The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives 0405 “The Book of Power and Pain”

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Today on this episode of RealityGaze,

because it's a day that ends in why they bunked.

Boy, it's a real talent to give a fuck boy

like Harry Zhaozi, the ik.

Hey guys, what do you want for lunch?

Wait, is that Bachelor host Jesse Palmer?

What a coincidence.

Rolex, Christina.

Oh, one thing I know for sure.

Taylor Frankie Paul's is going to be probably the worst

bachelor at we've ever seen.

What?

I mean, it could be the best bachelor at,

but she is not ready for seeing her

this fight with her in Dakota.

I went, oh, you are not ready because she's the worst

or she's the best or she's the best.

Yeah, that's true.

Maybe she will be the best.

Yeah, but I just keep thinking she's going to get

quickly attached to some of these guys and then

get really pissed off at them.

And it's not and that top not going to really angry.

Yeah, got a lot of rage.

She's small, but angry.

There's a very angry, very angry.

Oh boy, y'all, this is reality, guys.

I'm Maddie and I'm poodle.

And we're two ridiculous homosexuals who love tearing

reality television a new one.

And today we're talking about who lose the secret

lives of Mormon wives season four, episode five,

the book of power and pain and pain to turn on for poodle,

especially when they're together.

Got to have them in the both.

Got to have them, got to have them both together.

Yeah, I can see that.

I can see that I talk on peanut butter.

I also feel like down pay it worked.

I also felt like, you know, at the part where Harry

kind of grabs his face and just looks up at this guy,

just fighting the thing about it is.

Well, I wanted to say, is that kind of the face

you would make when your parents would start fighting

in public in front of people?

Because didn't your parents fight in public?

Yeah, oh, yeah.

Out to dinner.

And in front of my friends, really?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I can give his shit.

Nope.

Nope.

Wow.

Yeah, anyway, I felt your pain in that moment

because of Harry.

I think what's interesting here is that even Miranda

says we're used to like Taylor

and kind of fighting.

It's kind of like background noise.

And you can tell Harry is not used to know some,

and it's not even that these are two people

who aren't in a relationship anymore,

but they act like they are.

And it's one of the worst relationships

because they're so both so reactive.

Truly, especially Taylor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dakota's reactive in a different way.

More like, but I didn't do anything.

I didn't do anything, but he did.

But and then and then she gets and then she.

I had to because I was watching this at like 1.2 speed.

I can't when Taylor gets heated.

Oh, I have to take it down.

I kind of have to watch all of this

on the regular speak because they all talk fast.

Mm-hmm.

Like Michaela and Mace, I can't.

And so I watch it in real time.

Talk fast.

Now when the guys talk, I can speed it up.

Because they all talk for all the guys talk like this.

Like a straight guy boy.

Yeah.

That's every straight guy in your life.

And he's just like day, day, day, day, day, day, day, day, day.

Yeah, I remember my brother went to puberty

and he's actually a tenor voice,

but he would lower his voice so much than he would talk.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Would your brother do that or no?

I can't remember.

I think I tried to,

but it still sounded like B. Arthur.

Hello.

Hi.

Hi.

Didn't really work.

I'm Jake.

Hi.

I never tried there.

I never tried.

Oh, well.

So you always talk like this.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

Pretty much.

If you're, if you're not,

some of you are listening to a stock

but some of you are watching.

So hello, if you're on YouTube.

Who are you watching?

You're watching us.

Be sure to watch me.

I'd like to watch.

Okay.

Well, I was about to say be sure to subscribe

and click that like button.

But maybe after that.

Like me.

Like me.

Oh, boy.

That should be tattooed on your back.

Okay.

Can we just do this?

Please.

I don't know.

I'm going to prevent you at every opportunity.

It's one of those shows.

Oh, great.

Two-hour show, everybody.

Buckle the fuck up.

What are you going to do?

It's a retrograde.

The world's burning.

So settle in y'all.

Settle the pot.

I'm going to say.

Harry Jassy has these moves.

He's like, oh, your hair is a little bit messy

and just finds a reason to touch her.

Yeah.

And she's like, oh, it's always messy.

I never brush my hair.

She's is true.

Jeremy should wear it.

She never brushes her.

It always looks looks like a rat.

Then it does.

Then like shovel around in there.

And I love her for it.

Yeah.

Either she's come.

Now, I will say she is not going to put on airs

on the bachelorette.

She is going to be all Taylor Frankie Paul.

They let her wear sweats.

They're going to have to.

Because that's her.

Also, at this point, Taylor Frankie Paul,

make a line of your own sweats.

100%.

Where's that?

