"The Overthrow" from TPLCC with Chris Dent of Callington & Cornwall!

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And joining me as always, my colleague, Mr. Hugh Newsom, how you doing, buddy?

Not always, as always.

Well, yeah, you did start on one last different matter, isn't it?

Yeah, most of the time.

Most of the time.

Oh, good.

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Anyway, I saw my hat out of them, isn't it?

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More importantly, we've got a cracking guest today, you know, overthrow, building up to the season.

And we're talking to a gentleman who...

I really respect this.

He played for one club.

Yeah.

And, you know, that one club thing, in most sports these days, is almost unheard of, to be frank.

And since the age of, I think, about 12 in 2009, he was at Gloucestershire.

But he's retired now, Ish, because he's going to become a non-playing pro.

But I'm sorry, a non-pro, playing at Callington in the Cornwall.

You've got Mr. Chris Dent, how you doing, mate?

Oh, good.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me on.

Absolutely.

Got to ask, yeah, in terms of privilege of playing professional cricket for that long, how proud are you that you did just play for one county,

stuck after all those years from that debut in 2009, I think it was incredible career to have.

Yeah, definitely, I'm, I definitely am.

Obviously, I'm from Bristol as well, so to have played, you know, on my local club for as long as I did.

Yeah, I'm really proud.

I think it was sinking more as, you know, as I finished.

But I think, yeah, the, it's obviously rare, rare, rare nowadays.

I feel like when I first started, it was a bit more common, but yeah, it's, it's a lot rare of these days.

But yeah, no, it's, I had a great journey with Gloucestershire.

And, you know, it wouldn't, probably wouldn't have been the same if I had gone off somewhere else.

So it was nice to, to start and finish there.

11,000 first-class lawns on average of 36, six, higher than Zach Clawley Ovenspringland, not bitter at all.

2,167.50s.

And also the proud owner of the ESPN Cricking Info picture that looks the least like you.

I can't imagine that the picture on Cricking Info, I assume you're about 18 there.

You know, it's, you know, I literally, have you got that in your passport?

You flop that picture out in the passport when you're going through the airport.

Yeah, so this isn't your passport.

My passport photos even worse.

It's crazy.

So I did, obviously, I had a testimonial 2024 and I did, like, got all the pictures on my headshots from over the years.

And I reckon my headshots change more than anyone else's.

Like, most people are pretty similar the whole way through, whereas I've gone like long hair beard, no beard, blonde hair, like everything.

So, yeah, I've had fair few looks at the time.

Yeah, definitely look very different to those early photos.

It makes me laugh. It's not like Cricking Info, I haven't got a choice of photos to use.

I mean, it's not like they put their hand up and took one and said, that's the one you stuck with for the rest of your life, is it?

It's a bit lazy, I can't be bothered to change it.

I've got absolutely.

We can't afford to be lazy at the Premier League Cricking Club because we don't get paid.

So we have to just do everything ourselves anyway.

But in terms of that career, Chris, you know, that 11,000 plus runs first class, 15,000 plus runs overall.

Can I ask you a really simple question?

Which of those formats did you enjoy the most over the years?

The 4-day stuff was always the thing that I really, that pride of myself on.

I think especially at the start of my career, 4-day was the thing.

Like, everyone talked about trying to get over 1,000 runs, trying to get over 60 with kids.

There wasn't like loads of chat about what you didn't see 20, what you didn't 50 over.

It was all about what you did in the 4-day stuff.

Changed a bit now, but I think that was something I always pride of myself on.

It's how many runs I could get in the 4-day stuff.

And there's nothing better than winning a 4-day match.

You battle for 4 days with your mates.

Sometimes you're away in hotels and you get a win at the end of those 4 days.

There's nothing better than that.

Whereas with 2020, you turn up 3 hours later, you'd be the one who lost.

It never felt quite the same as battling for 4 days.

Yeah, I think one of the things I find really interesting about Dan Huehl back then on this

is every single conversation we've had over the last couple of years with an endable CA player.

They always say that 3-day Red Bulls, the one they enjoy the most for exactly that same reason.

And I think that's reflective as we talk about T20.

We were talking about the 100 in the money that's going around there.

But that Red Bull is still full stop at the story of the pinnacle.

Yeah, definitely.

I think it should be.

You know, I think it's going to be getting challenged over the years being challenged,

but we'll get challenged even more with the money this obviously in the 2020 stuff,

the franchise stuff.

Like, suddenly, when you can earn such big cash elsewhere,

is slogging it for 4 days in Darby or Leicester or whatever,

is it as appealing, probably not, but hopefully, you know,

people will still want to do the hard jobs.

Yeah, people always pick on Darby at that moment, you know.

Yeah, do you want to tell us where we're both based?

It's fair enough though.

It is fair enough.

But I think the race course, I mean, I don't know whether,

when you played there, first Chris apparently, I'm,

I'm not fun and moved to Darbyshire in 2013,

but at the back, the race course used to be completely open.

I don't know if you played it,

it was like that.

And that would have been a renders because it was like,

it's like fetching it from the river.

Yeah, yeah.

No, it wasn't completely open then, but we obviously changed in those like,

change rooms that were pitch level.

Yeah.

To be honest, I haven't explored Darby, if I'm honest,

all I ever did was stay in a hotel, not too far away,

drive to the ground.

All you see is all the like more industrial stuff.

I know that like outskirts where the players live,

obviously I played with that chapel.

So I think he lives in a nice house somewhere around there.

So yeah, I've only really seen the ground and just around the ground,

which is not the most appealing place.

