Thor: The Dark World

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Great book, you say.

Great book.

Yeah.

Disney War.

It's about like the succession of Disney in the 90s Eisner.

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So let's talk about what I think a lot of people are wondering, and which is, Rye Guy,

you are now gainfully employed.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And things are serious.

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Three death to home where Marvel is anyone.

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It has been announced that the way home is returning to the home, our channel, I believe

in April.

Yep.

You do this.

I, Brad, Brad and I have a lot of off-air logistics conversations, but not all of them,

cause this is the first time here.

Yeah.

So.

So are you entering that right now?

What are we doing?

What are we doing?

Because do we press pause on Marvel Monday, so that you can only only have to do one

a week?

What do you want to do?

that's probably the, the most logical option.

I don't want to rule out doing both.

We've taken breaks before though, right?

Didn't we take like a year off

in between Star Wars?

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because of Captain of Christmas,

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For no other reason than it's the way home

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It's not a problem for the day, Brian.

It's not a problem.

Well, here's what I'll say.

Here's what I'll say.

And granted, it's more of a matter of time than enjoyment

because I mean, this is the best job in the world,

but not to be confused with my current job,

which is also the best job in the world.

If you're boss first.

My what a marvel was going to be that

there's really next to no stinkers coming up here for me.

You know, you guys might feel that way.

I mean, like,

Guardian, I'm going to blind.

Guardian ballers.

Winner soldier, guardians.

And I like, I like Avengers two more than most

and then civil war.

I'm a big.

So it's like, you know, there's, there's some, like, you know,

there's still the occasional Dr. Strange and what have you,

but like, I'm going to reach a point.

Oh my God.

That movie's just fine.

Dude, the first Dr. Strange is top 10 Marvel movies.

It's amazing, amazing movie.

I'm going to, I'm ready to watch all of these movies just for funsies,

but I could, we could watch eight of them in a row,

but that we still have to record them.

Is there within lies the challenge?

You know, we'll figure it out.

Yeah, we'll figure it out.

It's fine.

Yeah, I just feel like I got to do.

Who's going to do it with?

I don't know.

But right guy, like, not me, then who?

Assuming you're, this is later on.

This is a committed.

That's true.

Yeah.

I can't imagine him not finishing knowing it's the last season.

If we, if it was like a win calls the heart situation,

I'd be like, just don't want it.

But knowing it's the last season, that makes that tough.

Um, yeah.

I also like, I broke quick the answer.

I also like still being somewhat connected to the,

it's really great that I get to come on here and do whatever the heck I want.

Yeah.

But it's also nice that I have like some connect to like made for TV hallmarks.

But you're right.

You know, yeah.

It was your original beat is, uh, when does it start in April?

Is it going to wrap up right around Bramble Fest?

Or is it going to wrap up earlier?

April, I want to say, well, yeah, my, it's, I think it's April 19th.

So that could be right around.

To make it to June.

And do that would be exactly if it's 12 episodes.

Yeah.

Holy moly.

Are we doing a finale way home?

Keep in mind.

Or that with that works out.

The ratings for Bramble Fest are going to be off.

He's going to be crazy.

I got a, I got a, I don't understand about the crap.

So, I love for, so, so, so, so, not the crap.

So, crap, just, it's very similar to last year's social.

There you go.

That's on the spring off.

That's right.

Yeah.

Uh, shall we talk about Thor, the dark world?

I'm just kind of a boring crap.

They call me a lump craze.

Well, the pick my hand at the lobster social.

This one originally, uh, premiered at the Likester square down on October.

Well, you, how would you say, I don't know, how would you say that?

Lister, probably.

No.

This was an October release Likester Lichester Lister.

There's no way that's Lister.

I mean, it's Worcester.

Have you seen how they spell Worcester Massachusetts?

I think they were bugging out when they did that.

I think that's the Likester.

All right.

October 22nd, 2013.

And then a couple weeks later, not until November 8th, did we get in the United States?

That makes a little more sense.

Shut up.

It's Lister.

How?

Wait, where's where's the Lister theater?

Or even Lester.

Let's, let's, let's, uh, let's let her say it.

Hold it up to the, hold it up.

Lester.

Yeah.

Lester.

Yeah.

Or Likester.

I just don't know how you get that.

That does.

Yeah.

I mean Worcester in Massachusetts is, is bomb bomb.

They were stripping.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, and it went a little something like this.

Uh, Loki's in trouble.

Loki.

Daddy in trouble.

Daddy Odin is mad at him.

Um, and Loki is just like, I just wanted to listen.

I just wanted to rule Earth be a benevolent God.

I don't know what a big day is.

Odin tells him, I should have you counts.

Instead, you'll just be imprisoned for the rest of your life.

Very welcome.

Uh, Thor is doing Thor stuff, fighting off rock monsters and stuff with his bodies.