I think her ADHD is too active for her to do that.

I agree.

Yeah.

Pretty much.

So they're in the kitchen and Dakota walks in, tries like, hey, where's Mason?

Oh, oh, and he's like, I'm not taking the bait.

And it's like both these people are doing confessionals and saying, yeah, I'm not letting

them think I'm pissed off.

And both of them are so obviously.

They're so obvious.

It is.

They're not 14.

This is 11-year-olds.

It really is.

There's no way for them to hide this.

It's terrible.

And so Harry starts asking about, he's like, yeah, that's meant that's because what

what happened was I met her husband when we were swinging, talking about Amanda Miranda.

He's like, what?

Swinging.

He's like, oh, yeah.

It was a whole thing.

Yeah.

It was a whole thing.

We're past it.

But have to like get them.

Can't get caught up.

He's like, you know, polygamy.

And I, the thing is, Harry knows how to play dumber than he is.

It's like, who's polygamy?

He knows what the polygamy is.

When he said who is polygamy, I fucking died.

That was so funny.

He knows that it's a word.

He's doing comedy.

Hopefully, he knows what polygamy is.

Probably.

It's smarter than he lets on.

Trust me.

I can just tell.

Meanwhile, he's like, who's polygamy?

You cut to Dakota and he is just like stealing, coming out of his ears.

He's so...

Yeah.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Did you know what's interesting here is Harry comes in to the little circle and sits

by Dakota.

Mm-hmm.

It's up.

And then they start bro talking.

Well, he's like England.

You're from England?

Well, at the time, Harry doesn't know who Dakota is.

No.

No.

So Dakota says, well, I'm going to be buddy, buddy with him because that's going to piss

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She's annoyed that she's like really annoyed that they're hitting it off.

They're just bros now.

And then she's like, I'm going to ruin this.

That's one of my baby daddies.

Another one back in Utah and probably another one on the back.

So I'm going to find so it's like she's just burning it down burning it down.

This episode was probably the you got to see Taylor at her worst.

Yeah.

It was a great episode though.

Yeah.

I think the best of the season so far.

I think this is your right though.

She will.

This is total Gemini vibes.

She will burn it fucking down.

All of it.

Even if it burns her, she will denaris Targaryen this fucking place.

And then she's then he's like, were you dating anyone to Dakota and he's like and Taylor

speaks for him.

He's like, no, he just got back from the villa.

He had a lot of fun there.

It's just and he's like, oh, I was going to do that too.

He's like, but then they decided to probably have sex with everybody.

He's making a joke and he's like, well, ask Dakota about that.

He knows all that.

Sex everybody in the bathroom, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

This is can't keep it in.

No one keep it in.

She's and it's like the thing is Harry is starting to like thinking, what's going on?

And then Dakota's like, to be fair, I really tried not to have sex with people.

He did say that.

And you know what?

He means it.

Well, you can relate to that statement.

Yes.

I tried really hard not to have sex with friends of friends or since he's husband.

I try hard not to but it just but you're right.

He means it.

And that's his dilulu thinking that he feels like and because I tried hard not to that makes

me a good guy.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Like she's a mortified holy she's just like staring that's when Harry's kind of face.

He's like grabbing onto his face like what the fuck that's when Dakota says, well, Taylor,

it's just this vindictive stuff you do like, why do you want and then she's like, why

do you care?

Why do you care?

You know, if I was a girl for your wife, I would understand but I'm not, I'm not your

girlfriend or what.

She turns into Darcy.

She does a little bit.

Well, she starts talking really fast.

She starts, her eyes get really big and he's like, you put you cry about everything

I do.

And Harry just says, I'm going to cry right now.

And basically, yeah, yeah, that was a good Lord.

This is so embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed for you all.

Again, it was cringy and may she's like, I just there's no way of not watching him get

under her skin.

And Harry's like, well, that's what's great, everyone.

And I'm going to go home.

I'm out.

And you see when close to club after, oh, yeah, you see him close the door and he goes, holy

shit.

Uh, next morning, guess what happened?

Yeah.

I could have, I could have put money on this tail as old as time.

Woo.

Boy, knock on Taylor's door.

Layla says, oh my God, I sought to code a naked.

And the worst thing, the only thing we're seeing to code a naked is seeing Taylor next

to him.

Yeah.

And I like it that it's not funny anymore, like the girls just go to both of them.

What do you guys think you're doing?

No, may, may seem like they just walk in and open the door and they're like the fuck

and start doing fucking therapy with it.

It's like, that's the, it's not even a joke anymore.

It is offensive to everyone in the house.

It's like an offensive odor.

