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Do you remember way back when you were a kid, like was it your idea to say potter in

the way that you specific way you said it, or...

I don't know how that's become an iconic thing.

I certainly had no idea.

I have three older brothers, so they would always call me something like maggot, or what

was I also called?

Runt.

Runt of the pack.

I'm the youngest and the shortest considerably.

So I don't remember ever thinking about it for a second, but potter.

It just got more, more venomous.

Prepare your ears, humans.

Happy, sad, confused, begins.

Hey guys, it's Josh, welcome to another edition of Happy, sad, confused, thanks as always

for checking me out, checking the podcast out on Spotify on YouTube.

However you're doing it, I appreciate you guys.

And today on the show, it's Tom Felton.

He needs no introduction, Draco Malfoy is on the pod, and I couldn't be more thrilled

as you'll see in this, or hear in this conversation, Tom and I go way back, thousand years.

We've been talking to each other basically through the entire run of potter, and to see

him now killing it on Broadway, that's right, he is reprising the role of Draco Malfoy

in Harry Potter and the cursed child.

I've got a chance to see this on stage, she's amazing, the production is epic.

Not only that, he's promoting a new film, it is called They Will Kill You, a romcom, as

you can tell from the title.

No, not really.

This is a full on like horror action films, Aussie beats, a whole big ensemble, and it

is premiering as I tape this in just a few days at the South by Southwest Film Festival.

I got a chance to see a sneak peek of it.

It's going to be a fun one.

So check it out when it's out in theaters very, very soon.

As for this conversation, well, this was a real honor and kind of emotional and fun.

All the things that once for me, because we do have a long history, Tom Felton and I,

and I didn't even realize when he sat down with me today that he really hasn't done this

kind of thing before.

He's done like, I've even done him on the podcast in a shorter form before, but he's never

done like a really extended long form conversation like this as he told me when he sat down.

So I guess consider this Tom Felton's official podcast debut and happy, sick, and fused.

And again, I couldn't be more honored.

As you'll see from this, he's a gem.

He just has such a good head on his shoulders.

He's so appreciative of the life he has thanks to Harry Potter and appreciative of where

he's at now kind of coming full circle with his performance on Broadway.

So for Harry Potter fans out there for Tom Felton fans, you're going to really dig this one.

This is a super fun, great chat with a really special guy, Tom Felton.

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Okay, here we go without any further ado, Draco Malfoy himself and me, Tom Felton, enjoy.

Tom Felton, Josh Harlow, don't pretend to be professional.

We've not met before.

Oh, what a pleasure.

I can't get to you.

Good to see you.

What's the mic made?

I thought you were the professional.

I'm not.

You should know by now.

No, but I just, I just thought about it as I was washing my hands.

I was just thinking, you were definitely one of the first people to ever interview me

on a red carpet or a film debut, and I was trying to cast my mind back to when that was.

It was at 1823, we had like, I had the cloak over me, it was that's how you did cameras then.

And his sense of humor has not in through.

It was with Ben Lines.

I believe.

Was it Yahoo?

He was Yahoo-ing.

I was always MTV-ing.

We were horrible rivals, not really.

We were friends, but yeah, we always ran into you.

But yes, I always remember, well, you're kindness and you're passion for films and all

things pop culture.

And I think that's the reason I'm still begrudging me saying that you own my friend.

There's no begrudging a mindset, look at him starting so sweet today, you're throwing

me off.

It's an English sign of affection.

I promise you.

I love it.

Yeah.

We'll get the pleasantries out of the way.

Yeah.

No way, Dory.

Thank you for doing this too, man.

Cheers, man.

Honestly, yeah, as a podcast debut, I couldn't think of a better, a better person.

I can't believe this Tom just was telling me, this is kind of your podcast debut, you haven't

really done this kind of a thing ever.

Never.

Because I'm lots of radio bits and sound bites for various different films and various

different sort of publications and whatnot.

But never, well, I never sat down with, well, I hope you can send me a friend as well.

I do.

Yeah, I've never sat down.

I mean, we did share dog videos the other day.

That's the ultimate sign of friendship, I think, yes, which is why you'll be gentle

with me.

Yes.

I see again, part of the master plan.

But also, you know, I'm really proud of you.

Congratulations, man.

I remember when happy side confused and all this was all just a new idea and then to see

what it's become.

That's why I belittle you to other people that I met that I've been on your podcast.

And they consider you a serious gentleman.

You're like, really that guy?

Well, I experienced that the other day because I'm going to go right back at you with the

compliments because I got a chance to see you in Curst Child the other night on Broadway,

his Broadway debut.

And it was so moving to see.

It's like such a special thing to see someone that you've known for a long time and just

like literally center stage in a spectacle that big, so celebrated, getting his laurels.

I mean, just talk to me a little bit.

Has this been emotional for you just to like, take this on and feel the love night after

night in a Broadway theater?

Huge, yeah, hugely.

Far from all that I could reveal, I have to think of miscellaneous objects to prevent myself

from breaking down.

Yeah, kind of.

But if you told us when we were doing the MTV Red Carpet or whatever it was, whatever situation

that we've made each other through the years that we would be here, not just doing this

podcast right now that I would be on Broadway with a wand in my hand, with people coming

to see it.

I think we all assumed by the end of the eighth film that the Wizarding fandom flame

would dwindle, not because they weren't good enough, but that's how generally the trend

is with things.

And for told us then that I would be doing this right now, I would never have believed

you and the response has just been phenomenal.

For those that haven't seen it, Needles to say, you were playing this character, a little

known character named Draco Malfoy.

And you walk on stage, and because of that history, there's so much history for you, for

the audience, there's rapture supplies immediately.

And I mean, does it take, does it take them, you have to take that in, but you have to like

really focus up.

Is it hard to kind of like stay in the moment and not break character for me, not really?

I'm very, very grateful and I'm aware of the noise, but I have worked with the best

and they've raised me so shout-outs to my previous Hogwarts colleagues of Mr. Alan

Rickman and Helen McCraury and everyone that's all I'm trying to do there is just lock

eyes with Harry, John Skelly, our actor, and hopefully they stop making so much noise as

quickly as possible.

So we can't get out of here.

We have acting to do.

