Timothy Alberino: Why Mars Is the Key to Humanity’s Lost History | DSH #1746

It's been an objective of the mystery schools for a long, long time, an ancient desire, an ancient

objective to go to Mars. Because according to the mystery schools, that's where the gods

descended from. And it was Mars. And that the secrets of the gods, the knowledge of the gods,

is a planet Mars. I believe that the Sidonia region of Mars was inhabited and that there are

massive megalithic structures there.

Okay guys, really excited for this one today. We got Timothy out here in

Las Vegas, author of Birthright, and the book of Enoch. Thanks for your time today, man.

Yeah, thanks for having me, my pleasure. You've been busy. You've been blowing up on social

media lately, man. So congrats. Currently so. Yeah, been going on some big shows. Did you expect all

this mainstream attention? Yeah, I figured that once, once the these kind of topics that I talk about,

the UFO stuff, some of the biblical stuff, Nephilim, that sort of those themes, once those

went mainstream, I figured I'd get pulled along with them. Yeah. Did you fit? Did you see the

support right away? Because these are pretty controversial topics, right? In certain communities,

you know, I mean, like in the UFO community and in the, I don't even know how to describe

this other, the Nephilim community, I guess I would describe it. Yeah, so there's guys like me that

have been operating in those arenas for years. And then suddenly this stuff goes mainstream and people

just start hearing about you, but you know, we have a long history behind this guys like me doing

stuff and researching people like my colleague Elie Marsouli, you know, we've been out there for

a long time. Yeah. In the UFO space, I'm very curious. You're you're opinion on the three

eye out list stuff. That's in the mainstream news. Yeah. You investigated that. I mean, I've looked

into it somewhat. I, I don't really know what to think of it. Okay. And people that I trust that

I've talked to it about, talked to about it. We are, we are all basically the same mindset that

it's very interesting. It's very anomalous. It's unusual, but nobody knows exactly what it is.

I mean, there's certain attributes, characteristics that might suggest that it's artificial,

but then there's other things where it seems like it is a comet. You know, that's, that's come into

our solar system. Very unique. Interesting. Very unique cosmic body. But there's people out there

who are saying definitively that it's an alien spaceship and loaded with all extraterrestrials or

something. We don't have, we don't have any evidence one way or the other right now. Yeah.

It is interesting though that NASA. And I don't know if they've since released the photos, but they,

they never really released the high definition photos that they must have. They have them of this

object. They've only released as far as I'm aware. Maybe, maybe I haven't done my homework. No,

you're right. You're right. But the, the only images I've seen from NASA are very low resolution.

That's interesting. Why, why is that the case? So somebody's got high res images of this thing.

And I talked to a source of mine who told me that there's a lot of, there was at least,

I don't know if it's still the case, there was some trepidation in Washington, DC about this

object. Wow. And I asked this person, well, is it because they're, they're nervous about this

being an extraterrestrial artificial or is it because maybe there's, there's an impact

potentiality here. And he said could be both, but definitely there's some trepidation in Washington.

Interesting. It does seem like the American government at least wants us to fear aliens or UFOs.

I remember going up. That was kind of my mindset with the, well, I would say that the, the,

the objective for decades has been to, to deny and obfuscate the reality of UFOs. And now that

this topic is going mainstream, mainly since 2017 with the Nimitz, the article on the Nimitz

incident that was released in the New York Times, that's really when the, the, the modern iteration

of the UFO phenomenon began at least the public perception of it. And, but, you know, we've been,

there's decades of, of ufology behind us, 80 years of ufology. And basically, what's happening

now is we're seeing these whistleblowers come forward. And I know and interact with some of these

guys. And, and their testimony is, it's a confirmation of what we've known in ufology again for decades.

Nothing they have said is surprising to people who've been studying this topic. Wow. And there's

a lot of people who are new to this topic. And they've, they've, they've, they've just become

interested in UFOs since 2017. A lot of people, not a lot of people since 2020. And so there's a

lot of opinions out there, but, but, but not many people left anymore who are well researched,

well grounded, and who have familiarized themselves with, again, the decades old research in this

field. And if you do, you find that what the whistleblowers are saying directly corresponds to

what has been known. So the threat narrative, um, it depends on how you look at this. If, if you

believe, for example, that alien abduction is happening, but it's real, which I do, I absolutely

believe, alien abduction is real. Um, I've done a considerable amount of research into abduction.

I interface with abductees in a physical sense, you believe it's real. Like, yes,

they have their physical bodies are being taken. Absolutely. Yeah. They're, they're abductees,

you know, in all of you, apology, the abduction phenomenon is where a lot of the evidence lies.

There's more evidence in the abduction phenomenon that you could, you could talk about lights in

the sky. You can talk about crash retrieval type stuff. None of us have ever seen, most of us have

never seen an alien craft up close or a, or a crash retrieval site. We've been to a crash retrieval

site, but millions of people have been abducted and have been, have been physically taken from their

homes or wherever they happen to be, and brought onto the alien vessels. And they've been subjected

to really what amounts to a breeding program, a program of hybridization where they're hybridizing

humans and, and essentially gray aliens or, or the insectulence. So, um, the abduction program

is intrusive. The abduction phenomenon is intrusive into the lives of abductees. They don't

ask for it. And they don't, most of them don't, don't want it to happen anymore. And it's, it's,

it's terrorizing. It's terrifying and terrorizing. And they wanted to stop. So there's only one view

really in my mind to have in regard to the abduction phenomenon. It's negative. This is an intrusion.

So, so this is a threat. I mean, if you're somebody who, you didn't give permission to be taken,

you didn't give permission to be integrated into this breeding program. And abductees, the,

the reason why so many abductees stay quiet is A, because most of them don't, but they only have

fragment fragmentary memories of the abduction episodes. A lot of them have screen memories,

so their false memories. Most abductees don't even realize their abductees.

Wow. And the ones that do, the ones that that have conscious recall that can remember their

abduction episodes. They don't want to talk about it because, because the things that happen

on the craft are, are embarrassing to them and can be compromising for their relationships with

their spouses, because abductees are often forced to have intercourse with other humans on board,

on board these vessels, these alien vessels, or sometimes even with hybrids. Holy crap. So it's,

there's a very intensely sexual component to this. And you can imagine why, you know,

why people stay quiet about it. It's embarrassing. Yeah, for sure. It can be compromising. And it's,

it's not their fault. They're forced to do these things. They don't have a choice. So when you look

at it from that angle, you talk about a threat narrative. Well, there's a threat narrative right

there. And what is the objective of the breeding program? And I'm, I am, I have a great deal of

confidence that the breeding program is happening and has been happening for decades.

Well, what is the objective? What's the end game? Well, apparently, according to researchers like

David Jacobs, Dr. David Jacobs, he published a book, a series of books on the abduction phenomenon

in his, his last book before he retired was called Walking Among Us. And in that book, he proposes,

based on the testimony of abductees, he proposes that we've entered into an, an integration phase,

where the advanced human alien hybrids, which he denominates, hybrids are integrated into,

integrating into human society, or at least learning the basics, learning the ropes of how to act normal

in human society. And, and what's happening is according to the testimony of the abductees that,

that Jacobs interfaced with, they, they have what they call personal, what he, what he calls personal

project hybrids. And ab, some of these abductees are assigned, are assigned adult hybrids. And they

have to take these hybrids around and teach them about life on earth. And again, how to integrate

into society without standing out. So it's, it's a covert operation. So what's that about? I'd say

that's a threat. And if you don't, you don't know what the objective is. And by the way, Dr.,

Dr. Jacobs believes that the objective of the gray aliens is planetary acquisition.

