Tucker Confronts Mike Huckabee on America’s Toxic Relationship With Israel

We're about to play you an interview we did with you with some bastard to Israel Mike

Huckabee two days ago in Israel.

In general, it's never worth talking about the backstory behind in interview, kind of

not the point, makes it about the interview or not the person being interviewed.

For one thing, for another, it's not that interesting, most of the time.

And for another, it's kind of off the record.

Another person hasn't consented to you telling the story.

So in general, we don't do that.

Who'd want to hear that?

Let the interview speak for itself.

But in this case, we want to tell you a few things about how this interview came about

because they are pretty interesting, revealing and now weirdly relevant, apparently.

So this interview with Mike Huckabee came about a couple of weeks ago on Twitter, one of

our producers showed me.

He said something to the effect of you're talking to Middle Eastern Christians, Tucker

Carlson, maybe you should talk to me when you come to an interview.

And I paused for him and I thought in the past about trying to interview Mike Huckabee,

whom I've known for over 30 years and worked adjacent to at Fox.

And I had mixed feelings about it mostly because it's hard if you're me to interview Mike

Huckabee because of just the personal affect.

Mike Huckabee's jovial comes off as friendly as a grandfather when annoyed I can be nasty

in interviews.

And so it's, it takes a lot of self control to interview someone like Mike Huckabee, not

because I hate him, but because it's hard to ask him tough questions and not come off

as a jerk, which I often am.

So but I thought in this case, yeah, I should definitely do this for a bunch of different

reasons.

Similarly, the United States is moving toward a big war, a real war with Iran, a regime

change war.

The biggest war we've had since the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003 and Israel

is driving that.

We are doing this at the past, at the demand of the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

So it seems like now is the time for more Americans to understand the dynamic between

the US and Israel and to call attention to that.

And for another Huckabee's behavior in the last year in Jerusalem as the ambassador has

been very, very striking.

He famously had a meeting with the most damaging spy in American history.

And why did he do that?

He hadn't been asked by anybody up until two days ago, why did you do that?

So I wanted to be able to ask him that.

And so we accepted and then began the usual negotiations about when and where the

interview would take place.

And we were constrained because we weren't expecting this.

We wanted to do it quickly, but we had tons of travel.

So we threw them a date them being the American embassy.

We can do it on this date and they were very accommodating.

And then the question became, well, where do we do it?

And maybe a Christian holy site, we said, we've got to get in and out really quick, got

to be back to do a bunch of other interviews, but we've got this time frame.

And they said, well, why don't you do it at the US embassy or maybe we said that great

US embassy.

So the US embassy is about an hour or 55 minutes from the big airport in Israel, Bangerian.

So we said, okay, what about security?

Now at this time, the Israeli government, the prime minister included, were attacking me

in this show, Netanyahu, just, I was a Nazi, for example.

And so we thought, you know, how about security?

Obviously, not because the Israeli government necessarily would do something bad, because

there are a lot of people in Israel who think because they've been told that I'm an anti-Semite

or a Nazi or want to kill Jews, this kind of crazy overstatement, all untrue, obviously,

but it would be good to have security.

And I should say, having done interviews on six out of seven continents over 35 years,

I'm not very security conscious at all, never really feel uncomfortable with this seem

like a prudent thing to do.

So we were told by the embassy spokesman, no, we're not going to provide security.

And so we said, okay, I guess we'll get private security, but could we get someone from

the embassy to ride in the car with us from the airport to the interview?

And we were told, no, could we get what they call a control officer, just an American

with us in an official capacity as an embassy employee with us?

No, quote, for legal reasons, we can't do that.

So I thought, well, that's very strange.

And then they said, but instead we're turning you over to the ministry for foreign affairs,

MFA, and they're going to arrange everything in Israel.

Well, this was within 24 hours of the deputy foreign minister, Sharon Haskell, releasing

a video calling me an anti-Semite and an enemy of Israel.

This was the person who the embassy was telling us was going to handle all of our travel.

So it was at this point that I just called, I called the spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Israel

and I said, okay, I'm an American citizen responding to an invitation from the American ambassador

to Israel.

And by the way, I'm the son of the U.S. ambassador.

So I have some sense, not an expert, obviously, but I have some sense of how this works.

And I think that the U.S. ambassador has discretion to send somebody from his office

to the airport to accompany someone in.

I think that's right.

And if it's not right, tell me what law you're talking about, what legal reason you're

talking about, that would prevent that.

And now you're sending me over to a government official who's been calling me a Nazi.

That's the person in charge of getting us to the embassy, like, what is going on here?

And the embassy spokesman who's totally nice said, well, this was a decision of someone

called David Brownstein.

He's the DCM, the number two guy in the embassy.

And I said, well, put him on the text exchange, like, what is going on here?

And so Brownstein got on and didn't answer the question.

But basically said, well, okay, let's just do the interview at the airport in the diplomatic

reception area at the airport.

Okay.

I said, we're going to be flying in from Europe and we had to be in and out really quickly.

So at great expense, we chartered a plane, which I never do because I'm cheap.

But we did.

And so then I said to them, okay, I want to send you the flight information.

Mail number, flight number, route.

And I want you to pass that on to the Israeli military just so, you know, they don't mistake

as for an Iranian drone or something, I mean, not to be paranoid.

But again, this is probably the most violent country in the world, Israel.

Is there a country in the world where a higher percentage of the population has held

a gun or shot someone?

I mean, I don't know the answer, but this is a country famously waging a seven front

war with all of its neighbors, you know, so this is also the country that bombed the USS Liberty

knowing, we know this from NSA intercepts that it was an American ship.

So don't, you know, just send the military our flight information.

And you know, we can all just sort of know it's on the record and we can all come down

a little bit.

No, they said the US Embassy said, no, this is your flight is not a matter of concern

to the Israeli military.

I said, okay, now, now you're making me uncomfortable isn't the airspace of Israel, the purview of

the Israeli military, aren't they in charge of maintaining the integrity of their airspace

when you fly over the country of Israel or any country, it's military keeps track of

you because that's their job.

So why wouldn't you send our flight information to the Israeli military?

You're making me nervous.

I sent this exchange, it took a screenshot of it and sent it to a bunch of people including

in the US government because I'm not a paranoid person and I'm not a jumpy person, is this

weird behavior?

Yeah, it's really weird behavior, all of them said that.

So I got pretty aggressive and just said, look, you got to do this, okay.

And they to their credit got back to us and said, yes, we will, we will do that.

But I thought that was completely bizarre and menacing, by the way.

Now at the same time, and I think this is relevant, certainly it goes to motive, I was

attempting to set up a meeting as I have been for the past three months with the Prime

Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who I've dealt with a lot in the past and who

denounced me as a Nazi in public.

I remember the woke right.

Why was I trying to do that?

Not an interview, I knew he wouldn't sit for an interview, but I wanted just to meet

with him in person, one to show that I'm willing to go to Israel and hate Israel as

a country.

But to just to say directly to him, this is bad, this should be deescalated.

This kind of rhetoric doesn't help anybody calling people, calling me specifically a Nazi

and an anti-Semite, when you know that I'm not, by the way, if I was, I would just admit

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I've said many times I think anti-Semitism is immoral, it's against my religion, just

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And so I really pushed hard for this meeting, and I called a lot of people who know him,

and who are in regular contact with him.

In fact, I wanted to go see some of those people directly.

Please, can you help me get a sit down for five minutes with Benjamin Netanyahu?

And I probably called or met with six, seven, eight, maybe more people on this question.

People in official capacities, people in the Israeli government, I know I know a number

of people in the Israeli government, people in Israel, a friend of mine in California,

who knows him.

I mean, I really, really tried.

And I did so for two reasons, one, because there was a threat to my family, the Israeli

government, and Netanyahu himself tried to punish two members of my family.

I won't be more specific, but actually punish two members of my family.

Because he has said in public many times, believes in blood guilt, Amalek, you know,

when someone commits a crime against you, you punish not just him, but his family, his

bloodline, there's no idea that's less Western than that, more anti-Christian than that.

Christians reject that.

Netanyahu doesn't.

That's why he's talking about Amalek, and he was going after my family, literally.

So I felt very threatened by that.

But moreover, I think it's bad for my country to have people using that kind of language,

round him up, bring him to the camps, gas chambers, not seas, anti-semitism.

It scares the heck out of people.

It makes people crazy and hysterical.

And certainly, in my case, none of that is true.

I hate collective punishment.

I hate attacking people on the basis of their bloodline.

I hate anti-semitism and anti-weight racism and all of this, or any kind of racism,

period.

A lot.

So using that kind of language against someone who is not fundamentally your enemy, who

just, in my case, I want Christians in areas controlled by Israel to be treated with

dignity, to have rights.

And I don't want the US government involved in a war, a regime change war with Iran.

Those are my priorities, and I've said them out loud, I have no secret agenda.

So to attack me as a Nazi for saying that suggests a total unwillingness to compromise.

Anyone who doesn't agree with us 100% must be destroyed.

His family must be attacked, my family, and must be written off as a Nazi.

Well when you do that, it makes people hysterical.

It increases the temperature to a point that someone's going to get hurt if you keep talking

that way.

And it's just bad.

The United States is bad for the world.

So I wanted to deliver that message.

I finally wound up talking to guy called Yoram Hazoni, who is an Israeli who famously organizes

the American national conservatism conferences.

And I said to him, look, you're having a national conservatism conference in Jerusalem this

summer.

You asked me to speak at the first, I think the first national conservatism conference

in the United States.

I would say believe in national conservatism, America first, I think every nation should

put its own people first.

That's why you have governments.

And I would like to speak at this one.

And moreover, I would like you to ask your friend Benjamin Netanyahu to meet with me.

And we had this sort of long back and forth and it was, no, you cannot speak at the national

conservatism conference because you're an anti-Semite.

No, I'm not, I said, I guess you are, you said.

And I said, well, I really would like to speak to BB to kind of de-escalate this.

And he said, it would not be in his political interest to meet with you.

It's almost verbatim what he said, therefore, no.

So then I realized, you know, you're dealing with people who are unreasonable, who are inflexible,

who are, in fact, fanatical, and then add to that, of course, that my tax dollars are

paying them, you know, it's all pretty distressing.

So that was the backdrop behind our very brief and highly intense trip to Israel.

So we show up on Wednesday, flying from Europe, again, at great expense, and show up at

the diplomatic terminal of Bengurian Airport, where this interview is going to take place,

which is bizarre in itself, filthy building.

The windows are so dirty in the terminal, you can't see out them barely.

Just like exposed dry wall, the whole thing is depressing and grim.

There's a litter outside like, what is this?

This is the diplomatic terminal in Israel.

I thought that was very strange having been in a lot of diplomatic terminals that have never

seen a ratty or one would go in.

And Huckabee's there, and of course, he's totally friendly, as he always is.

Very, very friendly guy and cheerful and we sort of chat.

And the whole place is filled with these guys in t-shirts, thuggish-looking guys in t-shirts,

who are some kind of security.

So we do the interview.

You're about to watch it.

It's very long at two and a half hours ish, and I try my hardest to be friendly.

I think I kind of succeeded.

You can judge for yourself.

But I really got the sense, and again, you can decide, as you watch it, that Huckabee

was not well able to answer any of the questions, but also not really in charge.

He really got the feeling of a guy sort of trying his best to repeat the talking points,

but very constrained, like unable to say certain things.

Not because those things might harm the interest of the U.S. government, he was happy to attack,

for example, the U.S. military and say they're more brutal than the Israeli military, okay?

But unwilling to say certain things because they might reflect poorly on the Israeli government.

And sort of thinking about this for a second, you're like, wait, you're the U.S. ambassador,

you're our representative to a foreign country.

Why is your red line criticism of that country?

Shouldn't you be representing us?

And it was very obvious.

He was representing the Israelis.

Obvious.

And again, you can judge for yourself.

But anyway, so we do this interview.

It was cordial.

And at the end, we're set to fly out.

We have a time.

We have to get out.

We're just sitting right outside and we're ready to go.

And for some reason, the Israelis still have our passports.

There are five of us there.

And four of us are flying out.

And this plane one's flying out commercial with our gear.

So my business partner and I, sort of standing there, we've never left the airport, never

went anywhere.

But our two producers have spent the night before in Tel Aviv.

They're called into rooms and given the third degree.

Now keep in mind, they're about to get on a plane and leave.

In fact, we're late.

We have to get out of there.

We have a slot to get out.

And security, whoever this is, won't let them go.

So I don't really know what's going on at this point.

I'm like, where are our guys?

We've got to get out of here.

So one of them comes out and he says, that was the weirdest experience in my life.

They ask me questions about the interview.

Who did you speak to?

Keep in mind.

Who's like eight feet from where we did the interview?

Well, the US ambassador, Mike Huckabee, what did you talk about?

Why did you ask those questions?

Was it a hostile interview?

And of course, everything in the diplomatic terminal is taped, everything in Israel is

taped.

It's a police state.

It's a surveillance state, obviously.

You get Israel, they put software on your phone.

