Tiger Woods arrested for DUI again after rollover car crash

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Greetings. Welcome to a Saturday edition of the shotgun start. It is March 28, Andy. How are you doing?

Brendan, I am, I'm just happy that you guys wanted to hop on the horn and preview Illinois's lead eight game today. It warms my heart really.

I didn't I didn't know that you guys wanted to talk Illinois. I was this morning, so always always happy to hop on for that, but I do think that our other topics we have to broach.

I thought you wanted to check in after the first round of the whole classic, the champions tour, do a little assessment on where we're going for the weekend.

Starting with a little levity, good luck to Illinois, Eli and I tonight, the Johnny's are out. One dream has passed here, PJ Clark and DC lost last night, but good luck.

Do you see they are limiting alcohol sales in Champaign County really tonight? We're worried about destruction because it's a Saturday. It's an early ish start and you could just kind of get to school.

We're about worried about what could happen to Green Street. If the if the line I win, go to the first their first final force. And so since I was a freshman in college.

So they're out of shape. They don't they haven't party over football in a long time. So they don't know how to behave.

I would say that we've never in the modern era party over football. That's the voice of Kevin Van Valkenberg. He's joining us on this Saturday. Here's the here's the plan.

We're going to talk about Tiger Woods getting arrested for a DUI react to it. The media coverage any future implications golf.

Not really the priority there, but his involvement with the PJ tour, you know, is Willie show that the master's what's the plan for that week let alone to play but but ceremonial or otherwise.

So that's what we're going to talk about today Monday. We have a live show at 9 a.m. We will talk about the Houston open golf matters golf subjects for that.

Maybe some follow up on whatever happens with Tiger, but it was a notable Friday Friday evening afternoon development in South Florida and thought we would would dress it now joined by Kevin as well.

This will be brief. This will be the Tiger news always seems to come on Friday afternoon whether it's going to play in a tournament or not or in this case a DUI.

Yeah, I went to dinner. My my my wife went ahead to dinner with our kids last night. I was like this is sort of like the old days. I was usually like standing over the grill at like 5 30.

Well, on a Friday when we would get this sort of news like when I was a young blog boy. This was like that. She's like, what are you doing? This like used to be our life like every week Friday afternoon when we were younger.

So it was a throwback to that, but this was much much more serious. I would say than is he entering a tournament or not? We learned.

I think around 4 30 or so yesterday that he was in an accident in Jupiter Island that he was involved in a roll over crash, which immediately prompted questions to me.

Roll over crash in Jupiter Island are incongruous. That is a small Tony enclave on the coast of South Florida with I would believe a street that does not have a speed limit over 30 maybe maybe 25 incredibly wealthy.

Kind of fancy area that is very residential. There aren't sharp returns. There aren't 75 mile an hour highway exits or anything like that.

I would characterize the roads on Jupiter Island as dead flat dead straight and very residential.

So you hear roll over crash and it just feels incomprehensible. Obviously Tiger Woods has been involved in vehicle vehicular incidents.

He was arrested for a DUI in 2017. Obviously struck a fire hydrant in 2009 and his former residential neighborhood. This is also this is twice now.

He's been involved in accidents in his own neighborhood. In 2009, obviously that was up, you know, stepping from a domestic instant, but he was found to be showing signs of impairment there.

17. You got the DUI in South Florida, 21. Of course, he was involved in a single car accident where his vehicle, you know, swerved across the median and he nearly died nearly lost his leg in 2021. That was in February in Southern California around the Genesis invitation.

He did not they did not take a blood test or anything so there was not officially confirmed that he was impaired or under the influence of anything in that incident, but a single car crash.

So you hear roll over crash and you assume, you assume a lot of things, your mind starts racing, it doesn't all add up. Then at 5 p.m. we get, we also hear just for the facts, no injuries, you know, someone refused medical care, someone was in stable condition and that was it.

Apparently, he was trying to overtake a power washer, like a vehicle that was trailing had a trailer, it's like this big tub of water overtuck it at high speed, hit it and rolled over, no injuries at 5 o'clock the sheriff of Martin County speaks to us and says he's arrested.

He's under arrest for DUI exemplified signs of impairment, took a breathalyzer blew a zero zero so not alcohol, refused a urine test did not take the piss test, but the cops assessed that he was impaired showed signs of impairments arrested for DUI was released last night close to close to midnight.

