Two Reality Queens w/ Paige DeSorbo

0:00Hey everyone, I'm Morgan Stewart and welcome to the Morgan Stewart Show. I'm going to be talking about pop culture, fashion, my personal life, and just a warning, I will be giving my opinions on everything. And those opinions are subject to change, okay? Now let's get into it. I have so many notes. I don't need notes. Are you kidding, Paige? Just her book. We need notes. I went through everything. I know everything about you, but separately, when I asked people who, like I was like, who should come on the pod? Yeah. It was, was it not insane? Paige's a sort of, Paige's a sort of, Paige's a sort of, and I was kind of like, okay, okay, let me see if I can track her down. And finally, we took it to the streets and I was like, Paige, I'd really appreciated it if you came. No, I'm there. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited that you're here. Before we start, I just want to say one thing, and this isn't even me, blonde, smoke up your ass. Tell me, it's truly not. I'm going to go for the first time. Oh no, you invited me to the Wrangly dinner. Yes. I just want to let you know. I was so nervous going to that dinner because I was like, alone, I didn't know who else

1:00was going to be there. And you know, when you're like about to meet someone that you've loved for so long and like, it could go, it could be not what you think it's going to be. And then you're like, wow, okay, so I love that person for so long. You were so nice. I'm going to cry. I'm going to cry. And not in like a, yeah, I have to be nice because I invited you to my dinner. Like in a real normal friend way. Okay. Honestly, like, reinforce, like I went home that night and I was like, yeah, happy, pretty successful women aren't mean to other women. Like, it just like, it kind of changed. I needed that like moment to be like, yeah, girls aren't always mean to each other when they like their lives. And you like, like, reinforce that. That was really nice. That was a nice, I really needed that today. So I appreciated, I didn't sleep that well. I had been a little on edge. That really means so much to me. And I really take that to heart because I am, I'm like, I'm warm. Am I warm? I'm so warm. Why is it like I really overthink a lot of interactions?

2:01Because I mean, I'm sure like where you are now, like people are constantly putting things on you or really like, if you don't have the best experience with somebody or you're not getting along with somebody, then they tell those people and those people think that that's their experience. It takes one time. It takes one time. It takes one time. To be like, she's a bitch. She's a bitch. Like I had so much drama from that dinner unfold, just like in different, different, different, never know. Yeah. And it was just like, it's so nice that you had a nice interaction. No, it was so fun. Because I really am, I really want everybody to do well so that people aren't focused on hating me. Do you know what I, or are you, like, like, very much comes off when you meet you for the first time that like you actually the way I described it to one of my girlfriends. Oh, are we sitting back by the way we can move? Sorry, I don't know. Like by the way, you're in a skirt or wrangly skirt. Sorry, I'm just so classy. And you come to your podcast, you're not wearing something wrangly, I take offense to that. Do I need, thank you. I should tell you know what we need to make. We need to take notes. Like notes. When I got the email, I'm like, okay, and let me go in my closet and see what I have wrangly. But I wear this mini skirt all the time.

3:02It's so cool. I don't think you even still make it. Oh, we don't, but honestly, it is such a good skirt. It's a skirt. Oh my god. It's a great white lemon skirt. What were we saying? You were saying, oh, I love this already. We told a friend about the interaction. And I said to her, my best friend from high school, because the day you stepped on our TV, we were like, that's our friend. That's our girl. We're going to follow her for the rest of the class. It's the glam, the glam, the glam. And I described it as, you're a cool girl who has cool things and you're like, hey, look at my cool things and look at your cool things. Yes. And like, you do fun stuff and I do fun stuff. Yes. And like, let's talk about the fun stuff we do. Yes, I want to say. You give no jealousy. I'm not. I'm not. You give no like. And in this industry, I feel like that's very rare. I'm not jealous. I think I'm more, and this is about you, but I'm more recently like, and I don't know how you feel about this, but I'm definitely like competitive. There is a fire in me that there is also a chip on my shoulder where I'm like, well, I should be further along or I should have more. Yeah. Do you like revenge? What's revenge? I know what am I boomer? What's revenge?

4:03No, like revenge. Oh, just a simple question about something. Oh, my God. It's this new show. Actually, it was a show at home. I was like, is that a TVS? Like, what the fuck is revenge? Like does that? No, no. I, you know what's so, oh, you're going to open me up today and this is not about me. I was talking about something that happened to me that has caused so much anxiety to me, anxiety to me for years. Like, somebody did something like, I was talking shit about somebody to somebody who's also talking shit about somebody before an interview. Okay. I told the other person, but this was like a harmless 30 second conversation. Like, it didn't need to be repeated. And instead of owning it, I mumbled through this person confronting me who confronted me in a very calm manner. Okay. And, and I was like, well, I bullshit it for an hour. Instead of just being like, I said this, I didn't really mean anything by it. I was just trying to make conversation. So this person totally fucked me over. And after I saw her again, I was so like nice to her and didn't, and I was like, what is wrong with me that I couldn't have just said, I don't fucking like you.

5:06You move in a shady way and then try to get revenge later. There's something about me that doesn't fuck with that energy. Well, because I think you're a nice person. Yeah. But you didn't want to say, I don't like you because inherently that's not a mean thing to say. So I don't, and I don't find any part of you mean. Thank you. Because that were both from reality TV. I want to talk about it. First of all, what was everyone being like, you're going on real housewives of Beverly Hills? Can I tell you something? So that sort of, that like comes up every few months. And I was, it was early in the day for me. So I was like, oh, that's just like a little rumbling. My it, it had exploded. It had exploded. And it exploded throughout the day. And I was like, wait, why are we using that photo? Number one. Why is, is there not a photo of me on the internet? Can you feed photos to the internet? Like, what? They do that. Why don't you just go to my Instagram and tell the first picture I posted? Every photo they use, I'm like, that was like season one of a show that I did 10 years ago. Yeah. Please get it. I don't know how that happened. So this is what I wanted to ask you because it's Bravo T. Is it possible that they, like somebody on the Bravo side, like leaked that to see if that was going to be a warm

6:06reception? How, how did that, there is not nothing came. I don't know what happened. It was probably like a Bravo blogger that was like, well, who could it potentially be who's already unknown name? And you probably got thrown in there and they're like, oh my god, that would be perfect. And I think it's just people that would love that and they like run with it. But I shouldn't do that show, right? I. I think being off of reality TV, I never want to say never, but I don't think I could ever go back in the capacity that Bravo films reality. Do you know what I mean? Like because it's so hardcore. It's so hardcore. And like obviously I love Bravo. I love Andy, but I feel like once you're out of it, it's way harder to go back into it. This is also what I fucking hate when somebody comes up to you and they're like, I loved summer house or I loved rich kids at Beverly Hills. And then their friend is with them who doesn't know you. And they're like, wait, it's a challenge. I didn't watch. I didn't watch. Or if someone comes up to you and is like, I have no idea who you are, but my friend who knows you, I'm like, that's fine to say, but like also not, I would never go up

