Tuesday, September 8, 2026 - Part 2

0:00The views and opinions expressed on analyze this are entirely those of the on-air participants and do not reflect those of the station's board management, staff or underwriters. And we're back here. I don't know. Yes, synchronize it. Okay. Good thing. Yeah. Little women's going to be joining me. We got a lot to talk about in the middle of the clock. Oh, well, and actually I got to give him his purpose when he called me because we had a great conversation yesterday for Liberty. And one of the topics that we talked about in the world is the evolution of all sorts of people here in the Virgin Islands. And by extension, New York City and all that stuff. Because a lot of our we Virgin Islanders who are actually migrated to New York City.

1:07Right? I mean, when you leave in the Virgin Islands, you're going to the states and you're going to the New York, right? And label leaders and activists and speaking on the corner was a big thing. Alexi Kubra, top Elizabeth and Hendrixson, who I learned about yesterday, me and some of that members of the table talk. And then we're also talking about the Mervin Evans. So I wanted to do an I mentioned yesterday, I wanted to give you a look at his props because one day when I brought him on, he pivoted the conversation and asked which Virgin Island and he got me calendar 0761 line by the way. And he asked which Virgin Islands governor or elected official had the most vast resume. Right? And he had said Mervin Evans was the one. So I knew that Governor Evans had done at one term and also was the delegate to Congress.

2:09And I believe he's the only, he's the only virgin to do that, I believe. Right? To be the governor delegate. We've had the logo, Evans, Victor Frazier, Donna Christensen, Donna Christian Christian and I'm Stacey Plaskett. Yeah. So at this point, Governor Evans holds a distinction of always being, he will always be the first to last appointed first elected governor and also the only one to this point who has served as a delegate to Congress and a governor. Right? Of course, Stacey Plaskett, our current delegate to Congress is not only looking to join that fraternity. But she's also looking to be the first female governor. So a lot of things could happen this year, but we're not disrespecting any other teams.

3:15They got respect them. You don't run the race and people and I read their shows. You run the race. I'm the track, I'm saying so. I wanted to do that. So Lolo Ellis, good morning. Glad to have you on. Good morning to you. I'm just wondering if people are born in a well-known list list. Yeah. Right? I go to give you a prop scout yesterday. We're going to attack him while Governor Evans reminded me of a conversation that you and I had on your second of the events had the had the best resume. The most brilliant resume out of all of the brilliant resumes of our former elected officials and current as well. So I want to give you a prop scout. That's a fact. Why you had a bet? Well, when we look at his at his dossier, his report, God, Lolo Ellis, this is my special human being. No. My wife, doctor, my wife, soldier, my public health administrator, and when he passed, at

4:15the time when he passed, he was an envoy to train on in Tobago. You were about to embark on that too? That's what I'm talking about. He was an envoy. Yeah, man. I soon when I read that and I read it on the New York Times because his death, the New York Times ran an article and I keep telling people everything that happened in the US, the US, the US, the US, back in the day, the New York Times wrote about it all the time. They had a special eye out on all of the territories. Everything that happened, you could have fun with the acting. From the actual question, how much doctor do you have at Governor's? Medical doctors. Medical doctors too. I know Dr. Turmble. You know, he's a doctor as well. So I guess what, three? Three. Yeah, I think it's three. You like, I'm a teacher of the earth. I'll have them in teacher at one point or another. No, no. No, because teaching is a very popular job.

5:20And when we go home from college, we can't find a walk. A lot of us end up in a classroom. You know me. You end up there? No, no, no. I live on my father's family. I go falling in love with it. And I go never leave. I saw what happened to my older brother, Trevor. Once he fell in love with it, that was it besides me. I did it for two years. I know you did it. All I did was you dox, all I did teach. Who are the teachers? I believe all of them taught. No, no. Maybe the young and Brian Aintich. But I believe everybody has those teachers at some point. My point of teacher? My point of police officer. You have police officer, correct? Correct. You have police officer. And then he ran. You know, he actually was a standard, a pretty young age, and a relatively young age. Yes, he did. He was. He was a 54 years ago, was the first day he ran. I don't know. The year I graduated from high school, 82. Yeah, my grade, you're 73.

6:22Yeah. And let me say, if you graduate, 72. You're 73, right? And was elected in 82. You are young. You are young. Are you young? I'm a graduate. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, we have graduate in the years, fortunate. I'm high school. From high school? Yeah. Me and a ten all at a. No. I'm a graduate. Well, I'm a graduate and I'm saying, you're a valedictory, my sister. Yeah. Christian said high school. Good job, young graduate. Me and a body. I won there. He graduated from a shadow valley high school. It's 77 or somewhere around it. Right. He graduated from a state, it's okay. Okay. Yeah. So I know, I know I'll work graduate from say, 95. Yeah. Map graduate. Central high school. Far away. I'll let my graduate here, man. I'm king. All of them.