Which is the life of a county cricketer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you still get out?

The only time you might maybe spend some time around a city

as if you've been one in two or three days

and you've got that little bit of extra time,

but no doubt you'd actually want to get back home then as well.

Yeah, pretty much that works.

Just talking on the four day stuff.

The one thing I think everyone always talks about,

it annoys me through the summer,

they always talk about the death of test cricket

like every of the death test cricket the death of four day.

But all the noise I'm hearing out of, you know,

these IPL comps and the T20 World Cup is like

the grounding of four day cricket,

all the best players are grounded in four day cricket.

You've got Sue Ivansche age eight hitting hundreds for fun

and his dad's like, it's test cricket.

And then, you know, I will speed was, you know,

the guy that sort of tried to go that red ball,

you know, T20 only route and then has come back to four day.

Joss Butler's having an absolute nightmare.

You know, you were going to go on Joss,

going over a hit in the counter championship

because it seems that actually the four day

creates this foundation for everything else.

Is that what you're doing with that?

Yeah, I think so.

I think obviously four day,

your face a bit more in your hands.

When it comes to T20 in the short of form,

like you got there,

you've got to do a job for the team by scoring fast.

You're sort of sacrificing

your wiki a little bit,

whereas when it comes to the four day,

you can like really show,

show like your longevity in your class

by just bang as long as you want.

And that's what I liked about four days that

I felt like I could be more consistent.

I could get in there and about as long as I wanted

whereas in T20 it was a bit, you know,

I was a guy out there trying to whack it before I knew

I'm out, my day's done and I was a bit like,

this is just,

it just didn't feel right to me.

As much as I enjoy trying to whack it,

it's just, yeah,

it just felt like I was,

you just throw your wicket away and there's no,

it's not as much pride in your,

your performance in those sort of formats.

Yeah, just think of it.

You're stuck like dust,

but I think you're right,

like getting out and getting back to,

to just batting,

you know, batting long periods of time.

I ain't got the perfect example.

Perfect example.

One of your colleagues,

not last season, the season before,

Mr James Bracey,

went to play for Bristol for a couple of weeks,

scored back to back hundreds,

came back into the county championship,

scored back to back hundreds.

He got out in the middle

and just played the ball, didn't he?

Yeah, yeah.

No, he's, he's a great example.

He,

like at the minute he doesn't play huge amount of T20,

but he's just a lover of batting,

just loves getting out there.

And I think gloss is quite lucky

because they've got a few youngsters

that are like that.

It's even like Ben Charlesworth,

who's a great T20 player.

He just loved batting.

So loves Red Bull,

loves batting,

Ollie Price is the same.

Like they bat forever if they could.

So gloss is lucky in that sense,

but I think, yeah,

I think that's good for your,

your career and your progress is just,

you know,

just batting lots and lots and lots and in T20,

you don't,

you don't like best case scenario,

you bat 60 balls.

And if you bat 60 balls,

you probably need to have got 140,

otherwise you've,

you've not done a good job.

So it's tricky and I just think,

yeah, you can easily get out of Nick

and struggle to get back in it

because you've got,

yeah, I haven't got any time to,

to like give yourself that,

that bit of,

you know,

that, that,

that sort of platform,

like that's the going out there,

and that's to keep trying to whack it.

You can't go,

I'm going to give myself 20 balls there.

You're not allowed to do that.

So yeah,

no way in playing some longer form

might just be what he needs.

Have you found it's changed to T20 stuff

in, you know,

in your career,

you know, coming in in 2010,

when you started,

compared to how it was,

when you finished, you know,

was there a,

a definite shift,

almost like those two games?

Yeah, I think so.

I think when I started,

it was just like,

I remember playing quite early on in my career.

I didn't play loads of T20 playing,

and I just remember just feeling like,

it was just,

it's just a bit of fun.

You just,

didn't really matter.

If you got out,

like, just had a bit of fun,

and then you got back to the,

the like,

the main business,

which was,

you thought A games,

whereas now,

I think,

because there's so much money in it,

it's a lot more serious now,

you know,

clubs want to win the T20,

because there's money in it.

Players want to do well in the T20,

because then they can get franchise gigs.

You know, like,

it's become way more serious

because of the financial rewards you get for it.

Whereas,

they weren't there back then.

Like, there was pretty much only the really early IPL,

which,

international,

the big stars are playing.

Otherwise,

you,

you made your money by being as good

as you could at Forty Cricket

and getting a big county contract.

Whereas,

there's obviously a huge shift in that now.

So,

just taking you back then.

So,

where,

where's its start?

Chris, for you, you know,

and you're,

you're a part of Cricketer's school,

Cricketer,

where was the,

where was Cricket first happening for you?

Um,

my dad,

my dad was into Cricket.

So, I think,

at home is where it first started.

I didn't go to private school.

I went to

back cross school in North Somerset.

So, that's just a,

it wasn't really

huge Cricket in school,

more football rugby.

So, I think,

you know,

regarding,

there's pretty much

where my Cricket started.

And I ended up playing

at a small club called

Cleve Creek Club.

Um,

I played there

from 9 to 13,

14,

and then I moved to

Thornbury because my school

teacher was from Thornbury.

Um,

so he got me

to go there

and Thornbury

were a good side then.

Obviously,

there's still a good side,

but, um,

yeah,

so then I,

you know,

learnt my Cricket there

and ended up

on Gloucester Academy

and then I went to

the College Groups.

It wasn't really,

like obviously,

a lot of route now

is through private schools.

