The Twilight Zone - Issue #4 - False Bottom

0:30In a world where there is no new Twilight Zone on television, we look to other media to fill our needs in the fifth dimension and tonight we go back to the printed page with the IDW comic The Twilight Zone and it's good to welcome back my old friend and podcast comic book reader and all around great guy my friend Zach Moore Zach welcome back thanks for that introduction Tom happy to be back talking Twilight Zone comic books with you Zach it seems we might have bitten off a little more than we can chew because I was under the impression that this was a five issue run I don't know whether I imagined that or I dreamt it I had the number five in my head for some reason but actually I think this thing keeps running and running I know there's like at least five issues out now and a six issues advertised I think

1:33there's advocates out there maybe even up to number eight so I think we might have a bit of a job on our hands it's like when you start a podcast about a show that runs five years and you turn around and it's 15 years later and you're still doing this show no to your point I believe the last page of the first issue listed off five issues to kind of you know advertise and get you hyped up for what to expect and we all interpreted that as oh these are the five issues of the Twilight Zone comic book maybe that was the intention maybe it's doing really well on sales I'm not sure but it's going beyond five and you're the captain of the ship here sir so if you give me a call and say we're gonna keep doing these every now and then I'll be here if you said you know what I'm done that's fine too but yes it's going beyond the original five issue commitment we thought I mean I like the idea of a Twilight Zone comic having some legs and and running for a while that would be that would be a new thing wouldn't it yeah absolutely

2:37I think as we spoke about in the first episode the way of things seems to be that it comes out with a lot of bells and whistles and then just sadly fizzles out after a while so I don't know whether this is doing well I have no idea I don't tend to live in that world but I hope it is you know it be nice to have a nice long run of Twilight Zone comics and irrespective of what we think of stories or whatever else within the issues I just think they look really nice you know these nice black and white comics interesting covers and while I'm a bit more of a collector edition guy at the moment I'm buying the single issues and I kind of like having that collection there you know yeah I I like the the covers with a little space man on there he's like it's one of the alternate covers but he's a consistent figure on the alternate cover so that's the one I'm collecting and

3:38he's like a little invader looking space man a little taller a less chubby but you know he's always on these with with the iconography of the show of the eyeballs the doorways the spirals and so those are the ones I'm collecting and it's fun that there's that you know through lion throughout the these alternate covers you know now there's more than five we'll see if they keep that going but yeah I've been collecting the individual issues as well well we both enjoy having that collection there but I guess it's what's inside the count so should we get onto our issue for tonight yes let's get on the boat top okay so this one is called false bottom the writer artist and letterer is Nate Powell and yeah it's one of those things that we've said that we like before that these are given to a creator for the most part some of them you know have a writer and artist on them but a lot of them have like a single creator doing an issue which we both said that we enjoy

4:41and this one is no exception so we spoke especially an issue one about how they kind of need to get to the point quite quickly they have a limited amount of pages they've got to tell this story now this story starts out on a boat it's got three people on it a husband and wife and the wife's kind of near do well brother twin brother twin brother yeah yeah you're right maybe a bit of a loser in life we'll get into that a bit later on on this first page the three of them are kind of looking at this hole in the bottom of the boat and we have these three characters I'll focus on the brother and sister I should have got their names I know the brother is called chat I think it's Laura is the sister yes chat Laura and Laura's husband yeah so Laura says they're looking at this hole in the bottom of the boat and she says in the listing online I thought they were just

5:44describing a glass bottom cutout but no and then her husband says is it for fishing maybe or for diving and then chat then they do well brother says why bother we can just do those out on the deck and Laura says I think it's cool and chat you're constantly making questionable decisions because of some debt bag podcaster first thing okay here we are this is what we're doing I think maybe a page or two to kind of ease into what this was about might have been the way to go personally what about you yeah because we have this whole interaction with the or just repeat it's a reveal of what the mystical object is we don't know it we don't know that it does mystical things yet but it's like there it is there's a whole the first page home about the character motivations are being thrown back and forth through dialogue immediately before we even get to the the introduction the very short

6:46surling-esque introduction it's literally like a paragraph and a half and there's not even a hint of the I mean I didn't unless I miss something here I don't see like a cigarette or a suit or any rods surling-esque iconography around which I enjoyed in two of the last three issues they uh wove that in there so that it just kind of throws you off like like like this is I'm gonna keep saying this right you look at these comic book continuations of TV shows you want them to feel like the TV show it's a continuation of so the format should be you know a narration setting the scene a little bit of just day-in-the-life slice and then something what would bleed into the opening credits of the show then we come back into the proper story um yeah it feels like we're just kind of throwing into the story in the middle of a conversation oh oh by the way oh we should have put some narration in there they put that in there in there and then we're off to go so you you feel just kind of a little off a little off balance of what you expect from a toilet zone story off the top here like I said you know they got limited time and stuff like that but it would

