The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Dave Asprey on Biohacking, Longevity & Beating Brain Fog

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So if you have been listening to this podcast,

you know that I have been trying to find someone that will like

genuinely talk to me about biohacking.

Biohacking, I guess, is like somehow you

hack into your system and you make yourself super healthy

and you, your mind is clear.

And I'm at that point in my life where I do forget people's names.

In my mind, I feel like it's not clear half the time.

I mean, literally just happened before I started this podcast today.

So I've been looking for someone and we've had a few people on

and they have told me nothing.

So I have pulled out the longevity expert.

He is the founder of Bulletproof Coffee, the Bulletproof Diet,

the creator of the biohacking movement.

And I'm so pleased to say that we have Dave Aspery with us today.

Thank you so much for joining.

You are so welcome.

What an intro.

And people don't usually realize I used to weigh 300 pounds.

And I have shocked by it.

Yeah.

And it doesn't make any sense as a former computer hacker.

I would have never imagined I'd be in trouble with my shirt off.

Like, like, these are not the same universe.

I was like the fat guy from Jurassic Park one, the computer hacker.

Like, I don't know.

But the idea of biohacking is that your body listens to signals all the time

that you don't pay attention to, like a little puff of wind

or the color of the light or what time you aid or temperature

and magnetism and all sorts of things that are they're there.

But we don't pay attention to them because we're our conscious brains

are focused on what we're going to say.

So the definition is it's the art and science

of changing the environment around you and inside of you

see how you have control of your state.

It means if you want to be healthy, be healthy.

You want to live to 180 or longer like me.

Okay.

You want to get swollen.

Okay.

Do that.

Whatever it is.

You know, you want to not deal with pyramids

as the way your mom did.

Let's do that.

You don't want to be a 46-inch waist the way I was.

Let's say like all of this.

You get to pick your state.

And then we're going to do this weird thing.

We're only going to do it works and we're going to measure it.

So if you believe like I did that being a vegan

is going to make me lose weight and be healthy.

Well, you look at the data.

I did this way and I shattered three teeth

and gave myself out of immune conditions like everyone else.

She goes on to being a diet.

You don't get healthier.

You get sicker.

So like what would happen if we just did what worked?

That's all I wanted.

I heard you talking about women eating salads

and you were like you have a woman to eat a steak

and suddenly she's not cold all the time.

And I'm like oh my gosh, I'm cold all the time.

And I was like how do I even know?

Because we are not it is not natural.

There's not a lot of information out there saying

this is what you should eat because obviously people are

marketing what they want us to eat.

And when I hear you talk I'm like this sounds amazing

but I don't know how to feel to connect with my body in that way

and know what that means.

Why I can't think of somebody's name

when I see them at the grocery store.

Well, the first thing that understands you have control.

If it's just random or it's just getting old

then you're screwed.

There's no pads, right?

That's but that's I had come to accept that

until I started looking at what you were saying.

And I'm like oh my gosh, do I actually have a choice in this?

Oh, you have a big choice.

And that's why biohacking is now a $36 billion

industry started with a blog post

and the biohacking conference is we're now in our 13th year

5,000 people, Steve Aoki is playing at the biohacking conference

and is started with 100 people in a bar in San Francisco

to meet like hey, how can we take over our biology?

And so people can come and join in Austin.

It's biohackingconference.com

and it's it's amazing so you can come and you can look at this

but the first thing you got to pick a goal.

Like is you want to fix your brain fog first or your energy first?

So I don't have to pick one permanently.

I can get both.

I just have to start someplace.

You got to start someplace and this is the problem.

What does healthy even mean?

Everyone listening to this.

It means a whole bunch of different things to different people.

So what I finally started doing with my AI

longevity clinics around the country.

It's called upgrade labs.

We have a survey that people take and we use AI to score it

because it's like okay, do you want to live a long time

or do you want to look really good?

Like well, actually I want both.

Like which one's important?

We're going to help you find what's the most important thing for you right now

and then what is the easiest way to get there?