Well, in Taylor, I think she says, maybe it's in this episode where she says, who I sleep

with doesn't affect y'all.

Yes, it does.

It does.

This great because Taylor is so dramatic about it and such a fucking mess, a hot mess

affects her leadership.

And because Dakota is now in dad talk, they all are dealing with the shrapnel, catching

shrapnel from this.

Yeah.

Uh, and the producer asks her, why don't you sleep with him and he's like, I'm an idiot.

It's a cycle because we have a trauma bond.

I think that they're right.

I think they are bonded by some type of trauma, but I think it's, I think it really is,

uh, uh, I think Jesse calls it later and I, I, my mouth kind of dropped open how she's

simply said it.

She's like, yeah, I think, I think Taylor, um, your dad, you're still getting over your

dad leaving you and she says like this, Taylor, you're still getting over your dad leaving

you and when you see Dakota, it kind of combines him and he and your dad into one person.

So that's, that's kind of where it comes from when I was like, oh, Jesus, and she said

it like just so matter of fact, matter of fact, I don't think, look, you know, the definition

of a trauma bond is that you bonded over some type of trauma.

I don't know what trauma Dakota and Taylor bonded over.

What I do know, I feel like is, I think it's more about kind of what Miranda said earlier

and what you were talking about in the last episode.

I think Taylor and Dakota feel like the other person is the best that they can get because

they are in like, they both, the, the whole in the void that Taylor Frankie Paul has, Dakota

has it too.

Yeah.

Just to clarify, there's this is a misnomer about trauma bond.

It's actually, we talked this before.

It's actually an intense unhealthy emotional attachment form between an abuser and a victim.

Well, that, that, that is how they originally started, yes, yes.

Yes.

But I want to be specific with our terms.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No.

Well, the term is, it's got it, in what I was bringing up to, it's got conflated that

now it means it's kind of the way gaslighting does an all like a guy can be an asshole and

people say he's gaslighting me and it's not gaslighting at all.

But I don't, I, I think it should be a different term because this is a completely different thing.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'm just saying, but the ship has already said people are already using it in a correct

way all the time.

We see it all the time on these shows.

Yeah.

I just, I don't, I don't want to coastline it though.

Um, it's kind of like the word toxic.

It's kind of like gotten to where, but that doesn't, it doesn't, doesn't mean anything

anymore.

I think it's two different things.

What I'm saying is this means a certain thing that's a lot, that's not even what this

is.

Mm-hmm.

So I don't, even though they say trauma bond, I think we just need to say that's not, that's

not what this is.

I don't want people to, yeah, I don't think it is a trauma.

It's, it's really an empty bond.

They both feel so empty.

Right.

And that's what attracts them to one another is because they, again, they, they both feel

so unlovable.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree.

Um, so they're, so they're talking, uh, Macy's like, I'm just trying to understand the whole

situation.

Dakota, you must love the toxicity too because I just, and then Taylor says, so last night

I walked, so I'm walked by the room and I thought, oh, that's Evers walk.

Oh, wait, add in another layer, add in another layer, missing her baby and her child.

And she's like, that's part Dakota and the, and she's like, and then he came in and we

were talking and in the middle of the night, he tries and I cave, it's very confusing.

And, and, and then the same Macy just hold her baby and just absentmindedly rocking

her baby.

It's like these people are crazy.

And, and so then it's actually not confusing.

It's, again, it's less scary.

It's less scary to go back to your own patterns because the, the human body, our, our mind,

we get attracted actually whether they're healthy or not have healthy.

We get it, we get attracted to the patterns that we do and the familiarity.

And so, yeah, when she said that, I was like, no, it's because it, this makes you both

feel regulated and comfortable again.

I think when there's two, when she's talking about confusing, I think it's her values.

She's confused by, they're told you, you, you find that person when you grew up Mormon.

And then you find the person you love and that's the person you're always going to be with.

Yeah.

So I understand when she's talking about me and confusing.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

That's true.

So, because it's a very, very black and white way to live.

You find that person, you're sealed, you're sealed in the temple, you're, you're with,

with them for the end of time and you'll be with each other for the celestial kingdom.

And it's not like that for most people or the eternities.

Right.

Meanwhile, Macy gets a call from her publicist.

And the, I got to say, this, these publicists people, well, they, remember, y'all, they work

for her and it, and it felt like they were yelling at her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so she's like, she's not making the book a priority.

The bookstores in Salt City is upset, the sales aren't great.

I feel like though, the publicists should be on, they're like, we're just relaying

the things.

We're just relaying what they were saying.

And remember, Macy pays the publicists.