Um,

that wasn't my route.

It was sort of,

this did well.

Gloucester Age Groups

worked my way up.

And then,

yeah,

it's fine.

I was,

I was in the Academy

and into the second team.

And, yeah.

I think there's a real

interest in,

sort of,

changing that period.

I mean,

we're really talking,

sort of early 2000 to 2009.

It's not that long ago.

And that's now shifted,

independent public schools and you know I picked up on TV the other day I've had the

fact that you know Joe Roots, Harry Brooke they were picked up at sixth form level to go

to an independent school they were at state school beforehand. Do you think we're missing

that age old trick massively there with the amount of players who are not coming through

state school and actually still ended up playing at clubs like Thornbury because we're a big

believer it all starts in the clubs these days it used to start at school but it starts at those

clubs this late. Yeah I think so I think there's almost like two ways you sort of get into

cricket see they're like you go to a private school and cricket's big or your family parents

whatever into cricket so you you get in earlier I think if you're not in either of those two

you just you end up picking up about almost too late yeah and I think for example like Joe

hybrid like up in up north I think cricket's play like Percy I've been up there a lot but

like cricket has played more in families whereas down south it feels more football more rugby

so like they would have yeah just been probably picked up about early at home like that and then

yeah in their state school they're ahead of everyone else and suddenly off you go but I think

yeah there's two ways in you the your parents are into it so you get exposure early or them

or you go to private school because if you're exposed to cricket at 15 you catch it up you know

yeah it's a big trick yeah it's a big catch up yeah it's I think the family thing is

is absolutely right I don't also the school thing I mean one of the things about the private

school thing is it cricket's a stupid game you know you stand out there and if you're

bad at it which you are when you start you're out there for hours doing something you're bad at

and in order to become good at it you've got to keep doing it and at school they make you do it

so like you say you start when you're very young and you just get good at it without realizing

or if you're starting it's a really difficult game to just start we've got a young lad in our

he's heading to our first team he started when he was 11 and he's into our first team he's 15

you know which has been absolutely incredible because I just haven't seen anybody else do that

like he has to go from an pure football to cricket and that was lovely to see because everybody

else is you know literally you know had about in a little quick cricket back in their hands and so

with two but um so you've gone through the summer set pathway sorry some sets stop the reset

gone through the Gloucestershire pathways um but um there's a trick I think to the Wolletton

dragons uh in Perth is that correct yeah yeah where you where you played with a certain cam

bancroft yeah did you think that one was what 18 19 I think yeah I've got a lovely scorecard for

your Wolletton versus rockin and manger actually while his club cam bancroft 10 you got 102

there you go so I'll be honest that is the only scorecard that I love out scored him in

I had a shocker I had a shocker over that I think that that was the only 50 plus score I got

and I'm pretty sure I averaged about 15 and I got 100 you got dropped you got dropped a second grade

and you got 61 so well done there yeah I think I'm bold in the second go I've also seen

as well yeah I'll be honest when I when I went over there I was still very very mature so I

I didn't I didn't go to training much I spent most of my time lifting weights on the beach

and then drinking um nice it was a good I you know I grew up because I that was first time I'd

lived on my own so I got there I lived with some other players that were in county cricket like

young players I can't agree it so I had a great time but yeah I certainly wasn't I wasn't great

for the club I'll be honest I'm 0.4 7.4 overs 4 for 32 yeah but that then I wasn't being paid

to to play those and I just went over there and the academy I got gifted to a club yeah so it's

very different if you're over there as a youngster and you've been given to a club compared to

like being shipped over yeah it's being paid for like then you've got to switch on you know that's

your responsibility is to go over there and do well um I was just a young kid he was pushed

towards this club and told you got a play for him um so was that with the buster sure academy

sent basically send you over there is that how it works so yeah I went over there was at the time

guy called Paul Terry who ran the academy so I basically just went over there trained in the

week with them all week basically so I was there to do that academy and then I was gifted like

basically given a club so that was the club cricket wasn't in my mind the main event it was the

training the gym work all of that stuff was the main event which probably was why I was a bit

useless and it's really weird sometimes it's these calls or these recordings then we did it

there's a real full circle there you're you're playing against rocking a mandra as you said

Tee Gwiley's club what are friends of our our part big time can bancroft

friend of our part Rory Hayden took his very first first class wicket and he was can bancroft

playing for Gostershire I think or was it global Gostershire at the time I can't remember um

I think it would have been yeah yeah and it's like Rory took that wicket it's like full circle

there you could have put them together even better you probably did you try there did you make

no no no you had another season over there 2013 14 Melbourne as well so was that was that

were you more grown up there and that was it you didn't get a hundred year very much more

consistent season there yeah yeah I was I was more grown up now I went over there my partner as

well so I couldn't but yeah no I had a good time over there I enjoyed it she was lucky enough

to play quite a bit of cricket Marcus Loenus who was he was very early on in his career so I think

he hadn't played a first class game I don't think can you I remember playing with him and just

thinking Jesus this guy is next level I like they they raved about him but I'd never really heard of

him and I sort of like record he hadn't done anything I was like surely this guy can't be as good

as they're saying and he was elite and then I think he got his first hundred for

four fix when I was when I was out there yeah he scares me I'm scared of Marcus Loenus he's a big

unit isn't he yeah he's a big he's a really nice guy though really really nice guy but yeah he's

he's a big lad and did this help you know do these winters help you or they just they're just a lot

of fun when you're pro cricket you know that is you know rather than you know the backpackers they're

obviously yeah they are fun I think the the cricket is really it's tough like obviously they joke

