They’ve Mocked Charlie for a Year... Now They Pay for It

0:00All right, everybody. Welcome to the show today. We decided to do it live. Obviously, we're going to we're going to memorialize Charlie Kirk today, but we're going to do something a little bit different. I'm going to bring something up that was said shortly after Charlie Kirk was murdered because I made a statement about what I thought the nature of the fight was at that moment, the day of, and it actually got, it caused myself and the speaker of the house Virginia to get in a bit of an online spat about it. And we're going to look back. We're going to look back a year. I'm going to determine who was right. Was he right? Was I right? And then we're going to do something that I think desperately needs to be done that I think many of us thought would have been done by this point. And we're going to lay out some more specifics on what exactly should be happening at this point. This is a year later. All of us, I think, have this idea. We have this impression on our minds of where we would be at this particular stage going forward in this fight. And I'm going to say right now, we are way far afield of where I thought we would be.

1:04Way far afield. And to be perfectly honest, I'm angry. I am, I'm angry on a number of levels. And whenever I get angry, I definitely have a tendency to maybe say things that I should temper a bit. But there is such a thing as right to singer. So here's what I want to do. I'm going to pray first. I'm going to pray first and then we're going to get into this conversation. So yeah, here we go. Dear Lord, I think you have this opportunity to talk to people. I thank you for Charlie Kirk. I thank you for the ministry that he represented. I thank you that he was an obedient servant to you and that he said such an incredible example for the rest of us. I pray, Lord, that you'll be with us is we not only have this conversation, but we actually talk about what needs to happen going forward one year after Charlie went home to be with you. I pray, Lord, that you'll be glorified in what we say and do. I pray, Lord, that you'll be glorified in the actions that we take from here. And I ask for guidance as we have this conversation.

2:09In Jesus name, amen. Okay. Let's go ahead and talk about what was said the day of. And I'm not going to read the whole thing because most of you have seen it at some point. But there was a particular, I don't know, statement that I made that especially infuriated the left. They thought that I was saying something in cindierier that I was calling people to violence and how typical. How typical is it that at a point where we're mourning the death of our friend, the left's primary concern is the backlash that could happen to them as opposed to looking at the very real problems that their own rhetoric and their own ideology had created. Nothing's changed in that respect, by the way. But here's what it was. And many of you saw this. This is the part where I said that I'm told as a state representative. My job here is to express my heartfelt condolences and then stand in solidarity with those on the other side of the aisle as we

3:09condemn political violence and stand unified. And what I want to say is we're not unified. We're not one people. The truth is we haven't been for a while. There were two very different peoples and we may occupy the same piece of geography, but that is where the similarities seem to were abruptly end. I said, I convinced myself for a long time that whenever the left called me a racist, a bigot of sexist, a fascist, a threat to democracy, for even the most innocent disagreements that it was simply a hyperbolic rhetoric. It was hyperbolic rhetoric done for effect. And now the effect is a widow and two children without their father because the left couldn't bear the thought of a peaceful man debating them and winning. And then I said this, I don't think they realize it yet, but murdering Charlie is going to be remembered as the day when we finally woke up to what this fight really is. It is not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen. It is a war between diametrically opposed world views which cannot peacefully coexist with one another. One side will win and one side will lose. Charlie tried to win that fight through argumentation, through discussion,

4:11through peaceful resolution of differences, and the other side murdered him. Now Speaker Don Scott took issue with that. And he tried to come out and say that this was tragic, but it was irresponsible for me to blame the other side. And he said that he disagreed with me. We are one people. We just have disagreements about things. Okay. Okay, well listen, the reason why I said that this was diametrically opposed world views, it didn't come out of nowhere. It didn't come out of nowhere. Like for instance, when I went to the Virginia House of delegates and I tried to do a motion to adjourn and the honor and memory of Charlie Kirk, which is a simple motion, doesn't require anyone to vote. Several of our Democrat colleagues refused to stand. In fact, several of our Democrat colleagues who always market themselves as nice and tolerant and kind and compassion. They just sat there. And then when they did a motion to adjourn and the honor and memory

5:11of the former Speaker of the House and Minnesota, we all stood. Why? Because nothing and conservative Christians thought or ideology prevents us from standing in solidarity with others to demonstrate that people should not be killed for peacefully expressing their political views. We didn't have a problem with it on their side, but they did. The very caucus for which Don Scott is the head of, he couldn't even convince all of his people to stand for a simple motion to adjourn and the honor and memory of Charlie Kirk. How about George Conway? Not exactly known as being some sort of, you know, I don't know, redditor in his mom's base and screaming about Marxism. This is what he posted shortly after Charlie Kirk was murdered. It's a reference to the Nazis using horsewessel as an excuse to commit acts in violence. That's who George Conway decided to compare it to shortly after Charlie's

6:15death. Right. We all remember when Matthew Dowd first opined that maybe it was his supporters shooting their gun off in celebration. And then he went on to say, well, he hateful rhetoric leads to hateful conclusions. How about this one? Do you guys remember this right here? Do you remember this this gal? Well, this is quite the hot take. The best part of this whole goddamn thing is that he is not martyr material. So his death will mean nothing. It will activate no one. It will impact few. That was her take. This is what was going on all over from the left. And that's why I repeatedly said it wasn't just Charlie getting murdered that changed everything. It was watching the left's reaction to Charlie get murdered. That's what drove us to the point where we realized, ah, this is different. This is you even had people like me and some of the other guy saying, you know what?

7:21If this had been the reaction to me getting shot, I would understand it. I would understand it. But the fact that this was the reaction to Charlie getting shot. But you know what? Maybe they've learned their lesson. Maybe a year later they realized that this was just this was just not the thing that they should be doing that this would they went too far. They went too far. Oh, wait, nope. Here's many his son. I'm tired of this BS Charlie Curcated Muslims and mock the death of Muslims cracking jokes. His murder was inexcusable and horrific obviously, but he was undeniably a hate-filled bigot. How about this right here? Happy Kirk aversory to all those who celebrate. You know it's going to be Erica, the funniest day on this app I swear. How about we go to this right here where we find out that students at Georgetown University are allegedly planning a Charlie Kirk look-alike contest for the anniversary of the conservative activist assassination with the event drawing thousands of upvotes at the elite

8:23Washington DC campus. How about this? We got here. If Charlie Kirk lived in medieval era, happy death anniversary, Mr. Kirk, Reston Piss. How about this right here? This is especially just trashy, but this has been... I'm going to do a... You can read it for yourself if you're looking. For Kirk event tomorrow at my local college campus, this is seriously not a joke. I also want to share this from Isabel Brown. If you're not following Isabel Brown, please do. Absolutely a wonderful person, but she was very close to Charlie and she did a compilation showing everything that was going on. We're going to watch this. We're going to watch this and there's going to be people like, you know, Nick, why do we need to talk about this? I'll tell you why we need to talk about it because we forget too quickly. Every single time we forget too quickly,

9:24so we're going to watch it. Calling September 10th, the Kirkiversary. This has been my entire TikTok before the last several days. Make a Kirk impression. We ask you for a happy time. We come with Kirk. We come with Charlie Kirk. His color is... The star of Charlie's blood. The unbroken will make heaven know. We live with these people. And lollipops and rainbows, everything that's wonderful is what I feel when... As we get closer and closer to the Kirkiversary, I just want to remind some of you that like, if you are not laughing along with us the day the hour the day happened, you don't get to join in the festivities. Like me personally, I'll be throwing a barbecue and I can get you a play, but I have to see a repost from that day first. If you were reposting like, it's such a tragedy, like something like this can happen in our great nation, you have to leave. You have to go home. I'm sorry, you are not invited. On this upcoming Kirkiversary, if you wasn't a day one hater,

10:27get to the back of the room. Okay? This event is for the people that was bold from the beginning. Okay, but seriously, who's going to be throwing the Kirkiversary functions? Like, I'm trying to get a little bit broke. We're going to get crazy on the 10th, bro. I want to see bloody marries all around. Like, are you going to be playing duck, duck, stub? Like, and for those of you who are inevitably going to say, well, Nick, this is just a, this is a bunch of crazy weirdos on the internet. Okay, you are aware that Democrat candidates are campaigning with his son, Piker, right? You're aware that the Democratic Party is actively campaigning with a man that was getting up and mocking Charlie's death, not what a couple of weeks ago on stage in front of a cheering crowd. The Democratic Party and the candidates that he was supporting Chuck Schumer, they're bringing

11:31new life and energy into the party. You're aware that DSA candidates are winning elections to include the mayor of the most powerful city in America. So, so let's get something very, very clear. The statement I made, the statement I made is that this, this is not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen. It's a war between diametrically opposed world views, which cannot peacefully coexist with one another. One side will win and one side will lose. Was I wrong? Look at them. Don't look at me. Them. What they say, what they do, the way they campaign, the policies they want, was I wrong? See, this is the part where we're supposed to say, Nick, you took it too far. Nick, that's overly divisive. How is it overly divisive? How is it overly divisive to quote them back to them, to quote them to all of us? And then we're supposed to be the ones. We're supposed to be the

12:36one, oh, no, we're supposed to back up. We're supposed to love our enemies and we're supposed to turn the other cheek. Can we please, for the love of God, get a little biblical literacy? Okay, loving your enemies is a command. You know what's also a command in the book of Romans? A pouring evil. A pouring it. Not tolerating it. Not not seeking to appease it. A pouring it. And by the way, when the Bible discusses evils or turn the other cheek, there are enemies or turn the other cheek. There's a difference between personal enemies that you might come into contact with throughout the course of your life, for which you should show radical grace the way that Christ did. But this was not a statement. There's two different words. This was not a statement of, well, when the barbarian horde decides to come in, burn down civilization, kidnap and slave and rape. I guess you're just supposed to turn the other cheek. That's not what it means. There is nothing

13:39within Christianity that obligates me to celebrate or tolerate this kind of degeneracy and subversion. Nothing. But you know what, I'm not going to reserve all of my eye for the left. They've already been established as my enemies. And look, I will. I will. In honor of both my faith and Charlie acknowledge something. There are people on the left that do believe that this is horrible, that do still want to have discussions. And that's fine. I will honor that. Anybody that is actually willing to genuinely engage in debate. And I've done it several times. College campuses after Charlie was killed. I'd go to the University of Seattle and I get yelled, screamed at threatened spit at. But then I go to the University of Reno. And there were some students that disagreed with me, but they wanted to have a discussion. You know what? I will always be there for it. But understand something. There is a difference between those who genuinely want to have a discussion. And those

14:45who just want to demoralize subvert and tear down. There's a reason why Christ said not cast pearls before swine. He wasn't calling people pigs. He was saying that there is a point where someone is no longer interested in a debate whatsoever. And that you should spend your time elsewhere. Now one of the things that Charlie understood was that when you were having a debate with somebody, then no longer wants to have a good faith debate that will be unhinged like this. There can be a benefit to continuing that conversation exclusively for the purpose of everyone else around to see who is reasonable and who is not. But it's about time that we understand that those who are not reasonable, those who hate us are gaining political power while the right continues to engage in ridiculous infighting. Now not all infighting is ridiculous. There are conversations that should be taking place between generally like-minded people that have a difference of strategy. In fact,

15:48I'm happy to announce that myself in Christian and to other people who there's been some disagreements with very publicly online are about to sit down all four of us in the same room and have a civil discussion with one another. Because at the end of the day, we do recognize the Lordship of Christ. At the end of the day, we do love our country. But we've diagnosed the problems a little bit differently. And it's led us to some different conclusions about the solutions. And instead of sitting there and eviscerating one another in public, we're going to sit down and we're going to have a good conversation with one another. Because that's what you should do with people that are generally on your side, but may have some disagreements. We've also learned that there was some people that claim to care, claim to care about Charlie Kirk, that then decided what they were going to do was basically turn them into their own little personal piggy bank. It was going to be a grift. And no, I'm not talking about turning point. I'm talking about people like Candace Owens, who despite any evidence to the contrary to who

16:48many theories refuses to acknowledge said evidence. And I'm not going to put up with it simply because she claims to be on the right. I'm watching other people that are getting out there that are now advocating for third-way movements that will do nothing but diminish any sort of building that we have to absolutely fight correctly. But then there's other people where I'm watching good conversations take place. Christian and I don't always agree about the best course of action. We sometimes disagree about diagnosing the problem. But what do we do? Do we eviscerate each other? Do we accuse each other of being bought off or sold out or cucks or establishment or right? No, we sit down and we say, okay, where do we agree? Where do we disagree? And you know, when it ends up happening more often than not, when Christian and I have those discussions, I end up looking at the problem a little bit differently. I end up having a better perspective.

17:51And it does, at times, change the way I view it and what the strategy is. And I'm sure the same could be said for Christian as well. Because that's what happened when like-minded people get together and discuss differences in pursuit of a noble purpose. Now, here's what I'm going to say. And we're going to take plenty of times for questions. I'm going to like that. If you have a question or if you have something that you want us to address, all you have to do is put question and all caps, semi-colon, let us know the question and we'll get right to it. Dobby's going to help us make sure that we get to everything. But I want to announce something else that's going to be happening with respect to what I do, what our content does, what this channel does. Because here's the deal. I think a lot of us anticipated that there would be somebody that would step up and take Charlie's place. Not replace Charlie. But in some ways, fill a void. And here's the conclusion I've come to. One of the greatest things that Charlie was actually doing for this movement that

18:51a lot of us didn't realize, at least we didn't realize it to the extent that it was happening, which Charlie was one of the few people in this movement that could pick up a phone and get otherwise like-minded people to talk to each other instead of eviscerating one another so that we can continue to move forward and recognize what the real threat actually was. If we don't get back to doing that, if we insist on prioritizing our infighting over what's actually going on, over the real threat, that is not hiding the ball with respect to how much they hate us or our country. If we prioritize our internal threats, we will lose. We will lose. If we sit here and we want to decide who gets to be the true bearer of Charlie's legacy. Ladies and gentlemen, can I point out something that should be obvious by now? Charlie would have never told us to look for the next Charlie Kurt. Charlie would have told us to first seek ye the kingdom of God.