I think those are the facts are the basic outline of what happened anything anything substantive. I should add further fellows. No, no, I think that's correct. I think that yeah, I think you know, to learn he was arrested for DUI was not shocking.

Based on the specifics of this incident and based on his history quite frankly and you know, visible signs, you know that that maybe he has a problem, right, and you can't.

There's a responsibility not to share stories you might hear, not to jump to conclusions, but the guy has been through a lot of surgery, a lot of injury and has in the past, then arrested for DUI.

And you know, has been on significant prescriptions, both for injuries and otherwise, but to learn he was arrested for DUI was not a surprise.

Yeah, and in 2017, if I'm not mistaken, the reason for the DUI, he blew zero zero there and it was a, you know, I mistook pills, you know, that was kind of the excuse.

I anticipate we're going to get a similar statement about, you know, his body and what he has to do to get ready.

And I guess like I'm at the point and I'm sure I think this was pretty resounding when you're tiger, when you're this high profile, when you're a billionaire, when you're a role model.

You know, whether you asked for it or not, it's kind of unfair that you are a role model, but whether you don't ask for it, but when you've achieved what he's achieved in the sport, you, you become a role model and you become someone that people look to and in this case, like, there's no reason for him to be behind the wheel.

If he's still struggling with pain from injuries or if he's struggling with other things that lead him to, you know, be impaired behind the wheel.

You know, this is a person that can afford the world's greatest driver as his driver and there's no reason for him first team for the people around him to allow him to get behind the wheel anymore.

It shouldn't shouldn't have been behind the wheel yesterday. It seems I don't like having been on those roads. I just don't understand any realm of the possibility as to why you'd be overtaking a landscaping vehicle, what it sounds like a landscaping vehicle with a power washer on a trailer in the back. Why you be overtaking that at high speeds that could induce a roll over.

And I think it's just, at this point, you know, there, there has to be some sort of, I guess, acknowledgement of, of what's happened and how, how we're going to move forward, not where, how, how tiger will move forward, because it seems to me that there is an issue.

And like, yeah, you don't want to speculate on anything, but, you know, when he goes on TV, to me, we don't know what, what we're getting necessarily.

And, you know, just, he doesn't physically look right when you look at him on a television.

And I think like, this is, it's just, it's hard to approach this as golf because he's become, he's been propped up as the Messiah, but everybody has issues that they have to deal with. And that's kind of a part of life. And I think it's, it's time for, you know, us to actually talk about issues and he shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Yeah, you're using, you're using some pronouns there of we, and it's on tiger. I think like, is there a, is there a, they, who's around him? And, you know, do they have any power, a power to say, like, don't drive.

I think Kevin, you probably have thoughts on that. Do they, is the group around him, someone like tiger, like, everybody says, get a driver is someone in position to tell him, you need the driver or to stop him from driving right now.

You know, and you talk about him being on TV. He's on TV because of the TGL, right. Let's just put it that way. And TGL is going to squeeze every drop they can out of him. And this is part of the problem, right. And those are the people, many of the people around him squeezing the drops out of them. They got their highest ratings.

Second highest air eighties this week because tiger was there. And so who are those people? Are they people trying to squeeze every drop out of this is not to take agency out of tiger. This is not the fully blame the people around him, but they are, they are deserving of some blame.

But, you know, he's on TV. He doesn't look right. He hasn't looked right. There's a, there's a sort of.

I mentioned this in September when he was hitting balls. There is a like Joe Biden at the end of his presidency element here in my opinion.

I think there's people around him that, you know, won't confront him about his issues, won't confront him about maybe it's time to, you know, that there's a problem.

There are the media won't ask these questions because it's tiger woods. It's a person of a prominent authority. It's person who's generally like quite frankly respected and revered for his work.

And so there is like an element of whether it's the tour, whether it's always so instrumental. He's just a, he's, he's a leader. He's a voice whether it's people around him, people at the tour, people in golf media.

There is an element of, of deference that has gone too far. And so, Dev, I, I mean, jump in here. I know you have like some thoughts on the people around him and, and this quite frankly, you know, pattern, this pattern of what appears to be an addiction appears.

The first thing I would say is that your right to privacy ends where the public road begins.

And you can feel empathy for someone who is suffering and in pain or might be dealing with, you know, I think it's fair to say addictions.

And we went to, to rehab once for, for pain addiction or pain pill addiction and also be really disappointed.