over there and say are you know first class cricket is similar to great cricket blah blah blah they

say that but and it's not like it's not but they take it so seriously yeah it almost like

is a bit of a shock for someone from the UK when you play club cricket in the UK

you you play you have a bit of fun you're trying to do your best but it's not like they don't take

it that seriously and then you go to wars and it's literally like you're playing international cricket

like yeah train being fitness you're doing all this your team talks everyone's shouting each other

coach is shouting at you you make a wrong decision you get shouted out you're like what is going on

it I came over it's get some sunshine hits the ball lovingly it's like I'm getting shouted at

more than one I'll play back for Gloucester like it is a bit of a shock it is they take it very very

serious and I think that like intensity can like catch you out a little bit do the Aussies bring

that when they come and play and when you play with Australians over the years is that does that

sort of leak out of them when they're playing or actually is that so just it contained within

great cricket I think it's just containing great cricket if I'm honest like you get Aussies over here

come play cat cricket in the real children it's like you're relaxed yeah and then great cricket they

just they just lose their heads and you know what we spoke to Jordan so two years ago and he found

it exactly the same he came over here and played Premier League cricket just thought this is great

this is turn up play cricket enjoy myself yeah and you know obviously our Premier League cricket is

not quite Premier Slash great cricket over in Australia but he recognized the difference there

definitely so let's talk about what you're doing right now though Chris because obviously you've

come out of it the professional game I like any professional you've got to do something else down

you know you still in your mid thirties with the utmost respect you're of an age that you weren't

there when all the bloody big monies come through so you know you haven't heard all you haven't

heard a harry broke 400 thousand for six weeks work you know come on you've set up the academy now

I'm going to just say so then straight away to you you're having a lot of bloody fun with your academy

and your videos and your reels that you put together and you Mr. Dent are trying to hit the ball harder

hell of a lot more argue yeah no yeah I think I've hit more balls this winter I've ever hit

winter like I wasn't a massive fan of hitting during the winter and obviously making videos etc

yeah I'm just I'm just trying to obviously I'm doing a lot coaching one to one's group stuff which

is the serious stuff but with the social media I'm just trying to have a bit of fun with it really

and just you know make something interesting that people want to watch I don't know if they do

but like it's just something different I don't want to preach on there about you know elbow here

foot here that I just I was one hour fun with it and and you know like when I'm doing all these

hitting stuff because I'm trying to specialize a bit in power hitting it was something that

over COVID I did a lot trying to specialize a bit in that when I'm doing these like I'm I'm learning

as I'm doing them like I'm I'm finding drills from baseball other sports and I'm testing them out

I'm trying to what see if they work if they don't and I think that's one of the advantages I've got

of the minute is I'm obviously still young enough and fit enough to to do this stuff so I can

explore it rather than just saying this is what you got to do yeah I'm trying to actually do it

and see if it works so yeah I'm enjoying it and it's it's a lot of fun trying to whack it I've got

it tiring every now and then I wake up a bit of a sore back but um now it's good fun

baseball is a wonderful sort of resource because they've had what 150 years of money thrown at

them and and you know people have have spent an awful lot of money going down a lot of rabbit holes

to try and get um you know the edge um and it's money that cricket doesn't have so you know

basically you can tap into research that's that's you know and like you say it will it work will

it work you know is there anything specific that you've picked out recently that's really from

from baseball or you know that the really feel is there's maybe missing in cricket yeah there's

there's a few things and you're right baseball is great because they research it they they try and

they're always trying to progress whereas I feel like cricket just well the whole time I play

I just felt like everything was always the same like you're always saying you train the same you're

like nothing really like progress that much so yeah baseball's great because like you said there's

so much information I think some of the stuff I've been looking at which again like I said I'm

trying to work out how relevant it isn't cricket because obviously it is different but at the end

of the day you know you're still hitting a ball so like the element still apply but things that

I've seen about like swing quickness which is is basically how quickly you can go from deciding

to hit the ball to actually launching your swing and I think in baseball they're very good at

they're getting a position early and then as soon as they want to swing they can swing whereas in

cricket we're getting like an okay position and then we say oh I want to hit the ball now I've

got to take my back up I've got to do this and it's all just very slow yeah and then also just

like the actual position you're getting into I just feel like especially in t20 a lot of batters

just try and have the same stance or the same whereas you're not trying to fall anyone like the

bowlers know you're trying to whack them everyone knows you're trying to whack them why aren't we

getting in like a better power position early to be able to hit it I use an example of golf like

he wouldn't hit your driver in your putting stance so like why are we getting in the same stance

we always do to try and hit six when we can actually earlier get into a nice strong powerful

position so I've been doing a bit of stuff with some professionals I've been working on it and

and it's yeah I'm just really interested in like just what we can add to cricket looking at

baseball but like I said it has to it has to work like there's a lot of things that won't work

because you know you're not just getting full tosses outside off are you the guinea pig and

are you the guinea pig for all this stuff you guinea pig yourself yeah yeah I'm pretty pretty much

I'll tell you what I've spent an arm and a leg on on hitting aides from America because everything

you can't get anything from the UK there's nothing so I have to buy all this stuff for America and