Which is not really the thing to do, but I'm just, I'm very, very grateful for it and

I'm just aware of how much that, how much it means to people, and it means so much to

me.

I think one of my fears was reprising my role.

For those of you who don't know, I should give a little, can I give a back story?

Well, I was cast in the Harry Potter films when I was...

You were in the movies too.

This is how good is humour getting to ladies and gentlemen.

Listen, you were as bad as I am.

I am.

So find yourself as amusing as I find myself.

This is going to be terrible.

How long have we got?

Two men just laughing at their own crappy jokes.

Yeah, it's kind of.

But yeah, I was cast in the Harry Potter films when I was 11 years old as Draco Malfoy,

which you interviewed me when I was probably 12 or 13 when the films came out.

We were cast for one film and they then decided on a second, then decided on a third.

There was never this projection that it would go on for as long as it did, which it did.

So I spent 11 years having my hair dyed every nine days, bleached blonde, playing Draco

Malfoy.

I was quite happy when the hair dyeing stopped and I never in a million years thought and

I've been lucky enough to go on and do lots of other things.

Since then, never in a million years for you have said you'd be back playing the same

character exactly the age that he was when the player set.

So the Broadway show is essentially Draco 19 years on from when we left him in the films,

which is exactly my age, which is 38, by the way, which is the age that the serendipity

here is.

Oh, it's been over that age.

Jason was 38 when he adopted me.

Jason Isaacs, my father on screen, and I'm 38 adopting Aiden Close, who plays Scorpius

Malfoy, who is the most phenomenal person, son, actor, all the above.

And to highlight more serendipity, if I can, please.

Yesterday was Daniel Radcliffe's opening show and Broadway, which has come to a huge applause,

which I would luckily got to see in his previews, and he's annoyingly fantastic.

And he deserves every accolade that he gets.

I share a dressing room, do you remember when you came to see with John Skelly, our fabulous

Harry Potter, it was his birthday yesterday, which my friend and I ended up decorating

his, you know, our dressing room with balloons and all sorts of absurd Potter regalia.

And I just thought, what are the chances of that?

It makes you believe in fate and something mystical, if you don't already, doesn't it?

Definitely.

And even more so now I'm here, but you're the one with the questions, so I'll let you

talk.

No, no.

You can talk.

It's what a podcast is for.

Talking.

Okay.

How long have you done it for?

Twelve years.

Twelve years.

Seven hundred plus episodes.

And it started on, it was, it was in my office at MTV, so, right, just putting a microphone

up in my office and bringing folks in for long conversations, because, you know, I've

done the junkets and the red carpets for so long that, oh, let's try to have a something

of a substantive conversation.

And that's why I've been so surprised, all the guests you've had over the years, I'm

like, really, with him to say, is there a two-chashore room?

Again, it's a pretty sign of affection.

I've just been celebrating the, the, the, the, the clout that this sort of thing has.

I was not going to go, what if you keep doing this?

You're ruining this.

Do you remember one of the first things that we did that, like, went viral?

I remember it because it was important in my career.

Do you remember something called American talk?

Do you remember we ever, we did this?

Oh.

Yeah.

Yes, yes, yes.

First of all, I remember you lost Gniali on about the happy side, I was like, this is

a bad idea.

That's never going to go anywhere.

And here we are.

You were rare mistakes.

But the American essence I do, and you were the reason why I did it, because I knew

I was going to make a buffoon of myself, but what did you ask me to say?

I asked you and your castmates to do, like, to say Americanism, I gave you, like, silly

phrases, like, I'd like an order of chicken fingers and mozzarella sticks, whatever, as

Olive Garden.

Is that something?

You do remember.

I remember.

Was it not something about Justin Bieber?

No.

You know it well.

You also, I think, I think you had to recite the lyrics of party in the USA, Miley Cyrus

a song.

I remember feeling like, why, why am I doing this?

Yeah.

But you did it.

You got me.

It worked out.

You're on Broadway.

You have a very disarming charm about you.

That's the last nice thing I'm going to say about you during this podcast.

Thank goodness.

We'll be right back with more happy, sad, confused.

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Okay, well, we're going to get a bounce around a lot.

Okay, but before I forget, because I do want to mention also, well, I haven't seen your

entire film because they're keeping it under wraps.

They will kill you.

They will kill you.

It is coming.

And you are an integral part of this film.

Yes.

You're going to take a little break from Broadway to go to Boston, you know?

I'm beyond excited.

First time to South by Southwest and a lot of great memories and work, our work went into

making.

They will kill you.

March 27th.

I believe it's in cinemas everywhere.

And yes, the theatre are releasing me just for one day, which is enough.

I'll miss the theatre otherwise, but I'm really excited to celebrate with the filmmakers

and the rest of the cast as he beats who actually is coming to the show tonight.

Oh, me too.

She's a huge part of fan, although she is an asset.

Did she hide it?

Did they?

Hi, the first time I Googled her name, the video came up about her saying that Potter

was one of the, sorry, Potter was one of their favourite things.

Her husband is a slither and she's a half a puff.

I literally met her husband way two nights ago, so this is serendipity.

This is also bizarre.

Okay.

Well, what's next, mate?

What's going on?

I mean, his bandline's going to pop out of that.

He's going to repel that.

No, I'm very excited that that's cross-pollinated in its own way, but I love that the film is

such a unique piece of pop culture.

Have you seen it?

I've seen it.

They only show me the first, about 17 minutes, but it made an impact.

Do you make an impact in those first 17 minutes?

I'll say that.

How far did you get?

Something might have happened.

Okay.

You're...

Yeah.

Things happened.

Zasi kicked some ass.

Potter, my anatomy fell off.

Maybe.

It's a leprosy kind of.

Yeah.

I can't say too much, but I will say when I did read that that happened to my character

early on in the film, I thought what's the, nothing else to read from here.

Also, that's good to know.

I wasn't sure if that might be, look at us just dancing around.

I know.

I know.

Basically, the plot thickens.

So, I'm very excited to see it with a live audience more than anything.

What has been, so obviously this is a full circle moment coming to Broadway, playing

this character in particular, but navigating the, I don't even know how many years has

it been since Potter now?

10, 15 years?

Yeah.

25, at least, is the first one-ish.

I can guarantee most fans who are at stage door were born when the first, when we first met,

which is absurd.