Like there's nothing wrong with being like I'm, I'm pissed about the way that you continue to behave, you know, and you could just limit that just to putting yourself behind the wheel and driving at excessive speeds.

You know, this is the third major car crash that could have endangered, you know, others.

Can I just quickly add you, Andy talked about how fast he was going in LA. He was in the upper 80s in like a 45 when you got an accident. It just at.

And never once hit the brakes on that, you know, probably, you know, what sat at a stoplight for eight seconds, or six to eight seconds before.

It was in a green light right before. So he's either on his phone or not paying attention or fell asleep or whatever in the previous accident.

We don't know what happened in this, you know, I'm assuming someone will come out. Look, it's really hard to win a DWI prosecution.

If someone doesn't agree to a urine test, especially if they blow 00. So we'll probably never know kind of what exactly happened here. I think Andy's correct.

We'll probably get some sort of explanation of, you know, this is some stake here and that.

But I think you talked about everyone. I've seen a lot of this stuff of he just needs to get a driver needs to get a driver.

I think in some ways, obviously that's true, but it fundamentally misunderstands who Tiger is.

He absolutely will never see that control to someone else because he doesn't like to see control in anything in his life.

And there is no one in his life who can tell him that except maybe his kids.

He was not going to listen to all the people that he employs.

We're going to tell him like, hey, man, like let's just get you a full-time driver.

You don't want he likes being behind the wheel. He likes having that alpha mentality of I get to control wherever I go.

And no one else is going to control me because a lot of his life was kind of controlled.

And so that's in some ways represents freedom to him.

And I just think that it is really disappointing that at this point he cannot see that he continues to endanger other people.

And it's in fact been really lucky that he hasn't hurt someone else in a very serious way.

Really, really lucky, really lucky.

I love my kids watch Ford Center Saturday morning and this came up.

He's on Sports Center with Mark Slaybot, Hannah Storm, and my 13-year-old, he's 13.

He's like seen this before now.

He says, how has he not died yet?

My 13-year-old said that.

Am I 10-year-old responding because he's Tiger Woods?

Well, that's like kind of, I think maybe the mindset Tiger has and the people have around.

I was like, God, 13 and 10-year-olds are just like making bagels for him.

I'm listening.

That's kind of the whole deal.

He's not died yet because he's Tiger Woods.

It's this sort of completely baseless because he's Tiger Woods as a response.

They're breaking it down for me.

It feels like.

But that's the problem.

He's really lucky.

Is it getting to the point where his kids have to say something or someone gets really hurt himself?

He's really lucky himself or someone else hasn't.

We just got done with, in Olympics, where one of the defining images was a guy's kids on the ice

because someone decided to drive impaired.

I'm not connecting that directly to Tiger, but there are consequences when people decide to do this.

And he's incredibly lucky, quite frankly.

And is this going to persist until that?

That's the decision point.

Is that what stops it?

A grievous injury to someone or himself?

I think, yeah, I mean, it's a great question.

And obviously, we're never going to know until it's kind of up to him at this point,

also up to what happens with this case or whether he gets his license revoked.

But I think you guys hit on one of the issues.

So you can talk about people around him.

But one of the fascinating things about fame and power and sports or any industry

is the way that your relationships shift.

When you get to the level of Tiger Woods, obviously he has his kids.

He has his ex-wife.

But for the most part, everybody around you, all they're doing is asking you for things.

That's all that the basis of your relationships are become, you know, and this could sound hollow,

but it's the truth.

The basis of many of these athletes' relationships is people asking them for something,

sucking them kind of dry of like, hey, like, yeah, I'm doing this.

Like, this is my long-term plan that this person doesn't know.

You know, I'm getting close to them.

With Tiger, like, a golf, he has been, to me, in a way, like, sucked dry by the sport of golf.

Everything has been, you know, he is the sport and so much of the success can be tied back to, you know, his incredible career.

But for the last, you know, 10 years where he's been a semi-competitive golfer,

like, the stories are always, hey, when's Tiger coming back and what's he going to do?

So I'm so forth to the point where, like, you know, part of this is, like,

it kind of has glazed over some of the things that he's dealing with in his life.

The injuries, the constant injuries, the constant surgeries that, like,

there hasn't been time for, like, recovery.

It's always, like, what's he going to do next in this idea of, like, that,

versus actually addressing some of the issues?

