This Isn’t Just About Books: The Cultural Fight Playing Out in Classrooms

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the hats that I wear yesterday. I was in DC. And we had wonderful meetings at night before,

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our liberties and honoring the God in which we got them. They were endowed by our creator.

All right, joining me today, the CPL action, Bonnie, when she knew she wasn't going to be here,

gave me a suggestion as a guest, which I always appreciate. And so Dan Kleinman is going to join us.

He is with safe libraries and has quite an extensive resume of experiences, I would say,

but I'm so glad to get to talk to him. Dan, welcome to the Tamira Scott show.

Yes, thank you very much. I appreciate it. So I'm going to, and you're on the road, I'll tell our

people you're on the road. So they should know you're taking time out, which is always a little tricky.

You never know what your connection's going to be and never know what the lighting's going to be.

So thank you for taking time out to join us and you're traveling with your spouse as well. And

I know what it's like to take time out. So thank you so much. Let's just say,

safe libraries. You've got a registered trademark on that. Explain to our viewers,

safe libraries. What is it? Safe library started about, I don't know, 25 years,

26 years ago when I decided that I wanted to protect my kid from inappropriate material in school

because she got a book that was completely inappropriate for a kindergartener.

And I said to myself, oh great, I have a beautiful wife, a house in the country and my kid is

going to a public school and I have to read her a book and I began to read the book. It was

completely inappropriate. I brought it to the principal and said, hey, why don't you give this book

to my kid? And after four days of review, she said, well, it's multicultural. And it was from our

librarian who's a member of the American Library Association using a list of approved books for

kindergarteners. And I was like, that can't be. And anyway, safe libraries started from that

a long ago when I tried to protect my kid and it came very clear that you can't just protect one

kid when one kid is going to a school where you have an American Library Association providing

reading lists for people that provide this kind of material. Yeah, so you saw a need and you did

something about it. My hat's off to you. I protected my children. I did what I needed to do,

but you started something else to help other parents. And so I appreciate that. Is it AFP

as an Americans for Prosperity that calls your group a clearinghouse for information about

challenging books? Is that AFP's at Americans for Prosperity? It might be. The author of

of SEPA, Ernest Istec also called me a trusted expert. I think that's where his words on what's

going on at the American Library Association. So I've had a few nice accolades from people who have

noticed. It's nice when they're nice because you've had a few not so nice as well. You want to tell

our viewers about some of those? Oh, well, I've been sued for defamation five times by various

librarians. I remember the American Library Association provides training to librarians to sue

parents just to tie up their time and their money. So since I'm quite vocal in how they harm

children, which is getting worse and worse. So I guess I'm not too effective if they just get

worse and worse. But because I oppose this stuff, therefore I get noticed and I get blamed and

I get called all sorts of names. And almost none of it is ever really true. But that's just the way

they work. If that's what you're referring to. Yeah. So when they sue you, have they been successful

or have you won? I won three out of five of those defamation suits. One of my my blog, my safe

library's blog was also adjudicated by a judge to not be defamation like no kidding. You just

report on what these people are doing. That's it. And the two, the latest cases are still ongoing

right now. So I'm in the middle of an anti-slap motion. But we haven't heard back from the judge.

So that's where it stands right now. Explain to our viewers what is anti-slap?

Anti-slap is when somebody in a public position like a school librarian, for example,

decides to sue you in order to silent for defamation specifically in order to silence you. So

slap means strategic lawsuit against public participation. These things can be so bad that states

have been passing anti-slap laws. New Jersey, which is one of the jurisdictions where she sued me,

has a very nice anti-slap law. And that is the one being used right now to try to stop this lawsuit

and force her to suffer the consequences of filing a fake lawsuit. Very good. All right, thank you.