Wow. So, you know, there's, there's different opinions right now in the UFO community. And there's

a lot of people who are against the so-called threat narrative. But the threat is there. Now I am

cautious because I don't want to, I don't want to see the formulation of a one-world government

to address this threat or to give our government more power, emergency powers and so forth. So I,

I don't want that. I'm not for that. But I think we need to, to acknowledge the reality of the

situation and, and the threat component because it's there. Yeah. Wow. I can't believe that. That's

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There's a rope or pole conducted years ago and based on certain questions,

in the way that people answered these questions, it was determined that somewhere between 2.5

and 5% of the population is being abducted. The American population is a lot. We can probably

extrapolate that out globally because obviously the UFO phenomenon and the abduction phenomenon are

not, it's not an American phenomenon. It's global. That was my next question actually. Is it more

targeted in certain regions? Do you think they're just going out the random people? Do you think

their approach is very important? It is hereditary. If your parents are abductees, then you're an

abductee. I've found no exception to that rule by the way. If your parents are abductees and you

are, or one of your parents, if one of the parents happens to be an abductee, then all of the

children are. There's no escaping them up. Not really, no. It's cumulative over time, the amount

of people that are inducted into the program. Again, against their will, most of them don't really

know what's going on. They just know that they go to bed one night and they have strange dreams and

then they wake up the next morning with various kinds of physical markings on their body. One of

the popular, one of the more common physical demarcations of abduction is scoop marks. People have

them on their arms or sometimes on their hands, various parts of their body. But then also that

delta shape, there's a series of impressions in the skin that look like dots and it's in a delta

formation, so triangle formation. That's very common. Again, this is around a physical evidence.

When people are abducted, they're physically missing from the point of abduction. This isn't

out of body experience. It's not astral projection. They're gone. They're physically gone and there's

been cases where there's been search parties sent out to find these people and they're missing

for a couple of hours and then they're suddenly and inexplicably returned to the point of abduction.

While their search party is out looking for them, so return back to their bedrooms or whatever.

Sometimes they're abducted from their bedroom, which is probably the most common case,

abducted from the bedroom and then they're dropped off outside of their house on their patio

and the doors and windows are locked and so have to break in to get back in the house.

I mean, sometimes they're returned with the wrong clothes on. Sometimes they come back and

they're closed around backwards or no clothes at all. And this is quite common. People will have

an abduction experience in episode and they interact with sometimes other abductees. You have

smaller scale abductions where it's just you or a couple other people and they have large scale

abductions, like community abductions almost where you have hundreds of people on a vessel

and they're all laid out on tables and they're all in a state of sedation. They're incapacitated

for the most part. How did they get you in that state, you think? There's a couple of ways. I think

there's telepathic control, but then also they're implanted. I think all abductees are implanted

with a chip or with a device, some sort of a technological device that it evades detection

in your body. It doesn't it doesn't cause an inflammatory response. So it's a very advanced

piece of technology, like nanotech or something. Something like that. A lot of abductees have

implants around the nasal cavity, sometimes around the ears, behind the ears, in the neck,

but they can be anywhere in the body and they migrate. They can migrate.

If you're implanted with this technology, then maybe it's interacting with your nervous system.

And it's mainly gray aliens that are doing the abducting. And I know that there's an

narrative out there that it's not that the gray aliens are created by the CIA, elements of the

CIA that are people dressing up as aliens and you know, drugging somebody and stating them and

making them think they're being abducted by aliens. Maybe that happens to some extent and maybe

it has and it wouldn't surprise me, but the phenomenon itself is not that. It is wholly alien.

It's not a human phenomenon and it's happening in such a vast scale. When, for example,

there's cases, I've personally talked to someone who's who experienced a what I would describe as

a corporate abduction, where it's not just you, but all of your family and your neighbors are

abducted, the ones that are abductees. And when this happens, a craft will land in the

neighborhood somewhere. Let's say it's usually a rural neighborhood. Abductees are often

they have this inclination to move out into the country, many of them and or into communities that

are more secluded. And so in those cases, a craft will land like in a field near the town and then

there'll be dozens and dozens of people abducted at the same time. And in many cases, the grays will

go and you know, they're holding them by the hand and they're walking them out of their house.

They're sometimes floating them out of their house. That depends on the proximity of the craft.

If the craft is in close proximity, then it deploys technology that is

fallen tents and purposes indistinguishable from magic, you know, levitation to it.

It's like so movies, right? That's right. Yeah, so the so the craft if it's close to the house,

it will deploy a beam of light, usually a bluish, huge beam of light through a window.

And abductees, the grays will come in through the light and then they'll take the abductees out

through the light. Wow, so they could phase your physical body through. You can go through a closed

window. Now, some people say you can go through the walls and ceilings. That may be true,

but I wonder if it's all through windows because sometimes closed windows, sometimes there's

cases where an abductee is in a room without windows in the grays will actually escort them

to a different room that has a window. It doesn't matter how small the window is as long as

that beam of light can get into the room and then they're transported into the craft through the

light. Holy crap. Now, when the craft is not in proximity, in this case, I was describing in a

corporate, corporate abduction where it's landed in a field and the grays have gone in and they're

gathering, they're, they are retrieving a various abductees at the same time. Then, as I said,

they go into the houses and they, they lead the abductees by the hand out, you know, through their

yard across the street, through the woods into the field. And this is why so many abductees have

these vague memories of, you know, especially when they're kids, they'll remember that when they

were a toddler, when they were, you know, five years old, they remember holding the hand of this

little ball gray guy. And, and walking across the street and, and one person told me she remembers

looking to her right, she's being led by a gray and she looks to her right and her neighbors are

also being all led by gray aliens by the hand. Wow, into the craft. So these people sometimes,

you have abductees who they encounter each other on a craft. And then they don't know, they've

never seen each other in any other context. This is the first time their meeting is on this craft,

right? If they're not from the same neighborhood. And then they'll run into each other just

out there in the world. And they will recognize each other from these, from the encounter they had

on the craft without any previous interaction. I mean, we can just go on and on and on, the physical

evidence in the abduction phenomenon is, I mean, you could prove this in a, in a court of law.

That's fascinating. So this is where a lot of the evidence is, people say, well, where's the

evidence of this stuff? Why don't, why don't they show us the aliens or show us the craft or whatever?

Well, the government's never going to do that, not anytime soon. But, you know, it's a good

possibility. One of your neighbors has been on the craft and interacts with the gray's routinely,

but maybe doesn't realize it. Yeah. So this, this phenomenon is pervasive. You say routinely,

I was actually going to ask, so they're repeatedly abducting the same person over and over. It's not

like a one and done type of thing based off your research. Abduction is for life. So you, again,

it's, it's hereditary. So it's your family line. So if your parents are abductees, you're being

taken, you know, at least by the time you're toddler. Wow. And it doesn't appear that it ends

until you're, you're in your old age. And, and I know, again, from talking to abductees,

that some abductees that I've interfaced with, they're abducted when they're toddlers,

and when they would be brought onto the ship, they would see elderly people on the ship.

