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the Active Stick. And I'm joined, as always, by my wonderful co-host, Ian Boavaire,

also known as maybe it's Ian. And we have a special guest. We have this pajama

party. It's like, you know, we've been doing this for late games and we wanted to

invite our good friend, JD Young, of Lockdown Sharks. In this scenario, Ian and I

are Will Smith and Maclin, Celebrini. And we're bullying JD Young to have a

sleep over with us. So he's the tyrant of Foley in this equation. JD, thank you

so much for agreeing to this crossover with us. Yes, super excited, always

glad to chat with you guys. And I mean, you have two of the like most fun, like

young offenses going at it. And like you and I texted earlier today, I was like, I

think there's gonna be a lot of goals in this game. And there was a bushel of

goals in this game. So very exciting game. And I'm as a Sharks fan, of course, who's

been, you know, it's been a long couple seasons for San Jose. I know you guys

went through your rebuild was a little bit quicker than ours. It's nice to

just be like in the mix in the hunt again. But yeah, absolutely jam of a game.

One of the best games of the season. And we will talk about the game. And then

later on, we're gonna talk specifically about some of these young players that

are so exciting to watch. And then later on, we'll talk about the long term

outlook for these two teams that are in the hunt, like coming off of their

rebuild, kind of still building up. But first Ian, what were your impressions of

that game? I mean, ultimately an absolute sugar high of a hockey game, which I

think us East coasters needed to get through that. I will say like from the

Canadians perspective, I find that the amount of goals and the fun will sort of

wallpaper over a lot of the points that we've kind of been harping on for a

while now. They blew two more leads in this game. Yes, they were one goal leads.

But it'd be nice if you held on to one of those, right? You're allowed to do

that. You know, since they came back from the break, that was their third game.

They've blown five individual leads in that time. That's a lot to blow in that

time. The penalty kill let them down a crucial moment, a too many men on the

ice call to end the game. And I just thought that generally speaking, the

execution wasn't there for a lot of it. And then they went down five, you know,

five to two, and they decided we're actually the best team on the planet.

Like it's really complicated to view a team like this at this point in their

build, we'll say now. And it's why like I'm looking at the trade deadline, which

is this, this was the last game for the Canadians before the trade deadline.

Like I don't want them to spend a bunch of assets on Robert Thomas. I don't

want them to spend a bunch of stuff on guys for now. Like I don't, because I

don't, you know, who knows when this team is actually going to hit their full

stride because they keep showing moments like this game where we go, maybe

not, maybe we should hold off. So that was a lot to take away from, I mean, a

lot of a whole heck of a lot of a hockey game. Like that was too much that

happened in one night. It was too much. So this is the kind of team where when

they lose in the playoffs, whatever round it is, like the next day, all the

calmness are like this was, this team was not ready for prime time, right?

Like that's what I look at this team as. But turning it over to the sharks,

like from my perspective, obviously, the Canadians that was sloppy and just

went through all the reasons like, from your perspective, was this a good

sharks, sharks game? Or was this one that you were like, you know, accustomed

to seeing?

It's kind of what we've been accustomed to seeing as sharks fans, especially

with Asgrove and network, like Asgrove, you see like use this, this is

going to see perfect Asgrove game, because you see moments where Asgrove looks

like he could be one of the best goalies in the world, right? And you saw it,

especially on the power plate, right? Middle the second period,

Montreal feels like they're kind of controlling the game here. Like they're

about right, they're on the power plate. We know how deadly this power play is.

And it looks like Montreal is about to kind of just put the hammer down and take

control of this game. And Asgrove, he was a difference maker in there. And

then we saw like the sharks go on a roll. There's four bunch of quick goals

there, right? Which is what their offense can do. But then we see goals,

like the new hook one, where it's just like an absolute pizza to him.

And it's one that goes through his club and you're just like Asgrove.