19:56Charlie would have pointed out that God had a purpose for Charlie, but God also has a purpose for all of us. And our job is not to try to replace her to do someone else's job. It's to earnestly pray and seek what mission God has for us. My job is not to find a noble mission and invite God to join me in it. My job is to ask God what noble vision he has for me and to join him. And if we can at least agree on that, then we're going to have a real hard time as pride continues to sneak in and rob us of an opportunity to do something that is good and in the process of doing so uphold the legacy of a good man. See, we can't diminish Charlie's legacy. That belongs to him. But we can't destroy the groundwork that he developed instead of picking it up and using it. So here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to do. One, this channel is going to start to

20:57make it a focus and an effort to find the areas where the right is having disagreements and to try to determine where we can come together, work things out and continue to move forward to address the very real threats that want to destroy this country. As many of those conversations that we can facilitate so that we can remember that we are genuinely friends, we will do that. Two, we're going to start focusing a whole lot on one of the most important missions that Charlie talked about, and that was the restoration of the American family. And that starts with men and women both recognizing their obligations to God and to each other. I raised my daughters to know exactly what they should be able to expect from the man that would marry them one day. You know what I also raised them? I raised them to know what their husband should be able to expect from them. Same thing for my son. So this channel, we're going to start to use the experience that Tina and I have gained over 27 years of marriage in pretty difficult circumstances, by the way. I've had a lot of people say, well, Nick, you guys just got lucky. Dude, the moment you hear our story, if you think it

21:58was luck, you don't know what you're talking about. But we're going to start dedicating Mondays to this idea of talking about what doesn't mean to build strong marriages under very, very difficult circumstances. What does it mean to raise kids that honor God and want to build strong and godly families themselves? What does it mean to do that? Because we have some pretty good experience with that. And we want to be able to address those questions. And we also want to be able to incorporate other people that are doing the same thing that have also had success in these areas. We also want to bring on people that actually understand what it's like for young men and young women to try to date and find each other in this environment because it has become incredibly difficult. And ladies and gentlemen, it is by design. I had a pastor friend there the other day told me he goes, Nick, men have been lied about and women have been lied to. And it's the worst possible combination because it's the one that does the most damage between men and women trying to find each other and build families. So we're going to make building families an absolute priority. And we're going to do everything we can in our power to be able to provide people a place to be able to go and ask the

23:02practical questions because it's very easy for me to sit here and just say, go find a biblical woman and get married. It is much more difficult in this current environment to really understand what that looks like. How do you actually work through these things to know whether or not you should be married to one another? That's what we're going to be working on. And by the way, our community has also had success for that. We've now had quite a few couples that have actually met each other in our community and are either engaged or have already gotten married and have successful marriages. Why? Because it turns out that God does have a plan for marriage. And when you follow it, even in these times, it can work. The other thing that we're going to start to do is we're going to start to talk about what are the individual things that we have to do because here's the deal. When you have good leadership, you should support it. But when there's an absence of leadership, you should provide it. That's in your family. That's in your community. It could be in your state. It could be in your country. I don't know. Everybody has a different calling on their life from God. And our whole focus is to help prepare people for that, to be able to identify it and prepare people for that. So we're going to be talking about the spiritual component, about your relationship

24:04with Christ. And we're going to bring on people. And we're going to answer the most pressing questions about defending your faith. We're going to talk about what it means to be emotionally mature as a man and as a woman. We're going to talk about it from multiple perspectives. And what does it mean to be able to show the proper vulnerability with the people that you love, but to also keep your stuff together in moments of crisis. We're going to talk about the physical. We're going to talk about what it means to actually prepare yourself. If you're a young man, you should be the sort of man that other people can depend on you to be able to back them up in a fight. And we're going to talk about what that looks like. And we're going to talk about the practical ways to be able to achieve those skill sets. We're going to talk about the intellectual. We're going to continue to have deep discussions about the philosophy of what it is that we believe, what is informed this country? What made American culture? Because I could tell you this much, America is not just an idea and it's not just a place. It's both. And in order to properly defend it, we have to properly understand it. Because in order to do, in order to pass it on to future generations,

25:10you have to be able to have those discussions. You have to be able to clearly articulate and defend what it is that you believe. And then we're going to talk about the professional too. Because there's a lot of concern out there. Young men are wondering. Young men are saying, you know what, Nick? It's all fine and good to talk about getting married and getting a job. What happens when the entire corporate world shuns you because you happen to be a straight white man. And so you don't fit in any of the intersectional categories that they're hiring these days. That's an excellent question. There are answers for it, by the way. And we're going to get into that as well. And we're going to talk about connecting people with the sort of networks that can provide you the sort of skill sets. So you can't provide for yourself and family. That's what we're going to dedicate ourselves to. And I'll tell you why because I don't want to show up a year from now. And be asking the question, where's the next Charlie Kirk? A year from now, I want to be showing up where we have a bunch of people that have earnestly prayed and asked God, what's my mission? What's my mission and how do I

26:12prepare for it? What's my mission and how I do it? And we're going to spend the last year connecting those people with the people that can provide them the discipleship, the training, and the insight that they need to be successful in that. But no more blackpelling. No more everything sucks. No more everything burns it down. If that's you, I'm sorry. I got nothing for you. I got nothing for you other than I hope you recognize that God has more in store for you than that. I hope you recognize that your enemies want you to believe that. And we don't have any time for it. We just did a documentary that's going to be releasing a little bit later. We're talking about immigration. We talk about what's going on in the United Kingdom and then we talk about what's going on in the United States. Why did we pick that juxtapose? I'll tell you exactly why because I'm watching the UK right now and I'm watching what happens when a country lets them get to the selves of the brink where violence may be the only solution. I don't want that for my country.

27:13There's a lot of people that flippantly talk about civil war. I don't because I don't want it. Why? Because I know what war is. I got to fight in one. I don't want that in my home soil. But I'll tell you what's worse. Losing to the sort of people that celebrate Charlie Kirk's murder. I don't know what happens next. But I plan to be prepared to prevent those people from ever getting power. And I want to do it peaceably. But I'm going to be prepared for whatever we need to to make sure it doesn't happen. And if that's divisive, so be it. The truth is divisive. And it's about time we recognize it. It's about time we recognize that if you actually want a peaceful resolution of these problems where these people don't get power, you better start preparing for everything. Now I'm not going to apologize for saying it. Christian, I know I kind of went off on a log,

28:15monologue. I don't want to give you an opportunity to talk about some things. And then Davi is getting your questions ready and we're going to be able to bring all those up and be able to take a look at those. So by all means, please again, it makes it easier for Davi to be able to find the questions. If you write questions in all bold, you can go through, you can highlight them. He's already got a queue ready for us. And then we're going to go ahead and start to answer those. But Christian, any thoughts that you had, brother? Yeah, I wrote this earlier today. And I'd like to share it. I probably won't read the entire thing like verbatim because I already know exactly what it is that I want to say. But looking back, there's a few things that kind of crossed my mind when I think about Charlie. I never had a chance to meet him in person, but I did have a chance to meet him virtually. And that was on election night of 2024 when we won the White House and we won a federal trifecta.

29:19For those who don't know, I'd like to give the backstory here because it's a great story. Cliff would tell you all about it too because I guarantee you if you're watching this right now, you have seen this clip. Charlie's in his studio, he's got his hat on. It's, I don't know what time it was out in Arizona where he was living at the time, but it was like midnight or something like that. And he was doing a lot in an election night livestream with him, the turning point crew and Cliff. And myself and his team in Pennsylvania on the other side of the country. And Cliff announced he was like Fox News decides that Donald Trump is going to be president of the United States. We've got our Republic back. And Charlie kind of breaks down in tears and he takes off his hat and his wife is hugging him. And you know, he's really emotional because he put in all of this work to make it happen. And I got to give some backstory to this. So at the start of the year, it might have even been the year before. It might have been late 23, but it was certainly by early 24 quarter one of 24. Charlie was basically tasked by the Trump campaign to run the nationwide early vote program.

30:28And the Trump campaign realized that they made a strategic mistake in 2020 by encouraging their voters only to vote on election day. And so they took a different approach in 2024 and their approach went something like this. We don't like that there's, you know, depending on the state two months worth of early voting, but we don't have control over what the law says for when early voting begins or what method you can cast a vote by. So we're just going to play for every single vote we possibly can by any method that we possibly can. If that means, you know, you're a dyed in the world Republican, the votes on election day, so be it. We hope, you know, show up on election day. Yeah. But for those voters that are kind of on the fence in terms of being persuadable or whether or not they're going to show up, we're going to chase them for two months. And the Trump campaign went to Charlie Kirk. They went to turning point USA and they were like, you guys are probably the only organization in the country that actually has this type of electoral experience of door knocking vote, you know, vote banking, phone banking, contacting voters, like doing the actual groundwork to

31:32get people to convert them from maybe two yeses and from yeses to actually submitting a ballot by election day, right? Elections are won by who shows up. You know, people ask all the time like, why did we lose? Well, it's because the other side had more votes than us. Now, there's a million reasons why they might have so you know, gathered more votes than us. But the fact of the matter is is that mathematically more of their supporters showed up than ours. And that's the reason that we lose elections. And so turning point had been doing this work. The Trump campaign went to them and said, we need you to organize this nationwide early vote campaign. And Charlie knew how to do this in Arizona, Nevada. He had chapters there. He had worked there. He lived in Arizona. So he had locked down the Southwest. And then he went to Cliff Maloney, who was a longtime friend of his, who works in the same field as turning point. They don't necessarily do like the high school stuff, the debating stuff, right? The college tours that Charlie did, but they did do the groundwork. They did do the ballot chasing. Yeah. Clif Maloney and Citizens Alliance. They do the groundwork.

32:38So Charlie went to Cliff and said, I need you to go back to your home state in Pennsylvania and do this operation in Pennsylvania with the PHA chase those male ballots. That's the method through which you vote early in Pennsylvania, right? You either vote in election day or you vote by male. We need you to chase down male and ballots that are being requested. And we know what the goal is. We need over 30%. And last time we didn't get anywhere close to that and we lost. And so Cliff spent the entire year of 2024. We're doing that. He built the PHA. He ran it at Charlie's invitation and they worked together on opposite sides of the country. And on election night, they had this live stream. And Cliff was gracious enough to invite me to be his data guy. I was the one that tracked all of this as it was going on for months. And you know, so days before the election, I drove up to Pennsylvania and person and we sat there in the war room for that whole weekend before the election. And then, you know, from the day that the polls opened, air sorry, from the hour that the polls opened in the morning until they closed, we were tracking the results as they were coming

33:40in, right? We were tracking turnout. Is it, you know, do we need to be sending our door knockers to our redis parts of the state to get them to show up on election day now that we've got all the male and stuff done? And then when the results started to come in, we tracked that. And I remember, I'll never forget this. I had the honor of being the guy to tell Charlie's team something like two hours before any network in America had called the results that we had won. I knew it. I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, you and I did a podcast right before and I told you to my predictions. And as the results started to come in, you also did a live stream. And I was tweeting this on. I'm like, it's over. There's no way that Harris can pull out the remaining votes in Philadelphia County to overcome the lead that Trump has. And I called the election at something like 10 o'clock. And the networks didn't call them until like one or two. And so I had the honor of telling Charlie's team and, and Cliff, that we had wanted. Yeah. And I'll never forget that for as long as I live. That was the closest I ever got to meeting him in person. I never got to meet him in person. And

34:44it was just such a blessing to be part of a historic moment in Charlie's life in my life. And I think in the life of our country. Yeah. And so now with this story out of the way, there's something about Charlie's legacy that I think hasn't been touched on a lot. The reason that he was so important to the American right was because he was a rare breed who was able to combine both the educational side of politics and the mobilization side of politics. Yep. Yep. So the way that this typically works and you know this neck, the way that this typically works is is that if you're involved in politics, you're in one of these two camps, right? You're either Cliff Maloney or you are Tim Poole, right? You're either working in the trenches, gathering the num, you know, the ballots, organizing the door knocking campaigns, raising the money from donors, building the, you know, the electoral machine or you're in influential politics, right? You're making

35:46content. You're an influencer. And I don't say that as an insult or anything. I'm saying that there's there's traditionally not formally, right? But traditionally, there is this, this boundary between these two camps. You've got the guys that chase the votes and they build the electoral side. And then you've got the guys that break the news stories. They're the ones that shape the narrative, they're the ones that make the argument on social media and they do the educational side. And then there's this hope that the guys that are watching the influencers that are reading the tweets that are engaged in social media, they're watching the podcasts, right? There's a hope that they will become activated in the election cycle, that they will be picked up some way along the path to November. And their activation will be converted into a vote for the most, hopefully the most right wing candidate that's running, right? Charlie eliminated the possibility of it being a hope and he made it a reality, right? He was a rare breed who could not just do the podcast