7:22So John Young is the only one. Schneider, all of them are Schneiders at Shadam Ali High School graduate. Yep. Yeah, Tom will, Tom will graduate and like that infamous class of 52. Doesn't mean? Yes, that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Had a robot. Had a robot. That what? What a great, greatest classes in the history of American schools. Not not the board tonight. It was an American. Wow. Wow. Those three have something for the list of 10 about those across. What is the class of 52? Yes. They, they, they produce leaders of all three branches of government. Oh God, never a good one. You're glad I'm for that, you man. No, no, Elmore Roboc, who is one of the great senators, Von Hads, arguably the greatest jurist and, and Tom will and, and the first two, the first two were validatorial and salutarian and, and they had Elmore Roboc as one and, and, and Von Hads, but I said, yeah, they get to Elmore Roboc, but my son will be validatorial.

8:25Don't have tough class. If you want tough class, no, and I had more people, they got more names, come on, that class, after what teachers and I kind of think, man, really, really, really want to talk about that class. I don't think so. No, be careful. No. I think you'll be good at young and at them. Really good. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to make it a little bit. I want to. Okay. But you know some listeners, you know, you know, you know, you know, you really, you know, really good listening. Really junior, you know, your corrections will be right around. Hold on a minute, hold on a minute. I'm going to frame it. Let me show you Charlotte, Charlotte, Amalia. That's the pronounciation. Not Abalia, and I'll ask the, they said Charlotte, Amalia. They had to correct me on one day, right? Charlotte, Amalia, high school, Holanda, high school class of 1952. They're not saying that's some great songs. I remember, Holanda, I remember talking about that class and next thing, you know, let me

9:28judge myself. What telling me about some other names that came out today, principles and all kind of thing. So tell me what your class is on there. 1982, 30 years later, since don't sense the class at 20. Myself, Mark, Biggs, Dante, Galli, Dante was all about the Victorian. Serene Flags. Yeah, Dante, Dante, Dante Young, Brerella, Cecil Brella. She's Serene Flags, Queen Serene, the sing out the Virgin, the Virgin Gora. Yeah, and I think she has some respect to her. She was Sharon Holtzist, the out of that class there. You know, we go all right. No, we go completely. Okay, Holanda, Holanda, Holanda, Holanda. I got a class of 52. Let me see. Who else? Who else? Neil Leia. I got to keep talking. Milo, Francis Lolo. Milo, in the class? Other well-known 1952, grads include Emil, Milo, Francis, of Milo and the Kings. Well-known political figure Rudolf Krigas, Seania, Lolo, Lolo.

10:30Okay, okay, okay, all right. Right, monument designer, Lista and Gregory. Yeah. Right? That's Donna Gregory from, um, my father, right? Uh, he was a engineer. He was an engineer who created the desalination plants at water and power authority. Right? Athlete Doris Hodge. Doris was a, was a hell out of it. You know, I got a tennis player. Yeah, an educator, you and I, Tom Bull. Hello, my first day teacher. Here it is. Class of 52 in a joke, my boy. And then you're not possible. Possible, okay. I see Maria Tom Bull. Show my first greeting. You know who I was graduating in a class? I do near Harris, blues, Carl Woodman. Harris, Carl, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're called same age, right? Another 1952 grad. Wow. I went home done. Hampton, okay. And back then it was an, it was an institute back then, I don't know.

11:31Yeah, I'm the institute. Now it's a year. I'm the institute. Now, is it university, right? Alan, John, Alan, John, I'm John, and Alan, and Alan come back with waves. Can't believe that you can't believe that. My uncle really Francis. How is Carlwood? Born, Carlwood? Yeah. Only one in come back with a wife on the stage was Tom Bull. Tom Bull and an ad. We have to come back with waves, okay? Okay, I found another story and I got more names. I mean, maybe I go run to them. See, see if you know your voice. And let's go to see Thomas. Marianne, how about Francis? Marianne Francis, yes, I know. Directly Abraham Lockhart. Yeah, Von Abraham. Rosetta Baptist Milena.

12:33Directly Brown. Janet Brun. Roland Calenda. I name Calenda is your own Calenda's family. Whatever, Roland Calenda. No, I don't know. You know what I mean? Gloria Calwood Peterson. Harris, Calwood. David Chinnery. I live Corbyere early in Cruz. I am a David. Joyce Dawson-Bernah. Florence Debelat Richardson. I own a nibb's will. Is one of those months? It's a big class of 52, man. And only to hide cool. We have a split up now between. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Cleo Miend. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Cleo Miend the grass. I tell you, it's like St. Crore. No. See, Mary's, you know, I don't see Mary's or St. Patrick's or the public schools. You're check. Diane DeLugo. June Downing, Simon Farrington. Randi Lugo. Diane DeLugo. Oh, there. Okay. June Downing, Simon Farrington.