So I find I'm interested in this because I think that it's not just that we are

eating the wrong things.

I believe that we have been tricked into believing that there's a magic pill for everything

and that we whether it's that we're sad or that we're overweight

or that are we have high cholesterol.

There's it's we are very overmedicated.

And the the thing that I am interested when it comes to biohacking

is that it seems like you're not pushing a lot of medication.

I hate to tell you any means necessary.

I don't care if we need to glue computers to your head.

I'm actually at my company 40 years is in where we do that because it's fast

of the meditating.

I don't care if we need to learn a meditation technique from the 13th

sensory written in Sanskrit and I've done that too right.

It's all on the table.

I just want you to get results that are safe and effective.

And the problem is big pharma lies.

They lie repeatedly and they've been fine.

Something like a hundred billion dollars over the years for just lying.

They knew it didn't work.

They knew it had side effects and they put it out there anyway.

And it's much bigger than what big tobacco did when they have

doctors smoking Marlboro's.

What? Now so that's why we don't trust big pharma.

But I will tell you there's at least 10 pharmaceuticals

that can do things for longevity right now that no

a no herbal and no lifestyle thing can do.

Right. So I'm not opposed to them.

I just want truth.

And if I don't have good science,

I'm going to shy away from the pharmaceuticals if I can do it naturally.

And some natural compounds aren't safe either.

Like kale. Gross. That stuff is bad for you.

It is. What are you talking about?

I thought we were supposed to eat kale all the time.

No, that's only a form of self-loathing is kale.

Thank goodness. I thought that's the best news I've heard.

Kale is high in a compound called oxalate that causes 70% of kidney stones.

And it's also the number one plant on the planet for soaking up a toxic metal

called valium that is damaged to your nervous system.

It's a garbage plant for cleaning up toxic soil.

And it's nice to put around the salad to make it look bigger.

Like pizza hut used to do way back in the day.

Otherwise, kale is not food.

When I ran a regenerative farm,

my pigs wouldn't even eat the kale unless there was no other food.

Oh my gosh.

It's not.

No, stop.

Okay.

It's marregula.

Regula is good.

Kale's bad.

But no one tells you that stuff.

But that is so hard.

See, this is the part where the average person is like,

how do I how do I find this out?

And so you have the biohacking conference,

which is in Austin.

When is that that is May 27th through 29th?

So that's coming up.

So this is good.

If you're listening, then you can you can go there and you can find out how to do this.

But if you are just starting out,

when you I mean, I think a lot of people feel like they're just drained.

They're tired.

They're exhausted.

The majority of moms that I talk to would say,

I just don't have the energy.

And we chalk it up to we don't have the energy because we're up all night

with kids and where, you know, you work all day and you come home

and you're managing other people's meals and you're eating crap

as you get people to bed and out the door in the mornings.

And we're just exhausted.

But how do we start where do we start with that?

How do we know where what the exhaustion is coming from?

Well, there's your first goal.

Instead of I want to be healthy, which doesn't mean things say,

I want my energy back, right?

Okay.

And do I energy back in six months or do you want it back right now?

I want it back now.

Okay.

Great.

So let's start with some short term strategies,

which is going to give you your energy and then you put the energy into things

that make it long term sustainable, right?

So here's what you can do tomorrow if you're waking up feeling tired.

You wake up and instead of drinking whatever you drink in the morning,

you drink a two and a half a teaspoon and a teaspoon of sea salt

or some electrolytes that contain a meaningful amount of sodium

and you drink a big glass of water with that in it.

And then you drink some coffee and may I plug Danger Coffee,

which is mold-free with a ton of therapeutic trace minerals in it.

But have some really good coffee without mold.

And then have that and then have some creating.

This is just we just had somebody on who was talking about mold being in our coffee.

And now it's like one of those things where if you hear it three times,

you have to take it seriously because I was like, this is not a thing.

I'm the guy who taught the world about molding coffee.

My last company, Bulletproof is probably in your store.

I have nothing to do with Bulletproof anymore.

My latest standard is like, I invented mold-free coffee as a category.