Everybody knows this.

Because they're constantly spying on you more than probably any other country.

And so they know the answers to these questions.

But they're asking my producer, like, where do you work?

How many people work there?

Do you go to the office?

Where is the office?

What are their names?

They're doing like an intel op and humiliation exercise on my producer.

This isn't security, we're leaving right now.

And they're holding his passport.

The interrogator is holding the passport in his hand as he's asking his questions.

So he's telling me this.

I said, this is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.

Puckabee's gone by this point.

You're an American citizen who's just had a conversation with the US ambassador.

And some thug is demanding details of that conversation.

And I hope you didn't answer.

And he's like, oh, I did not know what to say.

Meanwhile, our last guy, the youngest man who was traveling with us, our last producer,

is still in a room being questioned.

So I pull over one of the guys and said, we got to get out of here.

So I don't know what this is about.

It's outrageous.

And you know, there's nothing I can do about this point, but we got to go.

And this woman comes up to me and says, look, let's just go.

We're going to bring into the plane and he'll come later.

I said, no, it's my producer.

He's being interrogated, asked totally over the top, fully inappropriate questions, that

if nothing to do with security at all, you know, pull up your website, show us your

text exchanges with other people on your staff.

What are your politics like?

And again, what did you say to the US ambassador and what did he say back to you?

Those are not relevant questions if you're trying to keep your country secure.

Those are intel questions.

And they're over the top.

And I said, I want this guy out now.

Let's go.

You know, we got to go and they said, no, no, just leave him here.

We'll bring him to the plane later.

Twice they told me that just leave your guy behind, no, I don't think so.

So I was enraged by this, get on the plane, we get a text from a reporter who somehow

knew that this had happened, I have no idea how, I had no interest in publicizing it actually.

There was, you know, a long trail that showed that the US embassy had been coordinating against

us in a, in a public relations battle before we even got there.

You know, they were leaking that we, we demanded to do it at the airport because we were

afraid to go into Israel, we're cowards, okay, we're cowards, right.

And so I just said to the reporter by text, you know, they pulled my guys into a room and

interrogating them.

This is outrageous, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

The interesting thing is I never heard from Huckabee or anybody to this moment from the

US embassy about what security did to my producers.

They didn't ask us and instead Huckabee went out and called me a liar.

So it raises, again, the question, who exactly is Huckabee working for?

We're American citizens in a foreign country, he's our ambassador, he represents our country,

we pay his salary, but he's taking the side of the foreign government without even calling

to say, hey, what happened to you at the airport?

Did you get hassled?

Did your guys get hassled?

No, you just immediately repeats their lies without even consulting us.

So like, what are we looking at here?

We're looking at the reality, which is if you're an American in Israel, you can be certain

that your government will take the side of the Israeli government and not your side.

And really is that so different from the experience of Americans in the United States?

Can you be sure that your government will take your side over the Israeli government?

No, of course not.

They will always take the Israeli government side over yours.

And that's the core problem.

Even if you support a war with Iran, I think we really the most pressing issue for Americans

is that we kill the Ayatollah or whatever.

You still have a fair expectation that your government, because it is yours, you pay

for it.

It exists to serve you and for no other reason, you have an expectation that your government

will take your side against a foreign government.

But the daily lived reality, the obvious truth, visible to every single American is that's

the opposite of reality.

In fact, if you criticize Israel in your country, your government will work to censor you.

If there's a standoff between you and BB, you know who side your government is going

to take BB side.

That is not sustainable.

That is too humiliating.

It's too clearly an inversion of the natural order.

Your government exists for you, not for a foreign government.

But that's not how we live in this country or in Israel.

So that's what we learned.

And one last thing, he's really, apparently, went, may probably with the help of my Cuckabee,

went to the surveillance tape inside the diplomatic terminal and pulled some clip, of course

getting all their little bots online to promote it of me with my arm around somebody to show

that actually I'm lying about what happened.

That person was our driver who drove us from the plane to the terminal, a short drive,

very nice guy.

Good guy is really guy.

And right when we arrived and he said, could I get a picture?

Of course.

It's a nice man.

So I just put my arm around him and took a picture.

That's what that is.

That was before the interview, it was before our producers were hassled by the thugs and

asked ridiculous questions before any of this happened.

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So with that, here is our interview with Ambassador Mike Huckabee.

I hope it's informative.

Ambassador, thank you very much for having us for inviting me.

I was grateful to be invited.

Thank you.

I was grateful, because I don't like all the name calling.

I've engaged in some of it.

I want to apologize for that, but in general, I don't think people should be going immediately

to motive calling each other Nazis or anti-Semites.

I said, I hate the Christian Zionists.

I lost control of myself.

Of course, I don't.

I've apologized for that.

I have problems with my anger.

And so I just want to apologize to you since you are a Christian Zionist.

You and I have known each other for over 30 years.

Over 30 years.

That is totally true.

Back when you were in Little Rock.

So yes.

You know, that's why I wanted us to have a conversation talk to each other and not about

each other.

And I appreciate very much you're coming here to have.

Of course.

And I'm only saying a couple of hours, unfortunately, because I kind of shoehorned this in, but

I hope that I'll be back soon.

And I hope that I can come back soon because I want to, I actually like, despite what you

may hear, I actually like the country I've been here a lot.

And there are a lot of things I love about it.

And I want to talk to people in it for like a week and get a better sense of it.

So I want to ask you, everyone I've talked to in preparation for this has said the same

thing.

Jonathan Pollard.

Yeah.

I'm just going to show the name to you and have you explain.

No, I'm glad you asked.

You know, of course, interestingly, there's been a lot of things about it.

You're the first person who has asked me about it, which I find amazing.

So I'm glad you do.

Really?

Yeah.

The very first.

Good.

Well, it's better to like hear it.

Sure.

I met Jonathan Pollard two times.

Once I was making a speech in Jerusalem.

This has been a few years ago.

His wife was still alive at the time.

And he was there.

And someone introduced me to him and his wife.

I said hello to them.

That was it.

Hi.

I used to meet Esther, his wife, and that was it.

I went and made my speech and I left later his wife passed away here in Israel.

And I sent him a note and just said, I'm sorry to hear about your wife.

I remember meeting her at the hotel and sorry to hear it.

He then asked, could he come and see me?

He wanted to come and thank me for being kind to him.

He came to the embassy.

I think we met for maybe 30 minutes.

We had a nice pleasant visit.

The funny thing was the New York Times reported that it was a secret meeting.

Tucker, if you've ever been to the US Embassy, you would know there's no such thing as a secret

meeting at the US Embassy.

There are cameras everywhere.

You walk through a Marine.

You walk through security.

You walk through the front office and there's a dozen or more people that are going to check

you out when you come.

And before you get there, you're going to have to give us your passport information.

You're going to have to be vetted and screened and all of this stuff.

So the idea that it was secret was ludicrous.

The whole idea is, look, Jonathan Pollard did something that was terribly wrong.

He sold secrets.

He shouldn't have done it.

He was sentenced to 30 years in prison and spent 30, actually, I think it was sentenced

to maybe more than 30 years, but he spent 30 years in prison.

Most people convicted of something similar, which was one count I believe would have spent

two to four, but he spent 30.

I don't have a problem with him spending 30, because I think what he did was despicable.

I'm not defending anything about what he did.

But even people like the former director of the CIA, a number of other senators on the

Senate Foreign Relations of the Senate Intel Committee said that he should be allowed

to leave and move to Israel if he wanted to.

To me, it was not as big a deal that I had this basically courtesy meeting.

He wanted to thank me for being nice to him when his wife died.

That's pretty much the...

You advocated for his release when you were in, I remember it, in 2011, long before he

had served 30 years.

I agree with you that there are a lot of people languishing in prison in our country

and in this country, in many countries, for longer periods and they deserve.

And I think it's a Christian impulse to want to see them free.

But this was the greatest trader in modern American history who sold our battle plans, sold

our battle plans against the Soviet Union, our main enemy in the Cold War, to the Israeli

government, which according to our Reagan CIA director, Bill Casey, then gave them to

the Soviet Union.

So this was the most profound betrayal of the United States in my lifetime.

I advocate for that guy's release before he serves his full sentence.

If that were the case in 2011, it would have been because I had a number of friends.

It suggested that he had more than served time and he didn't want to live in the U.S.

anymore.

He wanted to live in Israel.

But my association with him, again, I had never met him until I met him in Jerusalem

at a hotel.

That was the first time I had ever encountered him.

I'm friends with a million bad people where I've talked to a million bad people sitting

here with you.

I mean, come on.

I mean, she says, hey, what tax collector?

So I trust me.

I do not judge people who are friends or know or enjoy the company of immoral people because

it's not an endorsement of their moral behavior.

Pollard is different.

I think once you become a U.S. ambassador, the representative of the president of the United

States and the United States of America in a foreign country, and then you invite not

only the most damaging betrayer in our lifetimes, but also a guy who continues to advocate for

betrayal.

So he gave an interview, as I know you know, in 2021 to Israeli media in which he said,

I would encourage Jewish Americans with security clearances to spy from Assad against their

own country, the United States, because, and I'm pretty much quoting him, all Jews should

have dual loyalty.

That's it.

I mean, that's not repentance.

That's not someone who feels bad about what he did.

That's someone who's encouraging American Jews to betray their country.

That's pretty heavy, don't you think?

Oh, I do.

And I disagree with that wholeheartedly.

I think let's remember it was President Trump, who probably facilitated his departure.

And I'm certainly supportive of President Trump.

I think you are.

And Pollard is not.

He called him a madman.

I'm sure you're meeting.

That's why I say Pollard is not, for me, the real issue.

It was the fact that he did something that was despicable.

I'm not denying that.

Of course he did.

And he paid dearly for it 30 years in prison.

And he should have.

That's what he should have done.

No question about that.

But why meet with him in the U.S. Embassy?

Your colleagues said they were shocked.

They said that who were the colleagues that said they were shocked.

Quoted on background in the New York Times, I think the meeting was in August.

This could all be fake.

I'm asking you.

Well, the same New York Times said it was a secret meeting.

And I'm telling you, there's no such thing as a secret meeting in the U.S. Embassy.

You see why the U.S. Ambassador hosting a convicted betrayer of his own country who's

encouraging Americans to continue to betray their country would seem shocking.

Well I would say that it wasn't that I, you make it sound like I'm hosting a meeting.

I simply met with him.

I meet with people all the time.

Some of them just walk in without a...

No, they have to have an appointment.

Of course they do.

So it is hosting and then I think...

Well, I don't know if it was hosting, but it was certainly he was able to come to the

U.S. Embassy to have a meeting at his request.

I did.

And frankly, I don't regret it.

I've met with a lot of people over the course of the time I've been here and will meet

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There have been Americans in prison in Israel, there have also been and there continue to

be dozens and dozens and dozens of sex offenders, accused sex offenders from the United States

who fled to Israel, including one recently in Israeli government official who was caught

trying to molest a 15-year-old girl and fled to Israel and is not going back to the United

States to stand charges for attempted molestation of a child.

Have you advocated for the Israeli government to return him to the United States?

I'm not familiar with that case, it has not come to us at the embassy.

So I'm not aware, is this the person in Nevada?

That is correct.

Okay, I heard about it.

I heard about it, but I heard about it through open source media, it was never something

that was presented to us, but I would have no problem with him being extradited back

to the U.S.

You're the president's and our country's representative in the state of Israel, so I think it would

fall to you to advocate with your friend, the prime minister, to say, wait a second, we

have a very close relationship.

We're obviously the single largest source of outside funding for this country.

How can you take an accused child molestor and shield him from American justice, send him

back to the United States?

Have you ever had that conversation?

No, because the prime minister would not be the proper person that would deal with an

extradition.

It would go through their court system, and so the prime minister is very similar to

what we have in the U.S., where there is a separation of powers.

So it would go through something other than the prime minister.

Have you advocated to the courts, to judges, to anybody in the Israeli justice system?

There has never been a request for me to engage in that.

I would be happy to do it.

If the White House sent a message to me, I do work for the president.

I serve it as pleasure.

If anyone of the White House were to say to me, would you please go and make a case for

it?

But probably, if that were to happen, it wouldn't come through the embassy as much as it

would likely come from the Department of Justice at the U.S., in D.C., they would make the

request.

They might involve us, but they very likely would not.

Does it seem strange to you that people accused of job molestation in the United States are

allowed to have refuge within the borders of our closest ally?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Well, I would say that if you've molested an American child, it shouldn't be required

to adjust.

Let's be clear, one of the things about our system of jurisprudence, you're innocent

until you're proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

So if the charges are there, should he be extradited?

I would say so.

The charges are there.

Yeah.

Okay, so they should be, but that's a justice department decision, and they're the ones

who should be pursuing it.

To my knowledge, they have it.

They certainly haven't engaged the U.S. embassy.

Why would the Israeli government harbor fugitives from justice in the United States?

I'm not sure that there are dozens and dozens and dozens of factors in Israeli group that

keeps track of them that is dedicated, Jewish-Israeli group dedicated to combating the molestation

of children and keeps a long list in.

