The Reasonably Shady Mailbag #15

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So this is greetings and salutations.

Just Ellen Robin.

Greetings.

I've never written into a podcast show before, but compelled to after hearing the commentary regarding the

America's Next Top Model documentary.

That was a while ago.

A little bit in the kind of.

Even though the documentary shied away from calling the situation with shandy sexual assault or rape, it absolutely was.

That's in caps.

She was not conscious and therefore could not consent, which is rape.

Period.

Please, please, please.

These mothers of young adult women and men make the fact very clear to your daughters and sons.

Consent is a requirement.

And if you are under the influence of anything to the point of blackout or not remembering what happened the

next morning and someone takes advantage of you during the state during that state, not only is that not okay, it's criminal.

Yes, it is.

This is a subject very near and dear to my heart because it happened to me.

As a young adult and a mom of girls now, I'd never want them to experience anything like that.

And I feel terrible for shandy having to have experienced it on television, yet I was crazy.

And 20 years later, it's still not being called out for exactly what it was.

Right.

And any whatever, any whatever, any whatever, absolutely love you ladies.

I'll listen to your podcast as the beginning and I'm so happy for your continued success.

And this is from VLK.

So, I totally agree.

Yes.

Y'all know I have three daughters and I've had these conversations with them over and over and over again.

To the point where I'm like, you need to be drinking a lot.

A, B, and when you're out drinking, you know, I've said it a million times.

Like, if you put your drink down, you don't go back and drink it again.

If somebody buys you a drink from across the room, you ain't taking that drink.

Not necessary.

Like, you don't know what's in it.

And I'm hearing now, they're putting fentanyl in like the date drink drug or whatever.

They put the adding fentanyl in it.

Oh, no.

These streets is wild.

What?

And I have, I tell my kids all the time, like, if it's, you have to be uber, uber careful of everything.

Because you just never know.

Yeah.

And I don't trust nobody.

Yeah.

No.

And to echo that sentiment, I definitely experienced not being able to give consent,

having consent to a sexual experience when I was young, ninth grade.

And at that time, I didn't know that that was rape.

But looking back on it, yes, that is right.

Yeah.

And so that is something we definitely speak to my boys about.

And especially when, like, he's like, if they don't say yes, then don't do it.

Yeah.

And not to say that my kids are out here doing those things.

But it's just something that as a parent, you feel like you just have to always remind your kids.

Oh, yeah.

And especially, and from one's perspective, you have boys.

Yeah.

You know, typically a boy is the aggressor.

Right.

And no.

I mean, no.

No.

Yeah.

Let's be clear on that.

Because these girls out here are hot in the pants.

Yeah.

They're doing all kinds of crazy nonsense.

But typically.

Yeah.

Right.

And so they have to know for sure because they never know what could come back at them.

Yeah.

That girl could be like, oh, I didn't say it was okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You never want that.

Yeah.

So, years ago, athletes who have pretty much lost their career.

Totally.

Because girls have accused them of rape when they may have thought it was consensual.

And it may have been consensual.

And the girl may have, you know, flipped it once her daddy found out.

Yeah.

But we've seen this before.

So, so it's hard, you know, from the boys perspective, it's like, do you have to get it signed?

How do you even say that you had consent if the girl comes back?

Maybe they can say something later.

Video tape it.

On that phone.

Put it on that phone.

Yeah.

Right.

Because a lot of them have a lot to lose.

And I've seen kids really lose their athletic opportunities because either they didn't get

consent or, you know, or the girl says that they didn't get consent.

Yeah.

So, anyway, yes.

I do agree with that.

And it's side note to that, drinking and, you know, if you're doing smoking weed or drinking,

I mean, what do you call it?

Popping pills or whatever.

It gets blurry.

Everything gets blurry.

And so, it's like, that's just remove sex from that.

Because it's not, ain't nobody in their right mind.

But that's when people want to have sex.

You know, that's when a lot of sexual encounters happen.

Yeah.

Wait until you're 18.

When people are intoxicated.

True.

So, it's, it definitely just requires as a parent or, you know, people in the community just

to always be reminding these young people is not worth it.

No.

And just be very careful and be very aware of what you're doing.

Yeah, for sure.

And when that episode aired how many years ago, our society was just not as what socially conscious,

I would say.

Well, not even that.

It was like the first time we were seeing certain things.

Like, that was the first time anybody had ever seen that kind of thing play out.

And it was kind of like, I think we were all just in shock.

Like, why is this happening?

Yeah.

But definitely in the moment, because I think I remember seeing that, it was like cringy.

So, why am I watching this?

Right.

Yeah.

So, I think things have changed.

