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Sam Stein takes on a series of bizarre Trump appearances, ranging from crude jokes and made-up stories to comments that may have revealed something far more serious. The pattern raises a bigger question: when the president speaks, how much of it is real?
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Hey, everybody, it's me, Sam Stein,
managing under the bulwark.
And I am joining you on Saturday morning
for Little League with the kids because, well,
to be frank, I don't really want to do this.
Donald Trump has been saying things that suggest,
and I'm not trying to be funny about this, that he's horny.
I'm dead serious.
There was a speech last night, a speech last night
that he gave to a Saudi investment fund,
a Saudi sovereign wealth fund that should be more accurate.
In which he had this peculiar little aside
where he went to the question and answer session.
And then suddenly he just decided, you know what?
I'm going to open this up to anything including sex.
Let's play the clip.
So I want to just thank everybody very much.
And I'm asked to take a few questions
and, unlike other politicians,
they would like the question screened.
I don't ask for screening of the questions.
You can ask me anything you want.
You can talk sex, you can do whatever the hell you want.
I'm here for you, whatever question you want.
Okay.
Well, look, the Saudi sovereign wealth fund
might not be the right form for that.
And you might be saying, Sam, well, whatever.
It's one instance, don't jump to conclusions.
He's just making a joke.
Surely you have to have a pattern
before you make an accusation like you did up top.
And I do have a pattern because not even like a day before that,
he called into Fox and Friends, the five.
They're very popular afternoon show.
And he was asked like a really serious question
by one of the hosts, Dana Brino,
about what is going on in Iran,
how we're getting information from that country,
if there is a humanitarian disaster unfolding,
we don't really have great insight into there
because internet access is limited.
There's obviously very limited media on the ground
if any at all.
And she wanted to know, does he have his finger on the pulse
about what's happening to the people of that country?
There's a real crisis happening here.
And this is what he said in response.
Do you have any insight as to how they are doing?
Do they have drinking water?
Do they have food?
Right, I do.
It's upsetting.
I do.
But first, do you remember when we had lunch years ago
in the base of Trump Tower,
when it was a brand new building?
It's a long time ago, yes.
A long time ago, you haven't changed.
Oh, that's changed.
Now I'm not allowed to say this.
It's the end of my political career,
you may be even better looking, okay?
I don't know what you're doing, but I will not say that.
I mean, come on, that's gross.
Also, he does this thing now where he says,
I don't know if people have noticed this,
but he thinks that he can just sort of say anything
he wants if he says, well, if I say this,
I'm gonna ruin my political career and then he says it.
It's not like you get out of jail free card
just because you preempted it by saying
you might ruin your political career, but he said it.
All right, so you're saying Sam, that's just two cases.
Like, get over it, obviously not a pattern.
But then the White House put out this graphic,
this is again, the back around here,
they're doing an event to talk about farmers
and look at this, only farm.
I mean, I give them credit because it's kind of funny,
but like, it is a little bit ridiculous
that they are just posting playoff of only fans like this.
They are just sexes on the mind at this White House
and among this president.
It's like a White House run by, you know,
14 or 15 year old boys with the commander
and chief being atop the gang.
So this has been a weird pattern and then you,
every now and then you'll see Trump say something about,
you know, it's good looking dudes and stuff like that
and you know, he gets a little bit weird about that.
He did that also at the Saudi side and wealth fund.
So he's talking about, you know,
the people that he associates with,
the cabinet that he's, you know, surrounded himself with
and he made this little admission.
Now, before we play the clip,
I think it's worth noting, he does this from time to time
where he kind of deliberately or inadvertently
absolutely roasts his own cabinet members
and humiliates them, but a couple of days ago
at one of these cabinet meetings,
he was sitting next to Pete Hegset,
the defense secretary and he talked,
in front of the entire cabinet in the press car
about how someone recently came up to him
and told him that appointing Pete Hegset
as defense secretary was a mistake.
Somebody came up to me yesterday and gave you a very hard time
said, you know, I made a mistake.
Pete Hegset is doing a good job.
So when I tell you who you're not even gonna believe
that he said Hegset, he gave you such a nasty hard time.
Pete Hegset is sitting there forced to endure it and laugh.
As Trump says, people are coming up to him telling him
that Pete was a bad choice for defense secretary.
So that's just like public humiliation.
This at the Saudi sovereign wealth fund event
is more of the genre of sort of indirect humiliation.
So here he's talking about how he doesn't like
to hang out with cool people.
You know, I've watched a lot of people, leaders,
great leaders, and you know, the one thing about sports
is you break it down into, you know,
two hour period, something nice.
You don't have to wait a lifetime to find out
if somebody a winner or a loser, you got a lot of losers.
Mostly losers, fortunately.
It's a good thing to have a lot of losers.
I always like to hang around with losers, actually,
because it makes me feel better.
I hate guys that are very, very successful
and you have to listen to their success stories.
I like people that like to listen to my success.
Oh, man.
Well, whatever.
