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Tonight, on all end, the situation with the rent is moving along very rapidly.

It's doing very well.

The situation in Iran stays bad.

Hopefully in the next few weeks, we will see ship traffic returning to the straights

hall moves.

Tonight, Trump embraces higher oil prices as his Iran war grinds the global economy to

a halt.

We don't want to leave early, do we?

We got to finish the job, right?

Then the latest updates on the attack on Michigan's largest synagogue and the shooting in Virginia

being investigated as terrorism.

Plus, Congressman Road Conner on the Epstein files we still haven't seen, and why Donald

Trump is reportedly whipping against a bill to make housing more affordable.

I don't want to drive housing prices down.

I want to drive housing prices up.

All in, start right now.

Good evening from New York.

I'm Chris Hayes.

We're monitoring two very scary incidents that happened today.

First, a situation in Virginia at Old Dominion University, where a gunman opened fire, killing

one person, and wounding two others.

Officials say the suspect who is dead had previously been convicted for ties to ISIS.

We're also following an attack on a synagogue in West Bloomfield outside Detroit.

A suspect rammed his car into the place of worship, apparently driving into a hallway

inside the building.

He is dead, and very luckily, no one else was killed.

There was a half day at the preschool there that had 140 children.

There are reports that the car contained explosives.

We're going to have more on both of these stories coming up, but of course, all this

is unfolding amid the backdrop of Donald Trump's continuing war with Iran.

As of tonight, eight American servicemembers have died, dozens have been injured.

In fact, the night Senkhan is reporting the loss of an American refueling plane in Iraq,

they say not from hostile fire or friendly fire, but honestly, we don't know.

Because the war is now being fought in over a dozen countries, including Iraq.

Officials throughout the region are reporting their mounting death tolls at the stands,

more than 1,300 Iranian civilians are dead, 17,000 were injured.

There's millions who have been displaced, nearly 700 people have been killed in Lebanon

alone, as Israel continues its incursion and strikes, what it says are Hezbollah fighters

there.

15 people have died inside Israel.

There have been at least 70 other casualties throughout the various Gulf states.

At this point, nearly two weeks in, it is abundantly clear and gets clear by the day.

The White House has no plan.

And honestly, quite possibly, it appears again, didn't really bother to think about the

potential consequences.

Today, the Strait of Formuz remains effectively shut down for non-Iranian ships with Iran firing

on oil tankers that try to make the journey through the very narrow strait, the 20 percent

of global oil traffic goes through.

Going through that very dangerous channel right now is something that Donald Trump says

they should just do anyway, just suck it up and go through.

In his first public statement, very first public statement, Iran's new supreme leader says

the Strait will stay closed indefinitely.

Now, as a result of the blockade being undertaken by Iranian armed forces, there's currently

a backlog of at least 1,000 ships that can't go through the Strait.

By the way, it's not just oil, it's fertilizer, it's sulfur, which is used for a whole bunch

of industrial and chemical processes, partly because of this, largely because of this,

a barrel of oil is now approaching $100 a barrel, it likely will not stop there.

And astoundingly, after interviewing a dozen U.N. officials, the New York Times came

to the conclusion that this White House simply didn't think this would happen, did not

plan for this, which I got to say is kind of apparent to anyone watching them respond

in real time.

President Trump announced the U.S. Development Finance Corporation will provide political

risk insurance at a very reasonable price for crude carriers and cargo ships operating

in and around the Gulf.

And as you pointed out, Jackie, the president said, if necessary, and win appropriate, the

U.S. Navy will begin escorting tankers through the Strait of Hermuz.

Okay, think about the timeline here, right?

February 28th is when the war starts on Saturday.

That was March 4th.

So four days later, four or five days later, they're saying, oh, we got a plan once they

start to see that, oh, this might be a problem.

We're going to provide political risk insurance and we're going to escort Jeff.

So let's start with the first part of that proposal.

Charles proposal for the U.S. government to offer insurance to tankers going through

the Strait of Hermuz.

It's apparently going to be run by that government agency she mentioned, the U.S.

International Development Finance Corporation.

It's going to cost $20 billion, okay, fine, but it's an unusual proposal because while

there is a market around insuring ships during wartime, it's not really something the

U.S. does or has any expertise in.

It's actually mostly run out of the well-known insurance firm Lloyds of London.

