This One Mistake Could Affect Your Future Kids | Ben Greenfield & Robby Besner | DSH #1889

Diet Coke has one and Coke zero has another, but it's one in Diet Coke, and if you actually

wanted to reach the levels of that artificial sweetener intake that shows some type of cancer

causing or neurotoxic, you'd have to drink like 77 cans of Diet Coke. This newer study came out,

and this was like in the past year, that showed that when you get to the equivalence of a much lower

amount, it's like one to three cans. They were showing changes with parameters related to anxiety,

like the ability to be able to manage stress. So basically what that means is like if you have

a wicked Diet Coke habit, you might have kids who are more prone to anxiety. Alright guys, here

at A4M with Ben and Robbie. Ben, it's good to see you again, man. Good to be back. It's been two

and a half years. I'm sure you've done a lot since. I've done a lot. I see you have a toothbrush

on the table. I do. There's going to be like coral pairs, 101. It's a red light toothbrush. Yeah,

we just came out and I have something like this. Oh, yeah. Red and blue light. You always got the

new gadgets, some vibration. What's the, what's the effect just like better white meat? Well, no,

I think it changes your your own bacteria in a sense, you know? Yeah. Strips, if you've got any kind

of non-beneficial bacteria that takes their biophilms, little strip back biophilers and stuff like

that. I'm actually fun. Yeah. I'm a big like oil puller, yeah, tongue scraper, because I've

interviewed, I've interviewed in the Ayurvedic Docks, but I love oil. Yeah. Morning routine thing,

like drinks that water and scripted tongue and coconut oil pulling. I feel fresh and clean. Damn,

I might have to start doing it. Tongue scraping, I'll do that one. Yeah, it's worth it. Yeah,

what do you see coming after tongue? I don't really see much at all. Oh, yeah. But apparently from a

preventive standpoint, it keeps bacteria like, yes, well, from wanting up in your GI tract. God,

after a night of being in your mouth. You know, in traditional Chinese medicine, they'll look at your

tongue for diagnostic purposes. And oftentimes if you've got an overgrowth of bacteria or bad bacteria

and you're gut, it'll start coming up and you'll see a coating on your tongue in the back. So by,

by, you know, scraping and so forth, you can keep a little bit of balance in that area of your body.

Yeah, I'm starting to like adult rush. I'm starting to take my oral health seriously. I had a

wake up call a couple months ago, seven cavities. Oh, geez. Yeah, I was like, what the fuck? Because I barely

eat sugar. I was going to say like, no, I'm a mouth rooter though. So I heard that as is it? Yep,

exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's something about the, like the dry air and the way that moves to a mouth.

And where in Vegas? So it's the drier. Yeah. Do you mouth tape? I used to, but even

mouth tapes, bro. I got it. I should I start again? Is it worth it? You think I'm outdated? I'd

night. Um, I swear, well, I don't swear by it. Like I can get by without mouth tape, but I get

better sleep. Really forces you to nasal breathe. You have to find a good strip that's not going to

come off. And then if you go with something that's got too much adhesive, you got to like the

chap lips bleeding website in the morning. So it's a fine balance. And then because so I'm married.

Yeah. And so if you have like nighttime pillow talk, you have to time it right about the time when

you think she's done talking. You don't have anything left to say. And the tape goes on. You

kind of go. So yeah, I'm married 45 years. So my wife does that. We don't tape during the night.

She tapes me during the day because she says I talk too much. So yeah, I laugh, but that's a

thing. That's like the Spartan negotiator thing if they would have the young warriors do to,

you know, like go on a run with a mouthful of gravel or water to force you to nasal breathe. Yeah.

That's a, there's a guy who's pretty popular in the respiratory space, Patrick McCown. He's a big

fan of this whole like minimal nasal breathing. And there's, there's a pretty good effect on

VO2 max on humidification of the air on nitric oxide production when you force yourself to breathe

through your mouth during exercise. So I have this little thing next to my air dying bike and you

put in your mouth, I don't even know who manufactures it, but it forces you to breathe through your nose

and then out through, uh, through a restricted device. So you're almost developing like

it's going to torture or an expatory muscle training. And at the same time, like you have no choice.