13:34All the four Austin, Francis, Terrence Freeman. Pauli, God, Napida, Sin, Ezra Gomez, Jr. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. To mo yhti veterans. Andrew. Where did it really started to happen? Building it up up to an니까 Edfolder? Justin Hastings and Dangray. I'll talk about it again. Oh, that's the ideal, but I was going to be adorable that way. Blankie. You can do that. Also made that L.R.I. James, Avaline Joseph Jones, Sonya Levy. Here's a Lewis Leopard, Mariano Lima, Lister Monsanto. Mariano Lima. Yeah. Mariano Lima walked for me. You know, the review of the crazy Lima already reached out.

14:35Yeah. Yeah. Mariano Lima and Lister Monsanto also walked for me. Yeah. I think Lister Monsanto and Mariano. Okay. Dougal Niles. Clarice Atley Hasford, Alvin Peterson, Unapetra Stonebull, Daris Patta, Lira Ipata. You are Petra Stone? You are Petra Stonebull, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some folks, great teacher. Yeah. Daris Patta, Lira Ipata, Aurelia Riches, Danovan. Astashthnaida Gibbs, Van Bon Quitel. Van Damien Quitel, a Langstanding name is in Damas Lolo. Yeah, man. I'm not a soldier. Julia Sproulno. No, no. Julia Sproulno, the class of 52. I got a month's of class. No, no, no, no, that's cool name after this money, see, John. But you have to understand back then, you know, never. A lot of people were older, age and I can't think of them. You know, Mariano, we don't care. No, Mariano, I'm saying that you don't care.

15:36Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And a couple of his classmates were either younger than him or older than him. Right? Alvin Steele. And Alvin Steele. Lyona Stevens. Gwenda Lentamas Manuel Torres. Castella Van Biva-Hoot Milna. Elaine Turnbull Peterson. Ilva Viala Benjamin. Cecil Wena. Wow. Just a powerful class. I've got a huge rollbook. Rudy Craig. Tom Bull. 16-Names Lolo. Sixty? Also, it says the 16-Names in the Daily News ad is an ad, right? Include very well-known and local scenes are fairly the target of their public display of prayed Charles W. Turnbull was inaugurated last week as a terrorist. So the class, what congratulated him in January 1999, this is a V.I. Source archive story. So you saved to say that the class of 52 contributed to the original and like no other class.

16:49I think you can make that argument. I think we can make that. That's a tremendous list of Virgin Islands who post high school help create the modern day existence of the Virgin Islands on the St. Thomas in John district right now. I want to give it you no question from you go call a spirit. No, no, no, no, that's a hell of a class. We name all them names. Julia Sproulolo. Wow. I know. I love you. No, no, no. My stomach was a heavy school a lot of people mental a lot of people. She meant me after I left the first gritty. No, you talking you know? Yeah, man. Wow. You know, you know, that name, that name only exists in St. Thomas in Johnny. Don't exist. I'm saying, you know, you know. You know, you know, you know, what you're working at the legislature for years. You know, something. You and I certain correct. Correct. Yeah, man.

17:49Yeah, man. I was named to hang out you and I died walk walk walk to see UVA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're not saying great. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, right here. Oh, I do the same over. Yeah. You know, you know, right. No, but that thing is that. When we, when we were looking over, um, Dr. Evans contributions, man, that was brilliant. In my mind, man, are you immediately coming up me? I got a conversation and Jimmy Calim. And we are having a good conversation against the contract. You're talking about, uh, when we were talking about his grandfather, DC Kanagina and all that stuff. And also we're talking about, we got a lot to talk about. We'll be back right after this. Okay. The Virgin Islands Department of Labor is accepting proposals from the community to deliver a four week youth program for ages 14 to 15.

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21:01I'm back here on Lazy Sun. I got Lolo Willis joining me. Yeah, Lolo. Good morning once again. I'm Waglui. Right? He was also a baseball player. And I found no fun, so I was like, we had a game in St. Croix on transfer day in 1967. The Red Sucks and the Yankees. They played at the Polygyz Stadium. You came in September and then they went in quite a bit. No, no, no, no, it actually the other way around. The next day, they wasn't in September. Okay.

22:01But it was a 50 year anniversary. The transfer. Yeah, 67. 67 year because March 31st in 1917, right? And so that was significant, but that was the type of thing that we used to. And that metamas, I helped set that up, Lolo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the collectives. We had a lot of good things going on here in the Virginia. Back in the day that we can't make happen now. But not good, Lolo. Not good. Let me ask that question now. We had three professional teams which was champion played at the Volga. Who are they? Three professional teams. Yes. That one was TV or something else. Well, we're not exposed being in 2005. Okay, you got one.