So the Wall Street Journal did some excellent reporting on how, listen this, the White House

apparently on the fly, like after Trump announced it, scrambled to try to put together

X-Nilo out of nowhere their own maritime insurance market during wartime.

That one was apparently trying to figure out how maritime insurance works.

As the journal reports, quote, U.S. officials called London insurers and brokers trying

to figure out how the market operates industry insiders said, the administration adapted

its plan on Friday after ship owners and insurers questioned its practicality.

DSC pivoted to proposing using the $20 billion as re-insurance were covered that insurers

can buy to offset certain risks for insurances like insuring insurers.

This commitment to cover all maritime trade in the Gulf is also being rode back.

The federal re-insurance will be limited to ships that meet certain as yet unspecified

criteria.

Now, as the journal goes on to note, though, the insurance here isn't really the problem.

You see, any ship that wants to traverse the shape of her moves can already get insurances.

The reason they're not risking it is because Iran is going to try to sink them.

As one executive accompany that runs national gas cankers put it in the article, quote,

it's more about the safety of the crews rather than taking on insurance for damages.

Ah, yes, one thing we forgot about our plan, those pesky humans helming the big oil

transports that don't want to die.

So, that brings us to Trump's second plan to have a U.S. Navy escort ships through

the strait.

Now, you remember earlier this week, Trump's Secretary of Energy Chris Wright said the

U.S. Tana had already done it.

They had already escorted a ship from the strait before the White House had to work

to track the claim without explanation.

Now Chris Wright says it will happen eventually.

People are, you know, would love to see the Navy being able to escort a tanker through

the strait.

And earlier this week from an ex-post, it looked like that was happening.

It wasn't happening.

I guess the White House later said that it was incorrect.

Why isn't it happening?

Can it happen now?

Will it happen soon that the Navy can do that?

That'll happen relatively soon, but it can't happen now.

We're simply not ready.

Not ready, you say?

Well, I mean, you can see why you're not ready after all.

Iran did surprise attack.

Oh, wait.

No, actually, no, no, U.S. and Israel were the ones that started this, right?

This round of it.

So even if it does happen eventually, I got to say, I'm not sure the American public is

on board with a plan that to be really crystal clear about what we're talking about here,

list the lives of U.S. service members, many of them aboard well-man ships so that we

can escort foreign oil tankers through the strait, especially because, as Donald Trump

now says, ready for this one?

High gas prices are actually a good thing, not making it up.

Here it is, writing on social media, quote, the United States is the largest oil produced

in the world by far.

When oil prices go up, we make a lot of money.

You think that one's a winning message heading into the midterms?

I started a war that's going to make gasway more expensive, but don't worry because the

oil company is going to get rich.

American oil companies.

Great.

I don't think even the White House actually believes that one.

Which explains yet another chaotic about face it's taken this one on releasing oil from

the strategic reserves.

Listen to this on the journal, reporting again.

So on Tuesday morning, that same Chris Wright, the one who is like, we're escorting ships.

No, we aren't.

Oh, it's going to happen soon.

So Chris Wright goes and meets with foreign leaders and tells them the White House is

opposed to releasing international energy association oil.

A bunch of countries are going to come together and release oil from their strategic reserves.

And Chris Wright goes in the meeting and says, no, that's a bad idea.

Less than two hours later, he went back, hat in hand and started making the case for releasing

oil.

Is this going to happen?

Possibly because Trump wanted to make this public announcement.

I'm pleased to report that earlier today, the international energy agency agreed to coordinate

the release of a record 400 million barrels of oil from various national petroleum reserves

around the world, which will substantially reduce the oil prices as we end this threat

to America and this threat to the world.

We don't want to leave early, do we?

We got to finish the job, right?

Finish the job.

It's done.

The war is won, but also just beginning.

It's a little bit of both at the same time.

They pose no threat, but we got to finish the job.

It really feels incoherent.

And that's before we even get into matters of national security.

There too, Trump is making up intelligence on the spot.

Look at this.

That the U.S. knows about alleged Iranian sleeper cells, but seemingly has taken no action

against them.

Have you been briefed about how many Iran sleeper cells there could be inside the U.S.

right now?

I have been and a lot of people came in through Biden with a stupid open border, but we know

where most of them are.

We've got our eye on all of them, I think.

Okay.

Let's just look at that again.

