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We've been lied to, you know, for a long time, we were told that we had to choose between having a material success or having a family.

These people have no joy.

You actually don't want to be around many leftists today because they're so angry all the time.

If we're going to beat the left, we got out and populate them while they're aborting their babies, let's make many of our own.

They want to mutilate children's genitals like, you don't want to be around people like that.

They wanted to silence all of us when they shot and killed Charlie Kirk.

That was their goal. That was their mission.

They will bring back cancel culture if they can.

They will bring back the lies that will, you know, appeal to the emotions of young people.

Now is Gen Z, or Gen Z, as you call it in Britain, the final nail in the coffin of Western values.

Or are they the unexpected reinforcements we've all been waiting for?

Today, conservative firebrand and host of the CJ Pearson show, CJ Pearson joins us in the studio to discuss all of that.

Your generation has a pretty, I'm a millennial and we got it pretty bad.

But you guys have been accused of being, you know, work pace next that have no connection to Western values.

And frankly, what's the whole thing burn?

What's the case with an offense?

Well, we're working hard to beat those allegations there.

Thank you so much for having me.

Thanks for joining us.

You know, I've got to tell you, there's been some promising, you know, dad that's come out recently.

You know, the 2024 election at the honor of serving as the co-chair of the R&C Advisory Council.

And what we saw during our time on the campaign is a swing among, especially young men.

We saw a 20 point swing among voters 18 to 30 towards President Trump in a way that was almost unprecedented for Republican candidate,

especially one of his age from his generation to connect with young people in that way.

But the way the president was able to do it was he reached young people where they are.

He hit the podcast circuit.

He actually talked about the issues that were on our minds, things like job security, economic opportunity.

Those were the things that I think really captivated Gen Z.

When you compared it to Kamala Harris' message, you're just vote for me because I'm a black woman.

I hate Beyonce.

It was Beyonce and Cardi B, but now we've got Nikki.

So we're doing it far better.

You know, it just didn't resonate in that same way.

And so I think that there's, you know, a little bit of a pendulum swing that we're seeing right now,

when you have people like Mamdani who is rising, who's talking a lot about affordability and all those things.

And I think that Gen Z is a generation that's desperately in search of its own political identity.

I think that we're one of which that is drawn towards populism, drawn towards the anti-establishment fervor

that propelled both Mamdani and President Trump into their respective offices.

But I think that at the end of the day, what we know to be true is that socialism does not work.

And so I think that this is natural for us to see these ebbs and these flows among the generations they come of age.

It happened with me even growing up, you know, growing up in a Democrat household.

I was surrounded by very different political beliefs.

But eventually I realized socialism doesn't work.

Someone has to pay for something.

There's no such thing as free in this nation.

And I think that a lot of young people are coming to that realization as well.

Are they though?

Because, you know, Ronald Reagan says, you know, this term has to be fought once a generation.

And the battle is never more than a few years away.

But does your generation understand the consequences of socialism?

When you've got, you know, you say that younger Gen X, Gen Z men were moved tilted towards Trump.

Mamdani was handed the keys of city hall in New York by college educated women

who had lived in New York for fewer than five years, some of them in most of them in two years.

You know, metropolitan liberal educated women, you know, don't seem to know the consequences of socialism

because they're willing to vote for it.

And we're seeing the same thing in the United Kingdom with the rise of the green parties.

A youthful led, a youthful party.

Jeremy Corbyn was remarkably bizarrely popular in the United Kingdom,

despite being hard lefty.

And, you know, young people, you know, were cheering his name at Glastonbury.

And do they know this?

Are they aware?

Because it feels to me that, you know, your sort of articulate and thoughtful views are in the minority.

I would say that I think that what does that say about the state of higher education?

Not only here in the United States, but around the world as you point out, right?

The fact that you have college-educated people who are supposed to be some of the most educated amongst us,

who cannot come to the conclusion that socialism does not work after example, after example, after example,

and are voting this way because they feel bad and they're led by their emotions and not by their logic,

I think that's a lot more concerning.

But I think what's also interesting to me is the way in which its coalition has changed.

For a long time, it was Democrats who, you know, prided themselves on being the party of the working man and woman.

And they were the party of the everyday American or whatever it may be.

And it was Republicans that were cast off as the, you know, the country club,

Republicans, the country club conservatives.

Now that's completely gone in the other direction.

It's President Trump who's talking about the plight of blue collar Americans in this country.

It's President Trump who's calling for, you know, credit card junk fees to be capped in all these things.

It's this President who's talking about that, and ironically enough, it's Elizabeth Warren,

who stood during the State of the Union last week for President Trump when he said,

let's go after stock traders and all of these things while many other Democrats sat on their hands

because they don't like that type of accountability.

They want to run on it when they don't believe it's actually going to ever happen.