36:47circuit, not just do the podcast circuit, he had his own show, right? Not just do the college tour, not just do the debating. He was a skilled orator. He was a master at the algorithm, right? He was Tucker Carlson, he was Ben Shapiro, he was Tim Poole, he was Nick Freides, he was an influencer, right? But he was also an organizer. He was also the type of guy that did the type of work that you don't usually see on X or you don't usually see on YouTube or the podcasts. And he did both of them. And that was the, like to me when I wrote this post, that was the, I think that's the reason that he was a target because more than anybody else, including the president of the United States himself, I think Charlie Kirk posed a greater threat to the left than any single American in this entire country. I include JD Vance in that, I include Donald Trump in that. And you know, these are guys that I think are there's no question the left hates that, right? I mean, the left is tried to kill Trump how many times now, right? But Charlie is the reason that

37:51Trump is in the White House right now. Charlie is the reason that JD Vance is vice president and will likely be the nominee in 2028. Charlie is the reason that we won all these elections to begin with that we have the opportunity to enact, you know, the campaign promises that Trump ran on in 2024. He was a rare breed who was able to, to basically create a pipeline that would take mobilization and turn it into activation. And then convert that into political power that could be wielded to bring about the vision for America that he believed in and ultimately fought and died for. And there's something about his legacy that you can argue we will never get another Charlie Kirk ever again. There's no question, right? But history is filled with the type of men that rise to the height of their country's misfortune. And Charlie is one such man and we're never going to get another Charlie, but there will be people that will come along and do the type of work that he did. He has demonstrated this model of education and influencing and, you know, engaging

38:56in the algorithm wars and then converting that into organization and mobilization and then converting that into political power and then wielding that power for a righteous cause. Yeah. That pipeline that he built, that is the way to victory. And if you want to avenge his death, you have to maintain and build on that pipeline that he constructed. That's such a good point because so many people, they're either waiting for somebody to do it or they're mad at the people who are trying. And the one thing I want to ask those people is, okay, what are you doing? Well, I don't have the time. Well, then shut up. Like, this is one of two things, right? They're going to get on the field. Where are you going to shut up? Because I'm just so tired of the critics that set outside the arena that are constantly thrown. Oh, there's no difference. They're all the same. I'm mad at Trump. He didn't do that. Look, brother, if you are waiting for perfection, I got news for you. Here's one thing I've learned. Here's one thing I've absolutely learned. Even if you got perfection, you wouldn't

39:58be happy. You know how I know because Jesus came and he got crucified. So it's like, look, I'm not expecting everybody to be happy with every single situation you shouldn't be. There's plenty to be frustrating upset about. But the question I'm always going to ask is, okay, so what are you doing? And if you can't answer that one, if you can't answer that one, I'm sorry, I just don't take you as seriously. But the thing is that I'm watching a lot of people who really are trying. And sometimes they stumble and sometimes they make mistakes. Sometimes I make mistakes. But I got a lot of respect. I was joking around. I was telling my wife about this. I said, you know what's interesting about Jim culture? And she goes, what? I said, doesn't matter what size you are. If you're in the gym, you're your family because you're putting in the work. You're putting in the work. Unless, of course, you're just sitting there videotaping yourself the entire time, then you're a douche. But you're putting in the work. And that's the sort of people, that's the sort of people I want to work with. I'm not asking anybody to be perfect because

41:00I'm sure it's home, not. I'm not asking you have to be Charlie Kirk. But do you, do you want to do something? Yes. Okay. What are you good at? I don't know. Let's figure that out. And let's make you even better at it. And then let's put you on something. Let's put you on a mission. All right. I want to get to some questions here because the exarsely, like, I know things, I know there's a lot of things that are frustrating. And that's fine. But we should predict that. We should predict that. But then we should also give ourselves the wins when they come about because there have been some. All right. Drew Martin. Drew Martin said those who are saying Charlie Kirk is just a bigot of never watch the unedited videos of his conversation with people that just agreed with him. They're basing that judgment on edited and doctored clips designed to elicit those reactions. Drew, you're 100% right for anybody that's reasonably honest. Here's what I found. There's actually some people in the chat and we're going to get to their comments where they've talked about the, I was a liberal and then I listened to Charlie Kirk. And I always keep that open because one of the things that you have to remember as a Christian is you two are fallen. You two are sinful. And

42:01Christ still came for you. And one of the things that Charlie personified is that he was willing to go out there and put himself out there and talk to people that were willing to listen and willing to have a conversation, willing to engage. And he would come across some that were not interested. They would fight. They would yell. They would scream. And that's fine. He would use that as an example of what not to be. He would use that example of who actually has the courage of their convictions and who is just yelling and screaming. And so I always want to keep that in mind. But there are another group of people that you could show them the unedited stuff all day long. They have to believe Charlie's a bigot because they have to be able to justify their own mind while they're celebrating his death. And because quite frankly, they've been fed a worldview which says that anybody that disagrees with them is evil. And we've been dealing with this for a long time. It's just now finally manifesting itself. It's finally worked its way through the top levels of the academy to the bottom levels of the academy into our school system into kindergarten into the public school libraries into Hollywood and fighting for all that back seems really tough because it is.

43:04But it's also been fascinating to watch some of the wins that are going on. Is the right is constantly fighting each other. It's been fascinating to watch some of the wins that are going on. But you're right, Drew. You're right. Eileen Peterson from Facebook, the left hates us, the left murders, their babies, their children would murder you any conservative if they could. How do we tell the generation that was in high school during the COVID, the biggest lie ever to do the right thing to have peaceful conversations. They don't believe it and don't see that as a possibility. Here's what I'll tell you. First of all, we have to recognize that for some people it isn't a possibility. One of the biggest problems that we've had lately is this idea that well, if we just did it right, if we just made the right argument, if we were just compassionate enough or we were just tolerant enough, that would win people over. No, that will win some people over. Now, how do I know? Once again, I'm going to go to scripture. Jesus did not screw up his apologetic. Jesus did not make bad arguments and yet some people rejected it and eventually they killed him. So one of the things that we need to

44:05do is we need to be honest that the reason why you do this mission is because you're cold to it. The reason why you fight, the reason why you be honorable nobles because God has called you to it. And sometimes you're going to win and sometimes you're going to lose, but you know what you should never be confused about who you are and what your mission is. I'm never confused about those things. I'm sometimes a little confused about the best way to go about it that I'm never confused about who I am, who I belong to and what my mission is. And so that's what we need to focus on. The other thing that we need to do is we need to recognize something. Most of the parents that are my age, they grew up at a time when public school hadn't been completely overridden by communists and feminist. What they need to understand is that most of their schools now have them and I'm not talking about their universities. I'm talking about their public schools and I always get pushed back on this. I'm not claiming I have a son-in-law that works in the public school system. I'm not talking about him, but guess what? He doesn't get to choose what the curriculum is. He gets to deal with the results of what the curriculum is. I know teachers that are in that system that they are

45:09fighting the good fight every day, but they feel like they have to hide who they really are because they'll get fired. Not the woman that puts up a trans flag in her kindergarten class, them. Whenever you have that kind of pressure, that kind of culture within the school, one of the things that you have to ask yourself is, do I want to send my kids back into it? And I'm not claiming it's easy, but people need to properly understand what it is. I had people used to say, Nick, it's a real sacrifice to homeschool. It's a real sacrifice to send them to private school. I said, yes, that you sacrifice either way. Just choose what you want to sacrifice. For the longest time in our family, we sacrifice to second car. We sacrifice a nicer house. We sacrifice to be able to go on trips. We sacrifice to any number of things. But the reward we got for that sacrifice was kids that share faith, that share values and are willing to fight for them and can bravely articulate them. And so one of the things that we have to understand is that, look, if you're sending your kids into an environment where they're going to be educated and taught by leftist,

46:13just understand something, the left has to control that environment. The reason why they fight for education the way they do is not because they just think education is so important. The reason why they fight for it is they don't have enough kids of their own. Do you realize that the left, at the current birth rates, the left will lose all political power within 20 years. Why? They don't have enough kids and provided that they can't allow millions of people to cross the border illegally. And even that's starting to backfire on them. They have to control systems of education. And it's amazing how the moment you take your kids out of that environment, you start to see a sudden shift. Matt Van Swalt, who used to be a liberal, has been talking about this. He goes, you guys did not tell you guys did not yell enough about the benefits of actually homeschooling. And again, I'm not making light of the sacrifices that it sometimes takes to do it. But I'm saying, you brought up a specific point. How do we tell the generation that was in high school during COVID? Well, they learned a lot and they do believe that there's some real problems and that's good.

47:17But part of it is about teaching them the truth. And again, I've seen it again. All of my kids were, at that age during COVID, it's not impossible. It's just more difficult. But you got to be willing to have the conversations with them. All right, Kristen from Facebook, why do people celebrate the death of someone? If this had been someone they knew and liked, it would be a tragedy. It is always a tragedy when a person is killed in such a violent manner because every person is special and precious because they are made in the image of God and because Jesus died for them on the cross. Well, here's what I'm going to say, Kristen, the reason why you're struggling with why they would celebrate is because the second half of what you said. Because in your world, you and your reality, the same thing as mine, same thing as Christians, were beautifully and wonderfully created in the image of God. And so therefore murdering someone is a tragedy. What if you don't have that worldview? See, as Lewis said at best, when he basically called up this idea that it would probably be better to be governed by robber barons than moral busy bodies. Because if you have someone like the left that honestly, honestly believes that you are standing in the way of equality and tolerance

48:19and compassion, that the moment you say, I don't think nine-year-olds should get chemical castration medicine to trans them, that you are now guilty of transgenocide. Well, then of course, you dying is a necessary thing to happen in order to achieve utopia. See, this is the thing to understand. It's not that they're just mad at you. We think they're mad at us in the way that we're mad at them. No, they're not. We think that they've given over their minds to depravity, that they are incorrect about the nature of reality and morality. And so as a result, we desire for them to be rescued from that, to be liberated from that, to come in the full knowledge and grace of God's mercy and God's reality and God's truth. That's our desire. That is not their desire for you. Their worldview tells them to look at you very differently. And so it is, I'm not saying that we should adopt their worldview when we look at them, I'm saying we should understand their worldview

49:23when we look at them. That way we can be better at how to project our worldview. But that's the answer to the question, Kristen. They just see it very differently. Okay, Chris Codes on YouTube what do we need to do to stop young people from seeing the left is the future to the valid issues they see. So this is good because we've got a little bit of problem on this on the right too. I'm watching people on the right suggest things that I'm looking at going, I don't know about that. That seems like we're adopting a left wing argument, but you know trying to apply it to different ends. I think one of the things that you do is you actually engage with the youth. Here's what I found with my own kids and here's what I found with the youth that I engage with all the time, whether it's through my content, college campuses or whatnot. I ask them questions because a lot of times what happens is the youth are trying to figure out what's real at the same time that they're trying to fit in and find their place in society. Well, when the music they listen to, the TV that they watch, the news that they see, the professors that they see, the influencers on Tiktok, they are

50:27all telling them that this is the mark of what it means to be a good person. There's a massive social poll into that area and two things need to happen. One, we need to be able to engage with them intellectually so that they know that our arguments are intellectually rigorous and that we thought about it, but two, we also need to be able to provide them a different community because a lot of times that we don't understand and this is actually common. You're not just telling them to abandon a belief about something. You're telling them to believe something that is going to cause them to be rejected by their entire friend group. We don't tend to do this on the right. They absolutely doing on the left. They demand a level of ideological purity because everything becomes a cut-off offense. One of the things that they need to know is that no, look, there is another community. I was on with Sean Hannity a while back with a gal and she kind of has a whole page dedicated to her being diagnosed as a narcissist and she talks about, she was kind of talking about the

51:30femosphere and whatnot and it was amazing. Sean brought us on to debate and we end up having this deep conversation about Charlie Kirk, about Christianity, about morality. She was saying she goes, if I say what I really feel, I'll lose my followers and people are thinking, well, that's shallow. That's her livelihood. Right? So no, no, it does take some courage on her behalf to come out there and say, forget it. I'm going to say what I mean. I'm going to say what I really feel and she started to, by the way. So are we going to go like and follow? Are we going to encourage her in this process? Not because she's always going to get everything perfect or say all the right things, but because we recognize someone that is trying to get on the right path. That's where I think we do it. We not only provide intellectually rigorous arguments, but we also provide a community that they can actually fill a part of. I think if we do those two things, all of a sudden we start to see a huge shift. All right, Mary from Facebook said, question,

52:31why is TPUSA in Erica not sued Candace? Why did they allow her to brainwash young voters that Charlie brought? You know, there's always going to be, here's what I will say. It is easy for me to sit back at a safe space where I don't know everything that Erica is going through or the turning point is trying to accomplish. Understand that Erica's primary concern right now is the trial of the man who murdered her husband. And I think that there, I think in one sense there was this spirit, this sense of, we don't sue people that disagree with us. We allow them to have it our say and we have our say and then we got them to be, I think what Candace has done is across the line. And she has engaged in actual defamation. And so I want to be surprised at some point, and there are some lawsuits. There are some lawsuits. There was a lawsuit that was launched by Charlie's had a security against one of the guests that Candace brought on as a witness who was a complete crackpot. So some of that stuff is happening, but I want to be surprised to find

53:34out that Erica didn't want it to look like she was trying to suppress Candace through a lawsuit. Again, we can all look at whether or not we think that's the right course of action. But I think that was the motivation. And who knows? I don't claim to know Erica, but I have a feeling that that's kind of what part of this was. Is that there's been, and not only the map, but also remember the Candace is pretty good about wording things in such a way to where she can try to avoid prosecution. So that's my best guess, but I'm gonna say right up front, it's a guess. Okay, I'm Brad from YouTube said, family is kind of hard when jobs are stolen from you and women legally can ruin you. So this is one thing where a lot of men in my sphere, the conservatives fear, the Christian spirit told men, hey, just pick yourself up by your bootstraps and do it anyways. And a lot of young men have felt like they haven't been heard. And the bottom line is what you're

54:36saying is correct when, and the statistics are in, right? The statistics are in. When you're looking at the vast majority of jobs that are going out there going out to women, or they're going out to, maybe privileged groups or whatnot, then it does. It reduces your ability to be competitive. And one of the things that women insist on to get married is a man that provides. At the same time, they're demanding to make more than men, right? They demand a man that makes more than them in order to get married. It's contradictory and it's stupid. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna pretend otherwise. The other thing when it comes to marriage, you're right. There's a lot of states. By the way, it's not every state. There's a lot of states where they get custody automatically. They can take half your earnings. What man wants to get married to a woman who is going to divorce them, take his kids and now you're going to be forced to pay her to sleep with another man in your home? I get it, I get it. Can I tell you this though? There's a shift coming. There really is a shift coming. Here's what I mean by that. AI is going to take a lot of jobs, but not the jobs you think.