So yeah, DangerCoffee.com and mold is in coffee and I published 36 studies on it in my book.

And still, Joe Rogan's like, I think Dave is a little misleading

because he had an investment in a competing company.

So you're like, all right, here's the deal.

Most governments in the world have mold standards for coffee,

but the US doesn't.

And so the president of the Coffee Association,

I have him on camera saying this.

He goes, oh, I was in Japan.

They rejected a thousand shipping containers of beans.

He goes, what would you do with him?

Oh, yeah, we send him to the US where it's legal.

So if you're drinking crap coffee, maybe with a big green label in the morning.

And then an hour or two later, if you feel jittery and tired,

you want more sugar and a snack?

Dude, it's not the coffee.

It's the mold in the coffee.

No, what?

You know what?

Or you could skip some coffee, but then you'll have a bad morning.

So let's not do that.

No, right.

I cannot do it.

That is not an option.

So I did actually just order mold-free coffee.

And I was not a believer.

I'm like, how much different could it be?

I mean, it even tastes different.

I'll send you some danger coffee.

Because there's a lot of people who try to make mold-free coffee

and we could get tugged science for a while,

but truly testing for mold is harder than you think,

because there's something called masking.

But getting the flavor down is another thing,

but you feel different, right?

Totally.

Oh my gosh, completely.

It's like night and day.

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So I also saw something where you said a good way to,

and maybe I'm getting this wrong,

a good way to get your energy up

is to go outside in the morning.

And you were, I thought it was like 20 minutes

and I thought, how could I possibly

spend 20 minutes outside in the morning?

But am I wrong about that?

Are you telling us to go outside?

You have to go outside.

You have to wear a bikini, even if it's snowing.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

If you're not doing it right, you're doing it wrong.

No, you don't have to do that.

So here's a kill.

You will benefit from 20 minutes in the morning, right?

What are you to brush your teeth outside?

Well, you're like, no, it doesn't work for most people.

But five minutes can work

because there's probably something that takes five minutes

that you could do with your outside

and take off your sunglasses while you do it.

And doing that, if you just say,

have that salty water, which is electrolytes

to get energy in the morning,

have your danger coffee and then take 10 grams of creatine

and you can drink that coffee while you're outside

with the creatine in it because it'll work better.

And what does that do?

Creatine causes your brain to make more energy.

But when you put it in the danger coffee,

it dissolves in a certain way

so that it goes into the brain better

than if you just mixed it into a smoothie.

So creatine is incredibly potent

for making more electricity.

Because if you're tired all the time,

it would make sense that the battery in your phone

is below 20% so everything slows down.

That's just you.

So creatine, electrolytes, danger coffee in the morning

and then get your five minutes of sunlight

with no contacts, no sunglasses.

And that's a signal to your body

that it's time to wake up.

And if you do those things tomorrow morning,

it'll be amazing, like a completely different day.

You won't want sugar in the danger coffee

because it just doesn't need it.

Your body knows.

You're craving the sugar in the coffee

because the coffee's bad.

So why no sunglasses?

I've actually heard something about like your eyeballs

actually need sunlight.

It's true.

So about, geez, 12 years ago now,

I started a company called TrueDark

that makes circadian glasses that filter out light

to tell your body what time it is.

So 5% of the cells in your eyes,

they're not seeing what you see.

They're only measuring the color and brightness of the light

so they can tell your brain,

hey, is it time to go to sleep or time to do some stuff?

So if they never see bright light in the morning,

they, it's like, I guess it's still time to sleep.

We don't really know what's going on.

So you get less energy.

So that bright light in the morning

aligns the timing signal.

So now all of your body is like,

hey, let's make energy now.

And that also strangely means you'll sleep better at night.

And if you have kids, do it with your kids

to make them go outside for five minutes

and they'll sleep better.

And if your kids sleep better, you sleep better.

I've got two teenagers.

We know what that's like.

Yes, yes, I have teenagers too.

And they're, there is, that is a whole nother realm

of I was actually talking to somebody about this this morning.