Yeah, I think that's, like, the bigger issue here is that he has to,

has to address his personal issues.

And golf needs to take itself out of, like, putting stuff on him.

Expectations on him until he's able to address his issues.

And hopefully, like, listen, like, he's, he inspired me.

He inspired me as a kid to get in the golf.

And I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without him.

Like, I think the best thing that could happen is if Tiger Woods could become an icon for, you know,

and really, like, an example and, like, someone who really pushes, like,

safe driving as his next chapter, like, be the best person for safe driving

and knowing when not to get behind the wheel of the car at this point,

because, like, I don't care anymore what he does in golf at this point

until he fixes his own issues.

That's the thing, like, we love Tiger because he was a golfing god.

The golf is gone now.

I'm sorry, like, okay, he's going to, in which what enrages me,

like, what are we worshiping?

Like, what are we, like, what are we glazing?

What are we propping up at this point?

Which, worship, like, what he's done in the game of golf?

I mean, golf has a Tiger Woods addiction.

Like, we would talk about addiction.

Like, golf cannot let go of Tiger as, like, this thing that we kind of keep holding up.

I mean, we have, you look at some of the reaction yesterday,

it was, a lot of it was jokes.

A lot of it was like, you know, I was just happening.

Whoa, well, like, I can't believe this.

Like, what do you mean you can't believe it?

Your eyes are near China.

Yeah.

You know, and talk about the thing you watch him publicly appear

and how variable his, his just void, the way he speaks is.

The way the slurs when he speaks.

Yeah.

Let's put it that out there because I think that's a fair thing to comment on.

It's like, oftentimes when he is on camera

and this dates truly back to the Ryder Cup in France,

when I was there.

When he would talk sometimes, he was like he was slurring his words.

And you could tell that something's wrong.

He literally fell asleep in the press conference after the Ryder Cup.

And I think Brennan, you're making a really good point is the era of, like,

just kind of like cringing and talking about this stuff behind the scenes

is probably, like, really reminiscent of the Biden stuff.

It's like everybody just doesn't want to touch it because, you know,

someone probably needs to start being honest about some of this stuff.

Yeah, because there's difference from the tour people, because he's a God

and he means so much and there's difference from the media for the same reasons.

I, I, so like, look, there's a ton of empathy for his addiction or problem

or whatever he wanted to find it, right?

That affects all of us, someone we know in one way or another.

Like, there's a lot of empathy there.

And you can see how he, that could happen with all the injuries.

Obviously, you made the point when he gets behind the wheel that's,

there's no empathy for that.

There's no, there's, there's only criticism, critique, and score.

And I think like what we saw in reaction was like a lot of like,

you know, how is this happening?

And also sort of over the top, like, there's a gray area here, right?

There's empathy and there's absolute score and critique.

I got like really mad.

And so there's, those are two emotions.

And I got really mad at the people around him, which I don't know if they have any power,

but his agent, brand ambassadors, friends and family,

whoever you would define them as.

Anyone in golf that like lets him TGL, like I was like this bullshit league

that has him, you know, trotting him out there and like he clearly has an issue

and like, that's not where he should be.

Like, I was just mad at like the people around him.

I don't know if that's fair.

Like, what do you, can't, I mean, how much blamed you laid the feet of the people around?

I mean, there's some, but also I think we need to kind of remember

that like Tiger has cut out every single person in his life

who has ever sort of dared speak against him.

You know, there's sort of a royal family quality to it as like,

you know, as soon as Bush Harman was time for him to go,

it was time for him to go.

As soon as, you know, his first agent, it was like, you're gone.

The various friends, Mark O'Mare, I got cut off for years after, you know,

daring to speak out of turn.

Like it just, I think there's a general culture of fear around him

if you're his friend that you shouldn't dare speak in some way

that might, you know, offend him.

He's ill because relationships with various other troopers kind of ebb

and flow based on like whether they're deference to him

or whether they're, you know, playing really good

and somehow kind of like overshadowing him at certain points in his career.

And so I do think like there's some pride involved of like,

how much do you want to sort of enable this behavior long term?

But also like Tiger, it's very difficult for him to have normal relationships

with people where he doesn't hold all the power.

You know, and that's a situation that's kind of discouraging.

But it's one that happens with famous people, right?

Famous people can cut you off at any point that they want

because they hold all the power.

