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Today in the Grave Talks, Ghost of Graffba,

a conversation with Wayne Sedan.

As a child, Annie, and every relationship is important.

Once in a while, we truly find a connection with a loved one that we don't necessarily

share with others.

That was a situation for Wayne Sedan and his grandfather.

Unfortunately, at a very young age, his grandfather would lose his life in a tragic shipping accident.

However, the report of his death would not be the last time Wayne would hear a new story

about his grandfather.

He'd soon find that the caring, gentle person he knew in life was the same in death, and

he was still hanging around the family home.

This is only the beginning of his haunting story today on the Grave Talks.

My first memory of the paranormal was roughly when I was around five, six years old.

My granddad was killed.

He was a foreman of a shipyard in the town we lived, and he was killed by the ship building

material when it all collapsed in on him.

Oh, wow.

He died at the scene, and shortly after, I was, I can only describe a shadow person was

in my bedroom, and I could clearly see from the outline that it was my granddad.

My granddad had had quite large ears and quite a distinct nose, and I instinctively knew

that it was him.

I had a bond with my granddad that I didn't have with any other members of my family.

He taught me to read before I even started school.

So there was this bond there, and when I mentioned it to my parents, my parents had turned

around and say, but that's because you miss him so much that your brain is telling you

he is there.

But this went on for six months, and every night I would see him there.

And he would be just standing at the bottom of my bed.

Sometimes he would sit down at the end of the bed, and then after half an hour or so,

as far as I can remember, he would then just vanish, and that would be it.

And my parents or my mum sat outside my bedroom door one night, and she was taking notes

of what was being said, and it turned out I was having a full-blown conversation with

whoever it was that was in my room.

And one morning I'd gone downstairs, and she said, I'd been taking notes for the last

three or four nights, only last night you actually named who it was that you were talking

to.

And I said, what did I say, and she said, you said, good night, Granddad.

And I'm like, okay, so it was my granddad I was talking to.

And she said, as far as I can tell, looking at this conversation, yes, you were.

And she took it, all of this information was given to a child psychologist.

And he reported back that, often hearing about the whole situation, he said, normally if

it's an imaginary friend, or they're just dreaming, the questions and the answers would

not relate to each other, they'd be broken, so it would be one question gets one answer,

and another question that's not related to the first one would be asked, and then an answer

would come through, and it would be sort of cut all the way through.

He said, but this is a fluid conversation, there's a question and answer, then a question

relating to the first one comes through, and so on for the whole conversation, asking

about things like how the family are, how are people doing, and it all related around

that one particular subject, he said so, it's almost as if he is having a full-blown

conversation with somebody in that bedroom.

And that was it, that was it for me, and this lasted for six months, and then that was

it.

I never saw him ever again, whether it's because I closed myself off to it, or he was

satisfied that I was going to be okay, because obviously I took it quite hard when I found

out his death, and it did upset me a lot, so I personally feel that he was just making

sure I was okay, and once he was satisfied that I was going to be fine, he stopped visiting,

and then onwards I always sort of had this connection with things, so I was always looking

into and reading about local hauntings, and well-known cases of hauntings like Borley

Reptree on the Essex Suffolk border, a very well-famous haunted location, which obviously

doesn't exist anymore.

Before we go down that road of some of the things I started to look into, because I want

to talk about that too, I want to ask a few questions about those experiences with your

grandfather.

Number one, when this began, when you first saw this shadowy figure and you identified

it as your grandfather, obviously it wasn't quite the same as him walking into the

houses he had in the past when he was living, you knew this was not him in a living form.

Did you have any fear?

What do you remember?

You were feeling initially, not as you more got more comfortable with this, but initially

what was going through your child's mind?

What was that?

That was the only thing I could think of.

What is this?

Up to the point when I realized it was my granddad's, I didn't know what I was looking at.

All I could see was this black figure and it was quite scary to start off with, but

it was almost as if someone had clicked a switch and the fear had gone completely and

then when I looked properly or, you know, obviously in the dark in my mind's eye, my mind

was telling me that's granddad and the fear had just gone completely, it had gone from

this black figure which a lot of people, obviously, when they go out and investigate and they

see this black shadow, their first instinct is to be fearful of it and that was how I felt.