7:50have been kind of like you and I getting on this call tonight and me saying hey Zach how's it going and you being like you know it would be fine-tom if you weren't drinking so much all the time you know oh hold on where did that come from you know yeah he's into that yeah well we have no we have no baseline what we're getting at is we have no baseline for these characters relationships so when you automatically throw them into chaos you don't like is this normal is it not I mean they're they're brother and sister so they're they're bickering so that's a common trope you know and then we you know I do like that there's only three characters you know something we've mentioned before especially in the uh the second issue is like there's way too many astronauts I don't know who's like we have three characters here we know exactly who they are uh what they look like what they are and through the dialogue we know exactly what their motivations are and where they're coming from with their personality traits are so there is that but you're just stretched out a little bit stretched out a little bit yeah because I think the interactions

8:53on page two and three where the the brother and the sister are kind of bickering back and forth probably would have been enough you know you didn't need their like you shouldn't be listening to that dead bag podcaster you know people say that to my listeners all the time you shouldn't be listening to that podcaster but yeah let's let's get to the narration it's a really short one and you know that's fine sometimes Rod didn't stick around and and it's always a balance in act with this isn't it how how Roddy you're going to go on it but this one really short and all could family get together with an insufferable comedian and the only two friends he has left in his world a trip to celebrate second chances complete with a detour into the twilight zone short and sweet not much to it but that's fine I can kind of forgive that like you say no no iconography they're going season one with this thing but they're going season five with the length yeah you know second he's in and out then we get a few pages of these guys just just

9:59basically hanging out and you know this is why I don't I don't feel we needed to get to like chats problem on page one because we really see it over the next few pages where they're hanging out they're drinking you see the chat is really just I think what they're getting to is he's tapped into this kind of I suppose to where there's a monosphere type of thing I don't know whether you saw that documentary with Louis Theroux on Netflix I have learned the term manosphere in recent days Tom so I know exactly what you talk about so we've we've coined that phrase now so now we know what to assign the the dude bro philosophy is the manosphere and that's what I mean chat here he's like I found my people online real guys alphas I'm like okay all right we know we know what you're all about chat here's the thing and and maybe it's a conversation to be hard early because I think the struggle that modern twilight zone has whether

11:01it's on television or whether it's on the printed page is saying something about something and a lot of the people consuming it find it to be too explicit in what it's talking about now I don't necessarily always subscribe to that to be honest I feel like it's the modern world we have different things that we want to talk about and comment on and I think it's it's okay to do that in a twilight zone context you know but at the same time I think if people are going to be turned off by this issue I hate to bring this back up from you know the Jordan peel twilight zone days but the words on the nose were spoken very often yep you should smile more and it's whether the messages are to on the nose or explicit it tends to turn a lot of

12:03people off so what do you think of this one Zach is it you know should they have been a bit more be a bit more vague about this or well I think they're using shorthand to kind of try and tell you what this guy is and it's like okay like we could have we could have spent a little more time like like seeing how you reacted to the thing just his his behavior speaks for itself I don't think we necessarily need it and by the way he listens to these good of podcasts you guys know what I'm talking about oh my yeah okay yeah I know what you're talking about but also his behavior he's he's entitled he's kind of a failure to launch right he's living in his parents basement his sister dragging him along like all those all those character traits work we don't need just immediately assign you know what his interests are and so you can infer other things about him um and that's the thing right I mean the Jordan Peele Twilight Zone is our most current on-screen Twilight Zone and I'd say you know from my perspective in episode like not all men has the same message as an episode like try try right I think those are the very good go look it up guys if

13:06you're like what episodes are those uh I think they actually are saying the same thing but the execution and in the way it's articulated could not be further apart and I like one of those a lot more than the other and I'll leave it there because we don't need to reengage in those debates now Tom but uh no but that that's what there's there are ways to get these same messages across and uh I prefer one than the other the less on the nose approaches the one I prefer because these are these are parables these are you know modern uh fables right uh examinations of the human condition all that high dialogue you can say but really this is what they are they're just morality plays right and that's that's what I get from from these stories we get to a point where they all gather around this hole in the boat you know I did like by the way when Shet like puts his arm in there and he acts like it's like eating him and stop stop right the sisters like what are you doing like we would all play the either ourselves or friend we know what absolutely

