Tom Hiddleston and Genden Phuntsok

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1:02and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolites. Three of the most quiet self-effacing monks approach us, and one of the monks said, excuse me, Mr. Loki, Mr. Green Goblin, maybe we have a photograph. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused, begins. Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Seg Infuse. Coming at you from the Telluride Film Festival with the stars of Tenzing, Ending, Putzok, and of course one of our favorites, Tom Hiddleston. Hey guys, thanks for joining me on another edition of Happy Seg Infuse. If you're watching this, maybe you're wondering where the hell is Josh? This is a little bit nicer than his usual apartment or studio setting. Yes, I'm going to tell you where Colorado is. This is my, maybe my favorite weekend of the year at the Telluride Film Festival, or I got a chance to see some of the best

2:04films of the year world premiering here, and also talking to some great filmmakers and actors like my guests on the podcast today. Of course, Tom Hiddleston, there is no greater friend to Happy Seg Infuse than Tom, and also a new friend, Gendon Putzok, who stars his Tenzing Norge in this remarkable true story of course of Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norge, and their amazing Ascent Up Everest in 1953. This is a film that comes out in a few weeks. It comes out in October, so consider this an extended kind of sneak preview of this film as you'll sense from the conversation I have with Tom and Gendon. This was quite an undertaking, quite an adventure. They shot on location in Nepal and New Zealand, I believe, and it's a subject that Tom, who as you know from past conversations, I've had with him, I'm sure he's passionate about every project, but this one in particular feels like a very special adventure for him. So I'm thrilled to share this with you guys. This was shot right before their big world premiere here in Telluride. I got a chance to see the film a couple weeks ago back in

3:07New York, but a really appropriate, beautiful, idealic setting for this story about nature and man's bond with nature, I suppose. Before we get to that conversation, a couple quick reminders as always check out our patreon patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused for early access, discount codes, live events, we've had a live one coming up with Joe Mangano, October 13th, and many more to be announced very, very soon. I'll say quickly just, you know, hopefully get a sense of the surroundings from this introduction here, but Telluride Film Festival, I can't say enough about it. I've been coming for five years now, and I've seen so many great films here, Wild Horse Nine, The Debate, The Table You, if I can get my words out correctly today, off to see Alpha Gang in just a few minutes, starring Chris Pine, who I just ran into. He's petting a dog, of course. This is the nature of Telluride. You run into folks all the time. I've seen like, what do you say, do running around? I've seen Emma Stone twice. I've seen literally some of the best actors in

4:09film makers on the planet, and it is such a cool, relaxed vibe because everybody's is here pretty much for the right reasons. We all love film. We all love celebrating great film and no festival programs better than Telluride. So as long as I'm able to, I'm going to keep coming to this festival. And hopefully you guys can get a sense of how special it is from these conversations. Okay, I'm going to take you now to this conversation with Tom and Gendon. I'll know quickly that Gendon's first language is not English, so I mean what props to him. I have no second language skills. So he's great, but he used the interpreter here and there. So there might be like, you know, so a little bit of a miscommunication or just, you know, a language barrier at times, but he's fantastic, charming, smart and wonderful. So I'm thrilled that I got a chance to talk to him and obviously always thrilled to talk to Tom, who is an amazing advocate for this film. There's also some fun stuff. A little bit of a doomsday in there, a little bit of Mad Max talk because it was recently revealed to me in a previous conversation that Tom auditioned for Mad Max Furrier Roadway back when. So I had to get that story out of him too, obviously.

5:10All of that and more on this episode. I hope you guys enjoy it. Here you go. Gendon, a pleasure to meet you, sir. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Nice to meet you too. And Tom, our 300th adventure together has taken us to Telly Ride. For the first time. For the first time. We've had many adventures, but never tell you right for me. Never together. Congratulations. I'm very excited to talk to you on a number of levels. This film was about to premiere here in Telly Ride. I can't think of a better, more suitable place for its premiere. Tell me a little bit about, I don't know, just the appropriateness maybe of this festival. Does this feel like a good landing spot for Tenzing? I think so. Here we are in the mountains. Yeah. The American mountains. Many miles from the high mountains of the Himalayas. I've never, you've never been to Telly Ride before, right? Yeah, it is the first time. First time for me too. We've done many things together for the first time. Yeah. We had to. We had to. But even just driving up here.