I mean, you can look it up.

However, I hope you're not saying that you think the Israelis support the molestation

of children.

Obviously, I'm not saying that.

Okay.

I'm saying that the Israeli government allows shields accused job molesters from justice

in the United States.

I'm not sure I could say that that's something that is provable.

I don't know, but I am not aware that the Israeli government is shielding people.

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man's name correctly.

It's Tom, I believe Alexander Vitch.

I think that's right, and I've written it down, but of course, my handling is so terrible

I can't read it.

But yes, he is an Israeli, I believe, cybersecurity official, who was at a conference in Las

Vegas last year and was caught up in a sting, designed to catch people soliciting sex

from children.

He was one of a number of people arrested for this, he was arraigned and charged.

And then two days later, he fled to Israel and did his first hearing by Zoom.

He was allowed for some reason to leave for a foreign country, having already been charged

for a attempted molestation of a child.

And he remains here now, and there have been many news stories about this.

And I just wonder if you would ask the Israeli government to send, to put him on a plane

and send him back to face justice for attempting to molest an American child.

It doesn't seem complicated.

No, I wouldn't mind doing that, but I want to find out if the Justice Department of the

US has already sought to extradite him.

Is there anything in process?

I don't know.

Why wouldn't they seek to extradite?

I have no idea.

That's the question.

That's the question for the Justice Department.

I have many questions for the Justice Department.

Like why are millions of Epstein files still classified?

What do you think that is?

I have no idea.

I haven't kept up with that.

I've never met the man.

I don't know him.

You haven't kept up with the Epstein Disclosure?

I mean, only from a distance.

I'm 6,000 miles away from DC these days.

You attacked me personally for suggesting that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to Mossad.

I'm not saying he'd work from Mossad.

I don't think we know that.

But there's no question that he had extensive contact with CIA.

I think you said at a turning point event, everybody knows Jeffrey Epstein.

I said everyone thinks.

And it turns out everyone was right that he did have.

I'm not sure everyone was right or everyone thinks.

OK, you said that I was lying.

And I don't want to make this about me.

I don't think I said you were lying, Tucker.

I don't recall.

I'm just saying, why don't we release all the files?

And then we don't need to guess.

I got no problem with that.

Go ahead.

But it's all on it.

Well, because you weighed in on it and said that this was not true.

Well, of course.

I said there was no evidence.

Well, there's quite a bit of evidence,

but you haven't apparently bothered to read any of the files.

Is that what you're saying?

I have not read the Epstein files apparently you have.

Well, they're on the internet.

But when you say that everybody knows that Jeffrey Epstein was a massage,

that everyone believes that, I don't think everybody does.

I don't know.

Well, everyone knows that he had contact with.

And by the way, not just Israeli intelligence, American intelligence,

which is much more distressing for me, I'm not Israeli.

I'm American.

I don't want my government having any contact with someone like Jeffrey Epstein.

So the shame I would neither.

He's on the United States, as far as I'm concerned,

just to be totally clear about that.

Everyone's very sensitive about the Israel connection,

not at all sensitive about the US connection,

which I find very revealing.

We should care about what our government does first, I think.

But since you weighed in on it and said there's no evidence,

I'm surprised that since that evidence has been open to the public for a month,

since you've already weighed in publicly on this question,

that you've made no effort to evaluate that evidence.

Why is that?

I just told you, I was certainly not aware

that there were some specific allegations.

I knew about the former prime minister, but I don't know him.

Not sure I ever met him in my many times.

I've been to Israel over 100 times since 1973,

the first time I came here was 1973, July.

And it's almost 53 years of coming and going to this country.

So I know the country well, I know a lot of people here,

but I don't know everything, and I don't know everybody,

but I do a lot of people.

Of course, no, and I can see your love for it, and I think that's great.

But I'm talking about the US government and its responsibility

to, you know, there's a lot of complaint about conspiracy theories

and everyone, you know, he's a hater.

Everyone's a signing motive,

but there's a way to end these conversations very quickly with facts,

and I'm highly confused by...

Have you brought this up to the president?

I mean, no, I don't work for him.

I've said this many times that you don't work for him,

but you go to the White House and you see people there,

you and JD Vance are very good friends.

So have you brought this up to them?

Because I have brought this up in a public committee.

It's not a portfolio, but apparently it's highly,

very strongly on your mind.

And I'm just hoping you should do it.

It's a significant concern for me.

It should be for everybody.

But if there is a charged child molester,

but I'm saying if you are very involved in the details of this,

and you think it's the US government that's hiding

and shielding somebody, then bring it up to the people

that you personally know.

I don't think that, I know it,

because the Justice Department has said

we have millions of documents we're not releasing.

Why are they not releasing?

I'm asking you as a US government official.

Well, but what the answer is?

The government official at the embassy in Jerusalem

that has not one thing to do with the Justice Department

and what they're investigating on any given day.

Unless it involves...

And I don't want to argue or talk in circles,

but you are the one who brought it up

and said it's absolutely not true.

I was only responding to what I heard you say.

Okay, but now that you know there's evidence

and we can settle this debate.

You haven't looked at the evidence

and you're not pushing for the release

of the total corpus of evidence.

And I'm confused because I want to believe

that your goal is to get to the truth

and the fastest way to do that

is by releasing the evidence.

Don't you think?

You suggest that I can release the evidence?

I'm suggesting you could call for it right now.

Well, I bind, call for it.

I would, let's have it all open.

I thought it was being all opened up for everything I...

Once it's open, I hope you'll read it

because it's really interesting

and then it puts to rest a lot of the debate

and it ends the name calling

because we can say here it is right there.

And we don't have to call people names.

We can just assess the documents.

Let me ask you...

Would you bring it up?

I hope you will bring it up to people at the White House though.

I've brought...

I'm bringing it up right now.

I'm bringing it up now

and I'm asking, I just want to say this one last time,

as the U.S. Ambassador to Israel,

I hope that you will make a formal request

to the Israeli government to send every accused sex offender

in this country back to the United States to face justice.

And I don't understand why that hasn't been done.

I am confused.

Well, we'll try to clear up all the confusion that we...

Well, if someone's been accused of trying to molest a child,

I think it's then certainly

and I'll check with the Justice Department

because it is a DOJ issue

and it would be handled through DOJ, the U.S.,

to the court systems in Israel.

That's how it would be handled.

But the first step is the Israeli government saying,

yes, we will allow you to extradite this person back

because the person is being shielded by the government.

That's why the person's here.

That's why he fled here.

So he wouldn't have to stand trial

for trying to molest a child.

I want to get to the...

As I said at the outset,

I said something awful that I regret

that my wife barked at me about.

I lashed out at Christian Zionists and evangelicals

and I just want to say again that I'm sorry.

I've always liked them because they're pro-life

and they're also really nice people.

So for the third time, I'm sorry that I said that.

I think part of my problem was,

I don't understand the theology

and you are not a fake Baptist minister.

You're an actual minister.

You had a church for many years.

You're an actual theologian.

So, and I mean this was sincerity.

I hear people say those who bless Israel will be blessed.

I know it's a reference to Genesis.

I don't understand the connection between that concept

and modern Israel and the geopolitical world.

And so I'm gonna stand back and ask you.

Let's first define, because you know,

for my days as a debater in high school in college,

what are the things I knew?

You didn't start the debate till you defined the terms.

Let's define the terms.

Thank you.

What is a Christian Zionist?

What does that mean to you?

What does it mean?

I don't know.

It's the people who call me a Nazi

for asking what Israel means.

I mean, that's kind of my problem.

I don't even know.

But here's the point.

If you say a Christian Zionist is a person

who has a brain virus and is guilty of heresy,

that's a pretty big charge.

I know, I shouldn't have made it.

I shouldn't have made it.

I made it out of anger and ignorance.

So, and I'm Christian.

Well, I think we can agree

as somebody who follows Jesus Christ.

Exactly.

Has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ

believe in his death, burial, resurrection,

has repented of one's sins

and have accepted him as one savior.

Exactly.

In Christian.

Define that.

Zionist.

A Zionist simply means a person who believes

that the Jewish people have a right

to have a homeland where they have security and safety.

Did you believe that the Jews have a right to live in Israel?

Do you believe that Jews have a right to live in Israel?

I, that would be a Zionist.

That's all a Zionist is.

I have not a million questions

about what all of those terms mean.

Yeah.

But conceptually, I wish Israel no harm.

I don't want to see them very important

to have a place where they could live

with safety and security.

So, I saw this recently

in an extremely telling exchange

between the Lieutenant Governor of Texas

who I know and I've always liked

and a woman I don't know, never met.

He's on the religious Liberty Commission or something.

And she said, I'm a Catholic, but I'm not a Zionist.

And the ferocious exchange.

And he kept saying, everyone in the panel

seemed to keep saying, you have to believe

in Israel's right to exist.

I've never kind of questioned just for the record,

but it did raise two questions, I think,

are really important.

And I hope you'll answer them.

One is, where does that right come from?

I would say it comes from, essentially,

you could say it comes from the Bible.

I would say that it does.

But it comes also from a long iteration

of historical precedence going

to the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

It comes from the League of Nations 1927.

It comes from the United Nations 1947,

the Declaration of Independence of the Israel State,

May of 1948.

They were immediately attacked.

They won the war.

They were attacked again in 1956.

They won the war.

They were attacked again in 1967 by five countries.

They won the war.

They were attacked again in 1973 in the Yom Kippur War.

They won the war.

The point is, does Israel have a right to exist?

They also had wars in 1982 in Lebanon.

They've had to fought as two of those.

They've had a war in a nosy fortitude there.

No, I'm very familiar with the modern history of the state.

Okay.

Pretty familiar, I think.

A design is simply means somebody who believes

that Israel has a right to exist.

Now the question is, do you believe Israel

has a right to exist?

I guess, I mean, I want Israel to exist.

Well, no, but I want to know what that means.

So like, do other countries have a right to exist?

Well, they do exist.

Do they have a right to exist?

You keep saying Israel is a right to exist.

And I want to know what other countries

have a right to exist.

Because every international body in the last 100 years

has said the Jewish people have a right to their indigenous home.

My question is, that's a legal right.

What other have a biblical right?

I would say, they yes.

But you might say they don't.

I don't know.

I'm actually sincerely interested

in finding out what you mean by a biblical right.

But first to the legal right, does any other country

on the planet have the same right that Israel has to exist?

Well, you could say this.

Jordan have a right to exist when it was trans-Jordan and the Brits came and divided up the Middle

East and they gave some land to Jordanians and they gave some land to the Saudis and they gave some

land to various Middle Eastern countries and it was all carved up and the French gave Lebanon

its right to exist. Do they have a right to exist? Do they? Well, why not? So every country

U.S. have a right to exist? I'm asking you. Okay, and I'm telling you, I think the U.S. has a

right to exist. Okay. We came here. We came there. We're in Israel now talking. But does the U.S.

have a right to exist? Is anyone questioned whether we have a right to exist? I don't. Yeah, but

but I of course I'm from America, you know, for you. But I so every current country on the map

has the same right to exist that Israel has. Is that what you're saying? I think what we're saying

is that when a country has established itself and it is following international law, it has been

deemed by numerous bodies that it is indigenous to its homeland as Israel is. This is its homeland.

It goes back 3,800 years to the time of Abraham. It's not that the Jewish people just showed up

here in 1948 and said we're going to have some land. Well, hold on. So those are two different

tracks and I just want to make sure that we celebrate them. So I understand each one separately.

All right. So you're saying there's the modern legal framework. And so you said a country that

abides by international law has a right to exist. I would say that that is a part of what it would be

would the inverse be true that a country that does not abide by international law for fits that's

right to exist? Not necessarily if it has the capacity to stay and make its case known. But there

have been Jewish people in this land. Okay, but that's a very land for 3,800 years. Okay. So

but you're saying as the modern nation state with borders and a military and a kinesid and just all

the kind of trappings of a modern country, all of which I support. That country has every country

on the planet has the same right as Israel to exist because it does exist. Is that what you're

saying? I'm just trying to understand the concept here. Well, I think what we're trying to get to

is Christian Zionism. And you've taken this way off the road. I know that I have. I don't

mean to. Christian Zionism is this type of thing. But I just keep hearing people say, Zionism

is the belief that fundamental argument that's going on. Does Israel have a right to live in their

indigenous, ancient, historical land, a land that has been affirmed throughout international

organizations, a land that has direct ties to the Jewish people? I just want to know if this is

a universal principle. I guess that's what I'm getting at because if it's not, then it's

meaningless to me because as a Christian, I believe in universal principles. Something is right for

everyone or it's wrong for everyone. I don't believe in special cases. The Jews didn't have this

land. Would the Jews have a right to any land? I don't know. I'm not attacking the Jews. I'm

asking if this applies to every people and every nation. Does every nation have the same right

to its own homeland, to its own physical land that you say Israel does? I feel like we're in a

rabbit hole here. No, I think it's a very straightforward question. But does that right extend to

other countries? But the most important thing that is going on in our culture right now is whether

or not the people that are yelling in the streets from the river to the sea, whether that's a

legitimate point of view to say that there should not be a Jewish homeland. There should not be

a Jewish state. You'll never hear me say that. I just want to know. I know you haven't said it,

but that's the argument. It's one of the arguments going on globally.