55:38There are a lot of what I would encourage men to do is develop marketable skill sets that they can't keep you out of. And a lot of that is the trades. But I don't want you to look at a trade as just, I'm going to be this. I want you to look at as an entrepreneurial opportunity because the number of people that actually have those skill sets has been greatly reduced as everyone has chased college degrees and racked up $100,000 in debt. There's opportunities there. So I'm not making light of the situation, but there are opportunities there. The other thing I would say is one of the things you do, don't get married in a state with no fault divorce. Now again, somebody can move and try to see you somewhere else. But the other thing I will say is this, I grew up and everyone's going to say it was a different time because I got married in 1999. I realize it was different. But I have never worried about getting divorced. Why is that? When I got married, 50% of marriages ended in divorce. So the stats were bad when I got married.

56:42Then I went into the military, which has even worse stats. And we lived on the other side of the country away from any of our family friends or support groups. Then September of 11 kicked off and I went into special forces, which had even worse stats on marriage. In the first 10 years I was married, I spent about five of it gone at the same time that we were having kids. Thank God, I'm married a woman that even though she we had three kids at home and I was gone and she didn't have an army of doctors or nannies, she didn't strangle my three children. I feel very blessed. But I understand something. It was because I knew something about her and it was because I knew she genuinely believed in her faith and she knew I genuinely believed in mine. I'm going to tell you, if you treat marriage like a crap shoot, if you treat marriage as if it's statistics, then you're going to end up finding yourself with women that treat it the same way. I'm not saying that every Christian marriage is perfect, but can I give you a statistic that should give you at least some sort of encouragement. They talk about like, oh, the divorce rates and

57:46churches are just as high as the private sector. No, they're not. You have to ask the questions correctly. If you just say, are you a Christian? Oh, yeah, I believe in God. Oh, see Christian divorce. Even the Christians that have been divorced multiple, the Christians that have been divorced, the large times it's multiple times multiple divorces. They count that as as if it's separate people for the statistics. When you have a young couple that have gotten married in the faith, gone through their Christian premarital counseling, regularly attend church and pray together, the divorce rates are in the single digits. It's not by accident, guys. It's not by accident, but if you're going to look at the world through the lens of statistics, then you're going to think there's no reason to do this. Fine, look at the right statistics because there are other ones out there and they're correct. I am not telling you it's easy and I'm not dismissing what you're bringing up, but I am saying you can do things that drastically improve your chances.

58:47But you got to look in the right places. Again, that's what Tina and I are going to be dedicating. Like probably every Monday, we were doing marriage Mondays and we were talking about relationships. And a big part of that is to help people find each other, to help people that are married actually be able to enhance their marriages, to be able to work through and talk through stuff. Tina, I still have to do that. 27 years into our marriage. But again, if you want the sort of marriage where you never have to worry about no fault, divorce laws, a lot of that starts with who you marry and why you get married. So there it is. All right. Next, and by the way, Christian, please jump in if you want to say something to this. You might want to say something on this one. Big purple dub from YouTube, women are brainwashed by college and TikTok at the moment. You got to address that. Christian, we've done some videos actually addressing this point. You're probably going to be a little bit harsher than I am on this one. So anything you want to say. I mean, he's right. We have an entire generation of people that are suffering through brain rot psychosis, basically. Let me tell you, you had a,

59:55what was it? You were on Tim Pull, I think, right? Where you said something that went really viral. I've seen it show up like on three separate influencers. I basically told women with this whole Lindsey Clancy thing. I said, women, you don't understand. I said, I'm not advocating for your rights to be taken away. But if you were looking back 20 years and you're wondering why, it's probably because you created conditions where a majority of young women value abortion as their number one political issue. And so you can kill our kids through all nine months with a pregnancy. Then you can strangle them outside the womb. And then the woman gets sympathy and the husband gets blind. You create that kind of paradigm. You will move men into the screw you phase of the exercise. That's not me wishing it will happen. That's not me telling you I can't wait. That's me telling you, this is a logical consequence of certain behaviors. And again, it wasn't me saying, so you're screwed. It was saying we need to address this. He need to understand how this is going to impact you because the other thing I brought up that they did not like. And thank God there's people online like salty tattooed mama and

1:00:56Jillian Michaels. Jillian Michaels was like, you might not like what he said, but where's the lie? Because I said one of the other things I said was like, women, you need men to protect your rights. But you know what though, there's something like, I don't want to say this to like come across as negative or overly critical to what you said. So don't take this the wrong way. But thinking you agree with. I know. I know. But I'm not okay. Just hear me out. Just hear me out, Nick. I was you were saying this. I was thinking to myself, there is almost this implicit and what you're saying. This almost implicit will see the real problem. And again, what I'm about to say, I'm you know, caveating ahead of time that this is not what you're actually saying. It's more of like a, um, I already know what you're going to say. You do. Okay. So so here's there's a bit of a problem with

1:01:58what you said. And the problem is not, oh, in 20 years, women are going to be thinking. Oh my gosh, Christian just spit it out. Just spit it out. The problem is that it's presupposing that the real problem is the radicalization of young men. When reality, the real problem is the radicalization. That's what you're going to say. I mean, what I was trying to get women to understand is, is that when you become unreasonable, you're unreasonable. That was the starting point, Christian. I could you feel better? The starting point was you are unreasonable. And when you become unreasonable to this degree, you will emerge into become unreasonable. Yeah, because they will, because again, what do you do with someone you can't reason with? Right. Like what's what's my other option? But like the reason I bring no pun intended, the reason that I bring this up is because there's been a hole, and I'm not accusing you of this at all, right? Again, this is not an interrogation. This is a friendly conversation. But like the, the, um, you, like you've seen this, I've seen this, the discourse, capital T, capital D,

1:03:02the discourse has been for what two, three years now about how radicalized young men are, you know, falling down the, you know, far right pipeline. What is it that the libertarian to alt-right pipeline or whatever they're calling it, libertarian to far right pipeline? Like, oh, man, we need to do something about all these young men that are getting based in red-pilled. If you actually, like if you do an opinion poll and you ask like a 20 something or 30 something year old man, right? Basic questions about society, government, philosophy. And then you compare that to say a same set of questions that was asked of those same generation, you know, same 20 something to 30 year old, different generation at that point, going back 25, 30 years ago, their answers are almost identical. Yeah. But then if you ask young women, yeah, if you, young men have been portrayed as being radicalized because they buy in large hold the same default opinions that 20 and 30 something year old men held in 1990 or 2000.

1:04:04But then if you ask 20 or 30 something year old women, basic questions about biology, human nature, history, society, politics, philosophy, morality, the answers that they give you are radicalized answers. Yes. It is no one except a tiny minority of college professors. And you know, I mean, that tells you where it came from, right? Yeah. Believed in 30 years ago or 25 years ago. And yet the discourse is all about how, him, if you know, if something isn't done yet, these radicalized young men are going to come along and you're going to get rugyards in cell rebellion. Remember that video from like three or four years ago? By the way, this is me plugging in. Go watch what if all his video about the rise of a full list of the far right youth. He's done a lot of interesting work talking about the social phenomena and he belongs to the generation. So like the whole narrative though has got it entirely the wrong way around. Even our own guys, I've done this, you've done this and I've seen other people

1:05:06do it way worse than either of us have talked about like, man, the real problem is if something is a done, you're going to get these radicalized young men that are going to come along and they're going to break progressive liberal democracy. Okay. Real good. Why don't we talk about how young women are now making excuses for child murderers and voting to murder their own children in the womb and mass import tens of millions of rapists and murderers from the third world. That's not a radical position. That's not a historically like not even historically. That's not an a historical position. Like, why are we having like the whole panic of not that? Sure. The whole point I was making was that no, if you, if you, when you reach this level of absurdity, people are going to come to the conclusion that you can't occupy the same place within society. You can't. You'll destroy it. And so it's not even a radicalization of young men so much as it is. You will get to the point where it's like, wait a second, if the vast majority of women, and I don't think it is the

1:06:07vast majority right now, but I do think it is probably it's either a plurality or it's getting close to a majority. It's a critical mass. It's a critical mass. If you can't get to the point where it's like, oh, no, I'm just going to excuse child murder. Why? Hormones? Excuse me? You don't get to do that. You don't get to do that. So what, which is it? Pick a lane. You can either be strong and capable and intelligent or you can justify child murder because you have the sats, which is it? You don't get both. And we don't treat those people the same within society. And that's not us being unreasonable. Okay. All right. We got to move on to another question here. Katie. Katie Hepron said question. Can you and Tina offer some wisdom to young couples who are stepping into the political arena to fight for change, example, given? How can our wife best support her husband in his political efforts and how can a husband balance working full time raising kids and representing his community in the legislature? Absolutely wonderful question. Thank you for asking. And this is what I'm talking about, by the way, what do you have here? Guys, watch. What do you have here? You have a young wife saying, my husband is going into this realm. We are going into it as a family

1:07:10where fighting for our country. What can I do to support him in that role? Right? They exist. They exist. All right. Go find more of them. Katie, thank you very much for your question. Here's what I will tell you specifically within the political arena. There's a couple of things. One, you are going to be one of the best advocates you can possibly be for your husband. And I'll tell you why because there's a lot of voters that always wonder when a guy gets up and talks on the stuff, when a candidate gets up and talks on the stuff, does this guy really mean it? What's he really like? And you have insight into that. And so you genuinely talking about your husband, the man, the husband, the father, what it does is it humanizes a lot of what's actually going on in this conversation. It signifies that you trust him. That you trust him to lead in your home, and you trust him to lead in the civil world as well. So those things are incredibly important from an outward facing political campaign standpoint. Here's the other thing that's important on inside the home. This is one of the things that Tina did for me that was so important. One, she trusted me. She trusted me. And she gave me that space to work. When she knew I was

1:08:13going to have to be working 14 hour days, I didn't get home and she was bitter, mad at me. Right. She was supportive of me. She was also my confidant. She was the one that I could go to for honest opinions on things. What do you think about this? What do you think about this? How about this? And we would we would talk it out. And she would provide that that sounding board, and she would come back and she would do it. She would also, she would also be defensive of me. So there were times where campaigns or work, oh, we need to hear, we need to, and she'd be like, baby, I just need you know, we need we need you at home this time. I know you're really busy. We support that. But this Sunday, you know, we need you at home. Or she would she would she would she would make sure that I knew she didn't assume that I was observed everything that was going on. She would say, honey, you're you know, Ali really needs you. Lily really needs you. Luke really needs you. He really needs you in this way. And so what it was is that she was providing this environment where she took on that proverb's 31 responsibility. She wasn't just a she was a homemaker in the truest sense where she had the pulse of the home. And I respected the role that she

1:09:15played. And the leadership roles that she played in some of those environments to where if she said, maybe I need you over here. Or maybe your kids really need you. I knew it was true because she would also support me because she knew the mission was important as well. So those are some of the ways that you can be a tremendous help to them and a tremendous support. And again, I thank you because once again, I look at the stuff that Tina I did. And by the way, Tina, I experienced the other way around too when she was running for office. And I got to see what she, you know, I'd always looked up from the perspective of the candidate when I saw her as the candidate me supporting her. I saw the other side of that. I have how difficult it was to watch people say things about your wife where you can just run out there and beat the crap out of them. There was a lot of times where it was very, very good. I was not there with her. There would have been felonies. So, but those are some of the things that you can do and just know that it's it's incredibly appreciated. And by the way, you will notice what a blessing it is as well when when husband and wife are synched up and

1:10:17they realize that both of them are bringing something to the table on this, your far more comprehensive and far more effective this way. So thank you, Katie. All right. Ellen Peterson said, what do you do when the corporate world will not hire you because you aren't a minority gay or LGBTQ plus? You join the military, become a police officer, you do the manual labor jobs, the liberals hate, unfair. Yes, you have to provide for your family. I think it's absolutely true that it's always about perseverance. It's always about finding ways. There's a reason why I say like how many I'm sorry, but how many trans plumbers, electricians and carpenters do you see? Honestly, they don't exist. I'm just saying that's not generally the fields they gravitate to. By the same token, have you had to actually call an HVAC or a plumber or an electrician lately? Oh, they're making good money. Why? Because you can't outsource it to AI. So a lot of what corporate the corporate world is doing right now, they will pay a price for it. I promise you, they will pay a price for it. You cannot staff your companies with liberal activists that hate you and not eventually pay a price.