Even the first one, like shark myself included, I was like, Oh, that's one

the Asgrove wants back. And then you see, Oh, it's a double deflection of

clean brick. Okay, I'll give Asgrove the benefit of the doubt there. But it's

just, it feels like that with Asgrove, where it's not always the prettiest,

but he somehow finds a way to get it done, right? And this was that type of

game from him. And this has been that kind of way for the sharks, where

they either, the whole formula is they either get blown out, or they

win every close game, and they continue to find a win, a way to win close

games. And when you have a guy like Macklin, Selop Reedy, who I know we're

going to spend, uh, noodles of time talking about, but you have this guy who's

just a difference maker player. You can kind of live with this formula of,

let's just keep things close. And we think our superstar child is going to

do something and our superstar child continues to do things for us with a

very cash. I didn't even realize he had four points until you guys told me it

was game from Selop Reedy, which is like, oh, yeah, normal Selop Reedy game,

you look up, he's got my goal in three assists tonight.

I kept catching myself too, because I was like, it seemed like the

Canadians didn't really come in with much of a plan against Macklin,

Selop Reedy, which I know you're on the road. You don't have the ability to

match the, you know, to find the match that you want. But like, it just felt

like, baby, they didn't do a ton of tape on a guy who could win the heart.

I can't believe, like, I just couldn't believe how often he found himself just

completely unbothered. I mean, the goal he ends up scoring, he picks up the puck

in the neutral zone off the board, skates him a straight line and beats

dovish through the legs. Like, that's, that's, that is like main character energy.

Like, which is what the sharks have. Like, I think,

calling it having a player on your team who is the main character,

sometimes of that team, sometimes of the entire sport at any given moment.

Like, that's who they have now. And it's, it's, you know, we were, we were

blessed this week as Canadians fans to watch, not only Macklin,

Selop Reedy, sink our team, but a few days ago, watching Matthew Schaefer do it.

You know, it's like, the sport is just headed in this direction where I kind of

wonder if it ends up more like basketball, where you've got just these

absolute main characters who are just, I'm going to be the reason my team

wins every night and not, you know, what we've typically come accustomed to

the hockey. Yeah, it's, I mean, with Selop Reedy, he's

the main character. He's the engine in like, you've

seen it and he's even like had like a quiet return since the break. They've

been having a sure wood play on that top line and it hasn't looked better.

They put the NCAA line back together with Will Smith, Colin,

Graff and Macklin, Selop Reedy. And you saw tonight, like that line was

arguably the best sign in any time they were all nice. It felt like Macklin,

Selop Reedy was doing whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

And it feels, it feels like whenever they don't score, it's usually because

they're the ones making mistakes and trying to get a little too fancy

sometimes, but you live with that when you have players of that caliber. But

yeah, it's a, it's really fun having Macklin. I highly recommend

getting a Macklin, Selop Reedy if you get it. We had him for two weeks. It was tight.

Great. Great time. Great time.

Great time. I can't wait for the next international tournament when he's ours.

But he really is a joy to watch. One thing that wasn't a joy to watch is

I think neither, like neither team can argue that they're really going to

defense at this point. This was an extremely defense optional game.

I thought and like for me, it looked like neither team even wanted to play

defense. They just kind of, there was a lot of blind passing. There was a lot of

just being out of position. And I really do think that if these teams were a

little bit more mature, one of them would have had a little bit more of their,

like their, their foot on the next of the other team, if that makes sense.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think like in this game, and in, you know,

things we've seen from the Canadians in the past, you know, everyone loves to

blame the goalies for rebounds. And sometimes that's entirely valid.

There was one goal. I can't remember which one it was. It was probably, let's see,

the, the mesegal, where it's a rebound that Dolbych puts route right into the slot. But like,

Carrier and, and Strubel do nothing, like the puck sat in the slot for what felt like eight years.

Like it didn't seem like anyone made any kind of movement for that puck.

Like that, that's a thing where I think they have to, this is why I've been harping on.

They need to find a right shot, or a third pairing defense when they actually trust.

Because right now it's just a rotating door between Strubel and Jack. I am Marty, myself,

Canadians, fans, don't trust really either of those guys at this point.

There's a lot of, like, there's a lot of, for a team that has goalies that give up rebounds

at this rate, there needs to be a lot better coverage in this slot, I think.

Yeah, you should next surprise when you see a rebound. Like, that's what these guys do.

You can't be surprised at this point. Like, that's not a share. Yeah, exactly.

Like when your dog brings you like a, like a dead animal.

Yeah, except it's the third one that day that you showed up with.

Like, this shouldn't surprise anyone to this one.

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All right, we are back on this special pajama party edition

of Lockdown Cananians and Lockdown Sharks.