I'm just yeah it hurts but I want to I'm willing to invest in like trying to just find

some different different ways of training or different training work

Christens baseball surplus.com for all the x the broken yeah it's really interesting you say

that I'm going to use a football analogy that I was reading about yesterday did there's a great

big thing out there right now about Arsenal and the set pieces and you know how'd you defend this

and how'd you do it and the Premier League has gone mad for set pieces this year as we know

and then a great article I've been saying the same thing to the telly day weekend week out

and a great article about I can't remember which non league side it was who were facing the

same thing with all putting all these plays into the box so what the manager did he went all

school he said well I'm going to put five people on the halfway line and if I put five of my

players on the halfway line they've got to leave six back and change in the thinking rather than

to go back to cricket I'm going to stand the way I've been taught I'm going to get my head over

the ball I'm going to get my elbow high all the stuff that let's be honest level two three four

and coaches are going to tell you actually it's the same all the way through when you can pick up

so many things from other sports I'm a big believer that hockey is a huge win for many many

cricketers and one of our absolute local superstars here Mr Wayne Madison you know he paid hockey for

South Africa and you can see it and when you see these players now do this bloody no look flick of

her but Madness was doing that ten years ago you know it this is not something new is it Chris

no no I think it's just yeah it's just been highlighted a bit more now is it on the on the big stage

you know yeah like you said who is it Mau Loy was it used to sweep the scene yes

years ago and then suddenly people do it now like this is crazy but that was when I started that's

that's what he did you know that's what so I just think yeah on the big stage it just gets like

and obviously now people are willing to learn these skills back then it was like what's he doing

like why is he doing that whereas now it's like someone does something's like right we need to be

I do that you know so everyone's learning these skills now whereas it was just the few that did it

back then yeah so the flip side of the T20 stuff is it is there evidence or you know particularly

from the pro game that that actually focusing on the T20 in terms of maybe muscle groups and and

shot does it then impact on to the Red Bull stuff for these guys that you know maybe lose something

in the Red Bull game or do you think it generally benefits then obviously there might be moments

where they have a big a big swash when they shouldn't do but Harry Brook but yeah yeah I think

I think it generally does because realistically when it comes back to transition in from T20 to

Red Bull it it becomes more of a mental thing you know are you willing to to rein it in and back

long but you know improving hand speed improving your how hard you hit the ball when you're attacking

like can only then benefit but it's yes the decision making that really is the standout in Red Bull

cricket and also you'll be surprised how many times when once you get in and you're on I don't know

let's say you're lucky enough to be on 120 you do start putting the pressure back on the opposition

and then if you can go from 120 to 250 quick like you've taken the game away from them they're done

and I think you know that's what the great players do when they're in they just dominate the game

and that's what you know like your pizzas you're those sort of guys once they got in they just

dominated so being able to do that I think can only be a benefit. Bethel the other day was a great

example because that hundred a hit it was a it would have looked out of place particularly on a

on a four day game it was it was orthodox it was yeah it was just yeah it was just on a different

planet in terms of how what he was doing and he's any you could just take you know any of those

shots and put them in any of the formats and they'd still be good cricket shots. Yeah I think

what you maybe think of their Christian particular is that and I've told the story of the part of

Wildbach I was talking to a gentleman who coached a certain Paul Barrington for many years

who played a Darbyshire and has played in our league and Darbyshire in particular for many years now

and he said never never be surprised to see Paul being 30 not out after 30 overs no problem

look where he's at the end though you know that 30 not out he's all of a sudden 70 80 90 in that

last 20 80 and he's pushing on and he's doing it and that's proper old school red ball cricket but

I just say you're able to then flip that pressure straight back onto the opposition aren't you?

No definitely that's what I always found like I felt was one of my strengths when I when I played

as I was willing to to like so cut pressure because I knew that when I'm in at the back end I'll catch

up and you know I think that's just having like a confidence in yourself that the majority of the

time you will catch up and yeah the old time you won't but when you panic thinking of I need to go

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now you just said something historic they said when I played well let's get some more

do straight you ain't stopped because our friends at Calington I've asked you to come down and

play in the club or leave this coming summer I've got to ask did you have a number of clubs going

do you want to come on again again um yeah I quite a few because I think you become more

people are more interested in you when you stop playing fishing because obviously you're

only allowed to turn them out but obviously in the in the Cornwall league we're only allowed one

player that's played over 10 first-class games it's over 20s so I think they do the difference

everywhere yeah yeah so like in the weapon if you retire suddenly you're just a normal player and

you become very valuable to people but um yeah so I had quite a lot of clubs they want me to do

like coaching and thinking and I to be honest I was planning on just not playing if I'm honest

I thought after played I was like do I really need this but then I started doing my coaching

hitting and I was like maybe maybe playing won't be too bad so I think that that sort of got me

back into it and then they sort of messaged at a good time they caught me on a on a high when I was

enjoying it so what did Mr Joe White and the Calington boys say to you that convinced you that's

the place to go to um I just think to be honest I just liked the thought of a a bit of a fresh start

you know I wasn't going to play probably ideally didn't really want to then just play for another

club locally because you know I've played for a long time yeah um and then obviously I knew that

Max was coached there and I've played with him a lot and and against him a lot so yeah I just

felt like it'd be a nice change and obviously I'm I'm going down there on Fridays to do some

coaching with their young batters and then I stay over so it becomes a little bit of a yeah an event

like like when you play County cricket when you stay over you know you play some cricket um yeah

I just think that the change was was what I wanted yeah and terms of standards what are you

thinking you're going to meet down in the Cornwall League compared to your day-to-day playing for