I'm like, people who have their kids

when they are toward their 50s,

I don't know how last night my dog was a, and this never happens,

but I had this tiny dog and he was a barking all night.

And I thought, if they were up all night, still,

I could not handle it.

My body cannot recover like it used to.

That's totally a lie, Tudor.

That's not, but I'm obviously causing this recovery like it used to,

but it can and it does.

And I'm promising if I can do this as a 300 pounds computer hacker

with chronic fatigue syndrome in my 20s, seriously,

you can have more energy next year than you did when you were 30.

So that is actually the only reason I believe you,

because I would not believe you if you look like this your whole life.

I just want to be clear because five or 30 years old,

who've never been fat, telling people they can eat a Snickers bar and a Diet Coke,

I would choke them if they were here except I'm full of peace.

So I know I give him kale.

But you look, you look very naturally healthy.

It's insane.

Like literally, if anyone on Earth has no right to look like this,

it's me.

And I, it's sometimes I just, I look at the mirror and I'm like, what is up?

All right, I'm going to do the, the duchy thing you're not supposed to do on this,

but look at my abs, okay?

And I'm, I just got back from the gym, but like, I saw stretch marks.

You can see stretch marks, but like I have veins like, how can I be thinking?

But you only work out 20 minutes a week.

Uh-huh, a hundred percent.

This is, okay, I do not, I can't understand.

A year of that, that big podcast, Stephen interviewed me and he wouldn't publish

interviews.

He didn't think it was possible.

I also think his largest sponsor was vegan.

That might have been it, but you know, okay.

So I am super impressed because I do feel like there is a point when you're in that

parry, menopause, menopause stage where things are changing inside of you.

And there is not a guideline.

I, I mean, I've talked about this for many different parts of a woman's life,

especially you go through pregnancy.

There's a getting back on track that you need to do, but there's no real guide.

There's no markers.

There's no understanding of that.

And then I hear people talk about peptides and oxalate-free diets and all of these things,

but I have no idea what it means.

I want to know that's why I'm talking to you.

You know, I don't think you really want to know.

I do want to know.

I do.

Are you thinking that I'm not committed?

I am not committed.

I'm trying to figure out how to be committed.

You want to know what to do to get results.

You actually don't want to know what an oxalate is.

Am I wrong?

I don't know.

Well, now I'm freaked out.

I feel like you're going to tell me it's something horrible.

No.

I'll tell you what an oxalate is, but here's the thing.

Where are the unique time in history?

So if you had to go back 20 years or even 10 years, you were going to have to hire me

and people do.

I have a longevity, like advanced life extension program for VIPs.

And people spend six figures a year to work with me and a team on managing all of their

stuff.

And that's called unlimited stuff.

So only rich people can do this.

Well, no.

Done.

This is, well, this is a very, very deep program.

And a lot of people say it's for rich people.

However, right now, thank you, AI, you can do almost all of this by

yourself.

And you can literally go to your favorite AI, but I don't use chat GPT because number one

doesn't work very well.

Number two, it's a narcissist.

Number three, it's now spying for the government.

So go to Claude because it's better.

Okay.

So go to Claude and say, hey, what would Dave Asprey do?

You can literally ask it that.

And Claude stole every author's books on the planet, including downloading some of

the illegally and just signed a legal settlement with like hundreds of thousands of authors

for doing it.

So all my books are in there.

And you could go to my websites and I have all my books and all of my talks and everything

else, but it doesn't like the pick one, right?

So go out there and say, my goal is to do this.

Use Dave Asprey's biohacking techniques.

And tell me what's most likely to work for my biology.

Here's what I know.

And now you don't have to know what an oxalate is.

You can go to DaveAsprey.com.

I have a low-ox challenge.

And I'll teach you how to avoid them in what they are.

But here's the thing.

It's faster and faster to just know what to do.

And then you learn what you want.

But now I really want to know what they are.

OK.

Here's what they are.

Oxalates are plant-defense compounds.

It turns out plants hate it when you eat them and when you eat their babies.