23:01Yeah, I think I was totally shocked when I was in 2006. 1966. I don't know, not not not not not. They read talks with the Yankees winning 66. I'm saying I had won a championship won a championship the same year. So both were involving like, I'm. Yeah, the car. The red tracks on the Yankees. organizations that came here and played. Yeah, man. Yeah. But, Lolo, this is where you want to be for spring training and Lolo. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't get it. I mean, you had major league players who you, who say enjoy spending their winter in Puerto Rico. You look like Winter ball. I said, the Winter ball in Puerto Rico, Mexico, mostly in Puerto Rico. But, you know, Puerto Rico, America, America, America, you are, you are not seeing an immigration issue. They deal with. L, 100, I think, I've been all in play and dominate down there. El Moplaski went to the Chippa Cronin Puerto Rico. I mean, he wasn't, he didn't dominate. He didn't excel at the major league level

24:03like El Red Hendrix on Alvea McGreen. But he wanted Chippa Cronin down there. So he had to be good. The Chippa Cronin, Lolo. Hey, I know, I know. Oh, batting home run and runs, and runs, driven in. That's what you're meant to us. I'm a 4-gen, I know that I'm a 4-gen, I think, our champion Cronin. World championships. What was your name? Me. My name. Well, well, you know, you know what you're name. We know, we know Sugar Racist, you know, I know. You ain't a gold medal. But, I see a professional, professional, Griffith, Griffith, Bramble, Julian Jackson. I'm a tackle. I'm a tackle that went in the other way to South. I think I think Emil had two right? Emilio went like Twitter, well, to it. I think he went trick. You were middleweight at one point, though?

25:04Yeah. So, man, man, I know, you know, this and junior that back in the day or no. OK, win two. OK, win two. You won one, I am twice. And I know, we name it, but Julian, we know it, we know it. Julian Jackson. Julian, when Julian is a weight and he win with Louis. I know he had one of the highest knockout percentage in all our boxing in the history of boxing. All four of you, and I love gop on YouTube. We have a special at Julian when you're sitting on love it. No, Julian, Julian, my shabby boyfriend, Korea, man, when he won the championship. Which one of you and I love see the most at Julian fights? No, no, no, it is. No, no, it is. I saw a lot, but I saw. But wait a minute. Rudy Clark, the most of your world, I like that champion, but I like that champion. Black says, no, Rudy Clark was sort of the most of Julian Jackson fight ever. Rudy Clark? Besides, besides, he handled and his family.

26:06Rudy, don't forget to be out of something. I wrong, Frankie. I'm not alone. Yeah. That's what boys are. Rudy's a rocker-dunking. I think Frankie Granola, a lot of first-mind men to beat Shavans, right? Yes, he did. Yeah, he beat who does this, I said, Shavans? When my face, I think we turned to the ring and I was big up in the MGM. Yeah. Ranune Kals, Ranune Kals, Rudy, I said, look, hey, whatever you do, I need 12 tickets. What, when he came back after the prison sentence? Yes. Ranune Kals, you're 12 tickets. By the way, Lolo, what we call a name June Downing, Louis Silvesta, that's the aunt. Yeah, Silvesta is a donate, you know? How is that? He wanted that donate. I just finding that don't know. I need one vessel. I got a lot. He gives you a quote. You know who's the most popular donate ever? Lolo?

27:08What is the pitch for the actual? No, why is the pitch for the breeze? I need to give up. I ran 715 home run. I left under. I'll donate. I left it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And don't forget, we name it down in street, don't know. The house, the house where the prime minister live in. Who put it in his mouth? England, down in street. Yeah. 10 down in street, right? It down in street, right? Yeah, man. Yeah. When my face, the result of the ring level. Yeah. Remember, remember, remember, yeah, too. Remember, yeah, yeah, that. Yeah, that problem in 88, too, no? The man was a winner for a while. Cool. Mike Tyson. Yeah. When he came up, he'd come up, like, yeah, yeah, he'd know before that, right? That's me. That man, he would be. That's my left hand right. Right? Then he had a problem. Robbing given. And I'm not going to be in Robbing giving us an hour less stuff, right? Yeah. And he came back and I believe he was Frank Bruno. Remember, you were fighting regular, no?

28:08They won if he came to champion, right? Yeah, almost killed Frank Bruno. We know a bank. Frank Bruno nearly killed he fought. And Frank Bruno didn't even realize he had hurt Mike Tyson. He was, yeah. Mike always had a glass jar, you know? Right? And Bruno, Nackia, punch. I went Mike, when Mike jumped behind them, Bruno, like, oh, my gosh, I hooked this man, Bruno, they finished he off. And you know, Bruno from, you need answers first from. You can find a coming, you can. Oh, OK. Yeah. That's why you did, huh? Yeah, you found a Caribbean. A lot of the grit, a lot of the grit, British athletes of color, their roots come out of the Caribbean. Yeah, that's what I was worried between New York and Canada and England. Lennox Lewis, right? Jamaica. And now, but he actually win the gold medal, fighting on the can, I know. That's right. Right? And I believe in for Christy, you know, some roots in the Caribbean too. He was a world. He was a world's fastest man for a couple of years.