When he gets back to Asgard, Odin tells him that the time has come for him to get over

Jane Foster and become king.

Speaking of Jane Foster, she's in London town.

Pip, pip.

London temple brother.

London temple brother.

London temple brother.

London temple brother.

It's my Honda brother.

Uh, she's in London.

She's trying to eat with a dude, but she can't stop thinking about Thor.

Darcy shows up and tells her the numbers and graphs.

They're going nuts.

So they head off to where the numbers and graphs are originating.

And it has, it takes them to this abandoned warehouse.

And when they get there, there's some sort of weird like teleportation portal thing

that's opening and closing seemingly at random.

It was found first by some children.

You can move cars instead.

They thought they would.

It was just fine.

I never seen those kids again by the way.

No, they probably got lost in the portal.

Yeah.

Uh, she, uh, ends up getting like sucked in kind of to a portal.

And while this is happening, Thor is talking to Idris Elba, uh, who is supposed to be keeping

an eye on her because that's like what he does at his mind's eye.

In my mind's eye, in my mind's eye.

And he's like, oh, weird.

I actually can't see her right now.

So he goes to earth to check on her.

And by the time he gets there, she's now returned back to earth.

And she's shocked to find him there.

Um, and also shocked to find out that she's been gone for five hours.

She sees Thor and smacks him a couple times for taking so long to come and visit her.

The cops now show up and try to arrest her for trespassing.

When they touch her to arrest her, uh, this like red light radiates from her and sends them all flying.

Realizing that there's something going on with Jane Foster.

Thor grabs her and transports her to Asgard to do some tests.

Odin sees what's going on with her with her.

And it's like, yeah, I know what's up with this.

That, that is dark elf-ish.

It's called, it's called the ether.

It's not good.

Thor explains to Jane that every 5,000 years, the nine realms aligned, kind of like a solar eclipse.

Yeah, that's right.

And it causes the portals between these realms.

Be a bit warm.

Okay.

So that's how she ultimately fell through the portal and got connected with the ether.

But when she interacted with the ether, she awakens malacheth.

Who go with that?

Yeah, malacheth.

It's actually lester.

It's a lester.

Malacheth.

Who's a dark elf?

Who's up to no good?

He's trying to make trouble in a neighborhood.

That neighborhood being the university.

Yes.

They're going to attack Asgard and they're going to kill Thor's mom.

Frigga.

Are you freaking kidding me?

So proud of himself.

You liked it?

It was fun.

You write that one down?

No.

No, that's just off the top of the demo right there.

Man, he's locked in.

You should go pro.

So Thor immediately wants to revenge.

Odin tells him, wait, they'll be back because we have the ether.

And he's like, don't talk about Jane that way.

Jane's a person.

Thor doesn't want to wait.

So he asks Loki to help.

Luckily, he knows about a secret portal to Scalvahime,

where they will use Jane.

It's a secret portal to Scalvahime.

That's all I'm allowed to do.

Where they will use Jane to lure and confront Maliketh away

from Asgard.

And then return.

Thor promises Loki that they will get revenge for them killing Mama.

Mama Frigga.

I'm sorry, Mama.

While in transport, Loki and Thor have a heart to heart.

And then they yell at each other.

And then they love each other.

Classic bro.

Classic bro.

Like what happened earlier in this episode?

Where Dan was really mean to me.

And I got sad.

And then we make up.

That wasn't in the episode.

That was me.

Was that before the episode?

That was before the episode.

Okay, good.

Well, it happened.

I literally said a word I can't say on here.

Okay, cool.

So.

Where were we?

Okay, so once they get their Loki tricks Maliketh into drawing

the ether out of Jane.

But Thor attempts to destroy the ether and fails in doing so.

Maliketh then merges with the ether and leaves on his ship.

That is bad.

My good.

He's got the Dark Elf as ether.

Dark Elf as ether.

So Loki's no.

Loki's hurt real bad on the verge of death.

Thor is like, I'll tell dad that you didn't suck after all.

And he'll be obeysed by that fact.

Afterwards, after they have that conversation, Thor and Jane

discover another portal in a nearby cave that gets them to London

tab back to London town.

Look at my hand, brother.

My hand, brother.

Yes, Jane knows because of what happened with Maliketh

like taking the ether.

He knows stuff now.

That's what you need to know.

And knows that that Dark Elf over there is planning to destroy

the universe.

So Thor is like, well, we got to stop that.

So he starts like going through portals.

Maliketh ends up on earth.

Thor returns just in time to help transport him away from earth

through a portal at the same time as his ship also goes through

portal.

Crush him.

Crush him with own ship.

Crush him.

Thor returns the Asgard where he decides to tell dad that

he is not going to take the throne yet.

And also, hey, you should have been nicer to Loki because he

sacrificed his life.

And as he leaves, we see maybe Odin, Washington, Odin,

maybe Odin, what Loki, uh-oh.