Yeah.

And I guess I would think, if I was a publicist, I would maybe make suggestions instead of

saying they don't, they don't feel like you're making the book a priority.

I don't know.

Riders talk all about all the time how the publishers come down on them.

So maybe this is just the way, this is different than publishers though.

This is the publicists or the publicist, this is publicist calls, oh, because the publisher

called her, sorry, no, the publicist, because the publisher called the publicist, that's

another minute.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

The bookstore.

The intermediary.

Well, probably it was just by this.

It was probably some bitchy queen at a bookstore in Salt Lake City, like you calling when you

worked at the bookstore saying, this is not acceptable.

We don't have any seats filled and you probably reamed them out.

I know.

I'm just saying, I think if I was a publicist, I would, I'd have a better bedside manner

talking to my client.

Yeah.

Neither of these women didn't seem like they were.

No, no, no.

Oh, so I just had a baby.

She's like, I just had a baby.

And I guess, and also the book, remember, the book hasn't been released yet.

So I guess these are advanced sales because this was to the event because this was filmed.

The book just gave us a timeline.

If Bachelorette starts in October, this book was released in October.

So they're probably, and I believe dancing with the stars started in September.

So that's, they're like a month away or whatever, and that's what, yeah.

I just feel like, I don't know.

I was like, so the bookstores aren't happy.

Fine.

They're going to try to move it to a smaller venue.

Yeah.

And it's amazing.

I don't, I don't know.

Part of me think this was manufactured because of the way the publicists.

Just talk to her.

I just don't think a publicist is going to talk to you that way.

That you pay.

Yeah.

You're their client.

And they can be real with you without being mean.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know.

I just kind of like, what?

And well, and so, you know, the book's called Told You So, by the way, did come out in

October and she says, you know, I wrote this for someone who thought their life was over.

And you know, that's how I felt and, you know, that you can give it all and that you

can do these things.

But at the same time, she's like, the iron, oh, the ironing is that I'm having this book

about this.

And right now, I feel overwhelmed.

And people tell me I'm not doing much.

Yeah.

Um, so to promote the book, yeah.

Meanwhile, Miranda's having sex ed with Taylor Frankie Paul.

And Tyler even says, is this the first time?

Well, I think Jen maybe mentioned with the birth control.

I think we have mentioned it some when Taylor said it is safe to say that there is a wound

there.

I'm like, safe.

Um, yeah, so Miranda is basically like, did you use production?

She's like, well, and she's like, what if you get pregnant?

And now Miranda talks about that.

The church used to be really bad, but actually now you can do, you can use birth control.

The church allows that and it's not considered reckless.

And Taylor is like, I track it, though, I track, I track my cycles.

And but Miranda's like, what you're going to be on the bachelor, you're probably going

to sleep with one of them.

What did you get pregnant on the bachelor yet?

And Taylor, we can't speak to this because I mean, definitely, Poodle has hormones, but

we don't have the hormones women in the same, the same type of, uh, of birth control and

hormone relationships.

It's not, not.

Well, and Taylor's like, she doesn't want to fuck that up in her body because she's already

before.

Yeah.

And so Miranda's like, but again, what this is about is she's like, I don't want to use

self sabotage this.

You're going to be on the bachelor's, like, this is a huge opportunity.

And then she said, I love this line.

I don't think the network wants a pregnant bachelor.

Yeah.

Besides, besides, I don't think these women are, I think maybe Miranda, I don't think

these women are educated about birth control.

It's not a culture.

No.

Yeah.

So they don't know about things like IUDs.

Um, or I think that are not.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think I, because none of these guys are going to wear a condom.

No.

No.

No.

They're just not.

Even, um, Laila says, I hate condoms.

Taylor's like, so do I.

They both.

I was like, Oh, God, we're going to have a fucking baby.

Oh, God.

There's going to be a bachelor at baby.

There's going to be a bachelor at baby.

Oh, he's fucking people.

Oh, I'll leave.

Whitney and Connor are coming over.

And they're the, the, all the men are going to pinks for hot dogs.

And all I can think of is just to hearing that makes me shit myself almost.

They're not good, y'all.

They are.

I don't think there are either that you will.

I sat for three days after I ate pinks.

Yeah.

It's a very famous hot dog place.

There's always a lot.

I don't see a lot anymore.

Not as much anymore.

No.

Yeah.

Well, people are eating less meat.

And they make it.

But I bet pinks has a vegan hot dog.

Absolutely.

Now I need to see.

So then they're all telling Connor about Harry Jousey and, uh, and it, how it pissed Taylor

off more.