14:07do that in that situation so I enjoy that a little bit so they all gather around this hole that's in the boat and things are reaching fever pitch at this point the relationship between Laura and Chet is really bad Laura's like okay forget this uh she jumps into the hole thinking that it's it's simply just a hole that goes underneath the boat you know like a glass bottomed boat without the glass in you know or something like that I don't know and here and her husband go in and then Laura's husband kind of pops his head up again and says Chet come on you gotta come in you gotta see this so Chet jumps in as well however what Chet then experiences is different to what Laura and her husband then experience now it's here where I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to be yeah I was gonna ask you Tom so I okay we're in the same we're in the same boat no fun intended uh

15:10yeah yeah because he goes down there and he looks around and he sees his ladder and he crawls up this ladder but then he's in like nightmare shadow realm while Laura and her husband are in you know this idyllic even better version of where they were it's like the same boat but it's nicer and there's no bugs and the weather's perfect and it's like this ideal version where they were well Chet's in this like it's he's on a boat too it's the same it's like this dark mirror reflection but with all these like shadow dude bros Tom yeah earlier on somewhere in the dialogue Chet and Laura talk about being mirror images of each other you know she's even even faced with Chet's despicable behavior she wants the best for him she wants to help him out she's actually you know a good person whereas Chet just seems to be pretty despicable so like you say

16:13when Chet gets back on the boat there's all these shadowy dude bros and you know they're cooking steak and they're coming out with some of these you know phrases alphas and mid they say mid pick me you know Lord and a husband are out on their deck having a cocktail and there's a point in it where Lord's husband starts to talk about how he dislikes Chet you know what a loser Chet is and his dialogue bubbles start to go dark yeah and I'm not 100% sure to the significance of that I was wondering whether you had any ideas on it no I um let's curious what it was trying to say because it's like is he becoming one of those shadow people know because he's in this other reality like the the two sides of it are Laura and Chet and he's this extra guy is I mean I think

17:17he's really there I don't know why he's starting to sound like the other guys like I like he like she eventually is like oh my god we can't leave Chet I gotta go find him he's like wait we're in heaven here she's like heaven's overrated if he's not here and she leaves and she leaves him there in this idyllic place but the place itself it doesn't start disintegrating or anything it's just his speech bubbles have the black bubble white text which is what all the shadow dubros have and I too could not really figure out what they were trying to say with that top okay so this is my best guess I think when Chet is in the Dubro world as we've now coined it um he he says a couple of things where actually he he starts to talk about Laura and you know he wants to get back to them and they're like why you know what you want to go and see them for and they start to see him as weak and they call him a beta meet for the strong Tom they start to call him a beta and soft and so on

18:22now I think if you want to comment on that world I'm starting to think of things like Rod Sailing talking about racism he had that character of imperial me in carol for another Christmas where his point of view is that right now you're in this group and you don't like that group but if you get rid of that group then people within your group are going to find someone someone else to pick on that's just the way this works and at some point it may be you because the circle will just get smaller and smaller and when it's not color anymore it's going to be hair color or it's going to be because you were born you know at the other side of town or whatever it might be that was a recurring thing in Rod Sailing's work so I think if that's what it's saying about this Dubro world where it's like you know what you only

19:24exist in this place you only have status in this place if you tow the line you know the minute you say anything different then you're the one that they will turn on so you know you think this is freedom but it's not because basically you can't be free to have your own thoughts and feelings you've just got to go with this this messed up tribe so I think there's something to be said there you know there's a discussion to be hard if that's what it's saying I mean I don't know do you think I might be on to something there or I think you're on to something I don't know if it's what this was on to I think you're saying I think that him him showing up in this shadow dimension and then it being all dark and like obviously ominous and bad is is is not really the way you would think a story like this would unfold you think he'd probably oh this is great these and my people oh I love it here and then it slowly then he's realizes how like the dark underbelly

20:24of what it really is and oh we're gonna do that now oh we're gonna do that not like a guy who's like on the edge like yeah he has some radical ideas maybe but he's like oh I'm not that extreme but then he sees it like everybody's extreme here and like oh my god this is I'm trying to get out of here this isn't my play but they don't even there's no character journey I guess is what we're getting at that's over confused I think so in law as well you know hair husband with this dark speech bubbles is saying you know forget about chat stay here enjoy this and she is like no you know what that's not the real well that's not the way these things work yes he's difficult but we just need to work at that whereas I suppose hair husband like the dude bros is just very binary it's one thing or another and maybe that's what maybe that's part of this conversation as well because she goes back to the hot well actually she jumps back into the water and swims up to the hole at the center of the boat I think maybe a chair to runs down to the center of the boat from