It's not absurd.

It's amazing to see that the, not only is the fandom not going down, it's going up.

Yeah.

It's being passed down from generation to generation, and I'm just really, really proud of that.

Or I should tell you what I gave, you know, it was Radcliffe's opening night last night for his play.

Every brilliant thing.

Thank you.

Yep.

Which is really, really fun to watch.

It's customary to send flowers.

Right.

I believe.

Yes, I believe so.

I knew Daniel would not enjoy flowers.

And as Brits, we like to take the piss, can I say that?

Yeah, let's take the Mickey, the Yankee chain, as much as possible.

And as many of them as you want, please.

So, it was John Skelly.

Our Harry Potter's idea to send Daniel a wand-box of his own wand.

He thought it was a good idea as a gift.

I knew that Daniel was not going to, he'll know that I'm taking the piss here.

So, I just, what was it?

Dear dude, break legs tonight if all else fails, whip this out.

Love Draco.

I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm hoping that he had a rise smile.

I'm sure he did.

I'm sure he did.

So, he is though, I mean, you know, he is a part of the reason you're here on Broadway.

That's fair to say, yes.

Absolutely.

Yes, I've seen Daniel in every, what most, if not all of his productions and rupids.

And I've been a theatre fan my whole life.

My mum, my mum took me to the theatre from a very early age, really.

And I've always appreciated the medium more than like any other.

Yeah.

So, it's a bit like live music or do I always have your first gig?

And this was something that always, you don't have pantomine over here, do you?

But it's essentially like child's theatre where they sort of make it as accessible as you

can do.

It's not Shakespeare, put it that way.

And that sort of opened the door of floodgate for me to even want to entertain the idea of being

an actor and that which led to me doing a couple of films before Potter.

Right.

Then, you know, the 12 years that took me into my adulthood.

And so to get a chance to come back to it is really, is very satisfying.

But it did take you a minute to kind of take the plunge, right?

You did it a few years back in England.

Yes.

A much smaller scale production.

Yeah.

That's not saying much.

A much smaller scale than Harry Potter and the Chris Child.

Yes.

And I've heard you say that was kind of terrifying those first few weeks of just like taking the plunge, yes.

It still is.

It still is because it means so much to me.

Yeah.

I know it sounds cheesy, but it means so much to me.

Not just my character, what they think of it, but how much it means to everyone else.

And that with live issues, such as like we have 138 people, I think, that are working in that theatre at one point.

I can't tell you how many trap doors, how many wires, how many illusions that are done in ways that even I'm still not privy to how half of them are done.

No, you're doing stunts live on stage every night.

It is crazy.

I mean, it's, yeah, speaking of stunts, I mean, whoever was there on that night, you know, there's a, there's a moment where I'm supposed to stand on the table in a very drako-esque

poise with a wand, and I got a bit cocky at one night, and I just fell straight off the table.

I'll show you the video later, but it's, and when you fall off the table, you, you fall off the table,

and you have to get back up and stand back on it, and know that you looked like a complete prat.

Did you stay in character?

Were you like, yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely.

The striko doesn't fall off tables, doesn't slip off chairs.

He shouldn't do.

But he also shouldn't drop his wand, which he has done a few times as well.

So, yeah, it's so cool to be able to pick up something.

The difference is, as the drako that I knew was a child, and little arrogant shit, really.

Can I say that, too?

Okay.

So, how was described in the first script?

You're playing an arrogant shit.

Pretty much.

An arrogant, slimy little git.

Was that how he was described?

Well, so I described him, and that's right, the revelation, and the last films, or the last couple where you see,

ah, he's the most bullied out of the...

Right.

And that's the reason why, you know, bully's bully, et cetera.

But now, he's 38 years old.

He's got a kid, and his son is rather eccentric.

Yes.

Rather different from the Malfoy lineage.

Yes, breaking from the pack of bits.

Yeah, a bit of bit.

Has this experience, like, made you reevaluate drako a little bit?

Definitely.

Definitely.

Yeah, there's a lot of subtexts, or a lot of different things.

But to go from, when I met Jason, I was 11 years old.

It was a diet, nocturnally.

And I was just so impressed with his, you know, his skill, and the way he treated people, offset, onset,

that I really hope that I can emulate, even half of what he brought to me that I can do to Aidan

and the rest of the wonderful, wonderful cast.

I would imagine some of the relationships, especially, like, with the adults,

kind of deepens, as you get older, as you yourself become an adult.

Like, a relationship with Jason, when you're 15, is one thing.

But when you're in your 30s, and you are an adult, leading, you know, a real adult life,

has it changed, like, in terms of, like, that relationship, or any of the relationships,

I still call him dad.

And I still think I'm Aidan's age.

He's 24, I think.

But I can see the kind of, you kind of revert back when you're around him, like,

I just feel still one of the kids, but also realizing now I'm a parental sort of,

sort of figure in the company, at least.

But I was back to Jason.

One of the last chats I had with him before coming here was about doing theatre,

because I hadn't done too much before.

I'd done two great productions, two 222, and a child's mind, a child's story.

Sorry, I forget the name now.

Both of them with Matthew Dunstan, both of them were the encouragement that I needed

to be able to say that you can do theatre.

Both of those productions, it was mostly text dialogue, and not a lot of wizardry.

So this is a different kind of, on stage.

Well, you saw it yourself.

I mean, how...

I can't imagine what goes into that show, like, that I'm seeing it, and that I'm not seeing.

And I was saying to you after I saw it, I was like, I had anxiety.

Everybody being...

I don't know. I don't know how six injuries don't happen at night.

It feels like it's a very...

Obviously, you guys know what you're doing, but it's...

Well, other than me falling off tables.

Yeah, that's for the end of you.

That's your problem, I thought.

I got a bit cocky, didn't I, before expelium has happened.

Then again, backstage, my sense is you're the wild card.

You're the one to watch out for.

You're the one that has...

The one to worry about.

Yes. Well, that's the reason I had a chaperone for the first few weeks,

because I think people generalize the term acting so generally,

because what...

Like, when I did the Flash as a TV show that I did for a season in Vancouver,

which I loved with Grant Gustin, you know, you're doing nine pages a day of dialogue,

and you have to learn them, forget them, move on, right?

Learn them, forget them, move on.