7:13to someone and be like, I don't give a shit about you. Yeah. That is just the kind of, and I'm always like, yeah, you don't need to know who I am. It's not that big a deal. But where's your friend that does know me? I'm happy to take a picture. It is a weird thing. Why come up and say that? I think it's almost like a humbling thing. Like they want to humble you. They want to humble you. But my, what I'm going to contradict myself because I hate that person that's like, I didn't watch that show. When you were doing summer house, I was working like a dog. Yeah. So you were doing E. I was doing E, like 20 shows on E. So you and summer house, like you have now exploded. Not to be so interviewing me, but like you've exploded. You're all over the place. But I miss the sort of page summer house situation. Like when you were filming summer house, first of all, Gary's your dad. Yeah. Okay. Gary told you to do summer house. Yeah. And were you like no fucking way, but you did it. So when I first got the call, when my girlfriend's called me and she was like, hey, I just interviewed for this reality show. They asked me like for other names. I'm going to give you your name.

8:13And I was like, I am not doing a reality show. Like there's no way I'm way too sensitive. I would never be able to handle it. My dad's like, just do the interview. Say I do the interview. I hear nothing. Two weeks before they start filming, I had gone into the batches office because I like freelance wrote the batches. You told me that was yes. Yes, yes, yes. Hannah was there. Hannah was like, oh, I'm doing the show. So I was just like, did you know Hannah from bet? Like how did you know Hannah from batches? But not very well. Like we had like maybe twice. Oh my gosh. But I knew she had gotten interview. So she was like, I'm doing summer house and I just thought, oh, I didn't get it. Honestly, probably better. It wasn't meant for me. Oh, it's always like that. Then like a week later, I get a call from them. Two girls had dropped out of the show. They asked if I want to do it and I'm like, I don't know. So I call my dad and my dad's like, if you hate it, I'll get you out and you never have to go back. Oh my god.

9:13But if you do it, you'll never have to wonder. And I feel like I have the type of parents that like, even if there was a contract and I had to be there every single weekend, they'd figure out how to get me out of it. I didn't want to do it. That's like Italian style, right? Like you don't fuck around. Yeah. Like I feel like part of my confidence is deep down. I know I can always go home. Like even if everything gets fucked up, I get canceled. I like that makes me all my money. Like I will go right back to Albany and I will move in with my parents. I don't care. Like, so I think that's part of like your fear of trying it because if you know, and I realize that's like such a privilege, not everyone has that relationship with their parents, but I, I think it shapes a lot of 100%. A hundred percent. I feel that way now. I mean, I don't even have both of them. And I'm like, if I did not have that foundation and sort of like you can be traumatized and have horrific things happen to you throughout the course of your life. But if you have that foundation at home where you have two people who love you and support you unconditionally, it's, it's your first success for the rest of your life.

10:15And even me like with my kids now, like my mom was around for every lunch, for every dinner, for every drama, for every, you know, and I am like around all the time, but I'm, I hate the fucking word. But I'm like balancing so much, like even this week, I'm kind of like today, I'm like, all right, like I have a whole other night. Like I got to kind of get home. My daughter started kindergarten next week. You know, it's just a lot. It's a lot. And you want to have that sort of relationship. No, I said this too. And I actually think I said this to you when you did in bed with Paige to Sorbo. I was very scared to like think about getting married or have a baby because I thought my whole career, they were going to be like, okay, and you're done. Like now you're just a mom. Oh my god. And you are the only person that I'm like, no, I will be like the Morgan Stewart. Like I'll still be, I'm still alive. A hundred and also. I just like wear a cuter kitten heel now because I'm running after kids. Exactly. That's a very well said. And also you literally said to me, you were like sometimes I think you don't have kids. And I was like, I fucking love that because I'm not kidding.

11:16Like even the photographer for my photo shoot two days ago was like, you have kids. I thought you're 22. I'm like, alright, 32 fine. But like I don't give that. And I think you will also not give that. It's not that I'm not proud of them. But I also don't need to lead with like, no, I know you're at home being like, you're the cutest ever like a scoop you up, put you in my bed. I like if you met row for a small, okay, good segue because I have lots of things to talk about. I we did obviously your whole chart. Do you know your chart? I've done, I've done astrology readings. Yeah. I know I'm Scorpio. Sun? Yep. Aries moon. Oh, am I Aries moon? Okay. Oh my god, is that wrong? What are you? Did you, what birthday did you do on the internet? It says November 6th, but I'm really, I'm November 4th. So that's what the fuck are we going to do? I know mine. I'm a Scorpio. Okay. And then my rising is a Aquarius. Okay. And then I'm a Pisces. Pisces moon is why you're so sensitive. Okay. Because that's how you feel.

12:17But what I found interesting, because we obviously did to Hannah's, what I don't know why, but we just did. Hannah is her, um, rising is in Scorpio. Yeah. So your son is Scorpio, her rising. And my best friend from the seventh grade is Virgo son and I'm Virgo rising. So if you have this, the sun and rising, like you are soul connected people. Mm-hmm. No, I feel soul connected to her. Okay. Summer house. So you did summer house. Yeah. Like tell me through about that whole pro, like how many seasons did you do? I know everyone's going to feel sick. Okay. I did seven. Honestly, here's something I'll say about summer house. It was one of the best experiences. Like it was so fun. Obviously there were times where I'm like, what the hell am I doing? But now being out of it two years and look, not that I'm close to everyone. I've ever filmed with. But doing reality show and I'm sure you can relate to this. No matter what happens, I will have the weirdest, most unique niche connection to these people.

13:24And like that's just like never going away. Ever. Ever. Because no one can relate. Even though you watch it on TV, it is so vastly different filming it. Yes. So like when people get annoyed with summer house, because sometimes I think they think, oh, relationships move really fast or oh, they're not really best friends. They, oh, you know, it's like, no, but you're in this like incubator. So everything does move faster. Your relationships get so deep. So quickly, I feel like also summer house was all encompassing because you had to literally live there. So what do you mean sleeping there and waking up there? Was that not fucking gnarly? Yeah, it was crazy because then like my first year, you really have to get used to it. And I would go home during the week and I would wake up in the middle of the night. Look in the corner of my room to like make sure there wasn't a camera there. And then after time, you're like, you don't care. You don't care. But like somebody's watching that camera at all time. Like you're changing. Like eventually you just like can't. But they couldn't use watching it at all times in the garage.