An element was for the dark world.

Jurassic Park.

It's the last world.

There was a, you know, there was two post credit scenes,

my friend.

I did, honestly, I did not stick around.

Wow.

Do you want to tell me about them?

They let you skip the credits.

They literally Disney makes it so easy.

Just to go.

Do you want to tell me about them?

First one sets up more Thanos and Infinity Stone stuff.

They bring the death stone to him.

And they.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So one of two stones in one place.

Yeah.

And then in the second one, just, uh, Thor and Adelaide Portman

make out.

Yep.

And a post credit scene.

Oh, yeah.

I know.

So come on, put your leg in the back.

And bring one back.

We're going to, uh-

Let's do it.

We're going to come back.

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Welcome back.

We're talking about Thor, the Dark Worlds.

All you Dark Elves out there say, yeah, yeah, all right.

We're going to start with the hot take as we were sure.

Exactly.

We're not going to hold back.

I'm going to start with you.

Ride guy.

Ride guy.

What do you think?

Thor, Dark World.

Dark Elves.

First, a first Marvel movie without the paramount logo,

present, just FYI, I didn't, yeah, we miss them.

Didn't see this in theaters.

But I have seen it at least twice before.

Maybe three times.

It's starring Natalie Portman.

Yeah.

The greatest living female actor pound for pound for sure.

And this is often, this is often you're not getting weight

involved in this discussion.

No, it's a metaphor.

This is a metaphor for who was pound for pound the greatest

fighter has nothing to do with their weight.

Very specifically, pound for pound does the weight class.

That was the whole point of pound for pound is a lightweight

wouldn't fight a heavyweight.

Pound for pound.

That's like when Shaq says Alan Iverson is pound for pound the best basketball player

of all time.

He's literally talking about weight, not a metaphor, pound for pound means pound for

pound.

No, it's taking weight out of the equation.

No, it is not.

Yeah, I'll go double for nothing on this and you gotta get me for nothing.

Yeah.

Ride guy.

What?

I think you're misinterpreting the phrase.

No.

The Shaq said pound for pound specifically because if Alan Iverson goes up

and gets him, he's just so much bigger than he is.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So what he's saying is is that per pound, no one's better than the person that

weighs because he weighs so little.

Now, you're saying pound for pound Shaq can never be the greatest of all time.

I'm saying that when you say pound for pound, you immediately bring size into the

equation.

That was my right.

I think I'm right about this one.

I'm not, I'm not, this is, I'm not getting punctured.

All right, pound for pound, often abbreviated P for P is a mythical ranking used in combat

sports to determine the best fighter regardless of their weight class.

So so you're saying how do you interpret that?

Who's right?

From that definition.

But you brought weight when you say pound for pound, you're saying answer the question.

Well, what it seems like is it's saying that it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't matter

your past.

So if it doesn't matter, your pounds, why do you say it at all?

Just say they're the best actor.

What does pound for pound mean then?

Brand.

What is to the question?

Ryan, if pound for pound means, then I didn't write the internet, but why wouldn't

you just, you, I said greatest actor and you said pound for pound, greatest actor.

What was the clarification for there?

It's just, it's just a term used to describe who.

The same reason why you would say in boxing, yeah, pound for pound range is to

have it answered the question.

You just say I honestly, I thought that it meant it was taking weight into the consideration

of what off of the definition you just read from the internet, what do you think would

be more right?

Me or Dan?

I mean, it's not like it sounds a bit like, but why say the phrase and more for the right

guy.

All right.

This is often regarded as a bottom.

The internet just hurt you and changed this mind.

This is often regarded as a bottom tier Marvel movie.

And I think the hate may go a tad too far and after this rewatch, but I'm going to tell

you what I think the problem with both of these store movies are in general and this

one specifically.

Well, there's two categories.

All right.

The AI was wrong.

His Google AI was your one internet definition is right.

You read the Google AI one literally originally from boxing where someone might fight in a lower

weight class, but have more skill.

People would argue who the best boxer was pound for pound, meaning adjusted for weight.

That is the actual definition of that phrase.

Another one for the Dan man.

Go ahead, Ryan.

Everything.

That was that's right.

That was gimmick and fringe.

We can talk about this.

I can't believe we had this discussion.

I can't believe I thought it and I can rather completely gas.

I can rather than get it.

You know, I can debate with the best of them.

I'm for pounds.

I'll say that.

I'm a great debate.

I can't.

Listen, so there's two big problems with this movie in my opinion.

It's definitely a little over the place plotting wise.

However, I would say the biggest travesty of it is the CGI is real.

This is the first time Marvel is just like, let's just put him in front of

a green screen.

We'll figure it out later what it looks like and it doesn't look good, right?

I think the second hour narratively of this film is better than the first and more exciting.

It actually has a lot of going for it, but it looks really bad.