And it's quite procedural, and it's quite...

You're repeating yourself in a very different way.

Yes.

This is sort of repeating yourself literally.

Yes.

And hoping that one day it all meshes together perfectly,

which is unachievable, but I do feel we do a bloody good job at trying.

Yeah, yeah.

It's as impressive a production as there is.

It really is, yeah.

You wouldn't believe it.

We're talking fire, we're talking water.

There's slides and please and I don't even...

It's mental.

It's mental, they allow it.

So come and see it for sure.

Do you remember way back when you were a kid?

Like, was it your idea to say potter in the way that you specific way you said it?

Or...

I don't know how that's become an iconic thing.

I certainly had no idea.

I have three older brothers.

So they would always call me something like maggot.

Or what was I also called?

Run, run to the pack.

Run is over the youngest and the shortest considerably.

So I don't remember ever thinking about it for a second, but potter.

It just got more and more venomous.

Yeah.

And now they all do it.

And even my son Aiden does it better than I do on stage myself.

And all you have to do is say that in the company of a potter fan and goose bumps

and like a pot is something happens.

I'm not leaving it to you.

I hate you.

You have to train me.

You just said potter.

Potter potter potter potter potter.

Bravo.

Hey.

Good teacher.

I'm your new understudy.

But yeah, no.

I never knew any of these things were going to be iconic lines.

We even get to say one of the famous lines from the films in the play, which was not in the

in the in the play before.

But I said it once spontaneously in rehearsals and John Tiffany or Fabulous Director.

Who's been doing it out for 10 years.

I can see his eyes twinkle and go, yes, put that back in.

And it's needed to say it's quite a hit every night.

Is there a scene from the films that would have been fun to do on stage that you can think

back to that like, oh, experiencing that with a live audience would be a trip?

There's already so much that happens on stage.

It's hard to think of an idea of cramming in more.

Right.

You know, there was the original with the two part version, which now they sort of I think

they're consolidating into the version that we have today.

I think every actor would want another six hours digging into their character back to log.

But honestly, there's so much that happens on stage every night.

I've done nothing 120-ish shows.

And every night I'm still looking at various different illusions going, how did they do that?

Yeah.

One of the things people don't realise is that when you're on set saying expelliarmus, nothing happens.

It just, I'm just holding a piece of wood.

And instead here with the sound and the visuals and the production design and everything,

like stuff is happening right in front of your face, which is still to me magical for lack of a better part.

Tom, what's going on in China?

Oh my days.

You know what I mean?

It just gets more brilliant leaves.

Like in a life filled with bizarre moments, surreal moments.

Where does Tom Felton's last Draco Malfoy being worshipped like posters in malls rank in your history?

I still think this is some sort of prank.

I don't even have that kind of power.

I would if I could.

No, but when the first few people told me that this was the case.

I mean, I don't want to get incorrect, but it's a Chinese symbol for the New Year.

Right.

And it happens so.

I'm going to mispronounce it now.

But Mi Ha Fu is the same syllabatic way of saying Malfoy.

Right.

And because it's a fire horse and Malfoy is quite, he cares about money.

I don't know.

Honestly, we have to get professional in it.

Oh no, I did.

But I think it's fabulous.

And obviously, like, I can't believe that it's still a trip to me that people know who Malfoy is in foreign countries.

So the fact that China knows who Drago Malfoy is, let alone uses them as the symbol for good fortune for the rest of the year, is...

It's remarkable.

I refuse to be indifferent.

So it's so cool.

But also, how?

You need to book a trip to China.

You get off that plane.

They're going to hoist you.

Well, yes.

Once the theater releases Mi Ha will be on that way.

How plugged in are you?

Your relationship with your own social media?

Do friends have to let you know?

Or did you see that organically on your own?

Yes, organically.

I feel like I use social media the same as you, to some degree.

Sometimes it's professionally promoting.

They will kill you being out and enjoying that and really getting a chance to celebrate.

The thing with film is...

We did that a year ago, or more than that.

And you don't know when it's going to come out.

You don't know the result.

Like, Fakum Hall.

I'm not sure if you saw it yet.

I didn't see it.

You want to do that one again?

You did see it and you loved it.

Do you remember like, Fakum Hall?

Oh my god, you were...

I meant to say you were amazing in that.

The number one show on HBO Max right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You told me about that.

Yeah.

Jesus Christ.

Have you just listened to all my episodes?

But that's so lovely.

Fair enough.

Any of my episodes?

She now, the friendship comes out.

Honesty.

That's the important thing.

I need a why do you?

No, no.

A little bit.

No, no one is there.

But the fact that Fakum Hall we did a while ago,

and it's been widely received as a hit,

beautifully massaging two of my favourite genres,

being Naked Gun.

I was lucky to grow up enough with Naked Gun.

Was that a sense of humour largely?

The reason why we're taking the piss out of each other

is because we've seen Naked Gun.

Match that with the sort of Downton Abbey,

the Crown-esque exterior and visuals.

You know, we all knew we were taking a bit of a risk with this one,

and it's been so lovely to hear that that's been responded too well.

Without getting too ahead of myself,

I think they will kill you,

we'll be similarly received well,

because it's not something that we've ever seen before.

It's a bit naughty, but a bit funny, a bit gory.

It's going to be a fun audience experience.

I've done South Buy,

and they've probably told you already.

South Buy audiences are amazing.

You have known South Buy.

So what's your experience?

They're enthusiastic, they like genre.

I'm sure what I've seen in this movie, it'll go well.

Are you going?

No, I'm going to be here talking to boring people like you.

Now it all comes out.

No, no, but you're going to have a blast,

and you should get some tacos while you're there too.

Okay.

Well, I'll let you text me recommendations.

I'm sure we don't talk about tacos.

Let's use the rest of our time just talking tacos.

Well, we could do, I know.

How's your dog, by the way?

Is it handling the temperature well?

Yeah, Lucy has come out and enjoyed the...

Yeah.

Because it's flipped.

I've never been out.

Well, today it's back all again, but...

Yes, it's a little confusing.

You've got two with you, here.

Yes.

My two pups, Willow and Forrest are here.

Yes, that was the first thing in my contract to agree to do this.

They're my settlers because they know that they don't give a monkey's what I do for a living,

and they remind me that we're only here, and we're only now.