That's a nasal breathe. Wow. Okay. I'm going to start measuring. Yeah. I'm going to start

measuring my VO2 max. I just learned how important that is at this conference. Yeah. Yeah. It's

pretty important. Um, and so, so my formal background is exercise physiology. And what we used to

get taught was that it's like totally non-modifiable, but it's, it's highly modifiable. Um, there,

there's a peak based on genetics like, yeah, that's Armstrong. For example, we didn't have the highest

VO2 max is going to be tough to keep up with, but there is a proven protocol besides all of the

usual things you do to support your mitochondrial health. Some of the like nasal breathing stuff that

we're talking about, but it's basically, it's a four by four-ish protocol and you only have to do

it once every one to two weeks to increase VO2 max considerably. So it's like four minutes and you

go up to six minutes as hard as you can go, but at maximum sustainable pace. So you get on a bike and

it's like, you hit 90 RPM and you just try and maintain 90 RPM the whole time. And then you use a

one-to-one work to rest ratio. So you like recover for four to six minutes. However long you did your

burst for and you do that four to six times through. Right. So it's like a 30, 40-ish minute workout,

but just once every one to two weeks, that's kind of like the proven protocol for increasing VO2 max.

Because people throw around terms like hit training and sprint training. Um, and variously,

there's a big difference from a 10-second burst, which is just all triggering mitochondria,

a four-minute maximum sustainable pace effort, which is more VO2 max. Interesting. Are you training

your VO2 max? A little bit. Not as much as like I should. Yeah, you have VO2 max,

grip strength, and walking speed. Those are the three, those are the three bigs. I want to have

asked. Yeah. I want to have it. Is it for a longer time or just like, no, it's just like it's your pace.

Okay. Step count is important. Um, the 10,000 thing was literally not based on any research at all.

It's just like it came out of surreal. It was like some Japanese article or in the newspaper.

I forget the whole story about it, but there's, it wasn't actually based on any kind of clinical

research that people walked. Sounds sexy though, right? Yeah. And um, newer research shows it's about

seven 8K. Okay. That's more achievable. You still get benefits once you go above that, but if you

can hit seven to eight K, that's where you, where you trigger the decreased all cause risk and

mortality effect. Wow. And then if you have fast, right? Whether, you know, training yourself with

one of those, like, metronomes or walking on a treadmill or doing anything that makes you walk.

The way I think about it is like walk a little bit faster than your brain wants you to walk. Yeah.

And it's correlated with longevity. I naturally do it because my dad wouldn't stop when we

would hike when I was a kid. Yeah. He wouldn't, he wouldn't stop walking. So I had to keep up with

it. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a bit of a traumatic thing. But yeah. Yeah. We did the same thing with

my wife and I both hike fast. We walk fast. And now it bites me in the butt because same thing with

our kids and they're two or three years old. And I keep up. And so now when I go for a walk with my

sons, it's too fast. I'm talking like eight. It wasn't actually based on any kind of clinical

research that people walked. Sounds sexy though, right? Yeah. And um, newer research shows it's about

seven to eight K. Oh, like that. That's more achievable. You still get benefits once you go above

that. But if you can hit seven to eight K, that's where where you trigger the decreased all

cause risk and mortality effect. Wow. And then if you have fast, right? Whether you know,

training yourself with one of those like metronomes or walking on a treadmill or doing anything

that makes you walk. The way I think about it is like walk a little bit faster than your brain wants

you to walk. Yeah. And it's correlated with longevity. I naturally do it because my dad wouldn't stop

when we would hike when I was a kid. Yeah. He wouldn't he wouldn't stop walking. So I had to keep up

with him. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a bit of a traumatic thing. But yeah, we did the same thing with my

wife and I both hike fast. We walked fast. And now it bites me in the butt because same thing with

our kids and they're two or three years old. And I keep up. And so now when I go for a walk with my

sons, it's too fast. I'm talking like eight. Okay. Yeah. Usually music, the syncopation of the music

to keep me in pace. Yeah. That's a good trick. Yeah. It's kind of cool. Yeah. There's this device called

a counter pulse. And in hospital setting, if you had like a heart surgery or a severe cardiovascular

issue, they use something called enhanced external counter pulsations like this thing that you lay

in almost like one of those circulation suits and kind of compresses and relaxes based on the

diastolic emptying phase of your heart. And this counter pulse is basically just like a heart rate

strap. And then it syncs to your headphones. And it gives you a little click or metronome like sound.