However, however, the biggest problem with both of these store movies, but this one

more than the first one because I think people generally like the first one a lot more

is.

Dan, you mentioned this when we reviewed Thor one.

The villain, the big tall metal guy or whatever was totally inconsequential to the plot.

Like, you, these store movies should be dramas.

The intrigue is Thor and Loki and then to some degree Thor and Jane, but by the nature

of a superhero movie by the nature of a Marvel movie, the rules are we must have bad

guy.

We must have bad guys.

Yes.

We must have bad guy.

And that really hurts these films because we do not, and there's going to be plenty

of times, as I've said over and over, where we don't care about bad guy, but especially

in these store movies where the primary conflict is far and away, Thor and Loki, whereas Loki,

by the way, quote unquote, bad guy was bad guy and avengers.

You should really have just stripped away Elf world and all of the metal, you mean the

movie?

You mean the whole movie?

But I'm saying I, that's not to say that I didn't, I didn't like, I enjoyed a lot of

the film and I actually enjoyed the second hour a lot more, especially after they kill

Mama Thor.

I thought all the dynamics between Loki and Thor were going to get inconsistent, but the

villain is just there because it has to be.

I think Thor and Loki teaming up is really cool and I, you know, we're not going to see

Jane for a while more on that as we go along, but there's stuff to like here and I think

if it looked a little better, I think the opinion on it then would have been okay, but

this is better than I remembered it and I do not have it last.

I'll pull up letterbox in a second and tell you where I have it.

But yeah, I enjoyed this more and pound for pound, not the worst Marvel movie brand.

Pound for pound.

I don't care for this one at all.

Here's the thing.

For me, I enjoyed the original Thor movie more as like a funny romantic romp between

Thor and Jane, where these two have a cute, have a fun, meet cute, Thor's acting silly

on water and these two people are falling in love as a homework movie fan.

I loved it for that reason and I got to be honest with you.

I've already forgotten what action happens in that movie.

I only remember them together and having fun, fun chemistry together.

And so this movie is, it's like, it's like, it's like a sequel on a homework channel,

Dan, where we've already had the meet cute and we've already seen the two people fall

in love and I care less and less as it goes on and to force to make, to make, to make

matters worse.

This is the dumbest villain I've seen so far on this year program.

And I'm willing to find a dumber one.

In fact, I'm thinking of one that I think is dumber that's coming later, but this is,

it's a, it's dumb bad guy mixed with a relationship that I've already seen these two people fall

in love and like I love that aspect of the first movie, but I, I lose what I love about

the first movie because it's already happened.

So, uh, turd, turd, I think it's turd is what he's gonna, he's gonna turn, I'm giving it

by turd actually.

I thought about this.

I'm giving it my turd and I am putting it last.

I am putting it behind the incredible Hulk, um, so that's where what I got going on

here.

Yeah, I saw this in the theater and have not seen it since.

In fact, remember seeing in the theater going, well, they, they made a clunker.

They, they marvel finally made one that just, you know, didn't quite hold up under the

weight of the expectation and the weight of the plot.

And it's just, it was bound to happen, whatever, they can't all be winners.

They were batten of thousands and now they're not.

And I literally have not seen it since.

And I've always considered it one of the worst Marvel movies to ever make, be made now.

I watched it again for the first time and I was determined to give it, uh, fresh eyes.

And I was kind of like pumped up to rewatch this movie and be like, it's not as bad.

They made a bunch of bad ones later that are, they're gonna be worse than this movie.

And I'm here to report back.

This is not one of the worst Marvel movies.

This is one of the worst movies, uh, this, this movie is 100% getting my turd.

Uh, I, I, I, I, the biggest shock of Marvel Mondays is how much different Ryan, Ryan

guys opinions on Marvel movies is for my own.

I, I never thought we'd be in lockstep.

There's no fun in that.

But we were okay the first four weeks, but I'm just knowing what you come in, knowing

that, that there isn't a universal opinion on, uh, Civil War age of Ultron.

I think you'll find people firmly in both camps, pretty universal opinion on the dark

world.

Uh, I didn't see that coming.

Um, this movie, uh, makes the grave error, uh, and it's not the last time that, that

Marvel will make this grave error, but it's the first and most egregious where the bad

guy exists to take over the entire universe, um, we don't, we don't need it.

Guys, even in the Avengers, it was just New York City.

I know that they're going to take over the whole planet.

I understand that.

But even in the Avengers, it's New York City, right?

Like if Hulk can exist, if Thor can, if the first Thor can exist in a world where

it's really just trying to protect a planet, the dark elves and the ether with the realms

aligning, you've lost everyone who cares in the room.

Like it just is so bad.

And yes, the 10 man at the end of Thor one is bad, but he's inconsequential.

He shows up at the very end and that's it.

This is a bad guy that's supposed to be lurking the whole times played by the venerable

Christopher Eccleson, who's an amazing actor.