And on this site that I have at safelibraries.blogspot.com, safelibraries.blogspot.com is where you can

read a little bit about Dan yourself. The name is KLEINMAN, KLEINMAN. You've got letters on there

that you've written the Washington Examiner in 2026, the American Library Association pornography

peddler. I can't imagine why they're upset with you. Letter to the editor by Dan Kleinman in

that's February 2026. Shame on PBS. The librarians is one of the librarians is one big lie to parents

and kids. So you've gone after PBS as well. Is that the deal? Well, yeah, PBS is showing this

Egypt prop film by the American Library Association. And putting their stamp on it and it looks like

it comes from PBS. It doesn't. It comes from the American Library Association. It just needs to

use librarians who are all crying. There is no balance to whatsoever. Even when you get to the end,

you realize what a joke it is because in the last 30 seconds, the librarian who's been speaking

throughout who's very covered and you can't see her face. She's just talking because it's all a

mystery. She comes out in the last 30 seconds and reveals who she is. You realize right away it's

a joke. They do seriously. The part of the adje prop, the reason why it's propaganda is they do

things like provide a half quote right before the comma from Dwight D. Eisenhower who spoke at Cornell

University in 1954 stating don't join the book banners. Don't be afraid to go into the library.

And read every book on the shelf. The only thing that should stop that is your decency. That is

the only kind of censorship that should be allowed. That's what he said, which makes sense. That's why

parents don't want these inappropriate books and schools. But the American Library Association

and the movie cut off that quote after the comma and left out the decency in the censorship part

because that's what they do. They'd give you half truths to spin things their way to mislead people

so that you end up doing what they want you to do but don't have the power to force you to do

except if they get you to think the way they think and then you'll do what they want.

And by cutting off the last half of that, they may mislead many but others will look that up

and find that from what you're saying it appears that the quote from Eisenhower backs up exactly

what you're doing except in cases of decency where decency is an issue. So it looks like he's

actually supporting what you're doing. We've got to go to our first break. We'll be right back.

Dan Kleinman is my guest. Safe libraries is what we're talking about but we're dealing with it

here in Iowa. You know we just had a ruling on a case. We think it's positive but the ACLU said

it's not over so there's more. Stay tuned.

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Now, he says that he forced the ALA to finally admit, after decades, viewing child

pornography should not be allowed. It used to advise librarians to ignore child pornography by

claiming only judges could determine what a child what child born and police should not be called.

I've affected all libraries, significantly improving safety for children nationwide, both in

libraries and displayed in child porn videos, patrons and libraries alike. I did this with my

co-writer and a few others. That's from you, Dan. This is what you've done. When was that? When

when, I mean, they were literally telling you that only a judge can deem what is pornography?

Are you kidding me? No, it's published, I think, in the Seattle Intelligencer where she says this,

if I'm not mistaken, I've been at this for 26 years. Where she would be Judith Krueg, who was the

person from the Illinois ACLU, a board member who joined the ALA and created the office for

intellectual freedom and the Freedom to Read Foundation, and later the Band Books Week,

and she's the one who basically changed the American Library Association from the inside

to one where it now basically goes after the children instead of protects them. So what she was providing

the guidance to librarians was, you don't know what child pornography is because you are

just librarians. You don't know from the law. Only a lawyer and only a judge can do that, and

then only on a case-by-case basis. So if you have five websites that somebody's looking at that

that look like child porn, there's no way that that's child porn because it hasn't even gone to

a judge yet. So you need to protect that library patrons' rights. That's the excuse, that's the

sword they use with the Constitution, right? With the 9-11 terrorists, one of them was caught in a,

I think, Delran Florida Library, and the librarian reported the terrorist to the police,

and Judith Krueger said in the New York Times that she wished that the librarian had followed

the patron privacy rights instead of reporting the 9-11 terrorists to police. That's what we're

talking about here. So every time you hear a librarian talking about the law, like right now with

HR 7661 about preventing the sexualization of children in schools, and then they come out and they

make all kinds of political, legal claims about what's legal and what's not. At the same time,

they're being trained to ignore child pornography because they're not lawyers and they're not judges,

and they're in no position to make that decision. There's always a double standard of two-faced

view to these people and whatever face it takes to promote their harm of children is the face that

they put forward. I've been at this for 26 years. This is so consistent. It's unbelievable.