Hi, diastolic. So you might actually walk and like pump your heart while you're walking. And then

you kill two birds with one stone because it also kind of keeps you on pace. Holy crap. I own I own

one. Still own one somewhere in my closet. But I use it for about two years. So just kind of train

myself like to correlate my walking to my heart rate. And eventually it's like training meals.

You just kind of subtodd to figure it out and get subconscious. Yeah. You can get an intuitive pace.

You start to make exactly. Yeah. So it's basically times to the emptying of your heart. So you're

almost like doing a better job pumping, pumping blood as you walk. That's crazy. Yeah. I wonder if

you could do that while you're on too. Uh, you could. Yeah. I'd probably help a lot, right? Yeah.

Geez. Yeah. Yeah. Um, there's all sorts of ways to just like, like I, I, I came from a

little Iron Man triathlon, right? In marathoning and endurance sports and now I just love walking.

I mean, there's all sorts of things you can use to walk like that. That mouthpiece, you can take it

out on a walk. You can use the counter pulse device. You can do a wreck. You can do way of that.

I walk it. It's hard to be walking. I'm realizing walking. What? Like it's hard to beat that in

terms of just health. Like walking seems to be one of the best things. Yeah. Lowest hanging fruit.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to do much for grip strength or just over a muscle mass.

And I don't think it's that expensive to walk these days. Is it pretty? I mean, if you're a

biohacker, it is because you got to have your collagen smoothie and your, your helmet that's

sorry. It's going to be your asses in your bloodstream. That's the pre-work out block.

What I'd want to say is something right that you're showing you use that, that motion,

adapt and strengthen your toes with some kind of electrical muscle stimulation. Yeah. If you're

biohacker, it's super expensive. Don't want to walk. Do anything. Go to sleep. Have sex.

Make a meal. It's always like three times more expensive if you're a biohacker. Damn. What's

the increase in sex? Like why is it more expensive as a biohacker? I was joking. I guess we could

explore that idea. I know you've gotten some, some stem cells on there. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That

actually is a big even here at day 4am where we're at like the whole sexual rejuvenation piece.

I guess it's a pretty big stage. Yeah. It's going to be blurry doing the stem cell with PRP,

nitric oxide precursors, pumps, all sorts of fancy stuff.

There's all sorts of things. Are you still doing the salmon sperm on your face?

Was I ever doing the salmon sperm in my face? That's why I said, I think you were a year ago.

I don't know if I was years ago. I have done salmon sperm on my face at a clinic.

Not because I specifically requested it. It was there and they offered.

And you didn't have any ever got to the salmon sperm. See what happened.

Now the ladies are doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen that? No, but it sounds interesting.

Not to be confused with sperm and Dean, which you find in a lot of moral and beauty products is

kind of like an anti-aging agent. I don't think that's derived from salmon. Yeah, the salmon sperm's

hog Botox is hot right now. Yeah. A lot of ladies are getting noticed. Yeah. What do you think of

Botox? From what I understand, although I'm not really a cosmetic surgeon, you'd get it,

and then repeated injections over time can kind of cause some reshaping of the face that

almost like gas lights you into looking like a different person, gradually, and eventually

becoming that stereotype of the first thing you've done too much work. I've gotten Botox.

I mean, I didn't think we would go here with the heck. I've gotten Botox in my penis before.

Okay. It's like a thing. I've heard that. Yeah. And my wife was like super concerned that I was

getting a paralytic toxin injected into my genitals. And it was it was out of medical clinic where I

was getting a different procedure. And their explanation was that it relaxes the muscle tissue and

allows for better vascularity. Okay. Did you notice it? A little bit. So it actually helped. Yeah.

All right. Again, one of those things like salmon sperm, I didn't specifically request. Yeah.

I offered and just can't turn down. Have you guys seen this? I don't know. You probably haven't seen

this guy about clavicular clavicular. Have you seen that guy on Instagram? No, it sounds like a

piece of the shoulder. Yeah. It sounds interesting. But I'll briefly explain who this kid is. He's

one of the most popular influencers right now. He's a 19 year old kid. He's taken TRT ever since he was

14. And he's advocating for all these guys to just take testosterone on a young age way. He didn't

have like some kind of like clinically diagnosed. No, he just wanted to let it better and like severe

head injury that couldn't allow him to make testosterone. No, I don't like that. Yeah. He just wants to

look better. Yeah. He's also doing bone smashing. And I mean, you know, the biggest reason why is

it's like one of the greatest things we can do as a human being is to make little human beings.