In the United States, excuse me, has a pretty narrow view. I would say in our media culture,

what's happening around the world? There are plenty of countries having this debate. Stonehenge is

a lot older than the first temple in Israel. It was built by the same people who live there now.

It's the same people. They are being pushed off their island and outnumbered by people from other

places. In Great Britain, in Ireland, which is also a country with a nation of people, a race,

if you will, that is being displaced, replaced by immigrants from other places. I just want to

clarify because I was one of the... Well, just as a demographic matter, it's just like you can look

at the numbers. It's not controversial. Just look at the numbers. They'll be a minority in their

country. Their people have been there longer than Jews have been in Israel. They're having this

debate too. That's all I'm saying. Lots of places are having this debate. Does that principle apply

to everyone or is it specific just to Israel? I think it applies specifically to Israel. It applies

to anyone who can prove that they have some connection to the land and connection to the history

and connection to international law. But Israel, I think, does have an extraordinary international

law. Again, let me finish this, because here's the point. We're talking about Christian Zionism.

The idea that, as a Christian, I believe in both the old and the New Testament. Why wouldn't I?

I'm a person of the book. There are 80 million evangelical Christians in the United States.

What makes us who we are is our adherence to the Scripture, our belief that the Bible,

all of it, not part of it, but all of it is the Word of the Living God. So if I believe in the old

and the New Testament, I do believe that there is a very specific call to the Jewish people that

started with Abraham. He called him out of what is now modern-day Iraq, said, come where I

send you. He came. This is the land. Genesis 12.3. He says, I will bless those who bless you,

curse those who curse you. In Genesis 17, he looks out of the world. He says, look,

in this is where I'm giving you the land. I think since that time, there have been people

living in this land connected to that moment of history. So there is a historical connection.

I'm not even broken. You've said that, and I want to ask you what that means a little more

specifically, if that's okay. But first, let me just say that you could say the same thing

of Britons who've been there in their land longer. Does anyone in Toronto tell the Britons that

the Brits, they can't live there anymore? No, what's happening is they are saying that to the Jews?

Okay, but I just wonder if you would extend the same sympathy or the same principle. You seem

like this is, you think I'm trying to trap you? I'm not. I'm at all trying to trap you. It'd be

as simple as saying, native Britons have the same problem with the native Brits having their land.

Having the right point is I don't know that there is a biblical connection for the Brits.

Okay, so that's what it can take that off the table. And I think there's still a basis

for the Jews having this little bitty strip of real estate. I'm not even arguing with you.

I'm just trying to at all. I'm just trying to understand what it is that you're saying,

because it's not obvious to me. And maybe it's an IQ problem, but I'm having to understand it.

But let me just go back to just clarify one thing you've brought up international at least

twice, maybe three times, as a basis for Israel's legitimacy. If Israel was out of compliance with

international law, whatever that is, would it be less legitimate? It depends on if the law and the

way it's applied is legitimate. There are some applications of so-called international law that

are not legitimate. I agree. At the ICC or the ICC. I agree. I agree. I'm utterly ridiculous.

One of the reasons I'm so grateful, President Trump and Secretary Rubio, are pushing hard,

trying to get rid of the ICC and the ICC is because they have become rogue organizations that

are no longer really about an equal application of law. I don't know enough about it to say if

that's true or not. But I'm interested that you yourself can heal to international law as a

basis of Israel's legitimacy. But what I'm looking at is the whole of the last 100 years.

The Balfour Declaration is not exactly international law, but it was a later I think.

It was maybe not law, but it was a declaration. It was an assumption and a declaration that was

done by Lord Balfour in Great Britain. At that time, this land was under the British mandate,

and he said that you should have the land that was theirs from 3,800 years ago. It was simple as

that. Right. I'm not to being that. It was not international law. It was a colonial power saying.

But then later it was an international law under the League of Nations, under the United Nations.

And then because of the victories that Israel had against those who tried to annihilate them,

and it wasn't just that they were trying to take a little piece of their land, they tried to

annihilate them. Okay. And there is still to this day, the shouts of from the river to the sea,

and Tucker, that means only one thing. Not the shrinking of Israel, but the annihilation of Israel.

I don't think that's different. I don't think you can say that you know what it means, actually,

because you don't know what's in people's hearts. So why don't we just deal with the facts?

Maybe some people mean it. I know it's in their mouths. I know it's in their minds.

But I'm not, look, you'll never hear me say that. You will hear me say as I'm confused by what

the definitions are. So let's go through this. You've appealed to Genesis. Genesis 15 says it's

Abram. It's pre-Abraham. It's Abram. Receives from God the news that his descendants will inherit

the land, and you tell me as the theologian, if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates

to the Nile. I think that's right. And that would include basically the entire Middle East.

That would be the Levant, so that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. It would also be

big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. I'm not sure it would go that far. I mean, it would be a

big piece of land, but here's the point. It would be a lot of places that are now countries

that this particular area that we're talking about now, Israel, is a land that God gave through

Abraham to a people that he chose. It was a people, a place, and a purpose. We can look at it that

way. Christian Zionism. I want to go back, because that's where we started. I'm not going to let

you off on this, because you have gone at three times that God gave this land to this people,

and so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask, what land are you talking about? Because I

just read Genesis 15, as I have many times. And that land, I think it says, from the Nile to the Euphrates,

which is, once again, basically the entire Middle East. So God gave that land to his people,

the Jews, or he didn't. You're saying he did. What does that mean? Does Israel have the right

to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis. You're saying that's the original deed.

It would be fine if they took it all, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here today.

What would be fine? Well, it's exactly what we're talking about today. But here's what I don't

think it would be fine if the state of Israel took over. They don't want to take it over. They're

not asking to take it over. But you're saying that the reason that Israel is legitimate, has this

inherent right to exist, is in part because God gave it to his people. And I am going to the same

Bible that you're referring to and noticing that that is a huge piece of land. So if God gave

them that land, then they have a right to take it now by your definition, unless I'm missing

something. I think you're missing something because they're not asking to go back to take all of

that, but they are asking to at least take the land that they now occupy. They now live in. They

now own legitimately. And it is a safe haven for them. Well, I asked though, as because you're

appealing, you're explaining what Christians, Zionism is, and your theological beliefs.

And you think you just said it would be fine with you if the state of Israel took all of

those of all of Syria, all of Lebanon. That's that's really not exactly what I'm trying. I'm asking

is that what she said. I thought that's what you just said. It was somewhat of a hyperbolic

statement in that, you know, if that's what you feel like that we're talking about, but it isn't.

We're talking about this land that Israel, the state of Israel now lives in and wants to have peace

in. They're not trying to take over Jordan. They're not trying to take over Syria. They're not

trying to take over Iraq or anywhere else. But they do want to protect their people.

No, they're not trying to take over Lebanon. But you're saying that as a religious man as a Christian,

a Christian Zionist, you agree with a lot of religious communities here in Israel that the

justification for this country is theological. It's a contract between God and His people.

And I'm telling you that that contract includes a tract of land that is much larger than the

current nation state. So you may be a bigger Zionist than even the Jews are that live in. I'm

trying to understand the implications of your theology for geopolitics because you're saying that

the present government of Israel has a moral right to take over what are now other people's

countries. No, I didn't say that. Then what are you saying? I'm simply saying that the people who

live in Israel, I think have a right to have security, have safety. They have a right to be able

to live in this land that they have a connection to for 30. I told myself when I said a prayer

that will not get annoyed, but as someone who is the father of daughters, when I see

child molesters hiding in Israel and escaping American justice, I think I have a right to safety

in my country too. So you can understand that I think most people feel they have a right to safety.

I do think Israel has a right to safety and I hope that for them and I'm sincere, but I'm an

American and I have a right to safety in my country too, but you do, and I think so, but I just

want to get to this point. If Israel were to say God gave us in Genesis 15, all of Lebanon,

all of Syria, all the way up to Iraq, would that be legitimate in your view? I don't think in

this particular day and time they're asking for it. Would it be legitimate? I'm not sure that

it would be. Why? Because you just said that. Well, God, because I think that there is an understanding

that the people of Israel today, now, if they end up getting attacked by all these places and they

win that war and they take that land and okay, that's a whole other discussion. But you and I

started talking about something simple, Christian Zionism. It turns out it's not true. Because I

don't, the core of Christian Zionism you said and I'm quoting you is the understanding, the belief,

the theological understanding that Jews have a moral and legal, we went through the legal

moral driving from the biblical promises in our Bible, which we share with the Jewish people,

the first part of the New Old Testament, that it derives from God's promise to the Jews.

And so I have two questions. What are the borders of that? And who are those people in 2026?

And you're not the first person I've asked, but you're the most reasonable, most gentle,

most theologically informed person. So I'm really hoping for an answer. The first question was

the borders I can't get an answer, those borders are. So I'm going to give up. But the second question

is every bit is pressing, which is, who are the people? Who are the modern, yes, who are the

descendants? So we know, and I believe, and I agree with you, as a Christian, that God promised

this land from modern day Iraq to modern day Egypt to this people, the Jews, to Abrams, actually,

not to Abrams descendants, as it says in Genesis 15. Who are his descendants now? And how do we know

who they are? I think they're the Jews and we know who they are because they've always been a

Jewish people. There has been an unbroken line of Jewish people. And they've lived in this land

for 3,800 years. Sometimes not very many of them because they were chased out all over the world.

They were hunted down. They were almost annihilated during the Holocaust. They came back to this day,

Tucker, they represent, you know how many Jews there are in a whole world? Please understand.

First of all, the greatest genocide of Jews, no one ever mentions, was by the Romans where they

were literally banned from Jerusalem for 500 years. Yeah, of course. And it's all awful. And I'm

opposed to all of that. I'm opposed to mass killing of anybody, period. I'm opposed to hear you say

that. I mean it. Yeah. I believe that. I believe that. My question is, and it's not a bumper sticker

answer, a sincere answer, how do we know? Because what you're saying is that certain people have a

title to a highly contested region. They own it in some deep sense. So I think it's fair to ask,

who are they? And how do we know? So the current Prime Minister's ancestors weren't from here

within recorded history. He has no deed. Bebe Netanyahu, on one side, his family is from Poland.

They're from Eastern Europe. So how do we know that he has a connection to the people

who God promised the land to Abrams descendants? How do we know that? Well, if you take the

genealogies that come not only from the Old, but the New Testament, you see that there is a historical

connection through the entirety of the Old and the New Testament that details the Jewish connection

to this land. Does that include these family? How do we know that if his family was shattered?

But how do we know it's the same people? How do you know? Why is that crazy? If you say to me,

if they speak the same language, if they worship the same God, if they follow the same Bible,

if they follow the same cultures and traditions, and they always pray next year in Jerusalem,

and they pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and they pray facing towards Jerusalem, does that not give

you a little bit of a clue as to who they are? Let's go through those things, because I would like

to have a rational conversation. I've wanted, bless you. Thank you for doing this. Let's just go

through those things. Okay. So one of the things I admire most about Israel is they resurrected a

dead language in 1948. Good for them. Well, they really didn't resurrect it. It was

existent. Okay. I'm not that's not it, but that's a compliment. I'm not slightly. No, no, but it

is the first time in all of human history that a language has survived through this length of time.

It's it's I would call it you might not, but I would call it a miracle. One of many. Okay,

then you can. I think it's wonderful as someone who loves language.

Netanyahu's parents did not speak Hebrew. Okay, they didn't live in this region. Netanyahu,

the founders of this country were mostly secular. Some of them were of out atheists. They were not

praying for the peace of Jerusalem. They weren't praying at all because they didn't believe in God.

There's no genealogy linking their families to the people of this land three thousand years ago.

They're not. So how do we know since they didn't share language, they didn't share a religion,

they had no religion whatsoever. How do we know that they had a right to come here from

Eastern Europe and but they were stator land. They were scattered to Eastern Europe. They were

scattered all over the world. There were many in Ethiopia. They were in Russia. They were in Poland.

They were throughout Asia. Jews were all over the place, but they were still Jews, but they were

still Jews. Okay, so then let me get to the nub of the question. Since again, a lot is it

take a lot of money as it's take. Land is very valuable. Israel is a lot of resources. By the way,

if you're accused of crime, you can hide here. That's pretty good passport to have. It's a good thing,

right? So who's entitled to it? I don't understand and you're very discouraged in the United States from

asking this question for some reason. It's a totally rational, not discouraged. You're not discouraging.

Yeah, others do. You're like the only person I can have this conversation with,

devil's be like, shut up, Nazi. It's a foundational question.

Are you speaking of an ethnic group or a religious group? Well, I think you're looking at, for many

people, it is religious. There are people who may not have a deep religious connection to Judaism,

but they're still Jews. Okay, so it's an ethnic category. It is ethnic, but it is also religious.