It is a crossover.

And we are so grateful to JD for joining us.

Let's talk a little bit more about the youth movement on both of these teams.

And how they were kind of, really, you know, we talked a little bit about

Mac and celebrate being the main character.

But what I found this game was that, I mean,

generally, some of the points, but also just in general, a lot of the better play

was coming from some of the younger players.

We will talk about self-costing a second.

But overall, I think, you know, there's just a lot to be excited.

So let me start with JD.

Who really stood out to you on either team today?

Yeah, I mean, I gotta start with any long time.

Yeah, it's been a long time.

Any short time was locked on Sharks.

Michael Misa, this kid, like continues to blossom in front of our eyes.

And it feels like anytime he's on the ice, he's doing positive things.

And you remember, he's 19 years old.

He's played about like 15 to 20 NHL games so far.

The start of his NHL season was really weird.

Because of one, the Sharks didn't have the contract space

to let him play his 10 games.

So they were like, purposely holding the amounts, trying to stretch it.

Then he gets hurt.

Then he goes to world juniors.

Now that he's come back, and now that he, especially since they've been playing

him every game, and he's a player who looks like he belongs.

This is just a third game in a row with a goal.

Like you said, had a big time goal tonight on, you know,

yes, some rebound control you would like there.

But you have to give credit to Defoli and Equin for really kind of driving

and making it hard for the defense to do anything.

And Misa was shot down the spot there.

But Misa had some, he had a really nice attempt that kind of led to

a bigger fluffle, you know, like in the third period there.

But he's a guy who just, for some reason,

the Sharks aren't giving him the ice time

that you would like to see from a player like that.

And Misa tonight played 1237.

And that has been a typical night for Michael.

Misa, despite most nights being one of the most active and best players

for the Sharks.

And I think for the Sharks, they're really going to take off

when the Misa and Wienberg lines kind of flip roles

in that Misa lines of one that's playing, you know, 16, 17, 18 minutes

tonight in Wienberg's line that's playing

that kind of 13 to 15 minutes.

But yeah, Misa continues to do well for the Canadian side.

I mean, anytime Hudson just touches the ice, it's so fun to watch him.

I'm being Hudson fan and it's such a joy to watch that kid, you know,

and of course, right, he's five foot nine and, you know,

there's always going to be the well, he can't defend or anything like that.

Like, I don't care, man, that kid.

He's a difference maker on the blue line.

So it's just like the Sharks, that's what the Sharks need.

That's like the thing the Sharks need.

And we'll talk about the elo care in a little bit.

But that's like what the Sharks need is that difference maker on the blue line

and then like this team will be ready to go.

I think for the Montreal Canadians, we talked a little bit about the

kid line being quiet for a little while, even before the break.

I think, you know,

Copanon and Demitov really did a lot to kind of

absolve themselves a little bit of some of that criticism.

But Slavkowski, I think, is still having a hard time

readjusting.

There's a lot of blind passes to nobody, which end up on a Sharks stick at the end.

Ian, what was your thought?

Yeah, same.

We've joked that we need to put a shot collar on your ice,

Slavkowski.

And whenever he's within five feet of either blue line and he's on the boards,

he's not allowed to pass the puck on the back end.

Because he always throws it to the middle of the ice.

And when he's feeling it and he looks great and he's having a good night,

that pass is going to end up going well.

But nights like tonight where it didn't really, things weren't really

clicking for him.

The puck was going the other way every time.

You know, I think Demitov had a really nice game after a couple

pretty quiet ones coming out of the break.

You know, it was nice to see them.

You know, so often on the power play, they're looking for coffee on the goal line

because he can do stuff from that spot that really only, like,

Leon Drysidle can do where, you know, he's a threat to shoot.

He's also a threat to go across the seam.

But they, they, I don't know if Sharks had taken away that option

or if the Canadians were making a conscious effort on their own

to try to find Demitov for the one time.

And he ended up scoring on one.

But, you know, it was just nice to see them sort of look for different options

on that power play, which I think really on in the game kind of stunk.

But the fact that Demitov continues to be a focal point for this team.

He's a rookie.

He came into the season as the favorite to win the call there,

much like Celebrini did last year.

And then some defenseman who wears 48 comes out of nowhere.