It would make sense because then they wouldn't reproduce.

Right.

So how do they stop us?

They can't run away because they have roots.

So they make toxins where if you eat too many of the plant, it'll poison you and poison

your babies.

So then some of you will die and then they can live.

This is the balance of nature.

It's called an ecosystem, right?

This is a very common plant toxin, very high in spinach, which is one of the worst, and

kale, and sadly potatoes and the worst of all whole grains.

Whole wheat has a ton of it, white flour has almost none of it.

That's why they make white flour.

Brown rice, not so good, white rice, very low in toxin.

This is why throughout all of history, we've thrown away part of the food because it's

not very edible unless there's a famine.

And when you eat this, it goes into your body.

It finds calcium, and it forms razor, sharp, microscopic calcium crystals that are tied

to gout, 70% of kidney stones, arthritis, brain dysfunction, Alzheimer's autism, skin

problems.

So pretty much most nuts, but not all, most seeds, but not all, in all grains, unless you

throw away the outside, if you're eating those along with a bunch of these superfoods

that are mostly high in it, you're getting five times better.

Sometimes the dose that your body can handle every day, and it's affecting fertility, and

that muscle pain you wake up with, and the brain fog, and the little styes that you get

in your eyes.

All of these things can be explained by razor, sharp calcium crystals.

So I'm not saying that this is a cause of everything.

I'm just saying if you don't know about it, and you're having a big old spinach kale almond

milk, almonds are particularly bad, smoothie every morning, thinking you're healthy, and

the walk around going, what does my skin look like crap?

And my joints hurt.

Oh, and I get UTIs all the time, because something's cutting my urethra, maybe you should

step away from the freaking vegan food and eat the way your great, great, great grandmother

did when she wanted to be fertile.

She ate steak and eggs.

But she liked potatoes too, no potatoes.

If you have some potatoes, and you're eating enough steak and eggs, you'll be fine.

But if you're trying to eat potatoes and almonds, and like this long list of these weird

California superfoods that no one ate until the California Farmers Association started

marketing this in the 70s, dude, great nuts.

I wouldn't feed that to my chickens.

Literally.

I have, I have in the last probably 20 years felt like if I was drinking something that

was a horrible color and didn't taste great, that it was healthy.

Yep.

I have been down that path too, and I just measure results, and I have taught millions

of people of nine best selling books, everything from meditation down to what to eat and longevity

and brain function, because I had all the problems myself.

But does this mean like really weird eating raw things, or you have to eat, or you can't

have butter, or you can't have flavor?

Just raw liver, nothing else.

Gross.

No.

It's got it.

I have a cookbook.

I have a Michelin Sarshav who works for 40 years, I said, I'm into food.

But here's the thing.

You eat your animal based proteins first, because you need enough protein, and a lot

of women who are tired, they're not eating enough animal protein, and they're not eating

enough calories.

And if you want to be tired all the time, calories measure energy.

So if you're eating salads, it's just a huge number of women.

They eat more calories, and suddenly they lose weight, and like, how is that possible?

Because now your body feels safe enough to put on muscle.

A friend who was a vegetarian and kind of semi vegan, finally just threw up her hands

and said, fine, I'll eat steak.

And so she started eating, oh, one gram of animal protein per pound of body weight, the

way I recommend.

Within six weeks, she lost six pounds of fat and gained six pounds of muscle without

changing her workout, just from getting enough calories, and just from getting enough protein.

So women in particular need to eat steak.

And if you're worried about this, if you're on a date and you're picking at some dumb

little salad with spinach in your teeth, for guys, a woman eating a rib eye is really

sexy, and a woman eating salad gross, we don't even want this, we don't eat the salad

either.

So just.

Gosh, so salad is a dating turn off?

Are you kidding?

Gross.

Yeah.

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So I will tell you a story that one time this is not a dating story, but I was in, so I

used to work in manufacturing and it's like totally a dude's world, right?

So there was this one guy and he was probably 30 years older than me and we went to dinner

with a group of people and I ordered the steak, but it came as like two and they were

bit and they were, I feel like they were stuffed with something too big for me to eat.