14:25That would freak me. Yeah. The fuck. Like and they move too. So like they can control them. So like if you're in the room and you walk from one side to the other, you see it move and like follow you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's true. It's really the Truman show. Like if you are like naked, you're just naked and they're just not using that. Or were you in the, in, in, we're going to the back. So it does like a quick clip of a nude body changing. So we would go on the closet, like in the bathroom and change. But like do you ever forget? Like I feel like I would forget. Sometimes like when you're like rushing, I would like take my top off and like turn away from the camera. Yeah. Of course. So they're then that, no, like and they didn't come into the bathroom. I would come in the back. I would fucking home unless you're in there with more than one person and then they can come in. Are you serious? Okay. So Hannah did how many seasons with you? Hannah did three seasons with me. Okay. Because I, as I've been talking about you all week, I saw literally the first clip of Hannah I've ever seen on summer house. Like I, you're all over TikTok. I've seen a million.

15:26This was the first time when I saw her in Amanda fighting. She came up on my TikTok randomly for 100 years ago. So you guys became very close on the show. Our third season was COVID. It was 2020. We should have never filmed that season. I don't know why we ever filmed that season. How did you even manage that because you were in the house? Well, typically we would go in like the weekend before 4th of July and we couldn't. So we waited until August. We had to like do all the protocol, whatever. And then we were in the house. We were only supposed to be in the house for like four weeks, but someone had a false positive. So we had to shut down production for a full like week and a half. So we're in there not filming, but the cameras are still on, but they weren't like recording or like filming, but they were like still watching us to see if anything was happening. And then we picked back up that two weeks later. So we were there for like six weeks. So no one realizes we were going crazy. Like we couldn't leave the house.

16:26We couldn't go into the kid. You had to text someone like we're going, I'm going into the kitchen. We couldn't be around each other. No, I can't. I'm like in this two weeks anxiety. Like I like have to move. Okay. And me and Hannah were they put us in the basement. They're like, we don't have enough rooms. You two to the basement. Oh, it was a gym that they put a bed in. So it smelled. No, it's not like rubber. The floor was rubber. There was a sauna next to us. Like it was awful. And then that was the season. Hannah got fired. And it was. And it was the worst for me because she was really like such my security blanket. Oh my god. So then I went back the next season and I was like, this isn't for me anymore. I was just like, this is not funny. Like no one's laughing at my jokes. Like no one gets my joke. No one gets it. And then I like powered through for like four more seasons. Four more year later. I thought we were literally like. But then we started giggly squad. Well, that's what I want to do. Like how did we get to giggly squad? First of all, I love that you were like four more seasons. That's a Scorpio thing. Like I'm gonna keep fucking going.

17:27I'm loyal. Well, I love revenge. I was like, you fired my friend. I have to stay here. I have to stay. And I have to see somebody wrongs you. Are you out for them? Oh, yeah. Oh, I have revenge still on people from 10 years ago. So like it'll hit. Do you actually want to see them like suffer? Yeah. Okay. No, I want whatever you want for your life. I want you to not get it. Like that's my type of revenge. And I want whatever you said I couldn't do. I want to do it 10 times. That's very square. That like it freaks you out. Are you confrontational like verbally? If you have to be. If I have to be, if someone like fucks you over, are you getting in their face? Yes. You are. Oh, yeah. So if a girl's like nasty, you're like no. It's like in my 20s, yes. Yes, of course. But like now if a girl is rude to me, I'm kind of like poor you. Hard for the course. Yeah. Okay, I get I would be jealous to like hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like rude to my friend. Then I can't like and especially Hannah because she's so

18:30not confrontation, like she'll cry before she yells and I'm like, you got to stand up for her. Like stick it the knife and yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like part of me staying on summer house was also partly of like she picked my friend off and I'm going to stay friends with her. And people were like I think a little confused that I was staying with her and I was like, well, I'm gonna kick her while she's down. She gets really upset to go. She's really upset. She's really blindsided. I would feel the same way to be honest with you. But we started Giggly Squad right before we went into the house. Like we started Giggly Squad in like May of 2020. Oh my God. Just on Instagram live. Oh my God. Okay. Because our show was airing. Like our last season was airing during COVID. When you're in the basement. Yeah, like we were about to go film that. We were about to go film in the basement, but like the previous season was airing. So we would get on Instagram live. We'd talk about the show and then we just started doing like random stuff. So when we were about to go in and film the show,

19:30our agents were like, when you get out, we can't do Instagram live anymore. But like, let's make this a podcast. Do you know why? That first time I ever had a panic attack was in Denver, Colorado. We were about to do a Giggly Squad show. What happened? I walked me through the panic. So I don't do well in, you can't change my elements. My body's very sensitive. Like I can't just go on vacation and then be like ready. I need it up to hey, like two days. I'm like, let me settle in. Like I can't just like, do you want to know why? Because I think most of our lives, people expect us to be performing. Sayage something funny. Like be the entertainment at dinner. I can't always perform. No. So like I need a minute when I get on vacation. What were we talking about? No, honestly, I don't even know. And I don't care because I want to go back to vacation because the acne post plane, right? I need two days to sit. I need to be gorgeous. I need, I went to Italy this summer. We we cropped. We were at Conco just going to lower the fuck. Yeah, fuck. Two days apart.

20:30And I was like, fuck that sonar that could have been a live show. And literally the second, the first time I was in Portofino, when you say your body is sensitive, this was me. It just went down. No, I couldn't leave the hotel room. I was like, I cannot move my body. I got a stomach virus for five days. I go, how did I get this? The guy who brought me room service. Obviously there's no HIPAA in Italy. No, of course. Oh, two kids floor down. They wiped out the whole first floor. I go, what? No. He goes, yeah, thank you from Australia. They have a stomach bug. I mean, I thought I was die. I was in the room in the hotel room. My boyfriends and their, my parents are in the room next to me. On the other side, is there, are we throwing, is it both ends? Not to be both ends. I'm sitting on the toilet. I'm throwing up in the bed. No. I literally yelled to my boyfriend. I go, you gotta get my mom. Like, you got, it's for him. I'm like, I'm going down. Like, I, this might be the last time you guys see me. Bet pain. There's nothing like it. It was an out of body experience. And you're in a hotel room.