And, and I don't think something like what happened to Shandy will happen again without

there being some sort of intervention or some sort of, you know, no, this is not okay.

Yeah.

Our society is a lot different these days.

Just as for Shandy.

Yeah, for sure.

However, somebody dissing clips where this was before the documentary came out, but she

was like on Instagram or on live and she was downplaying the situation.

So, I don't, you know, I don't know why, because we all saw it.

Right.

We saw it for what it was.

You were, you were not in your right mind and this boy is on top of you.

Yeah.

Whether she wants to address it.

So, she could have been downplaying it because she don't want to address it.

And I get that.

It would happen.

Yeah.

And it wasn't cool.

It was just interesting.

It was a very different tone from what was on the documentary.

Okay.

From her, coming from her.

How long ago was this?

I got to, I got to find it.

Okay.

It was, it was recent because she looked like an adult.

Okay.

But it was before the documentary came out.

Got it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So, it was her as an adult, but before the documentary.

So, her tone was completely different.

Okay.

So, is Andy Cohen taking over for Kelly Clarkson?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I know we're sitting here.

I've got the TV's on.

I guess he's filling in.

Is Kelly done?

Well, her show is going to be done.

Her show is going to be done.

But is she no longer?

I don't think.

He must just be guest hosting.

Okay.

I looked up and I saw Andy Cohen.

I saw Kelly Clarkson show.

And I saw Andy talking to Demi Lovato.

Right.

So, I'm like, who's interviewing who here?

Right.

And what's happening?

What's happening?

But Andy looks good.

I like the gray hair.

Mm-hmm.

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Anyway, okay, we have another one.

Yeah, let's see what do we have here.

Oh, okay.

So this is from Heather.

Hello, Queens.

Let's break down episode 222 with this Taylor Frankie Paul stuff.

Okay, yes.

Yes.

Because it's because, okay, go ahead.

Yeah, then I have some say.

No, go ahead and do one.

Well, now I'm hearing they're going to air the Bachelor Act.

Oh, really?

They're going to apparently.

So they're thinking about it.

Okay.

So which is, makes more sense because who wants to throw all that money in the trash can?

Yeah.

Okay, interesting.

Okay.

But first, a huge congratulations.

Just out to you and a door with her induction to Alpha Kappa Alpha Serrady.

It's Kiwi initiation.

What an honor to take after her mama.

Now back to Taylor Frankie Paul.

Okay.

What's that hurt?

So what is Taylor Frankie Paul?

Is Taylor Frankie like her first name?

I think so.

And then Paul is her last name.

Paul.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, why we got three names.

Yes, just now you are right.

Very first episode broke down the very toxic relationship between Taylor and Dakota.

And her admitting she did throw a chair at him several times with one of them hitting her daughter.

Oh, but that he had her locked in the garage for over an hour.

And he had held her down and abused her in the garage before locking her in the garage.

Okay.

So we were only seeing one side of her being aggressive.

But he was...

No, I don't want to start.

It was very clear the whole thing is toxic.

Like, both of them are wrong.

Okay.

Dakota has never admitted to these allegations.

She admitted that she did the thing.

She was being accused of and was put on a three year probation that was due to end in August this year.

Right.

So she doesn't have to admit it because we've all seen the video.

Right.

So you don't have to admit it.

Right.

Okay.

Their relationship is very toxic.

They both know exactly how to push each other's buttons.

And what will make the other react badly or in a jealous way to get what they want from each other.

They always end up sleeping together every time they have fought or are on a trip with the crew.

How old are these people?

She slept with them right before she was to leave for the Bachelorette.

Oh, wow.

Oh, okay.

Robin, you are right.

She was just trying to get one in before she left.

I was done that.

But this is a toxic relationship.

Okay.

You got to do the Bachelorette and you're going to get what you're asking?

Yes.

Because she just wants to go there not being horny.

I get that.

Go ahead.

No, you need to go there with a clear mind.

That too.

Robin, you are right.

The filming of season five of Secret Whatever, The Mormon Wife Show, S-L-O-M-W,

was stopped due to the video being leaked by Dakota.

The day she went on all the women.

Who's Dakota?

Dakota.

That's right.

Okay.

I'm thinking of girl.

Dakota leaked it.

Yeah.

Dakota sounds like a female's name.

So it's kind of confusing.

The day she went on all the talk shows to promote the Bachelorette,

doing some backpedaling with the Mormon Wives production on GMA.

They asked her why they had stopped production and she danced around the answer.

Then they asked her, you are an executive producer, aren't you?

Is she?

I don't know.

Let's look that up.

All right.

Is she?

Wow.

That's interesting.