29:08You'll check. So, but when he, so Mike had a problem, I went and came back, you said, really clocked, really clocked, Randy Nate said he need 12 tickets and he said really clocked, OK? I have tickets. Yes, sir. Really got secure the tickets for us. And I can't have them up. For me, me. Randy Nate. Randy Nate. Somebody named Michael. I think we went to the fight boy. Oh, happy. I was next to the new edition. You joking. I was the next to the edition and Kenny and Kenny Smith. Kenny Smith for for inside the NBA. Yeah, you got to get married to a woman 20 years young and a he that, you know, oh, yeah, yeah, you get married again, man. But you wait for it. Wait for a pretty girl. Yeah, you know, you're married to a girl.

30:08Some 20 years. You're going to hear me. I can't even see a image. And I can't even get married to a girl for 32 years old, man. I think I think I might agree. So something like that. Yeah. But I never let the quickest fighter be my life. Which one? Who was here? Who? Martin Ely. Oh, Pete. I'll beat that magnine or something, right? Yes. But I wasn't in there for the PD. No, you want to fight in, um, Julian has fight in Boston. And he wasn't undercut and Julian won the table back in Boston. And don't bring him for the first of millions against my patient. It was a good. No, no, he was a stiff. That's what I call him. OK, a stiff. OK, that was to make Mike. That was to make Mike look invincible. I'll give you a story, right? Wait, that was his first fight after the after the. Oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes, because. Yeah, because he lost his title in 1990 to the Boston Douglas. Yeah, yes. But here is one right?

31:09A lot of people know about this. When Julian loves in Missouri, it's like again, Mike McCollum. Mike McCollum, yeah. Yeah, Mike McCollum. No, Mike McCollum. The guy from Detroit. Oh, he lost on McCollum from Detroit? Yes, he got knocked out. He got knocked out in the fourth room. I know he lost on Mike McCollum in Miami. That's all all in his career in the second room. You correct? OK. And then he won the title and then he will defend it and knock everybody. And he had to fight this guy named Michael. But the fight was supposed to take place in Mexico. But Julian Hanwo, my shop. So the post-war is I'm going to allow big up in the Mac center. Gerald Maclellan. Yes, Gerald Maclellan. Man for the win is man way better than Julian. He barely made the win. 160, right? My time fight come round. It's not like I only have 80 points. And Julian is a natural 154.

32:12So the night before the fight, right? Me and Ranin and Marathi. And you think Maclellan walking up and down, right? And why do you walk in the pandemic? I went to him and say, you better go sleep. You better go sleep. You better go sleep. My brother will knock you out tomorrow night, you know? And when I'm on the journey, man, I get my green. I can't sleep. You tell me I'm running like, I can't sleep. The sun went into the ring. Julian tagging, right? But you're overpowered Julian. We've been going to Julian. I mean, knock out Julian. Man, I never your boy. I've had a nice trip. A trip piece. Shot, punch. Put you there. Shot, punch, punch. This is a nice, this is weird. And you drive? No, in Las Vegas. Las Vegas, OK. Yeah. So we went in the locker room with Julian after a fight. We got Julian and knock out. We feel free. And I power up Julian. I blow the air. I get blown and I'm freaking soon. I imagine that.

33:13Then we get Mackellan. Followed Mackellan. Followed. So everybody was doing what Mackellan, like I do, right? The man passed out, never. He was unfit to fight. Wow. All right. He was unfit to fight. But no, no, no, you know, they fought twice. Yeah. The second, the first time he followed and the five, 10 months after. Yeah. And he's knocked out Julian in the second round this time. The first round this time. Yeah, first round. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. You went to take out Nigel Ben. That's a boy from England. From England. And he had my special fight. I lived there with the Robin. Because he's not Nigel Ben all the way. They take a land, ten to come to ten. And he gave back in. And he exhausted. And he said, I don't want me. And he was no good thing. So again, so the reason the story is that Julian lost the pass through, but you won the one. Look, no, you know, you know what?