The leftovers doctor who, and he is just so useless in this movie, the only person having

fun in this movie is Tom Hiddleston and Tom Hiddleston is chewing scenery throughout

this movie and having a blast is low key, that complex kind of trickster that low key

is everything else about this movie is a snore or a grown or an eye roll.

It's a really tough watch.

It's as bad as these movies get I'm like, I have some very strong feelings about Guardians

of Galaxy two being terrible.

I have some very strong feelings about Ant-Man, Quantum Mania being terrible.

I have some very strong feelings about the eternal being terrible.

I have some very strong feelings about the second Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness

being terrible and this movie.

Those five movies I tend to hold as real stinkers.

I'm fascinated to give them all another watch.

Upon the rewatch of Thor the Dark World, it is worse than I remembered it being and I

got to be honest, that stuff about it not looking good, that does matter.

Ryan is not wrong.

They hired Alan Taylor to direct this movie.

He had never really directed a feature film of this magnitude.

He was known for directing Game of Thrones and he's amazing at directing Game of Thrones.

He's gone back to direct, not in the Seven Kingdoms and House of the Dragon.

Some of these others, I believe, this gets away from him quickly.

The movie clearly, I remember because I saw it in the theater, was shot to maximize 3D

effects and you can tell.

It's not like the movie looks too deep at it.

It looks bad in a way that they're trying to lean into the gimmick.

So it is plot wise, it's bad, the bad guys are snoozer and then it looks really bad.

And so that's really unfortunate.

This is last, it's last by a mile.

It's just not even close.

I'm just kind of surprised you.

Right.

Which bad guy do you like more?

This bad guy or Red Skull?

That's red skull for sure.

I know you're a low on red skull.

I just find red skull boring.

And I didn't like the design as much as you guys did, but no, I mean, that's a far

in a way.

Again, I'm for someone who's higher on this movie than you are.

I'm saying that this villain is totally inconsequential.

But to dance point, the first one was actually inconsequential where this movie is telling

you this villain is important.

That's right.

I'm still just calling him inconsequential.

The tin man is just burning holes through people in the small town and it's like, I don't

care about this, but okay, whatever.

And that's still a good movie.

This is from the opening scenes.

We're hearing an oral history of the Dark Elves and we are supposed to really care about

the mythology of this dumb, like, like nefarious group of people that's trying to ruin not

our city, not our state, not our nation, not our country, not our continent, not our

worlds, not our galaxy, give me one more.

Our universe, I can't, can't, won't, sorry, hard out.

Where do you have this movie?

Where?

Yeah.

I have a fifth.

Fifth.

What are the ones below it?

Six.

I have a Hulk six, first Avenger seven Iron Man three.

Hang up on him.

Hang up on him.

Hang up on him.

Avengers and Iron Man three lower than this movie.

No, the first Avenger, the Captain America one.

That is pound for pound the worst thing I've ever heard.

No, I don't think you understand how the phrase works.

We're back.

All the fields, what, what you got, but I was sad in 2013 because I thought this would

be the movie where Natalie Portman would become a superhero.

So I was bummed out then.

But alas, don't worry, it happens in love and thunder, another trash movie.

We'll get there.

Can't wait for it.

If you, if you like my list now, just wait.

Oh my god.

He probably likes love and thunder.

I'm looking at a love and thunder.

I'm looking at a poster on the door across from me.

That's embarrassing.

I look at it every time we film as a love and I've seen where you get from eBay monthly

and that is embarrassing.

Yeah.

I'll take a picture of a brain you can talk.

Okay.

The coach are funny in that movie though.

I love the goats.

Oh my god.

Those guys are hilarious.

Let's wait for it.

I, I couldn't remember if I had seen this movie before and then I saw the kids looking

at the portal thing and the thing.

I really liked that scene, like the excitement of the kids just watching the portal like

open and close and random things falling through it.

I liked it and it was memorable for me clearly because I remembered that scene.

I didn't remember anything else about this movie, but I didn't remember that scene and

so also I thought of this.

You ready for this?

I'm ready.

Okay, so I thought of this and I want a, I want full credit for this for something that

I can't open.

Oh my god.

Here we go.

Low, low key is low key, having more fun than everyone else.

All right.

That's a terrible pun.

Second of all, he didn't think of it.

Third of all, he didn't, he didn't actually think that that's true.

And then I said low key was having more fun than everyone else and then Brian said you

should say low key and then Brian says I'm stealing it.

That's what actually happened there.

Brand doesn't even like Loki in this movie.

You don't like Loki in this movie?

True story.

I don't.

High key.

You don't like low key.

High key.

High key.

I don't care for Loki overall.

What would you give him on a scale?

One to 10, six, seven, I, oh my god, no cap, brother, you guys are so cool.

Oh, damn, that was a, that was a layer, yeah, pound for pound, it was, you're right.