6:15It actually reminded me of, I think most people land in Montrose and driving up, it's a night, what is it? An hour and a half to drive into Telly Ride. And it reminded me and I said out aloud, this makes me think of the trek that we did. From the look to base camp. Of course the topography and the geology is slightly different. But it was the pine forests and the rushing rivers and the big sky. And then the mountains getting larger and larger that the deeper you go. Yeah. I mean we could talk about that for a four, three hours that trek. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say I mean any film, hopefully film can feel like an adventure. But the nature of this film, the story you're telling, the way you shot it, it feels like a great adventure. I mean for you has any experience compared to this, Gendon, I mean being front and center, playing this iconic role. Can you encapsulate a little bit about what it feels like to be here about

7:18to premiere this film? For us also the movie when we film in this movie also similar like the environment like this. Yes. And this movie festival is also like that. Yes. That's we are. I have a feeling like we are very close to our movie and also our movie connected with it. To the right movie festival. Yeah. Because the location is a really nice and beautiful. And also very close to our movie's view. Absolutely. So yeah. This is this film. I mean I was privileged enough to see this a couple weeks back before I got here. You do you both are excellent in it. It's very impressive. Thank you. We were told by the director who previously had done a lot of documentary work that clearly she brought to this. Yeah. I reached out to you as soon as I saw it because I was so amazing. I was so I didn't know you were watching. I didn't know there's a screening and it was I was so touched in and I'm moved by what you said. Yeah. Well I guess my question for you is because I could tell from your response and our conversations that look

8:19you take on all films they all hope to aspire to something great. But this does feel like a very unique adventure in your life and career. Entirely. Entirely. It's been a long time coming as well. I first met Jennifer Pedham in the spring of 2023 and she sent me the script and this beautiful letter and I found this script incredibly moving. Just that the statement embedded inside the story which was to bring tensing from the background into the foreground and to reframe a familiar story about these two men who did an extraordinary thing an impossible thing an unimaginable thing. I think that had never been done before and on the fellowship and the friendship between them and in her letter she said to me I can't have told you this she said

9:21it was right at the end of the letter where she was outlining her her kind of mission for the film and then she said we've never met before but I have a sense that you're the kind of person who'd be up for an adventure like this and my first question is where is how to do how did you know yeah like because I am I'm down this sounds like an adventure but not yeah and I when we met that first time she said we're going to go to real mountains yeah we're going to do this in Nepal we're going to do this in the foot hills of the Himalayas we'll go to Kathmandu the British Embassy of Kathmandu will be the British Embassy of Kathmandu and then and then the second half of it was in New Zealand and Edmund Hillary is among the most beloved and revered of like all New Zealand citizens he's he's so he's held so dear in the minds of of all New Zealanders he's still on the $5 note to be playing Edmund Hillary on the southern

10:22Alps of the South Islander New Zealand right and having never been the whole thing was just climbing in real mountains hanging off real crevasses the two of us wrote together real snow real ice real crampons real ice axes it was there is no there's no green screen there's never been a studio this is all real and you feel it watching the movie you can having watched a thousand movies we all know whether intellectually or emotionally we can feel that you guys were out there for you for again then I mean like as I understand that there was a bit of you know you have to get to know your co-star what was the process of of getting to know Tom and vice versa getting to know again then you spent some time before filming together yeah yeah we should tell the story of Wavie Matt yeah I they said Tom will come there I'm more earlier than arrived in the pole to just to train or prepare for the movie yeah and then

11:24I went to Lugla to experience life and that's also Sherba and then Jennifer told me Tom will come but we haven't ever met before but from the story of Miss Edmith Hillary and Tonson and really no weird about their relationship was something and then I walked from from Lugla or from Kumjung to Lugla mid-town it's mean is like a air airport also yeah like Tonson Hillary airport sure the name is that and that's very meaningful for me of course and then I went there and then wetting they come out of the airport and when I see him just to just like we have very similar before it just give hugged rather and then he also like that hugged me and then we talk on talk and talk and all the way to maybe almost two days to three four days I think yeah four four days to Kumjung yeah and to Teng Bochi

12:27yeah Teng Bochi and all this experience we have very good time and all the way we practice our dialogue we discuss about our character the relationship with us and we discuss about where how we should connect our spirit together develop our friendship or everything so that's a really good experience for me it was amazing yeah how how familiar were you with with Tom's work have you have you seen a lot of the the marble work the non-marble work of Tom yeah of course I watched many Tom's film before of course Tom have many fans in China and in China we called them Ducin Ducin is Ducin yeah yeah it's a new name for you in China yeah I'm aware of the name I'm aware sorry you know that no bitch Shanghai Beijing yeah yeah so I hold it very dear it's I had to huge honor to have a nickname in China yeah yeah so I'm also watched the most of his movie yeah you're very kind of