21:31This stomach bug, we were talking about, oh, panic. Oh, so I, this is good for my ADD podcasting. So I get to Denver. We're about to do a giga-league squad live show. I don't do well with elevation. So I was like, oh, let me get an IV. When I land of just like fluid, so I don't get like lightheaded and whatever. I get the IV, we get to the show, we're in the green room. And I'm just like, guys, I'm having a panic attack. Like I start hysterically crying. I'm sweating. I'm almost like, I'm almost like, we have to cancel the show. My makeup artist, who ran- Did you travel her there? No, but you used it a local- No, I knew her randomly. And she was like, oh, I'm gonna be in Denver. Let me do your makeup. Who have the glam god on your fucking side in a way that I've never seen? She goes, my best friend is in the crowd. I know for a fact she has a beta blocker on her. Let me go get it. She goes, back, gets me a beta blocker. That was my first introduction to beta blockers. I take that, I do the show. From there on out, every show I did, I had to take a beta.

22:33I've never taken one. Do you get anxious? Paige? Like when you public speak though. Talking to you right now, I go in and out of being anxious. Really? Oh, get them. No, what is it going to do? Am I going to start to slur? It does nothing. Like I'm someone that I think, I can't take Xanax. Do you take Xanax? I don't take anything unless the turbulence is crazy. Okay, I can't take Xanax. I don't know for whatever reason. I'll fall asleep. I think it does the opposite to me. Like I take Xanax and I'm like, oh my god. Like we're freaking out. Like I fall my mom one time. I'm like, it's not good over here. Yeah, you gotta come over. A beta blocker is for people with high blood pressure. So it does nothing to your brain. It literally just lowers your heart rate a little. So you stop sweating. Like my hands would shake really bad. My feet would go numb. Oh my god. You feel numb. You feel numb. But yet your brain is still the same. The sensory, the senses of doing things like good time check. You are so lucky because Giggly Squad, you obviously have Hannah.

23:35So you guys can just bullshit and talk about what I would do. No, I can never do this. Like you and I, I'm like, oh, we can just talk about it. We can talk about this mic for two fucking hours. But I've really had to sit. It's also, I say this a lot, but like I've had to adjust. It is an hour of talking to somebody who everyone I want to talk to you, but it's still the pressure is on me to keep things going. And I am a very ADD relaxed in and out person. Like I want to go into weird topics. So to keep it streamlined, I don't even remember why I'm talking about this right now. It's hard to have a podcast the way you do it. It is. I feel like mine's way easier because if I run out of things to say, I'm like, Hannah tell them a story. Yeah. Hannah, let's talk about the tweezers you should buy or like, you know, it just like random stuff. Yeah. Or like, that's why when I started, I was like, I don't want this to be a promotional tour. Right. I want this to just be people that want to talk about whatever. Like if we want to talk about public speaking, yeah. You feel like you've gotten better at public speaking? I feel way less. Well, I never used to get anxious for it before. Okay. So when I started getting nervous for it, I got like mad at myself.

24:35Was it the crap? Was it a lot of people? You know what I think it was. I just finished summer house. I knew that I probably wasn't going back the next year. Okay. And my whole body was just like in fighter flight. Yes. For like, it had been in fighter flight for like that past six months. Mm-hmm. So I feel like right when I got out of summer house, we started the tour immediately and we were like a week on the tour. And then I have I like I think my body just got so overloaded because filming summer house and this is one thing I will say because I've filmed other shows for Bravo filming summer house is so hard. I'm sure because it's you get there on Friday and then that's it. You're filmed for the next 72 hours. I cannot imagine that. So during the week, there's like two or three days that you might possibly film where like when I filmed Southern charm, they would go film and then go home.

25:38And I would be like, did you only film summer Southern charm because of that relate? Like you just, okay, got it. Okay. Yes. But then like we did a spin-off like we did winter house where we were there for two weeks straight. That was, that was create. And my body was shutting down. Did you have like a psychologist on set? Did they ever have anybody or was just the producers that you were talking to? There is a psychologist on set, but only for the reunions. Did you have a favorite producer on summer house? Of course. You had to my Thanksgiving every year. A hundred percent. You have to. Yeah. You want to know something crazy? Actually, I don't think I've ever said this because. Clip it, bitch. Clip it. We like always thought we were getting trouble. When I got casted for summer house, I worked at ABC News. I know you were a blue velvet suit to the interview. Yes. I think you did. This guy, he was a producer at the, he did like documentaries and stuff, whatever. When I got the call for summer house, he was my first call. I was like, what do you think about this? You've done reality TV before. Wow. And he was like, you really got to sit and think about it. Like, what's your end goal? Blah blah blah. So when I decide to do it, I tell them like, okay, I'll do it.

26:39I sign my contract. Like a couple days later, he calls me and he goes, I just got casted on summer house to be a producer. And I was like, oh. But that, do you understand the chances of that? I know. What the fuck are the chances of that? So I feel like you're light. I mean, it's just, it is fate. Like the way, did you ever expect to be in this position? You did. We always know. We know, right? Like I think for my entire life on my birthday, like starting at five years old, I would wish like, I want to be famous and like, really rich. And I want to be on TV. Can I tell you something? I just like, when you're a girl that knows it, you just know it and it happens. Like it's not delusional. Like I really truly believe if you know, you're not meant to be like other people and you are meant for greatness. Yeah. You have that in you. I would sit in school. Yeah. And like look around the classroom and be like, yeah, you guys will need this. I won't need this. I won't need this. No, and I literally even worse. I'd be like, loser, loser. I'm like, I don't need to take chemistry. Literally. I won't need it in podcasts.

27:40It's, but also like, it's so you have to think about like your career for me. And I want to know how it feels for you, like summer house doing all of that. And then transitioning into Giggly squad and then leaving reality TV at the right time. Like it has all lined up so beautifully for you. Would you agree with that? I agree. And do you not feel like it's just been a straight trajectory upwards? Yeah. Where that is the only thing for me where I'm sometimes like, I have not had that experience. Like I had rich kids. It was successful. Yeah. I don't think we were meant to feel how successful it really was. Like now people are like, I, rich kids was, I seasons was a four seasons. Okay. Filmed over two years. We were like, wow. Yeah. Like it was a quick blip and it was always like, well, are we picking it up? We never realized. We realized. Didn't they do more? It was the wrong management. It was just the wrong decision. Like we should have gone on, but I think they felt like with the wedding, it was concluded and it was just sort of like there's nowhere else to go. Yeah. But like after math was way better. After math was way fucking better. And like, Roxy could have come back. So many people could have had different things like go, what do you do Beverly Hills housewives?