We came through Biden's stupid open border, right?

We know where most of them are.

We've got our eye on all of them, I think.

So there are Iranian sleeper cells, according to Donald Trump, that they know about who

are just chillin' that were just like lettin' hang out.

Now, I gotta be clear.

I don't know how seriously we should take that claim at all.

I think there's some real reason for skepticism.

But taking Trump at his word, it would mean, again, the government knows about Iranian sleeper

agents in the U.S. there to do some terrible thing, but isn't lifting a finger to deport

them?

It would rather expend billions of dollars shooting on armed protesters and nabbing

and deporting kids with spider-man backpacks.

Miles Taylor worked as the chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security during

Trump's first term.

She departs as a co-founder, executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible

Statecraft, and they joined me now.

Miles, let me just start with you, because one of the things I really have been trying

to do is not to let my biases and priors override how I am trippering the news, which is

I obviously don't think particularly highly of the individuals that run the federal government

or White House, but at the same time, I wanna think, well, it can't be as shambolic as

it looks, right?

I'm missing something, obviously, that the Department of Defense has an incredible architecture

around planning.

As someone who worked in the first Trump administration, like, how are you interpreting these signals?

Chris, I'm gonna tell you this.

It is not as bad as it looks.

It is so much worse.

It is so much worse because Donald Trump and the people around him have a predilection

for putting this veneer over their lack of planning and making it seem always like

it's four-dimensional chess when it's less than checkers, okay?

When it's like coin flipping instead of checkers.

That is what is happening inside that administration, and if you think that is exaggeration, I will

walk you through what I think was the most serious situation I was involved in in the first

term, which is that we were barreling towards nuclear war with North Korea, and Donald

Trump made it seem like all the bluster was four-dimensional chess to try to get them

to the negotiating table.

Well I will tell you what his cabinet members thought.

His cabinet members thought he was as crazy as a fox, and he was going to accidentally

get us into a nuclear war.

To the point that we had to do literal real-life nuclear planning at Homeland Security in anticipation

that the president might accidentally get us into a nuclear conflict, and we would have

to play clean-up here on the defensive side.

That's pretty serious stuff, that the president doesn't know what he's doing.

He might get us into a nuclear war.

Now here we are, much further along in a situation like that, and I will remind you, Chris,

with a country that Donald Trump's own envoy has said had enough fissile material for

potentially 11 nuclear weapons, and even though they don't have enough enrichment capability,

he just said two days ago on CNBC they could still turn it into a dirty bomb, and now he's

gone to war with that country.

That's how reckless this is.

These guys aren't thinking three inches in front of their faces.

Three to the new Supreme Leader made the first public statement today.

We should note the context here, which is that he is the son of the previous Supreme

Leader of the US, or Israeli, it's unclear, which I think is a really strike, but the

two government struck, killed.

His mother was killed in that strike.

His wife, I believe, was killed in that strike.

It's believed that he was possibly wounded in that strike.

It seems to me very clear from that statement and how Iran has conducted itself that they

view the Strait of Hormuz and their ability to disrupt global oil supply as the key source

of leverage.

Do you think that's a fair assessment?

Absolutely.

What they are feeling right now is, as much as we see that the American side appears

to be in this array, they feel very confident right now on the Iranian side.

They've seen that everything has been thrown at them.

Their Supreme Leader was killed.

There was no major protest following that.

There was no collapse of the theocracy that was expected.

In fact, Trump was telling regional leaders don't worry about this.

This will be over within four days.

He thought this war was going to only take four days.

He went in with completely erroneous assumptions and expectations about Iran's weakness, sold

to him primarily by the Israeli Prime Minister.

None of that was true, and here we are as a result.

Now the Iranians believe that they actually have Trump added chokehold because of the

Strait of Hormuz.

And if you look carefully at the new Supreme Leader's statement, they're not going to end

the war even if Trump declares victory.

Even if Trump declares victory and say, you know, I'm done with this, we already won.

The Iranians are going to continue because they're not going to stop until they get something

from the United States and from Israel as a price for them to agree to end this war.

Yes.

The president of Iran, who's distinct from the Supreme Leader, he's elected under the

sort of hybrid one party rule there, laid out a provisions, three provisions that he

said are for actually ending the war, you know, terms and conditions for some kind of cease

fire.