Gloucester or even what you know of the weapon you're locally from what I've heard from my

information this is like a similar standard for weapon but I've heard Calington's pictures in the

greatest um I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you what a bowler said to me this morning

who played in the Cornwall League last year he's playing on a pudding yeah so I think yeah

the the wickets could be interesting but then when I played for Thornebury you obviously in the

first division of the weapon you get to play on some nice wickets you know bath roster these all

wickets no whereas when you drop down into the the like second division weapon which I've played

some years with Thornebury with you you go to some ropey grounds so you you sort of work out how

you need to play on not great wickets and also I when I when I go over to Cape Town playing South

Africa um I've done it three times you you come up on some pretty not great ones because they can't

a lot of time they're not allowed to walk the wickets sometimes so it's not going to be the top you

got to get used to that so yeah I'm actually I'm looking forward to the challenge of that to be

honest like you know you play on a good wicket 120's a good score for a battle you play on a bad

wicket 60 is a match winning score so you just got to change your your standards to what you're

playing on effectively you've played a lot with Thornebury over the last looking back here since 2004

and 5000 runs on the play cricket scorecard you know why why were you so happy to keep dipping back

do you not feel like you know you know what mid of the summer I'm a pro I'll just have a day off here

um well I played a lot more for them more back end of my career when I when I wasn't playing as much

for Gloucester and I just think it's nice to to gal and bat and and score runs like I remember I

think it was a 2019 season when we got promoted and that was one of my best seasons I kept going

back and playing for me I just think like just continuing to bat and score runs no matter what level

yeah is good you know it just keeps you in a rhythm of like bang a long time assessing conditions

like having pride in in performing I just felt like it was it was actually good for my game um

and yeah I enjoyed it and I was you know lucky enough to get some some decent scores for him and

and when you get in and you're you're whacking him there's no better feeling than

than that effectively there's a there's a reasonable a nice scorecard from last year um

Thornebury versus Sir Torntons and Andrews uh you got uh 149 off hundred and seven balls and on

the Torntons and Andrews team we've got Archie Vaughn out for 24 Thomas Rue out for 23 GGG sit there

you know this was not short you know just a few day short of your retirement just so again

yeah I still got it still got it better than these lads you know it is it is nice to show some of

the like the young up and coming lads that I can still play yeah that's nice um yeah that's

like the pride you have in yourself you want to you still want to show people that you you've

still got it and and why you had a successful career you know it's nice to to show that but

saying that that was the first time I saw Thomas Rue play he didn't get that many but I remember

the rain was coming in um in the end it got rained off I think but the rain was coming in he just

he hit like three two or three sixes effortlessly and I thought this this kid's a good player

he's a good player and they're not honestly we've seen he's a very very good player very proud of

what we hear on this show that it's over two years since we put said his name oh two years yeah

it was sort of it's the last six months his name's been everywhere we just keep putting out

they're saying well if you listen back two years ago plus we were telling you about this one

it was so bloody obvious and then Lloyd Ali our friend at Torntons and say Andrews was the one

who said yeah with utmost respect he's probably a better player than his brother yeah I think he's

brother said that as well didn't he yeah I think he's like he seems more naturally talented but

James Rue he reminds me a bit of James Bracey like they yes they've just got that like real grit

and determination yeah and like they not like always look the nicest in the nicest way possible

because they they do play nice shots but they've just got this they just got something about them

that just wants to always get rough yes you want them both in your side because they give you

something different don't they but question I was going to ask you and it was great hearing that

would do yourself Archie and Tom was all played in the same game just think it would be far better

for the county game as a whole and clearly the Premier League's out there as well if far more

players did do what you did there and did drop down to the Premier League's because

yeah you're talking about this many percent still Chris that actually dropped down do you think

it would be far better for the game generally yeah I think so I think I remember when I started

for me it felt like there was like always yeah those older professionals the guys that just left the

game they were playing it felt like a really high standard and I remember when when John Bracey

was our coach back in the day it used to be you get assigned to a club obviously I was home

growing so I was at Thornbree and it was like right this weekend everyone's playing right off you go

and it was like non-negotiable you can go now go over go on sorto they're gonna you're off go go

play and you just got told to do it whereas now it's not quite the same I think the problem is

back in there I felt like there were a lot of bowlers that would play whereas now like bowlers

are obviously just wrapped in cotton ball and they can't go and play which is like for a club

I understand you know they're very valuable um but yeah I think like adding if those bowlers

were to play then yeah you know you get those youngsters that get some exposure against those guys

it's it's things that you look back on when you get older and think I played against it in my face

team I face that you know um yeah I can't believe I'm saying this the second time this week

our favorite story from last year a certain Mr Richard Gleason rocket up to play for Blackpool

in a car that got broken down on the m61 I think it was or 60 if I had it on the way up to Carl

Isle but they still ended up going up there Blackpool and that's he's back playing with this club

you know and you know our friend Mr Matt's half loves it when Gleason turns up for nets I think

I'm sure he's not covering his total full pace but but actually does it it's a great argument

that you can have year in year out isn't it do you keep going and keep the form going and keep the

would you rest um and with you as a batter I think batters just need to batter as much as they

bloody well can bowlers difficult isn't it yeah but I'm even hearing now that wicket keepers are

told not to play in case they've damaged their fingers I mean that's the problem isn't it now like

the more money that comes into the game the more valuable are these everybody other than

you can understand with why counties would be like it because they're their assets you know like

if someone gets injured you've got to probably pay to get someone low and blow a blow but

but yeah I guess back in the day it was just less there was less sort of

moddy coddling if that's the the right saying there was there was less of that back in the day

oh 100% is the right word I think the nice thing is we were able last year to see the likes

of course I can sort of roll out in the sorry championship um you know the word gratitude

happened there but we've also seen the last year or two and it's our favorite subject in the

world is more players from Premier League and end of lca starting to sneak the way into that first

class and get signed etc yeah do you fancy playing a bit of end of lca yourself this summer

um it's you know I've thought about it and there's a chance I might play a little bit for for

formal while I'm down in Calington they've got a one day cup game so there's been some conversations