So ignore parents, dismiss pornography, and then lift up the courts as the only, or the judges,

as the only one who can do this. All right. In one of your posts, you call them Marxists.

Now this is Dan Kleinman at Occupy Libraries, and this is September 11, 2022. These Marxist

librarians have filed a lawsuit against some parents in Louisiana who dared to report on child

indoctrination. Here's how to fund the parents because you are next. All right. So when you say

okay, two things here, when you say they're Marxists, did they come after you for calling them

Marxists or is that something they're okay with and maybe loud? Nobody's coming after me for

calling them Marxists. They're coming after me for calling them groomers because now I just

call them groomed librarians. How many times do they want to call parents Christian nationalist

extremists, right-wing, whatever? Hey, we can call them something except when we call them

groomed librarians. It's what they're doing. It's what they're saying they're doing. It's

what they're bragging about to each other. We can see these inappropriate books spreading

throughout American libraries and school libraries in particular. It's just what's happening.

The names they call us is nothing to do with reality. It's just a means of avoiding the issue.

The issue is that the American Library Association is misleading communities into allowing children

to access an appropriate material. Like with 7661, their opposition to this new bill from

Representative Mary Miller is that you can't stop obscenity because obscenity is covered under

the Miller case. Well, guess what? The bill doesn't even mention obscenity. This is another trick

from the American Library Association. They create like a straw man argument that obscenity is

involved in that bill, which it isn't. And then they say, well, because it's obscenity,

it needs to go to every judge. It needs to be looked at as a whole. It just never happens. It

literally never happens, which is why they promote that. As the reason why you should all examine

your books and if they fail the Miller test, then kids can keep reading them. But that has

nothing to do with anything. The problem is that this organization continues to mislead the public.

They're misleading in 7661 by calling it obscenity bill and a book ban bill, which it is neither.

But because they know that Miller is a loser for parents every single time, that's why they promote

this. Everything they say very carefully. Okay, so I want to come back to this. Yes, I'm going to

come back to you. We have, we have the video and I will put it on the Tamir Scotch show page for

our viewers of the House here at the Senate hearing with Mike Lee. Good words from him. I can't

play that for our viewers. So I'm going to kind of just kind of take them through it a little bit.

But he's basically the same thing you're doing. He calls out Deborah Caldwell Stone legal counsel

for the ALA. And I do have that clip. We'll play what she said in just a minute. He's ultimately saying

that they're sustained messaging refrains the issue as we've seen on so many other things.

The idea that these books are not inappropriate for minors is sexually inappropriate or not the

issue. That's not what they talk about. They bring in diverse materials and programs and inclusion.

And this is why we had to have these books here. Anything else you want to talk? Oh, we'll go

to Art Blue. Boys aren't blue. I want to go to that website that Amazon to talk about that book in

it. That anything. I do want to say it's a 93 second film. Watch this thing carefully because it's

a jaw dropper to actually hear the lawyer leader of the American Library Association providing

training on how librarians can take what they know to be sexually inappropriate material

and turn it around as diversity before stuff becomes legislation. They know they're doing this

stuff. They're trading on it. They're getting away with it. So I wanted to provide that framing.

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but our guests are viewers as well. So here we go. But ultimately we found that the thing that

needs to happen most and it needs to happen before these bills are introduced is sustained messaging

that reframes this issue that takes it away from the idea that these are inappropriate for miners

or sexually inappropriate for miners and promote them as diverse materials and programming that

are about inclusion, fairness and the protection of everybody's right to see themselves and their

families reflected in the books and the public library. Okay, so we just heard it. You're aware of

what it says, but she's basically reframing it and that we're promoting it in diverse materials

programming. All right, so let me ask you, do you want to say anything about her before we go to

the book? Because I want to go to the Boys Aren't Blue Book. She was recently downsized out of the