And so I think it's very hard.

I have a little bit empathetic towards some of the people

who probably have wanted to get him help at certain points in his life

or at the very least say, hey, like I'll take the wheel,

like I'll drive us to such and such place

because he's just going to say no, like screw you.

I'll get somebody else to fill your position.

You're meaningless to me.

I think like just something that's important to just point out

with addiction is it's impossible to help somebody

that doesn't admit to themselves that there is an issue.

You know, it's impossible to, you know, like you're,

nothing's going to change until the person who's having the issues

admits to themselves that there is an issue.

And like that is something that I wonder.

Like, yeah, you could, you could get mad at people around them.

You can, but like until you're in the situation of like having new,

you know, it's, it's a super frustrating

and difficult aspect of anybody that's dealt with,

with, you know, love one that's had addiction issues

is that like you see the problem.

You can see like how they need to do something.

You see what it's doing to them personally.

But sometimes like many times in many cases,

if that person doesn't believe that there is a problem,

you're kind of like, there's not a lot you can do.

And that's like the hard thing.

And I would say like the situation here is like,

I just, I don't want him game behind the wheel ever again.

Like he can do, listen, it's his life.

And he can, he can go about it in any way.

But like we can't, we, you know,

like we as a society can't have, you know,

people that are constantly endadering people around him

getting behind the wheel of car.

You know, that's as you said, Kevin,

like what he does with his private life is private

until you get behind the wheel of a car.

And that's the real issue above anything here.

But like with, with regards to addiction

rehabilitation, it, it all starts with the,

with the subject acknowledging there's an issue.

And I'm not sure that, that we're there.

Yeah, I mean, like think about how many rounds of sort of

pretty embarrassing like mug shots and photos.

And like, and it's just it happening again.

Like the pictures of him slumped or hiding in the escalate

as it drives out are really, really depressing.

And does that change your behavior?

It didn't change it the last time.

That time after that.

And like, so it's almost lost his leg.

Right.

Right.

It, it, it, he should not be allowed to drive.

Is that, do we get to that point where he's not allowed to drive?

I saw someone, I chuckled initially like,

should he be allowed to drive a car on the champion's tour?

I was like, I chuckled to that.

And honestly, then I had to think about like,

should he not be allowed to drive?

I don't know what you take the control,

what amount of control you take away from him.

And as Kevin said, he's not willing to like see it

because he's tied a tiger up in woods.

You know, we, he's wearing golf clothes.

When he got out of this car there to make the phone call.

So, you know, I think it's fair to say that maybe he was practicing

somewhere trying to get ready for the masters.

I, I just wish for his sake that he could find the next stage

in his life that would fulfill him the way the competition

engulfed it.

I mean, maybe, you know, that's far be it for me to say,

like, you know, take the thing that you were most passionate about

in life and just put it on the shelf.

But, you know, there, Andy, I think you kind of touched

to something like, there's a reckoning that needs to probably

happen that like that time has come and gone.

And like the, the part of tiger that is kind of always

like the pain, like kind of related to his dad is like a Navy

seal and, you know, thought like, I'm, I'm connecting to my

father somehow by putting myself through the strain of the

struggle of this.

Hobbling up the 18th at a gust that like this is.

You need, you need to kind of address some of those issues

in therapy and in just a way to kind of move forward with your

life because you, you owe it to the people who love you to

to figure this next party life out.

It's a long life to live.

And I think when you, when he turned 50, I wrote about that,

like instead of like constantly like looking backwards about

all tiger did, like, it would be nice if we could look forward

and be like, man, you could build some really great golf

courses.

You could shape the future of the PJ tour.

You could be around for your son's golf career, which

could be really good.

And you're putting all that at risk because your ego will

not let you hand the keys to somebody else.

Even if you never want to deal with whatever it is that's

going on, you could owe it to your family and to the other

people on the road to basically say, like, I have lost the

privilege to drive myself around like this.

I think a part of what, what has to change, and I don't

know that it will, is how we cover this.

I think like talking like the Biden comp, there was like,

there's a difference that that that led into sort of

detached, detached from reality, almost negligence or

irresponsibility.

I guess would probably be the word irresponsible, be the

word.

Like, it's good.

You should defer to someone who's this prominent and

achieved all this thing in a way, right?

He's, he's an icon.

But it just, it became detached from eyes and ears and

the, and the reality of the record.