13:30that yeah can we talk a little bit about I mean the physical challenges of this as you say you're you're you're on mountains you're in crevices like you clearly that you're doing as much of this for real as possible 100% for real did you feel endangered at any point I mean no I tell you why okay well here's the thing we we were surrounded by the the experts we were surrounded by to go back to this it was extraordinary unprecedented unrepeatable unforgettable moment I flew from London to Kathmandu and then within I think within 15 hours I was in a helicopter from Kathmandu to Lecler so Lecler is where you land if you want to trek to base camp it's where they got to when in 1953 they would have walked from yeah Kathmandu and there's now a strip of runway inside the mountain it's it's quite the landing in a fixed-wing planar helicopter the airport was built by by Tensing and Hillary I'm in the 60s in order to bring in supplies to build schools and to help

14:36the Sherpa community and and improve their living conditions and their facilities and it's called the Tensing Hillary Airport and there's a huge statue no pressure yeah yeah and I've been in the pool for 24 hours and suddenly and it was just the two of us with two Sherpas um called Purbatashi and Dr. Nema both of them are from the Kumbu Valley Purbatashi has summited Everest 21 times No 33 33 yeah 33 the last one he said his mother very worried about him to climb the mountain and the last one is he was on the middle of the way up in Mount Everest and then his mother was passed and after that he stopped it to climb the mountain and it's all legit and Purbatashi is a features very prominently in Jen's documentary Sherpa and has dedicated his life to to the mountain and

15:37helping people get to the top and get back down again safely so you had Purbatashi as your guide in Sherpa culture in their ways of life in their in their techniques their climbing techniques but also their spiritual spirituality and everything and we had Dr. Nema who was born in Kumbhjung which is on the way to base camp and ever as I say every track it goes through Kumbhjung and Dr. Nema was educated at the age of six at a school called the Hillary school which Hillary built and Dr. Nema is now my age and he's a high altitude doctor who's worked in the UK for the NHS he's worked in the United States he's worked in China and he's a specialist at high altitude medicine both of them gifted and it was just the four of us for four days walking through the same terrain across the same you know raw tion high altitude bridges the same pine forests the same tea houses

16:37walking with the donkeys and the meals and and the silence is that we shared it also the conversations we shared and suddenly the sky on the third or fourth day starts to be filled with what seemed like gods enormous mountains the biggest mountains in the world 8,000 meter plus peaks and one of them is Everest and you see it for the first time a gentle reminder of what you're doing I know and we were so we had so many conversations about it was such a gift from Jen to us to have that time away from any kind of official pre-production away from the cameras just to get to know each other to talk about the story we were going to share the responsibility we both felt to inhabit the lives of these extraordinary men who changed the idea of what's possible they both became the most famous men alive after their summit but they were very humble and very

17:39grounded people yeah but as I said to you so I had to go back to a question we were completely surrounded by experts we had a mountain safety expert called Guy Cotta who himself has summited Everest six times and he's Ilinda the son of Ed Cotta who was one of Edmund Hillary's best friends and they cut their teeth as climbers in the late 40s with George Lowe and R. Ritterford so I mean had Barry Blancher all these all these people who love mountaineering you've dedicated their life to the mountains heard about the film and wanted to help us we were the only people almost who had never done it before would either of you at this point now have you like would you want to scale Everest like for real like do it for real I worry for my fingertips I worry actors need their fingertips that's important I just I it's it's interesting also Everest itself is so busy and you know we know there's so many people up there and there's a wider

18:43conversation happening about how busy should the mountain be and and that you need us that it should be a requirement that there's a certain level of expertise to even attempt it because mountains like the ocean can can render great serenity but they have so much power that if you don't know what you're doing they can they can be very dangerous places you have a power of nature power of nature yeah there's different when you front stand front over the snow mountain and the mountain you feel you are so tiny yes so tiny front up the nature but we saw it yeah but before we started filming we saw Everest together we got it we hiked it took about four or five days to Tengbushi where there's still an old monastery and it's almost the last building yeah that you for any track or any hike as seas before they get to the mountain and then we didn't have time to go all