But now they have a President who actually is saying, let's actually serve the American people.

Let's make the government work for the people that they were sent to represent.

And now all of a sudden, they're not as energized by that sort of proposal.

And so I think it really goes back to our colleges.

I think all too often in this country, at least from my experience,

you have suited to go to college, loving America, but leave college, hating America.

But also too, let's, you know, break this down geographically.

What we saw during, you know, post-October 7th is you saw all of these kids at Columbia, at Princeton,

however, who were actively praising Hamas.

And the reason they were doing it is they were so ashamed of their privilege.

They were so ashamed of being white.

They were so ashamed of having an Ivy League education.

But if you went down south,

I would just go to the world of Alabama.

You went to UNC Chapel Hill.

We were at Ole Miss last summer.

And there's a bit of a round now going on,

because a lot of the Minnesota siblings are saying,

we don't want these Jersey kids down here.

We don't want these Northerners down there.

You know, but if there is a movement of people that want to actually escape,

there's Norther and Ivy League schools,

and they don't want any of that work crap.

They want to go to a traditional university and, you know,

and that loves its country, loves its flag, and loves its God.

Yeah, right? So...

And loves their football team.

And loves their football team.

Really, really like their football team.

But like, you know, and they kind of was really interested

because they were saying, like, it's fine, come.

Yeah. You can come, but don't bring liberal values.

Don't bring your politics.

Yeah. And it's astonishing.

So, on that progressive front is...

Love Him or hate Him.

Donald Trump has dominated in Biden's side.

He has dominated politics in America for the last 11 years.

Yeah.

It has been the Trump show for 11 years.

That is the 11 years at which the 21-year-old now

has been, you know, been different from being 10 and being a voter, right?

How much is this progressive generation?

You know, the most progressive generation.

How much of it is counterculture?

Of actually, it's a backlash against authority

which all kind of kids go through, right?

Yeah. Because the right have been an ascendancy

for most of that time.

The Republicans have been in the White House for most of that time.

How much of it is just a phase?

And how much of it is actually a darker sort of journey?

Yeah, I think it goes back to that old adage, right?

That when you're young and if you're a Republican,

you have no heart.

Yeah.

If you're old and you're a Democrat, you have no brain.

And I think that those growing pains are natural

that one we're seeing.

But what I'll say is that I actually think it's conservatism

and populism towards President Trump

that's actually the new counterculture.

I think that it's actually become cool now

to be a conservative in a way that it wasn't before.

Because I think that these people have no joy.

You actually don't want to be around many leftists today

because they're so angry all the time.

They hate America.

They want to mutilate children's genitals.

Like, you don't want to be around people like that.

And it's so interesting to me because when you actually look at

these gatherings of young people and you compare

the No Kings protest to some of the events

that we've had in DC for young conservatives

that I've put together, you look at the difference in the crowd.

You see a bunch of old hippies reliving their anti-Vietnam war days.

And then you compare that to a bunch of young people

who are healthy, handsome, hot, confident.

What is your favorite is your famous New York magazine cover.

One of the believers, one of your events

that had young people looking happy and smiling.

And the reaction to the left is like, why are they smiling?

They've done this well.

And if you just put that picture up, compared to, you know,

say the New No Kings or the streets of Minnesota or New Name it,

you know the crowd, you can find them, you can find them

four blocks from here outside, butterworth screaming,

screaming at anyone that dares to drink.

We'll drink and go for a drink and a burger

and a restaurant that is associated with the right.

And it's in that contrast.

But what worries me is we can probably paste it over this.

So I don't look ridiculous trying to draw it.

But the graph in which you reach that moment,

the tipping point that actually you have a family,

you have, you have a mortgage.

You start to pay significant amount of tax.

And you start to tilt conservative.

That age is getting, and this has happened to be

an happening for the last 20 years.

That age is getting older and older and older and older.

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I'm getting married later.

Yeah.

Having children later?

The, um, the, you know, it's 2008.

It's been harder to find a well-paying job at a graduate level.

Um, and actually the battle is, you know,

it's the assumption that people will automatically

get older and flip to the right.

It's actually kind of in play.

And if you look at people and go,

why would you vote for Mandami for New York

because they feel they have no stake in the New York dream?

Yeah.

The American dream.

How important is it?

I mean, it's all very well for young people to, you know,

do it on a cultural level,

but policy makers need to wake up to this fact that

there's a whole generation of people

that just don't feel engaged.

Why would you fight for a system

you have no stake in?

Yeah, you're exactly right.

And I think it's important that we as conservatives

don't seed entire issues to the left.

There is no reason not only liberals in this country

progresses in this country should be talking

about affordability.

Uh, because I think there are a lot of young people

who feel as if, uh, they are in disarray

because they believe that they'll never able

to be able to own a home in this country.