And if you're starting with testosterone at that age, I mean, the earlier you start, the more you're

going to impact fertility. And there are things that guys who want to increase testosterone will take

at the same time to maintain fertility like gonadarellin or ACG or in clomaphine. And that allows

them to both take less testosterone and maintain a little bit of a sperm count. Yep. The

the latex cells and the testes can still operate a little bit. But if you're that young, I mean,

no matter what you're taking at the same time, you're significantly impact both fertility

and your own production. I don't like that. Shrinking your body to not to make it because

you're recommending a different way. There's certain hormonal generations. Actually,

it'll kind of create a sort of an atrophy and your body's ability to make that hormone, you know.

Yeah, there's a feedback loop. And the way the way I think about it is, so

I would hope you wouldn't be thinking about this when you're 14 because you should be a little

testosterone-producing factory when you're 14 unless there's something significantly wrong.

But if you were thinking about getting on testosterone because whatever, you're kind of

borderline low, but not clinically diagnosed by a doctor to be able to get a prescription for it,

or you want to recover a little faster, put a little bit of extra muscle. First of all, there's

a lot of precursors for you to make your own testosterone or building blocks. And those are super

simple to find. Boron, creatine, zinc, omega-3 fatty acids, magnesium, vitamin D. Those would be

like the biggest. And that's just like basic micronutrient and vitamin intake. And then,

this is interesting, the largest concentration of energy and receptors in your legs.

So if you're like the toothpick leg guy at the gym when we do an upper body, that's not so great

for testosterone, leg press, lunges, squats, deadlifts, landmine, anything that's taxing on the legs,

that's another one. Yeah, sleeve, low sauce, good relationship, sunshine, all that factors in.

This is anecdotal, but there's a lot of people that swear by thermal stress like cold bath.

Yeah, like avoiding heat and then getting cold specifically for the balls. And then if at that

point, you're doing all of those things that you literally out testosterone levels that are super

low, then you could think about some kind of testosterone therapy. But if you're doing all of those

things, you shouldn't have to think about that until you're at least past 40 years old.

Wow. Yeah, I don't think most people are taking out a lunged out of the teenager.

Yeah, right now they're just calling the guy and getting our TRT prescription.

Oh, yeah, there's so many pale males out there. Yeah, I mean, you literally feel out of form

that may or may not be true. And if it's a good company, they will take up their legally supposed

to test you, but it's pretty easy to get testosterone without even getting employed.

Yeah, so you're in a very simple panel. Crazy. And yeah, I like it. It's kind of a cash cow,

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Doesn't want to not get sand kicked in his face at the beach and be the skinny guy.

Yeah, so it's a great selling point, but yeah, there's a lot of downstream implications.

The biggest one be the fertility and then especially if you're young, once you're on it, you're on.

Yes, you can get off, but it's, it's a good by toss six months to 12 months of just kind of

like fighting an uphill battle. Oh, the crowd are feeling like you felt when you were on it.

That's crazy. What are your two levels out these days? Well, I supplement now. So I'm 43.

I use a scrotal cream like in the morning evening. I'm about 800. Okay, not like super

physiological, but when I was doing Iron Man triathlon and just like eating barely anything and

or writing, I mean, when I say barely anything, I mean, not eating as much as I was burning,

maintaining like 169 under 70 pounds. I'm 200 right now. So it was super skinny. Yeah,

you know, doing chronic endurance training. I didn't mention that with the training piece, but

that's like running from a lion all day, right? So nature doesn't want to bring babies

into the world in a time of constant running from lion. So you see a down regulation of fertility

and testosterone in that environment. And so when I finish like 20 years of just

masochistic endurance racing, I was in the upper 200s, low 300s. Whoa, that's low. I thought

you were going to say that opposite night and day difference now. So nice thing. Yeah, you'd think

like yeah, out there, you know, doing the David Goggins thing and just like pounding the pavement,

maybe that's going to increase your virility in your testosterone. But yeah, where's you down?

So my testosterone is higher than David Goggins. Let's go. Yeah, well, I don't know what that is.

But yeah, I mean, you look at a picture of an endurance athlete and a sprinter. I mean,

which one looks like they have more testosterone trail, which one looks more anabolic. So there's a

trade-off. Yeah, that's kind of high view to max it. Yeah, I guess fear to max is important too.