1:11:21And it sucks that it's got to get to that level. But more and more companies and corporations are starting to see it. A lot of it has to do with where you live. This is another thing I will say that people don't like to hear, but I think it's true. There's a reason there's a time where it becomes necessary to geographically self-sort. I'm going to say right now, the place I live in Tennessee, we don't have these problems. Why? Different culture. And so there's going to be times where it might not be fair, but if you pick up and you move your family to a different culture, you'll be surprised how the culture changes the way the business is operating, what they're looking for. And over time, guess what? Those businesses are successful. Why? Because they're not hiring activists. They're hiring people that actually know what the hell they're doing. So there's going to be a correction period, but there are things that you actually can't do. And again, I think you select, I think you listed some that are very, very important. And I don't want people to think of them as meany old jobs. I didn't think of my time in the military as a meany old job. I gained a great deal of experience and skill sets. Same thing with these jobs. Like my son was looking at me, I was like,

1:12:22I'm going to get in, he goes in the military right now. He goes, I want to weld. I wanted to do these other things. Why? Because guess what? AI ain't replacing some of these jobs as quick as they're replacing the finance bros. So again, don't lose hope. You can, we can be upset that it's not fair, but just understand that we're going to get an opportunity to be able to build this back. Let me give you one little white poem moment. I know this is minor. I know this is minor. I need to be careful what I say here to avoid criminal prosecution. Okay. When we hire at our company, we hire for values first. We hire for values first. Why? Because I can't trust an activist. I have a degree in video editing from don't care. Don't care. I want to see work ethic, I see values. And if I see that, we might have a place for you. If I don't, well, enjoy your $100,000 in college debt because I'm not interested in hiring a communist. All right. The late, the last, what is it? The late Oreo from YouTube question. Where exactly can I find conservative women as a

1:13:2630 year old man dating apps and just go to church or not viable options because all my local churches or liberal or cowards. All right. So here's what I'm going to tell you again. I'm not minimizing the concern, but I am saying that again, if there's slim pickings where you're at, you may have to concern. You may have to, you may have to consider looking somewhere else. And when you say just go to church is not a viable option. I'm going to ask you an honest question that you only you can evaluate because I don't know your circumstances. I don't know where you live. Have you really got to every church in your area? Have you gotten to everyone? I don't know. Maybe the answer is yes and they all suck. If you literally, every church in your area sucks and you can't find it, do you really have, do you really want to live where you're living? That's just an honest question. And again, I know it sucks. But the thing that I would say as far as finding conservative women, church usually is a viable option. But the thing you need to understand about church is the women that regularly go to church usually get married younger. And so it's a lot of times it's a good place for younger people to look, but it might not always be the best place

1:14:29for a 30 year old man to look. So here's what I would say. Don't give up on church, but also look at Christian groups or I'm not a huge fan of dating apps, but there are Christian apps that I think actually work well for dating. Why? Because they prioritize faith first. When you prioritize faith and values first, you significantly narrow it down in the field and you don't waste time. Because one of the things that wasting time does is it discourages. So don't waste time with a bunch of women you're not interested in. Focus on the ones that actually match your faith and values first. Because you don't want to marry anybody that doesn't match faith and values and I don't care how hot they are. The other thing too is looking at groups. So it's not just like church. For instance, I'm going to give you a perfect example of this. Homesteaders conferences. These are amazing because you have a lot of people there that again, they want 30 years old again. You may be world will say this is evil. I can't believe once I marry a 24 year old. No, you just might want to marry you're a little bit more established. So you're bringing something to the table. Maybe you're finding someone that is younger but not weird. And again, there's different conferences,

1:15:35there's different places that you can go where it makes sense that you're going to run into people that share your values. So work on yourself. Be honest with yourself about what you need to improve on. Because all of us got areas to improve. Be honest about that and then place yourself in the environments we are most likely to find someone that shares values. And then understand this too. Neither of you are getting a complete product. This is something I tell women all the time by the way. I will run into conservative women who are 26, 27, 28. They're like, all I want to be as a wife and a mother and I can't find a good man. I'm like, I think you're full of crap. What do you mean? Like, there's a lot of dudes that want to get married and want to be providers. There are more dudes that want to get married and be providers than there are women that want to be wives and mothers. That's just a statistical fat. So why can't you find one? And then you start to dig a little deeper. It's like, you want a finished product. You don't get a finished product. You want to know why you're not a finished product. You need to find someone that shares faith and values that you see character that you have attraction to and you need to realize that you're going to build together and you're going to change from one another. That's what you're going to do.

1:16:39That's the best advice I can give, brother. Sorry. Okay. Here we go. Two. Let's see. Nine. F one. In question. I was a liberal. Charlie's death led me to turning point then the Bible and Christ. How do we reach people like me without hate pushing them away? That's a good question for you to be perfectly honest. That's a good question for you. There's a reason why Charlie's death impacted you. And I'm guessing it was because that on some level, you saw Charlie is going out there and making arguments and being compassionate and being reasonable in a way that resonated with you. And so that's why I always tell people, as much as I say that there are people on the left that I just consider my enemy now because they've considered me their enemy. Now, even those people, Hassan Piker is probably the personification of everything I can't stand about the left. You know what I really want to happen to Hassan Piker? More than anything else, you know what I wish would happen to Hassan Piker that he would find Jesus to be saved. I don't want him hurt. I don't want him hurt. Now, if he persists, I would like him

1:17:40denaturalized and reported, but in the end, I don't want that man to die. I don't want that man to go to hell. I want that man to find Christ. I want to be able to call my brother and Christ. That's what I want. And so we still have to project that. Even in our righteous anger, we still have to project that. Now, that doesn't mean I have to tolerate what Hassan Piker does. And it doesn't mean I have to turn the other cheek to an entire movement that wants to kill me. I don't got to do that. God does not command me to do that. So I think we still have to be able to display the compassion. We also, here's another thing can I just say, we need to understand that different, we're going to play different roles in this fight. Sometimes what happens, Christian brought this up. When you get somebody that's so good at doing so many different things, you start looking for somebody else that can do all those things. Every once in a while, you have somebody like that, but that has not been normed. The norm is that you have a group of people that are working conjunction with one another in cooperation with one another and they have respect for the different roles and responsibilities that they play. So someone like you might be in a unique position to be able to speak to somebody that I cannot reach. They might look at my argument, but they might see me as a bearded friggin

1:18:45neanderthal, but they might see you and say, all right, I'm listening. And then you just start in a whiff. Here's what I saw. Here's what I was. Here's what I believed. And then I saw these things and I had to reevaluate some things. So it might be you. It might be you. It is the person that that helps them come around because you've got the experience they can relate to in a way that I don't. So consider that. All right, Adam Holley said question in 2024, all 77 Oklahoma counties voted Republican. However, I believe we face a real risk of losing that advantage because of voter apathy, not just a major elections, but in primaries, right off municipal races and local elections as well. I am also concerned about relocation incentive programs promoted by some city leaders during my 2022 US Senate campaign families approached me claiming that these incentives appeared to be disproportionately benefiting Democrats and independence. I think I got all of that in there. Part of the problem, Christian, I think Christian, I want to give him a chance to speak to this as well

1:19:48because one of the things Christian said, I think it was so important here is that again, what made Charlie specials, Charlie, Janet, just talk, Charlie worked and Charlie also understood that the work never goes away. There's the problem with a lot of conservatives, I think, is that politics is not our life. Our life is faith, our life is family, our life is work. And these are the things that we see as family and we get involved in politics in order to protect those things. And so we want we want to win and say, oh, okay, we want good. I can go focus on the other things. And the thing that we need to understand is that you never get to stop fighting for the sort of civilization you want to live in. And there's going to be ups and downs and you don't allow the downs to demoralize you to the point where you don't work anymore. You learn from them and you get right back at it. Now, again, we have different roles to play. If you're someone that ran for office, well, then you're someone that has taken on an additional responsibility when it comes to actually engaging in politics. And so there's going to be times where you are the answer to your question. If you're the one that is actually built the following, if you're the one that has actually learned how the system actually works, well, then you're in the best position to explain to the people in your

1:20:51community why they should be more involved. So don't expect them to be you or don't expect them to be as interested as you are. But if they trust you, you can help them figure out what's the best way they can be involved at the point where it actually matters. And I've done this to people before. I've said, look, I understand you're not going to be as involved in politics. I was in a state legislature for 10 years. I understand that everyone's going to do that. But if you trust me, then there's going to be times where I call on you to say, hey, we need you to do this right now. And what I found is when you built that trust, you could convince them to do it. They don't they don't know when to eat, live and breathe it. That's fine. But we need them to get it be involved enough to be able to win. Christian, do you have any insight into that? Do you want to share? Yeah. Not everybody is called to run for office. But everybody is certainly called to engage in politics. I agree. If you don't engage in politics, then you shouldn't be surprised

1:21:51basically when people who hate you rule over you. Yeah. Right. So for some people that that entails doing the work that Nick did, throwing your hat in the ring and personally running, I mean, Nick has run for state legislature. He ran for Senate and he ran for Congress. The House of Representatives, of course. And then people went down the path that I went down, which is I worked for the guys that did those things. And there's all sorts of, you know, you can work on the legislative side, you can work on the policy side, you can work on the campaign side. I mean, I've done all of that other than run for office myself. And I have had far too many based comments on social media to ever consider throwing my hat in the ring at this point. Something tells me maybe an item. But that's fine. But like we all have different roles to play. And so sometimes, like, I mean, I've told Nick this once, like we have this idea and it shows up sometimes, unfortunately,

1:22:53that there's this riff on the right between those who are inside the over 10 window and those who are outside the over 10 window. Good example is immigration, right? If you go back 10, 15 years ago, you were outside the over 10 window. If you said that we needed to repeal heart seller, you were way outside the over 10 window, right? If you were going on social media, saying that in say 2013, you would be accused of being a fascist Nazi, yeah, every buzz war. And now you have mainstream members in Congress that are campaigning on this. You have guys that are going to give speeches. And they'll just casually throw it out. As they're, they'll talk through like, oh, yeah, we need to like a per se administrative state. Take back the institutions and close the borders and deport 10 million people and repeal heart seller. And then they'll just keep going on, rattling off stuff. It's nothing. It's now considered almost, it's getting to a point where I'm willing to bet within the next five to 10 years. That'll be a litmus test in Republican comrades of,

1:23:54are you going to shut permanently third world immigration into the United States by repealing heart seller and putting in a new formula that'll probably look something like the 1920s national origins formula. So that's an example of the over 10 window moving. But to my point, we have this idea that there's tension between the guys that are outside the over 10 window, what they previously called the dissident right, which is now a million different things. I mean, that applies to everybody from me to, to, you know, a bunch of other names, so I don't want to promote right now. It's, it's a, it's a patchwork mess, right? But it used to meant simply guys that were to the right of the existing Republican establishment. Yeah. And then you had guys that operated within the framework, right? That were within the over 10 window. And we have this idea for a long time that they needed to be feuding with each other, right? The guys within the over 10 window needed to gatekeep the guys outside of it. And the guys outside of it need to tank their own side and tell people vote Democrat in order to actually get their way because the only real way that we win is, be is turning to South Africa, become accelerationists. Yeah. Yeah. That is not the path to victory.

1:24:58No. The way that you get to victory is the guys that are on the, the right wing edge inside the over 10 window need to be pushing the over 10 window to the right. And the guys that are outside the over 10 window need to be pulling the over 10 window to the right. Now again, that means that go ahead, Nick. Well, I was going to say when we're going to start, we're going to, by the way, for everybody else in the queue for questions, we got your questions in a queue, we're going to hit him and we're scrum doing far quicker answers to get to everybody. The other thing too, I would say on this, you got to talk about wins. This is one of the encryption is stressed. We've done entire episodes talking about wins because right now everyone's like, no, the Trump administration hasn't done anything. And it's like, he literally fired 300,000 federal employees. He has stopped the flow of illegal immigrants over like stopped the flow of illegal immigrants. He's deported over 2 million people. This is unless the two years like stop buying the black pill. We haven't gotten any wins. Well, but we haven't got all the wins. We want it. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine anybody,

1:26:01anybody 10 years ago doing what Donald Trump has done in under two years? The answer is no, by the way. Was Mitt Romney going to do it? Was George Bush going to do it? No. We're all the fiscal conservatives going to fire 360,000 federal employees. Yeah. So, so look, just understand something. Understand something. Take the wins. Right. Talk about the wins. Don't just talk about also some people are so afraid that if we admit a win will lose momentum. Like guys winning creates more momentum. Very, very anger burns really hot and really fast. So you can have a little bit of anger, but you need some wins as well. Did you want to close it up? Christian, we got to start going to these. Yeah. I'm putting this is that figure out where you are in the movement. What role? Where you are on the over to window, where you are vertically and horizontally in terms of skill set and, you know, career path wise. Right. I mean, it might simply mean that you were the guy who tells your family and friends, oh, yeah, you get a vote for these candidates on your primary ballot

1:27:05and your midterm ballot. That might be the extent that might. Yeah, that might be the extent of your everybody has that right? Where it's like you're the point man for five other votes or ten other votes. That might be the extent of what you do or you might go all the way to the point of no, I feel called and I know that I need to like run for higher office or you might be somewhere in between that. But the point is is that understand where you are in that hierarchy. Understand that you are not the central character, even if you're running for president of the United States, you're not the central character in this story. You have a job to play and your job is to insert yourself in that symphony that we call the American conservative or right wing movement and play that note as beautifully as you possibly can play. And when you do that and you realize that this is a team sport rather than I need to tank my own side to boost my own ego and make sure the algorithm promotes my channel more than other people. You need to cut yourself off of those type of guys and find people that are team players. And again, that means that sometimes I have to stress