So I ate one and then I, and then I was traveling, so it was like, should I take it?

That's weird because I'm going back to hotel, but I felt like I had to, so then I did

and the guy just reamed me in front of all of these other men.

And he was like, this is why you don't take a woman to dinner because she can't finish

a steak.

How embarrassing that she can't finish a steak?

So we were never going to date, but that was not a turn on to him that I ordered a steak.

He was probably a guy though who looked like he could eat 12 steaks.

He could.

Yeah.

Yes.

So here's the deal.

There are always douchebags.

There are and that's, that is a fact, no matter where you are or how well you eat.

Yeah.

I just ordered the one pound steak, but it, it's just give yourself permission to eat

enough protein, protein first, and then have some veggies if you feel cold.

And then after that, have some white rice is the best carb or some potatoes.

If you're not loading up with these other higher toxins, super foods all the time, and

be happy.

Right.

What about salt?

Am I allowed to salt my food?

Salt your food as much as your body wants.

And it is life changing.

And people get really offended at this, but salt, high blood pressure.

That science is mostly based on a survey where they asked 40,000 people.

How much salt do you think you had in the last couple of days?

And they just made up a number.

So the president of the high blood pressure society, who's a medical doctor with years

of experience said, I'm just going to measure sodium in 3,000 people for three years.

And he's trying to prove salt raises high blood pressure into the study.

He says, this is Michael Alderman's his name.

He says, if you want to live longer, eat more salt.

Salt allows electrons electricity to move around inside the body.

And if you're tired right now, have some salt and water, have some creatine, have some

major coffee, and then have a steak or some animal protein.

And your entire day will change.

You won't yell at your kids.

You won't get brain fog.

You won't have the cravings.

You won't be hypoglybitchy because the protein just completely makes that work.

And life is better, like it's actually better.

So I did see that you said that this would make you less likely to have those moments where

you yell at your kids.

And I know people will say, I never, I never yell at my kids, but you know that moment

where they do something and you go, why did I yell about that?

It's not because you're a bad person.

It's because you didn't have enough energy in your brain to regulate your response.

You couldn't catch it because your brain was like on a dimmer switch.

So no one's mean to their spouse.

No one's mean to their kids on purpose, unless you're maybe a narcissist, but why are you

doing it?

Because you couldn't help yourself because you were low on energy.

And I measure brain waves on executives and high performers.

People come and spend five days upgrading their brain at 40 years of zen.

I'm actually at our facility right now in Austin.

And I have measured this for more than a decade.

And the most powerful people on earth, when we act like jerks, it's because we couldn't

help ourselves.

And when you up the energy and you up the level of presence or training or awareness,

then you don't yell at your kids very much.

But I've yelled at my kids, right?

I think I have great kids, right?

I apologize when I was done yelling at some point afterwards, right?

So you're human and no human is at full energy all the time, but when you're at full

energy, you won't yell at your kids.

Okay.

So before I let you go, I have to ask you about nicotine because I cannot wrap my mind

around this.

Our whole lives we've been told nicotine is so bad.

And then I see you saying you need to, you should have a little nicotine.

And I'm like, what does that, what does that mean?

Like you go out and have a smoke in the morning?

What is this?

Okay.

I have never smoked.

I have never advocated for smoking or even tobacco.

There's a large body of evidence that a small amount of pharmaceutical nicotine, not smoking,

has health benefits.

And I'll tell you tomorrow morning, if you really haven't brain fog, do all this stuff

I just said and add two or three milligrams of nicotine oral nicotine.

How do you do that?

They have little pouches, they have a spray, they have gum, they have lozenges, and you

could even put a patch on if you wanted to.

We're talking a cigarette might have 20 milligrams.

We're talking 10% of a cigarette's worth without ever smoking.

And we're not going to be walking around with a dip cup and like my lips sticking out.

No, no, it, I mean, if, if you're into that, but that's not tobacco, cancel risk.