And dogs are so present.

They can't not think about anything else other than...

I know.

Yeah.

We're obsessed.

They make us better people, don't they?

Well, certainly.

I think it's Bill Murray's quote.

I don't trust a person that doesn't like my dog, but I trust the dog one.

They don't like a person.

Yeah.

Trueism.

Something like that, yeah.

Do you have a tattoo of your weight, Grace?

I do.

That was my first one, Willow.

Yeah.

Well, you immortalized the two new ones.

Yeah, I'm not really a tattoo.

Well, not yet.

They're both alive and happy, aren't they?

In fact, I'm not taking them for a walk right now because I'm stuck here talking shite

with you.

I say that was love.

But they would love to have been there.

We should have brought the dogs.

Next time.

Yes.

Your second podcast.

We'll do a dog thing for sure.

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So where are you at in terms of, I mean, in a year from now or something,

I'm going to be talking to another Draco mouth, a young boy that is playing this role.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's going to be, that's going to be surreal and fascinating.

I would imagine for you to see it.

You're fine to the HBO series.

Yeah.

What do you know?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah.

What do you know?

I know nothing.

I mean, they're making it and it's happening.

That's all I know.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm, again, I'm thrilled that the Wizarding World is thriving.

I mean, it's amazing.

None of us would have ever expected people to still be as interested as they were when we

finished the films.

Now, it's sort of like triple.

I know.

There's theme parks.

Yeah.

Can you imagine that?

I first went to Universal Studios as a kid, as my dream holiday.

Imagine telling that kid in 10 years, you'll come back and open up a theme park where

you're in it.

That was one of my favorite trips ever.

I went to when you guys opened the Wizarding World and that was so bizarre.

Yeah.

It was amazing.

So imagine even then saying, don't worry, you'll be on Broadway in 10 years doing it again.

I'm like, what?

So what's next?

I don't know.

Well, we had this conversation earlier.

I said, are we, are we going to the moon?

Is there some sort of, uh, nothing would surprise me?

Oh, and it named Draco Tom Felton.

Are you visiting Tom Felton any time soon?

Literally nothing would surprise me.

I mean, yes, the Chinese New Year, it always, um, beautifully bizarre and some of it

is staring deeper.

It's like, oh, my God, I can't believe that that happened and other parts are, of course,

like Daniel Radcliffe's play, who's less than 400 meters from mine.

I'm playing Draco.

He's opening what I think is one of the best shows of Broadway, other than ours.

Obviously.

I've seen both.

That's the second best.

Yeah.

We there last night.

No, but I saw it a couple of weeks ago.

It's amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And then then sharing the dressing room with Harry Potter and being his birthday, that was

alone enough reason for me to go.

Someone's up there.

Something's happening.

Do you guys get offers like in tandem?

Like you haven't worked with Daniel Emma Rupert, obviously, since the films.

But I would imagine you get all sorts of unusual, interesting offers like do people ever

say like Daniel Rupert, buddy, cop movie?

What do you think?

Like, do you get those kind of strange?

Sadly, because of the chain of command, they go through them before they get to me,

which means they've been turned down by all three of them before they get to me.

Oh no.

Yeah.

This took a turn.

Louis, we would love to, we're all good friends, and I'd like to think ironically, Draco

being somewhat the gel that keeps us all together, because we're all on four different corners

of the world at different times.

We all love each other.

We've all been through this experience, and I have unique relationships with all of

them from Matt Lewis, Neville, from the Phelps Twins playing golf with Rupert living next

door to him for a while in London, Daniel with Broadway, Emma with traveling and life,

it goes on and on and on.

So there's certainly no world where we wouldn't just think that everyone's pursuing their own

sort of, I mean, I think Rupert's a dad of two now, you know, one, I don't know.

Do you think Emma's done with acting?

I hope Emma acts again.

I mean, it's up to her whatever she'll make her happy, but like, it's been a minute.

I don't think there's anything she couldn't do.

There's no one that I admire more really considering being cast for such a now pivotal role

in history at the time, nine years old.

She was doing what I did when I turned up for the borrowers edition, being like, we're

just making a movie.

No one's making theme parks about the borrowers.

Is it Christmas classic in the UK?

Obviously.

Obviously.

Well, also not to mention the added dimension of being a young woman, a young girl going

through that is a whole nother level of like, yeah, needless to say, I can't relate

to that and I can't even experience it, but, you know, I just have huge admiration for

all of them and, you know, actually, one of the proudest things is, it gets even more

serendipitous.

So Warwick Davis, who plays Professor Flipwick as well as a grip book, he had his, was given

an MBE awarded an MBE yesterday where he was essentially, he's a knight of the round

table as far as I'm concerned, he's the only person to really, what he started in Star

Wars.

Right.

So, name of my dog, not that they look like each other at all.

Was Warwick named after Willow?

Well, no, no, no, he's more of a tree thing, but still, Willow's one of my favorite films

growing up.

Me too.

Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a cult classic and then you've got him obviously in

Potter in two different roles, the only actor to ever play that.

Now he's back in Potter 1020, so he's my inside scoop.

Is he, is he dropping some info?

Has he given you some intel?

I can't say too much.

In fact, I've said too much.

Have you, have you connected with the young, with the young man playing Drake of

yours?

Yeah, we've, we've, I've said, I've said word.

Okay.

Yes.

I think it's really important.

It's very different from when we were entering things that don't exist.

There's quite a lot of weight now on, yes.

So the last thing I'm going to do is offer anything other than say, here's my phone number.

Yes.

Here's my address to, to his parents as well as him and to anyone else there, like, you

know, I can't offer you advice.

This is your journey.

Have as much fun as possible.

Take as many pictures as you can, still as many props as you can to be worth a fortune.

But also, if you do need a word of encouragement or questions to ask, I'm there.

So I'm sort of happily taking a step back.

No, that's the healthy out of two.

Can you, I mean, can you imagine, like, it was hard enough for you guys, but like, you

didn't really have social media like it is now, like, that thankfully wasn't even as

omnipresence.

No, it was, it was inconceivable.

When you and I met, it didn't exist, did it?

There was literally physical film cameras, almost, or it took me a while the other day.

Someone said, but how were the films shot?

I was like, was it film?