19:45away because we had to get back but there was a helicopter to take us back to lookler and before going back we just went through the valley over base camp and we clapped eyes on on Everest and looked up through the icefall the kumbu icefall the west and kum the south summit the neighboring faces of lotsy and nopsy and what was extraordinary was my first sight of Everest was with you I mean looked at it together we both saw Mount Everest for the first time but our viewpoint also was exactly the same as hillarys first viewpoint right he had been on a reconnaissance expedition in 1951 with this great romantic climate called Eric Shippton because Nepal hell opened its borders to west in exploration in the late 40s and they went up a peak that's opposite Everest called Pymori and suddenly they looked down and they saw this route a new route that was never available to Mallory or any of those climbers that was possible through the icefall

20:46and I had exactly the same view of Everest for the first time it gave me chills it's so just knowing it was there and so it was there 70 years ago looking exactly had this angle and and then being selected you know because they were it's worth saying as well tensing yeah tensing in 1953 on the British expedition because the Nepal had every year they gave different permits to different nations to have a go to have it make an attempt so the previous year the permit had been given to the Swiss yeah yeah with a great climate called Raymond Longbear and tensing had been with Longbear and they were only something like how many they were 800 feet from the summit or 800 meters they were so close so by the time you get to the spring of 1953 tensing already has the distinguished honor of having been the highest ever so he's

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26:00so become peace community yeah so that's really strong spirits warning like this to me because they don't want to say you are from this country you are I'm from this country there's never things sort of these things I found that's from their story and from their book they said we are all from different countries different to place but we are humanity yes and we just doing one thing just to claim the mountain not not others so their mind is a very pure and kind and compassion to all other people Tenzing always thinking about how it can make the other people happy or comfortable so this is very great great due to character of Tenzing's and he's yeah he's always doing so he said sometimes he's really hard because the Sherpa team think he just depends

27:03on the the the mountaineers yes the other people and the european people thought are you are right yeah on top of the chart for Tenzing really hard but on them he always want to think so many why to to manage the problems and yeah he's he told the about like this I think it's really hard but he's done very good job I mean there's you kind of alluded to this especially in these times it's it's really and it's beautiful to see a story about two men seemingly very pure of heart who were good just good men good people trying to accomplish something and knowing that they can't do it alone that they need a partnership a brotherhood every every climate knows that you summit as a pair yeah and you share the risks you share the challenges you share the success nothing else matters yeah and I want you to tell everybody about your connection to Norbu Tenzing

28:06oh yeah that's and the family because before I'm started our work film the movie and I really pushed to myself forget myself and joined to Tenzing's character and I watched all the documentary about Tenzing and I've written many books about Tenzing and even I just turned off my phone and I deleted all my just amusement app right I don't have anything to focus yeah just I'm 100% focused on the script and filling that and after four or a while I'm really feel and yeah I'm I'm Tenzing like this and we all the first time I met them like Norbu or they are I don't know why I have a very special feeling that's they are my family yeah just like I am the soul of Tenzing and looking to them hmm just between us have just a glasses a glass yeah just looks I'm younger than them but

29:10back off the glass I'm looking at my my my sounds I have something like this feeling and I'm gonna cry but of course I stop I've got this but I don't know yeah that's really special for me yes good yeah and also when I was Kome Jong I want to speak the Sherpaul language and I'm living in Pobu's home yes and I study my dialogue and every day I speak to them Pobu and Pobu's wife what was the daughter and sometimes I go out and go to the village and I will speak my dialogue to every people I met there and sometimes I will speak my dialogue to the yaks sheep's I saw it I saw it it was so sweet you got a pack of the yaks I saw it it was so sweet reactor should have a yaks just so they can just run the lines yeah yeah we were the honest I saw it with my own eyes the how is this man putting my my screen partners are they're really

30:11dedicated or crazy it was amazing and I remember also I mean it was four days of days and nights and you know you learnt you learnt new languages you learnt English and Sherpa can but you're also speaking the Pali and you had to learn the Sherpa dialect yeah and the way of life and we went now there's a place called Namchi Bizar and all mountaineers who've been through yeah from we will know what I'm talking about it's sort of the last place you can buy supplies it's high and everybody gets to Namchi and I remember when we left Namchi that morning you put um the bags we were carrying on your forehead like you were a Sherpa portal oh yeah yeah you were trying and and you were going up the hill and you had the bags so there's a leather strap which you put on your forehead oh yeah it's really steep I mean it was a lot it was a high climb to Kumjung and remember we they you start to see the yaks and and and we were running lines and