I guess the question for you, Miles, I mean, I think the look, the conventional military

firepower of the U.S. and Israeli forces are greater than Iran, right?

I mean, I don't think there's that much question.

They could do a tremendous amount of damage to Iran and to the Iranian people, but also

to the Iranian capabilities.

I mean, there's just no question about that.

The big, I mean, I guess the big bet here, right, is that Donald Trump is very inconstant.

I mean, we saw this during COVID from one day to the next.

It was shut down everything, open everything back up, keep them on the boat.

I don't want the numbers to come off the boat.

We're getting the vaccine.

Like, I think their bet is like, they can use that to their advantage, which is that

he won't tolerate $5 a gallon gasoline for very long.

And I wonder having worked around them, whether you think that's a fair bet they're

make.

Well, what's unusual about this, Chris, is Donald Trump knows how serious the threat of

high gas prices is.

And I'll tell you, this isn't speculation.

I had meetings with him in the Oval Office about U.S. policy towards countries like Saudi

Arabia.

Well, one of the reasons Donald Trump didn't want to go hard on the Saudis is he was

worried that gas prices would go up.

And I want to tell you what threshold he told me would be a bad threshold, $100 a barrel.

He said, if I go after the Saudis on this oil could go up, it could go up north of $100

a barrel.

Donald Trump knows this is bad.

He has told his team before he knows this is bad and he's doing it anyway.

So he's defying his own judgment for whatever it's worth to go forward with this.

And I'll also say, Chris, it's the economic factors compounded with the security factors

that make this so galling because the president also knows or at least should know from his

national security team that Iran is the most formidable terrorist enemy we have ever faced

since 9-11.

I mean that.

The most serious terror threat.

In fact, the most serious terror plots in the history of the world outside of the

ones planned by Al Qaeda have been planned by Iran and its proxies.

So when you mention conventional warfare, Chris, Donald Trump can't count on conventional

warfare to win this fight, including the straight-up or moves.

There's a reason he can't just send US Navy ships to escort those boats through the

straight-up or moves because the Iranians aren't going to send a Navy boat after him.

That seems like an insane idea to me.

Again, just on behalf of the U.S. service members who are being asked to do that, it's one

thing to sacrifice yourself and put yourself in harm's way for your country.

We're countrymen to defend your country.

But to make sure the oil is cheap enough seems to me abridged too far.

There's also sort of the regional aspect of this treaty.

You know, it's a complicated situation, obviously.

The Gulf states have had extremely tense, sometimes just openly hostile relationships with

this Iranian government at times.

It's fluctuated in different ways.

Iran is now retaliating against targets in many of these countries, which again, host

American bases.

It's not just like random, they're going after them.

I saw this was interesting.

Oh, man, which has played this kind of switcher-lin neutral role.

It's foreign minister said it won't support the war that it considers legitimate, meaning

on behalf of the U.S.

And I wonder how much the regional calculations matter here or does Iran just really see this

about, can we make Donald Trump break on oil?

Look, the Iranians could do much more against the GCC states.

And the GCC states know that the Iranians are, by no means, being kind to them, but there's

much more that they could do.

And they are rightfully infuriated with Iranians for the way that they have been attacked.

But it has also done something else, which is that it has really raised question marks.

Of what is the value of having these American bases there?

They were supposed to be balancing against Iran, preventing a war.

But now it's the United States itself that is starting that war.

And then within that war, these bases have proven not to be a protection for these states,

but rather the targets.

Iran is not attacking them in spite of these bases.

They're attacking them because of these bases.

So the bases and the American military presence there has ended up becoming a source of insecurity

rather than secure.

Now, they're going to be very upset at Iran for quite some time, but I suspect that

over time, you're at least going to see a few of these states starting to, at the minimum

walk away from having all of their eggs in the American security basket because it's

not paying off.

Well, I mean, I think it really depends on what the outcome is, too, which I think remains

incredibly undetermined, obviously, a wide variance, Miles Taylor, Gina Parsley, that

was really really enlightening.

Thank you both.

Thank you.

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Two terrifying incidents today, one at a synagogue in Michigan, another on a college campus

in Virginia.

So authorities in Virginia say a gunman identified as Muhammad Bill or Jola killed one person

and injured two others who are currently hospitalized.

The FBI says a group of students were the ones that subdued and actually killed the shooter.