34:13He said what the fight with the first fight. The first fight with Mackellan and Jackson. They said five rounds of violence. Yeah, he said Julian. You said, man, you know, you said Julian Jackson and Joe McLellan brought enough power into the same ring to make every exchange feel dangerous. I made it 1993 at the Thomas at Max Center in Las Vegas. I was kept the club on. I'm afraid you at 32 Jackson was making the fifth defense of his WBC middleweight title. His 46 and one record, including included 43 knockouts and the destruction of Herah Graham had already given him one of boxing most frightening stoppages. Seven years younger, Mackellan arrayed from Emmanuel stewards Crank Jim with a 27 and two record and 26 knockouts. The challenger attacked with speed, aggression and the confidence of a fighter who did not expect his opponents to

35:13survive long. This was more than a meeting of knockout artists. Jackson had to prove that his experience and single punch power remained enough to stop a younger destroyer. Mackellan needed to show that his quick victories had prepared him for a champion who punched harder than anyone he had faced. Wow. But you know something after two after four rounds, two judges had Jackson leading 38 37. While the third had to fight even at 30 38. Two low punches from Jackson interrupted the fifth. Mackellan went down after the second received time to recover given the champion a brief pause after several physically punishing rounds. The break had the opposite effect. Once Mills layman, you know, Miss Laywell, we're feeling this fight man. We started the fight. Mackellan drove a right into Jackson's head and followed with left hooks that sent the champion on to his back.

36:14Jackson somehow rose, but his bloody face and unstable legs showed how badly he had been shaken. Another attack dropped in my second time. Lane stopped the fight at two or nine without a low in Jackson. Another chance to continue. They'll stop it. Listen to this right. The stoppage earned the ring magazines in 1993, knockout of the year award. Wow. Yeah, yeah, June was really bloody. My time is up my suit. I have drawn sharp punch. Too much to do that. You address with a way that would end it does not mean. I don't know. And you know, but that fight really hurt me and made it a bad bad day for me. Okay, I superstition. It is when my mother died. Me it is in June and knockout. And me it's something has happened to me right after. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not. I know what I want. Me not me not with me. Me not Julian and that co-hosted.

37:16And CBS. And the way when you're going down when you hit in the part side level. The don't either don't score national TV. They had a there's some other articles here that said Julian Jackson flattened Busta Dretton with the brutal title knockout. And they also said Julian the heart Jackson had dynamite in both hands. Hmm. Yeah, man. June was very good. June got stuck. Julian made a way. Yeah, I'm I'm dominating. I'm dominating. Yeah. Yeah, the right way enough to push him up because nobody could have beaten that way. And they were trying to out and they were thinking what money fights as well. That's why I think about you. We take a break. Yeah, but we take a break and come back right after this great conversation. Be back right after this.

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41:09We're back here. I analyze this. I got a little little is here. They conversation. One thing we're doing. We're talking about Julian Jackson is my own and his fight with Gerald Maclellan. You know, I'm not. I can't once again. I'm one again. You mentioned the fight that Gerald Maclellan had with Nigel Ben. That was his last fight. The day after that you were the president of the after that. No, he died. He died. He died. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently. Apparently at brain surgery or something after that, right? Yeah, man. And but guess what little. He's the fight doctor. Again, he's the fight doctor. Yeah, like like like like Mike Alvik. Yeah, man. I like right Jones. Like right Jones. You know, you know, and you know, who will be Goldberg when he went after my

42:10calvick will be Goldberg came to his defense and all and said that. Yeah, she said that that's that's a cultural thing. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning it anywhere for any form of fashion. I'm not doing it. But I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying? And it had some boy fans in Thomas involved in my calvick ring in Virginia. You might tell me. They went to the one country with me. Oh, see, see. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Wow. This is our calling name. This is our calling name. What do we need people for? And it's a whole story. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I'm sorry. We had a kid. That's right. This is a big thing in the state. Big man. Big man. And. And. And Arizona. Yeah. And I'm going to sold to. Yeah. Yeah. On the audience. So no, we're not condoning it. Just telling you about that. No, I'm not condoning it. Don't miss. Don't miss interpret them. I'm just telling you. Please don't let them. Yeah, they don't do that.

43:10We're not condoning. We're just telling you that that's what happens. Right. No. Yeah. But he apparently my client originally found Illinois. He's still alive. It's 58. He died. No. Never. I said no. I never found a box. I'm using it. I said no. I said no. He's still alive. I bought an October, 18, 18, 18, 18, 16, 17. He died. Never. Mech. Mech. Mech. Mech. Mech. Mech. I said no. Okay. I said no. Don't put on a debt. I mean, wait. I said, wait. Somebody go. Somebody go. Somebody go. Somebody go. Somebody go. Somebody go. Somebody go. Somebody go. No, we're forced to retire. So far, we have injury in the final fight with my gel been. It's a secondary. It's a secondary. What things do you come home from. We love, but we love want to play. Take some money on a money. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. I think you. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it.

44:10Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. Money is part of it. I'm just trying to get you on the ground. You want to create this fight? You fight against your guerrilla and I'm coming. No. No, no, no. Never. Never take it easy. That's what you're going to take the home. You're going to have to stop the fighting and tucking you up. Back then, the use of 15. I know, I know, I know he had two in three that I will free the Guzmanto or the Puerto Rico. He went up against, um, against Salvador Sanchez.