Okay.

Maybe this was her concept.

Is she an executive producer in the way that?

Yes.

Mariah was an executive producer on Mary Tomatoes.

I'm looking it up.

Yeah.

And Shawnee on Bachelorette's.

Interesting.

What's her name, Taylor?

Taylor Frankie Paul.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

She said, yeah, I guess so.

I learned that this year, I learned that this year.

So yeah, production has stopped.

Then the very next day, ABC canceled the airing of the season of the Bachelorette and the fallout

began.

Robin, I also agree with you and your questioning of ABC.

My questions are, who was responsible for completing the background check?

Why would they choose someone who is known for being so toxic in all of her past relationships?

Someone dropped the ball and they also be fired.

Here's a link.

Oh, here's a link to a post, which shows who she ended up accepting a proposal with.

But they have since broken up.

Oh, okay.

So she did accept a proposal.

State thirsty queens.

From Dakota?

Oh, no.

From the bachelor.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

State thirsty queens.

I cannot wait to hear back with your thoughts on all of this and so much more.

Okay.

Let's get the executive producer thing handled.

So it says, yes, Taylor.

Frankie Paul is an executive producer on the secret lives of Mormon wives starting with season four.

So no, she didn't create it, obviously.

But she confirmed her role while addressing a production pause.

Okay.

So are the other cast members executive producers?

That's interesting.

That's quite interesting.

Because it's like, and that's rare.

Yeah.

Because you, it wants to, wants to showcase up and running life.

Once RHOP got up and running.

No, not the cast has come back.

We're like, put me, make me an EP.

Right.

Although people call you.

Think you're a producer.

And I've said I'm million times.

I get one check.

Yeah.

One.

I wish I got more than one.

I only get what that means.

I get a cast check.

Right.

If I was an EP, you can try to believe I was, I'm getting another check.

I don't.

Right.

Yeah, that's interesting.

Very interesting that they, that they do that.

Yeah.

I, I still for the life of me just can't understand why they would make her the bachelor rep.

Knowing that.

I do.

With all this toxicity.

Um, she, so tell me what, like, what am I missing?

Okay.

If you were to watch that show, you would get it.

She's like, started a show.

Okay.

Her and the other girl who's on Broadway right now.

Who I don't even know her name.

But um, this girl has a, the demographic of like a page.

Disorbo.

Like that demo.

Like your, your young white female audience.

Okay.

She got that on lot.

Okay.

So you're going to give her, she, she brings in the viewers.

So you're going to give her that show.

Okay.

I get it.

And now, did they know she was a train wreck prior to hiring her?

Absolutely.

Do producers sometimes want that little edge of train wreck, but then hope she grows up?

Sure.

But she didn't.

But on the Bachelorette?

No.

The Bachelorette is not for train wrecks.

No, it's not for train wrecks.

But like, as we're talking through this.

So I saw Rachel Lindsey talking about them.

Yeah.

And she was pretty much saying, you know, in order to be on the Bachelorette, especially for

her as the fat first black Bachelorette.

Yeah.

You, you got to cross all the teas and dot all the eyes and be perfect.

Pretty much.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Perfect.

So I'll go ahead and so as we're talking about it, I'm thinking, yes, I see the double standard

but also maybe that's for the people.

It's different here because, as you said, Taylor Frankie Paul already had an audience totally.

She already was established.

So this was more of a celebrity Bachelorette?

Correct.

This is not somebody off the street.

Rachel was off the street.

I mean, obviously.

But you know, we didn't know who she was.

That's how she became Rachel Lindsey.

This girl has a built-in audience.

Right.

And it would have, if everything went well, it would have been blackbusters.

Right.

For her.

Now, because one of them, one of these more of my girls is on Broadway, like I just said,

from what I understand, for Chicago, from what I understand, they didn't sell more tickets

for Chicago with this girl on it, then they have sold in years.

Wow.

So these more of my wives are hot.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm here for that.

Like get your coins and all that.

Yeah.

But you got to reel it in.

There's a fine line between great TV and a train wreck for TV and maturity.

Yeah.

So Bachelorette, but if they know about the toxicity clearly, they've seen this show, they know

who she is, then maybe a good part of the show is addressing that.

Yes.

Maybe that's something, and I don't know if they did that or not, but maybe that's something

they've been addressed on the Bachelorette.

Totally.

And that's a moment and opportunity for growth for her and evolution for her.

Totally.

So all they have to do is pick up scene and drop it in the beginning of the whole, I mean,

the beginning of the whole Bachelorette.

I don't even know how I've never watched the Bachelorette.

So I don't know how it's played out.