That's what they get.
They get to be humiliated by this man time and again.
So this whole event was just kind of an odd,
weird Friday night, using from Donald Trump.
I'll note that he skipped the conservative
political action committee,
which is currently happening down in Texas.
That's that big yearly confab of Republican and conservatives.
It's apparently not going particularly well,
not exactly well attended,
some odd moments here and there.
Michael and Del was served a lawsuit bizarrely enough.
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But Trump has always spoken there.
He skipped it this year and instead did this
with the Saudi sovereign wealth fund.
I think the takeaway is that when you put a lot of money
into Trump enterprises,
you get a speech from the president
and maybe the organizers of the CPAC,
Matt Schlapp needs to up his game
and put more money into some Trump packs,
somewhere or some crypto venture that Trump
sons are doing, but that's for another place.
This was sort of a classic Trump speech.
The weave, the sort of meandering,
the digs at people who we associate
with the kind of Borscht belt humor.
And of course, the what appears to be
entirely fabricated stories meant to impress people
in the audience, basically concocting meetings
that he had or friendships that he had
that clearly didn't exist.
So again, this is a pattern here.
So a couple days ago and again at the White House,
who's telling this weird meandering story
about those Sharpie pens that he loves to sign his bills with
because the lacking is so profound and it works so well.
So he's going on and on about these Sharpies,
which he says he specifically and individually
negotiated with some Sharpie CEO or something like that.
That's what I call the guy.
I said, I'd like to use your pen,
but I can't have a great thing with a big S on it.
Same Sharpie.
He didn't want the $1,000 White House pen.
He wanted the Sharpie because the Sharpie looks good.
Again, if your uncle was talking about Sharpies
in this way, you'd be like, man, get this man,
a little help and maybe a pencil.
But Trump was talking and this is,
I'm just going to quote from this piece
that you see up there.
This is Trump.
I call the guy said, I'd like to use your pen,
but I can't have a great thing with a big S on it saying Sharpie
as I'm signing a $1 trillion airplane contract
to buy brand new fighter jets.
And Trump, you know, tend to be the CEO says,
he says, well, I can make it nicer.
I said, what can you do?
He said, I'll paint it black.
I said, that's nice.
And then it just went on and on and on.
Anyways, the post as you see,
they called up Sharpie and they presented them with a transcript.
And this is what their Port of Spokesperson
for Sharpie maker, Newell, brands said
it did not occur.
Quote, we don't have any information
about the conversation described the spokesperson said,
we're proud to be a beloved brand trusted by so many globally.
And that's true.
I trust to Sharpie.
You know what you're going to get.
It's a good brand, but, you know,
I didn't make up an negotiation with the CEO of Sharpie either.
So what does this have to do with the sovereign wealth fund speech?
Well, again, he talks about these made up things.
People that win, it's much easier to lead
when you're successful and you win.
You know, Vince Lombardi was a very tough person.
A very tough football coach.
He was sort of a violent guy, actually.
I know him.
Did he know him?
Well, the ex-Washington Post reporter Paul Varie said,
there's no record of Trump ever meeting Lombardi.
Lombardi died in 1970 at 57.
Trump was 24 just out of college at the time.
And Trump has previously said, quote,
we would have been great friends,
which suggests they never actually met.
Okay, it's a small thing.
Not really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things,
but there's like these little sort of white lies
that just add up.
And for no other reason than to just make himself seem bigger,
I guess, I don't know.
Not a big deal, but it just kind of grates at you
because you'd like to know that the words coming out of the mouth,
the president actually have some meaning and some truth to them.
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All right, that brings me to the serious stuff.
So we've been joking around about all the weird things
that Trump said last night,
but there were two things that really stood out
from the speech that mattered.
And the first was this where Trump was talking about NATO.
Now, the backstory here before we play the video is that
Trump's just mad at NATO and has been for a while
for frankly decades, but as president,
he's been really vicious towards NATO.
It doesn't think that the countries who are in NATO
are doing their fair share to contribute to collective defense.
He thinks that this is some sort of collective venture
where you put in money and everyone shares
the sort of defense budget.
That's not how it really works, obviously,
but he wants the NATO countries to spend more
of their GDP on defense.
They have upped it, but there's been disagreements obviously
about what's happening in Ukraine and so on and so forth.
It's really particularly problematic now
because Trump wants NATO countries to help with the around
more that he started without consultation
with the NATO countries.
He wants them to come and open the strait of her moves with them
because they get a lot of oil through there,
even though he has simultaneously said he can open it himself
and also that it doesn't matter if it's closed
because the U.S. doesn't really get, it's all through there.
It's boiling over and it's increasingly
creating problematic rhetoric from the president
including this last night.
Because we spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year
on NATO, hundreds of protecting them.
And we would have always been there for them,
but now based on their actions,
I guess we don't have to be, do we?
Is it president?
That sounds like a breaking story, yes, sir.
Is that breaking news?
I think we just have breaking news.
But that's the fact.