And in one case, a particular friend of mine said, she was being escorted onto a ship in one

of these situations where the craft landed in like a field and she's being escorted by a gray.

And when she was going onto the ship, it's a saucer. She, she's boarding the ship and there's

an older woman sitting there. Of course, she's sitting on a bench that looks like it's molded

into the wall. And the old lady looks at her and she's distraught and she said, I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, honey, but this is going to happen to you for the rest of your life.

So you hear you have a young lady and then an older woman being abducted at the same time,

the older woman realizing that she's been involved in this for a long time and that this younger girl

is also going to be subjected to this for her whole whole life. So, again, going circling

back to the, the threat narrative. So to me, you know, this is an invasive hostile operation.

Even if let's say the grays have good intentions and I don't think they do, I think whatever

intentions they have may be good for them, but they're not necessarily good for us, but

even if the grays have good intentions, benevolent intentions, the operations that they're conducting

are, are so invasive, they're treating us like cattle. And it's, it's hard to morally justify

that. Man, you got me wondering if I've been abducted. I wake up a weird mark sometimes. What kind

of marks? Like bruises, uh, uh, I wonder what this one you could kind of see. I get weird bruises

sometimes, but people just write that off as like you're getting older, you know? Yeah.

Have you ever had dreams of floating through your house? I had one dream where I felt like I was

astral projecting. Yeah. Through you wall or through your ceiling or something? Yeah. I went out

to house and was like flying there. What did you see? So you could see the house below you? Yeah.

Yeah. Have you ever seen orbs in your house? Actually, around your property, orbs,

uh, sometimes in photos, you know, but you've never seen any in your home? Now with my own eyes.

Have you ever had, uh, sleep paralysis where you feel like somebody's in the room with you? Oh,

yes. When I was a kid in my old house all the time. By the way, these are the questions,

some of the questions that were in the ropper. Oh, yeah. That were in the ropper pole. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. You answer, if there's five, and if you answer yes to like three out of the five,

then there's a pretty high probability you're an object. I think I just answered yes to three of them.

Yeah. Jesus. But it's just not, I mean, it's not ironclad. It's not,

uh, there'd have to be a much deeper evaluation. But yeah, you would be an interesting candidate

for, let's say, a hypnotic regression to try and see if you have memories of, of

objections, because most abductees don't have memories. I don't have any, uh, um, they're there,

but they're sequestered behind a firewall. And if you try and get the memories, get to the

memories, usually what you'll be presented with is a screen memory, which is a false memory. Wow.

They could plan a false memory. They plan false memories in your mind. So you're, you,

you confront a screen met, usually some people have conscious recall of a lot of the actual details

for whatever reason. But most people, if they can remember anything at all, they're presented

with a screen memory. So it's a screen memory is a false memory. Sometimes it involves like

animals. For example, you'll see a, here's not, here's a scenario I've heard. You'll be driving

along the road. You'll see a craft looks like a bright light. Sometimes it's following you. It's

like it's closer. You realize it's a craft. And then the next thing people remember is like,

I saw like a deer. Hmm. The next thing I remember is a deer staring at me, but it had black eyes.

Well, I didn't like this sort of weird bizarre, uh, scenario that doesn't make any sense. But when

you penetrate and you circumvent those screen memories, you realize that it wasn't a deer. It was

a gray alien standing at their door. Wow. Right. That's crazy. And then they open up the door and

they're let out and they go up into the craft. And, um, quite common actually, abductions that

happen on the road on rural roads while you're driving while you're driving. What? Sometimes it's a

lot worse. So, well, you are, remember, most abductees, if not all, abductees are implanted.

So you'll have this impression that you need to, you'll see a craft. Usually this is how it,

how it plays out. So this is a common scenario. I've personally interviewed people who've had

this happen to them where you'll be driving along a rural road. Obviously, it's most almost always

on a rural road at nighttime. And you'll see a, a, a, a light in the distance. Hmm. And you'll think,

oh, that's interesting. I wonder what that is. And it's making erratic movements. And then suddenly

the light is either over top of your, or it's right behind you. And then the next thing, the next

thing you know, you're pulling over. And a lot of abductees only remember to that point. And they,

they remember, they remember pulling over with this light behind them. And then the next thing

they remember is they're driving again. But they have missing time. Or they're somewhere, or they're

much further along on the road. Or they're in the wrong, they're on the wrong side of the road.

And they have a swerve over to avoid traffic. Wow. Very common. And sometimes the, the craft will

actually, let's say it's a saucer, will actually lift the entire vehicle with you inside of it

into the craft. Other times they'll have you pull over. And in almost every case, you pull over

because you're, you're, you're implanted. But there's also telepathic control and that telepathic

control is from a distance. Um, an abductees are always in contact with the phenomenon. Always

through telepathy through telepathy and probably through the implant. I've tried that. Uh, I think

it was might have been Steven Greer that came up with the one where you start talking to the stars.

And uh, you start seeing stuff. I forget what type of meditation that is. But

so you've heard of psionics, right? Yeah. This, this, the

these are individual psionic assets they call them. These are individuals who some of them are in

the legacy program. And they are able to make contact with something with, with the alien presence

let's say. Yeah. And UFO show up. Let's all right. People like that. Um, but others who are like

are actually in the programs in the legacy program. And Jacob Barber came out with Ross Coltard. I

think it was last year and talked about the psionic assets and, and he, he had psionic assets on his team.

And, uh, so they can draw in UFOs and people wonder how they can do this. Well, I think the,

the way that they're doing this is because the psionic assets are abductees. And abductees are

intrinsically connected to the phenomenon. They're interlaced with the phenomenon. So they're never

not being surveilled. And, and it's, you know, and I hate to put in these terms, but

let's say you're a cattleman and you've got cattle out in the field. And you know when one of

your cows is in distress or whatever. And if you, if you, if you sense or the cow is making some

kind of, uh, auditory distress signal, you're going to go investigate and see what's going on out

there. Maybe there's wolves out there. If you live or I live in Montana, you'd be bearer wolves.

And so you go out and you investigate, you go out if it's nighttime, you go out with your

flashlight and you take a look, you jump on your horse or your quad or whatever. And, and

because that's your cattle, right? So in the same way, abductees are interlaced with the

phenomenon. So that if they're broadcasting something, then that elicits a response from the

phenomenon. Because they are, and again, I hate to use it. These terms, but they're kind of like

the cattle, yeah, the, the, the, the assets. And so I think what happens a lot of times is that

response is automated and, and it, and what shows up are orbs. So it's kind of funny because

the best example of this, the best, uh, analog for this in my mind is I, I had a friend who had a

ranch in, um, in Australia. He had a big cattle ranch. His cattle were at, were way out there.

And he was too lazy to get him go check on him all the time. So whenever something seemed like

they're getting agitated, he would send his drone. He'd be sitting there, you know, in his,

in his tidy whiteies in his house, uh, watching TV or something, and he sees that the cows are getting

agitated. So rather than going out there himself, he deploys his drone, looking on his screen.