They'll never be able to actually

reap the full value of the college degree that they were told

they must have.

They were going to be successful in this country.

And so I think that there were a lot of lies

and myths that we were told growing up in this nation,

that we have come to know, uh,

and kind of a little bit of a painful way

are just simply not true.

And so I think that as conservatives,

we have to realize that not everything is about

giving young people a handout.

But I think that we also, I think older generations

have to come to the terms with the fact that like,

there was this entire push towards,

you know, the idea that college would be the end all be all.

It would solve all of your problems.

There was also this push that, you know,

owning a home is now like the cornerstone

of the American dream, or it was for them.

But when we come of age,

and now we're at the age where we can buy a home,

and we realize it's out of reach,

now we feel as if, as you said,

that that simply thing is no longer attainable for us, right?

And so I think that's the worry for me,

is that oftentimes,

that sometimes consumers,

we feel as if by simply engaging on certain issues

or genre of issues,

that we're playing the left's game.

But we shouldn't do that.

And I think that the only way to beat bad ideas

is better ideas,

and our ideas are better.

So let's be confident in them,

and let's let them win the debt.

I mean, at the end of the day,

it's wages and security and debt, right?

If you can, it's not an American,

a uniquely American issue,

that college debt, you know,

people of graduate, as you exactly say,

you saddle yourself in all this debt,

then you can't get the graduate jobs that you would deserve.

Yeah.

Economy aside, though, you know,

the West was also built on strong economic values,

but faith and family,

birth rates declining,

the only growing religion in the United States

right now is Islam.

Well, how does the TikTok generation

who has been raised on a complete enatomer

to those two things of faith and family?

How do you win those guys back?

We've been lied to.

You know, for a long time,

we were told that we had to choose

between having material success

or having a family.

And what I'll tell you is that,

for my experience growing up

and knowing a lot of successful people,

they told me that they didn't really actually enjoy

their success,

they really had someone to share it with,

whether that was a wife or a husband

or children that they brought into this world.

And I think that that's important for us

to actually go to young people and say

that you do not have to choose.

You truly can be successful

and have the family of your dreams.

And it will mean more.

And I really believe that once we start seeing

those families come about,

and I think that we see the message

of folks like Charlie Kirk come to fruition

where we are actually encouraging young people

to make more babies.

I think that is more actually see this coming of age

and this rising maturity

that will precipitate the sort of right leaning,

I think, natural progression

that we've seen over the course of the past few years.

I think that America that is not rooted

under the idea that we are one nation under God

is a nation that's just completely

disroered from anything.

And so I think that we need to be vigilant

and bring us back into that core North Star

because if we don't,

I think we really do run the risk

of not just losing our country,

but the very identity of the West as a whole.

Because there's all really no values.

Yeah, well struck me.

I've lived here now for coming on eight months.

And I know we're in DC at a time

when the, you know, the republicans are in the administration.

It's a more conservative town

than it might otherwise normally be.

Yes, there's lots of lefties here,

but there's also a lot of conservatives.

And people do get married much younger here.

People do.

It's almost like, I don't know how we got into position in the West,

especially in Britain that, yeah,

as you say, that's a little promise of,

you know, consumer driven,

you can have it all, double income,

no kids, don't worry about that.

Just go pick up all day.

Go pick up all day and, you know,

and go to Dubai and take selfies.

Yeah.

That sort of, that sort of promise is,

I think here, there's,

America is almost sort of gone back a little bit

in terms of actually having a wife and a kid's

and that's Charlie Kirk says, you know,

and making lots of babies.

It is almost a sort of counter-cultural.

It's quite, what's quite rebellious?

That's just gone, stop.

Why do you think that's happened in America

when it hasn't happened in Australia and Canada

and the United Kingdom?

I think in America, I think that the very values

that made America America,

the foundational traditional values

are still very prevalent in the South

to go back to that, right?

And I think that in many ways as we see,

you know, what you're seeing in D.C.,

when I was first getting involved in politics,

many people said that under every Republican administration,

Washington, D.C., finally feels like a southern city again.

Yeah.

They're such a really good way.

Yeah, and so I think what you're seeing with, you know,

younger marriages and people having these children,

you know, I know people who are like 26

and have on their second kid,

which is incredible to see.

And I've always said, if we're going to beat the left,

we've got to out-populate them

while they're aborting their babies,

let's make many of our own.

And so I think that what we're seeing

is that actually people embracing the fact

that this geographical takeover,

which has been kind of cool to see

as a son of the South personally,

I love to see it.

I think if we make America like Georgia, Alabama,

I think that would be in America

that's stronger than ever before.

And I think internationally, what we've also seen too

is just the impacts of mass migration, you know,

in Europe, which is so unfortunate

because it's like, they're not having babies.