Within seconds something had told me there's nothing to be scared of, it's only granddad

and it was like I blinked and it became obvious of who it was and that fear had just gone.

Do you remember having the conversations, do you remember anything that was talked

about?

No, I can't remember anything, the only thing I have that recalls any of the conversations

was the papers that my mum had written on, she was quite good at shorthand so she was

able to write quickly down on the piece of paper what the conversations were about and

it was generally just asking about how the family were, how I was doing at school or what

I'd been doing at school that day and saying, saying, giving messages to my grandma, my

grandma would not have anything of it, she was a very religious person and she didn't

believe in ghosts so to actually relay a message from my granddad to my grandma was a bad

thing to do, but he was just asking how she was.

Yeah, at the time did you, like, let's say the next day you get up, did you remember

what you talked about the previous night or is it just over all these years, you don't

remember what those conversations were just because of time?

No, I honestly cannot remember anything from the following morning which is strange

because I can remember my dreams and I've learned in the paranormal field and looking

into all aspects of things like what dreams mean when they say that you can dream a certain

thing and it would have relation to something in real life and where I write my ghost stories

a lot of them have come from my dreams and I've woken up in the morning and I've like,

oh, got to remember that, write it down quick, so I always have a notebook with me just

in case something happens but I can't remember any of the conversations I had and for a long

time my mum kept this piece of paper with a shorthand on it, I can't read your hand

so I wouldn't know exactly what it says but my mum translated it to me and said, you

know, you'd basically been asking how the family were, what I'd been doing, was I going

on holiday, give my love to grandma and so on and I'd be like, I couldn't say this to

my grandma, she'd go mad if she found out I was talking to granddad and when the message

got through to my grandma, my mum had told to my grandma that I'd been talking to my

granddad straight away, she went, no, I'm not having none of that and she ended up going

to church twice as much as she used to as a result.

Was she in fear that there was something else going on there that we should kind of

have the viewpoint that in some religions where it's anything you're talking to that's

on the other side is evil, even they're like in a different, you know, form trying to trick

you?

Quite, quite possibly, she, she, she wasn't all of that, that religious before my granddad

was killed.

And she, she sort of like go to church once in a blue moon, every once in a while she

would go to church, but soon as my granddad died, she was there religiously every Sunday

without fail, she even tried to drag us children to church as well, but she never believed

in ghosts and I'd sort of late wrong discovered that it was in a sense a bit of hypocrisy

to believing God, but not to believe in ghosts, even though the Bible clearly states about

Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost and things like that, and that for me, I turned my back

on going to church with my grandma simply because she didn't want to believe in ghosts

and I'm like, I've been talking to granddad, I got to believe in ghosts, but I can't go

down that road because I had something against God for taking my granddad away and the things

I'd heard about what my granddad did during the war, my granddad never did any wrong to

anybody and I know he was, he was naughty during the war and he was sent over to the States,

I think he was doing gum running or something, he had a torpedo, he was a commander of the

torpedo boat and I think he was stationed off of Florida and doing the Caribbean, checking

on gum runners and apparently he'd seen a periscope and it turned out it was a Japanese submarine

Oh wow, and it was reported, it was blowing up and destroyed, no survivors on the submarine,

but if that hadn't have been for him, the Department of Defence will claim that if he hadn't

have seen that periscope, he could have led to another Pearl Harbor, wow, and they wanted

to give him a medal, but the British M.O.D said no, you will not give him a medal because

he's not supposed to be there, so my granddad was the sort of person that would do anything

for anybody and I've, in a sense, I've lived by the ethos that he went by and I'll do anything

for anybody within reason, but there's a point that I won't go fast and so my granddad

has sort of lived on within me and to explain things to my namb was a big mistake, you couldn't

really get away with it. Sure, well I mean it sounds like to his personality and death stays

the same, which I think some people are kind of confused by that, but it makes logical sense,

where, you know, he was still very concerned about you and your connection and wanted to make

sure that you were okay, so he was, if he were alive and dead simultaneously, he would do the

same thing, you know, it's like it's just, it would just be his demeanor. Do you think the manner

of death has anything to do with hauntings or a living person, you know, sticking around and

becoming a spirit that then, you know, hanging out with family or friends? I think sometimes

depending on the situation and the manner, like say, in the manner of death, I think if they've

got unfinished business, like with my granddad, my granddad wanted to make sure that all his grandchildren

were going to be okay, and I was the youngest of four grandchildren. All the rest of them were like,