31:14doing bits of scenes and he would just do all his Sherpa dialogue to the yaks and then Pippatashi would say no no it's a slightly different bell sound and you go sorry sorry you do it again always but also there was this the the fact that we had this experience of doing it together was just you know and you were looking out for me because you've been in altitude for a while I mean we're going quite high I remember we were staying overnight at a tea house and I got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom do you remember this yeah it's really cold up there you sleep in your you know down jacket I got up to go to the bathroom and I went back in and there was a knock on the wall and it was again and saying Tom are you okay you are you feeling okay I'm like I'm okay I'm okay Hamzaarth never did that yeah but the middle of the night never knocking on the wall just to check on me in case I had altitude sickness question do you ever practice lines with your dog does Bobby always always seriously yeah do I really not really know but I do he will have heard them all right of course because I take my lines on dog walks because I need to but running

32:18to learn my lines on the move and so I'm like okay let's go out and he starts wagging his tail and the go for a walk the ears prick up and I'll have my lines recorded sometimes and I'll be doing them out aloud he'll look back at me and go forget it he's running his lines I'll go find some rabbits or whatever you know this is the best way to get doomsday spoilers is to follow you on a walk just talk to Bobby or talk to Bobby Bobby's got them all can we briefly we started by talking about tell you ride I don't know if you've run into folks here I was just talking to Ken Brana at the brunch which must be so wonderful for you to be so lovely to see him in this environment have you so you've run into Ken have you met anybody yet at the brunch any actor not to introduce to to my old friend Rebecca Hall so I remember the dinner last night yeah yeah yeah my friend from university Rebecca she's a really amazing extraordinary actor and artist and she's the guest director of the festival she's programmed some of the films but she's I've known her since we were

33:1818 oh yeah yeah she's great yeah so you met Rebecca and you met Rami Malik oh yeah Rami jumpy wanted to ask him for a photo oh yeah yeah but ready mercury himself really busy and in that he was busy maybe tomorrow after he sees the film he's going to come to you yes and you should brush him off and say you're busy oh no no no we're going we said there's some I used to talk about this so I can't briefly say anything yeah we talked about Norbo and I met Norbo to who's 10 by 10's and sons and jamming 10's in three years ago and sort of just wanted to hear their father's story from them but I was really fortunate and grateful for the experience of meeting Alexander Hillary as soon as I landed in Kathmandu he was actually he's a huge responsible for the Himalayan Trust which was what was set up by Edmund Hillary in his lifetime and actually after the summit

34:20of 1953 Edmund Hillary dedicated his whole life to improving the lives of the Sherpas and I think oh yeah viewed here viewed the Kumbu Valley as his second home right obviously he lived in New Zealand still and had a home there but spent a great you know a great many chapters of his life in the Kumbu where he just wanted to give back I think and as I say he built schools and he built medical facilities and helped build the air and he set up the thing called the Himalayan Trust which is which is still about trying to give back and and serve the community and he Alexander Edmund's grandson happened to be in Kathmandu so I met him on the evening that I landed and it was so extraordinary to shake his hand and sit with him for an hour or two in a way and also reassure him that I was committed to this with total sincerity

35:23that I was aware of the enormous privilege of playing his grandfather and you know was it anything he wanted me to know and actually his response was just how much he loved this part of the world and that actually towards the end of his life the things he was most proud of were his connections to the people of those mountains it wasn't necessarily the summit although he loved climbing very deeply and then I spoke to Peter Edmund's son and Alexander's father and Peter told me some amazing stories about his dad and I got this sense of the spirit of mischief and playfulness and sense of humour that I got you get from all the books I read the books I watched the documentaries I read all the different accounts John Hunt's account John Hunt is played in our film by the great William DeFoe George Lowe who was his best friend also a Kiwi wrote a book called Conquest of Everest with a photo essay and but to hear it from his son there was one story he said they were they

36:28were tracking together much later when Peter was a grown man somewhere in India and it was a very very difficult the way that was extremely difficult and the rain was coming down and the wind was building up and they were climbing this rock face and there was gale force winds and they climbed the scale of the rock face and found a plateau where they could pitch their tents and they were struggling to get canvases were being blown away and things were falling off the mountain rain was horrors on for it was it was the fine art of suffering as all high-altitude mountaineering is and it was grim and they finally got the tents up and they finally crawled in you know absolutely drenched and soaked to the skin and in complete silence and they made a brew and they all sat down and settled in and and his dad Edhilia was the first to say anything and he said he just piked up you know folks some people wouldn't think this was much fun