1:28:06this. Sometimes your team players are going to be guys that are firmly inside the Overton window. That doesn't make them sellouts, that doesn't make them cucks, that doesn't make them losers. There are those people that exist, right? But guys that are within the Overton window that are fighting the good fight. Your job if you're outside the Overton window is to actually move the conversation in a way that allows them to continue moving the ball down the field. So again, you've got to figure out where you are in that spectrum, where you are in that career path, and understand that this is ultimately a collective team sport. That's what politics is. It's not about you as an individual. It's about the type of world that you want to live in, right? It's about actualizing that and bringing that into, you know, into fruition. All right, we're going to try to go with 60 second answers here. And again, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to cheat anyone ever more. Robo stands wrong to guys for I know, right? We both full of us. Okay, from Repentant Hearts Ministry question been trying to get both you and other conservative groups to visit South Indiana to assist in building the GOP with rural conservatives. The question,

1:29:09how do we get yours and clips attention without paying first? Okay, here's one of us say the amount of free stuff that Cliff, myself and Christian have done over the years. Let's just say if I had been charging the whole time, I wouldn't have to work anymore. So I'm going to say two things. We still do that. We will still show up and we will still help people. I will still just show up and I will help people. But you also need to understand what you're asking for. What you're saying is, hey, Nick, I know you have a family to provide for and I know you have jobs and I know you have the bills and everything else. But I want you to do stuff for me for free. And then other people are saying, Nick, we understand that you have bills to pay for and we understand you have a wife and kids and a mortgage and a whole deal. So we want to honor the time that you're going to give with us by compensating you. Who should I spend my time with? That's an honest question. Because what does it say in scripture? The workers worth their wages. Now I will tell you, I still do free stuff. I do it all the time. But the question is, is if you want me to get on a plane and fly

1:30:10out to South Indiana and sit down with you for a couple of days to do all of this, you understand that I still have a job. Like I don't, my duties and responsibilities that I have to do, they don't go away because I'm doing something good in South Indiana. I just have to do that on top of doing this. So here's what I will say. Make it easy on me so I can do something good for you. If you call me up and you say, okay, Nick, if you go to booking at NickJer Freitas.com, that's booking at NickJer Freitas.com and you say, look, we really need some help. We need some advice on how to do this. Would you be willing to get on a Zoom call with me and other conservative leaders and lay out a strategy? That's something that I will fit in my schedule and I will do for you. That is something that I will try to make happen. If you're saying, Nick, can you fly out here and stay for a week while we work through all this? Man, at some point that's no longer a reasonable request. And so that's all I would ask you to consider is what is the best way that we can help you that actually fits also with in our schedule and all of the other people that are asking us for help. So that's the thing that I ask you to do.

1:31:13That's how you do it. Go to booking at NickJer Freitas.com and say we would really like to set up a Zoom call with Nick to talk about what it is that we're trying to do, what strategies that we should implement, what would this potentially look like. And let's start there. That's the best way to start doing it so we can help you work through a strategy. Okay, go on to the next question here from Jeremiah Treasual. Okay, question. You did a video months ago on the necessary problems in catalysts. Yeah, conditions in catalysts for civil war is the left's continued mockery combined with blaming him for his murder that catalyst. No. And the reason why he's because this still forms in the realm of mockery and speech. Conservatives are not going to rise up and start fighting over this, as mad as this makes us. Now, we'll motivate people to maybe do things that they should be doing like improving themselves, preparing, working, voting, etc. But it's not going to full-fledge civil war. If you want a catalyst moment, if you want a catalyst, here's the conditions. If you had Democrat control of the presidency, the Senate, the House, and under those conditions, Democrats then

1:32:13moved to turn Puerto Rico and DC into states. And then they stacked the Supreme Court like James Carval, moderate James Carval has encouraged them to do. And then they started instituting massive socialist policies, gun confiscations. That would be the necessary catalyst where you would have states. In my opinion, there are states that would say we're fighting back against this, we're not going to allow you to do it. And now you run into a constitutional crisis moment where the federal government either has to double down or they have to back away. And we've had this various points in US history, not just the civil war. We've had various, but we've had recent points in US history. And that's always the question is how they would have to push to a degree where you would have to have enough. I would say governors, because it's never just the grassroots picking up and going to war. But if you had enough governors and state legislatures in conjunction with one another saying, this is aligned too far, we will not accept it. That's the sort of, that's the sort of conditions you would need on the other side to fight back. But then mocking Charlie Kirk, it's enough to piss me

1:33:13off. It's certainly enough to make me get out of bed even earlier and work even harder. But I don't think it's a sufficient catalyst for civil war. Okay, William Turnbull 16. Question, what are we trying to conserve? Please say, because I think this is what a lot of conservatives are fighting about. And that's a great question. Here's the thing, Tim Pullen, I had a debate about this, because he was saying he's like, Nick, I don't even think we have laws. I don't think we have a constitution anymore. And he gave reasons and we had a pretty good back and forth about that. Here's what I would say. We still do have a constitution. We still do have laws. We still have millions of Americans that believe in our system and are willing to fight for those values. How do you know? We won the last presidential election. All is not lost. We still have people fighting within educational institutions within Hollywood and arts and entertainment. Jerry Bourne and the pin dragon cycle, you might say, well, how is that? No, he's fighting for the arts and entertainment. Right. We have people fighting for journalism. We are more competitive in the journalist arena than we have ever been in my lifetime. Why? Because Elon Musk bought Twitter. So we are still trying

1:34:17to conserve the sort of environment, the fundamental principles and values. Now has it taken a huge hit? Absolutely. Are there some institute? Are there there are fields that we have to fight for? There's some institutions. I want to waste my time on. I'm not trying to fight for Warner Brothers. But does that mean we don't fight for our children and entertainment? No, we fight for those things. We conserve the principles and the values that we believe in. So that's what I would say we're fighting to conserve those principles, those ideas, those fundamentals. That's what it is. That's what I'm fighting for. But again, we can have a very robust conversation about what that fight actually looks like. One of the things that I, I, Tim Poole and I talked about is that the main question right now is not whether or not we have a constitution. The main question we have right now is we've got enough people in this country that hate this country and want to completely subvert it. Does the constitution provide the necessary mechanisms to be able to fight that? And Tim Poole said, no, I don't believe it does. I said, okay, good. But let's have a conversation about what do we need to do? What do we need to change? How do we preserve the things that we want while adjusting the

1:35:19the threat as it exists internally? I think that's, that's the conversation. But that's my question to, you know, what I'm trying to conserve. I'm trying to conserve the principles and the philosophies that informed our country at the founding. That's Christianity. That's individual liberty combined with personal responsibility. That's private property rights. That's markets. And a lot of these things have been diminished, but they're not gone. The left doesn't get to just declare victory because they're fighting me. That's what I'm trying to conserve. That's what I'm trying to conserve. Okay, Ellen, GR2, do you believe that Hassan Piker's behavior is not merely left radical but psychopathic, demonic on some level. Hassan has known Charlie Persing for years, had conversations, dinners, and debates with him. Chris, I'm going to let you lead on with this one. Do you think it's left wing radical or do you think it's psychopathic? Oh, I mean, it's both. There's no question. I mean, look, when you go that far down the rabbit hole of thinking, for example, that America

1:36:23deserved to 9-11, which is something that Hassan Piker has said, right? When you frame the newspaper, I believe it was like from the New York Times or something like that, the day after the attack, and you put it behind your wall while saying that. I mean, there's no question that we're dealing with a level of evil, quite frankly. It's not a difference of opinion. Like one of the, I mean, one of the things I've tried to stress over and over again is that sometimes the other side hates you, does not disagree with you, hates you. Hassan Piker hates you. And I know this personally, because Hassan Piker helped dox me. It was Hassan Piker that called me out and basically instructed his audience to go and find my address and then make a bunch of AI video edits using ISIS videos inserting AI into it of me being executed by that. That's all, I mean, you can go look it up on on on on X all this is out there. And I had one of his followers who

1:37:28was in a Reddit chat call like they basically tip me off. They're like, I don't agree with you and I don't like you, but all these people are making AI porn of your children. So here's the deal. I'm not going to give Hassan Piker the credit of calling him a psychopath. That would assume that there was some sort of mental breakdown that he's not theoretically responsible for. I think Romans 1 explains his son Piker. I think that man suppresses truth and unrighteousness and has given his mind over and to depraved thinking. And that is worse. So no, I won't give him the credit of calling him a psychopath. I think he's a left wing radical and I think he's given himself over to a depraved mind where he can justify just about anything. It's also the reason why I think at this point, I think he's given sufficient cause to seriously consider denaturalization and deportation. Okay, trying to go through these quick, bones 701 should Gen Z expect to achieve the American dream. Okay, here's what we put out there. I think it's become more difficult. And I think as inflationary and monetary policy gets worse, it becomes more difficult. However, my daughter, who's 23 and her

1:38:33husband, they were able to buy a home and by the way, I gave them no money. Everyone says, oh, they have the bank of dad. Nope, I gave them nothing. I gave them nothing. What do they do? They prioritize certain things. They save really hard. They lived, you know, difficulty for a while and they bought a home so they can still do it. Here's the other thing though. I think we should reevaluate what the American dream is. And I don't mean to back away from the dream of owning a home and having a family and property. I think that's all good stuff. But my dream first and foremost was getting married and having children. Right? I would have wanted to do that, whether I could own the house or not. And here's what you find when you put God first. Again, this is going to sound cliche. It's not seeking first the kingdom of God and all these other things will be added into you. I was not trying to carve out a house before I was a good marriage and a good family. I'm glad that I eventually had the ability to do that. So no, I still think it's possible, but it will be getting harder, which means people are going to have to get smarter about how they go about it and what choices that they make. But I think it's ridiculous for boomers to look at

1:39:36Gen Z and say, well, I'll just do this. Okay, well, a lot of the policies that boomers and their previous generation put into effect, that's the greatest generation. Are the ones that created the conditions and so the seeds for Gen Z to be in this difficult situation? So no, I don't give up, don't give up, but understand that conditions have been set. They're going to make it very, very difficult to correct. And there's no correct in them without pain. But it's still possible. It is still possible. Okay. Next one from text Allie and question. Getting involved is my question. I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and I often feel very much on the outside as a Christian conservative. Any suggestions on making a difference in organizations. So here's what I would say. You have to do, you have to do an analysis for yourself on how likely am I to achieve an impactor. So the thing I always say is that if you're a Christian, your first question is God, what do you want me and what do you want me doing? Because he might have put you into some pretty difficult and dangerous situations. That's where you're supposed to be. That's where you're supposed to be. Period the end. But the idea is, is I do it. I do kind of a litmus test for myself when I

1:40:40left Virginia. I said, okay, is my state making it more difficult for me to provide for my family? Yes, and it's going to get worse. Is my state making it more difficult for me to build with a family? Yes, and it's going to get worse. Is my family making it, or is my state making it more difficult for me to build? Raise my kids and my family the way I want. Yes, and it's going to get worse. Okay. Well, is there any chance of me being able to change it right away? And that's a difficult question. Because once you answer that fourth question of, can you change it right away? Then you have to come to the realization that you're probably going to just going to be a tax farm for your enemies. And so sometimes moving is the right course of action. Sometimes moving is the right course of action. If you're going to choose to stay, the first thing you want to do is you want to get plugged into a good church. Be a positive influence in a church. Be the courage the church needs. I see a lot of guys talking about things like, I can't find any good churches. Okay, do you have a lot of people that have that same problem? Yeah, make one. Or go flood one and take it over and be a good church. Again, in the presence of good leadership support it in the absence of

1:41:45leadership provided. So one of the things you do is you try to, you try to find a good organization and make it better. If you can't find any good ones, start your own. And I know that can be like, how do I do that? It may be as simple as a men's Bible study. That may be your starting point. That may be your starting point because I'm guaranteeing you, if you have a hard time finding good organizations in your community, other people are suffering from the same problem and they might just be looking for somebody to provide some leadership. That's one of the ways you do it. Find it, find a good organization and see if you can make it better. If you can't do that, your next step might be to start one. And if you can't do that, next step might be to move. Okay, reminder, 90 or 9146, thank you for the super chat. I am a student at the University of Utah. I am leaning on the local Yaff chapter to invite you to speak. If the details could be worked out, would you? Yes, 100% would. Again, Yaff is a great way to go through that organization. They know me. I work with them all the time. So yeah, we can do that. If you're running any issues too, you can also go to booking at NickJFratus.com and we can try to make it work. We've got some stuff coming up at the

1:42:47beginning of the year, stuff coming up at the end of the year or excuse the beginning of next year. So we always try to get out there, but absolutely keep pushing. And if you do run into issues, we just can't get an answer maybe, which I've always found you have to be very responsive. But if you can't, book it at NickJFratus.com. We'll do everything we can and make it happen. Gary Duck, 7997, question, how do we counteract the influence of most media that pushes these clickbait sound bites, the bombard our children outside of our influence? Okay, a couple of things. Depending on the age of your children, they don't need social media. My kids didn't have social media until they were an age of maturity where I thought they could actually handle it. And even then I had control over it because they didn't own phones. I owned phones, which I left them use. And we allowed that to be the rule. And my kids honored it. Now, with their times where I had to say, we're taking this away, yes. But you have to choose based off of your kids maturity level, what level do you, they don't need smartphones. They don't need smartphones and they don't need social media. They just don't. Jonathan Hyde talks about this. That's one of the best ways to actually protect that influence.