So this low dose nicotine, neuroprotective, it actually is the most studied cognitive enhancing

natural compound, along with caffeine.

And really?

The reduction of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's comes from Vanderbilt University in 1986.

I interviewed the researcher on, on my show on the human upgrade.

And he's like, yeah, we notice smokers get cancer, but they don't get Alzheimer's and

Parkinson's.

There must be something good in there.

It turns out the good is the nicotine, the bad is the smoke.

And I'm not saying you need to pound nicotine all day long, but there's a very strong case,

especially starting around age 40 for doing up to five milligrams of nicotine a day.

And a lot of those little, um, little zins and things like that are more than five milligrams.

So you'd use it for a brief period of time or by the lowest dose and use it before a big

meeting.

Interesting.

And the focus is insane.

I started on one milligram a day, 15 years ago and been talking about it ever since, including

for neuroprotection.

Because if you want to live to, you know, hundreds of years, you might want a working

brain and low dose nicotine is part of it.

But do you get addicted to that?

And five milligrams a day, the addiction is about the same as coffee.

It goes away in three days.

It's not a big deal.

If you go above five milligrams a day on a regular basis, you become addicted and you

need to taper down, but it's not like smoking addiction.

And by the way, vaping is terrible.

Don't fade.

Don't smoke.

Okay.

So there are other ways to get it and that will help.

Is it like, I mean, it's a stimulant.

So I, so I know so many people who are taking Adderall and I just think that is so dangerous

because I've seen a lot of people become really addicted to that.

Adderall is bad news.

So instead of Adderall, there's a drug that was invented for narcolepsy called Modaphanel.

And I've been on ABC Nightline.

They call it the limitless drug and I mean, only guy saying, yeah, I took that to get

through business school and I did have a bag on my head because I'm happy to talk about

what I do.

So I've been taking the lowest dose of that.

It's not even a stimulant.

It's a cognitive enhancing drug for about 25 years.

So yeah, you can take things that are better than Adderall that make your brain work incredibly

well.

Nicotine is one of them.

Modaphanel is a prescription drug that's another danger coffee is a third thing.

These are Mother Nature's original Neutropics, the coffee in the nicotine anyway.

Hmm.

So interesting.

Okay.

So if people want to learn more, they can go to this conference.

It's the beyond biohacking conference.

This is, you said it's May 27th through the 29th.

Correct.

And just go to biohackingconference.com and I've heard there's a code that they can use

to get $400 off if they, if they use the code tutor 400 is that true?

That is true.

Code tutor 400 to get a discount and you will meet people who are totally curious, totally

interested and just willing to say, I want to be more than healthy.

I want to do something beyond.

So is it, are they going there and they're listening to lectures or is this interactive?

Just give us a little idea of what they'll see.

Interactive.

So there's a huge community there, like everyone is friendly.

Steve Eoki is playing for the party and it's actually a themed party.

This year it's spirit animal.

Last year it was 80s, right?

So people, thousands of people showed up for like a major DJ and we're just having fun.

The inventors for hundreds of biohacking devices and supplements, they're there.

They're giving talks, but they're also there.

So it's like an adult playground.

You get to go in and like try the thing for your brain.

Try the thing, all of the technology for biohacking for longevity.

So if you want to be smarter, faster, live longer, this is probably the place to be.

And we'll find truly mold-free coffee there.

There will be danger coffee on an unlimited basis for you.

Amazing.

All right.

So you're convincing me, because I really, I'm telling you, I'm not kidding when I say,

I've been trying to figure out exactly what this is and it does seem hard.

So now I'm going to check out AI and I'm going to learn everything about you.

So I'll be somewhat of a stalker, but you won't know because you don't know what I'm doing

on AI, which is the great thing.

I can like privately stalk you.

Definitely.

Also, good Instagram, Dave.aspery.

I post a lot about just the latest stuff.

Yes.

This is where I watched a lot of your videos.

Cool.

Awesome.

Thank you so much.

Dave Aspery, it's been great talking to you and I am so impressed with what you're

doing.

Thanks, Tudor.

Yeah.

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