28:41I think if they, I'm like what you said earlier, really stuck out when you said never say never. Like I'm a big believer. I don't think I'm, I've come this far to do that show. No shade to that show. The cast says it's currently, where would I fit? Yeah. We are in totally separate places. Like if they would have, if they would do, I've never said this out loud. If they were to do, if they were like, if they got everyone on board to do rich kids or real housewives of Beverly Hills and it was us, done. They could, they rebooted New York. They could re, if they rebooted Beverly Hills, that could happen. That could happen. But I'm like, do I want to, like what am, why am I doing all of it? I give Stasi so much credit. She, but she, I have so many things I want to say about that. Like so much credit. Yeah. I give her, I mean, she had to really have sat down and think about it because I would have, if someone would have asked me would she go back on reality TV, I probably would have said no.

29:42But so like seeing her go back on TV, I'm like, oh, could I do reality TV again, but I don't think I could do it in that capacity. But it also to be fair on transparent, you don't need to. Like if I went on Beverly Hills house, I've like going into the trajectory conversation, it's like I did rich kids. I did, you know, all the shows at E took a hiatus because I had all the news talking about you didn't have an up to, you were the face of E. Yeah, but it wasn't like, I guess, Monit, it just, it doesn't feel like it's sort of like the sit, I don't know, it just was like, anyone who's a fan of you doesn't think that. I appreciate that. Like all my girlfriends, no, everyone thinks you are like the coolest, most successful, you've had the dream career. I appreciate that. And I guess now coming back into it and doing something new, I'm just sort of like, well now you're Victoria Beckham. Am I Victoria Beckham? Yeah. Yeah, she looks, I can't phenomenal. Like what is the deal? Like how do the arms look so cut? And I'm like, I have access to stuff and I can't figure it out. Now the two of them together, I'm like, what do you guys do at night? No, what do you just like just look at each other or do they like not talk at all?

30:42Like I can't figure it out. Like I definitely think they have like sexual scheduled time. Yeah, I could see that. It doesn't feel off the cuff to me. Yeah. It feels like Thursday. It feels like it feels planned. They have everything. It's like the wine. It's the this because I think they both love being beautiful. Yeah. And he loves it. And I love when hot people find each other. I love when hot people fornicate. Yeah. It's like, what do you feel like Kendall and Jacob? Are you into that? I think it's good for the planet. I think it's good for the planet. Like I really, I think it's bringing us together. Like when Doomo posts photos of them and I'm like, please don't end. Please don't end. Like I need to see more of it. Because the fact that they are just equally as hot as one another and then they both get to see each other naked and be excited about that and then do more than see each other naked, my head spins around. Yeah. Like how are we just doing that? It's crazy. It's locked in. I haven't seen a hot guy in four years.

31:45I haven't seen. Can I tell you something? Where are they? I'm like walking down the streets of New York City. I'm like, this is it. This is it. Well, are you doing the West Side Highway sometimes? Because I think if I do like a walkie home from dinner to my hotel, sometimes I'm like, but it's always shirtless and jobless and I don't show this jobless. No, because if you're on the West Side Highway, you're running and I don't, I'm not running. I'm not dating someone who's running. Are you working out? You know. You know, tell me. Like at all. So I try and do like my 10,000 steps a day. Okay, so you're doing that around New York City. I'm doing my 10,000 steps. Sometimes will I do a sculpt society like on my computer? Oh, you're never been so weak. I'm not going. Oh, my God. That's hard. I'm very against good class. Oh, I can't. Oh, I'm not doing a group class. No, I can't do it. I just don't want to. Like I don't want to get up. I don't want to get ready. I don't want to go there. So why if I have all the equipment and I'm in my pajamas, why can't I just do it in my living room? So to me, that takes more motivation.

32:46Like I rather get up, get dressed and get out of the house and do something. Group class, I can't do. It's just too famous now. Like I'm not doing that. But I like that I can pause Megan sometimes and be like, you're getting crazy. You're getting crazy when she's just like, and lift and pelvis. I'm like, where are all these things getting sucked in? And so I take a little break and I'll do the second half. But I mean, now I should be like, I should be. You look great. Is that all your hair? This is all my hair. I don't understand. I was going to ask you, first of all, can I tell you something? I'm so anti-bangs and you are banger. They look so weird. I am like such an anathaway, like Dakota Johnson, lover of, but they need those. You are so pretty. Thank you. And your makeup is so good. I want to die. Um, Paige and I talk about glam a lot. I talk about glam with everybody. Yeah, but it's our culture. It's our culture, but I'm telling you, most people who look good in bangs need them. Okay. Do you understand? Like we talk about bangs forever.

33:46Like Dakota, it made her look completely. She's like, wispy sexy. Like, oh, she's that voice, like whatever we're doing. You do not need bangs. It's not a forehead proportionate thing. But for some reason, you are like, I now don't see you without bangs. Thank you. So who just, you just were like, it's bang time? I like, when it comes to my hair, I'm very like, it'll grow back. And I can't always have the same look. It's because it's good hair. Thank you. That's why. And I had a bob for so long that I like, once when I started like growing out my hair, I was like, okay, but I can't just have like straight long hair. Like I need something. So then I like started cutting bangs. No, it looks so good. And the other thing about you, which I really appreciate to talk about hair in the most segue, when people have dark brown hair, a lot of times they fuck with the highlights. And that's a no-no. I've never died. You can never die it. Yeah. It is nothing worse. If you are like a stunning brunette or you have a gorgeous, like a dark blonde, the like orange highlight, like we can't be doing.

34:48I would look ridiculous. No, you look, it's just such a good, my hair color really, like what I was born with is what I was supposed to have. Yeah, 100%. You've never been weird looking. We were talking about that because we, we were a child model. And my assistant showed me photos of, was it limited to or limited? Yeah. And I looked at you and I was like, oh, so she's never been weird looking. She's looked the same her whole fucking life. I really, I've looked the exact same. I never have like an awkward face. What the fuck? Usually people who don't have an awkward face are ugly at this point and you've stayed consistently beautiful. Thank you. Like parents did a good job with that. Thank you. What do you look like? Probably my mom, I would say the most. Like she, my mom's a hundred percent Italian. Okay. So her features are like her eyes are dark. Her hair is dark. Tam. She's actually not that Tam. Like my dad who's only like half Italian, he's Tanner than her. Wow. Like I get my skin complexion. I feel like more from him. Like her and my brother are a little bit more fair skinned than my dad and I.