It is rooted in religion. You can't take it out of it. Now that means there's how can an atheist

tell you this. There are some people who say, I'm Christian. They never go to church. They never

pray. They never read their Bible. They don't tithe. But they're not entitled to citizenship

on the basis of that. They're not entitled to it. They still call themselves Christian,

even though they identify in that way. Here's the difference. You're saying that people who have

this identification have a deed to a huge chunk of land on the Mediterranean. Okay? So there's

you know, it's a, it's a right. You keep telling me it's a right. And so it's totally fair to

say, if you come to my house and say, I've got the title to your house, I get to ask, may I see it?

Where'd you get it? And that's exactly what happened here. People from Europe, Eastern Europe,

came here in a lot of cases, atheists, and kicked out a lot of people who lived here. Well,

but they did not just throw people out there. They bought a lot of land. There's no question about

that lot of land. But they also, in 1940, kicked out a lot of people in the war. It was a war.

I agree. I'm just saying it's a fact, including a lot of Christians, a lot of Christians

wound up fleeing, and they lost their homes. And they've never been allowed back. And all of this

was justified on the basis of this identity that forms the ticket to the right that you keep

referring to. So my question is very simple. I'm going to wait patiently for an answer.

Does this right derive from religious affiliation or from genetics? And I would say it's both.

But I would also say that when you said that Christians were kicked out, Tucker, Christianity

is growing in Israel. Okay. And there is a big lie that goes out there. But no, let me finish this

because I keep hearing that Christians are really not treated well in Israel. That's simply,

that's a lie. Well, there are lots of different. There were 34,000 Christians in Israel in 1948.

There are 184,000 Christians here today. And by Israel, what are you counting? You've

talked about the land. What territory are you counting? I'm talking about Israel proper. Are you

counting about Israel? West Bank as well. And Gaza. I mean, what do you say Israel? Those numbers

apply to what landmass? It would be in Israel proper. Okay. There are 184,000. Now I'll tell you

where Christians are not doing very well. They're not doing very well in the Muslim control countries.

There's almost no Christians in Qatar, for example, except those who live in the Christian ghetto,

who are the service workers. I'm sorry. I don't want to argue with you. There are many more

Christians in Qatar than there are in Israel. That's not true. It actually is true. And I refer

you to Wikipedia, Mr. Ambassador. Wikipedia. I refer you to the government of Qatar, the government

of Israel. These are noble facts. And I'm in Jordan, by the way, the numbers are down in Syria,

the numbers are down. And let us say numbers are down. There are. There are. About twice as many

Christians, but they live in the enclave. They are not native Qataris. Okay. We're mixing so many

different categories here. I'm just saying, I get things wrong all the time. You've just gotten

something wrong. And I think it's important to acknowledge it. There are many more Christians

in Qatar than there are in Israel. Fact. How many? Now you caught me. I don't know. I can look at my

phone, but I was just there and they're many more like whatever. But I just want to get to the

point that forms the basis of this whole conversation, which is who has a right to the land?

And you said it's a mixture of religion and ethnicity. Because as I noted and you agree,

many of the founders, maybe the majority of the founders of modern Israel did not believe in

Qatar at all. So they were not religious Jews. They weren't religious at all. They were atheists.

So they were atheists, I believe them. So that suggests it's ethnic. But it's also true as you

well know, because there's a famous court case about this, that ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity

do not have the right of return. That was settled by the Israeli Supreme Court.

I'm very confused. So that would suggest it's not ethnicity because you invalidate your

Jewishness by converting to Christianity. There are a number of Messianic Jews who live in Israel.

I'm aware of that number. But you're not contesting what I'm saying because it's a very famous

court case. The right of return has to do with your mother, your grandmother. It has to do with

family. So it's ethnic. There's a lot of... Sure, ethnicity is a big part of the right of return.

Great. To make Alayah, then to come to Israel, then live here. Then if both of your parents are

Jewish and you have an ethnic right to land, you are one of Abrams descendants.

But you convert to Christianity. How is it you don't have the right to return?

I'm totally confused. But I know a number of people who have returned as Christians,

but have Jewish history. Are you saying that Jews who convert to Christianity have a right,

a legal right to return? Because I know that they do. When you say do they have a right to return,

do they prove it's a legal category as an end of government, which is by their family history,

their grandmother, their mother, and there are many aspects of that. I've read it. I think that

I know that these are Jewish people who are Christian. And they came here, made Alayah. They had

Jewish blood, Jewish history. They were Christian, Messianic, but they came here, and they were

welcomed here. And they were given full legal rights. Absolutely. In a passport. So clearly,

that's not true that you invalidate your right of return by converting to Christianity.

That's just false. I'm not aware of that. I know that there are a number of Christians here.

I got a church with Christians every week here. Of course. And you have a right to come and say,

I am an ethnic Jew, even though I practice Christianity. Therefore, I have every bit as much right

to move into a settlement in the West Bank or into East Jerusalem or anywhere I want.

Galilee anywhere, because I'm returning to the land of my forefathers. I'm a legal right in

the state of Israel, even though I've converted to Christianity. You're saying that's true?

I'm saying I know people have done it. Now, can I tell you what the law specifically?

I'm not sure. Well, it's really significant. I don't have any Jewish roots, so therefore,

I cannot quote you the law. If you want me to do that, I'll look at it. Well, it really matters

because you're saying, in fact, people in the United States are being called anti-Semites,

a lot of them, including me, because they somehow don't believe that Israel has a right to this land.

Do you think Israel has a right to this land? No, you haven't defined what the land is,

and you haven't defined to Israel. I don't really have that. So I really don't know

if it is the land they're living in now, the borders that they have. The borders are moving.

The borders have moved in the last year. What do you mean the borders have moved in the last year?

They are the 1967 borders. I'm including, you know, the West Jerusalem and just today in

Samaria. What are the borders of Judea and Samaria? Well, you basically take the Jordan River,

and it's west of the Jordan River, to the Mediterranean Sea, to the Lebanon border,

and Israel did have control of the Sinai. They gave that to Egypt. They had control of it.

No, I gave it away in 1979 in the peace agreement.

But okay. So whatever you call it, the land that was taken from Jordan in 1967,

and you call it Judea and Samaria, there's a significance to that that I don't fully understand

against it. It's the biblical. It's the biblical. 80% of the Bible happened in Judea and Samaria.

But we've also established that the Bible gives Jews the right to occupy the land from the now to

the Euphrates. So I'm very confused by why we've shrunk the land and why we're digital has shrunk

the land. They have made that decision. That's why they gave away now. Now it's the part for the real

last things. Abrams descendants are the ones who have the right to have this land, correct? Yes.

Okay. Why don't we do genetic testing on everybody in the land and find out who Abrams descendants are?

It's really simple. We've cracked the human genome. We can do that. Why don't we do that?

Would you be against doing that? I have no idea what that would prove. I mean, maybe it would be.

What do you mean? It would prove who Abrams descendants are and who has a right to live here and

who doesn't according to the theology that you yourself just explained. And so I'm very confused

as to why we don't do that. If you believe the theology that you've just explained to me,

would we do that all over the world? Well, this is the only country in the world that you've said

has this covenant with God that this people have a moral and legal right to the land. What about

people who convert to Judaism? Would they have a right? Well, you've just, you've just said that

there are not Judaism. So you just told them they can make olio they may not have you've just told me

that it doesn't matter. You told me moments ago, trying to keep track, that it doesn't matter

whether or not you believe in God or whether or not you practice Torah Judaism or rabbinic Judaism,

which is something else that I don't even know if we should, I don't even know what that means. But

it doesn't matter whether you're quote a religious Jew or not. What matters is that you are part of

the Jewish people to whom God gave this land that extends from the Nile to the Euphrates.

And so if you believe that, wouldn't you want to know with a burning passion who those people are

and because of science, we can now know who those people are. So why aren't we finding out?

I guess you could propose a DNA test for everybody who comes here, everybody who lives here.

But I'm comfortable with secular nation states where it's none of this is done on the basis of

blood. I'm uncomfortable with that. I'll just say that. But there are people who may not have

bloodlines but who have converted to Judaism. Are they going to be able to live here? Are you going

to kick them out? By your standards? They can't live here because you just told me that they have

a right to live here because God gave them the land because they're the descendants of Abraham.

They're the descendants of Abraham. But if they're the spiritual descendants of Abraham and they've

now decided that they're converting to Judaism, then do they have a right to live in Israel?

Well, there's a whole legal literature in Israel on that question. And my understanding

is that certain types of modern Judaism qualify a person and other types don't.

Is that your understanding? I don't believe that people converted and I could have this wrong.

But I know people who face this person and people. I don't believe people who've converted

in a reform synagogue have the right of return. I don't think that it's because I know people

who've married into Jewish families and they find out they don't have the right of return.

So that is perplexing to me. I know my experience is a little different than yours. I know people

who have definite Jewish connections, family relations, but now they're Christian.

Some are not necessarily practicing Jews. They're more secular Jews as you've discussed.

But they come back here. Okay, I'm not against that. I'm just wondering since you

have, since you began this conversation by asking me, did I think they had a right to come here?

Yeah, my question was on what basis do they have the right? And you said because God granted it

to them. And I also said because there should be a land where Jews can live in peace and safety.

I asked you what a Jew was and you couldn't answer it. You said it partly is religious,

but it doesn't have to be. It's partly genetic, but it doesn't have to be. And so that you

can see why I think I was very clear that being Jewish is an identification either through

blood or through faith that you're Jewish. It may be that you're a blood Jew, but you don't

necessarily practice Judaism, just like there are people who say they're Christian, but they don't

do a thing to demonstrate what Christians do. There are a lot of bad Christians, including me

some of the time, a lot of the time. But I don't have a right to real estate on the basis of my claim

of Christ. You don't have a right to real estate if you're talking about a specific parcel.

But if you're talking about a land, I think what we're talking about is that's all I'm saying.

And there was a designation to the family of nations of the world that there would be a Jewish

homeland. Let's get to that point because I think you've taken us on several trails here and I'm

not sure we can follow them all, but is there a reason that the Jewish people that represent,

and I want to get back to this because you didn't let me finish well ago, they represent 0.2%

of the world's population. In the entire of the world, there are about 16 million Jews total,

and 8 million of them live here. The rest live mostly in New York or South Florida and a few other

places. Okay. So this is a small population of people. They have connection to this land,

historically, biblically. Do they? Yes, they do. If BBs, family, we know they lived in Eastern Europe.

There's no evidence they ever lived here. He's not religious, but essentially,

but how do we know? Do you have his family tree now? We don't. Do you? He doesn't. So no one does.

That's the point. So how do we know that his if they are true and if there has been a practice of

Judaism and a connection to the language, the Bible, the land? His ancestors didn't. He doesn't

practice Judaism in any rigorous way. His ancestors didn't, if you're they didn't speak the language,

and there's no evidence they ever lived here. So on what basis does he ever write to Peter?

He speaks the language. He has fought for the land. His family has fought for the land.

No, I'm not very obvious question, which is where does this right come from? And the reason it's

meaningful is because there are a lot of people in the territory that Israel controls today,

particularly in the West Bank, who through genetic testing, we can know their families have been

here for thousands of years. We don't know whether they practice Judaism, whether they were

Samaritan's pre-Islam. We don't know that. A lot of them we know have been Christians for two

thousand years. They have less of a right to the land than someone whose ancestors, the only

thing we know about them is they lived in Latvia or Poland, their Eastern European. How does that

work? They're Jewish. By what definition? They're Jewish by their, but how do we know they have any

message? They're Jewish by their faith. They're Jewish by the connection to the language, Jewish by

the connection to the Torah. But how do we know that babies, specifically babies, ancestors,

ever lived here? How do we know that? I'm not sure if I understand your question. How do we know

if the Prime Minister of Israel's ancestors ever lived? Maybe I could ask you, how do we know they

didn't? It's on the basis of the claim that they did that all kinds of things happen. People are

displaced. There's a money flow. I mean, it's a big question. A lot hangs on this. It's not some

theoretical thing like, oh, you know, do my grandparents do this or do that? It's like, no, no,

we have a right to be here because my ancestors were here. Okay. How do we know they were here?

I'm totally unable to process what you're trying to get at. It goes back

to Jewish people have any land on this planet that should be theirs. I feel that way about all

peoples. I feel that way about Jewish people. I feel that way about it. Okay. Then you don't mind

them having this. Is there any country? Let me ask you this bluntly. Is there any country

that European peoples have a right to exclusively? I think they have attained their land through

conquest. I mean, let's ask ourselves. Have they ever written a tender land through conquest?

No, they've always been there. The Romans, the Greeks. No, let's speak. No, no. Well, you could

certainly say that here. The Romans, the Romans controlled this, as you know, and they expelled

they don't anymore. Jerusalem. Amen. I want them to control it. Hope. I mean, it's

I Roman. Okay. We're on the same page. Okay. But my question is very simple. Is there any European

peoples that possesses the same right to their land that the Jews, including people whose ancestors

lived in Eastern Europe, possess here? The Britons we know, the British people, the Scandinavian people,

the Irish people. Their ancestors have been there for thousands of years. That's provable

through genetic testing. Do they have a right to their land exclusively? Is anyone saying they don't?