I don't know where.

And it's, it's, I find the parallel so like shocking between the two instances.

And like, no Canadians fan at the end of the season,

when Shaefer wins it, it's going to go,

ah, Demitov should have had that.

Like, no, this is, this is Shaefer's trophy, man.

Not to rule.

He's doing stuff.

Like, Kapanan just tied a Shaefer for the rookie lead in goal scoring at 19.

Shaefer's a defenseman.

He has 19 goals as a rookie defenseman.

What are we doing?

He was like 25 minutes a night too.

It's, yeah.

He plays like two Michael Meesos at night.

It's crazy.

That is a very apt way of putting that.

But I think just, you know, like there are some,

we've named so many guys on both of these teams.

Like, but it's a prize, what it's a prize anybody that like,

you know, three years from now, four years from now,

this is a Stanley Cup final.

Like I've genuinely thinking about this through my head

and looking at this and going,

these teams are going to look different at that point.

But like all of the parts of their man,

about a couple of parts away, the sharks are like,

like you said, a really strong,

you know, 25 minutes a night defender away.

Like that, these teams are almost ready to like,

kick this into high gear.

And it didn't take them 14 years.

Like it took Buffalo.

We can talk about that a little bit more in the third.

I do, this is not really a youth movement thing.

But I do want to talk a little bit about some of the

shenanigannery happening in that game.

What was, what is God's problem?

I guess is my big question.

He hadn't played a while, you know,

you got to go out there.

You got to kind of,

you got to do something to impress the coaching staff.

The first one, the first one he got pushed.

I was the said Adam Goddance honor there.

He got pushed.

The second one, I played the fifth.

But Dolby's there with a total like slash.

He did the like thing like the fake bully thing where he slashes somebody

and then he like waits for everybody else to kind of come protect him.

And then I like Klingberg kind of like,

gets a little bit of a hook on him.

It's not to, you know, like a little bit of a hook.

And then just like sack of potatoes down like covering his head type of thing.

A little surprise that, you know,

I mean, the penalty's kind of worked out there and stuff.

And I think it ended up in four and four after that.

But like a little surprise,

he, he, he, he escaped clean on that one.

Yeah, I, I, I was like, I completely agree with your assessment of the,

the Godette sequence, especially because it's funny.

Like that was the same shift for Adam Goddance.

Because the first one, the first one,

Gouli takes him into Dolby's and it's an icing call.

Like they were battling for an icing call.

So the face off goes to the other end.

It ends up right back in front of Dolby's and there's Goddette again.

Just accidentally on purpose bumping him a little bit after the play.

It's not like, you know, there was too much there.

But I found that to be funny.

I think Josh Anderson is going to open up his wallet

after that cross check to keep sure what it was flying on that one.

The funny thing is like Godette was stuck out there with

Celebrity and Smith, right?

So it's like, Will Smith, who's, you know, like he's,

that's not his state.

Like, so I'll bring you a mix it up a little bit and stuff.

But then they're both kind of like in the scrum.

They're trying to like defend Goddette.

Because like Goddance actions and stuff.

And yeah, poor Will Smith, who's like, that is not his game.

Like it's getting in the scrum there.

Like he'll do it, of course, his occupier.

But it's just funny.

Like, yeah, because those three ended up stuck together

for like in the middle of the shift change there.

And yeah, Goddette had an interesting game.

He also had like a, like a diving stick check,

like early in the first period that like it was a,

I don't, I think it might have been Demetov.

I'm not sure who it was who had like a really nice,

odd man rush there and he can fly in.

And then of course he gets the empty netter on nice play there.

And then Celebrity gives him empty netter there.

But yeah, great game from Goddette.

That's what you'll have to see from your,

your fourth line winger right there.

Like I'd be up for that every day.

Yeah, talking about me.

Brendan Gallagher core behavior.

Like that is what, that's what they're there.

We're doing that on any given night.

We're three.

Yeah, that's fantastic.

You're like, did you see that Gallagher game?

Did you see that Goddette game?

Yeah, it's, yeah, one hundred percent.

Take that every night from him.

Any last thoughts on that game before we move on

to talking about the future?

Yeah, I mean, from the sharks perspective,

this was a game like they had to have, you know,

you looked at where they were at in the standings here.