They're having many, many babies in there.

Yeah, the birth of the birth of the birth rate

of the Muslim population in the United Kingdom

is growing, and the mess of it's declining.

Yeah, and there's only a third every 10 years.

Yeah, and they're remaking the identity

of that country entirely.

And so that's the thing that I think is very worrisome to me.

And fortunately, we have it to a lesser extent

here in the United States.

But particularly in Europe, it's like,

okay, you're not having the babies

and you're having all these people

who don't share your values,

who don't share your culture,

who don't share their appreciation

for your country's history,

who are then replacing your entire population.

Eventually, you will not have a country

that you recognize in any way whatsoever.

As a young man, my father younger than me,

are you hopeful that America is,

I think working up in time is the wrong expression,

but not past the point of no return.

The sort of the counter revolution has begun.

You know, I'm definitely hopeful,

because when I see, you know,

after the following, or after the death of Charlie Kirk,

what we saw, there were so many of my friends

who were completely politically apathetic,

who were completely just disinterested

in getting involved in that world at all,

who said, I need to get involved.

I need to fight for my future.

If I don't, then I'm just letting them win.

They wanted to silence all of us

when they shot and killed Charlie Kirk.

That was their goal. That was their mission.

And I think his death brought so many young people

to the fight who otherwise would not have been.

I think things like that give me hope.

But I also think, too,

is that to use another ragan quote,

he said that freedom is just a generation away from extinction.

And I think that that has always been a challenge.

There's always been something

that we have to remind ourselves of.

And so when I think about those election results

in 2024, where we saw such an uptick in support,

among young voters towards President Trump,

I always told people, we can't rest in our laurels

when it comes to this. We have to continue to be vigilant,

continue to outwork the left,

continue to outwork the competition.

Because if given the opportunity,

they will bring back cancel culture if they can.

They will bring back the lies that will, you know,

appeal to the emotions of young people

and not their brains and certainly not

do anything materially to improve their lives

in any way whatsoever.

The only way that we can beat them

is again, by presenting our ideas direct to consumer.

And that means going to college campuses,

that means being vigilant on social media,

getting on TikTok,

getting on all these different platforms

and reaching young people where they are.

We can't just go on talk radio

and hope that, you know, the parents of these kids

tell them, hey, like, this is what I heard on the radio today,

this is what you should be doing.

Is the administration doing enough?

I mean, it came in, you know,

very quickly, you know, completely different from 2016.

It was ready to go 200, you know, executive orders.

But in terms of legislating, in terms of actually

unpicking the cultural sort of dominance of the left,

it feels to me like they're sort of running out of puff a little bit.

And actually when the left, when the left get into power,

they don't just, you know, they, you know,

they make it very hard to unpick what they do.

They put their people in deep into institutions

across not just from politics, but cultural institutions as well.

And then actually the right come in and, you know,

they're, yes, they may win an election,

but actually can't do anything.

And as you say, they're happily reverse all of this

and given the can.

And, you know, but take from, you know, education, for example,

what is it?

What is being done while you have the control,

the control levers to stop all this workmanship in the curriculum,

to unpick apart what what what what young people are being taught

about, you know, cultural is especially in Britain as well,

you know, about to be essentially ashamed about,

about heritage in our past.

What is it?

What is actually really being done to make sure this isn't just a,

you know, a one-off blip of a great, we're in power,

but actually, what do you, what do you do to make this a legacy?

Yeah, you're exactly right.

And, you know, one thing I've always given a lot of credit

to the Democrats for is they play for keeps.

Yeah, I think that's one thing that we need to learn on the right.

I look at Congress and I look at the fact that they're always

on vacation, it seems, they're never in town.

I look at the fact that they take every opportunity to, you know,

pass these meaningless resolutions, they call the messaging bills.

Yeah.

They don't actually achieve anything.

They know it won't pass.

They know it won't get, you know,

actually, you know, codified into law.

And I look at a president who works his ass off every single day,

who has energy probably more than me on 23.

He puts me, he's exhausting to cover.

He puts me to shame.

It's incredible to see, but the only way that the incredible policies

that he's, you know, put into place via executive order

will actually, you know, outlast his administration

is that they are codified by our Congress.

And so, I think that Congress has to pick up the slack.

They need to pick up the pace.

You look at things like the Save American Act,

which is for some reason has not passed the idea

that we are just simply saying that we should not have

illegal aliens voting in this country is somehow

politically an opportune for the Senate to get what it says.

It's right.

We haven't got the first guest to sit in that chair

and say this about the sort of lethargic.

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Caucus, so that doesn't seem to want to take any rest.

They don't want to seem to have these battles.

They just want to, you know,

it's kind of got a death wish really,

because you can carry on doing nothing.

And then what is the justification?

Do you have to vote for them to keep the house in rhythm?