So in, in, in the same sense, I think that if there's, if there's some sort of, uh,

communication happening between an abductee and, and, and, and, and the abductors,

then what, what happens is an automated response and, and, and drone, so to speak, are deployed

in the orbs. Interesting. And that's why I think so many people can, I shouldn't say so many people,

that some people seem to have this, uh, unearthly ability to summon orbs. Yeah. And, uh, and I've

actually discussed this with, with some people in the psionics programs and that makes, that makes a

lot of sense to me. It's not everyone can call them out and they just appear. No. So I think what

you have is a lot of these individuals are abductees. And they probably don't realize it. Some of them

maybe do, but a lot of them probably don't so fast. It's the most important, you know, I talk about

this a lot because it's the most important facet of the phenomenon. It's, it's more important than

the legacy program than the crash retrieval program. It's more important than the reverse

engineering of the technology or the recovery of the bodies. The abduction phenomenon is the

heart of this thing. It's at least, at least as it pertains to gray aliens. It's at the heart of

this thing. Like this is the, this is the op. Yeah. So let's assume that people like, you know,

the late Bud Hopkins and Carla Turner and David Jacobs are correct. These abduction researchers.

And the grays are integrating into human society with advanced human alien hybrids that are

for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from us, except they retain the powerful, the potent

telepathic capabilities of the grays. Let's assume that that's true. Well, that's a problem. Yeah.

Because we don't know what their intentions are. We can't find, we can't stop them. And we have no

idea what the end game is. So, so that to me is the most important facet. I interface with with

people in government about this topic. And, and this is the, the, again, in my mind, the most

important facet of this phenomenon and the thing that I'm really trying to raise awareness of

at that level. Because at the congressional level, let's say, there's acknowledgement of the

legacy program. There, there's a lot of whistleblowers who are coming behind the scenes. And

right now, there's no whistleblower protection yet. So you have a lot of whistleblowers who come

privately. Yeah. And they have all kinds of stories. whistleblowers come to me, but, but they go to

these, these congressmen and women, they tell them stories, but they don't want to go public.

Why? They don't want to lose their pension. They don't want to endanger their family. They don't

want to lose their own lives. And so they'll tell these things in private. They'll, they'll tell

the, the senators and congressmen privately and representatives privately about their experiences,

but they don't want to go on the record. And that's understandable. And so that's why at the

congressional level, they've been trying to pass the legislation, the whistleblower protection

act and so forth, to try and protect these people so that they can come forward, tell their

stories and not, not at the expense of their lives, not at, not at, without having to worry about

losing their pension and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and they're families. So that's that

reality is happening right now. So a lot of these congressional people who may be

were kind of interested in the phenomenon a couple of years ago. Many of them are not realizing

that this is this is a reality, especially the legacy program. But they, but they're, they haven't

yet begun to contemplate the abduction phenomenon. Yeah. That, that to me, as I said, that's

That's the final boss that's it. Do you think there's a open line of communication with whether it's the

Grae's or any sort of alien species and any government agencies right now? Yeah, I think we've been in contact with

One or more factions for a long time since the since the 60s at least I would say wow

Yeah, but but when I say we

As you know, it's

You know, this is a this whole thing is clandestine and it's compartmentalized

Highly compartmentalized so different facets of the of the phenomenon rather

Let's put it in these terms

There aren't there's a suite of government agencies involved and then beneath them. There's a suite of private

Enterprise that are involved the the aerospace contractors

So you have of course like the CIA and you have the Department of Energy and you have the United States Air Force

Those are three big ones that have been involved in this phenomenon for a long time

But then you also have the aerospace companies

You know the the Lockheed Martins and the Raytheons and the Northrop rummend in all of these different

aerospace contractors

And they don't interface. They don't share information. They hoard it. Mm-hmm. And it's um

It's

They each have a component of the of the of the puzzle a piece of the puzzle and sometimes

The let's say there's a retrieval retrieval of a saucer and there's bodies

Well different aspects of that technology will be sent to different places and nobody will have the whole picture

Nobody will know where it came from

there's no

Getting together and trying to collectively figure out how this thing works or what to do with it

It's there there's so much secrecy. There's so much compartmentalization that this thing is just spread out all over the place

And so it's difficult to and it's done purposely is to be able to assemble the pieces

and um this apparatus has been

intentionally devised

To circumvent

Oversight the oversight of the American government specifically of Congress and then and then the knowledge of the American people

So it's this entire thing has been

It's been

Concocted to keep everybody in the dark. Yeah, so that nobody has

The entire picture and that worked for a while, but now in the digital era. It's getting harder. It's getting harder

Yeah, and it when it and there was a lot more government oversight

until the

Until the FOIA act. I can't I don't know if that's what it's called but when the FOIA stuff went into

um

When that stuff was passed where now civilians can make inquiries into different aspects different agencies to find to find out what the government's doing

And so they had to move the programs out of government and house them primarily in the in the corporations the private corporations the aerospace companies

So what that does is it you know the way I think of this whole thing. It's like it's a gigantic

Octopus

And each of the each of the arms of the octopus is playing a shell game

So they each have a component of the of the phenomenon, but it's like a shell game

They if you try and figure out what it is what what they know they move it around that's a puzzle

They tell you there's nothing here. We don't know. We don't know about that project

We don't know what you're talking about even when congressman make inquiries or you don't have the need to know or it's

They don't have the clearance

And it and it's every single agency involved in every single corporate entity involved plays the shell game

And so that's what

That's what we're dealing with so when people say

You know why hasn't there been disclosure or for example with this film that just came out the uh

The age of disclosure. Yeah

People get upset because they say oh we're sick of talking heads. Where's the evidence? Well good luck trying to get that evidence

You're dealing with the biggest secret any government has

and and and there's there's

The most aggressive the most aggressive

secrecy apparatus in the world is controlling this thing

So you're not just going to get receipts you're not just going to walk into some facility

And with a camera and take a picture of an of an alien body laid out on the table that's not going to happen

I mean this thing has been so carefully crafted

To ensure that that doesn't happen. So this is you know, you have to play the long game if you're interested in disclosure

It is incredible how they're able to pull it off on a worldwide scale though, right?