You know, there, there were four points out or even coming out of the,

you know, a bad slump going into the Olympic break.

You know, they were five points out going into the Olympic break.

You lose the first game to the flames.

Like that's the game that just circles.

Like this flame team is garbage.

You've got to take care, you got to get the points here.

Then you beat the oilers who those last time you,

that's like kind of where that streak started.

You beat a Jets team like in a rock fight,

two to one type of thing.

And then you come out and get into a high fly,

like track meet here.

Sharks got to feel pretty good about themselves

for kind of digging themselves out this hole.

And I'm really curious to see like what has

career kind of take away from this.

And we'll, I'm sure we'll talk a little dead light here.

But like just, you know, like the way the sharks have won

these last three games where it's been too offensive.

Like, okay, we just got out score opponent.

And then that Jets game in the middle where it was like,

we just got to try to find a way.

So kind of feel pretty good about just the way

the sharks are playing right now.

And from a half's perspective,

and I think the Canadians would like to have that one back a little bit.

Yeah, I think it's, you know, as JD said for the, for the sharks,

it was a must win sort of moment for them.

Well, unfortunately it was for the Canadians too.

Buffalo picks up two more points,

Boston picks up two points.

Ottawa picks up a point in a goal tending optional matchup

against the Adams-Noilers.

The only good news is that Tampa lost and Florida lost.

Like those are the, and those aren't really teams

that the Canadians are really involved with at this point in the season.

So it's a, it's a missed opportunity for Montreal

to keep ground with those teams.

All right, coming up, we'll talk about the long-term outlook

for both of these teams, given that they're young, they're exciting.

And a few years from now, maybe we'll have a very different conversation

after the game.

Maybe it won't be opportunities.

It'll be, you know, a solid, a solid win.

Welcome back to our Lockdown Canadians, Lockdown Sharks, Pajama Party.

Thank you all for joining us.

We stayed up late to watch that game so you wouldn't have to.

But it turned out to be really exciting.

And I think a lot of components of that game

highlighted what there is to come for both of these teams.

But they also very, very strongly and sharply

showed us what both teams are missing,

what they need, what they need to do in order to go from where they are right now,

which is exciting and young, to becoming contenders.

And JD, you alluded a little bit to Montreal being slightly more ahead in the rebuild.

How far do you think the sharks are for being a perennial contender?

Perennial contenders, that's an interesting one.

Because like with Celebrity, it's so, it's such a hard question with him

because you just don't like, you don't know what he's capable of, right?

I mean, going to the season, we're like, man,

as Celebrity has 90 points this year, that's going to be an insane year, right?

He's at like 85 right now, he's almost at 90 points here

and we're at the beginning of March.

And like this, this is a, you know,

he's a legitimate heart candidate as a 19-year-old player.

Like you have for San Jose, you have literally one of the best players on the planet.

Like that, that's your player, right?

So, and we've seen the way that the sharks have built this.

They've been very forward-heavy.

You know, Yom Will Smith, who's been like an excellent player.

A lot of men, if you go back to that draft,

they're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe we've passed on that.

They've each cropped to get Will Smith.

It's kind of working out pretty well for San Jose at this point, right?

You have Michael Misa, who would be the one C on like 70, 80% of the teams in the NHL.

Who's going to be your two C for the next 10 to 15 years, most likely?

Like the way that this team is built down the middle, and, you know,

Wendry, you have guys like B said, you have guy like Eager Shurnershoff, who was, you know,

as a 20-year-old, that put up like eight points in 10 games for the sharks when he first came up.

It is going to be most likely playing after the deadline.

It adds that power forward element.

So the four group is there.

Like it feels like this group.

They just need that, the reps, right?

The defense, so that's the thing that's going to hold back this team is,

how do they try to build this defense?

And because, you know, you have Sam Dickinson, who's 19-year-old.

I think he's been playing very well for 19-year-old,

rookie, you know, defenseman.

The end of the show, so I'm Dickinson.

Was that a friend of the show, Sam Dickinson, yes.

And then you have Demetri Urlov, who's like definitely known as back nine.

Those are your two defensemen who are signed for next year.

So like the nice thing is you have a lot of flexibility.

But yeah, the sharks need to find some short-term options.

I need to find some long-term options to help improve this defense.