Jola was previously sentenced to prison back in October of 2017 after pleading guilty

to attempting to provide material support to ISIS, which was released from prison in December

2024.

The FBI announced this afternoon they are leading the ongoing investigation.

We are conducting all their investigative steps into Jalo and the specifics of the shooting.

We have dedicated analytical and tactical support.

We are eating in this investigation throughout the entire time.

Michael Fienberg served as assistant special agent charge the FBI and he joins me now.

I'm going to first just a reaction to what we know about the facts here and Mr. Jalo,

I believe was a U.S. veteran left the armed services and then was caught by the FBI,

I believe, in some sort of one of those kind of undercover operations.

Yeah, he was speaking to an FBI confidential source for an extensive period of time made

clear that he was going to buy an assault rifle to try and mimic the fort hood shooting

from 2009.

The FBI got ahead of it, made sure the rifle was disabled and the morning after he bought it,

he was arrested by agents from the Washington Field Office and prosecuted in the Eastern District

of Virginia.

He was sentenced, he served his sentence, he got out in 2024, we don't have a ton of further

details.

I guess the question here is like at one level, if you serve your sentence and you get out in

America, you are a free person and it's a pretty important sacrosanct thing that you don't

get like, you know, you don't get spied on unless there's some probable cause after

that.

Is there a standard thing that the FBI does in these cases?

Well, you hit the nail on the head.

There are legitimate civil liberties concerns if you continue to go after somebody after

they have served their time according to the rules of the society in which we live.

That said, there are things the FBI can do in terms of keeping tab on the entire jurisdiction

in community, whether it is liaison with people who might come across this individual just

in the course of ordinary life, whether it is communicating with tripwires like fertilizer

sales or gun sales or what have you, just the people somebody who wants to carry out a

terrorist plot may interact with.

You know, I worked in this FBI office for quite some time and it's not that big a metropolitan

area and I think, unfortunately, what happened there has happened nationwide, which is that

on any given day, 25 to 30% of the people who are supposed to be doing the job of protecting

us from violent acts are being redeployed to do immigration enforcement and the consequences

are foreseeable.

Yeah.

I mean, just as an institutional level, the FBI is very clear that they have set priorities.

A lot of those priorities are immigration.

People have been moved off of counterterrorism.

We know that they've been either relocated because they participated in investigations

of Jan 6th, folks, or they've been moved to immigration.

This is just a descriptive truth about what the FBI under Trump and Patrick Del Look

like, Michael Feinberg, who served in the FBI, thanks for your time to appreciate it.

Thank you.

We turn our attention to the Detroit suburbs today.

We're just outside of Detroit, a suspect rammed a vehicle into Temple, Israel.

You can see that overhead shot.

It's one of the largest reform synagogues and Jewish communities in the country.

I mean, it's a centerpiece of all sorts of stuff, including preschool.

The driver died after an exchange of gunfire with Temple Security staff who were there.

The synagogue runs a childcare center and evacuated all children and staff.

The only injury was a security guard who was hit by the vehicle, taken to hospital, and

thank goodness is expected to recover.

Tonight, authorities said they are still investigating the decline to give information

about the suspect or his motives.

The FBI is here working with our state, local, and federal partners to investigate this

incident.

And confirm that we are leading the investigation right now as a targeted act of violence against

the Jewish community.

Mark Santias, investigative reporter of MSNOW.

He has been all over this all day.

He joins me now.

What do we know so far?

So we don't know much about the suspect, Chris, but what we do know, we know the suspect

drove a car right through the doors of Temple Israel and then drove down the hallway.

At some point, one of the security members were told Temple Israel's security team retired

law enforcement officers.

One person was hit, that person expected to make a full recovery.

Two other members of the security team opened fire, at least nine shots were fired, and

we're also told that at some point something ignited in the vehicle.

Now law enforcement sources tell us there may have been explosive materials in the vehicle,

not necessarily functional IEDs, but components.

So they're looking at that.

Chris, there was a large fire inside Temple Israel just to give you some perspective.

Thirty law enforcement officers had to be taken to the hospital with smoke inhalation.

So it was a very big fire inside.

Again, while they didn't get into motive, the FBI saying this was a targeted act of violence

against the Jewish community.

No children, no staff were injured.