45:11I didn't last. He got knocked on in the first wrong. I might eat. I might eat. Go mess with free the Gomez. Okay. I'm going to eat later with the fighting against Salvador Sanchez. Salvador Sanchez. Salvador Naki. Salvador Naki, Dian and the fight went to La Bora Eitron. And then he finished. Sanchez died at a young age and a car accident. It's correct. The auto-Mexico. I'm here. Tell me, our son's fought against one I really like that man. You know what I'm gonna for man. You fight that man from Antiga? That's right. I know I'm not in a copu Pino Quivers. Mexico in two wrongs and then later that's the top. The fight that is entry. Let me know if I see anybody from Antiga. And why come here to fight never? I want you to learn your strategy of Antiga.

46:13I don't think I'm gonna win the fight. You gonna get some of some time of some knocking out. His name was fighting Jimmy. Fighting Jim. Hold on. Oh, you're on Google. You're on Google. I'm not going to look for it. I want I want I want to know. It's fighting Jim. You know what? Do they have one? Do they have one? Do they have one? One, WILL� winning the fight? Yeah I don't got a wall champion of Antiga. Jim Richschad you're talking about eh. That's why please connect him. That's why he's Rohan You know who I will be? I don't believe you guys. I was from Antigua. Yeah, but you're fighting out the England.

47:14I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what it was. Mamla Ali was from Kentucky. You were fighting out what you chose me and you left me and I left. Mamla Ali. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mamla Ali was fighting out sherry in New Jersey. No, he was not Lolo. Lolo. Okay. Mohamed Ali was from Louisville, Kentucky. I know that. I was fighting out what you're in New Jersey. He fought out out of Chicago, Illinois. And Terry Hill, New Jersey. No, not not Terry Hill. Terry Hill. Let me know his back. Terry Hill is. Terry. I said, Terry Hill is George. He's no welcome there, man. Not Mohamed Ali. Okay. We saw it yesterday. Me going to research that day. I look Lolo. Where they come to Mohamed Ali and show them. I really like that. Great. You can tell me that whatever. No, nothing. You know, everything was here. You know, every single thing, man. You know, we go. You know, we share, we share. We share, we share, we're relayed. Now also, um, I go to college. You know, you're going in downtown. Young winky college. Universe University at Maryland.

48:14You got to be trained. University at Maryland. You are going more than season. No, university at Maryland, he's from power. Lolo. Lolo. He's from power. I'm saying. When I was on that train day. In college. He was going, I was going to be trained. You know, university at Maryland. He's from power. Lolo. in college before we fought in Baltimore to the center. You could look it up. Lolo. I was ready. I ended up fighting in Baltimore to the center. Listen to me, Lolo. You're burning, burning, Wilmington, North Carolina. People don't even know that, right? You never, you never, you never reach out. Reach out, right? And the family moved to Maryland, Parma Park, Maryland. And he fought out a Potomac Maryland. Never. You know everybody, most of the individuals moved from downtown to the east coast. Correct. Not correct. My father, then, was from Savannah, Georgia. Yeah. They moved from Savannah to DC, from DC to New York.

49:16Joe Fraser went from South Carolina to Philadelphia. Mm-hmm. Smoking. Smoking Joe Fraser. Smoking. Yeah. Mujal, that is individual who have moved it. They headed it also. The father was moving to the North for work. Economic purposes. Leave it in the family long homes. The only great athlete who went from New York to North Carolina is Julolo. Michael Jordan. You better believe it. Bonnie Brooklyn. We're doing it. We're doing it. You better believe it. I love you a little note that. But it's born in Brooklyn. Mike Jordan, Bonnie, New York. Bonnie Brooklyn. Yes. Yeah, man. And moved to the same place where she got a Leonard Bond or Wilmington, North Carolina. That's right. That you right? That's right. Lolo, that fight with herons and Leonard. That's one of the greatest fights ever, you know? Well, let me tell you something when I fight. I was 17 years old and 12, I've never been so caught up

50:20in a fight that might lay me in. Let me tell you something. I was actually really a lot of fun because I know you're not in college. Yeah. Right. And I had 800 hours in my hand. Covered on the street. I think I'll be a lamb. Both is I say whoever wants to say this. Come here. You got much of that. I said 800. He said, game. I'm joking about my hand. And he living on towers, right? No, he don't tell me. I'll be on a better than Thomas hit my hands. In broad and Thomas. I was on. Yeah. When that happened. I was watching the fight. I lived it above towers, right? A guy named. When Thomas should have let us last name. I was knocking on. I was knocking on. You're going for your money at his money. My name is a few minutes after the fight. Hello. Hello. We used to watch them fight. They might find that office. I'm a big fight friend. He used to hang out.