Because yeah, like, once Ascorov doesn't have to play against the other team and his own defense,

like then this team's really going to start to take off.

And even as a defenseist for nerds,

go score points type of, you know, that's my whole philosophy.

You still need somebody who's making life actively easier for your goal tenders.

So I think that's going to be the big question is how do they do this?

And once they do that, like, this team can start to contend.

And, you know, like, I was hoping this year,

if they're like a 70-point team that feels like a win,

especially where this team is at,

and never did I really think that they would be like even in the playoffs mix.

But I think you have to go into next year,

like playoffs are going to be like a must for this team next year,

despite if they make them or not this year.

And then after that, it's, it feels like that Colorado avalanche march,

where it's just like, okay, every year, that next thing, next thing.

So you got to think like three years from now,

this team should be a playoff, a perennial player,

you know, perennial Stanley Cup team,

as Macklin's solo breeding becomes 22.

It's a terrifying part.

That's a terrifying part.

Macklin's solo breeding will be 22.

You'll have Will Smith, who will be 23.

You know, Egor Schirner's shop will be 20.

He'll be 23 as well.

Like that, that's going to be your like, probably top line there.

And Michael Misa, who will be 21.

Yeah, it's a little bit crazy.

You know, you talked about playoffs being a must next year for the Sharks,

for the Montreal Canadians.

They made the playoffs last year, unexpectedly.

And now we're in a situation where they're in a very tight playoff race in their division.

I think in the East in general with teams like,

you know, the Islanders and Pittsburgh surprising people.

In your mind, how far is this team from being a contender?

We already know about the goalie situation,

but what other things do we need to change on this team

for it to become one of those perennial terrifying contending teams?

I think the, I think they're penalty killers is a rate limiting factor for them right now.

They lose a lot of games because their penalty kill cannot come up being in a big moment.

And that's how you win playoff games, right?

Is your penalty kill comes up in a big moment?

Yes, your power play, your five on five, you need that too.

But sometimes you take a too many men call with less than five minutes left,

and you need to get one.

And, you know, the Sharks, I think they come into the,

they came into this game with a middling power play, middle of the pack.

They went two for three.

Like it's, it's not, it's just not good enough from that perspective.

With that said, like, are you solving any of that at the, at the trade deadline this year?

I don't know if you guys saw this, but Michael McCarran went for a second round pick.

I'm all the way out on this year's trade deadline.

I want nothing to do with anything that happens between now and Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern.

I want nothing to do with it.

So like, I think you just sit back and your content and the Canadians will do what they've done

for the last few years, which is collect information on the players they have,

the systems they have, the, you know, the units they have.

And they'll try their best to build upon it coming out of this.

And it'll be a learning experience for all those guys.

I think, you know, like,

Kapan and playing on this penalty kill unit is only going to make him better in the future.

He's a rookie too, right?

We forgot he just can't, he played in the Olympics.

He had a really good final game in the Olympics.

One of Brown's metal.

He's got 19 goals as a rookie, like,

he's only going to get better from this experience.

You know, like, I think the penalty killed for me is a big problem.

And it's something that Robert Thomas, as good as he is,

will not help you with.

Like, that's a non-factor for me.

Yeah.

So, I know we took a lot of crap.

Thanks to somebody who makes all the shorts for us,

put up a shirt about how we said we don't want Robert Thomas.

We took some noise to that.

I don't know if you want to take any kind of accountability for that J.D. or what,

but like, you know, you're getting a little drunk and about.

Yeah, I have a new idea.

Clip God over here doesn't want anybody to know.

No idea.

The man behind the scenes, nobody.

Yeah, no idea.

Yeah.

Yeah, Peno, it's entered to the wookie behind the curtain.

I will say one thing about Robert Thomas is that,

yes, in a vacuum, he's a good player that you would want on your team.

But if you, like, if you took one look at any of the price

from any team that is like floating around,

that's not a move you want to make.

Like Robert Thomas is one of those.

That's a move, like, if you are like the wild, for example, for you, right?

You've been a first round exit team for a thousand years in a row.

You need to get over that, especially in a division where you have Colorado,

who's the best team in the NHL.

And you have Dallas who'd probably be the best team in the NHL if it wasn't for Colorado.

Exactly.