1:43:49If your kids are going to public school, though, or any school, really, but public school, just understand, they're going to have access to phones, whether you give them one or not. Now, a lot of schools are starting to like ban the smartphones, ban the phones in school, which I think is a positive idea for the most part. So that helps a little bit. But that's how you combat it. First of all, you shut it off. And when they say, well, why can't I have this? You walk through and you explain it. You don't just say, my house, my rules, you say, because this isn't healthy for you right now. There's going to be a point where it's okay. But I want to properly equip you to be able to be to be able to use this effectively to where it's not hurting you. It's helping because there's a positive use for social media as well. And a lot of times, here's what I found with my kids. With all of my kids, if I just told them no because I said so, it invited rebellion. If I told them, don't do that because it'll hurt them and invited curiosity. If I told them, if I gave them a vision of what they were looking for that they wanted, I want to achieve that. Good. I'm going to show you a pathway and how to achieve it. And by the way, that pathway means you got to avoid certain things because you got to stay focused. I found that was the best way to be able to tell

1:44:53my kids that they couldn't have access to certain things because it was a distraction from what they really wanted. And as long as I could convince them or they were convinced it was what they really wanted and they trusted me to do it, I found that was made it a lot easier. A lot easier. Okay, the grand Puba $10. Thank you very much for your super chat. Can we uphold the Constitution and prevent the left from using it to tie our hands when we have power only to ignore and bludgeon us once they gain power? Christian. Can you and 30 seconds answer this question? No, next question. That's what I thought. So here's we are going to Christian and I are going to be putting together probably a series on just this question. Because there have been times in American history where our leadership did not think the Constitution was sufficient in order to deal with the crisis that we had. Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. There was a number of things that Abraham Lincoln did that violated the Constitution. And he didn't just do them with the Confederates states. He did them with border states states that it hadn't succeeded. And what he said was that the Constitution is not a suicide pack. Now

1:45:55you say that now when people lose their minds and you've got a reminder like okay, are you losing your mind at the Lincoln Day dinner? The Republicans are throwing. So I think we need to be honest about what is the nature of the threat? What mechanisms is the Constitution provide for? And are there ever times to suspend certain things? That is a very robust discussion that needs to take place. And Christian and I want to give it the time it deserves. And so that's what we're going to do. We're going to give it the time it deserves. And we're actually going to analyze these things. And like I said, we have some interesting guests that are going to come on and actually talk about this with us. And some people are going to say no, we need to stick to the Constitution. Other people are going to say I think we need to have some some spaces that we can operate. And other people are probably going to have some more drastic solutions. But our job is to try to have an honest debate because here's what I want. I want to preserve my country fundamentally which means I'm very, very skeptical of going outside the boundaries of the Constitution. But it's a conversation that we need to have because it has been done before in US history and arguably successfully. But again, we can't know unless we we have a good conversation.

1:47:00Okay, next question here, bones. Wait a second. Okay, there we go. Bones, 701. Wait a second. Okay, so no question. Can we stop peddling the gig economy? It isn't a solution. It's a coat. Do you really want to feudalist country full of people scraping for pennies? Okay, when did I pedal that? I said become a skilled tradesman. There's nothing wrong with the gig economy, by the way. I don't mind their being a gig economy. Gig economies can actually lead to some opportunities to be able to actually do what you need to do in order to become successful. But what I was encouraging was skilled trades and entrepreneurial ship. So here's what I'll say. I don't know what you were specifically referring to. But if you thought I was peddling the gig economy as the final solution to everything, I wasn't. The gig economy can be part of a larger solution. But really what it is is marketable skill sets, combined with private property rights and good entrepreneurial instincts. And a lot of these things can be taught. But people have to prioritize what they want instead of just believing that getting a college degree is the key to economic success. It isn't. It is it.

1:48:04Marketable skill sets are. That's what I was trying to say. So hopefully I wasn't misunderstood. If I said it poorly, okay. But don't assume too much. All right. Matt Fendora, thank you for the super chat. Thoughts on Governor Ventura and the AES and Wood Canada get embargoed like Cuba because for Carney and later invade Cuba because of nickel mining. Oh, he's right, dude. There's a lot of that. Governor Ventura, I don't know about the AES what's the AES Christian? I don't know. I don't know what AES is. That's one thing I always tell people don't assume we know the acronyms. I'm not sure what AES is in this contract. And Governor Ventura, I thought was, you know, again, I think he started off kind of libertarian and then went a little bit kooky if we're talking about the same guy. As far as Canada, I don't see Canada getting totally embargoed. I think the tariffs will be sufficient. My question is, is can we trade Minnesota for Alberta? I'm just kidding. We're not going to trade in Minnesota. Can we trade the Democrats in Minnesota for Alberta? Either way, I want Alberta. Yeah, I'm sorry. I can't give you

1:49:08the whole thing. I don't think we're going to embargo Canada under the current conditions. The trading is too important to both sides. But I think there will be, I think if Carney is trying to play chicken with Trump, that's idiotic and he's not going to win. Okay, next one, Todd, Todd of Dover. If you mean Dover, Delaware or Dover, you, okay, I think you have uphill Charlie's example. Well, your center, your talks on God, you approach people with grace. Thank you. Todd, it means a lot. I appreciate it. There's not too many compliments that you can get in this space better than being compared to Charlie in some way. And I do think Charlie fought very, very well. So thank you. I really, I really appreciate that. The J.J. Keyfer Show podcast, what would you say is the best way to go about talking politics with family? Like specifically, how do you do it in a way that avoids the most amount of conflict possible? I think a lot of it comes from asking questions and really mean willing to listen. We have a tendency sometimes with family. There's two ways that you end up kind of yelling at people, cutting them off and interrupting.

1:50:12One is online and one is with family. Typically, if you're having a conversation with somebody, especially if you don't know them as well, we actually tend to, unless you're like a leftist, we actually tend to default to politeness and courtesy. Family because we know each other, we're a little bit more likely to talk over each other and everything else. Here's what I found on my strategy in talking with family. To the extent of the conversation should be had, what I will ask questions, why do you think this? Why do you think that? Because what I'm trying to do is understand what is motivating the conversation or what is motivating the position that they have. A lot of times, if you can figure out that first, you can address the issue without conceding to their demands or their interpretation of reality. I found this with Christian apologetics. A lot of times, a bizarre statement was covering a lot of pain or was covering a really, really flawed understanding of something. But if you didn't ask the right questions, you never got to that. You assume that they were just being jerks, they were just being idiots.

1:51:13Let me give you an example. I was in a debate about the existence of God with somebody. He brought up this, we're debating the existence of God and brings up this bizarre thing where he goes, would you believe you can commit suicide? You go to hell. My response was, it's like, okay, whether you do or whether you don't, doesn't actually have any bearing on whether or not God exists. That's a red herring fallacy. You're taking something which is not relevant to the purpose of the discussion and you're trying to make it an issue. It's a red herring fallacy and I'm not going to address it. What I should ask was, why do you ask me that? Because if I ask why do you ask me that, he might have shared with me that his wife had committed suicide. See, this was a guy that was questioning whether or not God exists because he had some deep philosophical, scientific or historical problems with it. This is a guy that endured an incredible amount of pain and felt abandoned and betrayed by God. Because I was more concerned about winning an argument than I was about actually getting into the heart of why he asked me that question. I failed.

1:52:16I made a one the argument, point for Fredas, red herring fallacy, objection sustained. I failed. I failed on what God would have called me to do in that situation. A lot of times you're going to talk to a family, ask more questions, get to the root of what it is that's motivating them. Because at the end, you want them to know that you love them and you care about them because they're family and family is generally worth preserving unless it's gotten really bad. That's what I would do. Ask questions, genuinely care. In 3M3515-dash, call me crap guys. A question, do you think we will ever see the old format again of MTA where you three Nick, Christian and Tina are on? Yeah, I don't think it'll be a regular format. Tina and I are going to start doing marriage Mondays, which will again be Mondays. There will be other episodes where all three of us will be on. We're at a point right now where the studio isn't set up to do it. That should be changing as early as October. I'm hoping Tina will be on more. That's the answer to that one.

1:53:21Michael Osman, how you doing, man? When is the John level showdown happening? I don't know. I don't know. We still got to do our shoot off. I don't know when John's got an advantage we have shooting though. He runs the shooting school. I shoot a lot. I don't shoot as much as John, but it'll be interesting. I had somebody the other day say, one of these two man boys going to stop realizing that they actually agree in a lot more than they hate and start doing, like we're friends. We're doing this as a joke. Somebody informed Karen that she doesn't know what's going on. Good to hear from her. It's Michael Osman. Great to. Michael Bommer, thank you very much for the super chat. Nick is a man who has had to deal with apparatus, both in the military and civilian side. Is there a Bible verse that will help me to not strangle the next bureaucrat I have to deal with while I try to expand my business? I will say that the verse, and I'm always bad at the address. I always remember the context, but I forget the address. Obviously the verses which say to remember that our fight is not against flesh and blood, but the Prince of Alley's and the

1:54:24evils of this world. So we understand there's a spiritual battle going on as well. The other thing I would say that has been really impactful to me is, oh gosh, is it Philippians? I always screw this up. Sometimes they say Philippians and sometimes they say Ephesians. I think it's Philippians where God instructs us to whatever is good, whatever is noble, whatever is honorable, focus on these things. I struggle with that because so much of what we do in politics is focusing on the negative and the bad and the threats. And we're kind of designed to identify threats. And after a while it can convince us that it's all there is. I will tell you right now I've gotten the process of Friday, Friday being. I will shut things down. I'll put the phone aside. It's almost like a Sabbath. I can't call it that yet because we haven't fully done all of those things. But just the act of putting the photoside, putting the internet aside, having a meal with my family, praying over that meal, having discussions, and then spending the whole next day Saturday. I'm like, we just watch movies together or we'll talk about something and maybe we'll go to an

1:55:27antique store and look at cool stuff. That process of unplugging from the digital world and once again reorienting in prayer on my family. Oh, brother. Like that gives me the energy to deal with the own apparatus checks in my life. And so that's one thing I would encourage you to do. There's a reason why Charlie's last book was stopped in the name of God. And he talks about the whole purpose of the Sabbath and why it made the big 10, right? The 10 commandments. And I think there's something to that that Protestants need to once again re-embrace. The Christians need to once again re-embrace. Because I think God knew we needed that time. We needed time to unplug and we don't give it to ourselves. We have a whole lot less grace for the people that we have to encounter. That's what I would do. I would again focus on the good things. Remember that our fight's not a good slush and blood. And honor that day of rest that God tells us to take. We go. All right. In my sam, I'm God dang it. All right. Question. What counts as left and what counts

1:56:27as right? What distinguishes people can be tolerated and people who must be thought. Excellent, excellent question. Something else that I think, Krishna, I'm going to actually dedicate. Probably a couple of episodes too of really defining this left or right. Generally speaking, if we look at the spectrum of left, right politics and people argue that it should be a quadrant, not a spectrum, I'm not going to get into all those debates right now. Let's just say that the left wing politics has generally meant a much larger role for government in our day to day lives, whether it be with respect to management of the economy, education, healthcare, etc. If you're someone that generally wants more government control or more government involvement of those aspects that tends to fall on the left side of the political spectrum. If you generally want less government involved in your life, that is typically felt in the American tradition on the right wing perspective. Now, if you go over to Europe, there's a little bit of a different tradition there where conservative versus, you know, left versus right could be seen as more like, you know, monarchist versus, you know, others. So it's not a perfect thing, but in the American tradition, in the American tradition,

1:57:32left tends to be in favor of more government involvement, right tends to be in favor of less government involvement. When it comes to people who can be tolerated versus people who must be fought, I tend to look at that as when we get into people where, what is your definition of truth? The people that have essentially abandoned an objective standard for truth and morality are quickly approaching that area where I can't have a conversation with you because if there is no boundaries, I will say this, if they have fully embraced the critical theory interpretation of the world, and that is the oppressor oppressed dynamic, that is someone that has created conditions where they will not allow you to engage in civil debate. Everything that they are doing is poised to take power and and wrestled away from you. And so there is no truth for those people other than they're the ones that need to have power. So I would say that left versus right, you can still have a debate. Critical theory, they're placing themselves in a quadrant where they make debate impossible. Christian, do you want to provide some insight into that one as well?