Yeah, Chris O'Dowd feels, Chris O'Dowd gets a scene early in this movie where he's James

Dates, he gets to play the an inviable role of being the guy that dates Jane after Thor.

He's really funny.

Chris O'Dowd had a moment there in the early 2010s where he was getting a lot of parts.

He's one of my favorite favorite underrated movies called Calvary with Brendan Gleason.

He was in Bridesmaids and he was, people were hiring him to do this stuff and I wish he'd

gotten more time.

I would have taken at least 10 more scenes with that guy in it.

He's really funny.

Best scene of the movie was the date gone wrong at the beginning with Jane.

That's fascinating.

We all want more time.

I actually said all of that, start before recording and then Dan took all that from me.

Well, I said, if you're going to take mine, I would just take whatever's left.

I can't take it from you.

You get to go first, Brian.

Well, yeah, but then I, yeah, and then I said, why don't want anymore?

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Arguably, yeah, come for pound.

So what are you saying?

So when you say pound for pound, he's saying, that's just a narrow, well, pound, it doesn't

matter.

A pound for pound rankings.

When the UFC does them, it doesn't matter.

The weight class.

They're just telling you who they think the best fighter is.

So like regardless of pound, but what they're saying there, I know what you, I get what

you're saying.

What they're saying is is that this is the best fighter, no matter what, how much they

weigh.

Correct.

And the reason they say pound for pound is because they want to delineate weights as an

argumentative or as a point of argument, they're not discussing.

Correct.

So but their weight is still being brought up in that discussion.

Yeah.

That's one of those things that I'm being serious here where like the how people use it

has nothing to do.

You'll hear people use that phrase in regards to any.

Yeah.

You don't think her weight matters is what you're saying.

All right.

It's time for the weight world where we talk about the things in this movie that we didn't

think make sense.

Let's go to you.

Ryan.

All right.

Does as guard not have TV because Mama Thor, she goes into a low key cell and she's

like, I've done everything I can to make this more comfortable for you.

But she's just given him a bunch of books.

Correct.

Give him the first season of Dawson's Creek or something like, you know, it's like, like

it.

So I just felt like she wasn't there's no flat screens to be found in Asgard.

They don't have any comfortable furniture either.

Yeah.

There's a lot of angles in Asgard.

Boring place.

Low key says in English at one point to I don't know if it's the big bad.

It's like, I think it's the big bad henchman monster guy.

He says, like, he's in a cell in the big like jail break scene, a lack of a more app phrase

that's happening.

And low keys like down the hall to the left or whatever he says, but he like down the

hall to the left, but he says it in English.

And this monster does not speak English like as no way to understand him.

And so that was, that wasn't that wasn't a wise strategy.

Last one.

I had zero recollection of Zachary Levi being in this.

It's a bit hard.

He's got like three scenes.

And like, this is like, you know, we talked about, uh, uh, Ejus Elba on the last film

and we mentioned him earlier.

He's in less of this movie than he is in Thor one, but I took that as like, oh, he was

becoming a bigger star.

And so he was like, I'll show up and I want a tad more personality.

Like, I have no interest in being in this film, but like Zach Levi, I feel like he should

talk to his agent, both then and now more so now, but like Chuck had just wrapped.

I feel like he could have done better.

No, he's not getting rules now.

It's not a new agent.

He's not getting rules now because he's conservative per him.

That's what I mean.

Well, I mean, he should probably talk to his agent about his about his rep.

Yeah.

But, um, but yeah, I just thought he could have done better in 2013, not a thankless

part.

He kind of gets a hero moment, but he like did Chuck and then Chuck went off the

air.

What?

Probably.

I think it was 2012.

And this is 2013.

Okay.

So yeah.

I don't know.

He was a TV on a TV show.

I don't know.

Be getting into Thor.

Yeah.

He just will never see him again.

I mean, I'd brand.

You're the wrong guy to ask because you didn't even know there was a post credit scene, but

like, I don't think we ever see him again.

No.

They don't even bother killing him.

Let me go play Shazam.

Shazam.

Shazam.

Shazam too.

I've heard bad things.

Shazam too is pretty terrible.

Yeah.

Shazam.

Yeah.

Fun.

Yeah.

Fun time.

Um.

So I like this movie starts off with with the long with dark elves.

Guys, we with someone should have gone back to the drawing board.

Like you can't expect us to take it seriously when the big thing is the dark elves.

I chuckled.

I laughed.

Yeah.

That's never what you want.

When you're explaining as they get the funnier they are, dark elves, dark elves.

Um, the battle scene at the beginning where Thor and his, and his buddies are, you

know, fighting rock monsters and stuff, like he does the thing and the rock monsters are

hurry.

Rock monsters really big.

And Thor is like, well, and the rocks go everywhere.

And his buddy is like, you could have done that the whole time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What but you're wasting everyone's time.

In life.