And it's like, and I ended up with Taylor in my bed and he's kind of proud of it.

And Connor's like, I am so disappointed.

And that's when we get this, um, he's talking to them.

And he's like, this is what, I don't think I believe this, uh, Dakota says, if we were

done and we didn't have a kid, I would cut her out of my life.

I don't believe that.

I don't believe that either.

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Yeah, because he's quote-selber, but Taylor Frankie Paul's his drug.

Yeah, for sure.

And she says, she's got me on a leash and Connor's like, but you're the one keeping the collar on.

And I think Connor would know some things about collars.

Yeah.

And Jason, ever the poet says, you're a dog with thumbs.

I don't know what that needs.

Thumbs, the dogs don't have thumbs.

Like opposable thumbs, so they can't hold on to him.

Oh, because you can't hold on to it.

He can take, no, he could take the collar off.

Oh, got it.

I didn't get it at the time.

I thought it was really funny.

That is funny.

Now that I get it, when I have to explain it to you, it's really funny.

Please explain it again. I love that part.

So the girls are at the Henry.

I'm like, it's not, it's not fun when you see people go to place you were just at.

I literally was there last week.

We went there like three weeks ago.

It's good.

It's fine.

It's good.

It's fine.

It's own, but we found out what I was, it's owned by the same company.

They owned the cheesecake factory.

No shit.

Yeah.

Why is the food so much better than the cheesecake factory?

I don't know.

Maybe you can find a manager who works at the Henry,

and you can date him for three months and get free food from the Henry.

Like you did that cheesecake manager.

No, no date him for three months.

Two months.

Hmm.

Enough to get, go twice.

And he wrote that bill off and you would, you almost.

It was the hottest fucking thing.

I got free food.

Do you know what that's like?

Even though it's cheesecake factory.

I don't care.

And we kept ordering food.

He's like, we'll try this and this and this.

And I felt like fucking pretty woman.

Because.

If I'm going to or he's like, we'll get this.

We'll try a little bit of everything.

I'm like, I feel like fucking royalty here.

Did you feel disgusting?

Yes.

I felt disgusting.

Both times.

And I never slept with him.

That's because I wasn't into it.

Well, you were too full to fuck.

That's the problem.

Man, I got exactly what I wanted and realized I didn't want it at all.

Boy, that's the analogy for your life.

That's my fifth bin bar.

That's the thread.

Boy, that's very me to get exactly what I want.

I realized I didn't want this at all.

That's a Libra for you.

Okay.

Do you believe that Jesse Palmer

was just there at a coffee shop?

That feels to come on.

Y'all also too that I mean,

and he's like, but I saw some filming.

So I was attracted like a moth to a flame.

The Henry is, it's a huge restaurant and it's got like,

it's in Beverly Hills, but it's a bit more.

It's right across from, it used to be called the newsroom.

Y'all just give you little history,

but it's right across from the Ivy,

which when we moved to LA,

it was like the place celebrities went.

Not the case anymore because what happens is celebrities go places

and then it becomes touristy.

So now only tourists go to the Ivy.

It's not that good.

Don't go.

But I feel like it used to be a good place to see.

I feel like the Henry is more touristy as well.

I don't feel like celebrities would go there as much.

Maybe I don't know.

I feel like it's like quintessentially a lot of LA people go there.

Maybe.

I don't see celebrities there.

So maybe he was there, but I don't think it was an,

yeah, I don't know.

He was at a coffee shop.

That's what he said.

And I saw filming, which is a weird thing to say.

Yeah, you work in the biz, like you film all the time.

And he's like putting together a great group of guys for your tailor.

And I think Macy says, Macy says, that's your sign to stop sleeping with Dakota.

Yeah, that's your sign.

Come on.

And Jesse's like, well, I'll see next time I'll see you.

I'll see you at the mansion.

Yeah.

Come on.

This is cross promo, y'all.

Totally, totally.

But anyway, Macy says that Whitney doesn't know that.

And so Whitney goes, Taylor, the same way we go,

Kimberly, Kimberly, Kimberly.

Oh, I miss them.

I hope they come back.

She was a, she's like, we don't have problems.

We don't have, I guarantee you do.

We don't.

Maybe they are going to be back on love after lockup.

Love, it'd be, it'd be love life after lockup.

Yeah, they're actually some of the ones I'd like to see again,

because that woman's life is a big, whole mess.

Oh, God, Kimberly.

Oh, Kimberly, even her father and her father,

who said, I know you stole that dirt back.

I know you stole that dirt back.

I know you shook it air.

I had a garage.

And the cousin who does her nails.

Yes, who used to date her now, boyfriend.