1:58:35I mean, there's slippery terms, right? The very concept of left and right came out of the front revolution. And so like, I actually kind of disagree with Nick's definition here, if you define it as simply limited government versus big government. Well, I said in the entire of those political tradition, but like we borrowed those we borrowed those terms from the French Revolution, right? Those who sat on the right of the assembly wanted a strong monarchy. They wanted a constitutional monarchy. Those who were on the left side were Republicans. They were Jacobins basically. And Jacobins one out. Okay. Christian, without refining the French revolution, going in to a larger thing. Sure. Okay. The reason I say this, the Christian, regardless of where we borrowed the terms from, it's what have they meant in the American political tradition? And in the American political tradition, are you telling me that the right has not generally been associated with with closer association with let's just say the founding fathers, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, limited control of government, less government involvement in our lives,

1:59:36and the left hasn't generally been associated with more government. I mean, let's not nitpick this, like in my, I understand that there's a broader definition of life. I would look at it as some form of traditionalism versus progressiveism. Fair enough. And the reason I say that is because in a way, the right is actually not an ideological project. The right is simply not the left. The left is a project to liberate the individual from basically inherited institutions. It just turns out those are institutions that are actually essential in maintaining civilization. So to me, the best definition of left versus right is actually, are you willing to maintain and uphold and preserve the basic institutions that are necessary to perpetuate a civilization? Or do you want to liberate the individual from set institutions? Okay. And the left wants to liberate the individual at the cost of the civilization that created all of this. The right wants to basically

2:00:36maintain Western civilization or maintain the unique country that might exist within that civilization. That's the way that I would look at the divide. And I think that's fair because there's some people that do want more government, they do want more government involvement, maybe at particular time and place, in order to protect those various institutions. And so I will concede, I will concede that point. I'm also going to insist, though, that typically within the American tradition, that is what is defined American politics for as long as I've been alive and before. But I think Christians write. I think you can broaden that definition up to somebody that wants to protect what we would associate with traditional institutions. And some of them would apply monarchy or some of them would apply more government involvement or support in doing that and others would do less. So I will concede to Christian that I think that's a valid decision. Well, you know, I'll concede to Nick. And Nick's answer, I think, actually fits perfectly within that framework that I listed out when you're talking about

2:01:38individual issues. I think he's spot on like a good example is property rights. There's no question that the left right divide when it manifests in specific issues of that broader fight that I was talking about. The Nick's definition of more or less like free markets, individual liberty, unlimited government constitutes the right. Whereas more state control basically constitutes the left. But I wouldn't say that that's the entire divide. I would say that within specific issues of that larger civilizational struggle, Nick's answer is spot on. I think that's fair on left and right. Do you have a disagreement with me on the whole tolerated differences versus people who must be fought? I say the critical theory is that I think the critical theory is a very important distinction. I wouldn't limit it to that necessarily. But when somebody adopts critical theory again, by definition, they're kind of eliminating this idea of logical discourse because they don't actually recognize those categories. I mean, to me, it's more of like a

2:02:41the divide that distinguishes between say a disagreement that can be tolerated and you know, an enemy that has to basically be driven from your shores is does this enemy basically constitute a kind of existential threat to that entire world view that you have? So I mean, Nick and I have talked about this before. Like somebody that disagrees with me on tax policy is not an enemy. That might be a very strong disagreement. But somebody that comes along and says the world that you inhabit is one that I don't want to exist. And I will engage in politics for the explicit purpose of dismantling the world that you live in and replacing it with one of my own creation. That point, that's an existential disagreement. So somebody like a son Piker is an enemy. He wants the United States to fundamentally be something that it is antithetical to. Zoram is a good example. Abdul El Sayed is a good example. All these people are enemies because they fundamentally want the United States to be something that is antithetical to mine. Somebody that

2:03:45might not share my explicit fiscal or monetary views on policy, right? Or somebody who wants, I mean, a good example might be somebody who wants universal health care. I don't want an NHS system at all. But you know what? I mean, I live under Social Security, which I don't want either. I wouldn't say that somebody who votes for an NHS style system is, we're an existential enemy, and we basically want fundamentally different universes to live in. We're definitely opposed on policy, and I would never vote for a NHS style system. But I wouldn't put that person in the same camp as somebody who wants unlimited mass migration from the third world, dissolving the country's existence and replacing it with a Marxist dictatorship in line with communist China, which is basically what Hassan Piker's political agenda is. I put those in completely different camps. I'll put it into you again. Like, I wouldn't necessarily consider like, say, Bill Mar an existential enemy. I would consider that a Hassan Piker if you want kind of those examples.

2:04:46All right, we've got a couple more questions, and then we are, we're going to close that because we're coming up in the two hour mark. Shamut, five, Zuzer and I, in question. If I'm not too late to the party, are we able to admit that young people have legitimate grievances, which the left tries to exploit. Socialism communism is not going to solve the problems. Yeah, we talk a lot on that we've talked a lot on this that there are legitimate grievances that have to be addressed. Socialism communism, clearly not the way to do it. But part of the thing is that again, the conservative response to young people facing those grievances cannot be just work harder. It has to be actually addressing some of the fundamental issues. Some of it has to do with immigration. Some of it has to do with marriage laws. Some of it has to do with custody laws. There's a lot of things that we actually need to address. Did some of them are political? Some of it is spiritual. Some of it's on the personal level and the family level. So all of those things that exist and we've talked a lot about it and we've talked about how we're going in the future. We're addressing more of those things on the show. Xavier, 1822, thank you for the super chat. Completely off topic, but would you be willing to have a conversation with effective purpose on Christian marriage? I think I've, I think I've dealt with them before. I can't remember.

2:05:52Let me check it up. If you want to send an email to booking at nickjfredis.com, specifically mention effective purpose and this that we address this on the show today. And we will look into it. Yeah, we'll look into it. We're teeny and very, very passionate about saving marriages. So we like to Jeff, by the way, Jeff, hate the spelling of Jeff. I'm sorry. I have a hard enough time of spelling. Question, how do you maintain a healthy country when you don't have a functioning justice system? Okay, this is one of the parts where Christian and I will fight on this all the time. Christian will tell you I get very upset because I like precise language. I don't think that we have, I would not say that we have a completely failed justice system. I think it, I think it functions very, very poorly in some places and I think it functions very well in other places. For instance, when you go down to Florida and the sheriff gets out there and says, well, why did you shoot him 64 times? Because we didn't have 65 bullets. That's a functioning justice system. Why? Because the guy was breaking the law and he's sticking

2:06:53up for his officers. I lived in some places where you had Commonwealth attorneys or you had district attorneys where they were awesome. They were awesome. You had other places really sucked. So I think we need to be careful about not throwing everything into the same bag and saying they're all just bad. If you live in a place with a fully, if you live in this sort of place where you're justice system like California, I'm not going to, how do you maintain a healthy country where you don't, you don't, that's what's going on in California right now. That's what's going on in liberal states. You don't have a healthy society when you don't have a good functioning justice system. But the justice system is a result of other things. The way you get bad judges is you get bad either voters or politicians that appoint them. The way you get bad politicians is again, you have a culture. Oh, there you go. You have a situation where families have broken down. So these are all the things that you have to actually address. And if you're in a place, if you're at a place with a justice system has caused a real problem, well, then that's the part where you need to consider

2:08:00moving. And again, people don't like to hear this because they don't think they should have to. And I agree. I don't think you should have to. But do you want to live in a situation where you have an unjust justice system? Because I can say right now, I'm very confident in my functioning justice system here in Tennessee, very confident. So that's what I would say. We need to distinguish between words working where it's not working, reward words working, punish where it doesn't. Sometimes that means leaving. Okay, Jeffrey, what do you do when you find out your wife supports Lindsay Clancy? Holy crap. All right. File for divorce. No, you don't file for divorce because God hates divorce, but you need to have a very serious conversation with your wife, very serious. You need to find out why. Because there are some women that again, there are some women that bought into this because of their social circles. And it's about not wanting to be alienated because one of the ways that women did manifest aggression is through gossiping, shaming and rallying. And so if she's with a bunch of friends, and this is what the position that they've taken, there's a lot of

2:09:01fear about rocking the boat. Women try to maintain social continuity within relationships. And so again, it can be very alienating to them to feel like they're going to have to give something up if they speak out on this. So you need to sit down and have a conversation with your wife. If your wife's a Christian, there should be a slightly easier conversation because you should both be able to reference scripture first standard for truth. But asking those questions, when I saw all these women supporting Lindsey Clancy, I went to my wife and I'm like, babe, what am I missing? And she said, well, and again, my wife who doesn't support Lindsey Clancy, she goes, it is possible that if a woman has really battled with postpartum depression, they could feel some sympathy for that, especially if they think like the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industry screwed her over, where the doctors gave her really bad advice. And so what you might have is a woman that there may be certain important facts missing from the conversation that is loving them in that conclusion. And then when you introduce those facts, they're like, oh, she wasn't diagnosed with

2:10:03this? No, oh, she wasn't all these medications at once when she killed her kids. No, oh, I didn't know that, right? So that's the difference. You have to figure out is the support just hard core and there's something deep in there that's broken? Or is it something where she just has bad information and a combination of her own social circle and social media is basically spreading bad information? That's the real question here. If your wife is logical and reasonable, then you should be able to provide sufficient evidence to convince her that this is wrong. If your wife has a moral compass, you should be able to convince her on where the sympathy should properly lie. If she's struggling with both of those things, you might need to have a deeper conversation. And I don't recommend couples go to any counseling, only good, strong, doctrinal, biblical Christian counseling. But that might be a reason to have it because there are some issues that have to be, this is not just this is not finding out that your wife roots for the Dallas Cowboys, which in and of itself is pretty bad. This is something far more horrific and you need to have that conversation.

2:11:05All right, thank you very much Caleb for the super chat. Actual question, when do you overhaul the leadership of your IC on circle? Well, Caleb, if there is something specific that you need me to address, because we have people in there that, you know, I tend to respect and like. So if there's an issue with it, you can reach out to me booking at jfratus.com, bring up this point and reach out to me and we can discuss it or you know, I will say that we made an announcement a while back that, you know, Tina and I, we used to do a monthly meetup and some other things and we were kind of back in away from that because we were having a hard time doing it with all the travel that was taking place. And so if there's been some problems there or if there's some problems specifically, you want to dress up, I am promising you right now if you reach out to me, we'll address that and see see what we can't resolve. So again, I hope that helps. And again, all I can do is if you can reach out to booking at jfratus.com, the reason why that is helpful to me is because it goes to someone that I explicitly trust who will make sure that I know what the issue is. If you can give me some

2:12:08details, I will try to resolve it. I'll try to resolve it. I'll try to resolve it quickly. So once again, thank you all very much for being on. Again, I want to close with this. Charlie left us an incredible legacy and Charlie's legacy is his own. Nobody gets to diminish that. But Charlie also left infrastructure, groundwork and a plan. And a lot of that has gone by the way side as the right fights with themselves. A lot of that have gone by the way side as there's been some legitimate fights among the right that need to be addressed. And that's fine. We don't all have to agree on everything. There's been some other people that I think are just grofters. I don't even consider part of the team anymore. I just don't. And I don't say that quickly. Christian will tell you, I am not one to quickly move people out of the group. But when I do, I do, and it's for a very good reason. Here's what I will say, going forward, going forward. The reason why I admired so Charlie so much is because Charlie didn't just point to Charlie didn't just point to turning point USA. He just pointed to Christ. And I do honestly sincerely feel that that is the big

2:13:15problem. And I think a lot of us thought we were on the verge of revival. And I feel like we kind of missed a moment. We didn't miss the moment. We missed a moment. So here's what I'm going to challenge everyone to do. What I'm challenging myself to do, what I'm challenging Christian and our program and our team and what we're going to do is over the next couple of weeks. We are actually sitting down and we are looking at our entire strategy for how we actually help people answer the questions that you're answering here and how we actually do the things that need to be done. So let me give you some examples. Once again, if you're just coming in right now on what we plan to do one, team and I are going to start doing marriage specific episodes where if you are someone that is considering getting married, you are married. Maybe you got a great marriage. You just want to ask some questions. Maybe you're struggling and you need to be able to ask some questions to people that you trust that will give you typically based advice. Every Monday, we are going to start. It's probably going to happen in a couple of weeks here because we got some things ready. Every Monday, we are going to start just answering your questions. So if you want to ask a question anonymously that you need us to help you address, then we're going to dedicate all this time

2:14:18to making sure that we're effectively doing that. We're going to talk about those important topics. That's going to be part of our strategy to defend marriage. When it comes to defending the faith, we're going to start having a lot more programming where we focus on answering specific questions and how to defend the faith. How do you go deeper in relationship with God? And how do you be able to answer those questions that people have? Whether it's friends, families, enemies, whatever else, we want to be properly equipped to be prepared to give a response for the hope that is in you. So we're going to do that as well. So the other thing is we're going to start doing. Like in my book, The Man Book where I talked about the physical, the spiritual, the physical, the emotional, the intellectual, and the professional. We're going to start talking a lot more about how do we equip people? Because again, one of the biggest problems I think we have is everyone's looking for the next Charlie Kirk. And what I have said is I don't think we get another Charlie Kirk. And quite frankly, I don't think some of our enemies deserve a Charlie Kirk. But that doesn't mean that there's there isn't still a mission that exists. So we're going to help people find what is your mission? What is your role to play? What does God have for you? And how do you develop the skill sets? And how do you develop the networks to make you successful at it,

2:15:20spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, physically, and professionally? We are going to dedicate ourselves to anybody that really wants to honor his legacy, fight for this country, honor God. If you really want to do this and you're serious about it, then our whole we are going to dedicate ourselves to getting you connected with content, with networks, with resources, to make you more successful along those things. Distrinct in your marriage because I believe, and I believe this with every bit of me, if we really want to save the marriage, here's what it comes down to. Godly men and women become and godly husbands and wives become and godly mothers and fathers that raise their kids to pass it off to future generations. You show me a country that is actively doing that. And I'll show you a country whose politics I don't think you got to worry about. Now, having said that on the political side, we're going to have answers there too, because we have access to some of the greatest resources when it comes to grassroots campaigning. And we're going to separate the wheat from the chaff. There are some people up in Congress and

2:16:23your state legislators, legislatures that are doing a great job. There's some governors that are wonderful. There's some great work the president is doing. There's others, there's others that deserve to lose their seat. And we're actually going to talk about the specific mechanics that you can utilize. And we're going to talk about this ahead. Well, we got plenty of time to plan for 2028. We're going to set you up to where you are prepared in your area to have an outsized impact in the electoral process to where you can reward the guys that are doing a great job, and you can punish the ones that are not. And we're going to talk about that because it's go time. We're not going to come back here a year from now asking who's the next trolley clerk. We're going to come back a year from now with people that understand what the mission is that God is put in front of them. Because if you want to honor a trolley, I think that's a way to do it. And more importantly, it's the way to honor God and the way they save our country. So let's do all of it. Let's do all of it. And we're committed to be able to helping people figure out what that mission is and equipping you to be able to be more successful at it. Once again, thank you very much for joining. Really appreciate it. God bless you, Charlie Kirk. God bless you, Erica. God bless

2:17:27the kids. Thank you all very much for your service. And now let's go forward. Serve God, save our country, and honor Charlie. God bless God's speed. We'll see you next time.