You're wasting everyone's time when you can just go, have it up, up, up, up, up, up,

you, and cause giant explosion of whoever's in front of you.

You're wasting everyone's time, and his, I guess cause you're bored.

And you just want to see, like, if you can do, I don't want to use the hammer thing

unless I want to do it all the time.

I don't want to do the hammer thing all the time.

It was just going to be done so quickly, if he just wanted to do it, we have that.

I don't want to use the hammer all the time.

Hammer all the time.

That's good.

Thank you.

Yeah.

That's all I got, data.

Yeah.

We find out that Jane sold her gave away

all of her equipment after his Thor one.

And I, like I couldn't stop thinking about it all

and making some movies boring,

but it's like this woman who's committed her life to science

makes one of the biggest discoveries

in the history of science at that time,

falls in love with Thor and is so heartbroken

she quit science.

No, no, there's no world where she's just like,

I can't, I can't science anymore.

I can't do it.

How do you expect me to science into these conditions?

I couldn't believe it.

The only worse than that, especially since the first movie ends

with her really science thing.

That's right.

Science thing more than ever before.

And then we turn down she quit science.

And then, you know, notably missing from the Avengers is Jane.

Yes, you know, Thor can't come see her,

can't communicate with her, shows up on planet Earth,

fights in New York City, leaves, doesn't ever talk to her.

And I don't even remember the line anymore

because I watched this movie two weeks ago.

The one line that they commit to giving you

as to why Natalie Portman, they couldn't afford her

for the Avengers is one of the biggest irls.

Like, I feel like he said like he couldn't risk getting distracted.

It was so stupid.

It was either that or it's a very generic.

I didn't want to put you in harm's way type of thing.

It's the worst.

It is the absolute.

The movie was bad as it stood.

If this was a good movie,

that explanation would have still been really bad.

You want to know how Marvel doesn't care

about the Thor property at this moment.

They do when Ragnarok becomes a hit.

You know, like we know they don't care

about the Thor property is that this whole thing

where they paid so much money

to so many people to be in the Avengers.

Natalie Portman is Jane on a FaceTime call.

Can't do it.

Can't possibly he's up there in this floating ship

just like they're all arguing.

He's just like you up.

Jane, what up bro?

Jane, I've finally been able to repair the rainbow bridge

or whatever and I'm coming back

and I don't have time now because Loki is out in the bubble.

Like she would understand all that.

She knows who Loki is.

If anybody understands how powerful Loki is,

it's Jane.

She would have maybe helped out in the Avengers.

She'd have been a great addition.

Stellen Scarsgard, the old guy from Thor,

he's in the Avengers.

What the f, man?

You can't get her to show up and be like,

no, Thor means business.

I quit science because of him.

Like, what you can't do that?

It's terrible.

Hey, Jane, Thor said hi.

This is a weird week for me, but he didn't say hi.

This movie begins the endless cycle

that is the worst part about Marvel,

which is no one can ever die when we find out

that Odin is actually Loki.

I love Loki.

I would have been totally thrilled

if they actually killed him at the end of this movie.

I think it would have been,

would have shown that they mean business,

but they don't mean business

because Loki is going to be around a long, long time.

And I loved him.

And I loved him.

It was really good.

It was good stuff.

And last but not least, my kids were watching this with me.

They had never seen it.

The way you know a nine-year-old hates the movie

is if they want to talk to you about literally anything else

or they keep asking you why things are happening

and they don't like your answer

because I can't explain it.

During the big final showdown of this in this movie,

where we're supposed to be really hanging on edge

to see if Thor can save the world from the dark elves,

we're in the middle of all this action

and there's a lull and my kid goes,

Dad, do zebras grow back their hair?

And I don't know the answer to that question.

And it's a great question

and I think it's more worthy of our time than this movie.

I don't know.

I don't know if they do,

but you know what my kid who should have been wrapped up

in a comic book movie grand finale was thinking of

at almost 10 years old, zebras,

where are they at with if their hair gets shaved off?

Is it grow back or is it just a one coat?

That's all I got.

What are your thoughts on that, right guy?

I pound for pound.

I would think it has to grow back, no?

What do they lose it?

I mean, if someone took like, you know,

like a haircutting kit to a zebra,

I would imagine they'd lose it.

Oh, haircutting kit.

That's interesting.

I got brought my whole kit.

Do you want like a seven-dard?

Easy, bro, I got a nice little Christmas present for ya.

Want this?

I got to hit him up with a tapered bald fade.

Oh, the Stanley cameo is also a D minus.

I don't even remember it.

Where was he?

He's in the ward in the Asylum Ward.

Very briefly.

It's not here.

Put him in Asgard.

That was so funny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's not really like kind of sad.

Yeah.

Given what happens to Stanley at the end of his life.

Yeah.

That's bad.

That's sad.

All right.

Well, let's get to what a marvel.

What a marvel.