Yes, that's so good.

It's so good.

I think we can move on now to, they're kind of talking about all

their, their, everyone's new opportunities in Leila,

where I think we're going to see her walk in New York Fashion Week this season.

So she always wants to be a model.

And Jesse is getting the, the boss babe award.

And which sounds like a fake award.

But sure, who gives out the boss babe award?

I got to see this.

Then I think Jen is talking about, I want to be build my friendship with Whitney,

but it is feeling a little bit competitive with, with putting us against each other.

And Jesse, we find out from Macy that Jesse is choosing the Alex Cooper Unwell event

over Macy's book tour that she said she was going to host.

And Whitney is basically saying, you know, it's okay to have your feelings hurt.

And you can tell Macy normally does push down her feelings.

And, and yeah.

And which is interesting saying this with Whitney didn't go to Macy's thing.

So again, someone's not showing up for Macy.

And, you know, and Macy's like, but I don't want to see her lose something that's important to her.

And she said that.

Whitney doubles down.

Again, she doesn't remember her history.

Whitney is like, but she already committed to something and why she choosing something different.

Yeah.

So anyway, Macy was like, I hope she chooses her friends because I worry this would pull Mom talk apart.

Every time, can Mom talk survive this?

Can Mom talk survive this?

That's what we should put on a shirt.

The boys come back and of course Taylor and Dakota are just sitting right by each other.

And at one point, I think that someone says, I'm tired of something.

And Macy just says, yeah.

You know what we're tired of is people sleeping with the wrong people.

Exactly.

And that's when Taylor is like, how does it affect y'all?

And they're all like, it does.

It affects us a lot.

I think what they're tired of is they're tired of pulling Taylor out of the drain.

Every single time.

I am tired of going to Vegas at three in the morning to pick you up.

But I still will because we have a business together.

It's a good time.

Is it?

You always make me stop at that Taco Bell and Victorville and then you sleep the whole way home and snore.

With just a little bit of lettuce from the taco hanging out of my mouth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh.

Coco, Coco, Coco, that's what you do here.

Not to cheese over my face.

Um, so the boys are talking about Connor's destroying Dakota.

Yeah.

And they're like, Connor just killed me.

And Dakota says, Taylor always has to push me away.

She says she still wants to be with me.

But she says she can't where she feels like it's impossible.

And he's like, it's just yeah, if she was nice to me,

then things would be so much easier.

And I wrote, and if you didn't keep fucking other women.

Yeah, you didn't stop cheating on her.

Sure.

Yeah.

So next day, we're still in LA.

We're all together.

And so the publisher is calling again.

Macy's talking about to Jacob how this is where we start to see potential kind of cracks

with Jacob and Macy, who've been kind of like a rock couple.

Do you notice that these women are great at communicating to each other when they are,

when they are annoyed by something.

But when they're annoyed by their husband, Macy's like, you're being annoying.

And it's almost that I'm childish.

And I thought that's not helpful.

Yeah.

Right.

They'll do that to their husbands.

Yeah.

You're annoying.

I'm like, are you eight?

You can have normal.

You can communicate the same exact way.

Exactly.

Because I don't feel like, look, if I did a montage of it, Jacob,

what's happening?

Again, Macy's feeling overwhelmed.

And Jacob is being like a lot of men do is trying to be a problem solver.

Yeah, trying to solve the problems.

Offering the solutions.

That again, the question that would help them so much,

that helps so many couples is before you talk to someone, say,

are you looking for support or solutions?

And that's all you have to ask someone.

And then they, that's an old therapy technique.

And then they tell you and then you know which way to go.

That sentence literally saves marriages.

I, I, if men would learn that.

Yeah.

If straight men would learn that.

Baby, just tell them.

Tell them say, I need you to ask if I want support or solutions.

Because all Macy wants is for something to listen to her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And to say, golly, this has to be overwhelming.

This has to be a lot for you.

This has, you know, you should ask me that.

No, you need solutions.

No, I don't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You need solutions.

You're a mess.

I'm not going to tell you what I need.

You're going to have to guess.

Well, then why don't you ask me what you don't offer support?

That's not really your, yeah, I'm going to give you solutions.

Whether you're one or not.

Well, I know better.

Just walked out this morning.

Still can't find the car.

I was clicking on that door thing on the door hopper looking for that toyota.

Throw it away.

Well, as he said, I could take it to a dealership.

I might do that.

But it's all the way down in Culver City or all that one up in Hollywood.

Oh, my.

They've already gotten a new car.

Our new car key.

You think they're just driving?

They're, you think you're just, well, I guess I'm not going to drive my car anymore.