I'm not 100% sure whether it's over the line or anything like that but you know while I'm down

there I thought you know give it a go um I haven't ever played any minor county stuff before I

boxy played against minor counties but um no I've never I've never played any of it so it'll be

it'll be a new experience for me um I'll be honest I the longer for my I've been popped by

because everyone says that you play whatever 120 overs and and the thought of that makes my body

sore just sat here but um but I'm sure it's different because I hear you a lot of spin gets bold

so it gets gets through the overs a lot quicker than you're doing county cricket when you take

you do 96 over the day and you end up finishing up half seven at night yeah um so yeah I'm sure

it's so they get through it a bit quicker you just nailed the next question so why is that though

why is it that there's so much more spin and we've just done an article only a couple of weeks go

human eye with wisdom about left arm spinners and spinners generally in prebally cricket and the

amount that's being bold why is that not transitioning to first class cricket why we're not seeing so

many more because let's be honest England approved time and time again that we can't play spin um

so why wouldn't you want to practice against it is it is it is it just filtered through the county

system that it's got to be seam seam seam seam seam I think if I'm honest I just think most of the

wickets in the county circuit just they don't suit spin but you go to to obviously test grounds

a bit different you know this is harder it bounces more but everywhere else like you could have

the world's best spinner and they're not going to set the world alike so yeah why would you

bowl loads and loads of spin when it's not really going to take any wickets so

I just think that's the only real reason to be honest like we obviously lucky times that

for a few years and he's like a quality quality spinner yeah and he was he was still very good on

flat wickets but like there's no respect now if you got a spinner on a flat wicket and you're

batting you think right here we go let's get let's get 34 as quickly as I can and then the seam

comes back on like if it's not conducive then there's there's no real value in bowl and

them loads of overs and whereas if you go to club ground you go to you know non-professional grounds

breaks up a bit more it's a bit softer so it's been so actually there's value in it yeah I was

down at Darbyshire yesterday and we got showbyshire in there I'd never seen him before in the first

actually he's absolutely massive he's incredibly tall and you know I'm just waiting for Darbyshire

to roll out those sort of Pakistani self fans that they had if you remember at the test match they

had the fans at both end of the contest didn't they they've got the heat lamp out there at the moment

on the ground but they've they've got I'm waiting for the big fans so hopefully showbyshire I'll

sign for you if you get the big big fans out to dry the head out of that wicket so I can actually

take some wickets and we'll see I I think we might get a spinning wicket at Darbyshire.

I think they're allowed to do that with a hundred money as well because that's infrastructure

so you're allowed to spend that money up yeah you can go ahead and find that one yeah

deal good eating yeah if Neil Goddrich is listening get onto it man you need to get on

Amazon to get some of these big fans behind the bowls don't you definitely we we tried it a few

times at Gloucester but it's such a fine line because the groundsmen are like real wary of it

because obviously it's their pitch that gets rated down and if you go too far you're getting

trouble if you don't go enough you're like what's the point and you've played all these finishes

it's a real fine line it's really tricky um because obviously you see like when some of us

said did it when they had leeching best and they just went too far with it and and you get

points and all of this so it's it's a real fine balance yeah um and it's it's a tricky one to get

right I it's a fine balance but I I agree with you know Somerset maybe push the envelope shall we say

a little bit one to twice but I will forever be thankful for Somerset for them but absolutely

taking Surrey to task not last season this season before when Surrey flew someone in for a one

game loan and Archie Vaughn it was in particular talk of a part and I'm like because I think the

loan system my personal be the loan system for one and two games is a joke um you know to be it

you've got plays in the pathways you've got plays in the twos and just not getting the chance

because you're bringing one or two in and especially in Surrey yeah yeah I think Surrey with their

team million yeah the small counties I understand like you don't you have a few injuries you need to

look elsewhere but for Surrey you know they're most weeks they're deciding which 11 out of the

15 international players they want to play you know in which four are going to take the suits yeah exactly

let me come towards the end of our chat Chris I just wrote a couple of things I want to go

around with you so go back to your academy yeah I converse for you on LinkedIn about public how

close are you to getting a permanent venue for yourself now because I know that's something you've

been looking for um yeah so we've sort of been looking at different places actually maybe going

in with a couple of other players from Gloucester just right as a bit of a joint business so

we're like we're quite close to pulling the trigger and finding somewhere but it's just

basically working out financially it's Bristol's obviously quite an expensive place so like a space

big enough for four lanes with other stuff is is very expensive so we're just sort of like

working out if it's the right time to take the risk and go for it or not but like that is my

my ultimate goal as I want to have a place to run all my coaching from even like the content

creating the content being able to do that like it's like I've got a book out of lane to go wax

and balls and create is I want to make everything nice and easy you know I want to do as much

coaching as I can I want to set up a academy I want to make the content and to do that

like at the end of the I need a venue so that is the plan it's just

working out if now's the time to fire basically get that one over the line but then the summer

looks like a mixture of coaching content Joe's going to love you at Calington for that