But you know, the bigger question I see or challenge we have environmentally now like

epigenetic and environmental is that when you have low T symptomatic for guys under 18 and we're

seeing this in clinic and women, young women and 14, 15, 16 that have fertility challenges.

It's really like an extinction challenge like global extinction challenge. And that they

don't talk about is the populations is shrinking now across across the globe. Yeah, and where's

it coming from? Yeah, what was that movie back in the early 2000s with Clive Owen, children of men,

the children of men? I think that was near that, but it's basically like global infertility event,

like all of a sudden like grow women have to have babies. That's the premise of the movie. I won't

spoiler alert it, but it's like it's worth watching just to see what they predicted back in.

I'm guessing it was like 2007, 2008 and what actually happened. Yeah, like Dan, all the way down

to like the bill, if you watch closely like the billboards in the city are, you know, they're

advertising things like injections to maintain youthfulness and longevity and like the like the

forever young promises. That's crazy. I was paired with infertility. It's like a lot of the stuff

we're seeing right now. I know it's scary, right? Yeah. Zach Bush, Dr. Zach Bush talks about this

extinction, like we're in the sixth extinction phase. And it takes five generations for us to

actually see the results and he ties it back to glyphosate because that whole, you know,

chemical change. But we're just starting to see now the effects of things that happened three

or four generations ago. Wow. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. So this continues. We're going to lose

population. Well, we have to, you know, it's funny, but I believe, maybe it's just because

I'm an optimist that, you know, the world has a way of, and nature has a way of correcting itself.

So with all the problems we're seeing, I think there'll be solutions. Yeah, hopefully it's not

like a mass extinction event though. It is interesting like how, how little we, I think,

do a good job of wrapping our heads around the lifestyle choices that we make affecting our offspring.

Yeah, there's even like a recent Diet Coke study. Did you see this one? No.

No, wait, so it was the equivalent of drinking because what I used to say up until I saw this was

if you look at the carcinogenicity of the, which one is it in Diet Coke? Is it Acysyl Fami or Sparmy?

So it's one of the artificial sweeteners. Diet Coke has one and Coke zero has another.

If I hit which has which was one in Diet Coke. And if you actually wanted to reach the levels

of that artificial sweetener intake that shows some type of cancer causing or neurotoxic

event, you'd have to drink like 77 cans of Diet Coke. And, you know, I might have like, you know,

a can when I'm going through the airport or bottle when I'm going through the airport is like a tree,

you know, once every two weeks or whatever because I like the taste of it honestly. Yeah.

Um, and then this newer study came out and this was like in the past year that showed that when

you get to the equivalents of a much lower amount, it's like one to three cans. They were showing

changes in the offspring. This was in like rodent models with parameters related to anxiety,

like the ability to be able to manage stress. So basically what that means is like if you have a

wicked Diet Coke habit, you might, um, you know, have kids who are more prone to anxiety. Holy crap.

You know, it was how many other things like we do on a daily basis that have this kind of effects.

I mean, everybody knows about like the, the Dutch famine type of effects where like if you're,

if your grandparents or great grandparents went through a time of starvation and lack of access

to foods, you may be born with like a calorie conservation genetic pathway that predisposes you

to obesity because your, your great grandparents had to just like stock away everything. Yeah.

I feel like I have that one because my, uh, yeah, grandparents were in Ireland.

Right. There was a lot of that over there. Yeah. And in an era of 24, seven access to

hyper palatable foods that doesn't really do you many favors. It's done them. I used to

struggle to put on weight, man. Yeah. It was an issue. People couldn't relate with me at all.

They have the opposite issue usually, but yeah, sucked. Yeah. Yeah. It does. I mean, like it's,

it's kind of brutal, but it's almost like life is a fair, right? Those are the choices your

parents made. And so, um, well, you know, there's so many things to be grateful for. Uh, but yeah,

it is kind of interesting. Those are the choices my parents made. So this, this is what I got to

deal with. Yeah. Back in the day, like, um, this is like post, like the 40s, my parents, like,

they didn't have a lot of the food preservatives. Then they basically just put a lot of salt in

canned foods. And so I grew up in an era where you didn't salt anything because the foods were

basically just, you know, pre salted. And then, you know, so, and then all the studies about

hypertension came out about salted foods. And now we're discovering that, you know, good

salts are so important. I want to feel to have the proper balance. And yeah, mostly cellular