Yes. Of course. Yes. No one will say they will. And I'm asking you, do they have that right?

And I'm not sure what, what that question involves because no one is trying to force them out of

their land, of their homes. But here, you had people, why won't you answer that question?

Just because I just did. So the Europe, so the Irish people have the same right to their land

that the Jews have a biblical connection. Okay. But I'm a, I'm a Bible believer. Okay. So that is

it's also a principle. And that is, and you've said it 15 sometimes people have land because they

they were able to attain it through war. They were able to attain it when it was challenged. I

understand that. There's all kinds of conflict. But we can't say that about the Irish borders change

all the time. Not actually the borders of the island of England have not changed. Not the nor

but the Ireland. Those are just two examples. So you've got the indigenous people there. Do they

have a moral right to that as their homeland? And I think they would probably say, yes, we do

because we have ancient history do it. I've never thought about whether or not that I'm raising

the question and you spend a lot of time thinking about the right of the Jewish people to their

homeland. Do the Irish have the same right to a homeland? As long as they can defend it,

and as long as they, you know, as long as they can defend it. The Tucker here's the point.

I'm telling you, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now you just flip, you're the minister here.

Yeah, and I'm telling you that you can defend it. And if they can't defend it,

why don't you tell you that I think that what is very, very special here is that there is a

biblical as well as an ethnic and a historical. So you can take anyone, but if you add them all

together, biblical, historical and ethnic, you have a very strong case that the Jewish people are

living in a land that is indigenous to them, that has been their historic homeland for 3,800 years.

You can repeat it as well. And you can also look in the archaeology, the stones cry out.

Okay. You've been to the city of David, for example. I have. Okay. So you know then that,

and I love that. It's amazing place. It may be the greatest archaeological discovery in all of

history because it's stunning. And they still continue to find things that date the Jewish people

to this land archaeologically for 3,800 years. We can, we can date the Britain, the British people to

their land much longer, much thousands of years longer. Stonehenge is 3,000 years older than any

building built by the descendants of Abram in this country. And so I just, it's fine. Yeah.

I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's right. I'm just wanting you to affirm that right, but it makes

you uncomfortable and you won't. And I don't know why. Because I've never honestly sat down and asked

myself, are the lines around the, it's an IIT. So we know what the lines are. I'm saying, but are those

lines, are those rooted in something other than the historical connection? Well, great. Then they

should have it. But that's a question. But then you said if they can defend it, and if they can't

defend it, they lose the right. But I didn't say it was exclusive one of the other. I think you're

really going off the drain. I just want to know if these principles apply universally or if they

only apply to the people of Israel. We, my answer appears to be just the people of Israel. They're

the only ones with these rights. And I just reject that. I didn't say that. But I'm saying we are

talking about Israel. We're in Israel. We're talking about Christian Zionism because you've made

some disparaging statements about Christian Zionist. You've apologized for them for which I appreciate.

And now we're trying to define Christian and Zionist. And it seems like we've gone way, way off of

that. As you suggested as a former debater at the outset, I'm trying to get to terms and a

common understanding of what the words mean. And the term Christian. And I'm no closer to that than

I, than I was when I began. You're not closer to the term of Christian. What that means?

I think it's someone who follows Jesus. And that's my next question. There are a lot of Christians

in the West Bank. And there were a fair amount of Christians in Gaza. And some of them have been

killed. There were 5,000 in Gaza. Yeah. Yeah. And two different churches were hit by the IDF.

Christian hospitals hit seven times by the IDF. And I don't understand. They were not hit seven

times. They were there were different. I know. And one of the times it was a rocket that was shot

by Hamas. And all the news agencies reported that the IDF shot the rocket. They said the IDF ever

hit the hospital or the churches. They did. Well, accidentally because and they apologize for it.

And it was very unfortunate. But they also, you've got to remember, there were times Hamas often

hid caches of arms under hospitals. You bothered by the fact that the IDF

hit Christians. I'm bothered that anyone got killed in Gaza. But you know why I'm bother

a Christian? Because here's the thing. Can't say that the Christians are Islamic extremists.

No, but I can say that I would expect you to decide with the Christians over the secular

government of Israel. But I would look at it even more broadly. I would ask you this.

Why was there so much suffering and continues to be suffering in Gaza? It's because

Hamas, which could have built a Singapore, built a Haiti. They had a land mass, the size of

Las Vegas. They built tunnels underneath that are larger than the London underground over 500

miles of tunnels. They didn't build it to move people from one hospital to the other,

one marketplace to the other. But to hide terrorists, to hide weaponry. And on October 7th,

they went over that and they massacred 1200 civilians. Massacred, mutilated, humiliated them.

You're never going to get me to defend Hamas. Sorry. Please don't. I'm not going to.

But I'll tell you. I'm appalled by it. How many civilians have been killed by the IDF in Gaza?

We don't know. We know why we don't know. What's your guess?

Well, the only numbers we have come from this dubious entity called the Gaza Health

Ministry. You know who that is? Well, what is it? Israel have some kind of count on it.

We also know that a lot of the people who were killed were in fact warriors. Sadly,

how many kids were killed? We don't know. What's your guess? I don't know. I'm sure it was thousands

and it's thousands. That wasn't any kids were killed. Some of the kids who were killed had been

recruited to be in the military. Kids as young as 14 years old. Did you hear yourself? I wonder.

I just said that there were kids as young as 14 that were recruited to be Hamas soldiers

who were given arms. How do you feel about the kids being killed? I think it's horrible.

You know what? I also think it's horrible. I think it's horrible. The 1200 people were slaughtered

by people across the border. I put 252 people were taken hostage. 48 of the 1200 were Americans.

We agree more. And then when all lives equin Hamas could have ended this on October the 8th

and given all the hostages up. They didn't leaving no choice. You're never going to get me to

defend Hamas. I hope not. Not pro Hamas. I totally opposed to slaughtering in us since whether

Hamas does it or whether the government of Israel does it in much larger numbers. And the reason I'm

opposed to it is because I'm a Christian and I believe that all souls are created by God. I

did. Do not disagree with that whole heartedly. But I said how many children have been killed?

Or a horrible thing. Period. And we don't know. We know that a lot of the numbers were reported

but you said you think thousands of children have been killed. Yeah. And a lot of times you know

why they got killed because Hamas would gather up the children and put them in the targets. Do

you know what Israel does? They send page messages and they send texts to every cell phone in Gaza

and they say we're going to hit this particular target. They drop leaflets and they announce where

they're going to hit. Nobody does that. US doesn't do that. Israel does that in order to prevent

this. They do this in order to prevent civilian casualties. What Hamas does, they say oh this is

the target. And by gunpoint they push people into those various places. And then when people get

killed they say look Israel just slaughtered these people even though it was Hamas who moved them

into harm's way knowing that it was going to put them in a place of danger and death and destruction

and they do that because they don't care. You say you care about life, I care about life.

It's interesting that they don't care about life. I'm not saying that the boss does. You're never

going to get me to defend Hamas. I'm good. I'm anti-Hamas. You said that three times and I believe

your dig at the United States is very revealing. Why is it revealing? Because your priorities are

very clear. No, no, no. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. And is it American permit me a moment

of outrage because I said many civilians have been killed. You said right in the middle of your

elaborate defense of the IDF's killing of civilians, including children, you said they do a better

job than the United States does. That's my country and my government. It's my country.

What flag am I wearing here? Well, I'm asking why is it flagging my wearing? Well, that's of course

my flag as well. And it's my flag. It's who I serve. So why the dig at the United States in the

middle? It's not a dig at them. No, no, no, no. You've totally misrepresented that. What did you

mean by that? I did not take a dig at the US. What I'm saying is the IDF is more humane than the US.

I'm saying no Terry. No, I'm not. I'm just saying that Israel takes steps that we don't take and

no other country that I'm aware of takes to try to prevent. Because no matter what Israel does,

they're going to get accused of genocide. That may be right. And I'm I'm just telling you that they

then let me ask you on that question. I'm, you know, I that's such a politically loaded. But I

resent the idea that you think that I'm not loyal to the US or that I'm not saying you're not loyal.

I'm merely noting what you just said, which was that the IDF takes greater pains in the US.

Our military does to spare civilian lives. And I guess my question is when was the last time the

US military killed this many civilians? Do you know? Well, it could have been Nagasaki Hiroshima.

Could have been Iraq, Afghanistan. We don't know the full number. And I think most Christians would

say all of those things were atrocities because innocents were killed in large numbers and we don't

believe in that. And so that's not really a defense, is it? I don't know. It's a horrible thing,

Tucker. And there are people who end up unfortunately being killed that shouldn't have been.

I would tell you that I wish that none of those people in Gaza had been killed after October.

Well, I say not none of it. I'm glad Mohamed Sinwar was killed. I'm glad that some of those

warriors, the people who masterminded and carried out the atrocities like four or several

Hamas operatives. How do you feel with their deaths? If they participated in that, then God

help them. I'm telling you what is that? I don't know that they have there were 14 years. No,

but I'm telling you that when someone commits the acts of atrocity and then they hold hostages,

if these were your children being held hostage in Gaza, what would you do to get them out?

I wouldn't want to kill 14 year olds. I'll tell you that. Let me ask you something. Would you

do whatever it took to get your kids back if they were being tortured, raped, starred, and beaten?

I would not kill children, period. Well, I'm just telling you that you would never make excuses

for killing children either. And I'm not talking about targeting children. I'm talking about

told me that 14 year olds deserve to die because they're working for him. I'm telling you,

my question is can you hear yourself? I do hear myself. So do you think a 14 year old child has

agency? Do you think that he deserves to die because he's being used by adults? Isn't his death a

crushing tragedy? If he's holding a gun and he's pointing it at someone who's trying to save a hostage

and the only way to save that hostage, I'm telling you it war is a horrible thing. It's a

horrible thing. And a lot of it. I think one of the things war is a horrible thing. No, no, no,

I think what you don't. I'm trying to explain how horrible it is and you're saying that the 14 year

old deserve to die. We don't execute 14 year olds. You're putting words in my mouth that I

don't know what you're saying. You never said deserve to die. Okay. I say there are people who die

that is unfortunate. Okay. But I'm saying that you are not giving Israel credit for having done

everything they possibly could to a level that quite frankly in urban warfare. There has never been

a war that has criticized Israel, but it's a foreign country. And I would much rather criticize

a foreign country than my own feel free to do that. They can have a pivoted against

our country. No, I said it is really a better job than our military. No, I simply gave

you the illustration and I helped you understand that Israel goes to links that no other country

including ours goes to in the middle of an urban war. And yet Israel ended up with fewer civilian

deaths in an urban war than any urban war of recorders. You said you didn't know how many

civilian deaths there were. So how can you say that? If you took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers,

you said you would know what the numbers are. We don't just told me that then how can you say it's

a lower number? But if you took the numbers that they reported, which is like 50,000, 24,

25,000 of those were actual warriors. How many civilians if you if you took all those range from

a hundred and twenty to seventy eight those ones I just read. I don't know if that's real. I don't

know either. I mean, you and I'm selling those numbers. I've not heard, have not read the numbers

that I think are more reportable or somewhere in the 60,000 range. Where do those most from

from the Gaza health ministry? Which is those most valid numbers. I think they are. I don't think

that they're accurate, but I'm saying let's just say they're inaccurate, but they prove that

Israel's doing great job. This is assumed that the most widespread numbers, the largest numbers

that have been reported out of Gaza by Hamas. Yes. Let's assume they're true.

That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are true, but assume they're true. Let's just

take them at their work. Then you still have a lower number of civilians killed in any urban

warfare environment in modern history. In fact, is that a fact? Yes. What are you comparing it to?

To any urban war, a Iraq, where in Afghanistan? Where in Iraq? Where in Afghanistan? There

are many urban areas in Afghanistan. I don't think there was any fighting in urban areas in

Afghanistan. Kabul? I don't know. Was there, was there, were there pitch battles in Kabul

for long periods of time? I don't 20 years in Kabul. I don't throughout all of Afghanistan. But what

was, what were those rates? You're talking about what are the rates there? You just the number of

people who were killed in the tens of thousands. I'm asking you to, I don't know the answer. I

never could have any of this. You brought it up. You said the IDF has killed a lower proportion

of civilians in urban warfare than in any urban conflict in modern history. I'd never heard that

before. I don't know what your, what are the controls for that? And you said, well, Mary,

the US military killed more civilians. Would you agree that the real tragedy was that Hamas continued

to force this war? Hold on. You just won the, again, said that the IDF is more humane than

the United States military. You just said that. You said in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military

killed more civilians than the IDF did in Gaza. You just told me, I never heard that before.