No, you're exactly right.

And at the end of the day, it's like if we're talking

on the media frames and it's okay if we lose the house,

you know, it's it's a rebuke of President Trump's policies

administration.

No, we actually haven't seen a lot of his policies

pass an implement.

Well, pop the big beautiful bill.

Yeah, there's nothing.

There's nothing around.

Not until, yeah, that's here.

And so you look at all of that.

It does concern me that this Congress is not

moved fast enough to actually bring into fruition.

May the policies that President Trump ran on.

And I think that we will see the consequences of that come

November if they do not write this ship in that way.

But it is troubling and it goes back to the idea that

it's not just simply enough to elect Republicans in this country.

If you do elect conservatives who are on board with the President's

agenda, then we have many opportunities to do that coming up,

whether it's in Texas and the upcoming runoff for U.S. Senate there.

There will be some other racers across the country

that I think that it's going to be a great opportunity to put some

tried and, you know, true allies of President Trump

in those offices, Senate seats in North Carolina,

Georgia, Ohio, up and down the ballot.

What are your objections for November?

I mean, if it was held tomorrow, it would look pretty grim

for the Republicans, I think.

Obviously, the situation in Iran

is dividing opinion. Young people particularly seem to be against it.

It's a really interesting spirit, actually, that the older generations seem more

completely, all right, if America's going to do this, we'll back them.

Whereas young people, again, on that, on that, on that generation of lines,

seem pretty hostile to what's happened.

Yeah, I think for young people, we just want a clear objective.

We want to know what is our mission. How does it serve as America's interest?

And you're going to send us to put...

Yeah, I know we're going to be the ones who send us to fix it.

Exactly that, because I think we grew up, you know, post-9-11,

where we saw many people, you know, a little older, who were, you know,

millennials about, you know, older brothers, older cousins,

who went off to fight a war that seemed never ending,

and again, had a shifting objective every time you asked about,

why are we there? Why are we still fighting?

What is the end goal?

And I think that's still lingers in our minds.

And so, when I think about, you know, why there is a generational divide on this issue,

it's in large part because of that.

We want clarity on this.

I think that we completely support the idea of a nation that governs,

you know, with the ideology of peace-street strength as our North Star.

And I think that if you look at the reception that actually President Trump got,

when we went into Venezuela and kidnapped Maduro,

young people loved it. They were like, this is the badass Americans,

sort of, might and power.

I thought he was going to bring him out at one point at the stage of the year.

Right, no, that would have been incredible.

In the Nike traction.

Yeah, in the Nike tech.

With the headphones on, the glasses on.

People love that.

But I think that what we saw with Venezuela was that we were in and out.

That was that.

And we were very clear about what we wanted.

We were going to take back our oil,

and we were going to, like, write that, you know, write that.

Yeah, that's like success is popular, right?

It's funny, you know, the very same people.

The very same people who have been, you know,

on streaming all day and tweeting, saying how terrible it is that, you know,

that President Trump's, you know, just betrayed his mega base and dragged us into another war.

And then the department for war released a video of a US submarine sinking,

sinking a, sinking a frigate for the first time in the torpedo since Second World War.

You know, we did it a few times in the 80s.

And suddenly, then, whoa, this is awesome.

Yeah, something like, whoa, what are you doing with Maduro?

Then this becomes as much iconic.

Yeah, coming.

When war goes well, people come round to it, right?

Exactly.

And I think what I've also learned, and I think what many people in the media are to learn,

is like, don't bet against his president.

You know, he's done a lot of impossible things that many other presidents,

previous to him, had tried, whether it's Brokering Peas between his own and the Atola for one.

Yeah, doing that.

You know, and then Brokering Peas between Israel and Hamas,

securing the release of all those American hostages.

I think that's an incredible thing that he's there's a lot of credit for.

But again, under Joe Biden, we were told that that would be impossible.

Under President Trump, we were told that it was unseemly and would be impossible.

He got it done.

This is a president who manages when his back against his back is against the wall,

he figures it out, and he creates a deal.

It's the art of the deal, truly, right?

And I think that I'm not going to bet against him.

I think that he said that he wants 30 days to see this through.

I think his track record is one of which that you can safely bet on.

Donald Trump is a remarkably unique figure.

Maggie is Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is Maggie, I think, in time.

You take him out of the movement.

Actually, he has to be bringing this kind of full circle to our conversation.

Actually, you talked about his ability to reach different voters, younger voters,

in a way that other politicians do, can't.

You remove him, and constitutionally, you do have to remove him from the table in three years' time.

Is there anyone you see now who you think will be able to have that secret source,

to bring that magic?

Because for all of his successes and benefits of JD Vance,

he hasn't got the charisma of Donald Trump.

Marco Rubio is having a great year, but at the end of the day,

go back to 2015 and watch that primary.