Obviously, this is like all, basically all synagogues in America, particularly large ones,

they have to, it is a horrible fact of life here that they have to pay for security and

have security.

We've seen multiple attacks against synagogues.

This was the statement put out by Temple Israel.

Everyone is safe.

All 140 students in our Susan and Harold Laws early childhood center, our amazing staff,

our courageous teachers and our heroic security personnel, all accounted for and safe, which

is an incredible sigh of relief.

I think we first saw this very worried.

Obviously, this is being seen by every synagogue across the country and across North

America and indeed across the world about bracing themselves.

Absolutely.

We heard from NYPD today, we heard from the LAPD, everyone was, had eyes on West Bloomfield.

They're also the LAPD said they're putting assets at places of worship.

Michael Bouchard, who is the sheriff here, has a very good relationship in the law and

enforcement community.

I've known sheriff Bouchard for a long time.

He's very well respected.

They share information.

They also cross train with federal agents as well as the state police.

So they really work together.

Temple Israel, a pillar of the community, also has a very good relationship.

With law enforcement, they all work together.

And I mean, thank God for the security personnel.

I mean, it just could have been so, so, so much worse.

So a heroic action there, Mark Santilla, thanks so much.

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law that Donald Trump and signed have been released, that nothing more would come out,

more documents for released just last week after they got kind of shamed into it, including,

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Trump was consistently denied wrongdoing when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein.

Now, even after last week's release, we also know there are still 37 pages of associated

Epstein records, we can tell from the way these files are indexed, that relate to generally

this area, that the Justice Department has yet to publish.

Congressional investigation to Epstein and his associates continues yesterday, the House

Oversight Committee, heard six hours of closed door testimony from Epstein's account

in Richard Khan, who also serves as the executor of his estate.

California Congressional Rokana sits in the Oversight Committee, and was there for Khan's

deposition yesterday.

He also co-authored the Epstein Accountability Act, which forced DOJ to release the files,

and he joins me now.

Congressional first just, because you were in the room and we weren't, do you feel like

you learned anything interesting or new in the deposition of Mr. Khan yesterday?

Chris, what we learned is how much money was transferred to Epstein by very powerful

rich people, like Leon Black, like Les Wexner, like allegedly the Rothschilds, two other

prominent people.

One of the things that's shocking to me, I was recently up at Dartmouth.

I mean, I know you've been to the Ivy League, I mean, they still have buildings named

after Leon Black, like what's going on, the amount of people getting away with things

and no accountability in this country has been shocking.

There needs to be investigations, prosecutions, but also just accountability for these individuals.

Well, let me ask on that, because I mean, be careful here, right, that Leon Black, as

far as I know, and correct me I'm wrong, there aren't accusations of wrongdoing by him,

or there may be that are not substantiated.

I know Mr. Black and Mr. Wexner gave Epstein a lot of money to manage, but do you have evidence

at least from this deposition or other things of files that they themselves engage in

anything like the kinds of acts that Epstein did?

There are very serious allegations that they engaged both in financial crimes and allegedly

in some of the trafficking.

Those are allegations, but they're all over the files.

And it does not take criminal standards of proof to say that someone's name is now

becoming a moral burden on a university to say that a building shouldn't be named

of them.

Now, do I think that Leon Black is entitled to do process and should go through court

hearings?

Absolutely, but should he at least be investigated?

Should he at least be, should someone at the DOJ at least call them up and say, hey, how

about giving an interview and explaining what happened, given you're all over the files

and their serious allegations?

Absolutely.

So, yeah, let's stay with Leon Black.

I mean, this is an example where, remember, that original memo that got this kicked off.

I'm not saying remember to you.

I'm saying to the audience because you remember, the Department of Justice said, hey, we've

done this, this exhaustive search.

You know, we have reporting that there's people in shifts working 24 hour days and there's

nothing in the files that indicates any predicate for any further investigation along criminal

lines of anyone.

And that seems pretty clearly not true, right?

I mean, at this point, like, again, not that there's anything definitive that says this

person is guilty of something.

But that original statement that kind of kicked this off, that there's nothing further

to investigate, do you feel like that's been definitively disproven just on what's been

released so far?

Yes, and Khan actually testified.

He said, look, he didn't believe there are a thousand plus survivors, many of the survivors

and lawyers say thousand plus, but he said hundred plus survivors.