Of course it was.

This is in an era where the guy holding the mic boom, Tommy, was about 70.

One eye open rolls a cigarette with one hand, smokes it while we're on a broomstick.

That's how Daniel and I grew up learning, could it, 25 years later, we're on Broadway

together.

That's mental.

Do you refuse to be indifferent?

Do you still self-identify a swithering, like, and that change, as you grow older, do you

think you'll turn into a hoffled puff at some point, or are you swithering for life?

Do you want me to leave this room right here?

Well, I didn't mean to insult you.

Was that the most insulting thing I said?

No, apparently people take it very seriously.

I've, I've called people that as a joke, called them swithering and they don't like it.

Well, I do sort of every night at stage door.

I asked the youngsters what house to rent and I can tell because they're head to toe

in the regalia of the colours that would, would make me assume.

And when they say raven claw, hoffled puff, I, I steal their, I steal their show bill,

their play bill and run away with it as a joke.

But that often falls on deaf ears because they're very proud of their chosen, chosen house.

When I have done the test several times, well, sorry, twice, because the first time I

did it, I sort of cheated it and tried to answer everything as slither iny as I possibly

could, which the sorting hat can't fall the sorting hat.

Put me in Graffindor, which, oh, it hurts.

How smart of you, yeah.

Send me into a spiral.

Yeah, that must have been the lowest point of your life.

Where Tom goes is crying in the bathroom, he's good.

What are you bringing?

What are you bringing this up?

No, but then the, I did my whole family, actually, I've thrilled a brother's, all three got

hoffled puff.

I know.

My mum is a Graffindor, my dad is raven claw, and so my dad's a Graffindor, dad's a slither

in, and I happily can report, officially, I am team slither in.

You know, I did an event with Gary Oldman, I think last year, and I asked him which house

he's, has he sorted himself, the words didn't even compute him, he didn't even understand

what I was saying.

I was like, did you read the scripts, do you know what Harry Potter was?

I'm not sure he does.

No, he was lovely.

No, no, I'm sure he was.

I mean, he's the, I'm not.

He's the sweetest man on the planet.

I don't want to speak.

Anyway, we, we, we decided he's hoffled puff.

We decided he had the attributes of hoffled puff.

I, yes, I, yes, I would never go with that.

I remember so Michael Gamble, you just reminded me of so Michael, bless his heart.

Yeah.

Oh, Dumbledore, who's now been played by John, John, John, John Nethkow, who's also on Broadway.

Yes, who I work with on Rise of the Planet, the eight.

I've seen that one.

That's not a bad one.

That's a good one.

That's a good one, circle.

Yeah.

What would I do?

Are we in a simulation?

Are we in a simulation?

We're in Matrix, right?

We are.

We are.

But no, um, um, so Michael would always do the same sort of dithering act where, you

know, takes half a, takes half a minute to get the whole set quiet.

Right.

Sounds to be blah, blah, blah, quiet on set, close the doors, lock off, blah, blah, blah,

bell, red light.

Everyone ready?

Set, set, set, set, set.

And just before action, so Michael Gamble would whisper in your ear like, who am I playing

again?

Why, why, why, you're furious, you're trying to remember your lines and where to stand

and what to do.

Where, where, where, where, where, where am I?

What are we doing?

Oh my God.

Literally.

So convincingly that you think this man's lost the plot.

I love it.

That was when like the best actor on the planet is saying that that this arms you immediately,

right?

He's worse than that.

He'd do that.

You would look a bit confused.

And then, and he's right on it.

And you're like, straight into this epic performance.

And it's so admirable in both ways, and I like to, I like to think I've brought a bit

of that with me.

So much more from what the actors do, offset that I've worked with, growing up with the films

that I have on.

Obviously, they're all brilliant on because of the cream of the crop of the British, you

know, filming the acting world, but the how they, how do I say this politely, mess with

people.

Yeah.

And make sure that we're aware that we are playing here.

You are just a child with a pirate hat on and a fake sword.

You're not actually, hey, hey, but you know, is that, is that sort of like professional

stupidity that I try to bring into my, what's the joy goes out of it?

What's the point?

Precisely.

Let's not pretend that we're doing something actually, well, you are, but just don't think

about it that way.

I think it's the key.

It means a lot, as you know, it means a lot to so many people and can affect lives.

But once you, if you start to buy it to that in your own brain, it's actually like so,

like in many different ways, so Michael Gambon would just take the piss out of himself and

everyone immediately.

That was a very way of disarming everyone for us to act freely.

I told you the story already about the time that what we had a scene together and it's

Draco Killing Dumbledore, it's a big one.

It's a big one.

I didn't really think about anything like that too much until I got on set that day.

There's only a handful of lines.

It wasn't a particularly a long thing to have to, like, learn, but for some reason, because

everyone was there on set that day, I must have bumbled my way through the first three attempts

of saying my line, which I'm sure you'll put a clip up now.

Roll it.

Yeah.

And the first three are messed up and got them almost grammatically wrong, but also back

to front.

He asked for a tea break, which no one says notice or Michael Gambon or Dumbledore,

rather.

He had a big, long beard in the film, but he just had a cloak that went round it to protect

the beard for when he went out for a breath of fresh air.

And he invited me out for a breath of fresh air, and I said, okay, okay.

Which of course, I went out and just apologized profusively.

I said, I'm sorry, so he never liked to be called so Michael.

But Mickey G would, he'd stare at me as if he was pissed off for a second.

I said, I'm sorry.

I promise you I've rehearsed the lines.

I've done everything I possibly can to give me a couple more takes, an apologetic 17

year old.

I'm desperately trying to keep up with world's finest actors is not a great place to be.

The office you're cigarette, breath of fresh air, fucked her up the night.

But anyway, and then says, dear boy, do you have any idea how much they pay me per day

to be here?

If you keep effing it up at this rate tomorrow, I have a new Ferrari.

And I took it deadly seriously before I realized that this man is taking a piss.

And he cares as much as I do to just relax, man, have some fun.

And next take, that's the one they used.

I love it.

What a legend.

What a legend.

Where are you at on Curse Child, eventually becoming a movie today?

As you're like living in this day after day, night after night, do you have hope for that

at this point?

No, I think they're two separate beasts in a way.