35:50Where's your parents meet? My parents met like the first day of college. They were 17. No. Okay. And my dad kept asking my mom to drive her home and she kept being like, I'm good thanks. And then like the last day he was like, this is the last time I'm asking this bitch. Basically. And she said yes. And that was a, where were they at college in Albany? Oh, so they've been there their whole lives. So they've been together how long now? 20, what is that? My brother is 39. They've been together or 38. They've been together almost 40 years. Yeah. Wow. And like Morgan, it's like sickening. Oh, okay. Tell me. Like they, I feel like I very much someone that has the opposite of daddy issues because I just, I'm like, okay, well, my dad will do it then. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. 100%. I'll call my dad. So and the way my dad is to my mom, he would die without her. Yeah. His whole life is based around what she thinks and what she says. And he's like, he doesn't do, they've never done anything apart.

36:53I was raised very similarly. And so like when I started dating, actually, like a year, not even a year ago, like a couple months ago, I looked at my mom and I go, how dare you not tell me about the men? Like I feel like you didn't prepare me, the men are as useless as they are. No, it is beyond trauma from the men. What kills me about the men, drama and toxicity from the man is that they are so unaware of it. So unaware. They have no idea. Like I'm dealing with men all day long on different shit and I'm like, you're fucking stupid. And you were, and it's like, I'm like, I brought like, what? I'm like, no, you're actually just wrong. If anyone in a **** or you **** thinks I'm a diva, I could see that. Yeah. Because there are certain times where I'm like, no, this is ridiculous. No, am I doing this or like, do I? But can I tell you, I don't want to look at this. I've never heard that. Oh, I want you to know that. You know, everyone, I'm a pleasure to work with. Oh, no, I, it's not good at toilet. No, but you're clear, which is so important. Yeah.

37:53Yeah, I'm very direct. Were you good in school? If I truck, no, like naturally smart, no, I had to really try, but I was competitive. So like, I knew I wasn't really the smartest, but I hated not being the smartest. So I like worked harder. What are you competitive at now? Or do you feel like you're in such a good spot where you're like, or do you want world domination? Like what's your goals? Do I want world domination? No, I will say I think now my definition of success is like slowly, slowly changing. I'm married or have children yet, but I like, if I look now to like the next five years, I feel like my definition of success is being able to say no to certain things. And like not having to think of my five year plan, like I want to be able to buy a house and like nestle into it and like have a child and experience that. You'll have a girl first. You'll have a girl first. You'll have a girl first. You'll have a girl first. You'll have a girl first.

38:54You'll have a girl first. You'll have a girl first. I'm starting to, I'm starting to not feel that right now, but like the past couple of years, yes, because also when I was getting off of summer house, my biggest thing was I didn't come out with anything while I was on the show. I'm missing my opportunity. So even like the day I started about 25, I was like, what's my product? Yeah. Like I'm coming out of the product, but what is it? And so it took me a couple of years to really like think about it, like mull it over or whatever. And then when I was getting to the point where I was like, I don't really want to do this anymore. I was like, but shit, I didn't come out with anything. So butch actually ended up, I feel like working out better. So like I was starting Daphne as I was leaving. Okay. Daphne's great. But really summer house gave me like the fans gave me Daphne because they were the first ones to be like, she's so lazy. She's always in the bed. Like we can like she doesn't go out while she on the show.

39:56She's born. Oh, it was like, hey, I don't know. I think it was like, I knew it was like a loud like, okay, the bed, the bed, the bed, like I'm lazy. Like what should I do? And so I was like, oh, I'm coming out with pajamas, like done. How long have you had Daphne? We've been open. We were a year in June. Oh, so it's a baby. Yeah. She's a baby. Why do I feel like it was longer than that? I know. I feel like we've been around longer, but we haven't. I mean, like the year prior, I was like work putting my team together and stuff. But we didn't launch till last June. Are you designing? I have a designer. Yeah. And we kind of like, we're like, we're texting nonstop. It's pictures back and forth. Okay. And do you like it? I love it. You love it. I love it. So you're doing like, it's and what about the shift? I almost forgot. Don't forget. So you have Giggly squad. Yep. You have Daphne. Yep. We're doing a show now with Amy Poler. You're writing a show. Yep. What did tell me about what the fuck? Okay. So what? That tour where I had my panic attack was so transformational for me, like as a woman.

40:56How long did was that tour? We started in September and we went to like February. And did you guys do everything yourself? Like did you have like a producer set the show like we do it ourselves. You do everything yourself. Me, Hannah and a girl named Grace. And we just go off. And you just like do segments and you just like our formula. We do it. It's the same show. But live. Yes. We have a PowerPoint. No. Can I tell you something too? Our first show like Alva tour, we haven't done it yet. I love it. We even done the show. I love that. Hannah will put together a PowerPoint. She'll flip through it inside this. What we're going to talk about. Let's go out and see how it goes the first time. And then we do it. That's the only way. And that's really what you the most natural. It can be. And then that ends up being the best version. And then the next show, we're in a different city. Okay. We'll do a joke that's tailored to that city. That's not in the other shows. Then we get like our footing and then you know what jokes work. Like it's very funny. Like going to Texas and doing like jokes compared to like New York City.

41:59Like it's just it's different. Like what's the South is different? What's a joke in Texas that does not work in New York City and vice versa? Like anything about abortion. By the way, obviously, right? But because we're in Texas and it's girls that are all like, like, minded like us, they're laughing harder because they're like, it's crazier down here. But then it is in New York. Well, like if you joke about abortion in New York, they're like, but you can get one. So it's like cereal. Yeah, they're like, okay. But like in Texas. So there's just like certain jokes that are like, oh, that's kind of crazy. And the South is way different. I mean, the South is way different. The men are way different. Like more concert, like obviously more conservative. Oh, yeah. And actually the men in the South are ruder at our shows than anywhere else in the country. They're almost like annoyed. They have to come with a girlfriend. Like we've had some guys that are a little bit. And so do you kind of tell the audience like, don't bring your man if he doesn't want to be there? No, we want them to bring their boyfriends because one of our segments is called Is He Trash. And so we pick a boyfriend from the crowd.