Think of the alternative.

You know, if you weren't paying attention, you said this on 90 day.

I think so.

A random key.

It was like on your mailbox.

Someone dropped it outside and they hung it on one of our doorbells outside our building.

So the person actually, they thought it was possible.

I think it was dropped in front of our, our, our building.

And they thought it was maybe somebody that lived here.

Is the person who put it on your doorbells?

Maybe you should be trying to find that person.

Well, how?

Exactly.

I should text everyone in the building.

You go a knock on every door.

In your, you can make a flyer in English and Spanish.

Maybe that would be helpful.

And you go a knock on and you, and you, you say, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to,

because I need to find out who put this on my, my, my book.

And then you'd be a crazy person.

They call the cops on you.

Oh,

then I would, then you'd get in trouble.

And you'd realize how ridiculous all this is.

That's why I don't listen to poodle solutions because I meant to trap you.

Yeah.

That's usually how it works.

Anyway, uh, Jacob even says he's like, you know, we're not really typical Mormons

because men get the priesthood and women don't.

But I'm not going to be an asshole and make decisions for her.

I just try to give her solutions.

And I don't think she, she even says, I don't want you to tell me.

To do that.

And, and in fact, the only thing was she says is you're being annoying.

And I was just like, it was a really bad communication on her part, actually.

And I'm like, if you're not trying to push him towards dad talk,

that ain't the way, honey.

Yeah.

Jordan Jesse finally come.

Jordan.

Yay, Jesse.

She was like, New York was great.

She got the boss everywhere.

She's like, last year Kim Kardashian wanted it.

And this year, I got it.

Macy says, I'm not going to bring up that Jesse's not coming to my event.

Even though she said she was going to host it.

And she says, I'll get over it.

Um, now, do you think it's funny that like,

coming out, Taylor has to come out to have slept with Dakota

to every single person who arrives, which just goes to show,

Taylor, you're, you're disproving your own point.

You, it is everyone's problem because you have to tell them.

Yes, it is, I love that Jesse was like, it's wild that I've only been gone for 24 hours

and she slept with them in that time.

And that's when she says, Taylor, your core wound

is that you're unlovable because of your dad.

And Dakota made you also feel unlovable.

And you're trying to fix the relationship with Dakota

and your dad and they kind of combine at the same time.

And everyone went, whoa, think, think, think, think, think.

I don't remember if Taylor talked a lot about her bio, dad,

but very little, very little.

But she answers so many questions.

She was not, she's not in her life.

He's not in her life.

And I never realized that she was a better one time.

And then she says, I was an option for my father.

God, can you imagine internalizing that?

Yeah.

And, and then now I'm, I feel like I'm an option to Dakota.

It's almost like, I don't want to tell myself I wasn't good enough for them to stay.

But I really have to work through this.

And it seems like she is going to find out more about her

family history.

At least she sees on the next episode.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we haven't seen it yet.

So it seems like it.

Jen shows up.

So she's up there.

And then we get, y'all, we get the truth box.

It's it copied out.

As we said, Whitney's like, fuck this.

I'm out of here.

I think that really only thing that comes up

is with the truth box.

Kind of is the whole

Macy does tell Jesse that her feelings were hurt.

And kind of as she explained it, you know,

I, I liked it when, um, when Layla says, Jordan has no original ideas.

Once again, yeah, I think thank you for saying that.

Also, Mason is shirtless.

Because Mason and Dakota are working out.

It's incredible.

It's like, it's incredible.

And it's watching like a really hot guy workout.

And then Dakota looking like the soccer dad

who's trying to get back in.

And he's got a good body.

I was going to say it's not that bad.

But the way he's acting with the workout, he's like,

woo, it's more of his, I'm not talking about the way he looks.

I was telling him the way he acts.

Oh, it's like, whoa, that was a lot.

And Mason's gonna break his sweat.

Yeah, Macy's just looking in there with his

pendulous dong that body to Jesus.

Yeah, it's got to be genetic, right?

I noticed that reality gay started following him on Instagram.

And I don't think that was Caitlin.

I don't think I did it.

I don't think I did it.

For real.

I don't think it was me.

Maybe I did.

I don't know.

Maybe one night late.

In a vodka stupor, you probably did.

That's usually when you do that and you buy

shit from No Mata.

I'm so glad you have that numery

because I'm going to tell you this right now,

you are someone that never needs to take ambient

in your entire life.

I don't buy a house.

Yeah, I will.

You'll buy a fucking house off eBay.

You will.

$400,000 is a great deal.

Won't even remember it, y'all.