And my question is, how do you know that? What are those numbers? And I'm trying to explain

to you that there were extraordinary efforts to keep the number of numbers to you. I think

there were tens of thousands. I'll get them for you. Well, you brought it up. That's the only

reason I'm pushing you. But you, I'm wearing a flag. I've worked for a country and you pretended

are alleged that somehow I'm not loyal to this and I'm criticizing it. I'm thinking I'm

better job than the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I said, what are the numbers? And you

said, I don't know. So on what basis are you making the claim that the IDF in Gaza spared more

civilians than the US Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan and Iraq? Why are you saying that?

Like on what basis are you saying that? From the conversations that I've had with the people

who fought there. And I don't have the exact numbers for you. But what I'm trying to help you to

understand and I don't think you're willing to go there is that there was no desire to kill people

indiscriminately in Gaza. I don't think there was any desire to kill people indiscriminately

in Iraq, Afghanistan. Let me just say I think I know a bunch of people serve in the IDF and I don't

believe your average IDF soldier wants to kill innocents. I just want to be really clear about that.

I don't think most soldiers want to do that. Yeah. I think a lot of them in our country in Israel

wind up doing that because that's what war is about and it really hurts them. I know people who've

done it personally know them really well and it like wrecks their lives. But I don't think your

average soldier wants that in this country or any other. The leadership is a different question

and I want to refer you very specifically to a number of speeches. The Prime Minister, your friend

Benjamin Netanyahu gave in the aftermath of October 7th, including one in November of that year

when he referred to Amalek. Now Amalek is a reference, a biblical reference of course you'll

be very familiar with that. The Amalekites were a tribe described throughout the Bible particularly

in First Samuel that obstructed the Jews as they fled Egypt. And God tells Samuel to give the

instructions to Saul to kill the Amalekites. And he says, and I'm sure you remember this,

this is in First Samuel 15, of course I'm sure. No, you know it. He says kill the men, kill the

women, kill the children, kill the infants, kill the donkeys, kill the camels, kill everything.

And Saul spares the king and he spares the animals. And for that he lukes, he is punished by God.

That is genocide. God is calling for genocide of the Amalekites of Amalek. And the Prime Minister

of Israel at least once I believe on other occasions described the Palestinians in Gaza as Amalek.

That's calling for genocide. And you know that. I totally disagree. How many than what it means?

Because to say that Israel was attempting to commit genocide, first of all, that's simply not true.

I'm saying, I'm saying, what is the Prime Minister talking about? Why would he refer to the Palestinians

as Amalek? What is Amalek? You would have to ask him. I don't know. I know what Amalek is. I do

understand. First Samuel 16. I get all that. First Samuel 15. But I do understand. And it's widely

known. So if you say our enemy is Amalek and we are proceeding on the basis of God's commands to us,

you are calling for genocide. Tell me how I'm missing. Because if Israel wanted to commit genocide,

they could have done it into an hour. We can debate what's happened in Gaza an hour. I'm asking

you why the leader of this country asked him, well, what do you think? I don't know. Does that

bother you at all? People. I don't know what he meant. I don't know if it was an illustrative metaphor.

I think what he was saying was that we're not going to let anything keep us from getting our

hostages back. Their sons and their daughters who were being brutalized, raped, tortured, starved,

beaten. Come on, Mr. Messos. There are many examples of justice in the Bible. But there are very

good accused of genocide regularly. I'm not accusing Israel of anything. I'm saying that the prime

minister of Israel described the palace. Do you think he'd come up to do genocide? I'm asking

why of all the references in the Bible. And there are many to justice and there are many to

reconciliation that is a reference to genocide. As you know, killing every man, woman, child,

and infant. I'm quoting and their animals, wiping them from the earth. And when they don't do

that, they're punished. When you say that at the outset of a war, and then you wind up with

massive civilian casualties, maybe not as big as they were in a rock, then I have to ask you,

what is that? And is that kind of thinking consistent with Western values and with Christianity?

Do we as Christians believe it's okay to kill people's children? No, we don't. And neither do

the Israelis because they didn't go after their children. If they'd have wanted to kill all their

children, Tucker, they've got the military capacity. They could have done it in less than a day.

I've heard you say that. I know. I mean, I guess they could have done. Okay, but why didn't they?

Why didn't they? I think there are a lot of decent people in Israel don't want that. But I'm

talking to you. Do you think that the prime minister wanted to wipe out every single person in

Gaza? Do you really think that you think is the US representative of our government? I don't

think that that's what he wanted to do. Why you refer? I had to ask him that. Why? Because I never

saw any evidence, any evidence that Israel tried to wipe out every single person. I just gave you

examples that they tried to save civilian life. But I'm not. I didn't wait. I'm not. As I've said,

and I mean this, I think most soldiers in most armies, including the Israel Defense Force,

don't want to kill civilians. I just don't believe that. I think there are some units. Can I ask

you something? Yes. You platformed a guy. You had him on your show, Tony Aguilar. Don't

platform anyone. Well, you interviewed not a liberal. So I don't platform. Okay. You interviewed

Tony Aguilar who claimed that IDF soldiers killed a little boy in his presence. That didn't

happen. Okay. It did not happen. I don't know if you know whether it happened or not. Well,

I can tell you why I know it didn't happen because we found that little boy less than a week later.

All right. I was involved heavily involved in helping to extricate him from Gaza.

Four different countries were involved in getting he and his mother to safety. Get them out of

there. Tony Aguilar is a liar. Okay. Tony Aguilar claimed that he saw an IDF soldier shoot the

little boy. He was fired from the GHF for cause and he begged for his job back and they

wouldn't give it back because they didn't want him. And he told him that if they didn't give

his job back, that he would burn him down. Okay. Oh, he goes out. No, let me finish this because

it's important for you to understand. Right. So this guy then goes out and makes up this story

that he witnessed IDF soldiers shooting a little boy. I don't know that he made it up.

He seemed to believe it to me. It's possible he's wrong. I've been wrong many times. Well,

this is a little bit more than just missing a fact. He claimed to be an eyewitness to the murder

of a little boy. Okay. A little boy that a week later, we found. And you're sure it's the same

little boy you're absolutely sure. I know that because we have pictures of him. We had descriptions

of him. We know his name. We know his mother. Okay. He was extricated out of Gaza. It was a very

delicate situation to get him out because if a mosque had found out that he was still alive,

they would have killed him in order to validate Aguilar's story. How do you know that? So he gets out.

How do you know a mosque would have killed him? Why would they wouldn't they've wanted to kill him

because that way they could have said that this story was true. Look, I'm just telling you what you're

saying is true. And I have no basis of knowing. Yeah. I'm really glad because I don't want

little kids to get killed even 14 year olds. Okay. You shouldn't want anyone to get killed. But

let me ask you. Is it true? He also made the claim and he had audio of it in video too that

US contractors were using live ammunition to disperse crowds. And he had video of that. Do you know

is did he make up that video? There were times. Here's what happened. Crowds would come toward the

sites. They were given verbal warnings. And then they were given additional verbal warnings. And

shots were fired either in the air, sometimes in the ground. And if they continue to come and threaten,

there were times when there were people who were engaged in in fire fights. That happened.

Oh, they were armed. Sometimes they were. They were. Can you do you know of specific instances

where they were armed? I can probably get you some specific information about. I think I know

the answer to that. I don't think there's any evidence to all that they were armed. But I also

know that are you okay with using live ammunition at aid distribution sites for families,

women and children? Very rarely did this happen here. How about at all? Are you okay with that?

No. I'll tell you what I'm not okay with. No, no, no. I think you are so trying to put words in

my mouth. You said that they were firing back. But then there's no evidence that they were on a

Sunday afternoon. I can remember when there was widespread reports on BBC CNN in New York Times.

And they said that 27 people were killed at a feeding site. We had video extensively over that

site. Not one single person, not only were they not shot, nobody was shot at. There was not one

bit of violence that happened at that feeding site. Trying to get me to defend BBC.

Not going to do that. It's like defending Hamas. I agree with you. I don't believe anything I

see in the media. It's just that it's really simple. If people are using, and these were American

contractors, by these are not Israelis. I'm aware of American contractors run by some crypto

minister or something was running the group. If they're using a live ammunition at an aid

distribution site, that strikes me as totally unacceptable. They were not firing at some

acceptable to you. They were not firing with people got killed. There's a way.

Some of those people got killed because Hamas were trying to keep them from getting to the aid

distribution sites because Hamas was controlling the food. Hamas made 500 million dollars

selling the food that was supposed to be given away for free. Defend Hamas. What they were trying

to do is to keep people from going to the sites where they were getting food for free. When we

set GHF up, the first thing that happened. I know, but I'm telling you, the first thing that people

said was, wow, this is the first time we've had food that we got for free. Is it okay to buy an

armed people? I just told you it wasn't. That's awful. Yeah, it's awful. Of course, it's awful.

Are all lives equal? Do you think? Of course they are. So the death of Palestinian is every bit

as important significant as the death is. I wouldn't be. Of course it is. I don't know.

Of course it is. There's no such thing as a human soul that God made that is less valuable than

another. I'm pro-life. I believe that every life has intrinsic worth and value. There's no such

thing as a worthless or a completely disposable life. That's what makes me pro-life, Tucker.

I totally agree. I believe that from the conception until the end of natural life. Why I would never say

when confronted with the death of children war is terrible because it minimizes the death of

those children. It's awful. I don't think it minimizes. I think it is outrageous. It's a terrible thing.

I wish we never had war. Why don't we have war? We're about to have one with Iran. It looks like,

how many Americans do you think we'll die in that war? I hope none. None died last year

when we participated in the 12-day war. Not one. I said 20,000 would die. They didn't. I

said could. And they could have. And they could die now and that's a real risk. How many boots on

the ground do you think the US is supplied for Israel over the course of its life? How many times

have we put soldiers on the ground for Israel? Well, we have the Iraq war, which was for Israel.

I think it was for Israel. How was it for us? Well, because it was a retribution against 9-11.

Now was it the best idea? Was it a rock involved in that one? Our government thought so.

Why are 9-11 documents still classified? I have no idea. Should they be unclassified? I think so.

All of them, right? I have no problem with that. Me too. I like transparency. I like sunlight. I do.

I hope you'll call for that. I like free press. I like free speech. I really like all of that.

But if there was no connect, I've never seen, I'm open to anything, but I've never seen any connection

between the government of Saddam Hussein, the secular, bathist government of Saddam Hussein and

the terror attacks of 9-11. I don't know that there were. I don't know. So I'm not sure, but I don't

know how that happened. So why did we spend that Israel's fault? Well, Benjamin Netanyahu,

now Prime Minister, of course, exerted lots of pressure openly on the US government to take out

to regime change to the Saddam government. I was there. It was in Washington. And they complied.

I don't think there's any way to read it. Do you think Israel leads the US and pushes them and

tells them what to do? Not on everything, of course. But what I think, let me be specific.

I think the Israeli government strongly pushed the United States to take out Saddam Hussein.

Well, there's no question about that. I think the Israeli government right now,

on BB Netanyahu, who's been in the White House seven times in one year, pushing for

regime change in Iran. I think they're on the verge of convincing the administration

to affect regime change. You think the president is weak and is being pushed? You're not saying that.

I know. Well, I know. I know the president's being pushed. Why do you think a foreign leader was

in the White House seven times in one year? Are you okay with that? That's a lot.

You know, Israel is not just a friend or an ally. It is a real partner. We have an incredible

relationship with Israel in intelligence, in in military, in culture, in values,

you know, to be a shock that the Israeli Prime Minister would have that many meetings.

It's a lot. But I want to ask you the question. Do you think President Trump is weak enough to

let BB Netanyahu push him into something that he doesn't want to do? I don't. Look, I think

and I don't know, of course, the answer to the question, including this one. But I think the

president, President Trump really doesn't like nuclear proliferation. And I don't think he wants

Iran to have a bomb. I think he really sincerely. I hope you don't want them to have a bomb.

Want them to have a bomb? I don't want anyone to have a bomb, including Israel. I don't know why

we're okay with Israel having nuclear weapons. I'm not. I'm not okay with Pakistan having them.

I'm not okay with Saudi having them. Israel's nuclear weapons were created, of course, with

nuclear material stolen from the United States from a nuclear plane in Pennsylvania. As I know,

you know, I'm opposed to all of it. I don't like nuclear weapons. It's mass murder as far as I'm

concerned. So no, I don't want Iran to have a bomb. Obviously. The question is what are the

potential costs? And you have to factor that into any decision. And what are the cost if they'd

were to get a nuclear bomb? They've said for 47 years, death to America. Well, I don't think they

target us. I don't think they targeted President Trump specifically. Yeah. They hired a person

for us. Iran, BBC, and Hamas, not defending them. Good. All I'm seeing, we're in agreement on that.

I want our country is not thriving. And we're spending, you know, tens and tens and tens of

billions of dollars over time defending Israel and helping it prosecute. You know where that money

goes? Goes to a lot of places. But let's let's talk about that a minute. $3.8 billion a year.

That money goes right back to the US to purchase weapons systems. For example, every

round of ammo that the IDF shoots is manufactured just outside where I live in Little Rock, Arkansas.