American Library Association, but it's the problem is still there, but that's that's all I want to

say about hers since you asked me. Okay, so is it because people like you have exposed her because

things like that that she said were so out there. I don't personally think so. I think it's because

the American Library Association management has been so poor. They put for example all of their

money into ESG funds, you know, because that was politically correct and they lost the ton of money

right there and they're in a bit of a trouble right now that some of the lowest memberships right

now ever too, which doesn't help at all. So I think it's their own bleeding out that's causing a

problem. So let me ask you a question on that. I know we've got legislators working on the library

situation. The ALA is often a concern and promoting materials that are not good for kids and

making it difficult for libraries to clean up. And we'll come back to this too. We want to talk

about the fact that nobody's pushing a ban here. We're not talking about banning books. We're

talking about regulating what is before kids like we do cigarettes, alcohol or anything else. All right,

so so we're not talking about the banning of books here now. Okay, go ahead.

We're not only not talking about banning of books. We're talking about the application of a

Supreme Court case from 1982 that has already been made and has already legal and has already

ruled constitutional. And that is keeping educationally unsuitable and pervasively vulgar books

out of school libraries. That's what we're talking about. It's already been asked and answered.

It's the American Library Association that lies about the Pico case and pumps up the Miller case

to fool people into thinking the Pico case doesn't apply anymore and now only the Miller case

does. And as a result, everything goes. That's just false. So we're just seeking the application

that exists in laws. In some cases, some states like in New Jersey have statutes for obscenity for

persons under 18 like to see 34-3, obscenity for persons under 18. That doesn't have the Miller case

test, you know, the obscenity test in it. It just says if stuff isn't appropriate and

and it's a bunch of other things, you can remove it or somebody's guilty of pushing it on kids

like school librarians. But everybody assumes that they're angels that would never hurt a fly.

So they get kind of get away with this. And then they know this. So they try to add exemptions

into their Freedom to Read Act laws that are going across the United States at the ALI's

pushing. And they want to specifically exempt librarians from these obscenity statutes.

Well, why do they need to do that? Yeah, right, right. Exempt the ones who are doing the damage.

All right. So I'm going to go to Senator Mike Lee is talking about these books and saying they're

these are like these are for they're very graphic. They're depicting sex acts in some of the

situations of the book we had in Iowa just recently that we were it was a subject of not a book

but restoring the library to a safe place for children kids thinking as as as Lee said in this hearing

these folks can go anywhere else and get this book. It's available all kinds of other places.

We're not banning these books. We're saying not in front of kids where it's not age appropriate

or appropriate sexually for for for minors. Okay. So I said that all right. So I just looked up this

book to see what it was. And I may have it on my shelf over there to be honest with you.

Goodread says all boys aren't blue is a young adult nonfiction memoir manifesto by journalist

and activist George M. Johnson. Okay. So that's where they say adult nonfiction. But this could be

a conservative. So I you know a conservative website. So let's go to Amazon selling the book.

We'll see what Amazon says about it right there in the description. It does call it a man memoir

manifesto. It says that it's a series of personal essays award-winning author and LGBTQIA

plus activists remember the plus is MAP minor attracted persons but they don't always put that one

on there because they're not so inclusive themselves by the way. Then it says right but then it says

from the memories of getting his teeth kicked in it just sounds like a terrible book. I don't think

I'd have my grandkids read for just some of those issues but that last sentence of that third

paragraph this young adult memoir weaves together the trials and triumphs faced by black queer

boys. This young adult memoir leave aside the sexually explicit descriptions that apparently are

here. They themselves call it young adults. So what does that mean to you? And then the next paragraph

it says all boys aren't blue covers topics such as gender identity toxic masculinity. So there's your

there's your agenda because that's you know a term that's fairly, you know,

pejorative brotherhood family structural marginalization consent black joy Johnson's

emotionally frank style of writing will appeal directly to young adults young adults what age

is that to you Dan? Well young adult what doesn't matter what anything is to me that's really not

the issue. The issue is how how are how is this affecting children? So to the American Library

Association which has almost total control young adults means 12 and up so somebody who is not

even a teenager is a young adult to the library association is 12 and up? Yes I even got John