I think my sister is three years older than I am, so her life was already sort of predetermined

as such when he died, she was already sort of on that path, and my other two cousins were older

than my sister, so I think the unfinished business there was me and the rest of the family being

contempt with what we'd got. My mother was going through divorce with my real father at the time,

and there was a lot of turmoil within the family, and then obviously with my granddad dying,

there was a lot going on all at once emotionally, and the whole family was a wreck emotionally,

and it took a while for me to actually say something because of I was fearful for what the

reaction would be, because of the emotional strain that everybody was under. I was worried that that

was what was going to happen, so it wasn't until obviously my mum had sat outside my bedroom and

started writing down on a short hand that I thought, well, my mum knows now that this is going on,

yeah, so to me seems that because of the manner of his death, he wanted to make sure that we were

going to be fine first before he moved on, and I think it was obviously after six months, he

realised, or the message had got through to him, that I was going to be okay, the rest of the family

were going to be okay, so he was able to move on. I'd like to think that he is watching over us

still. I've had a few incidences in my life where technically I should have died and I haven't,

and my mum has said, that's your granddad he's watching over you, and everything that happens

is always somehow leads to my granddad watching over me, but since I haven't found out and discovered

that it's not my granddad, it's someone else that is watching over me, which is quite a bizarre tale.

To say the least. Yeah, tell me about that. So you naturally would think because he was there

for that period of time right after his death that maybe he's still the one that's there, just more

elusive than he was in those first days. Yeah, we did think that obviously after the six months,

he'd gone, and I never saw him in my room at night anymore, years went by and nothing had happened.

I'd had an accident on my push bike, and I thought I was evil, can evil, and I went over a jump,

my bike carried on going along the ground, and I didn't, I carried on going up. I eventually came

back down headfirst into a rock, and I cut my head open into places, lost substantial amount of

blood, and by the time they got me to the hospital, they couldn't believe, but I was still alive,

because apparently I was almost drained. I only had a few points of blood left,

and the doctors would say, we don't understand, we've given him extra blood. Yeah.

The amount of blood we've put in, he should have died if all he got here,

and my mum would go, your granddad's looking after you. Sure.

Many years later I started driving buses, we were living with my parents,

and one particular incident we had borrowed a vehicle from another company,

and the brakes failed, and I had no choice but to crash into the back of a lorry in front of us,

and I was quite prepared to say goodbye world, thanks for having me, see you later.

I closed my eyes, hit the back of the lorry, and I heard the glass smashing, and then I heard

one of the passengers said, Wayne, are you okay? Wayne, are you alright?

And I opened my eyes, and the front end of the bus had gone.

All that was left was me and the steering wheel and my seat, and everything else from the front

of the vehicle was behind me. Oh my god. And I just went, I'm fine, I switched the engine off,

I got from the minor steering wheel, stood off the vehicle, and lit up a cigarette,

and the lorry driver came and expected me to be dead, and I went, because I was supposed to

drive the car, I was supposed to drive the car, and the passengers went, is there, look,

I only went, oh my word, thank god for that, and the police and ambulance turned up,

the ambulance had a body bag with them because they were told that there was a high velocity

impact into the back of a lorry, and they expected me to be dead, the police expected me to be dead,

and when they turned up, there's me, he's smoking a cigarette, and laughing and joking with all the

passengers. Again, my mum said, that's your granddad. Yeah, your granddad's watching over you,

each stopped you from being killed, and for a long time I was quite prepared to believe that,

and I moved into my sister's house, she moved off to Corfu, in Greece,

and I then opted to move into her house, and things kept happening in the house,

that I couldn't explain, so I would put keys down near the front door, and they would end up

near the back door, and I'd be the only one in the house, but they would move, and I applied for

someone to take on the spare room, and they moved in, and one particular incident that stood out quite

well, we were watching the TV show most haunted. Sure. I'd said to her, you're going to come in and