21:31the dude bro boat yeah and then by the end of the issue they're kind of just looking at each other through what is now a kind of almost a mirror between them they can see each other they're both banging on the other side of it right and you know they can't get to each other and this is where the issue ends and comic book erode says pieces of a pair stuck with each other from birth even as they're pulled in different directions both mirror and shadow in perfect compliments holding each other up dragging themselves a bit further down into the twilight zone so what I'm thinking it tends to be getting out here is that we are dealing to a degree with extremes you know Laura is very good she's a social worker they established that earlier so she has a heart for yeah people who need help she's always trying to see the good

22:36in chat where as chat is you know not particularly good bit of a waste of space bit of a loser he's latching on to all these you know messed up ideologies maybe what it's saying to us is that it says in perfect compliments holding each other up the that actually you know there needs to be some they need to meet in the middle like the name of that twilight zone yeah that's a good one so I don't know that that's all I can get from this that maybe it's it's really about they both realize that they shouldn't be at the extreme end of this thing and they actually do both need each other and they need to find compromise and that's probably the best I've got well Laura says that earlier she says in every day we try again to help you out but that means you've got to meet us halfway right so that's what we're talking about a little bit also though like when he um when the when the shadow dude rose start turning on him uh this is what they tell

23:40but it's like the shadow version of a sister that tells him this which is weird it's like someone who failed your own test the easiest prey consider themselves the predator you accepted help up the ladder after all why didn't you simply pull yourself up right when he's coming out of the boat because he's made such a big deal about all he doesn't need help like a sister trying to get him a job but he got his own job and uh but of course someone offered him help and he took it so I don't I just feel like there's a lot of conflicting vague ideas here I'm not sure what it's trying to say and you know it did we're I thought we were gonna like kind of lock in and and kick it into the last climax and then it just ended I feel similar to the first issue Tom I'm like oh okay the guys on the helicopter now he's got the disease and oh it's over and this was even more abrupt or like the two characters the brother sister meet again uh on the whole in the boat but they're they can't get through the glass now or whatever Barry that is and then it just ends I'm like oh did they die like I don't it's this reality what happens to the husband like I just it feels very unresolved yeah and like there wasn't it's not like she realized that the fantasy

24:46that her and her husband was like terrible is more like I can't leave my brother behind so I don't does the husband just stay and in like that willowy world that he's in on the boat by himself forever now I don't I don't understand I read this twice Tom I really did try to understand what it was trying to tell us um there's some good ideas here some interesting imagery for sure but I don't I just couldn't connect the dots of what it was trying to ultimately say you know you just mention that it's a shadow version of his own sister who says these things to him that make him run back to the the hole in the boat to try and get back yeah so that was that was what that was right I believe so because he's like Laura like even in questions it because it's the the shadow looking person who says that is the outline of his sister or at least looks kind of like that but but maybe it's not I don't know because after that he's like Laura like that he says that after that shadow person says that so that's what I took from it well to be honest though that

25:50makes sense because if that is indeed the case it's almost like he has been railing against what Laura is all about all the way through this thing and saying no you know my way is the best I've found my alphas etc etc but then when he's confronted with a version of Laura who who is even more alpha than he thinks he is yeah who's subscribed wholesale to this whole thing it's at that point that he goes whoa hold on actually no I don't like that and actually I do need my sister as she is and a world where where all this way probably isn't a very good world after all so it would probably make sense if that's the case well there's on the opposite page of that there is a panel of Laura and and the heaven will it be world I'm gonna start calling it and it's opposite of that shadow version of her like the the framing and her face and everything

26:54with her hair so I really do think that is what it's supposed to be but against kind of it's a little too vague like I don't I don't know like I just think it's a little too vague I feel like I'm I don't know I'm a I'm I'm media literates I feel like I can pick up on things but I feel like this is just a little too vague but yeah something triggers them like both to go seek each other at the doorway again but I don't like I like the concept of you you rent a book I mean it's it's a classic horror sci-fi short story concept you rent a boat house there's a portal at the bottom of the boat house it takes you to different places based off who you are like that's interesting um but there's no like back and four they don't like go and come back or anything like they go they're in their spot then they try to meet in the middle and they can't and that's the end I don't know like I you know when we talk about these it's not like well here's what I would have done here's what I would have thought it should have been like I don't want to do that whole game but I just uh just want to understand what's happening yeah it's it's vague it's incomplete and you know as we as we wind down here I gotta say I think this is my least favorite so far