And like, that's something I, I've struggled with.

Like, I think it frames how I view Tiger.

I'm not going to, like, I watched the golf channel after

the press conference and they were like, this came out of

nowhere.

I'm so shocked.

I'm so surprised with some of the commentary.

And that's just not accurate.

And, and I think like, I will hear stories about how he

was, you know, in coherent here or it seemed out of

it there or, you know, he was docked at some, you know,

the TGL or TGR sort of learning lab opening and Philly,

like, yeah, but I don't like, like, what good does it do

passing that along, right?

That's, that's pointless to talk about that.

He clearly has an issue.

I think it frames how you, how much difference you give,

right?

I think is how high I've approached that.

And I think I don't want to like get this into a media

discussion, but there is a responsibility.

And I don't know if golf media is equipped or

even just the modern media environments equipped on how we

talk about Tiger.

There, there has to be some sort of realistic framing and viewing

of who he is and his struggles.

Instead of just, oh my God, the FCC would not exist without Tiger

and the future of golf, the pet, like, we know that's not the case.

We know that's not the case, but the way they talk about it on

television and at the tour is quite frankly detached from reality.

And the biggest laughable PR.

I remember being once at the US Open Press conference

Brendan and a radio person said, this was the question that he asked.

And this is an opportunity to ask questions that people said,

you know, we're all here because of you.

And we just want to thank you for a minute.

Thank you for everything that you've done.

And I thought there isn't like, there's some truth to that.

There's a lot of truth to that.

But what an embarrassing way to sort of behave in a media press

conference, you know, to sort of completely sort of grant like,

oh, you can behave however which way you want because none of us

would have jobs without your presence.

And I think there's a lot of people who think that way.

Sadly, and that is part of what leads to this difference of like, well,

he can behave whatever he wants because he's brought us so much good

into the world.

You know, like, again, your privacy ends where the public road begins.

So like, you don't want to deal with these issues.

That's fine.

But don't drive past my kid's school.

And frankly, like for golf, the FCC, you know,

like, it seems to be a big issue in his life.

And like, I don't think that's necessarily great for the FCC.

You know, you.

Future competitions committee just.

Yeah.

This isn't golf.

If you, if you put your shoes, your, your feet in like being in a,

like, you know, running a running a company or running a team.

And having someone on your staff that's having, you know,

like, just doesn't show up to say way every day because of,

you know, issues that they're dealing with, whether it's, you know,

whatever it may be.

Like, you have a talk and you, you generally take responsibility

off people's plates when they're dealing with this stuff like this.

And I think it's time, time for golf to kind of take.

And I, I don't want to sound holier than now.

But like, it's time for golf to, to acknowledge and take

responsibility off of Tiger's plate.

Because like, whether or not he asked for it, whether or not he volunteered

to do these things.

All of this is contributing to his own personal issues right now.

And it's kind of one of those things where the, where the deck has to be

cleared.

And golf has to say, hey, we're, we can't wait for you to come back

when you're ready to come back, you know, versus like, you know,

the TGL, the, like, oh, he's going to play.

Anybody that watched a TGL broadcast in this, this year,

like, if you watched Tiger, it was like clear that, you know,

he was, it wasn't all there.

The way showed up was so variable week to week.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, but that's not what you'll hear.

Like, oh, the man is in the building.

Like, that's the, like, I, there's got to be some balance there.

And I, do you think it changes?

Do you think, like, for both of you, do you think golf starts to ask

us of him, or do you think the media coverage becomes, or at

least just the, the, the internal tour of you or the media

view, it becomes any more realistic.

I think this incident has shifted people's willingness to say

the stuff they've been thinking out loud for a long time.

This crash, this rollover, where it happened is insanely

egregious.

Could have been a lot worse.

I was, I was joking.

I don't know if I should even share this, but I was joking with,

with my family last night that if you got me super, super

lubed up and said, tell me one place that you can drive to get

home.

This would probably be the place that I would choose.

Like, this is, this crash to me is like, the most egregious

crash you could possibly have.

In the sense of like knowing the side.

It could happen.

Yeah.

Like inconceivable.

Like, if you place somebody there with a car, I don't know if they

could roll it over.

We clip the, clip the trailer and flip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're trying to go a high speed and pass.

So anyways, I just, I think the level of this one had, I think

that change in the tiger discourse has, has happened because

of the level of, you know, it's kind of a don't pee on me and

tell me it's a raining situation.