Yeah, and I mean you you think about it though

Go back to the 60s the 50s and let's go back all the way to the 40s in the wake of world war two

Really the only government that

Had the capacity to control this phenomenon was the United States after world war two

And so we had a we had an agreement in place with our allies and friendly nations

That if there was a UFO crash. Let's say Peru for example, then the the United States Air Force would deploy

to go and and

recover

The residue of that craft

To that that was the operational arm of this thing was the United States Air Force and they would deploy all over the world

Or or they would have like a subcontractor deploy for them

And so the United States has been controlling a lot of this for a long time wow and

But we don't control the Chinese program. We don't control the Russian program. They have their own crash retrieval pro

They have their own legacy program. Yeah, place

And that's it's a it's an arms race to

to who who can

reverse engineer

And derive functional technology the fastest from from these crash retrievals. Yeah, I saw you on another show say you believe that some of it has been reverse engineered

Absolutely. Yeah, I think we've

We have succeeded. We have we've had a limited we've had limited success and in reverse engineering various components of these craft and

I think part of our problem has been that that the

the energy source

For some of these craft is exotic matter. Mm-hmm matter that's not found on earth

So

The all we have of it is is what we've been able to

accumulate through through crash retrieval

So if you can't continue to manufacture these necessary components

Then you're very limited in what you can do with the technology right now you can derive certain things like

Colonel Corso says that claims and

Has claimed publicly that that you know, we've we've derived

Various technologies from this night vision one of them for example fiber optics

stuff like that

That and that we've since we integrated it first in the military application

And then it leaks into the public sector and and you get the widespread use of this technology

So maybe maybe we're benefiting right now from some of that technology could be the form of fiber optics

Some people theorize AI to and artificial perhaps artificial intelligence. Yeah, so they got to recreate that

Exotic matter then they got to figure out how to recreate that in some cases. I think that's true

Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a lot of theories out there about how the technology works how the craft are powered

how they move how they maneuver and

I personally believe the testimony boblas are think boblas are told the truth

And I think that element 115 is real and that at least and there could be a variety of things that are being done

I mean we use a variety of things right we use

Internal combustion, but we also have we run vehicles on electricity, but I mean we were using steam

For a long time to power our trains for example and and boats so

They could be using a variety of technologies not just one

But I think some of the technology is

dependent on exotic matter

Specifically element 115 and do you think these ships that these UFOs are

are I guess traveling do you think they could go to other planets pretty easily

very easily

Yeah, certainly the planets in our solar system

And that's why some people say let's listen in an extra terrestrial phenomenon

It's an interdimensional phenomenon. Okay, first of all nobody can really define what interdimensional means

But um if these craft to maneuver

With the if they can maneuver an outer space with the same ease that they maneuver on planet earth in the atmosphere then

What's stopping them from having bases on Mars

Nothing is the answer right and it would be very easy for them to come here from Mars

That's in the neighborhood of our solar system

And the and the craft clearly are trans medium they they they can operate

In the atmosphere under water or in outer space

With the same utility with the same ease

They move because they're not really moving through the medium of the atmosphere

They're not moving through the medium of the water

They're they're in sort of a gravitational bubble and they're moving space time around the craft wow

And so that's why there's for example you can have a craft that either comes out of the water at a high rated speed or goes into the water and there's no splash

Because the craft isn't actually interacting with that medium totally craft. It's it's moving space time around it

It's bending space time using a very powerful gravitational force that's insane

So they're bending the laws of physics

Yeah, they're they're making use of

very

High energy to manipulate space time um

Through gravity gravity bends light

Gravity bends the fabric of space time

So the you know then the question is well, what's the power source some people

postulate that it's zero-point energy

I've even heard a very interesting theory by Eric Davis the astrophysicist who says that he thinks it could be the quantum entanglement

That

This is really fascinating actually

That you know

We know because of quantum entanglement that particles can be in communication interact regardless of distance

Right

So you could have a power source and

Let's just for the sake of

An illustration here. Let's say that there's

There's a Dyson sphere around a star somewhere in the solar in in in another solar system right a Dyson sphere around a star a star

So it's collecting all of the energy of that star harvesting the energy of a star

That's a massive

Power source, right? Yeah, and if you could remotely interact with that power source

Imagine having a a building full of batteries

But you don't have to have any wires to connect to it. You can like we're in Las Vegas, but let's say there's a

A factory full of batteries in New York

And we can access that energy without cables or regardless of distance. Wow. That's a very very that's a very very interesting

Uh

Hypothesis variant that would be a using quantum quantum entanglement to to access a power source somewhere else in the universe

They could be doing that. I mean, it's theoretically possible. I guess I'm not a physicist, but yeah

Well, that's like scalar energy, right? Kind of. I'm not sure. I think that would be more like a zero-point energy

Scalar stuff. Yeah, cuz I know they've done some studies on scalar and like distance

Like someone in Florida will use it on someone in New York. Yeah, I don't know

I'm not a physicist, but these these are all very very intriguing

Ideas and I suppose if you've got that level of technology the kind of technology on display in UFOs

I suppose anything's possible, but again, I'm I'm I would say I'm I'm quite persuaded that some of this has to do with

Exotic matter. So element 115 this of course comes from Bob Lazarus testimony

By the way, Bob Lazarus talking about element 115 back in the early 90s

Wow, and right here in Las Vegas with George nap. Yeah

The journalist here local journalist George nap and

and

Lazarus talking about element 115 and and this was obviously on the periodic table

These are elements that we don't have on our periodic table and there's a group of elements

I think it's from 112 to 116 if I recall that Lazarus says are stable and they're they're very heavy elements

They're they're not found on earth, but but that class of elements exists

And he said that the the craft he was working on the so-called sports model at the S4 facility

That that it was using an antimatter reactor and and and element 115

And that element 115 was being used to

They were they were bombarding and I think with protons and when those protons will be plugged in it's a it's basically an atom

It's a what do you call it?

What do you call it the thing it's earned the the atom smashers. I know you talk about local term for it

The particle accelerator. Yeah, yeah, basically using a particle accelerator

And when the particle hits the element 115 it turns an element 116 and it throws off an antimatter particle

And so it's an antimatter reactor. So you have a matter the most explosive power that we know of is matter antimatter

So when matter an antimatter collide it creates it turns into energy pure energy

so

It was it's the it's the antimatter reactor in this case

By way of element 115 that's creating that enormous amount of energy that's necessary to bend the fabric of space time

and that that energy is being is being used to

It's being emitted through gravity emitters

That create like a torrid

donut shape

of space time distortion around the craft and by the way

When fully energized that's what makes these craft disappear

Because gravity bends light

So if you're bending light around the craft. It's not that the craft disappeared per se

It's that it's just become

Invisible from your perspective from your vantage wow

And

Whether the craft's just in a gravitational bubble because it's using vacuum energy or something like that zero point energy

Or whether whether it's generating gravity waves

To envelop the craft in a in a in a gravity bubble same kind of the same concept

You wouldn't see the craft when it's fully energized

Because it's bending light

You would only see the atmosphere around yeah, you'd see what's behind it, but you wouldn't see the craft itself

I think that's why they disappear

Because they're not really going sometimes they just take off extremely high rates of speed right but but but sometimes they're just fully energized and you can't see many more hmm

So it's it's all very fascinating very how they figured out where element 115 comes from that no, but I I'm glad you brought that up because I didn't finish my thought

So it was always talking about element 115 back in the early 90s and then

It some years ago we were able to synthesize element 115. I believe it's called Moscavum today on the periodic table and

We confirm that element 115

Can be synthesized but not a stable isotope?

So we can't do anything with it because our version is very the one that we can synthesize

It's not stable. In other words

It it it decays too quickly. You can't make use of it. Okay, so a stable version of element 115 is there does not exist on earth

which

Which informs us if that's true?