Green that the author John Green made several movies used to be an ALA employee. I even got that

author to admit to me that he would never get give his own book I think it was looking for Alaska

to his own 12 year old he thought it was for ages 14 and up but the American Library Association

gave it awards for kids 12 and up. So even the author admitted to me that he would never give it

to his own kid at that age. Like Madonna doesn't let her kids watch her videos and like the Silicon

Valley folks don't let their kids have iPads in the classroom. Okay interesting all right so

okay but what you're talking about is this young adult situation and it for our viewers

Basil Baz comes on this show he has the association for the recovery of children going after

children who have been kidnapped by a non-custodial adult or put into trafficking sexual trafficking

exploitation and he we've talked about the law in Idaho I believe it is where if you sexually

molest harm rape a child in that manner you could face a death penalty by firing squad but it's

12 and under and Baz told you then he did not like 12 and under because he felt like it was the

agenda to lower the age of consent to 12 that's his concern when I hear you talk about young adults

according to the American Library Association going down to 12 when I hear that here in Iowa

parents weren't allowed to go into their own child's medical appointment if they were 12 without

permission from the child though they're paying for it this is making me think this is much bigger

than just a few things here and there this is an all-out agenda we've got to go to our break we'll

be right back Dan you be ready to come back on that and we'll we'll come back right to you stay

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libraries dot blog spot dot com dan i just mentioned the twelve year old young adult

what they're setting these kids up for i told you i would let you comment when it came back

it is yours well look i have no idea why anybody lets some organization from Chicago

Illinois come into their communities and let them set the standards for how they should handle

their children their schools using i don't know what that is i don't know how they

they do this they set up a system whereby there are so many ways that the american library

association of Chicago can control what goes on in schools and school libraries and public

libraries one of the ways is by saying twelve year olds are young adults no they're not but

that's what the a-l-a says they are another way is by giving books awards they gave looking for

Alaska an award that got it to be on the shelf of my local grocery store right next to a bob the

builder book right so that had inappropriate stuff in it i mean it wasn't the worst the world

but it was uh it was inappropriate for bob the builder uh and then they gave awards two awards

the genderqueer so now that's in every school ever it was languishing on the shelves for a while

even the author said it was for uh you know adult-ish kids um but uh that doesn't matter to the a-l-a

now it's in middle schools and and everywhere so if you're asking me about how this happens i don't

know how it happens i don't know why people let this organization make up how they should handle

them oh man maybe they're just lazy and they say oh well at the librarians handle it they act

like they know what they're doing and everybody thinks that they do well when you were talking about

the a-l-a is you know somewhat hurting financially and i do believe there are a lot of cities and

other or um communities who are pulling away from them because of the way they behave because

they're disrespect for parents and because they've been so unworkable apparently on some of this

when you say they're willing to come after they're training they're literally training how to

come after parents right they did this in Louisiana uh yes the latest if i may have the latest

examples in Rutherford County Tennessee where um the this the library board um stopped uh

applying a-l-a policy and got rid of all the a-l-a recommended policy because the a-l-a

recommends inappropriate material for kids this young as 12 they got rid of that policy and they

implemented their own and then they said we need to move a certain number of books some many of

them were trans books into the adult section and you library director take care of it and she said

i ain't taking care of that i believe in the american library association and they say that the

supreme court that the uh first amendment over rules pico and obscenity statutes and common sense

and community standards and everything and your kids are going to continue to get this stuff so

they fired her and uh and what happens is the american library association doesn't brook anybody

opposing them so they've gotten together over i don't know 140 thousand dollars for this person to

sue on a go fund me because this is what they do and they're going to go uh and eventually sue that

county and see what happens to force those trans books from the adult section back to the children's

section they're not even taken mad at the library uh did i answer your question i forget where i was

going with this but this is a latest example of how the a-l-a controls local communities and if you

don't go along with what the a-l-a wants they're coming after you in a large group that they brag

about to each other and i've written about multiple times hundreds for example come out to uh