And he explicitly said that the survivors themselves allege that there were more people

involved in abusing or raping them than Maxwell or Epstein.

At this point, it is beyond clear that there are other people who engaged in the rape of

underage girls or the abuse of underage girls.

By the way, some of them, Chris, are not famous.

I have people with survivors texting me saying this person's in the files.

Why is no investigation taking place?

This was not just Epstein.

There are additional documents that are, we think, associated with this one individual

accuser who has an interview about Jeffrey Epstein that is, again, truly horrifying

read as well as an allegation against Donald Trump that he, well, he doesn't explicitly deny

but says he has no wrongdoing.

There are 37 pages still yet to be released.

He took him a while to sort of shake out those 16 pages of those three interviews.

Are you confident that the other 37 are going to come out?

Well, the more you talk about it and more journalists talk about it, that's what's going

to get it to come out.

I mean, basically, they try to give us nothing and then the survivors say, no, that's

not acceptable.

And then the journalists and media say it's not acceptable and then they relent and

they give us something.

But here you had four FBI witness interviews about someone who made allegations against

Donald Trump.

We don't know if they're true or not.

And they release one and they don't release three of them.

Now they've released three of them, but they're still sitting on something and you have

to ask yourself, why would the FBI take the time to interview someone four times?

And that Miami Herald reported that the Department of Justice said that the FBI found

enough credibility that they thought it was worth investigating the four times.

But Chris, the main point here is, it reeks of a cover-up.

They should just release the files.

They should comply with the law.

And for the life of me, I don't understand why they keep doing this drip, drip, drip

things.

It's offensive to the survivors and it's horrible politics.

Congressman Rokana, co-author of the act that forced the release of those files like

for your time.

Thank you.

So, look, I'm one of the most stunning admissions from Donald Trump yet.

And why are they going to be paying more because of it next?

So, Donald Trump's approval rating in poll after poll after poll last few months and

weeks, particularly, is bad, right?

It's somewhere around 60% disapproving of how he's handling the job.

But it gets even worse.

It's worse than that when people are asked about his priorities, not approval, but like

70% of people say he has not paid enough attention to the nation's most important problems.

And we're seeing this play out in real life everywhere you look.

I'm joined now by Jamel Bowie, opinion columnist in New York Times, where he writes about

the alternate universe of Donald Trump.

John Tester, who serves as Democratic Center for Montana for nearly two decades now

contributes to your premise.

Now, what a pleasure to have both you gentlemen here, two people I really enjoy hearing

from.

Let me start with you, Jamel.

This has flown under the radar a little bit understandably, but it is the case that

the president right now is boycotting the entire legislative process.

Yes.

I don't think anyone knows this unless he gets his sort of voter suppression law passed,

which would imperil the voting abilities of tens of millions of women who've taken their

husband's name, would basically get rid of mail voting, cause all sort of chaos in the

system.

He has posted saying unless we get it, I won't be signing any, as president, I will not

sign other bills until this is passed.

I can't think of a thing like more toxic politically in terms of priorities, which is

to go to voters and be like, I don't care about anything else.

This is what I care about.

That's exactly right.

The president through this entire term is showing almost total indifference to the things

that got him elected.

I keep on making this distinction to my own work.

We always are obsessed with his core voters, the MAGA faithful, but he won the election

not because of these core voters, core voters because of these key voters, people who are

voting because of inflation, because of cost of living, because they just, they want

less chaos in the world.

He's basically ignored them entirely.

This gambit of, I'm going to hold my breath and pelten to you, do what I want.

There's another example of ignoring their priorities entirely, and I think it's contributed

a great deal to his just collapsing approval rating.

There's this incredible quote, a center that I want to read you that comes from punchball.

Mike Johnson goes into talk to him, because there's sort of an interesting thing happening

around housing.

Right?

If you ask Americans across the political spectrum, there's a real problem with housing.

The Senate just passed by overwhelming bipartisan majorities bill co-authored by Elizabeth

Warren and Tim Scott to try to essentially encourage more housing construction.

I will note there's a part of it that I think is pretty suspect about basically banning

single family homes built to rent.

You can talk about that later, but that's the deal.

So Johnson goes into talk to Trump about like, maybe we should pass a big housing bill,

get your name on it.

And Donald Trump says, Trump sold Speaker Mike Johnson a private conversation that this

week that no one gives a bleep about housing.