37:31and everybody laughed and suddenly it was a great adventure yeah and he had this gift of transforming hardship adversity into aren't we lucky we get to do this and I really think that's what I got you can translate to everything you do that's we've had that conversation acting that's what you do yeah aren't we lucky but I do feeling that and as you say like he was such a good man and tensing was such a good man and we met do you remember we met it's also worth saying we've never talked about it in in Namchi we met Kanza Shoper yeah of course and Kanza who's very sadly no longer with us yeah he died late last year we met him in and we at his house and he's the he was then the last surviving member of the expedition he was the youngest super and we sat with him for an hour or to and just sat at his feet and listened to his stories yeah he told him many stories many stories real food to us and well at the time I'm not to believe myself I can perform tenzer well and

38:38and I said do you think I can perform tenzer well I'm going to act a tenzin and he said okay you don't worry about that you can do that just you are just very looks like a tenzer right now you're here he turned to his children it says he looks just like it don't need a better endorsement than that yeah let's give me many encouragement to okay maybe I can do that there were so many sounds like there were so many signs along the way whether it's seeing Everest meeting these people that were connected in heart of it yeah yeah that's really really good and also one time we you remember we went to the school that's a admitted hell with school yes you might be watching our room there is all the admitted hell with some pen or something and we watched a shorter video about head to mid-hell we remember that yeah and he said not humanity conquered the mount Everest the mount Everest accept humanity I really love that speed yeah it was revealed something to us yeah

39:39yeah I think so hell really did many good things in the value of the Himalaya yeah and even a thought if there is heaven maybe a admitted hell is there if he is not in the heaven I think there is not existing here he didn't take the cut then who would who would right I really thought that because he did very good job to give back to the Himalaya value and the sharp ass he was he was also said that all may them or everything is come from Himalaya yeah I want to this give back to Himalaya so he just built many schools hospital to the Shapa people so his in my mind he's also like a god yeah like a Buddha that means yeah really but and also they they loved they loved the wilderness and I think that was where their their bond was formed that they loved mountains yeah it is love the

40:42freedom of being folded into nature and actually forgetting that the I think they really loved that and it was it struck me that everything I learned about both of them is that they felt completely themselves when they were out in the elements and we have to find again a compatriot a brother in arms out there right it was amazing more happy second views coming up how satisfying is it when you land at one or two pieces in your closet you know you can just go to over and over again that's what Quince does for me I've got jackets and pants and sweaters that are also functional and stylish and they honestly get used were 90% of the rest of my wardrobe that's what Quince does so well they make getting dressed easy even for me an idiot like me guys Quince focuses on high quality wardrobe staples made with premium materials like cashmere organic cotton marina wool we're talking styles that are timeless and versatile designed for your every day

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45:00i was i did us the speech from network yes the meltdown yeah yeah and because actually i it was such a great piece of writing i don't remember how i did it but i remember just that was my speech and then the next round was around there were these pairings they're a pairing of a man and a woman together and it was i i remember it being a day it probably wasn't a day it was probably like five hours or six hours but it was a lot with gal gal Gadot and we'd never met before and it was i felt at the end of the day like we had played every single scene that was possible to play right um she was extraordinary she was so available and so committed and i remember there was i don't think any masters told this sort of there was a see us we were asked by George Millers acting coach yes acting dramatone sort Michael fast bender's look to the camera there yeah

46:05and it was i was given she was given a line she was given the line i love you and i was given the line i'm sorry and that was all you were allowed to say so and then we had to play the scene or had to invent a scene out of nothing with those two lines you could say your line as many times as you like right and all she could say was i love you all i could say was i'm sorry and we went on a journey as all i was said we went it was it how long was that scene you think at about 25 minutes 25 minutes of just i love you i'm sorry you thought your job on this was hard 25 minutes and then here's the kicker we finished we we'd you know we've wept and we had you know struggled and she'd left the room and come back and you know i'd wept and and then the exercise was stopped and um George Millers acting dramaturg said okay now Tom and gal switch science we go again so i had i love you and she had i'm sorry yeah i mean um this is my new