You know, do we, do we, do we discuss things

that we're thinking about?

Raga?

Yeah, I mentioned it earlier.

Like, the way we're watching these,

it feels like we're, and we know we are,

because we know how many we have to watch.

We're so early into this process.

But in real time, when these were releasing,

you know, when we do win or soldier next week,

that was brand correct with my math is wrong.

That's five to six years in the making.

Whereas I'm like, whoa, we're already at win or soldier.

This is the top five Marvel movie.

So, and then looking at the list of everything that's the come,

I'm like, really excited.

Again, none of this has been worked.

They're Marvel movies.

They're really fun to talk about, et cetera, et cetera.

But like, it just feels like we blanked

and we're now at like where Marvel has really hit its stride.

And that's quite marvelous.

It's like it's like it's our kids.

Lincoln, you miss it, you know.

Yeah, you'll go to the end.

Amen, brothers.

I have a question.

I wanted to get your thoughts on this.

So that police officer went to arrest her for a trespassing.

Yes, yes, yes.

It touches her to arrest her.

Boom, right?

Fly back.

Is that it?

Is do they give us no longer under arrest?

Do they do they give up?

They're like, well, I guess that's that.

We did our best, you know, or do they at some point show back up

and be like, hey, this one's for our body who you exploded

because the police or notorious for just letting it go

when one of their own classes, you know, hurt by explosions.

So they don't get into that.

But I have to imagine at some point, after this movie wraps,

there is a knock at the door.

And it's like, hey, you got to do time for the trespassing

in the exploding of our brother.

Well, she hasn't lived in the United Kingdom.

So maybe they're probably not going to cross, you know,

they're not going to get on a plane to arrest her

for explosion syndrome.

Do you know they can all arrest her for explosions?

And I mean, it never, it's never come up.

Explosion syndrome.

I feel like, yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, they just, it's kind of like I answered it.

They let me go.

Yeah, you crushed it.

They let it go.

Dana?

Yeah.

So after the failed experiment that was the Ed Norton Hulk,

basically Marvel launched with Iron Man Captain America

Thor, and they, they, they greenlit sequels almost immediately.

They built the phases around the Avengers,

being the tent poles and these three characters

getting sequel after sequel.

Both Iron Man one, I mean, Iron Man and Captain America

basically have three movies in under five years.

After Thor the Dark World, Disney and Marvel basically

were like, what if we took the temperature

on Thor's standalone movies for a while

because we don't get another Thor movie I don't believe

for at least four years, if not five years, 2017.

I believe it's 2013 to 2017.

Is that about Ragnarok?

Yeah, that's 2017.

And Thor Ragnarok, as we know, we will not discuss

in, in full till later, was a huge swing.

Tyka Wattiti, New Zealand comedic director brought in.

Thor is kind of a bumbling jock, like a complete,

almost rewrite of the character.

So I, I'm just fascinated as to, it's a Marvel to me,

what a Marvel, that's the segment.

It's a Marvel to me, how Thor became kind of like secondary

in the Avengers, I believe because of this movie.

I can't prove that.

But Thor becomes not, but gets put on the back burner.

For, yeah, for standalone, I would say by the time

we get Guardians, it blows up.

Sure, there's, there's two more Captain America's before there's a Thor.

Yeah, and I'm not here to, I, I'm agreeing with your overall premise.

But what I would say is in the terms of the story,

by the time we get to Infinity War, specifically, Thor is still pivotal to those plots.

But I, I, from the business of Marvel, I'm agreeing with you.

Yes, clearly, they take a step back.

But they, it seems like Thor becomes their rewrite, like they can rewrite him

to do whatever they need him to do.

Iron Man is Iron Man, Captain America's Captain America,

Mark Ruffalo Hulk is Mark Ruffalo Hulk, Thor can kind of be like,

what if we make him fat, what if we make him dumb, what if we make him smart?

And these first two movies aren't like that.

They're very, and Avengers are very uniform in what Thor is like.

And then they decide he's the guy that we can move the needle around

to make the rest of it work.

So I agree.

Yeah, what we did, everybody,

we're going to find out a little what happens next with Captain America.

It's winter time.

And he's a soldier.

Yeah, he is.

The winter soldier.

He's not the winter soldier.

No, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just the,

I'm also pretty sure it's spring during that film.

Yep.

Well, they should figure that out.

The title is a twist as to who the winter soldier is spring.

Come on.

Have you not seen it?

I have frickin' no.

It is a frickin' no.

I don't know, man.

I go into every one of these now, being like, I don't know.

Just stay after the credits.

Yeah.

Every time.

We'll see.

It depends on how quick, how much I hated, you know, the dark elves, and I'm ready to turn

my TV off.

It's real bad.

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Congratulations.

That's coming back next week for another one until they moved the first to wish you

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tough messes.

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Offer valid March 12th, March 29th, 2026.

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