The components, a lot of them for the iron dome and the arrow three missile defense systems

are manufactured near Camden, Arkansas. Which needs it. By the way, Camden's economically

depressed. You know, the area. I do. And there are thousands and thousands of American jobs.

And there are billions and billions of dollars of expenditures that Israel makes in the US

and buys the things that we know how defense contracting works on from Washington.

No, I know this. I guess what I'm saying is America's not thriving at all. And America's Israel's

fault. I don't think it's Israel. Okay, we're good. I think I just think that what we're doing

isn't working at all. And America is not the president is doing some amazing things to get us back

on track, attacking Trump. Okay. I'm merely saying that over say the last 20 years, America's not

gotten richer or freer at all. And I come to Israel and the infrastructure we're flying in. And I

said to my buddy, I was like, man, the looks. First, it looks great. I love the agriculture in

Israel because it's beautiful. I love green. I love plants. I remember when it didn't look like that.

Yeah, yeah. First time I came in 53 years ago. It's great. It did not look like that.

Great. Looks a lot nicer than our country. And it has higher standard of living. It has nicer

roads than the United States. And so it's like, okay, why are we sending all this money to a country

that has a higher standard of living than ours? I don't know that they have a higher standard

of living. They do actually. They have free health care. They also have free abortion. Are you

okay with that? I personally don't like that. Why would we be subsidizing? Why would we send

any money to a country that provides free abortion? Because the money that we send does not

pay for health care. It does not pay for abortion. It pays for military things. It's like if they

don't spend it on this, they'll spend it on that. But they do spend it on that. And then we get

many more times back in the return of the investment. Why don't we say we're not sending

you any more money as long as you have free abortion? Well, that would be a policy decision.

I would be for that. I would be okay with it because I hate abortion. I think it's horrible.

I want you to hate it. I hate it. I want you to be setting the money if they're paying for free

because they're not paying for abortions with the money. And because we in turn get billions of

dollars. The return of the investment is estimated somewhere between 400 and 1200 or so. For these

numbers, I just live there and I know and I'm by the way, I'm for American manufacturing,

the defense industry is totally corrupt and CD as you know. However, I like to see American

companies thrive. Like it's complicated. I'm not an extremist or an absolutist or really anything

other than abortion. However, net net, as we say, our country's not really thriving. And I

were also totally surprised at the case. Is it because we've done a lousy job controlling

our borders, a lousy job of controlling lots of things? It's a lot of things. But we own that.

I think President Trump is doing remarkable things to turn it around. I think I cannot imagine

any President Trump. I know. But if you're saying the country is in trouble, let's say we're out

of money, actually, is what I'm credit to what the President is doing to get us out of debt

because I think that what he's doing economically. I'm not supporting him on things and I'm not

attacking Trump. Okay. Just with those baseline agreements, it's also true that like our debt

is not sustainable. And so given that like, what do you think it will cost? What did it cost to

move all these to move the fleet off Iran into the Persian Gulf? A lot less than it would

debary a lot of Americans if they ever got a long-range ballistic missile. A lot less.

Yeah, I don't want you to understand that when Iran is told us for 47 years, they're going to kill us.

Do you think they would do it if they had the capacity militarily? What would happen if

Iran took out any of the energy facilities in the Gulf? It took out a bunch of them.

What would happen to the United States economy, do you think? Well, our economy

probably would survive because we have energy and dependence. Thanks to President Trump.

Would survive. Our economy is based on our market. What do you think would be a terrible thing

to happen globally? It's why Iran is a global threat. It's why Iran through its proxies

Tucker. This is another thing. People are not blowing up energy infrastructure right now. But if

we tried to regime change them, they have said that they will. I don't know if they will or not.

I don't either. Is that a risk that they have their own problems to defend if they try to do that?

They lose their own energy capacity. So if they took out, again, I don't know what's going to

happen. I guess we're not supposed to think about worst case because that makes us pro-Islamic

or something. But I'm an American and I don't want a depression in our country. It's too

fractured in the stable right now. I don't think we want that at all.

None of us want that. None of us want that. Not right now. We don't.

Not at all. I don't want it next year, next week, 10 years.

Now, all these states are basically in a state of insurrection against the federal government.

They're not enforcing the most basic law of the land, which is immigration.

And thank goodness President Trump is pushing back.

And he's great. I'm just saying to force if all of a sudden compliance, markets just tanked

and gas tripled or whatever. And you had a severe recession or something worse.

That's a massive cost. And I don't see anybody factoring in that possibility.

Iran has said it will do it. You've said 10 times they're evil.

Okay. I believe you. Then why wouldn't they take out the

Cotari gas fields they share with Cotari were refining petrochemicals extraction in any of the

Gulf countries that would cripple us. Let's. Well, you were.

Energy wise. Again, we have independence because President Trump put measures in place that

gave us the capacity. We set international energy prices in the United States.

In some ways, we do because our own market and our own production has a whole lot to do.

With what those world costs are going to be. He took Saudi energy production,

Cotari energy production or Emirati energy production. And that is making an assumption

that if there were regime change, that they would be more effective at attacking than we would

be defending. And that's a pretty, can we defend the Straits for Moose? Can we defend all of

that energy infrastructure? Is anyone even asking these questions or it's all like a

Michael event episode? They're certainly they're bad. They are certainly asking the questions.

That's part of the whole process. Is it I've raised this before and it's like

shut up, Cotari sin. You're taking money from the jihadis. I've never taken a dime from anybody.

Obviously. I just care about the United States and it freaks me out and no one else seems worried

about this. And caring about the US, you should care about the fact that the proxies of Iran

have moved globally. 12 central and South American countries have Hezbollah deeply embedded

Venezuela one of the worst. They're in the western hemisphere already. Do we know how many?

Would you rank that on the on the like list of concerns for the average American Hezbollah

and end out most Americans think about it? I think about it because I know what they do.

I know that if it weren't for Iran, there wouldn't be a mosque. There wouldn't be the hoodies.

There wouldn't be Hezbollah. We wouldn't have the problem on the border with Lebanon. We wouldn't

have the problem with Yemen. We wouldn't have the problem on the border with Lebanon. As I'm an

American, I'm not having any problems on the border with Lebanon right now. I live in Maine.

We don't have problems on the border of Lebanon. What are you even talking about? No offense.

There's 700,000 Americans who live in Israel for one thing. Does that matter to you? Of course,

every American really matters to every life you say matters the same. So that should matter.

When they start my country, I'm just saying like shelling civilians and civilians get killed in

this place. That should matter to all of us. I mean, there's a genocide going on,

like in all kinds of different countries. There's a lot that's sad and broken about the world.

We know that as Christians, Satan rules the world. But our job as like members of a nation state

is to look after our community and our families, right? So I don't think any of the concerns that

you've just raised, which I think are all real. I'm not disputing them at all, or even in like the

top 100 for America. Do you think that the US government be spending this much time and money

worrying about things that are not on the list of American concerns? Do we have self-government?

Does it matter what Americans actually think or doesn't it? Of course it does, but it also matters.

How much does it matter? What the threat is to Americans. Do you think there's a threat to

Americans because of the proliferation of the proxies and arrived conceivably there is? I'm not

pro-or-on. But beyond conceivably, do you think that they mean it when they say for 47 years?

Part-tells like in my town and no one's doing anything about it at all. You don't think

the president is doing anything about that? No one's doing anything about it at all. Okay,

that's a fact. We have a huge country. This is a country that's going to judge it with no resources.

You know, it's just a tiny little country. We're from a huge continental size country

that's totally diverse, very, very hard to manage and police. And we have a lot of problems.

And I just think, if you ask Americans, what do they want to spend their time and money

worrying about fixing, proving? No one's going to mention the border with Lebanon that I know.

Do you think? I doubt they will. But I'd like to think that there are people that the U.S.

government has monitoring what the threats are to Americans long-term. Sure, yeah, you think

there's a threat. The question is, when people thought it was a 37-year-old, well,

but I don't know that Saddam ever said he was going to take down America. But the Iranian regime

has said for 47 years they are. If they had the capacity of a long-range ballistic missile

and nuclear capability, do you think they'd like that puppy up and send it to us? I don't know.

But I know this from sitting here last year, four wars that I went through in less than a year.

The Iranians rain down ballistic missiles. Can I ask you a question? How much does it matter

what Americans think? Well, it matters every bit what Americans think. That's why Americans vote.

It's why Americans have the opportunity to have free speech. We want them to have that.

Okay, so what percentage of Americans support a war with Iran? I don't know. Do you know?

I do. I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday. It was like 21%.

Okay. Is that enough to have a war with Iran?

We don't live in a world where you have a poll taken to find out where our policy should be

a particular direction. Oh, I thought you just said that. That's right.

Those, you know, we care deeply about it. But on the other hand, do we make the decisions

of foreign policy and even domestic policy based on what the latest. We care to be about it in

what sense. If we're ignoring it, then in what sense do we quote, care deeply about it?

Well, I think we care deeply when we see those as a threat.

No, but about Americans' opinions. So you've got three and 50 million Americans.

They vote. They voted in this last election on the basis in part of the promise no more

or worse. Okay. So now we're about to have a war looks like 80% of people are against it.

In that range, let's say 70%. But nowhere near majority support for this war.

And it's not direct democracy, but it is a form of democracy. It's representative democracy.

The ultimate form of democracy in our system in a republic because we're not a true

democracy. Right. Exactly. Right. It's immediate. It'll be an opportunity for Americans to vote if

they think that we've made the wrong policy decisions. I personally think the president is

making the right policy. But I guess, but you just said it matters deeply what Americans think.

And if the overall majority are against it, in what sense does it matter? Because what I hear

is it matters what they think, but it really doesn't matter what they think. Because now you take

it in, you certainly ingest that. And then what it ultimately wants you ingest it. Then you make

sure that you have, you know, just got it. It goes out the other end, obviously. No, it doesn't.

No, it doesn't. Tucker, but you also have information that the average American may not have.

What they may not know what the threat is. How many Americans know that Hezbollah is in 12

Western hemisphere country? How many Americans care? Well, I would hope they would all care. How

many Americans know how many people from Iran from terrorist cells have come across Joe Biden's

open border? How many Americans care about that? Okay. You haven't been rounded up, but they're

trying, but you got all these blue state mayors and governors making it very difficult to get it.

But thank God President Trump is trying to get it done. Look, I'm totally all for that completely.

Okay. I guess what I'm saying is that most Americans over, I've never met American who thinks

other than like the people who have ideological reasons to pretend they think it, that the

imminent threat to America is anything having to do with Iran. The imminent threats to America

include like bankruptcy from too much debt, your son Oding on fentanyl, your neighborhood

completely changing because unlike Israel, Americans don't have a right to their country. It can just

be completely changed by their legislature. New people can show up from foreign countries, not

speak your language, and there's nothing you can do about it because you don't have a right because

you're not BB. Can you feel the resentment? Because it's real. I'm not against Israel. I'm against

the total destruction. You destroyed that very well. I'm mad at my lawmakers for not protecting my

country with the care they've protected Israel. I don't think that your country, my country,

our country has spent that much time protecting Israel. I ask you a little bit ago. How many

no time protecting my country? No, I ask you. Well, actually they do. How? They are the tip of the

spear. Every enemy they have is our enemy. Our country? Things that are targeted toward us often

go through them. How do we have 60 million illegal aliens if they protected my country? Well,

that we didn't protect our country because we had a president that opened up the borders and

didn't give a rid of them. It's been going on since Reagan. Since Reagan, 1986. Yeah, but

that's 40 years since Trump, the credit for having closed the border. I love the fact. I can't

paint for Trump because he said he closed the border. He said, Amen. Thank you, Trump. But we had

Reagan. Then we had Bush. Then we had Clinton. Then we had Bush again. Then we had that guy,

Obama. And then you know the presidents. Yeah. And they all presided over my country's total

transformation from a nice, clean, affluent, orderly society into like pretty, kind of third world

actually. That's not protecting us. That's behaving with total contempt for my country. You said,

a moment ago that we do more, are you inferred that we do more for Israel than we do for ourselves?

Do you believe that? No, I didn't say we do more for Israel. It's like, but where's the care?

Where's the concern? Where's the holy smokes? Their drug cartels in your neighborhood. You're

telling me about the border with Lebanon and like his blah or his bullet. Whatever you call it in

some Latin American country. I don't care. Their drug cartels in my neighborhood. I know people

died of fentanyl Odies. Where the fentanyl come from? Probably from China.

Just from Mexico. From China through. Yeah, the precursor chemicals they say come from China.

I get it. And who's in that axis with China? Iran. Larry Fink is in that axis with, no, actually,

actually the heads of our biggest corporations are in that axis with China. I don't care about Iran

at all. I care about America. And if blowing up Iran makes my country richer and safer,

I'm for it. And if it doesn't, I'm totally opposed. It's that simple. I think most Americans feel

that way, no. I ask you a question a little bit ago. You never got back to because I think it's an

important one because one of the things that I sense attention with you, you feel like that we do

too much for Israel. We're getting nothing from it. And I ask you how many, no, I don't think we're