Do you think it's changed?

I thought some of the reaction yesterday was embarrassing.

Yeah, but I think people called out how embarrassing it was.

It's sort of like the coverage, you know,

Sure.

Um, kept, kept, you think it'll change going forward.

You think we'll ask less of him golf will I have my doubts about

that based on the, uh, the capitalistic and, you know, impulses

that he bring that that he can provide.

Um, and you think media will, will start to reveal that with more

realistic lines.

I don't know.

I mean, I, I did say something recently on the Friday

about how the, the juice isn't quite there as much as it wants.

Well, it's like the, the stories don't go like they once did, you

know, the interest isn't quite as, uh, you know, spicy in terms of, like,

whether he's going to come back, you know, I think I even said, and

you were talking last week, like, I don't kind of care if he plays

the masters kind of want that storyline to sort of us to move on from it.

There is a lot of people.

I think maybe what we're looking at that from the golf media perspective

and part of what Tiger has always done has appealed to a much larger

lens of people.

Uh, and so you have a lot of the people who don't follow golf, uh, week

to week, couldn't tell you any players in the field besides Tiger

or Rory, who this is all that they ever want is like, what's Tiger

doing?

Like, there's a reason that like, there was a golf count Tiger track

created and why every, they used to always put his name on the crawl

at the bottom of things, no matter what place he was in.

There are people for whom golf only is Tiger Woods.

And so I don't know that that is going to change.

I think it would be wise.

If I were Brian Rollup, I would say like, I don't know that like,

this is the person who I want shape in my future as a major sport.

Like, and is he going to be offended by that?

Maybe, but let him, you know, I don't know.

It could lead to sort of a internal sort of civil war within the tour

of who you stand with here.

If commissioner of the soon new CEO is like, you're not going to be involved

in some of this stuff until you get your life cleaned up,

but that's kind of the NFL mentality.

I also like that's something that could provoke change

in Tiger's life.

Yeah.

It's like actually one of the few places I think that has the infrastructure,

the stability, and the power that that could say we're okay.

We've been okay.

Like, we're okay.

At this point, we don't need your help.

Yeah.

Like, would we love Tiger Woods operating at full capacity to help?

But like, let's be clear.

Let's be honest with the whole situation.

And that's where also like, what's, I think,

weird about the whole thing.

And maybe it's true.

Maybe Tiger has been like huge help to this.

But like, Brian Rollup just did a press conference a month ago.

Where he praised all the, all the things that Tiger's brought

to the whole process.

Yeah.

He's, I think he's probably a bridge to the players who have a high amount

of skepticism.

But like, how much?

I mean, what about, like, he's no longer, I don't know.

Sort of the, the, the, the stature diminishes with each of these kind

of embarrassment.

Sure.

That's right.

I think if you're like a 25 year old golfer, like, a lot of Tiger

is just some of this, this kind of stuff that happened,

that the, the rest and the, sort of, even though many of us moments.

And I, like, I did not, when it first happened, we talked.

I was like, is this a huge deal?

Like, you're talking about the golf media versus the larger,

like, landscape.

This is, I was like, no, I don't think this is like, yeah.

Of course he crashed his car.

Of course, it's Tiger Woods.

He crashes his car.

Like, is he dead?

Then it's a big deal.

As soon as he said no injury, like, no, not a big deal.

And then I saw, like, it was like Dave Portinoi tweet, like, this is the

biggest story in sports.

And then, like, started to hit me.

Like, oh, this is, I guess, in CNN and all these, like, becomes a big deal.

I, for me, I'd been so deep in the golf space.

It was like, yeah, Tiger crashed his car.

As long as nobody's hurt, this is kind of what happened.

And I, I'm not saying I'm accepting of it.

But I just didn't think it was like, you know, Tiger or Scottie

Sheffler breaks his leg.

To me and golf, that would be an immediate big deal.

But of course, this is a much larger national news story.

That was my initial reaction yesterday.

I just, the part of what you'd talk about, like, is the media has evolved so much

in the last 20 years, as it always does.

But like, where, you know, a lot of the people who hold the power

don't have a journalism background and they came to this because they're fans.

And so they're projecting on the way their fan would.

And I don't know, you know, I don't know how to reckon with that exactly

because the fan is always going to come at it from a bias perspective.