47:12podcast devoted just a mere max fury road additions i've i could live on these stories for so i put what's interesting having having seen now the discourse there's obviously a great there's a extended discourse yeah yeah Michael fast-men a story cat dennings cat dennings i mean i don't think anyone can top tom Hardy at mom's house at mom's house until at the clock at night just shooting the breeze um but yeah it sounds like every audition was slightly different but i do remember feeling that was a workout yeah that was an acting workout okay and last thing i have nothing you can tell me obviously about doom state but we'll hopefully be talking more about that and much to do yeah New York i can't wait it strikes me that you and Patrick Stewart have both died three times it's that right throughout the Marvel films is somebody going to come out ahead do you think your Patrick is going to take the mantle of most deaths on screen that is it three three each for you is that the three i believe hang on is he counting the end of Thor one yeah that's the death wait no i'm not wait does it letting go letting go the spear let's go let's go

48:18I could have done it if he was one we know that's the death that's a death dark world is two that's definitely two yeah i guess that's my third then Thor is three yeah is it not you're not counter you're not lowkey okay yeah yeah i count it so that's three i'm i'm not as well versed in the Patrick Stewart law um i look if i keep going down the path of the end of the sentence i will find myself revealing things that it depends what you know i'm not i'm just i'm gonna stop i have to stop are you happy that i mean Loki seems integral to the film yes would you say that yes that's a badge of honor among 50 characters the feel that you're a major certainly certainly come on i'm holding the timelines together okay and well i respect it i just don't all right i'll let you go on that's you know it's a we live in a multiverse now i think and um and Loki has is is the god of stories so there it is

49:24yeah do you remember is an in do you remember we were in a monastery in in lower Mustang this is extraordinary moment it was you and me and willow and so there's actually just not just of northeast of the kumbu valley because the kumbu is still an extraordinary destination and everybody should go by the way it's it's a completely life-changing thing to do today just to take your best friend or your partner or your children or your you know dear friends and do the do the trek to base camp it's it's a pilgrimage that i recommend with every farmer in my being but it's still busy it's busy with it's busy with the modern world you know at namchi you can go to yakbuck and go yeah and go to a yakbuck coffee sounds great it's my favorite mark uh oh my better than starbucks look i don't want to get into a whole lot of beef wavy even the cap i didn't mean that sorry sorry i have i have the cup is my i drink in the morning coffee in the morning at home is out of my yak guck i'm i love that

50:27cups so much yeah anyway um we were then so we couldn't there were certain things we couldn't do in the kumbu valley because it has all of the you know it comes with the 21st century it's got right and people are there and they should be there so we couldn't film there with all of our period costumes and our period details so we actually went further east to a place called lower Mustang uh and john som which is very remote near the border with china and um i loved it there because it was so quiet we did lots of climbing do you remember we went up and yeah yeah um but we were in we had been um for a day or two saw a real active monastery with you know which houses uh monks who've been there for many many years in john som became the location for where we have our um pujja yeah yeah yeah yeah where where they stop where the the exhibition stops and and asks for for a blessing right um from the lama right is that

51:29yeah yeah yeah yeah um and uh we had all the western climbers participate in this extraordinary a religious ceremony long story short we're in this monastery and the monks have generously given us this location for a day and they're very curious because we have all their kuchamaya sure filmmaking and cameras and microphones and we do things again and again and again and retake and um at the end of the day we go on to the rooftop and we take some stills photographs uh remember and uh three of the of the most quiet self-effacing monks approach us and one of the monks said excuse me mr. Loki mr. green goblin maybe have a photograph yeah the power and willum and i looked at each other and it was like a kushikan and yeah so they they're these photographs of um you were the monks yeah Loki and the green goblin just up in in the high the high

52:29hills of uh up at a lower Mustang great story telling transcends goes everywhere that's it that's it but i also it was the the the respect of mr the the mr. Loki mr. mr. green goblin maybe harbour maybe you have a photo yeah that's the way to we didn't want you to feel excluded from that yeah if you're in the photo too yeah yeah we'll get them in the up to you too we'll know tell them i don't worry i hope you did photo i'm the photographer well that time that's right you are the minick dream that's right you're tensing we don't do this without this yeah exactly but it was an amazing well here we are we're here on we're in one of the most remote places i've ever been which is a you know a remote Buddhist monastery in the in the himalayas in the foothills and um reminded mr. Loki mr. green goblin well look film at its best should feel like an adventure for you guys and for an audience and this seems to satisfy both um i'm so thrilled that you're this is like the beginning it's like the first interviews you really give them a message yeah so i appreciate you guys it's great to meet you again then and congratulations i mean this is a high