So the other thing about the box,

I think that you're like, you're right.

The only thing was that now,

how well was this handled?

It was by Jesse.

Well, because Jesse

even if Jesse wanted to do it,

whether she didn't, she was like,

there is no way out of this for me not to look bad.

But I think Jesse seriously cares about Macy's.

Right.

Yeah, this handled really well.

And I believe the thing,

which she says, Jesse says,

now that I know how you feel,

I'm not going to go and, and Macy's like,

but no, I feel bad.

And she's like, but no, no, no.

I did not know.

You felt that way because probably

Macy did not communicate that what

I was going to say,

I'm just going to keep it in.

And we saw, and we see the way that she communicates

with you're being annoying.

It's really fascinating that Macy is,

like you said, one of the best communicators

with most of the other girls about their lives.

But when it's personal to her,

it's really hard with her husband.

It's difficult.

Yeah, yeah.

I think that's more common.

Yeah, Jesse is the same way.

Think about it.

Yeah, communicating with her husband.

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

Anyway, please.

The next thing,

I don't even know how to handle this.

I, I, I, I guess we can talk about the porch convo.

Yes.

So Dakota has decided he has to be the one to talk to her.

We talked to Jace earlier.

Yeah, I kind of had this idea of like,

he's got to be the one to do it.

He's got to, not the one to talk to.

He's got to be on the set space and break this,

break this boundary or set the boundary or whatever.

Yeah.

And he says it's like, I've always wished I could be with her,

but I know how much pain she's in and I need to let this go.

And he starts saying, so I need to talk to co-parenting

and how we can move forward and how we can help each other and be on the same team.

I'm like, this is a good start.

Here we go.

And Taylor says we need to swallow the pill.

I haven't done it yet or you haven't done it yet and neither have I.

And he's like,

I mean, he says, can we help each other?

Yes.

And so it's all good.

And she said, I confuse myself because I care about you.

I love you, but I can never be with you without worrying what else you're doing.

And I thought, and I thought, okay, this is good.

And then he said, but you're the one making that decision

and blames her.

And of course, he's like, I know I am,

but I feel like I've had no choice after all the other girls and the lies.

Which is, he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

If he's saying earlier, if he's saying to Connor, I would end it if I didn't have a kid.

But now he's saying, I would be with you if you didn't fuck this up.

Yep.

Yep.

So which one is it Dakota?

Well, he's saying I would be with you if you wanted me.

I think what he's saying.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Yeah, so, but you just said you wouldn't want to be with her.

Right.

Right, right, right.

So you're lying.

And he's like, but I still chose you and I still would.

This is so unhelpful.

This is just so, and I, and I think he's trying to be the one that wins, unfortunately.

He's trying to be the one of it in a minute.

When she said, so you would choose me if you knew that I was texting your best friends

husband, and that's when I thought we're dad's best friend.

And he just kind of like, oh, he said, I would get over it.

That's too different.

No, you wouldn't.

Yeah, you wouldn't.

And Taylor's like, stop talking.

And that's where she starts screaming.

She starts talking really fast and saying, don't talk.

Blah blah.

You're a liar.

You're a liar.

You're a liar.

You're a liar.

You're a liar.

You're a liar.

No.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay, love is blind UK.

Love is blind.

You're a liar.

You're a liar.

And yeah, so now it's just just devolving.

It's over.

It's over.

More screaming.

And she's like, the point is you don't listen.

You never listen.

She's like, I need, and then she goes, this is always what happens.

then Taylor screams and then she feels shame and then she goes in on herself and says,

yes, I need to figure out why I keep choosing people that hurt me and now she's sobbing.

Yes. And the person I wanted to be with doesn't fucking listen.

And she's like, you're not a good guy to get because I'm so shitty. I'm so shitty and you're so innocent.

Oh, just listen. All I wanted is to feel heard. It hurts if the person I wanted to be with doesn't

listen. And what they need to do, again, they need to go back to couples therapy.

It was actually Taylor that did the first misstep in this is when she said,

when she brought up, but I can't be with you because I don't know who you're going to be with

or I can't trust you. That was where it's once we've got to let all that go because the

resolution is not going to come. And now it's like, how do we be co-parents? And that is you put

all that emotion and resentment and sadness and you put it in a box because you chose to have

sex without protection and therefore you chose to have a child. Yeah. That's it. And I think also

it should be I can't be with you period, not because of all that other stuff. No, because just

I can't be with you. Yeah. Period. Period. Yeah. Period. You don't need. Yeah. Yeah. Because that then

he got reactive. Yeah. Yeah. It actually started out quite good. It did. We had a good beginning

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