I believe it is if that's true

Then you're looking at an extraterrestrial phenomenon

Because somebody's harvesting element 115

Somewhere else in the universe

Does not hear right maybe it's on Mars maybe it's on Venus

Maybe it's on Mercury maybe it's on one of the other planets in our solar system, but it's not here

So if they came here with element 115 if that's part of the mechanism

Behind their propulsion system

Then we we can know for certain that they came from

Somewhere that is not planted earth

Because we don't have that here. Yeah, and that can be said for some of the other exotic materials

That have been reported over the years by people like Colonel Corso and others that there are exotic components. There are exotic

There's exotic matter

Incorporated into some of this technology

That is not found on earth

Well, that implies an extraterrestrial phenomenon. Yeah, so

um

I believe Lazar's story is true. I really do. I know a lot of people still doubt Lazar

But um, I would agree with people like George nap who whose who's who knew Lazar

intimately and

he

He verified much of Lazar's story if not all of Lazar's story even the even the debunking that people have done out there

um

Nap has proven that that

Lazar was employed where he said he was

employed and at

Los Alamos National Laboratory and and and and the people who work there knew him

and recognized him and so forth and

Anyway, childhood was our real one math. He was ahead of us time. Yeah. Yeah. I did want to ask you about Mars

You brought it up. I've seen you talk about Mars and other shows. Elon's obsessed with going there

Seems like we might get there in our lifetime. What do you think his his goal with Mars is

Well, I think his goals are what he stated

genuinely

That he he thinks it you know, we should be an interplanetary species and

We we need to colonize Mars for many reasons

but also

What people don't realize is that

It's been an objective of the mystery schools for a long long time an ancient desire an ancient objective to go to Mars

because

According to the mystery schools, that's where the gods

Descended from and was Mars and that the secrets of the gods the knowledge of the gods is on the planet Mars

and

I personally believe that there's evidence of law civilization there

You know the cydonia region the face on Mars and all that even though they you know they published some low resolution images

And then they came out later and published some higher resolution images that just you know made it look like

uh

basically

Made all of those

Enomalous features look quite mundane. Mm-hmm, but I I I believe that the cydonia region of Mars was inhabited and that there are

Massive megalithic structures there while pyramids and other kinds of buildings and um

In fact

Do you remember recently rather recently they published a I believe in NASA maybe even or somebody found this photo on

As I can't remember but there was a

A picture taken of Mars where there was a perfectly square outline. I remember that. Yeah, it's a footprint of a building

I mean, it's it's hard to imagine that that something that

symmetrical

Could exist in nature that that wasn't artificially

constructed. Yeah, I definitely think there was a civilization on Mars. Yeah, and again

In the mystery schools they they it's not a question of if

They know there was a civilization on Mars. That's that's part of the secret that they keep in the mystery schools and

I think that to some extent of course everybody's aware of the

The occult routes of NASA and of the

the jack Parsons and in a lot of what happened on the early days of the rocket program and

There's a lot of occultism in in the rocket program and space exploration and even the times of the year and seasons

When they're going to land in certain areas the coordinates where they're going to land. There's all these bizarre occult connections

So the whole enterprise is

occultic

the whole space enterprise right now

and again

it's

directly connected to

The goals of the mystery schools you think those schools are still around that I already think that was ancient

Yeah, I think they are in real various forms

probably not

The ones that people think of like the Freemasons and the Illuminati and all of that I think that

That there are much more important

significant mystery school

Organizations that nobody knows about nobody knows the name. Mm-hmm. The name isn't published on the internet

and they

You know, there's the Elysian mystery school back in

Back in the ancient Greek world and and each each of these cultures have these mystery schools

And they go back

Certainly to the ancient Egyptians wow that far. Yeah, and I think a lot of the the knowledge that's kept in the mystery schools is

In many cases, it's functional knowledge. It's not just spiritualism

It's actually functional knowledge. It's secrets that are kept and that are

that are

Transmitted only through the adepts in the initiates in in the mystery schools and they have an agenda and

And again, it's not just spiritualism

There's functional information there and when I say functional information for example this idea that there was a civilization on Mars

So it becomes functional when you start to build the rocket ships to go there, but

And I think that ultimately there's going to be what I described is the revelation of Mars

That there was a civilization there. I think we'll know in our lifetime. I think so

I mean, we can you know, we'll send probes there for sure and have

Mm-hmm. I don't trust those though from NASA. Yeah, I think we'll see a man mission to Mars. That'd be great

Maybe in the next 15 years. Hope so especially with artificial intelligence plugging that into the equation

Yeah, I think that I think Elon Musk will have accomplished that I hope so really do Egypt's fascinating

When they discovered all the stuff that's going on underneath the surface. Yeah, shock you at all

Well, I don't know that it's been verified

Um, I thought they did some sort of scan. Yeah, it mapped out everything. They did it from space from satellite

And I don't remember. I think it was sonar. I could be wrong. I think it was a sonar technology was satellite-based

And there appears to be something under the pyramids

But until somebody digs or or goes in there with some serious

Gromponatrating radar trying to verify any of this

Um, you can get all kind. I work with Gromponatrating radar. We have a

On our team. We have a state-of-the-art

aerial

GPR unit and we actually have two two

Different antennas. We've you we've deployed it in Peru and found some really cool stuff

but we can see down 300 feet while and

That's it a little bit of lower resolution. That's the fine larger structures like the kind of stuff that they say are under the pyramids

And then we have a more high-resolution

shallow antenna that that can see under the right conditions can see a quarter 15 feet under the ground

um, so

If the stuff that they says is there under the under the guise plateau then you should be able to go in there with with

State-of-the-art GPR equipment and verify it

Because one thing you have to understand is when you're using these kind of technologies. There's all kinds of

Artifacts and artifacting that you have to be aware of there's there's if there's water

Some of these technologies reflect. Okay, you know our technology reflects for example in water

And even without water you'll get reflections echoes in GPR readings

And our GPR readings by the way aren't like just the squiggly lines the layers of different squiggly lines

You can plug these into software now and you get a 3D rendering

Of what's uh

You get a 3D rendering of what's under the ground

And so you got to be careful so you know, you have to be able to differentiate between reflections

And you have to verify you have to you have to go in there and take another kind of technology

And then try and verify the readings that you got with the sonar got it and that kind of that's the kind of work that needs to be done now

To verify the findings of the initial scan, but obviously

The guise plateaus locked down. They're not going to let you

You know, that's completely controlled by the archaeological community over there and but in

in Egypt and

They're not going to I doubt they're going to let anybody dig or or or try and verify that discovery anytime soon

Yeah, I don't see a problem

Maybe maybe there's a project underway underway that I'm not aware of

It's like people trying

I think

The next logical step would be as I said you to gpr that the the the the guise plateaus

With state of the art technology

Do a gpr scan try and verify some of what was discovered in the initial scan and then the next step would be to dig

Um, because then you can really local localize and pinpoint the artifact

And then you dig but getting permission to dig in those kind of places is not impossible especially if they know

The archaeological community, which is which is

Very conventional, right? They don't entertain any kind of alternate theories in fact

They don't want anything to do with alternate theories. Yep. If they know that that's the

That's the intention is to verify some alternate theory like massive structures under the pyramids

They're going to block it. They're going to aggressively block you. I've run into this in Peru. I've done a lot of work in Peru

And the archaeological community in Peru

Is and I can imagine it's the same in Egypt

Is very hostile. Mm-hmm. There's it. There's an accepted narrative

and

Everybody who works in the archaeological community is invested in that narrative their jobs depend on that narrative

If they want to continue to hold their job at the university

Or do you get any funding from the government for further projects

Then they have to hold the line. Mm-hmm. Right. They have to they have to perpetuate the conventional narrative. Right