27:55Tom of the of the stories even less than the one with the broccoli monster well probably monster that one I think had such a great Twilight Zone setup and ending it was all that when they got to the weird you know well to the the rabbit monsters and all that stuff I was like that's a little strange um and not that this is a again like do these all have to be could this have been an episode in 1959 no probably not and that's not a prerequisite or anything but I don't know I guess there's a certain sense of uh casualness in this there's not a lot of Twilight zones even in the modern Twilight zones we talk about Jordan peel again the most modern one there was a sense of I don't know um of class and maturity to most of them you know um yeah veneer to it all I you know that but this is like three young people on a boat I don't know like on a summer vote like I that doesn't feel Twilight Zone to me then you get into your whole like what is Twilight Zone and you go down that rabbit hole but I don't know like

28:57across the board this just didn't really connect like visually aesthetically thematically to anything the Twilight Zone usually does like I don't know so I I felt myself just kind of lost in like I wasn't like mad at it I was just kind of confused so the least enjoyable because I would just spend most of the time trying to figure out what is what was it even trying to tell me so that that's ultimately where I where I land on it Tom well before we sum up I'm going to read a quick email from a gentleman named Dan from Australia listeners if you want to chime in on any of these please do send me an email to me to twilightzonepodcast.com and Dan says good day Tom IDW does some terrific comics based on existing IPs for me however this Twilight Zone series has been an unfortunate exception the first issue was great but I've seen diminishing returns ever since issue four continued that trend and was the least effective and enjoyable so far I think my concerns with issues two and four can be summed up with two words subtlety and storytelling

30:03whether due to the technological limitations of the past the difference in cultural context between then and now or conscious decisions by the respective writers it seems overall that entertainment is far less subtle than it used to be that speaking as a generalisation with all the problems and exceptions that come with a generalisation of course for me issues two to four come in far to heavy handed both with their concept and their storytelling as you noted in your review of issue once the spaceship lands on the alien planet we're quickly bombarded by one goofy creature or situation after another for me the relic in issue three didn't feel very much like the twilight zone a big part of that was that the issue had an epic scope with the war and the spectacle of the battle and so forth but it didn't give us a more personalized look at a character we could identify with when the original twilight zone dealt with epic events like wars it kept it

31:03intimate to by giving us compelling characters and situations as the focus such as in the purple testament this lack of salty continues its downward trend with issue four in their political discussion the two main characters came across as archetypes rather than people of substance we could really identify with or find compelling the shadow beings from the other dimension were far to ever played they came across as something off from the twilight zone but rather some middling monster of the weak fair the situation faced by the characters at the end of the story was similarly unsuttle the original twilight zone didn't use a metaphysical mechanism like that especially in such an overt fashion finally there wasn't really a twist at the end just an odd circumstance as has been discussed on your podcast before Tom there doesn't need to be a twist to make a twilight zone but it helps thank you for your podcast Tom I enjoyed so much that I've been listening to a more or less constantly and I've finally gotten up to date with the most

32:06recent episode regards Dan from Australia well thank you Dan I appreciate that and thank you for being the first ones to chime in on these um you know I think I probably like the series a little bit more than Dan but I think he makes some good points right yeah I totally agree it sounds like the first one was his favorite we definitely like the third one more than he did I just see his point though as far as like it is a different flavor than what we see on the original shows like epic battles and that sort of thing but the fact that it but did become kind of a two-hander than that whole you know maybe it's the plan of the apes of it all Tom that that that won us over on the ending but we found the the absurdity of that whole ending just somewhat you know appropriate and you know we're talking about you know text and subtext and one sort of thing like I feel like the third issue like it's saying something and he can kind of say whatever you wanted to say and that's and that's kind of the the sweet spot for these kinds of stories as opposed to like oh I

33:06know exactly what well that's the thing I actually I don't know what issue for it's saying I know exactly what the their character they want you to represent they want you to know of the characters and that's a great point to about the characters there they are archetypes because she she's a social worker and she helps people and he's just dude it lives in a basement listen to podcasts like you know even like you know characters who were like the villain or whatever right there you got to have some sort of something to grab on to that you either like about them or you can relate to about them otherwise they're just like yeah I don't I don't care that this guy got stuck in the shadow realm I find whatever he's kind of a loser anyway right you want to feel the tragedy I think I feel bad for his sister being stuck under the water is she gonna drown I don't know but like yeah like they're just two I guess like archetypal stereotypical versions of whatever these characters were supposed to be so they don't feel authentic they don't feel real and that that's a great point that he made there I mean it's rough isn't it how how should you present this stuff how should you approach this stuff it sounds like we've been pretty down on this issue but I