43:00We bring him up on stage. We ask him questions. And then we just determine if he's trash or not. And was he trash in the South? We like, on his own. Yeah, most of the people we bring up on stage are so lovely and so nice. And we feel bad like making fun of them. But like we have to. It's the show. So the majority are really good guys. There have been like maybe I could think of like two where I wanted to go up to the girlfriend and be like, get out. Get out. Oh my God. Yeah, you're literally. This is also random and been swirling in my head, but I want to get to the show. How are you about people coming up to you on the streets asking for photos or like on airplanes? I love it. You say yes all the time. I manifested that way. You never say no. Never. If you're on an airplane and the flight attendant is like, can we get a photo and you look awful? You're like, we'll take it. Yeah. I've never said no. Same, same, same. I think early in reality TV, I was around a lot of people that were really rude to fan. I've seen people be so rude to fans to the point where I've like gone up to that person and been like, I'm so sorry. Like I can be the person to that to you. Like people on reality shows.

44:01Yeah, just like people I've been around. Wow. When that started happening to me, I would like notice it happening to other people and I've like had seen people be rude. So I was like, I would never. Because also. Oh my God. It comes up to you. The first thing I think of is they thought about coming up to me for at least five minutes. Like should I do it? Should I not? Should it, like what would I say? And so like that alone, I'm like, I feel bad that you've even went through that anxiety. Of course, I'm going to take a picture with you and ask you a singular question about yourself. Yes. So I, and also. It's a good way to think about it. I've like, I've wanted this life. No, you're so right. I've had like, back to what we were talking about in the very beginning, I had somebody come up to me when I was in Italy over at the summer and was like, my friend loves you. I don't know who you are. Let's take a photo and I took it and I felt kind of dirty after that. That's different. Yeah. And then I was like, I need to be more aware of like, and somebody asked me, I was having sushi on Friday when I go, what day are we two days ago who gives a shit. And somebody, the waitress was like, I have a customer that comes all the time. She's obsessed with you. Can she take a photo with you?

45:02Could she come over? And I was like, this is the first time I've ever said no, but I have to eat food or I'm going to drop dead. I cannot take a photo. And then did she come back? No, I just sort of like let it be. So that I just want to admit that to you. I just, I've only one time. But you want to know what? It takes that girl to go on the internet. And then there you go. And then there you go. And then there you go. And then into a bravo blog. I know. Guess who I just met. I know. And you know what? And that's how it happened. But guess what? Because I put it out there first. So I'm sorry if you're the girl that was a sushi, but I just needed to eat food. You know, I met you. Yeah, I could have passed out. By the way, that was a medical thing actually. Sensitive babies. Okay. Show. Yeah. Any polar. Like what? Transformation. I started this tour and Hannah is like, what's going on in your life? You're having these panic attacks. Like you need to like get back to yourself. And we're just attacks. Like just attack. I had one attack. But then before every show I was like, I was just like not myself for the whole time. I get that. And thank God I really was with her because it was just like so much support from like the exact person you need it from.

46:08Which is your friend who's not judging you. And so it was just amazing. So we're obviously together so much. So we just started like riffing and like doing bits back and forth. And then finally, Hannah was like, I'm going to write this down because I feel like this could be like a scripted show. And I was like, amazing. It's like January our tour is like about to be over. We get a call from AB Polar. She wants to meet with us. Oh, we fly out L.A. Oh, you flew out. We fly out L.A. We go to her office, which is like insane. No, just like the most magical. I don't know where we were in L.A. But you know, like when you're driving in L.A. And you're like, that looks like a dungeon. Like what is that random building? We open this like big like door sliding, sliding outside door. And it just like opened up into like these like hills and like a pool. And Amy Polar was like up at the top of the hill. She was in a robe. She goes, I just took a shower. I'll be right down. I was like, what? What? What? Commun? Did I enter and like I'm staying? Yeah. I'm staying here.

47:08And so we meet with her and she was like, we would love to do something with you. And we were like, well, we like kind of have a pilot written like, we'll show it to you. And so she's like, great. And she like reads it. And she's like, yeah, we can like do something. And like that was a, are you so? Yeah. And we were like, oh, yeah. And we couldn't tell anyone for so long. That is so fucking insane. So then where are we now with that? So we're working on working on it now, like writing it. Okay. So you're writing, okay. So there's no like air. We don't know. No, no, no, it's everything takes so long. That's crazy. That's all we know. But no, we have no like time yet when we start filming. You were going to play yourself. Are you going to be in it? Yeah. I was, this was a question that I wasn't going to ask about my producer. I was like, ask, yeah, we're playing it ourselves. If I was in the show and I wasn't playing myself, like who would play me? Oh my god, that's an amazing question. I would put you in some type of role where like you were an authority. Like you were either like a boss somewhere or like.

48:08That's probably right. Yeah. Like maybe I like worked for you or something. I don't know where I'd put you, but you would be like an authority. Okay. Like we'd be scared to. Okay. And piss you off. Wow. I feel like is that because I'm always angry about glam. No, I think because you always like look so good. I look thank you. That's really appreciate that. I want to mess up your day. Yeah, no. She got glam. Also, wait, this is the other thing. I have, I know you got Botox once. Yeah. This is so not anywhere. And you were like, I'm never doing it again. Yeah. And I just went to go get it. And then he was like, no, and I was like, you're right. I'm kind, I have so much movement and I'm kind of like, I'm a little fit. Dude, I couldn't talk. I know. I think she put it here. You don't, first of all, that was the wrong place. She said she needed to balance out. I said, what's your, she don't want you to, she did it one time and she did it here and it was fine. And then I went back like four months later to get like a little refresh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't, I didn't think she was going to put it here again.

49:10I thought she was just going to do my forehead again, but she was like, no, I'll just like bounce it out again, whatever. And then like a week later, my, I woke up and when I talked only this side, like, no, like fully pulled. What's going on here? Like a week later, I was supposed to host the red carpet for Netflix actor awards. And I'm like, hey, I got a P.I.V. live TV. Like, what do we do? And she was like, okay, well, come in. I'll balance it out. No. Because I couldn't wait for the other side to like drop a little. So I go and she balances it out. So I go do Netflix and I can't move anything down here. So I'm trying to like smile and talk. And then finally, it like, I just got normal. I got it in February. I just got normal. I'd say in like May, June. Dude, it's so not. You have an experience like that you never want to go back. Yeah, I'm like, I love like micro needling. The best change my life. Micro needling is I've done every laser. I don't do like a lot of like injections. I was just doing Botox.