That's a move you have to make, right?

A type of thing, like, right?

And you don't want to, like, the thing for teams like ours,

and especially for you, like, the Canadians, where at some point,

they're going to have to consolidate assets, right?

We all know this.

It's going to happen.

But it's that you're trying to lay in the plane of, like,

you don't want to do too soon.

And then you end up, like, they're like kings, for example,

who, in my own backyard, where you're right,

they kind of did it too soon.

And you thought you're going to have a special player,

Quentin Byfield.

And Quentin Byfield's a fine hockey player,

but he's not lived up to the expectations of, like, a second overall pick.

And you thought that was going to be the crown jewel

of your rebuild, right?

And everything was going to flow through him

and everything was going to work down.

And then, you know, they made some moves,

right, getting Kevin Fjalla, you know,

some of the other picks that they've made in.

Now this team is, you know, a perennial wild card one,

or the third seed in a very bad Pacific division.

And they just fired their head coach after they, you know,

fired the head coach not too long ago.

And this team looks like they're kind of peaked

and they're going to have to try to figure out

how to dig their way out.

So it's very hard for Gia, like, every Gia,

it was just like, when do you kind of make that move?

So I understand, like, they're like,

again, Robert Thomas is a great player.

He's going to make any team, he goes to a better team.

But it's when do you kind of pull the trigger on a move like that?

And I think for the Canadians, especially when you have,

like, if they were like leading their division

and you felt like you felt like this was a team that like,

okay, maybe we can play with Carolina

or we could play with the light, need or something like that.

Like, were that piece away makes a ton of sense?

I think at this point, it might be just like a season two

student for the Canadians to make a move like that.

So absolutely.

But I love that you said that.

But at the same time, you also want to make sure you have a plan.

Because I think, you know,

where teams like Toronto have gone wrong

is not having enough of a plan, right?

Like they had very top heavy team

and we just talked on, on both of our teams,

like Penel's heels, the problem, Montreal,

the defense is a huge question mark in San Jose.

Toronto didn't have enough of that.

They had defense?

They could have like, defense?

I watch this team every night.

That's new to me.

Even white defense?

Yeah, but like, you know, Toronto thought they get coast on superstars

and they had supers.

They still do have a lot of superstars, but defense was optional

and goal-tidying was bad.

You can't do that.

You have to build a team.

You have to build like all parts of a team.

So I think like a little bit of like leading

to heavily into the Rob Thomas' of the world

kind of sacrifices that as well.

I don't know, Ian, if you agree with me or not.

Yeah, I think so.

I think the way I think about it,

I know Arpenboss has said this on his show,

the best one, good end notebook,

that like, yes, Robert Thomas is an elite player

and an excellent hockey player.

But like, if you had to find another comparable to him

in the league, it's Nick Suzuki.

Like those are kind of the two guys that you talk about.

Why wouldn't you use the assets that you have

to add something you don't?

You know, like everyone goes, well, why wouldn't you want

two Nick Suzuki's?

Yeah, of course, that's an excellent idea.

But like two back Pennsylvania's police, yes.

Yeah, it would be tight.

It would rule.

But like, there are other holes on this roster.

You know, there are other problems.

Like the defense, they have Caden Gouli

playing on the right side right now.

That's not ideal.

You know, there's a lot of parts about this team

that are not ideal in the moment

that will not be solved by acquiring Nick Suzuki

2.0.

Like he's not going to, you know,

I struggle a lot with this just because I don't know that

I think this isn't the time for them to take that move.

If this game, I know you shouldn't make decisions

on the trade deadline from the game that happens

immediately before the trade deadline,

that's bad management.

But like, from a fan perspective,

from I don't have to make any of these decisions,

this game showed me that or at least reaffirmed to me

that there's still a few pieces away.

And just the maturation of these players away

from being able to make a move like that.

They already kind of did that with Dopson last year, right?

An excellent move, right?

They moved a lot of pieces to get them.

He's been an awesome fit.

He was an organizational need.

That's the sort of thing that they need to do with their assets

as find an area of need and attack it.

Yes, second line center is that.

But maybe you'd want to find a second line center

who can do things that aren't already being done.

He's a right shot.

So is companion.

So is Suzuki.

So is Jake Evans.

You know, there's only one other center,

full time center, which is filled to know who's left handed.