34:10honestly didn't hate it yeah I still generally enjoyed it I think I was just a little puzzled by and we can think these things out and try and figure them out and that's fine sometimes that's part of the thing I also understand Twilight Zone being a bit more explicit and arch in the way it is presented in a comic book because it's a different medium I don't think subtlety always plays as well in a comic book I mean it can do I've been a comic book reader for years so I've been exposed to a lot of different comics I'm not saying it can't be that but I understand being a bit more explicit in things in a comic book format and that's going to play differently to to pretty much everyone who picks it up I suppose so I don't know I don't know I mean

35:10if I was to rank the issue so far I would go issue three in first place issue one in second place I would put this in first place and then I would put issue two at last place what about you yeah I am very similar I would go three one two four this one would be last and I don't I don't hate this I'm not gonna go burn my coffee of it or anything like that look I like that the idea of there being like a portal at the bottom of a boat that takes you to a like a different reality I find that interesting that's a that's a unique fun concept and I wish they would have done more with it instead of just just leaving us confused as we were top okay so we will leave it there I think as this series progresses we will probably return to it every now and again we're not going to go day in date I mean at this point of recording with three issues behind

36:10anyway but that's okay you know we will we will just head back to it every now and again you know sometimes me and you Zach will maybe get Alan back on down the line and things but um um but yeah it's it's still nice to have some new Twilight Zone stuff to talk about and I'm enjoying the effort that people are putting in to find that Twilight Zone voice that's as much part of me enjoying it as anything so yeah I'm enjoying this quite a bit yeah we still have our contractually obligated issue number five we have to cover Tom so we're not we're not quite done yet with our initial run here right no not at all not at all okay Zach so I hope you'll join me again for issue number five next time and why don't you let people know what you're up to in the podcast and realm and where they can find you yes I'm happy to be here on the Twilight Zone podcast whenever you ask Tom so I will be back for issue five despite me not liking issue four

37:11that's a thing right about episodic episodic comics episodic TV you never know what the next installment is going to bring and uh yes you can find me and my podcast always hold on to small ville on social media at always mall the with the one s we talk about the young Superman show from the early 2000s and uh I have finished covering every single episode and now we're just having fun we're doing rankings we're eventually we're gonna talk about speaking of comic books there's some small comic books we're gonna talk about there's some novels so it is a very different speed as we're encountering here covering a comic book versus covering an episode of a TV show totally different approach so uh looking for I am looking forward to doing uh that as well it and much like the Twilight Zone Tom there are smallville comics that came out when smallville was on the air and there are smallville comics that came out after so the I always you know I know we've talked about this with our fans there's something about talking about the uh the time material that came out around the time with the actual thing has such a unique different flavor than the whole

38:15all right it's 20 years later we're looking back at this this amazing thing you know it's totally different energy and so I'm glad that those flavors exist so anyway all that to say uh look me up at always mallville with one s out there on the internet now Zach you've been part of this podcast for longer than I can remember now to be honest I can't remember the first thing we did you know it's been a lot whether it's here or in the after hours club there's been a lot of times that you've jumped on board and I've often referred to you as the fifth beetle of the Twilight Zone podcast and you have attended sailing fest with me a couple of times in the past yes and I am attending sailing fest this August you plan on joining me I plan on joining you Tom when you were at surling fest I am at surling fest that's how I approach it so we've had a couple of great times there uh meaning meeting and then meeting again and hang out with our new friends we made over the over the starling fest years and over the airwaves year uh so as you said and I've said

39:17many times over the course of uh talking about sterling fest uh the event itself is great but the the icing on the cake the cherry on top all that is getting just a to hang out all together I found my people you alphas you know listen to that podcast my basement there you go so no I uh definitely looking forward to coming back to third to sterling fest for a third time and hanging out with you and everybody Tom excellent I cannot wait I cannot wait so uh everyone check out the last episodes where I talk about sailing fest this year uh the excitement is only going to build in the next few months and uh go to rodsailing.com to get your tickets and then you can come and hang out with me and Zach and uh have a great time so Zach thank you for joining me absolutely Tom thanks for and we will catch you next time here on the twilight zone podcast bye for now

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