And and as soon as they start

Varying from that narrative they get ostracized. So there's a vested interest to

To go along to get along to get the money to to get the accolades to maintain your prestige within the community

Especially in places like Peru and Egypt makes sense because both Peru and Egypt you're not only dealing with an entrenched archaeological community

You're dealing with a national identity right the government

Well, you're dealing with the national identity like in Peru

Peru the Peruvians like to think of themselves as the

As a legacy of the Inca

Have see all in some senses the offspring of the Inca, right? Which isn't really true because the the Inca race was basically exterminated

but but the Inca Empire

That's what Peru's famous for that was the the seat of the of the capital of the Inca Empire of Cusco

And so so much of the Peruvian identity is

Is interlaced with the Inca right that it's the it's it's the fabric of their identities is the Inca in the Inca Empire

It gives them national pride that's why there's so many brands in Peru called Inca this Inca that Inca cola whatever

There's all kinds of Inca brands because that's what the people identify with

Same thing in Egypt in Egypt

They're they're very proud as they should be and as in Peru of these cultural identities that their ancestors built the pyramids

Their ancestors built the Sphinx and so forth

And if you come in with an alternate theory like well, maybe there was like in Peru

Maybe the Inca didn't build the Megaliths

Maybe they just discovered them and and rebuilt them or repaired them and there's an older culture here in the background

An anti-deluvian culture perhaps and for the historic culture

That was building and that inhabited this land first. Well now you're not just presenting an alternative theory

Now you are doing violence to the national identity

The people who live there in their eyes. It's life altering for them. You're you you are

You are seen is a is a

In some sense a foreign usurper right who's trying to steal their inheritance and supplant them with some other theory and

That's very true in Peru and it's very true in Egypt. Yeah, so I wasn't investigated. I must be talking about it

It's very difficult because especially if you if you're a guy like me and an American

You know going to these and there's you know, you have to respect the culture that you're working in and and I'm fascinated by the Inca Empire

I think the Inca were absolutely amazing. Yeah, one of the greatest cultures the world's ever seen one of the greatest civilizations

And they accomplished remarkable things

They were like the Romans of South America in many ways and the Inca were capable of

credible

Archaeological feats especially as it pertained to

aqueducts and roads just like the Romans aqueducts and roads and architecture

They excelled I mean they they excelled above all the other pre-Columbian cultures

Maybe except for the Maya Central America and the same thing with the Maya they excelled in the same things

aqueducts roads and

So I have a lot of respect for this calm fascinated by them. I'm not looking to supplant the Inca

But if the Inca themselves believed that they hadn't heard it they had inherited a legacy that was older than them

Which is what they believe

Then you're not you're not you're no longer doing violence to that to the legacy of the Inca

You're just you're agreeing with what they themselves believed with their

With their mythologies and their ideas about the ancient world

Well, that was true with not only with the Inca, but with the ancient Egyptians

the ancient Egyptians believed in Zeptepi the first time when the gods dwelt on earth

They co-enhabited with they co-enhabited the earth with human beings

They copulated with human women they pro-generated a race of hybrid demigods

And that that was the best time that's when knowledge and civilization was imparted to mankind

So if the Egyptians are looking back all of them that all the Mesopotamian cultures the Egyptians

All the cultures and all the primary cultures in central and South America like the Maya of the Inca

When they looked into the past they saw civilizations that were greater than them

They didn't do what we do they didn't look back into the past and see cavemen than clubs beating each other over the heads

They didn't see ape men when they looked into the past they saw god men

And so they they believed

That the civilizations that that predated them were greater than them

That that were surpassing

In the arts of civilization and in technological development. They all believe this all of these ancient cultures

And so if if you get a guy like me or Graham Hancock or somebody

Out there who holds that same opinion suddenly were racist

When all we're really doing is confirming

The legends and the ideas of the ancients themselves. Yeah, that the that the civilizations that preceded them were greater than them

And that they had received their knowledge from those ancient peoples those anti-deluvian people

And in their minds these people inhabited the world before the cataclysm hmm or cataclysm's

And and that that magnificent world of the gods and and the golden age was was brought to ruin suddenly in a great cataclysm

You know, there's this is the Atlantis paradigm

That's how the ancients viewed viewed posterity

That's how they viewed their anti-sentence

And so I just agree with the universe of testimony of of our anti-sentence

Yeah, you're actually trying to help them, you know

Yeah, so that's a perspective that I think is logical

But again, it's it is unwelcomed

When you're dealing with the conventional

Narrative the the the archaeological status quo

Because

There's no money for these people

There's no prestige. There's no opportunity, but

There's no employment

For archaeologists to color outside of the lines. So they have a vested interest. Mm. And it's very it's very political

Yeah, you have to navigate these this mess

And it gets pretty hostile. Oh, it does. I've tried to moderate debates with archaeologists and people like Graham

It's it's very nasty. Well, I'll give you an example. I have a my colleague Anson P. Romley. He's a Spanish explorer researcher

He's done a lot of work in Peru. Mm. He did excavations at

Saksai woman. Mm. He did ex he's did an unprecedented excavation

In the Kodikonsha, which was the capital of the Inka Empire. It was their primary temple

It's whether it's where they kept their mummified kings

That they would bring out an anti-Rimean different festivals and as if they were still alive

and

and

Anson

made some

Very interesting discoveries

for one thing he proved and nobody really knows us, but Anson Anson found evidence

Irrefutable evidence that the walls of Saksai woman the megalithic walls of Saksai woman and Kusko were not built by the Inka

Because he dug down to the foundational levels of those walls

And they only discovered

Pre Inka artifacts wow

No Inka artifacts pre-Inka artifacts. That's it. That's what's at the the foundation

foundational levels

That's very strong evidence. It's a very strong indication at the very least that the Inka found those walls

That they were built either by a but they were built by a pre-Inka civilization

Maybe a prehistoric civilization for all we know

And that evidence has just been ignored. Yeah, I've never heard of that. Yeah, that I believe he those excavations took place in the 90s

He has he's not a lot back at the so so Anson now is

some year

last year last

Fall

It's a long backstory with me and Anson piramla now we've made some very interesting discoveries in Peru

We discovered a lost city together in the Andes mountains, but

Anson and our team generally we were able to use our technology the ground penetrating radar system that I described earlier

To detect the shinkana what's called the shinkana grande in

Kusko and the shinkana grande is a man-made tunnel

That it's a it's a

It's a tunnel that runs for one mile

beneath the city of kusko from

the kori kansha

To the galleries the tunnels the the underground system beneath the megalithic walls of soxhouama

This is a legendary tunnel right if you talk to archaeologists and historians they'll say though

That's just a legend and there's this whole story that goes with it

But

We detected the tunnel with our technology. It's there Anson saw it previously. He actually sought with his own eyes

What that's the whole story that take a long time to unfold that time back that story, but he saw it

And then later on we went back with our technology and

We verified we walked the perimeter of

Kori kansha that temple which is today

The Convent of Santo Domingo the it's the the Cathedral and Convent of Santo Domingo

But the old ruins of the Kori kansha are still there

We walked the perimeter and exactly where Anson saw the tunnel. It's there. We found it. We rendered it 3D