Like, these are things that like,

there's more to this than just acquiring

the best talent around you.

You have to build a roster to Laura's point.

The Leafs tried to just find like, did they need John Tavares?

Like, did that cure wet-ailed them?

No, their best defenseman for this entire time

was Morgan Riley.

And that wasn't enough.

And make sure it's Morgan Riley.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah, I mean, in my head, I keep seeing a New Jersey swap

with him and Dougie Hamilton.

I don't know why in my head that makes a lot of sense.

Both those teams are very upset with the defense

when they have just fixed each other's problem.

I, the thing with like that, the Devils,

was like, they need that money to pay Simone Nebich.

So it was like, they have to get rid of like,

the Dougie Hamilton money to pay Simone Nebich

who's coming up with CLC.

But yeah, like, I'm, I am curious if the sharks,

like, again, long term here is like,

do you follow the Canadians' path, right?

Because you have your own first round pick.

You have the Oilers first round pick.

And that pick is, you know, like, a lot of, you know,

expecting, okay, end of the first round.

But, you know, maybe?

Yeah, like, you can have two picks in the teens,

just like the Canadians did this year.

Do you go out to try to find that organizational need,

whether it's, you know, a, that, that right hand,

preferably right handed, number one defenseman.

And then all your other kind of defensive prospects,

really kind of, you know, you have there,

I'm letting you have Sam Dickinson playing kind of that second,

third role on, like, and everything else kind of slides

in a little bit better.

And then it's also makes Mackle, and I'm, you know,

like, makes Mackle, so I'm bringing him to where he doesn't have

to do everything and carry the puck out of the zone.

Every time he's on the ice, like, yeah,

I am curious if they do follow that path.

This is soft season to try to find that organizational need

for both the short term and the long term.

But yeah, it's going to be fun.

And these are super fun teams that like,

it's just like just getting started.

Like, no, like, yes, I know you guys lost time,

but like, just, just a thought, like,

these two teams are going to be like big time player.

Like, you're, you're hopefully your next Tampa Bay Lightning,

your next Colorado avalanche, your next,

that team where as long as you're right,

celebrating is healthy and Nick Suzuki's help.

Like, as long as your stars are healthy,

these teams are going to be in it for, you know,

for a long, long time.

And that's, that's the hope.

That's why you went through painful rebuilds

and losing all those players.

So that's the hope here is that like, all that pain was worth it.

So one of those players was Tyler DeFoli.

I just love to fully.

It's love to fully, man.

Uh, he is beloved, beloved, uh,

it's like, it fits like a glove.

He's been like the perfect uncle.

Uh, I love that he, like Michael Misa is staying at their house,

uh, like the sharks do it.

Like, they're, you know, like,

Will Smith is saying with the Marlos.

And it is like the second season where we'll

Smith say with the Marlos,

so everybody say when Joe Thornton and Michael

Misa is staying with the DeFoli's,

like, it's, it's just like such a nice thing that too.

So, uh, yeah, like Uncle, Uncle Toph has been like,

I know the production is not as great this year as it was last year,

but he's still like, following that role as that,

that leader and kind of helping the guide,

these young kids.

Uh, and so, yeah.

You know how many DeFoli Canadians

jerseys exist, but I know I have one of them.

You have one?

He's just a one of one.

He loves having him in Montreal.

He's been incredible.

He was great.

Topholi is always to me.

He's like the player that,

and he and his wife do, like,

they just understand the assignment.

They understood what it meant to be Montreal Canadian.

Now they understood,

now they understand what it means to, like,

be bringing this young team along.

Like, they've, you know,

he's got a Stanley Cup,

all of that.

Like, now it's like, he understands,

like, what it has to,

what it means like to be that leader.

Uh,

I can't believe we went 38 minutes,

and we didn't even talk about the carry price for revenge game.

Didn't give up a goal against his old team tonight.

Uh, what up and forward?

It's a very price.

Uh, uh,

always to have loose the carry price trade question mark.

That's an unbelief.

I had completely forgotten that happened.

And I think a lot of Canadians

really probably forgot that happened.

Like, you kept that in your back pocket for a minute,

38.

I have to tip my cap.

Yeah.

I can't wait to step curry from downtown.

So awesome.

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