He just doesn't have that ability to unite people in that same way,

and excite people in the same way, and crucially get them to the ballot box.

Yeah.

Where does the conservative movement, the sort of Gen X,

sorry, Gen Z, I have to tell you about Gen X.

Gen Z, who's their load star?

Who's their next person?

Going obviously, as you talk about Charlie Kirk,

was obviously being lined up as a future president,

discussed as a future president.

Who's left on the right?

You know, I think JD Vance and Marco Rubio will grow a lot from now until 2028,

and I think that if you look at Marco Rubio from 2015 to now,

he's grown remarkably, and is just, you know,

I think is very personable, very charismatic.

Again, going back to Maduro, that video of him at Mar-a-Lago,

and he's singing along to Fireball,

the amount of memes that came out of that is also what propelled President Trump?

And to say, the memes about Marco are remarkably positive,

compared to the memes about JD Vance.

They're interesting.

There's an interesting contrast there,

but I think JD's credit, he leans into it.

And he only says he can't ask you.

He leans into it.

You have no other option than to, a bit of self-deprecation.

But you look at other politicians,

they would have no idea how to handle something like that.

They would ask for the Halloween costume,

and dressing up as the, as the, who is Jesus like me?

Yeah, yeah.

Other politicians would absolutely crash out over something like that.

But I think he, you know, being younger too,

like just understands kind of how the internet works.

But I think it'll be Marco or JD.

I think, Marco's had a great year.

I think what will be important for Marco Rubio

is being able to communicate a domestic agenda.

That will be really critical.

And I think that obviously,

a lot of foreign policy wins under his belt.

But when you talk about young people in Gen Z,

we actually really do want to know,

is like, how are we making the lives of Americans better?

Because it applies to every part of our lives.

You know, there's a lot of my friends right now

who are having a tough time in the job market.

Who, you know, again, got these very expensive degrees.

We're promised, you know, the world and everything else.

And now we're struggling to find a, a good paying job.

I mean, it still pays a lot of time.

Sounded in, in debt as well.

How important is it?

I don't know.

Is he 42 if we three now?

Well, it's how important you think it would be

to have a young president?

I think it's super important.

Because I think that he understands,

number one, I think the burden of the consequences

of the decisions that he's making today,

in a way that someone who is far older just may not, right?

You know, that's often times in my criticism

of members of Congress and Congress the whole,

being a retirement home is that they pass these laws,

they pass these bills,

and they don't even really read,

and they don't really have to.

Because they realize that they'll be dead and gone

before they actually have to reap the consequences

of the very thing that they have pushed into our laws.

And so, I think a young president would be great.

I think it would be an aspirational moment for our country.

And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

Creating a role model for America's young people.

Yeah, go out and have a young family.

And you can still run the free world

and get things done.

And still have a few bills, right?

Right.

Right.

It's shaping up to be, but I mean, I think that,

I think that Ruby had told that,

it's not actually fair, just before Christmas,

I think it was, that if JD runs,

he'll be the nominee and we'll back him.

But I'll move a bit of wriggle in there.

Yeah, it does feel to me like that's shaping up for a primary now.

I think there definitely will be a primary.

I don't think that, I think with JD being young

and Mark Rubio being young,

I think that if, let's say JD were to wed the general,

he's going to be president until, you know, what, 20, 20, 30, six,

right?

So it's like, would you really want to shut yourself out

for that long if you feel like this is your opportunity

to go and do it?

So I think there will be a lot of people who throw their,

you know, hat in the ring as Tucker Carlson going to run,

you know, maybe he could, maybe you will.

Wow.

You never know.

So we'll see.

What do you think?

I'm not sharing that right, I'll get me.

Yeah.

There we go.

But who would you think, who do you think, I mean,

you can see it shaping up now.

Yeah.

And the JD is putting a bit of distance

and for himself from the Iran strikes,

he's been tweeting a few times,

and we need to be focusing on the home front.

He knows that Rubio's, you know,

Rubio's the one sitting at the hand of the king

in Mar-a-Lago, right?

He's, you know, he's the one there at the center.

President Trump, I think, said on Earth,

was one not long ago, but he's gagging with reporters.

He always thought he knew which way round it would be.

Those two are going to be the ticket,

but which way round it would be.

He wasn't so sure.

Do you think Rubio could be balanced in primary?

I think it'll be interesting.

I think it depends on how a lot of these, you know,

foreign policy challenges that we're working

to right now shape out.

But I think it'll be interesting

and spirited race altogether.

I think a lot.

But I think there's, I wouldn't say rhinos are such,

but there's more traditional Reaganite, perhaps,

wing of the party.

They'd love to see me, but they feel like

they kind of half got their party back, right?