51:20Yeah. He used to hang out with sugar. I'm telling them I'm in New York. Yeah. And then he hung on my hand. He don't get Miami. So he used to go back to his office to fight them. My time I hit my hands. At that point, nobody I got in close to him. No. Because he was a tall, well-ta-weight. A lot of reach and tremendous power. Right? You know the last fight he lost. No. I stopped following him. I stopped following him. I was going to be a little bit more. I was going to be a little bit more. I was going to be a little bit more. I was going to be a little bit more. The last fight he lost. No. I stopped following him after I saw that. No. I'm in the first fight. The first fight that he lost in his fourth year, eliminated from going to Olympic. Oh, yes. Are you talking about, as an amateur? Correct. You must be abuted. Yeah. Yeah. Lolo. So we were watching the fight. And what happened was, right? So that was his prep fight. And that man said, well, how are we going to beat Chagarray? How are we going to beat Horns? I said, Chagarray will find a way. And Lolo,

52:24the first fight is the first four fight rungs is staying away from Chagarray. He's saying away from Thomas Horns. And Lolo, they get inside and he put a left hook in Horns ribs, right? And shake him. If he shake him, Lolo, he broke him, right? And for the next two rungs, he batted this man a rung. And then eventually Horns went and he bicycle and bobby eye and all him kind of thing. And then Chagarray knocked him out. But what manuals towards that body shot in the six rungs. Take your body and women. Lolo, infraction is, but infraction is ribs, man. That's a lie. Something, right? A lot of people might get mad at me. Money, women, whether it is, could it be Chagarray? How are you going to beat Chagarray? Lolo? Sugar, you want to greet this fight? Look, the only fighter punk for Bunghoo are probably better than Chagarray. As if, I believe in Muhammad Ali al-Lon. Is Chagarray rapist? You know, you know, Chagarray Lena, don't fall.

53:25The, the, well, the first don't fall he had was, was the, the, the, the touch right now. No, Chagarray, don't fall or drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Lolo, that's a lot of it. Lolo, Lolo, but that's eating. That's 80 to 90% of them. No, Lolo. Yeah. Yeah, come out, come out clean on the staff side is job. You know, but Lolo, I want to reach something to you. Chagarray Leonard was offered a scholarship to attend the University of Maryland. After winning his gold medal at the 1976 Olympics, but he ultimately turned professional instead long to listen to Lolo. Okay, I'm going to tell you something else. Okay. Yeah. He didn't want to back after Olympics. Nobody was a father. No, no, no, no. He had a child. Nobody had his son at a young age with one. He didn't want to back after the Olympics. Correct. That's true. Young, young mother and his trainer. Yeah. Taking me to heart at DC, I'm putting my car for 12 and barely anybody.

54:27He said, we keep me here. She said, I want to show you. I'm not known. No, Olympic medal and make you known. So you need to go fight and you went to fight. Janks more than another one in Jacob's though. Jacob's, yeah, yeah, Dave Jacob's Dave Jacob's was his other trainer, but he had to go for the master. Oh, Angela, he had to go for Angie. If you better believe it. But you know something. Yeah, well, Leonard taught people in boxing, how can make to make money? Yes. Yes. Yes. How he did that? How he did that? Well, my trainer, my trainer, who was his lawyer and his main advisor, he got into self promotion. Instead of, instead of depending on Bob Aram and Dan King, then he started doing things himself. You're missing a point. He had 10 investors without $25,000. Oh, you talking about the early investment. Okay. Yes. You're right. Correct. But 20,000, 50,000 now. I know a big question to say with CBS. Yeah, with how I felt. Yeah, I was mostly CBS was and then ABC.

55:33No, how a Davis was CBS and she really know what ABC, how I was. That's what happened. We got coming out coming out Olympic, how a Davis was a better over back side that she's really energy. Yeah. Yeah. You want that what? It had five. It had five gold medalists in 76 because number 72 was a barris man. Or 72 was the embarrassment and unicorn. Remember only sugary. Remember only sugary. See his win and all. And they had and they had five five Olympic fight, Leanne Spinks, Michael Spinks, how a Davis, Leo Randolph and sugar. And those are the fight. It's all a mantra. And and reading. I'll just shake it. He had reading. I look in outside while I call in the name them read it. All of the people from how I did was from New York.

56:34I bet. I'm Leanne and Leanne and Michael from St. Louis. Sugar was from Maryland and Willie Randolph was from. Was it a West Coast? You find a West Coast? Okay. Yeah. But but they they they made a concerted effort for 76 to not be the embarrassment that 72 was. And I knew that and you then tried to make that Olympic team. 76. Wow. Well, a little great conversation. I always man. Be good. Be safe. Yeah. Good. You got it. Thanks a lot. I know. Forgive me. Got the candidate speak tomorrow Thursday and Friday. I off tomorrow. I may be Thursday as well, but I'll be but definitely be back by Friday. So tune in to the candidate speak beginning tomorrow. Six candidates to the day Wednesday, Thursday on Friday. Be back. Right. I'll be back when I get here. I got Thursday or Friday. I'll be. The views and opinions expressed on analyze this are entirely those of the on air participants and did not reflect those.

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