I'm playing for Calington you know it's going to be a busy summer still low isn't it

yeah I think so it's probably a feel busier because I'm doing so many different things and you're

sort of like right out of the minute I'm doing all sorts of different coaching I'm a mine

feels a bit frazzled because I used to just get given a timetable right turn up here turn up here

turn up here it's very very different but yeah I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to just

doing all different stuff because also I've got a family coffee trade business as well so I work as

a barista in that probably twice a week at the minute and then in the summer we work at the

create ground and all sorts so I'll be in there as well so I've got to chuck that into it um

it'll be yeah it'll be busy but rewarding and I'm I'm looking forward to seeing where

where it takes me surely the two have to combine that I mean you've got to basically run the coffee shop

and attach it to the the curriculum so I'm sure that's crossed your mind yeah sure I mean coffee shop

you know it's just a way of bringing people into the coffee shop you need you need um people with large

families so they have to sit there and then they can drink anything yeah I need to bore them enough

so they that's not doing they just drink loads and loads of coffee yeah I think the problem is I'm

I'm a bit of a stickler I like to be on the machines I'll be struggling to to throw balls and make

coffees at the same time sorry if it's not right I'm not I'm not sure that's the man with

is going to make billions in coffee if you're the one that has to pour it there's no no no that's

the problem I need to relinquish some responsibility to other people yeah I was and that was the

sort of the final question I was going to ask is that that change from professional to non-professional

and that mixing what you're doing it really out obvious question it's a massive change

but it feels like you're enjoying it mate yeah no I am I think look my I didn't play loads

during the back couple years in my career and I'd started up the coffee trailer and I was doing

coaching so like although I finished last year it feels like I've transitioned a bit um but like I

yeah I'm just enjoying it almost feels like you know like I've got so many options to explore I'm not

saying they're all going to be the right ones but I feel like I've got control and I can I can do

what I want you know um after so many years of playing cricket and there were times I enjoyed

their times I weren't you know which happens but now I feel like I've got freedom to to go down

different avenues and try different things yeah I think from our perspective we welcome you to

the Premier League speakers yeah we're you know there's seven half thousand players playing

Premier League cricket around the country last year um now unfortunately for me I know far more

Premier League players than county names would you believe but it's great to have someone who's

done that step straight back and say I want to play and he's going to enjoy that cricket and

I think what you will do at Callington with the boys down there if you're going to enjoy it aren't you?

Yeah I've heard there are a good bunch of guys and I'm obviously some some good players down

there as well so um yeah it should be fun I think we've got Penn's Ants first game which

I know from what I've heard is they have sort of everyone in the Cornwall league's rival

so that should be that should be a good introduction

we're good friends with both set of clubs and I'm full enough the Penn's Ants skip has been in

such this week they've got some signings coming out it looks like the sign Ben Fletcher in the

last couple of days he's going to be down there but they're not last year the year before

Callington and Penn's Ants were like that all the way through to the end of the season weren't they

you yeah it's interesting I mean it's do you have the same when you're playing for somebody like

Callington or you know you have the same sort of pre-game routines or do you just so much more

relaxed now than than you used to be I like try and be more relaxed because I felt like I was

quite an uptight cricket for a while like I was very routine based like you know so I'd try and

just be more relaxed and not get too stressed until I need to be stressed you know when I'm facing

that first fall you've got you know you've got to get that yeah that stress is at the same

is it the same whether it's you know I think a lot of time really because like

there's there's that slight more expectation you know you're playing category there's obviously

especially to do well but you're you know you're playing category if the someone gets you out

that's that's life whereas there's that little bit more expectation I think the more a lot of

a lot of the time is I've I've traveled abroad and I'm you know it's slightly different because

they're literally paying you to be there they're paying a lot of money if you to be there you're like

I've got to be well in it who's slightly different so hopefully I can be a bit more relaxed but

yeah I like to try and just relax and enjoy a bit because otherwise

otherwise it's the same as playing professional cricket you know where you're just

stressed all the time absolutely you've got a great bunch down there at Callington to be relaxed Joe

is an absolute top guy Matt Thompson one of big friends of show Tom has gone down to play at Callington

now he's he's taking that step up to the Premier League as well so look forward to seeing how you

get on there we've got to ask you a final question and it's loaded it's a loaded question

please comment on Wizard the Wicked Keeper and his batting style

that's an interesting one because actually I was made into a video with him you know the one

he did with with Trees and Jack Lee I was made into it but then I ended up being busy on that day so I

couldn't um you know it's it's very much club cricket style isn't it but hey you know I like

what he's trying to do it's quite exactly right now yourself and yourself and Oli are without

a shadow the two content creators who are absolutely rocking it with what's going on there so I'm

going to ask you very openly when it comes to the content creators club later on this season you

are officially a content creator Mr. Christen if you're playing on the Sunday of the content creators

club do you reckon I'll be able to draft you in to come and play for someone maybe I thought

it's it's a maybe um yeah I feel like although I'm creating content I don't I don't have the

uh I'm not quite as charismatic on cameras they are I'm a bit more like subdued so I don't know

whether I'd fit in that well in the actual content part yeah I'd probably enjoyed to to hit some

balls and bowl them up but yeah those two years to put our videos out because we just put it on

podcast previously we're exactly the same yeah yeah absolutely brilliant catching up Chris

really look forward to seeing how you get down on and call more if you turn out in that end double

CA we'll be keeping an eye out on that one that'll be really interesting and try to think cut well

call ball versus Devon is always in the same group so that'll be a good one to say the least and

look forward to seeing how you get I just enjoy it mate it's really great to see that smile on

your face they enjoy what you're doing right now thank you very much I appreciate that and

and thanks for having me on have you really enjoyed it absolutely pleasure mate

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