400 people came out to a school board meeting in new jersey 44,000 emails went to uh

legislators in Louisiana all from american library association community organizing tactics

they even create local uh groups in local communities hundreds of them you might think that they're

just parents who really care about the first amendment no they don't they were paid by the american

library association to create this group they did and they now act as a local group and then

they allow the local groups to sue parents nationwide there are multiple parents being sued right now

uh essentially by the a-l-a but by local groups that people that the a-l-a created essentially

that that is what's going on nobody's stopping it nobody's stopping it because we don't have help

we don't have the resources the american library association has to bring this giant pressure

campaign down on local communities parents are being sued need help and we need to stand up against

the american library association and stop them from spreading what they're uh spreading which is

now lately grown into this anti-Christian hate frankly yeah when i heard the term mask toxic masculinity

i thought of national christian christianism or national what is it christian nationalist christian

nationalist as if that's bad and as somebody else that if you're not a christian nationalist you'll

likely be a marxist at some point soon under marxist control at least so i didn't say it somebody

else did but it makes sense to me all right let's play if we can the clip from kcc i-tomis we don't

have to we don't have to go into a representative hold representative is head of judiciary and he did

put a great quote on it on on facebook let's just go to the kcc i report there isn't ad there

isn't ad first you'll want to get the ad out of the way but this is the the one we're talking about

here and in the story of kcc i i think they say that the aclu has said yes we we you know we may

have lost this round but the battle isn't over i mean they're purposely they're okay they're so

bent uninsuring that these books with the obscenity are in front of kids they're not happy apparently

as you say you're not even taking them out of the library but they're not happy with them being

around a corner or on a higher shelf where they have to have a library and give them to them or

maybe even parental notification before they check them out they want them right in front of kids

all right watch this ad now can our guess you won't be able to hear it oh shoot okay i'll try to

stop it like we did last time when we broke when we shared this news friday with the school board

member former school board member david davis i'll block it and i'll i'll stop it and i'll read

it i'll tell him what they're saying all right let's go it's just a minute break news and for

a court of appeals decision has now overturned a preliminary injunction that prevents i was so

called book ban law from taking effect yeah the law so they've already called it david it's

newscasters and they're saying we're stopping the so called book ban so called because

it's not a book ban but the new media is helping um what what's your friend called adge

prop adge prop propagate the laws the lies all right all right let's go ahead and place some more

this books depicting sex acts from being used in schools it also requires schools to prioritize

age appropriate instruction and prohibit instruction relating to gender identity or

So it talks about books depicting sex acts and I'm told the books are talking about where a very graphic extremely graphic and so the news anchor just said these books that this is to to to to remove books depicting sex acts and then some on the gender LGBTQ and to from what I was told from the school board member.

It's not because they're gender LGBTQ. That's not just the issue. It's that they were so graphic. Why are those books so graphic? You want to comment?

Yeah, LGBTQ is sort of not the issue at all. That's just the excuse that the librarians use to try to silence us or to get other people to stop listening to us. Right. There are a ton of LGBT books out there and nobody's gonna stop it and nobody's gonna do anything about it.

But if I have sexually inappropriate material on it, now you've triggered the pico education and suitable or provisively vulgar standard. Now you've triggered the state of some of the statute standard that the ALA is trying to overturn various states. That's the issue. When they talk about somebody is an anti as a homophobe or something like that. What they're really saying is don't listen to him listen to us. We're right. We're librarians.

We know what we're doing and you just go along and they don't want to discuss the issue. In fact, they never they never appear with any opposition against anybody ever for years.

The last time I saw the ALA get open opposition was with Phyllis Schlafly when she interviewed Judah Krug many years ago.

And I guess they learned their lesson that you don't want to say anything because somebody might actually say no, you're misleading people and then people might actually think are they misleading people.

They don't want people to think are they misleading people. They just want people to think that pico doesn't apply anymore. Miller case does your kids need these books or you're not an American and you're a Christian nationalist extremist. That's what they want people to think.

All right, Thomas, let's just play the rest of that clip of the can.

Full orientation in kindergarten through sixth grade. Parts of the law have been on hold ever since the preliminary injunction went into effect last March.