I think the string coalition of voters

that he's able to assemble,

I think that has macro credentials

have obviously been bolstered in a way

that they weren't.

It brings the Hispanic vote in a way that, you know,

speaks Spanish and all those things.

Ted Cruz, you can see Spanish.

So, you know, Cruz will probably get in the race as well.

But I think that when you're looking at who's race

it really is to lose.

It's either JD's or it's Marco Rubio's.

And for me, you know, I think both of them

are really formidable candidates.

I think that right now, if I were a betting man,

I would have to say that, you know,

Marco Rubio is having a really, really good moment right now.

Is anyone on the left that you look at?

I think, oh, I wish we had them.

I wish we had someone like that.

Obviously, a man, he does that, you know,

has been remarkably successful in blending

the hard left socialist politics,

the Islamist sort of, you know, dogwistling.

You know, he's bought a real coalition of courageous together,

but he's done it really well.

And he seems to have chanted the president.

Is anyone on the left you think in the contention for 28, 26?

28, 28 that you think cool.

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AOC.

I think AOC is.

Is it with the crazy eyes?

I think she's matured in a lot of ways.

She went into office, as I think it's just very much

like burned everything to the ground.

And I think she realized that that wasn't actually going

to help her in Washington.

It wasn't going to help her get anything done.

And she's actually become a lot less of a opposition leader

as she fashions herself to be.

And as many people that follow her probably still believe

her to be in Washington.

She's become a close ally.

It folks like Nancy Pelosi, Hanym Jeffries.

She plays the game.

Grimming him for a great thing, right?

She plays the game.

And I also think that she's a very Kenny politician

who is willing to go out, do the work,

and crisscross the country.

Yeah, I think that's really interesting as well.

I think in the way you talked about of going

where the voters are, not necessarily.

Conservatives can't just sit on talk radio

and talk to each other.

They just get out of there.

Her media strategy is really interesting,

but she doesn't really do big new times interviews

that you'd expected to do.

She doesn't do.

She's not on MSNBC all day.

As you know, other figures of the left is she's actually,

she almost does.

She almost sort of hacks the system.

And she's like, what's all the way that Donald Trump does?

She makes it look much more accessible to the years

by doing videos and sort of doing, you know,

she'll walk between the Senate buildings and Congress

and she'll do a door stop rather than a sit down interview.

She seems to be rising up to the tactic, right?

Yeah, she goes on Instagram live and she'll do that for hours.

She'll, you know, tweet and that will be what she has to say.

You know, press release, none of that.

She's like, it's on my ex-feeds.

Very Trumpian, as you mentioned.

And so I think she understands just kind of again,

in a way that it's so remarkable,

because when you compare to Trump,

you're realizing you're comparing, you know,

she's what in her early 30s,

and in his late 70s, early 80s,

and like he gets it, which is remarkable.

But I think she grew up in this like digital first environment,

which is just kind of where campaigning is going.

You get James Talleriko, right?

And a very digital first campaign.

Of course, you know, that translates

to a lot of in-person activations

with these huge rallies that he did.

But of course, that isn't enough.

And I think that's why AOC is different in the sense

that like she actually is not only able to go viral

and create these big moments online,

but she's also able to gather crowds of 30,000 people

in key swing states across the country.

Jasmine Crockett, very capable of going viral

for all the wrong reasons.

I think she realized this past Tuesday

that being ghetto is on a campaign strategy.

But outside of that, like she realized

that there wasn't really much there.

And I think the people of Texas realized that

and they rejected her squarely.

And now what's actually been interesting about that race

is that if you go through Twitter,

I see so many black female voters who are saying

who feel betrayed by the Democrat Party.

And that's why I know when people are saying,

oh, Texas is going to go blue,

there will be a lot of black women who stay home

and black women are the most loyal constituency.

Well, because they feel that she was badly treated

and stitched up.

Yeah, and then she was just basically tossed out

from the round of crap campaign.

Yeah, ran a terrible campaign,

but I think the way that she's framed it,

she was saying Republicans stole this race yesterday.

How the hell is it?

How the hell is the Republican still at that point?

Yeah, we made Democrats not vote for you, Jasmine.

Yes, that's exactly what we did.

I mean, they were actually begging her to run.

They were like, rub, please.

I literally saw people on Twitter basically saying,

like Republicans, if you don't know who you want to vote for,

if you don't know if you want to vote for Wesley Han

or Ken Paxer and John Corden, just don't.

It's an open primary state in Texas.

Go vote for Jasmine Crockett.

That's actually a better use for your vote.

And so we were actively campaigning for you, Jasmine.

And so it's so funny seeing her saying that, you know,

we're responsible for her loss.

But no, she ran a crappy campaign,

but I think these people are just so reflexively inclined

to embrace identity politics and blame blackness

for something or blame gender for something

that that's what they're going to do,

which is actually to our benefit.