hydration. Yeah. But it's when you have those like robust sodium conservation pathways because

your ancestors have as much access to salts. And then you get like isolated sodium chloride,

which is what you're going to find in table salt or or processed foods. You get the blood pressure

effects. And it's kind of sad because I love salt, like good, like mineral rich salt, you know,

like whatever red meat, salt, or clean, the salt, or Celtic salt, or whatever. And salts kind

of got a bad rap when that was the isolated sodium chloride, the CSU. Yeah. And also they,

they're decouples the iodine. And that was a big thing too. So now the table salt, so actually

pull iodine out of the body. Yeah. So I think kind of a myth, people are like, oh, it's iodized,

at least I'm getting my iodine and do my thyroid favor. And it's kind of like the opposite.

Exactly. Right now. Yeah. And so we're seeing a lot of iodine deficient. And which

has thyroid condition, ramifications, some hasurimautos. And we're seeing a lot more of that in

clinics now. Wow. Simply because of the depletion of iodine through a normal body activity. But

clearly in the foods that we're eating, you know, pulling that stuff out of you.

Really makes you wonder all the stuff we're doing now, how it affects our kids. Like you said,

though, yeah, like even just drinking top water, like, yeah, affect your kid. Yeah. If you do that

every day. But you know, the thing is that's important in dressing your neighbor's birth control pills.

But you know, to your point, like you're, you're an example, like you're modeling your children

are growing up in your household where, you know, you may have all the hacks around, but you're

creating a higher level of consciousness. So in sense, you're reversing that trend that what

you've just discussed, you can carry and can make this a whole positive experience. Yeah.

Next generation. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, I think the coolest part about having kids is,

you don't necessarily want to like live like curiously through them and have your children fulfill

the dreams that you never accomplished. But at the same time, it's, it's almost like this mild

sense of immortality. It's like, this is a young human being who I can equip to go and make the

world a better place. And this is like a tiny stamp of my legacy that if I do the right things,

I can actually keep on helping the world after I die based on how I impress this young individual

or what I impress upon them. And so I think, um, I don't remember if we talked about this last

time, Sean, but like the idea of systematizing that is such an important concept. All the reading,

we have like a Greenfield family constitution. And it's got, um, it's got the full list of our

family values in it. And then we use those family values to in the same way that like a business

might create a business branded mission statement, a Greenfield family mission statement,

just like weaves in all these core values, like radical transparency and honesty or contented

ness, no matter our circumstances. And so we have this list of values. And then that's in the mission

statement. And so those are in the constitution. But then we have the family logo, the family crests

and we had like their unique spirit animals, their hex costs. Awesome. We've all got our end of

life. Moral wishes and our obituaries in there. We've got what we do on Thanksgiving, what we

do on Christmas, what we do on Easter, like all of the different holiday traditions. And then

we even have the rights of passage in there. Like what the, you know, what's a young Greenfield

man do for the right of passage from youthhood into adolescence and from adolescence into adulthood.

And when they're 16, they got to leave the house for three months without any money from

mom and dad and just go find their way, you know, wherever road trip traveling internationally,

whatever. And this is all packers into a book. That's a little over a hundred pages long.

And we build upon it every year. Like we'll come back, we'll add some things, we'll take some

things out. But then I can give this book to my kids, my sons, when they start their family,

and then they can keep on building upon fantastic. And it's cool for the kids too because like they

get this almost like sense of pride and like what it means to, in our case, to be a Greenfield.

And like, oh, we don't complain, not because, you know, dad said, shut up and don't complain,

but because that's like on the wall, on the mission statement, like this is what it means to be

a Greenfield. Like we're just content, no matter what happens, or we're able to be radically transparent,

honest with each other and feel like it's a, it's a danger-free zone to be able to do so. And those

are just like built in to the Constitution. And so it's, it's kind of cool because they, they like

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for yourself. Quantumupgrade.io. Yes, Brown, we used to be, we got that in maybe religious

applications and in family cultures, but things are so fragmented now. Yeah. And isolated in a way,

and we, I think it got exaggerated through the whole COVID experience when we were all broken apart.