And it's just like it's it's just like it was described. It's

It has the same the same

Formation is the walls

In the Kori kansha it's it's made out of cut stone probably and a site just like the Kori kansha walls and

And it's again it runs for a mile

and we detected it with two units two GPR units

Our team and then and then in in conjunction with Anson and then Anson

Anson independently verified it again and he and he published we never published our findings

Intentionally or

There's some reasons why but but I made a documentary film series

Called Chasing Legends with Timothy Elbrino. That's that I never published anywhere

I put it my members community, but I never published it anywhere

For various reasons of some of the activity that we were doing Peru and but Anson

Finally published the findings in regard to the tunnel in Barcelona

Last year in the in the fall and he did a press conference in Barcelona and he published the GPR findings

Well right after that

There was an archaeologist in Kusko named Jorge Caledo who

Who started a Kori kansha project and the whole idea was to try and find this tunnel. Mm-hmm

And there's there's reason to believe that

He stole the data basically

From Anson and and the reason I'm bringing this up is because

We're the ones who found the tunnel specifically Anson

Anson had a project of his own that was he had a

Convenio with which is an agreement with the archaeological community in Kusko

He needed the signature of the regional director and the regional director what that position was in flux

So he couldn't get the signature

But this Caledo

individual this archaeologist in Kusko

He preempted Anson with his own project

And and got permission for excavations and then he turned around

And launched a smear campaign against Anson Pirombla. Whoa. I saw I watched it

It was broadcast in Spanish and on Peruvian television

And it was all about how Anson Pirombla is a is a is a basically a conquistador a

Foreign-use surfer who wants to steal the the cultural heritage of Peruvian

Steal the treasures and he's a treasure hunter this Spaniard

He's like basically depicted him as a conquistador

And so so they they basically stole his project and then turned around and launched a smear campaign

Crazy a defamation campaign and and we're working behind the scenes to try and get him thrown in prison should he ever

Step foot in Peru. That's awful again

And that that gives you an idea of the

Virament right and and some of these guys over in Kusko these archaeologists are of a

Communist persuasion. Yeah, very aggressive and

That I mean that illustrates what you're up against and so

Anson's not a usurper. He's not a treasure hunter trying to steal the the treasures of Peru. That's not that's not what he's doing

Um, he makes he's made significant contributions

To the archaeological community in Peru on various and so of refrancly

various projects and yet they wanted to pick us as as white

colonizers and usurpers and all of this and and it's absolutely ridiculous there

um, so that again, that's

illustrative of the

hostility that you encounter

They're trying to throw them in jail if I mean if he if he steps foot in Peru because what happened was

There was a they did the smear campaign public

Again, I watched it. It was um

full of

of

disinformation and lies

and then

They referred this situation to the intelligence community in Peru

And there was I believe it was a general or an admiral who made a public statement that it looks like this character

Anson P. Rombla was using uh was using technology

prohibited technology in Peru and and it needs to be referred to the intelligence community and they need to think about arresting this fellow basically was the

So that's a direct threat like you know, and in Peru, they've got something called preventative prison

Well, you go to prison without being convicted of anything just just to prevent you from fleeing

You know, it has its utility if you've got you know five of the last presidents of Peru were prison

Um, several of them are in prison now

so

They have this system where they suspect you that that you committed a crime and they and they

They imprison you so that you can't take off so you can't flee wow, but it's it's uh very dangerous

Because if if there's a allegation that you committed a crime whether you committed it or not you get put in prison

Yeah, and then the trial takes years before before you go to trial and you're just sitting there in prison

It's a it's a you know, I don't think I want to go there anymore

You got to be very careful and and the and the ministry of culture is aggressive in Peru

aggressive

Um, I've had run ins with with

People representing the ministry of culture and

You know for some of it is understandable. They're trying to shut down the uh

The theft of artifacts and the trafficking of artifacts, but

I mean, I probably should make this statement publicly

I think that the elements of the ministry of culture are the traffickers

Honestly, but in Peru at least. Yeah, I could see it up

Man, thanks for sharing all that being open being vulnerable. Uh, that's really cool

I know you got the members only in community. We'll link that in the video

Uh, what's next for you man? Where people find you and uh keep up. I'm going to Peru. You go back

Yeah, we just talked all about Peru. Yeah, and I'm going back

I lived there for 10 years. Okay, so Peru is home away from home for me

And there's some there's some very interesting projects underway like there's a there's a we believe that

We found evidence of a lost city not the one we already discovered in the Andes

Another one. Oh, and I think it's going to be more significant in the in the Andean Amazon

and um

I went there last year and and was on an expedition actually I went with Mike Cernovich nice and

We found indications while we were out there that there's there's

There's a city in this corridor and I linked up with this Peruvian professor

He has a team of other

colleagues from the universities and

They have been looking for the foundations of the city of Moyabamba and that's in the high jungle

It's in the northern Andean what's called the Andean Amazon the high jungle in Peru and uh

You have um

some very important

ancient

cities there you have

Moyabamba, which one of the oldest cities in Peru

And then you have a Chachapoyas very significant ancient city

And that was the capital the Chachapoyas people

And then way south of there not way south, but there's like this corridor of wilderness just just

Untracked

Jungle in mountains and on the other side of that is this lost city called

um

I almost said pi tt. It's not pi tt. That's the lost city of gold that people were looking for as a legendary lost city of gold

This is called grampa hoten

Grampa hoten and if you look at pictures of grampa hoten

I mean it's like it looks like it's right out of a Indiana Jones move like the set of an Indiana Jones movie

It's a really really intriguing lost city by the way. You can't go there without express permission from the government

Well for the military of culture you can't go to grampa hoten walk there. No

You have to get permission

and

So there's this corridor between these important cities between this lost city of grampa hoten between

moeyabamba chachapoyas

And based on all of the evidence that we've seen and what these professors have discovered there should be a lost city right in the middle

So you got to dig and it would be well, it would be significant significant lost city and

um

So the first thing you got to do is go try and find a lidar

And if you can

Locate it with lidar then you mount an expedition and you go in with with a team

including archaeologists and anthropologists and whatever

You go into the jungle and then you you explore the site and that's a project that's sort of

Uh pending data in in Peru right now for me

um

You know, there's other things going on as well the sheen kind of thing that I just talked about that's ongoing because

I

Think there's a very strong possibility that that

Anselman his team including me are going to get our project approved in kusko and then

And then also of course the

Tridactyl mummies the nascar that talks mummies or faith-billars. They'll they'll be on the next episode. Yeah, so that's uh

That's all and I don't know why you know, I I don't know why Peru is so significant for all this like the epicenter of weirdness

Yeah, a lot of uh ancient history there

It's just I always say proves the last best place

You know like it's I think I think I think this was a I don't know if this was falsely attributed to remington

But but it said that remington remington one said that africa was the last best place to hunt big game

And and I think peruse the last best place to make like really significant discoveries

Yeah, well if anyone can guarantee I won't end up in preventative jail. Exactly. We'll go there. That's the thing right

You want to try and make discoveries without ending up in preventative prison. Yeah, that's that's the that's the challenge

Well, dude, this was great. We'll link all your stuff below. Thanks for coming all man. Yeah, of course

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