I think they're two separate dragons, I think, especially with the new one.

I'm really happy about the series leaning into the fact that there's so much content.

There's so much stuff that we have to cut out of film one, film two, because you just

can't make a five hour film and expect kids to sit through it.

So there's so many characters and so many bits and pieces that hopefully will be indulged

in the new series.

As far as the Curse Child, I'm really proud of bringing people to the theatre, not just

on Broadway, but around the world, obviously Broadway is the biggest platform stage for

it.

But there's Harry Potter and the Curse Child, which by the way, I've seen all of these

in Amsterdam, there's one in Hamburg, there's one in Japan, there's one.

It's the China one, because you should sign up for that one.

See?

Seriously, that one down, that's a good idea, although my Mandarin is not that great,

how's your Cantonese?

Oh, you're backable.

You play Potter.

Oh, why not at this stage, it could be a man.

But yeah, it's such a gloomy, like, loved thing and celebrated in its own ways.

I'm so proud that theatre is still as prominent as reading physical books.

Yeah.

There's something about, when I went to go see Dan Show, the best thing about it, other

than him, was there was an older couple in front of me and they touched each other's

hands at certain points, which clearly meant something to them.

I don't know what that was, they never saw me.

I did the same to myself, and I think probably the people behind me could feel that, and

it's a shared experience and it's something that is dying commodity, and I think we under

value, as easy as it is to sit home and just, you know, there is something transcendent

about it.

Yeah.

And I feel like, well, the likes of you and your passion for it and your depth of knowledge

and your piss poor chat, it helps keep it alive, so I'm very passionate about that.

Before we end with our profoundly random questions, I'm going to ask you this, come down.

Which is the best of the Potter films?

What's your favourite?

Objectively speaking.

Subjectively speaking, I suppose.

The best Harry Potter film is, quite famously, I've never seen them more than one.

I'm apparently not famously, I didn't, you've never gone back.

No, I've not gone back, not because I'm not a fan.

I am a huge fan of the books more than anything, but I was forced to go see them at the

premieres.

Drums, two of my brothers fell asleep through each one at some point or other.

I think my dad did the fifth one, but it's more that I'm saving them.

I see them.

They're on TV, but there's a Harry Potter channel, I think, in England now.

They just play them on loop.

My friends send me videos and friends send me pictures.

It's quite embarrassing looking at yourself when you're a little, I know Daniel Radcliffe,

I don't imagine he's watching them a thousand times.

It's in his dressing room, it's on a loop.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

But I'm saving them for one day, maybe if I had little ones or, well, I'm a little older

or I still feel like I'm reinventing Draco as we speak, let alone time to look back

at them.

I suppose the best person to ask is someone that knows film well.

Wait.

What's your favourite Harry Potter film?

I've never seen them myself either, or my day.

Are they good?

Do they do well?

Tell me you're joking now.

What are you talking about?

I don't know.

Can you imagine?

My favourite, well, I'll say bluntly, the second film Chamber of Secrets was always

fun because there was a giant snake about a list in it, and Alan Rippman was in full

form, and we knew our characters a little bit better than the sixth one was the most rewarding

for me as an actor.

I certainly wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now without the training and the learning

of what proper acting sort of is or was.

Before that, it was a lot of standing in the corner and looking like a slimy kid.

Well, there's that evolution for every young actor, child actor.

It's like your cast, and you've said this before, you guys were cast because you kind

of resembled the characters, you fit the type, and you had a natural charisma, but it's

only years later that you actually learn technique and the craft.

100%.

Look at Radcliffe.

I'm sure he won't mind me saying this, he's a terrible actor.

He'll know I'm joking, he'll know I'm joking.

No, but he'll say that we'd be the first person to say it's working with Gary Oldman,

Helena Bonham Carter, Jason Isaacson, whatever.

Not just on the screen, what they do is how they pair and how they treat the art or whatever

in a playful way.

Yeah, we all have from different people, and certainly no one's been exposed to better

teachers than he has, and now look, he's in a one-man show and Broadway.

Okay, profoundly random questions.

Okay, we know the answers to this one, dogs or cats?

Dogs.

What do you collect, if anything?

Guitar instruments, doors?

Doors?

How does that work?

I feared saying this one.

I'd like doors.

I like the band.

Are you going to take the door to this room with you?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

They tell a story, don't they?

Like ancient doors and like Indonesian doors, that's how it started, and then Japanese

doors.

I won't lie, it's become a very impractical collective all because you have to put them

somewhere.

This is true.

And we have apartments, they're tough.

They're door full.

I am.

There's no way to put them.

Go on.

Oh, first of all, because you must be a collector.

You could probably guess this.

I mean, I have something of a movie poster collection.

Okay.

But also, it has a problem too.

None of them are up.

I have like three up.

It's in my closet.

I just have a story.

I have a huge apartment with empty walls waiting for my willow poster.

You're willing to put your entire collection up in my house, the part of it's poster gallery

in Tom Velten's apartment.

Wow.

It's so generous here.

I can't believe it.

We're going to open it to the public.

Are you okay with that?

I knew.

We'll discuss that one later.

What's your favorite video game of all time?

First thing that comes to hair, the Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, Golden Isle N64.

I haven't really, I have adopted the modern one, but I'm just, it's not as, well, not as

young as I was before.

The fingers aren't that fast or what they used to be.

It used to be X, A, B, Y.

That was it.

Too many bones.

What about you?

I'm kind of similar.

I mean, I was a Sega kid.

So I was kind of like, I was kind of a Sonic the Hedgehog.

Tommy was sort of baseball.

Oh my God.

I was a big baseball kid.

Okay.

Yeah.

Anyway.

You're okay.

Baseball.

So I mean, we play over here.

Dakota Johnson Memorial Collection.

I just saw the baseball, they're having an international thing right now, I think.

I saw UK versus USA.

You go down.

I know.

First innings.

That's what you call it.

We were one in a lot.

Don't say innings like that.

It betrays how ignorant.

I don't know.

I know you whipped our ass in the end, but just crack on it.

Dakota Johnson Memorial Collection.

She asked me this.

I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

The most redundant question you could have at one mouth of bees or a bee in my mind.

You have a single, single bee in the butt or a mouthful of bees.

Mouthful of bees.

I get on very well.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

What's the wallpaper on your phone?