That's according to four sources who heard.

Do you think it's true?

Senator, that no one gives a bleep about housing?

No, I think everybody has a stake in this one, because housing is too high.

But what I really think this shows is you've got a president administration that's not

connected with the challenges that everyday Americans are dealing with every day.

And small businesses and family, farmer and sugar culture, and it goes right down the

list whether it's housing or whether it's health care or whether it's tariffs.

It doesn't really matter.

He thinks things are just going along swimmingly.

It might be because of his age or it might be because he just never goes out and reads

anything about what's happening in the real world.

And when you have somebody that disconnected from the economy, and I will tell you Chris,

I think the economy is working really, really well if you're Uber rich.

But if you're a Mar-a-Lago member or a Donald Trump government, if you're regular folks,

it's tough out there.

It's tough to pay the rent and buy the medicine and put the food on the table.

You know, your point there about the sort of confusion between what's the marginal voter

that got him elected versus the MAGA Corps?

It's perfect because Mark Dubowitz, who's a sort of big, Iran war kind of Neocon hawk

who supports the war, posted polling to knock down the idea that MAGA is splintering

on Iran.

Right?

The idea MAGA is splintering on Iran and then the polls.

And what the polls show is that MAGA Republicans are supportive of Iran by 90%, 88%, 85%.

This is then retweeted briefly by Caroline Levin and then unre-tweeted.

And the reason it's unre-treated is because if you look at the same polling, it shows support

for the war overall at like 41%.

Right.

So you have the White House press secretary bragging about the fact, well, who cares?

90% of our own people, not to be perfectly embodies like where their head is on this

stuff.

I don't seem to understand, I think, on a very fundamental level, that they are not president

of MAGA America.

They are not president.

I mean, they think they are.

I mean, they think they are.

But they be the notion that they are president of the entire United States that they have obligations

to people who didn't necessarily vote for them and that they have to be responsive to

the broad public in a real way seems to escape them entirely.

And I think the senator's point that the president seems disconnected from actual people.

You don't see him.

I was watching an old clip of Obama going to like five guys and like, find some burgers.

And it was fun and quaint and it was very nice.

But it was striking because you haven't seen a president do that in a decade.

Right.

I'm just going out with regular people and like, hanging out.

And this president in particular seems totally disconnected from actual ordinary people.

And he's totally ensconced in this gilded world, which I think he enjoys quite a bit.

The other concern I've been hearing.

I did not know how much fertilizer shipped through.

I'm admitting, well, if they're straight up or moves too.

Oh, oh really?

And particularly because of the sort of chemical requisites for it.

It's planting season and fertilizer prices have, you know, I'm just talking about oil.

But fertilizer prices have shot through the roof as well.

And this is after a period where farmers are getting really better.

Well, getting battered by the tariffs to begin with and now you're pumping energy prices

on top of which is a base element for the fertilizer.

Input costs have gone through the roof.

It's interesting.

He not only is not connected with regular folks, but many of the same folks that voted for

him and put him in office, he has had the most disdain for through his policies.

And agriculture is one of them.

I mean, farmers voted for him and really, really high percentages.

And as one farmer told me, you know, I didn't like Biden.

I didn't like that, dude, but I would didn't lose my farmer for Biden.

I'm going to lose my farm over these policies from Trump.

I mean, I have seen, you know, we've got farm foreclosure and we've got farm closing

data that is really pretty ominous.

Yes, it's horrible.

And more consolidation in agriculture is not good for food supply, not good for food security,

not good for rural America.

And quite honestly, hopefully the folks understand why this is the way it is.

Because of not because insects, not because of drought, not because of diseases,

because of bad policies coming right out of the administration.

Final last 15 seconds.

Do you think the argument that it's actually good oil prices are high is going to work?

Probably not.

No.

Highly doubtful.

I mean, at some level, I kind of sat back and was like, you almost have to admit.

I mean, you do, you got to give a little grudging credit.

Dr. Mel Bowie, John Tester, what a pleasure to have you both here.

Thank you.

Soon, because in a few short minutes, Jen Saki will be speaking to the Democratic Senate

candidate, James Salarico, he's the nominee in the great state of Texas, and we'll be

giving an exclusive interview.

We'll be right back.

That does it for all in.

You can catch us every week night at eight o'clock on MS now.

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