50:12Micro needling single handedly has changed my skin. Agreed. And it just gets better and better. I like don't ever break out anymore. No, it's instant. And like your pores get smaller. Your face gets tighter. Even if you're like micro needling under the eyes, I feel like I'm really, really, glowing. Glowing. Yeah. And like glowing a week later, but is your downtime bad? No. Yeah, I would agree. Uh, plastic surgery done. Oh, plastic surgery. She's amazing. Are you injecting PR, like are you doing PRP? Kind of are you doing like the blood and that? Nope. Oh, no. Should I shoot it? Yep. Okay. I'm going to do that nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We just finished my gro needling. And so you're in New York for a little bit now. Yeah. What are your plans for are you just like doing giggly squad right now? We're doing it. We do giggly squad twice week. And on June. We do zoom usually like during the summer. And then we go back to like being in studio. Did you do it in Italy? Yeah. So do you? And I've never taken a pod off. Do you not? Do we not need a break? We have never, like you know what? Some pot. Do you have a season? I don't know what I have. I don't know where we are. Like some pods do like a season. We filmed like we record during Christmas.

51:13We actually had to have our podcast company say like legally. You have to take these two weeks off. And we're like, oh, we have stuff to say. I'm upset. I am upset with you. I'm so happy for you, but proud of you. And you should be so fucking proud of yourself. Thank you. Okay, we're going to do a quick rapid fire. Are you excited? I'm excited. We really worked hard on these. Okay. Sleep mask or blackout curtains. Blackout curtains. I can't do either. I like wake up and feel like I'm trapped. I love that. Yeah. Ballet flats are kitten heels. Oh, well, it depends on where I'm going. But I would say a ballet flat. I hate that question. Who put it in? Okay. Bermuda shorts are micro shorts. I love it. I love them. But I feel like you could do Bermuda. I do like a Bermuda. With these shoes. Yes. You know, I think a micro short. I'm just like, oh, it's so cute. She's so cute. It's so cute. A hundred percent. Reality TV or period piece. Period piece. Period piece. I mean, we kind of knew that was your answer from Captain. Yeah. We just didn't want to like assume. Yeah. Hamptons or Jersey Shore.

52:13Jersey Shore. Same. I. I know that you're that's not. I know Jersey Shore. Isn't your answer. Let me just give context. Tell me. I have PTSD. I can't step in the hamptons and not get flooded with every ridiculous thing I've done on TV. Right. I feel okay. Okay. So I really can't go there. You can't go there now. Texting all day or don't speak to me until dinner. See, look at these thought provoking questions we do here. I would say like in between. If you don't text me before dinner. How are we going to? Hello. Like you obsessed with me or die? Die. Correct. But don't text me all day because that's annoying. It's like there's like that thing that I just posted last week or something where it's like, oh my god, people don't invite me to something nobody cares and then one person invites me somewhere and I'm like, whoa. I'm like, I'm not going. It's a lot. Like stop fucking. Do you go places? Absolutely never. Okay. Me neither. Every time.

53:13I'm like, I'm not going to be like, what's the next step that I got invited to and I'm like, where are they inviting me? I don't want to go to that at all. But then if I didn't get invited, I'd be like, what are they fucking crazy? They should be lucky to have me. I'm not inviting them there. Don't get me. Don't get me. No, no. Someone else being invited getting paid. I'm like, what? I'll eat this mic. I'll shove it in my face. Okay. Overdressed or underdressed? Over. Okay. Because we were like, definitely we didn't know where you'd go. Like going somewhere, I'd rather be like, oh my god, I'm so overdressed than, oh my god, I'm so underdressed. You work with a stylist? Yeah. You like them? I love her. Are you collaborative? Oh yeah. Are you like, I fucking hate that? Yeah. Yeah. It's really more like we, it's like shopping with someone. It's getting a second opinion on the things you're already going to buy. That is kind of, I kind of am getting to the place where I like logistically I need someone. I don't need to creatively have someone. No. But I just like, hey, can you order this for me and do you think you could get it earlier than I could get it? It's like that. It's that vibe. I don't know. Do you think you could reach out to her and see if I could borrow that dress for this because it's not online yet? I need to be doing that more because it's ridiculous.

54:15Okay. Best Bravo Show now that you, that you were allowed to be objective, that was, that was the correct English to say that. Best Bravo Show right now. Yeah. That was an easier way to ask that. Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I'm not watching. You should. I need, it's amazing. Is that the best one of the whole? Where were you watching? I haven't watched. I haven't watched Bravo in so long that that was my first show back and it was like this recent. So did you watch like Mimi and Kim? Like were you watching it? We didn't deserve them. I watched everything on Bravo and then I got on Bravo and I couldn't watch anything. Yeah. I got that. Okay. Who would survive longer without the other one? You without Hannah or Hannah without you? Hannah without me. She's stronger. She's Mary. She's got someone to back her up. I think I forget that Hannah is maybe twice a week. I think about Hannah being married and me not knowing who that is twice a week. We don't even think of it. It's like me not having kids. Like that's what you thought. She'll say her husband to other people and I'll be like, who is that guy? I'm gross Hannah.

55:16You hang out with them? Yeah. All the time. What's his name? He's his name is Des. Yes. Des is so hilariously funny but he's like really famous in Ireland. Oh, she had a famous husband. Oh yeah. It should better go off. It's like Jimmy Fallon. He's a standup comedian in Ireland. He's very famous there. He's done like third dancing with the stars. He's like hosted shows. How do you like when they fly to Ireland, it switches and everyone's like Des, can I get a picture? If you're from Ireland and you live in New York City, you know who Des Bishop is. You know her husband. How did they meet? He DMed her. It was during COVID. He had a house in the Hamptons. She was in the Hamptons. He saw she was in the Hamptons and said, let's get coffee. And then from then on, that was in June. You have a good memory. He told me about it and by September, she was like, I'm moving in with him, I'm marrying him. And that was it. That's how you know. Yep. My last thing would you kind of be answered, but like manifesting like in the next five years, it's being able to say no to things.

56:16I think it's being able to stay no to things and being like a little calm, like having like a low cortisol and like a peaceful, just like day. You're going to need it. The second you have babies, that cortisol needs to be relaxed. It's funny that you think I'm going to have a girl first because in my gut, I think I have a boy first. Uh-uh. Yeah. Okay. You're going to psychics a lot. Oh my God. Yeah. I stay at the psychic. Wait, can you give me yours? I will give you a good one. And he is a psychic medium. So if you have anybody that's passed in your life and it is not. I love a medium. No, he will blow your fucking mind and like you'll write down a bunch of shit that he says to you and you'll be like, I don't know. And then literally you'll be like everything you've said, he'll give you names. He'll mention things to you from past relatives, people that have passed on like memories from when you were a child, like something your dad did, like it is, I will get you set up with him. He's unbelievable. Again, I'm obsessed with you. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you.

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