watch the show with us, and she'd been, oh no, no, I don't believe in things like that,

so it was okay fine, I said, but be careful what you say about ghosts,

and what do you mean what I'd say about ghosts, so I said, well you're upset, you're

angry, and it was a name that just came out of my head for no apparent reason,

and she went, oh well you know I don't believe in all that stuff, and she'd gone into the kitchen,

and she'd opened the cupboard, and a tin of spaghetti came flying out of the cupboard,

which straight past her head and hit the wall on the other side of the room,

and by this stage because of my interest in that paranormal, and I was a bit skeptical about certain

things, I'm straight into the kitchen, and I'm looking at the height of the dent on the wall

on the other side of the kitchen, to where it was in the shelf on the other side, and

there was no difference in height, it was exactly the same height as it was on the shelf where the

dent was, and this kitchen was about 20 feet across, and as we know gravity dictates, and if

anything's going to fly out the cupboard it's going to eventually drop, but it didn't,

it was at the same height, but the weirdest part was the can had landed back in the middle of the

kitchen floor, on its end, and it was upright, so you can actually read what it said on the tin,

and my friend Sarah and she's standing there, she's gone as white as a sheep, she's like,

I never touched it, all that deep was open the cupboard, and I just turned around and said,

that's what happens, you upset, you're around, she didn't like what you said,

and she's like, no, don't believe in that, and she walked out, and it must have been about four

months later, she'd ordered some Chinese food, and she always split it in half, so she'd have one

part one night, and one part the another night, and she'd put it in the fridge, she'd put a

tub of sweetened sour sauce on the top of it, and conveniently enough, it was a night when most

haunted was being shown on TV, so I said, you're coming in, you're going to come on watch some

ghosties and she went, no, I'm going upstairs, don't believe in it, I'm just going to reheat my

dinner, she walked into the kitchen, and she let out this almighty scream, and I heard the fridge

door slam shut, and a smack on the floor, so I've gone up off and running into the kitchen,

there's my roommate standing there, she's literally holding her hair, white as a sheep,

I didn't touch nothing, I said, oh, not again, I said, what have you done this lunch?

She said, I just came in here, she said, I open the fridge, the plate come flying out at me,

oh god, of course the plate, the plate is now upside down on the floor, the plate's broken,

the food's all over the place, I've opened the fridge door, and the tub of sweetened sour sauce

that she put on top of the plate, was still sitting on the top shelf in the fridge where she left it,

and I said, did you touch the plate or anything, she said, no, I just opened the fridge door,

and that come flying out at me, and it actually hit her, squaring the chest, and then landed on the floor,

and it was, I think about two and a half months after that, she turned me on and said, I can't live

here anymore, and then she left, and I'm thinking she's had more experiences other than these two

incidences, and that scared her, so she's walked away from it, and of course, Joanne was the name

that I kept getting, so I knew all the lady that lived nearby, the girlfriend's mother had been

so, and said she was fairly good at what she did, and I got in contact with this lady, and she said,

don't give me no information, she said, I will catch a bus to Colchester where I lived,

I'll meet you at the bus stop, and you walk me to your home,

that way she got no information about where I lived so she could do no research or anything,

I met her at the bus stop, I walked her up the road, we went in through the back door, and she'd

only taken two steps, and she said, Joanne, and I smiled at her, and I said, you know, Joanne,

she went, yes, she said, but bear with me, she said, I will get a surname in a minute,

so I'm okay, and she walked into the kitchen, she held out her arms like to form a crucifix in it

in a way, and she held her hands upright, as if she was sort of doing a high five, okay,

and she just turned around like, Bloomfield, her name is Joanne Bloomfield, she's here,

and I'm like, okay, so I didn't tell you who was here or what was here, but you've just given me

her name, and she said, yeah, but she's not here for any other reason, she's here because of you,

and I'm okay, why is she here because of me, well, have I done wrong, and by the end of the session,

she'd actually come out with the fact that I was her dead husband,

I had died on the beaches of Dunkirk, and in the evacuation of Dunkirk at the start,

at the beginning of the war, and she died a year later, and she lived in that house,