Yes, I will say, Stephen Colbert and the Democrats

colluded to screw that black woman out of promotion

and black women should remember that, come November.

Well, at least they're not blaming Israel

for something for her.

For once.

CJ, it would be remiss of me to have you in the studio.

Tell me about your MAGA parties.

Yeah, so the MAGA party again.

I mean, is that a genuine tactic or is it a bit of fun?

You know, it's a bit of both, right?

I think, you know, we kind of got started doing all this

a little bit by accident, you know, last year in January

when the president was inaugurated,

I partnered with TikTok to throw an event

in honor of some of the leading influencers

who helped contribute the president's campaign.

New York Magazine was president at that party

and they decided that they wanted to call us the cruel kids

and portray us as some type of KKK Kumbaya.

They cropped out all the black people from the event.

They didn't interview me.

They didn't interview Wackaflaka who performed.

They wanted to portray MAGA as some

racially homogenous group of people of which we are not.

And so I said, okay, you want to accuse me

of throwing an all-white party

and I'm going to throw an all-white party.

To the Fourth of July, we threw an all-white party

with Soldier Boy.

And from there, you know, we've done a party

in the Halloween with Rick Ross this past Valentine's Day

back to what we talked about earlier.

I said, you know, there's so many people in DC,

especially who complain about not being able to find love

or not being able to find someone with, you know,

like-minded values or any of those things that said,

okay, let's throw a Valentine's Day party.

If you're single, you're in a greener span.

If you're in a relationship, you wear a red one

because let's out-populate these people.

That's how we beat them.

And I think that for me, the biggest opportunity

with these events is number one creating community

amongst young conservatives in typically blue cities.

But also too, because I believe that fundamentally

courage is contagious.

So the more that you see people who are no longer ashamed

of saying, yes, I am mag.

I guess I am Republican.

Yes, I do love America.

The more you feel emboldened to say those things yourself.

Because for a long time, and I think this was

a lot of older generations practices,

they were okay with being the silent majority.

It was a rich Nixon thing.

I think that my generation is saying, screw that,

we're about to be the loudest helmet or what.

And also, is it because of the rise of TikTok

and Instagram and the influence of generation?

That's kind of have mega celebrities.

Like, you know, Margot Martin, the prime minister,

the prime minister, especially the special assistant

who follows him around, you know,

giving these remarkable back, back, back of them.

Can I leave it to become a celebrity, you know, right?

Like, we'll scarf like the white house lawyer.

It's like, it has this like amazing following

on Instagram in a way that, you know,

these characters in politics would never have been,

you never, not household names,

I mean, home household names as such.

But like, within the ecosystem, within the community,

within the movement, these people are now famous

and they're like, they are names.

Yeah.

Is that kind of tapping into as well?

And the fact you're sort of promoting,

because of you, all of the,

some of the most famous people in this country of podcasts.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing that we're really looking to do

is just show people that, again,

it's cool to be a conservative now.

It's cool to be mad.

Last but not a conservative.

And life is better.

These people are happy.

And like, who would he rather be?

Would he rather be with these people?

Would he rather be, you know,

parting with David Hogg and, you know,

that weirdo Jack Schlossberg?

No, you wouldn't.

And so, and I think also too, looking towards the midterms,

I think there's an opportunity to really,

more directly correlate these things to civic action.

It'd be incredibly cool to go to college campuses

through many of these same events.

And as a requirement to attend,

you have to register to vote or commit to voting

in the upcoming Republican primary and or general.

And so, I think there are going to be a lot of ways

that we can, you know, directly impact the midterms,

turn out young people and reach them not just with,

you know, political rallies,

but events that they want to be a part of.

How much does the attacks on that,

how much does it mean?

I would say that New York magazine piece,

one of those famous covers that I could remember

for that magazine on a long time,

you could use that as a recruiting tool, right?

Yeah, I know.

I think it made us look so badass.

Like, it almost made me like,

I was just like, I can't even complain.

You know, and I was like talking to my lawyer about it

because many parts of that story were to Famatoria.

And I was like, it's gonna be hard to figure out

the damages here.

I mean, it's like, it's been...

It went massively viral.

And it's been the young women who was, you know,

with the Rosie Chinks became a member of the Daily News.

Who now lives in DC, who actually was planning

to go to law school.

But then after that realized just how important this moment

is in DC and was like, put it off.

And now she works for Senator Tommy Tuberville here

and representing the state of Alabama.

What a perfect note to end on.

I mean, when the left try to go, you know,

the attacks do backfire.

Yeah, they do.

And you gotta dig in deeper and fight for this country

and know that you're not alone.

And make America party again.

Gotta do it.

DJ, thanks for joining us.

Thank you.

We're fascinating chat.

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