But like, do a pick up scene and talk about it and just drop it in the in the front part.

Yeah.

And you're done.

Yeah.

And then show the whole thing and make all your money.

Right.

Yes.

So, okay.

Or maybe she already got picked.

No, she can't.

I've got a bait.

The whole thing.

Not the whole thing.

You know, not everything.

Because you still have more stuff to film.

The reunion and all that.

Yeah.

Or her.

Her presence of applications and stuff like that.

Yeah.

But she probably got most of it.

Yeah, she probably got most of it.

They might want a bag.

Yeah.

And then, I mean, but it's not just that.

Whatever she got paid is dwarfed in comparison to the product.

How much the production cost period.

Yes.

So, I think they're realizing that now that it's dying down.

That the ad sales on this will be through the roof.

They're going to run it.

Yeah.

Let's bet.

You think they're going to run it?

I'm going to give it 30 days.

They're going to run it.

So, my thing is, if she already, if this video.

So, so people were aware of her behavior.

But they have never seen it.

No, I saw it.

Well, these are two different incidents.

Instances.

What I saw the first season of Morma Lives,

she was fighting with the boy and she got arrested.

And that was on the show.

That was on the show.

They showed her fighting on the show.

They showed them scuffling and screaming.

And then, they showed her get arrested.

They showed the police coming.

Okay.

Somebody called the cops.

So, from episode one, we notice girls are training right.

Right.

And then, they can, they have their toxic.

And then, she gets pregnant by him.

And then, you know, they're toxic the entire time.

So, if whatever we, you know, whatever we've seen,

it's 100 times worse that we haven't seen.

Right.

So, everybody is aware of who, and what she is,

and what she's capable of on camera.

So, to give her the best direct,

to film a whole season.

Yeah.

For her to pick her dude.

And we not see this like for what?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They need to just film a pickup scene

just to kind of address the situation,

plop it in the beginning,

and then go from there.

Yeah.

And maybe...

And to give me a robbing EP credit.

Because clearly, y'all knew that this existed.

Yeah.

And I don't, maybe they just pulled it

from airing just so that all of this would die down.

Well, and I also think because everybody knew

she went back to the boy.

She went back to Brooklyn.

Or was his name?

Dakota.

Dakota.

She went back to Dakota.

So, it's kind of like a slap in the face

to the whole Bachelorette of it all.

Wait.

But he's the one that leaked the taste.

She went back to him.

They had sex again.

They got into a fight.

Like, it's this whole thing.

It's just toxic.

Okay.

Well, you're just going to air it.

Just going to air it.

It's not like...

It's not like she was making disparaging comments

about racial groups.

Or, you know, it wasn't like she did something offensive.

This was something that she did...

To herself.

To herself.

Yeah.

That people were already aware of what she was capable of.

Yeah.

And, yeah.

Just make this a little...

She quite a Marianist in learning.

So, like, let's just...

She's going to marry Dakota?

Yeah.

So, let's just watch the Bachelorette and everybody...

Everybody get their money.

Network...

Her...

Everybody.

Yeah.

I'm not mad at the air.

Go on.

Go on the air and I'm not mad.

But I also don't...

I'm not...

I'm not part of like the legion of people who watched the Bachelorette.

So, I don't have strong opinions.

And I don't know if there's people who have strong opinions about this,

but I don't have a strong opinion.

But, yeah.

Just go on the air.

Go on the air.

And, um...

Bye.

Rob and I got to go.

Because we have EP checked to collect.

Okay.

Yes, we do.

Yes, we do.

Yes, we do.

Bye.

Okay, bye.

That was it.

Oh, we got it.

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A tragedy that's now forgotten.

End of mystery.

That may have been not have been political.

That may have been about sex.

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Murder at City Hall.

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Hey, I'm Jay Shetty.

Host of the On purpose podcast.

My latest episode is with Noah Kahn.

The singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit

Stick Season.

And one of the biggest voices in music today.

Talking about the mental illness stuff.

It used to be the thing that I was ashamed of.

Getting to talk about this is not common for me.

Right now, I need it more than ever.

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Hey, it's Nor Jones.

And my podcast playing along is back.

With more of my favorite musicians.

Check out my newest episode with Josh Groban.

You really did the phantom at that point.

Yeah, I would definitely like the phantom in that.

That's so funny.

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In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins.

But the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax.

You doctor this particular test twice in selling, correct?

I doctor the test ones.

It took an army of internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern.

Two more men who'd been through the same thing.

Greg, a lesbian.

Michael Manchini.

My mind was blown.

I'm Stephanie Young.

This is Love Trap.

Laura, Scottsdale Police.

The season continues.

Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

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