I've been saying that why would we be there for them
if they're not there for us?
They weren't there for us.
Well, they were there for us.
The only time Article 5 has been evoked is after 9-11.
Everyone knows this.
He knows this.
It's silly.
But to tell you how he's like,
ooh, breaking news.
Like this is all gay or a negotiating boy.
And he knows it and he's trying to create controversy
and drama, but obviously this is serious stuff, right?
Like I suspect without any insider knowledge
that NATO may have been more willing to come
to our assistance currently in the around war.
If we hadn't spent months threatening to invade Greenland,
thereby taking over territory that's associated
with the NATO country, just a small lunch.
But that's just me.
So that was obviously quite problematic.
We don't want to be, I don't know, just blowing up NATO,
that seems like it could have some ripple effects,
geopolitically.
And then there was this last one,
which kind of went under the radar a little bit,
but I think is, well, it raises a lot of questions.
Let's put it that way.
So you might remember this a couple of days ago,
maybe a week ago, time is just honestly
flat-circle at this point.
There was a fire aboard the aircraft carrier Gerald R4.
Now, the carrier had been at sea for like 10 months.
Apparently it had been a slog,
and they were ready to get out of there.
But the reports were that there was a laundry fire,
or a fire in laundry room, I want to say, or a laundry area.
I don't want to be precise here.
The time's called an a laundry area.
And according to the times, it took more than 30 hours
for sailors to put out the fire aboard the aircraft carrier.
And according to the times, more than 600 sailors
and crew members had lost their beds,
and have since been bunking down on floors and tables.
According to the US military,
as central command, two sailors received treatment
for non-life-threatening injuries.
And people on the ship reported
that dozens of service members suffered smoke inhalation.
So this was like a kind of peculiar story, right?
Like, that seems like a pretty wild fire
on an aircraft carrier to take that long to put out
and to damage that much.
Now, I don't know anything about putting a fire
as an aircraft carrier, so whatever.
It's possible that it's totally normal,
but it did seem peculiar at the time.
And then just in the course of his free associations last night,
Trump lets this slip.
We knew there was a problem when we noticed
that one o'clock in the morning,
every 32 seconds, another airplane, a very fast plane,
was coming off the deck of an aircraft carrier.
That's actually the biggest aircraft carrier in the world.
And every 32 seconds, boom, boom, boom.
And it was 1 o'clock in the morning, so he said, okay.
I think we were in trouble,
but they were ready for us, Johnny.
And we were ready.
He said, we were ready.
And then they hit us,
and they came from 17 different angles.
They were here, they were there.
They were, we ran for our lives, it was over.
Okay, they hit us is what he said.
He's clearly talking about the Gerald Ford aircraft carrier.
I don't know how else you can listen to that
and not take away the conclusion
that this was not a laundry fire, that we were hit.
Again, we don't know because this could also just be
Trump fabricating an entire story,
which brings me back to my earlier point.
When you have a president who just makes things up
on the fly like this,
it becomes hard to know when he tells serious stories
what is an actual reality and what is just his imagination.
But in this case,
it doesn't make total sense that he would, I don't know,
dramatize this in that direction, right?
Acknowledging that we were hit by the Iranians,
that this ship was actually damaged
not by a laundry room fire, but by enemy fire.
It definitely raises some questions
and I'm gonna be looking to see if the Pentagon correspondents
who admittedly are now annexed in some far away room
because Pete Hexeth doesn't like having
adversarial press near him.
I'm gonna be curious to see if they get to the bottom
of this one because it seemed a little bit suspicious
when it was initially reported on March 16th or so
and now Trump's basically said,
yeah, that was a cover story,
which leads me to this and I'll conclude with this.
The way he's sort of flippantly talking about this
is kind of bizarre, right?
We were under fire, we were running for our lives,
planes were being tossed off the ship one in the morning,
every 30 seconds and we thought it was over.
Like this doesn't seem like a game,
but he's treating it like one.
And these stories that he's telling over and over again,
the one emotion that seems totally opt-in
from his retelling of them is, you know,
subreness or, you know, empathy or a sense of the stakes,
right?
He's just laughing and in between telling little
a size about meeting Vince Lombardi and tossing,
hey, you can ask me about sex.
Hey, Dana Prina, remember when we had lunch,
you're much prettier now.
Like there's just not really a level of sobriety here
that you would expect considering how poorly things are going
and even your knowledge is that.
So I don't know, I watched that entire thing last night
and I came away wondering what is going on
inside this administration.
Why they feel like they're, you know,
it's cool to post only farm schemes
and the president to talk about sex
and make up stories of Vince Lombardi like,
I just feel like this is just not the right time for that.
But that's just me.
Maybe I'm just too serious about this stuff.
Anyways, it's Saturday.
I got stuff to do.
I appreciate you listening to me.
Hope this was a helpful recap of a bizarre moment
from last night.
But frankly, we have so many bizarre moments.
We'll probably end up doing this in a couple days again.
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