In its statement, Iowa Attorney General celebrated the ruling saying, quote, parents should always know that school is a safe place for their children to learn.

Not be concerned they are being indoctrinated with inappropriate sexual materials and philosophies and quote the ACLU of Iowa calls the ruling a setback, but not the end of the fight.

The case now goes back to a district court for further consideration.

So Nathan Maxwell the ACLU here in Iowa. This is a setback, but they're not, but they're not done with the fight and part of what they said as well as these books.

We talked about the sexual orientation. They want those in front of kindergartners K through six. They want them in front of kindergartners.

And I would tell you parents out there, be careful because I would tell you they're in front of preschoolers in very maybe more subtle ways, but they are in front of your preschoolers.

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All right, more on this, Dan, anything else?

Yeah, I'll give you an example when it comes to the ACLU and the ALA and the National Coalition to get censorship and whatever.

I could go on with various groups that provide this pressure, but what it is, it's pressure to get people to cave.

So, for example, when I was first involved in the first matter that Safe Library is handled, it had to do with playboy that was available to children in the Oak Lawn Public Library in Illinois.

And eventually, everybody decided, everybody on the board decided unanimously to stop the subscription to playboy, because they didn't want the children to get access to it anymore.

And the library director refused to listen to the board and said, no, he was on the American Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee.

He said, no, they have the intellectual freedom to look at playboy.

Even though the board unanimously said, get rid of it, stop the subscription.

So, the town did nothing. So, I actually called up the mayor of the town.

I said, hey, mayor, he's a Democrat, right? Because this is not a Democrat Republican issue.

This is everybody knows. This is inappropriate, except for the, you know, I said to him, why are you like not doing anything about this?

And he said, oh, we got a letter from the ACLU. They're threatening a lawsuit. We're a small town.

We don't have the time or the money for this. So, we're just going to let it go.

This is how it works. This is how this is my initial time on Safe Library 26 years ago was to find out from this Democrat mayor that the ACLU was going to sue.

After the board unanimously chose to stop a subscription to playboy magazine because children could access it.

And it just keeps going on. They keep intimidating people.

Even school librarians get their lawyers to intimidate parents who talk up at school board meetings.

That meeting where that lady got the 400 people to show up.

She wrote a letter to a mother who spoke at a school board meeting and said this stuff was inappropriate.

And that letter resulted in that mother never saying word won again anywhere at any time.

It was dropped because this is what they do. They threaten. They scare.

And there's nothing in the back. This is why we really need help parents.

There's no group that helps us. There's just this giant American Library Association getting money from all sorts of major groups.

22 million from melon foundation, for example.

And then they bring these actions across the United States and against parents and schools.

And there's no way to defend. There's no funding for us to counteract this.

There's no major group. I'm actually trying to create one called World Library Association.

But it's not around yet. Right now there's nobody helping us.

We're also funded against this giant groups that pressure people left and right for years and keep pushing this agenda.

Nobody stops it. Nobody helps us.

So I do believe if enough people get involved, the money.

The money will not be the issue. It will be the voices will outpower them. I do believe that.

But it is frustrating as a Christian serving in God with a thousand cattle on a thousand hills that we are the ones who are always up against the big dollars on the other side.

It makes no sense to me. All right, we've got to go to our third and final break.

When we come back, I want you to talk to us one about the bill that you mentioned at the US House.

If that's something we can get behind, what we can do, the action we need to take.

And then encourage parents right here in their communities what they do need to do.

Understanding the threat, the lawsuits. Thankfully you didn't back down.

Thanks to your family for your strength and standing with you and standing up against this because we don't get wins.

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Dan Climent. I know in the decades of work that you have been doing on this. You and I were chatting the other day just about experiences you've had and stories you have.

You have my friend about four minutes left. I'm just going to let you roll. Tell us what's important, whether it's the bill that you're talking about from Mary Miller, Congresswoman Mary Miller.

Is that something we need to get behind? What do we need to do? And just these are your four minutes.

