and think I boy, I love thinking about this. But once I

saw it, I could not unsee it. And that's why I, I talk about it and warn about it so much. And I

encourage people to, even though it's a scary thought, to spend time thinking about it, processing it,

let it become part of your world view. And then doing something about it, because unfortunately,

our government has, especially through the prep act, they have the ability to deploy medicines

without our consent. It's built into the language of the prep act. And unfortunately,

that's how they get away with these things. And I wonder what, what, what, I know, you know,

a healthy person, you know, might, I heard somebody say like a healthy person, you know, might have,

you know, lots of dreams, right, that I want to go do this, I want to go do this, I want to have

a family, I want to get this job. Sick person only has one, you know, they just want to be healthy,

they just want to feel good. I've dealt with, you know, health problems in my life that I've

overcome. And when, when, when, some that I'm still dealing with, and it just, it, it makes life

that much harder. And all you want is just to be healthy again. So to think that our government,

the powers that be might be doing something that is affecting our, our health negatively,

I think it's something that we have to stand up to, something that we have to come to terms with,

and then something that we have to start getting the word out about so that if they are doing that,

we can finally stop it. So my encouragement to people is that we have power in numbers,

and when we listen to people like you, Seth, and process this information, and then do something

with it, like with all the practical application that you're giving, and then like some of the ones

that I gave, that we can do something about it so that we can, like, like God set up at the

beginning, you said, be fruitful and multiply it to humanity to, you know, flourish. I think God

wants us to flourish. And I think if we do those things, come to terms with them that, that we can

increase the, the flourishing here on earth. It's a good point, man. Yeah, just flourish and have

kids, multiply it, right? Absolutely. Bring, bring more beautiful souls in this world, raise them right,

raise them true, and have them carry on the, the mission carry the fire. Well, John, thank you for

your time today. It's been great talking with you, and I would love to do it again. And I'll make

sure that your sub-stack is in the description through the show. I encourage people to subscribe,

to follow. You also support John's work on there if you want to, which is really important,

because you're not being funded by Pfizer ads, like most of the media that don't make this nation.

So yeah, John, thank you again, man. It's been really a pleasure speaking with you.

Absolutely. Thank you, Seth. Really appreciate it. Take care and God bless, man.

You too.