Yeah. So I love what you're doing because that's, I wish there was more of that. And you know,

it's not taught in school, it's not taught in religion pretty much anymore. And so if you don't

bring it back and centralize it from you, you know, from you and your wife and that experience,

then how, where is it go? Just gets lost. We live in an era where you could be anything you want,

like, like, you know, several generations ago, if your great granddad was a blacksmith,

and your grandma was a blacksmith, that was a blacksmith. You don't have any blacksmiths,

your horses, your build fences, or whatever. And now you can, you know, thanks to YouTube and

online education and the rapid transmission of information and a whole lot of other variables,

you could be wherever you want to be, but it also can create that disconnect. You were talking

about Robbie where like, it's pretty easy to just like carve out your own path in life and

almost leave behind not only the stuff that might have held you back from former generations,

but also the stuff that could have served you. So like, my sons are like, they have a card game

business, right? I'm in health and fitness and biohacking and all of a sudden, my sons are doing card games.

Right. But they're doing card games and still hanging on to a lot of the values that we

as human beings, like as green-filled human beings have. So I think that helps in this era where,

you know, kids are probably going off and doing something that might be starkly different than

what your career is, but you can still pass on a lot of values. There's two parts to it too.

You're shattering limiting beliefs. So they're actually able to look within and create that

sense of esteem. And I think that it gives them an opportunity to actually find their true passion,

their purpose of life. So it's just a huge gift. You got it. If I haven't had those values

as important, you know, I grew up in a broken family. We didn't have something like that. So it's

easy to get misguided in the wrong direction with certain friends who hang out with grown-up, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That pure, that pure importance is important to who you hang out with.

I mean, I definitely spent many years just lost, like trying to find myself,

found some friend groups. And if I had the set of values, I think it would help a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So well done, man. How'd you come up with that?

Not my own. So I don't even talk about this that much on podcasts, because it's like outside my

niche. I even wrote a book about this and all the publishers were like, we're not going to publish

that. Because you're not supposed to publish a book if you're a health and fitness guy that's not

in the health and fitness category. So I even self-published the book I wrote about this

called Boundless Parenting. But a big part of it was like, I was homeschool K through 12. I

placed a great deal of value on, on like an auto-diedact approach to life, but also kind of like a

self-actualized approach to learning, which is what I experienced, right? I could study a lot of

the things that I was passionate about. And I didn't necessarily have to learn at the same

paces of rest of the classroom. And I had a great deal of free time to in a spirit of curiosity,

like exploring the things that I was truly interested in. And now that's even more called like

unschooling than homeschooling, right? And the idea of just like an experiential education,

where maybe you're not taking geometry in math, but you're like building a tree for and learning

woodworking and angles and arithmetic and whatever doing that. Or like in the case of my sons,

rather than taking a formal course on logic or rhetoric or conflict resolution, like you're

going to design a card game where a lot of those things are woven into the game. And my interest in

this led to me interviewing a bunch of parents, just like as my sons were going through their

formative years of life, all these cool entrepreneurs I knew with impactful children, many of whom were

like proven successful models because the kids had grown up and they started their own companies.

So I did like the Tim Ferris tools of Titans type of thing. And I sent all these parents the

identical list of like three questions like as you discipline, what did you do when the spouses

disagreed on something related to a child's upbringing? And how did you educate? And if you did

public education, like did you customize that in any way that allowed your kids to do some other

things? And you know, what kept you awake at night? And so that became like this anthology. I

learned a ton writing that book. And then I learned about the legacy piece, not the stereotype,

but the like we went down to Utah because it turns out like the ODS church and the Mormons are

really good like genealogy and like passing on values and like I know Mormons like North.

So names were great great great great great grandfathers. And there was this there was this foundation

called the Logato family foundation down there. And the guy who runs it his name is Rich

Christianson. We spent like three days in his cabin and he was just like feeding us for the

fire hose like all the things that they did build legacy and how they created these constitutions.

All the way down to just like the financial piece of it like you know starting a whole life

helped insurance policy on each member of the family and then doing paid up additions to that.

So you have like a family bank that you can borrow money against and and pass on financial wealth.

And you know when you start the Roth IRA for the kids and just like all of these different

pieces of the puzzle. So between writing the book and the learning from this Logato foundation

that's kind of like how a lot of that came to me. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty cool. That's impressive.

Well you got a next book you're working on now or? No. Well toying with ideas. So I just finished

updating boundless which is like the Bible biohacking like six months ago. And so I just took

like a six day retreat. Nice. No work which is awesome. I already scheduled my next retreat next

year. I haven't talked about this on a podcast before because I just finished it but I think I'm

going to do this the rest of my life. I mean you hear about Bill Gates for better words. I know

he's controversial but he would like disappear. I think for him it was annual with his big stack of

books that he wanted to get through and his journal and stuff that he wanted to work through.