Thank you. Well, the biggest thing that people need to know is they need to learn about this stuff because they're not learning.

They don't know. They assume the librarian world knows what's going on. And then they get rolled over in their kids get rolled over.

So you need to learn about what's going on and what you can do about it and maybe get involved. Maybe parents need to get organized.

The second is that we really do need some funding. And I'm hoping that a big listener, maybe like an Elon Musk or somebody can listen to this and help parents out because we are defending against an organization that's trying to sexualize our children.

As to HR 761, I'm going to read a little bit because I can't remember this one because it's new. So I haven't had it for 26 years.

It's called the Stop the Sexualization of Children Act. The American Library Association calls it the Band Books Act.

And basically, it provides no funding funding, which is okay. Remember, this was okay in the CEPA case, US versus American Library Association 2003, where you can withhold funding from a library if they didn't filter the Internet.

So this does the same thing. No funds under this act may be used to develop, implement, facilitate, host, or promote any person or program or activity.

For or provide for their promote literature or other materials to children under 18, that includes sexually oriented material, including any that exposes them to new adults stripping, loot, or lascivious dancing.

That's what it says. No where does it say obscenity, but the American Library Association says that it's against obscenity. Why?

Because they're making up a fake argument to go against this bill, because they know obscenities, a loser already, because under the Miller case, nothing has ever ruled obscenity, except the initial material, which was pornographic advertisements in somebody's mailbox, or whatever it was, has nothing to do with the school library like Pico does.

So there's a crowdsourcing going on right now to try to pressure the government, like they always do, like she says before this stuff becomes legislation.

They got a hundred groups together. Many of them are created by the American Library Association. They're all friends with the American Library Association.

It's essentially the same American Library Association. Stating don't pass 7661, because this will violate the First Amendment rights of children and take away the ability of trans kids to see themselves because books save lives.

Well, guess what? After the Finnish study that just come out last week, we now know that trans kids doesn't save their lives. It actually makes their lives worse. These books are literally harmful. This is harmful material.

They need to come out of libraries. We have an existing standard called the Pico case where we can get rid of educationally unsuitable material. Anything that's harmful can be removed from the library.

So I say support 7661, read it and understand it, and then carefully read what the librarians are saying about it, and how they're crowdsourcing themselves, and they're all the same group, and make it look like they're different people they do this all the time.

And do try to support this bill and others like it.

All right, and people can find you at safelibraries.blogspot.com. You're also on, give us some of the handles you're on and some of the other social media platforms.

I'm at safe libraries on X. You know, another important thing to say is that the US IMLS could take the place of the American Library Association with regard to producing standards and accrediting schools.

Why should the American Association of School librarians produce standards for students which contain things like media literacy?

Well, when you actually read the media literacy, which sounds great, it sounds great to you and everybody needs to know media literacy, but when you actually read the ones from the American Library Association, it's about community organizing to promote a political point of view.

That's what their media literacy is. It's literally training for how to go out and promote the American Library Association's latest move for whatever the political thing they are.

Which is where I have I have the agit propped agit propped on I'll put it on our Facebook page for everybody, but we are out of time, Dan. Okay.

I hope you'll come back. I know can we tell people where you're headed?

Where am I headed? I'm headed to remove the American Library Association.

But aren't you headed to DC?

Oh, yeah, I'm headed to DC.

There you go. Fighting on our behalf. So thank you so much for that. And I still appreciate work that you're doing.

Yes, I'd love to have you back any time. Good information for reviewers. There you go. The bill, HR 761.

You need to not listen to the ALA. They're the problem apparently and you're coming between you and your children and keeping them safe, keeping them protected, letting you be the parent decide what they see and what they don't see.

So there you go. If the ALA wants to have time on this show to come back and correct anything that's Dan said will allow them to do that.

And we're probably going back Dan back at the same time to have the discussion.

So as we've heard it today, there we are. You are the parents. God gave you your children. They're the only thing on earth. You're only possession on earth.

You can take to heaven with you, but you've got to get them there on their own. And you can't let them be abused or misled in the process.

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