53:33bar to achieve and a really important thing to honor and you did an amazing job can i say you just should have seen how hard this guy worked there's a scene in the film where um and i could i could honestly i you know i could go on all day but the most difficult puberty and all the great summoneders of every sport tell you the most dangerous part of everyest is not the summit it's the kumbu ice for and the kumbu ice for is just after base camp and an ice for is exactly what it says on the tin it's a waterfall that's frozen which means it's moving all the time and the sherpas would go up ahead of the climbers and try to basically plot a route through the ice for crevasses everywhere serax that as as high as high rise buildings and if they fall on top of you that's it yeah it's russian roulette you do not know when the four to four is going to change oh yeah and um there's a moment in a story where they're trying to to plot a route through the ice

54:39form and they come across a crevasses which seems completely unpassible it's too deep and it's too wide and the expedition can't get around they can't get through they can't they can't get across it they have to go back and find another way so everybody retreats to base camp bears down for the night and the next morning air hitery gets up thinking i'm just going to go and check it out and see if i can find a way and on the way there he hears an estranged unnatural sound of metal against metal and you realize tensing has got up an hour before him and he's already down there he hasn't fallen down there he's climbed down the crevasse he's climbed into the crevasse and then traversed the base of it and then it's climbed up it and the way you do that in high altitude mountaineering is you because it's a sheer wall of ice you have to as they mountaineers would tell you you cut steps so you cut with your icing your own power your own ladder you each uh foothold and handhold becomes

55:44the ladder that you build and most mountaineers in hillywood certainly say it's a routine mountaineering issue but it took you it took and we would have taken half an hour and when we did it for real the extraordinary stunt department led by orgy davis put um gendon at the bottom of the crevasse and then gendon climbed out of it there was no let's just cut some steps for you and the camera was on the jib for a couple of cameras shooting at the same time and jen just said okay gendon climb do it does it real quick yeah and he all watched him climb out of the crevasse how does that climb just three or four times you've earned a romantic comedy you've earned a very nice easy movie next don't do this again you did it he's incredibly tough yeah that's really tired of you know with the after I tried a three times climb the three or four times and of that I'm really exhausted

56:49which is a lion on the edge of the crevasse and remember there's the other moment where and this really happened and and hilly writes about it where they were they were high up on the on the western quim uh all the lots he faced which is which is the sort of it's the most exhausting part of climbing Everest and you just have to cut steps so that everyone can get supplies because it's a pyramid of effort you're you're you have to carry the loads of your food and your oxygen cylinder is and your tents and so you're climbing high and then sleeping low and then getting up your your sugar and your coffee and your oxygen and your cheese and your dried apricots and tin peaches and your sardines you climb down go back up again it's it is such painstaking work but there was a moment where tensing and Hillary had decided they recognizing each other in a kind of mutual talent they were very strong they were very determined they worked very fast they were probably the fittest of the group and they had a bit like scuba diving right you you do it as a pair and they

57:56had paired up and they were they were out they're cutting steps on the lots he faced and they were and they were quite confident they were running back down at the end of the day and Hillary writes about jumping across this very narrow crevasse and you know and he was feeling the wind in his sails and looking forward to getting home for for dinner and a cup of tea and the the other side of the ledge gave way under his feet and he was falling and he said tensing saved his life because he did what's called a self-rest you jam the ice axe into the snow it could be a rope together wrap the rope around the ice axe and then it locks but Hillary is now suspended in a crevasse basically being held by tensing's weight and the ice axe and then Hillary has to climb out but I remember when we did it they gave you my full weight yeah I was in the crevasse for real and this is a tall man this is what it's tall man it's a really heavy and it's actually

58:57gendon has to then pull me out of the crevasse as I'm cutting steps and trying to take some of the way that's a really really really that pushness as you don't want to perform that is you are really doing that thing so it's a good day really honestly best days I'm glad I got to enjoy it in my comfy seat in the theater I enjoyed it in the best possible the whole thing was unprecedented and unrepeatable yeah unforgettable I've never made a film like this yeah they never make another one yeah every part of this is really yeah removable it's it's all on the screen you should feel both of you should feel very proud of it thank you Joe ours away from the big premiere enjoy the moment this is a special one congratulations great to meet you gendon thank you Tom I don't know where we're going next but we'll find another city another we'll do the the act continues yeah Toronto what's up that's the Toronto all right good to see you guys thank you appreciate you and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on

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