My dog willow.

Standing in a puddle.

She has an obsession with water, because she grew up in Venice Beach with me in the first

three years.

So when she sees water, it's dangerous.

She will literally pretend and then go, boom, and she will bolt half her mile towards

water.

And unfortunately, in certain situations, she doesn't have that.

Right.

Does she have to like jump into a pool or if she sees one?

Well, I don't know.

So that's a picture of her standing in a puddle.

So it's a muddy puddle.

And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

But she'll just go to the puddle and just stand in it to literally dip her toe, paw.

She's a dog just seeing another thing.

Yeah.

I know.

Who's the last actor you were mistaken for?

Does it ever happen?

Oh, yeah.

There's three brilliant ones.

Aaron Paul had that one a few times, which I'm always proud of.

Yeah, bitch.

Him and I.

Him and I have good friends over that, because I think he's been mistaken.

I remember the name of the gentleman from Malcolm and the moon.

Oh, oh, well, are we talking older or younger, the kid, the kid?

No.

Frankie Moon is Brian Cranston.

No, no, no.

Brian Cranston.

How are you?

I'm wasting the chance.

Jane has Marick.

That's what I'm saying.

I said Frankie Moon is.

Okay.

Thank you.

Sorry.

I didn't know his name.

I was just testing.

Yes.

I have had that once or twice, which again is a compliment.

Great actor, et cetera.

My favorite.

I think it was in Oklahoma.

I was in a McDonald's at the end of a shoot or end of a day shooting in line with like 10

people.

And the young woman tapped me on the back and said, excuse me, are you?

You know, this is weird.

I just, is there any way that are you?

I was like, I nearly said, yes, I am the guy from the wizarding thing.

It's me.

Yeah, but yeah, basically that.

And instead, she interrupted me and said, uh, uh, Ryan Gosling, I don't mean to laugh,

but that way, but you laughed a little too loud.

Oh, I laughed.

And then said, are you serious?

She said, yes.

I think are you Ryan Gosling?

I was like, no, but can I get that in writing?

And then she, she was like, no, she didn't ask for anything more than that.

So we stood up and I made sure that I paid for her, uh, meal behind me.

And you married that woman, right?

That's where we're at.

No, I did not.

But it was, uh, it was a, uh, a nice reminder that we're not all as, um, familiar as each

other.

I'm literally doing Ryan, Ryan's doing the podcast next week.

Really?

And the question, he says Tom Felton, well, he'd be lucky.

Well, please pass that on.

I will.

Worse no to director has ever given you.

It's also one of the best, okay.

Die better.

I was killed in a film, I shall mention it, but my neck was snapped and, uh, and I did

my best, you know, if I was to snap your neck exactly, you go, you do, like, oh, I

got a thing, right?

And you don't practice that in John's school, not that I went to John's school, but you,

I never practiced that.

I don't even know if you did.

You couldn't see yourself in the mirror.

So I just gave it my best crack and he sort of said, cut, came up with like a, uh, die

better.

Um, did you, were you able to execute?

I mean, they didn't cut it from the movie, but you've never heard of the movie, sir.

But yeah, it's sometimes you got to be blunt and that was one of the good, all right.

And finally, in the spirit of happy, second fuse, an actor who always makes you happy,

immediately, they put you in a good mood if you see them in a film, uh, crikey, put

him on the spot, um, Tom Hanks, he's all here because Toy Story is still warm as my

arm.

He's a frequent mention in that category.

What's yours?

Um, will Ferrell?

Yeah.

It's about time.

So I'm pinging some questions back at you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good.

Anyway, someone cares.

I do.

A movie that makes you sad.

Hmm.

Um, I'm like, you mean the sad and the good way because I could be, you can take it a

hell, everyone.

No, like I was just, I said, I might have launched into it because we talked about

Gosling.

I was like, no book.

Yeah.

I was like, love them, yeah, um, but sad, um, hmm, let's just go with the notebook because

it's a gorgeous love story and I cry every time and a food that makes you confused.

You don't understand.

Why do people eat that?

Many.

Yeah, you're picking.

Many.

I have a bland diet, the palette of a nine-year-old, as my mom would say, but I was going to

say ramen, but actually I quite enjoy that simple.

I just had to have the child's version of every, just not a lot of spaces a little kind

of way.

Just a little mild.

I have a hypersensitive taste buds.

The rest of you are sensitive to me.

Possibly.

No, I just like, I'm a bit of a grazer.

Like last night we went for dinner and was with producers of various different plays and

they had.

We had caviar and something else that I can't even remember what the name was, duck lochairn

or something.

I had mac and cheese.

You were a child.

And bread.

Yeah.

Where's the kids menu?

Literally, it was off the kids menu.

It was a portion to smaller and you saved money.

That's a life hack there, guys.

That's great.

Well, you're spending all your money on doors.

You need to figure out how to bounce it all out.

We did it, Tom.

How are you feeling?

Well, I feel fine.

I hope you'll cut out anything embarrassing I've said because...

We'd had two minutes left.

There's no...

All right.

But I just feel well...

You feel exposed?

No.

Well, yes.

But I trust you'll make me look okay.

You made yourself look okay.

You were brilliant in trying as always.

Yeah.

But also, I didn't do this for anyone else over there myself to be like, I can't believe

that we're here doing this.

I love doing this.

I was truly, I'll say, earnestly again, it was so moving to see you on stage the other

night.

Like to see you on the journey and to see you just killing it on stage night after

the night.

I'm so proud of you.

I'm so happy for you.

Cheers.

And...

You met me when I was...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm age-considered.

I know.

What?

You're the same height and you look younger.

Do you know how weird it is for me?

Like, yeah, it's bizarre.

I'm going back in time.

I've been taking those magical Harry Potter potions.

And now people are actually listening to you.

It's because of you.

Enjoy yourself in Austin.

Thanks, mate.

I really appreciate what you're supporting, love, and I do listen and watch you a lot.

And I love to see the passion and love for what you do is not dwindle.

We shouldn't underestimate that.

We're both still getting a kick out of what we do, which is pretty cool.

Enjoy Austin.

Everybody check out.

They will kill you.

And Tom, thanks again.

But we'll kill you March 27th.

Thanks.

Thank you, Josh.

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