That's the nature of being a fan.

And I just, I kind of just discouraged by the whole thing in general.

Like I just wish that he could be honest with himself and that we could be honest

that, you know, the golf era is kind of over.

And it would be sort of be who've everyone to.

I mean, I, I think Brennan, to your point, I've always kind of wondered how much

like the, the powers would be within golf.

This sort of would include the PJ tour.

It's kind of using Tiger's reputation to burnrster, like burnrst their own credibility.

Like this isn't someone who is like a genius business person.

Like it's really good at hitting a six iron.

It doesn't mean he was like super great at like building a business.

Like we saw that with Jack Nicholas who, you know, did a disaster as a businessman.

And so I just don't know, or disaster is going too far.

But like has really screwed up a lot of business things.

Of course, it was like.

And so I don't know that like this idea that just because Tiger was so great at golf

means he's like really smart at shaping the future of the PJ tour.

And there could come a time where the PJ tour is like, dude, like your reputation

ain't what it once was.

Like we kind of don't really want to take your advice on some of this stuff.

That's what I don't get.

Like what are we worshiping?

Like worship the highlights, the archives.

Like the golfing God that we love.

Like what are why don't get these sort of the hey geography of like the current Tiger?

Like what like it's it's weird, but it certainly is out there.

I mean, that's the other thing.

We haven't even talked about some of the other stuff that's happened in his life

other than the driving issues, you know.

It's to certain extent it might just be time to move on until like listen.

I think you almost have to move on in order to allow him the time to, you know,

address the things in his life that needed dressing and come out of it.

That's the thing with Tiger is like it could be an amazing redemption story

and he could stand for so many things that could make positive impact and change.

And I guess like actually the place that we need that we as a society probably need him

the least is figuring out the new PGA tour structure.

And can you make the cut of the masters?

So that's the thing with fame and incredible success is that you have the ability to be someone that can, you know,

institute and just stand for so much more than just what happens on a golf course

or what happens with golf going forward.

And that's what I would be, you know, in my humble thing is like this is the time

where we should allow Tiger to address his issues and come out and potentially be, you know,

be someone that we can idolize for other reasons than the way he hits a golf ball.

Yeah.

We'll see, we're recording this on Saturday morning.

You know, people are going to be like, what's next? When do we see him again?

Look, he's supposed to do the ceremonial like opening of the patch, the loop thing in a week almost.

Like just over a week in Augusta, there was speculation he was going to play the part three with Charlie and, you know,

Sam Catty, I don't know, I would imagine that's off table.

I don't know how we, how we, how the behavior changes, how the viewer and framing of him changes.

I was reading Billy Payne's 2010 press conference.

I don't think we're going to have like incredible lens into what happened when he came back from the sex scandal

and how that he would like, they had managed the hell out of like, Payne went hard and that would not happen today quite frankly.

So, I don't know if we'll see him at the master. I think there's going to be a lot of speculation.

I see like, there's articles already trying to juice like, will he see him at Sayota for the US senior open?

Before he got an accident, he registered for that.

Like, I don't really care about that stuff, but there's a rum where he's at Augusta.

I don't know, I don't know in a week.

I think Tiger has achieved a certain level of fame to where there are certain sect of people

for whom he could, there is nothing that he could do that could lose them.

Like, he could have run over a bunch of people in this and they would still be people who would be like,

I still want him to see golf, play golf, I don't care.

I don't care about those people, I care about Tiger.

And I think that that's kind of a gross reflection of how we treat fame in our world,

but I think that's really like a reality.

And I don't know how to wrestle with that, to be honest.

Yeah, yeah.

Another Tiger Woods incident, another Tiger Woods arrest.

I just thought we'd get, we would record podcast separate apart from the usual Monday.

Anything else you guys want to add or share before we move on?

We'll get back with you guys on Monday, the more regularly scheduled programming.

We'll follow up with one this story of anything further comes out,

but kind of felt like a, you know, responsibility to talk about it and understand

like how we view and frame this story.

So, appreciate you guys listening to Shotgun Start Kevin.

Thanks for joining us, Andy.

We will talk to you on Monday.

Good luck to your ally and I tonight.

We will, I don't know, we got to figure out if you're going to Indianapolis via Augusta.

How are we going to do?

Hopefully, that'll be a happy problem to solve maybe after the night.

We'll figure it out.

Enjoy good luck tonight.

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