And I have not taken more than like two days off work since I was 14 years old. Wow.

I love to learn how to do and I'm hyper productive and I love it but I decided to take a retreat

that I finished like 10 days ago and it was just six days at home. I was did some books I wanted

to catch up on and my journal and some time with God and in thought and writing both on the computer

and in my notebook and I sat down with my whole family and I told Jess and the boys I'm like you

all need to sit down and identify a time next year and this will probably wind up in our

constitution. These are the kind of things that wind up in the constitution and choose like a

three to six day time span where you're inaccessible. You're not scheduling anything. You know

phone calls and the work because it was one of the best things I've done for myself. Wow really

long time. Yeah. And as a part of that I kind of mapped out a couple of ideas for books. One

on the idea of like I guilty as charged have kind of preached a message of like you know become

boundless right which I think in the in the whole human optimization world can often mean like

be perfect right like have your five hour morning routine where you're you know huddled up inside

your hyperbaric chamber and you know checking all the boxes and doing all the things are back to

the biohacking being expensive but I think if you deny the fact that we are broken right that at

the end of the day we're gonna have porous bones and and muscles will become sarcopenic and look

like beef jerky and gonna have plaque brains like that will happen no matter how healthy you live

like at some point unless you you pass away by getting hit by a bus like your body will degrade and

if you try to just like deny the fact that you're broken and just keep piling all the Botox and the

biohacks and all the things on top of your like fear of being broken then you're gonna be a pretty

unhappy individual like you will always be just like running away from dying but if you turn and

embrace the brokenness and instead do it you can to be the best version of your broken self then I

think it's it's a much happier way to live it sounds like could be a depressing way to live like

no broken I'm sick but you are like like face it there you like you will always be fighting chaos

and entropy from the minute you get out of bed in the morning and it will get worse and worse as

you age but if you accept that and you're happy about it back to contentedness and you just have

the very best combination of health spend alive spend that you can achieve I think it's a better

way to live and so that's my idea for one book called something like broken it's profound

Brian Johnson yeah and then the other book I want to do is just about all the myths in health world

like all the things that that are highly dogmatic but have way more nuances to them like do you

cold plunge after work out or do you not well it depends you know if you were in a 20 minutes the

research has no for one minute the research says it's fine you know and gluten you know there's

a recent study on gluten that showed that people who thought they had a gluten intolerance and

then we're like fed gluten but not told that they were fed gluten they were just fine

as you fight out that you're fed gluten you're like all of a sudden like getting gas and

bloating because you're convinced mentally they're gluten intolerant it's actually in your head

and yes some people actually do have like celiac disease and gluten intolerance so there's that

and seed oils and you know working out VO2 max like there's all of these things I have nuances

and I think that'd be a fascinating book to write you know just like from in the trenches

experiential standpoint like how do we cut through the confusion actually make a decision

based not just on dogmatism or how do we monetize a certain belief pattern but what does the

research actually say and where is the nuance in the research? Love it yeah Ben it's been fun man

you've inspired me to take some time off next year so do it I'll take it up to you guys oh now

you got to get quiet you know laying glass wrote that book getting quiet or get quiet

Michael's Michael's and they got married so yeah I love that I think our whole journey through

the laboratory yeah and finding that quiet still point and I think that's what we're forgetting

because mostly for the kids now because they're just so used to swiping up left and right that they

forget that there's an inner voice inside of them and you know for me I've always said that

in matter how good you are in your own path the the true essence like best doctor is the one

that voice inside of you and so if you're not quiet and you don't hear that voice then you really

don't get that connection classic classic I don't know if you call it a self-improvement book but

I'm going to a book by Napoleon Hill called Outweighing the Devil gets into that it's a good one

like they get an addict's trance it's how the devil keeps you from becoming the most

impact the person that you can be because you basically it caught up in all the distractions

that's the alien hypnotic trance how you live your days how you live your life and eventually

before you know it yeah you're you're fulfilling one of the definitions of hell which is meeting

the person that you could have been I call that noise or cosmic dust yeah but I I see the

world through contrast so I actually need that noise to get really zero focus yeah but you have

to recognize that it's noise that's the thing well said it's been fun that cool up a day nice man

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