her parents lived two doors down, and she was waiting for me to come home,

and that explained all of the other things that were happening inside that house,

and I was not for six, and I ended up checking with the all of records in our county hall,

and sure enough, at that point in time, she lived at that house with her husband,

who joined the British Expeditionary Force over in France, and he died in the evacuations of Dunkirk,

and she died a year later, and I was not for six, it was literally a home run, I could believe

what I was seeing, and she turned around and she said, she's with you for life now,

you, she won't believe you, everywhere you go, she will follow you, and sure enough, we've moved

twice, and every time we've moved, things have carried on happening every once in a while,

and she'll do things to let us know she's there, and she watches over me, all four of my children,

and my partner Ellen, and the only time I know she's around is I will start getting a headache,

literally at the top of my spine, in the back of my head, I never get headaches anywhere else,

it's always at the front, I get a headache normally, but if she's going to be about

if Joanne's here, she will let me know by having given me a headache at the back of the head,

and it won't last long, I don't have to take any tablets or medication for it, it's literally

for about 30 seconds to a minute, and then it goes, it's just like it's kind of there, and it's

just like it's almost like static electricity, it's almost, but you know, I've been in the form of a

headache, yes, yeah, literally her just going like tap in the back of my head going, I'm here today,

you know, I'm about, yeah, and it normally happens when something is going to happen, so if I'm

feeling stressed or I'm nervous about something, then normally I will get that warning sign to say,

she's watching over me, things will be okay, which in the past we've put down to being my granddad,

so we now start to look more along the lines of, well maybe it wasn't my granddad all along,

yes Joanne, or maybe my granddad left when he realized that Joanne was watching over me as well,

and he's probably gotten, he's going to be fine with Joanne here, I'll leave him to it.

Now, I just want to understand how Joanne is viewing you because she thought, in the under the

understanding that she believed that you were her husband at the house, now is this as in like,

she was just confused as to who the male figure is, or as in you were the reincarnated version of

her husband, she knows she knows I'm the reincarnated version, she sees me as her husband Michael,

okay, okay, but she knows obviously that Michael has passed, yeah, and I've come back in a different

form, and that's okay, okay, that's that's what I was wondering, she's quite happy that I've got

a fiance, she's quite happy that I've got four children, and as a result of that, she likes to

watch over all of us, rather than just me. It's like there's a level of enlightenment on the other side

with something like that, where it's not a sadness that the other is dead, it's not a sadness or

jealousy that, you know, they're reincarnated, but now they have a new love, it's like the sense of

peace and just well-being and just care for another soul, no matter what form it may be in.

Yeah, definitely, I mean, whenever I was on my own, you could tell there was a level of sadness

there, and whenever she did anything, it was like she would do something silly, you know, it wouldn't

be anything nasty like knocking things off the wall so that it would smash on the floor or anything,

it would just be like something would be placed somewhere else. Sure, there would maybe go,

where on earth did I put then keys, or where did I put that mark? Where's it gone? It was there a

minute ago, why is it somewhere else? And it was almost like she was playing games to keep me

amused and to keep my mind off of things. Yeah, and then when I met someone and I formed a new

relationship with them, there was one person that she wasn't too happy with and that was very

short-lived relationship, but all of the others after that, she sort of seemed to sort of get on

with without any issues. Was that objection more so because of the personality of the person,

and not really a jealousy thing, it was more of a looking out for you like this person's not good

for you? Yeah, it was, it was looking out for me sort of thing, the person wasn't exactly

I could not put it, she was very old for herself. Sure, okay, you know, it wasn't because of

you know, love for one another, it was more of a fact that I was quite happy to cook dinner and

do the housework and then go out to work as well, and they just sat there and just watch the world

go by. Sure, and I don't think John Wayne was too impressed with that and thought, well, you know,

I can't have him be with a person like that. So I think I bet all that quits.

That wraps up part one of our conversation with Wayne in part two. What unexplained and shocking

experience did Wayne have at Borley Rectory? What was the history of Borley Rectory that made it

such an active location? And what could the future hold as possible homes may be developed and built

on this legendary, very haunted site? All of that in more in part two. Until next time for the

Grave Talks, I'm Tony Bursky. Thanks for listening.

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