U.S. hits Iranian oil tankers after attacks on Navy ships

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1:00And I'm going to be in a rocking chair when you do so. Francis Tiafo talking about his post match hug with fellow American Alex Mikkelsen, who he eliminated yesterday at the US Open after Mikkelsen was just a few points away from advancing to his first ever grand slam semi-fin. And you were there to last night. I was there for the match after. But this one went so long that I walked into this incredible moment that last shot. Good morning, welcome to morning Joe. It's Wednesday, September 9th, along with Joe, Willie and me. We have the co-host of our eight-am's to our staff writer at the Atlantic, Jonathan Lamir. MSNow, National Security Reporter David Road and managing editor at the Bullwark Sam Stein is with us. So, it's scary. Sam's on already. He does have one. You know, he has to get the prep school wins one day. One day we're all out. No. Cold, no four-old Sam. It's going to be okay.

2:00The oldest prep school grad. He's the door. He's going to get into Dartmouth. He's going to clap. You know what? Go think through Sam. You're going to love that orientation that takes you on a camping trip. Very nice. Very nice. Just to be clear, all these guys are talking simultaneously. It's impossible to hear you. I know what you're saying. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. You're loud and clear, Sam. So, what about last night? A couple incredible matches. Again, the story of Tiafah, the fact that his father comes from Sierra Leone and that he works on a construction project for a tennis center in Maryland. They like him to hate if you want to take care of the grounds that's fine. He doesn't have the money for his kids to live you where they live in an old office with him. And he learns tennis. And here we are. He's now going into the semi-finals of the US open.

3:02Willie, that is the American dream. A lot of people in the White House don't understand it. Not getting political here. They don't like these stories. They don't understand these stories. They think these people from other countries should be kept out. No, no. This is America. This is what makes our hearts swell with pride to see that in America anything is possible. Yeah, it's from the refugees from war in Sierra Leone. So they fled to the United States. His father, as you said, was a custodian at a tennis center. They built it out. Tiafah and his twin brother lived there. Just took up tennis because it was there and looked at him now in the semi-finals of the US open with a chance to clear a hurdle. He hasn't been able to get over now. He will play in the semi-final. Shelton. Come on, man. It's going to be great. And Max did it. It's 3.33 AM. Yeah. You see, I'm just leaving the orphanage. That's right. We stopped by. We were in flushing anyway. Of course. It was public. Shelton wins. Heats, Alcharez, and five sets.

4:04Max is four hours and 30 minutes. By the way, still a lot of people there. 3.30 in the morning. Impressive crowd. Just an incredible match to now. We get an all-American semi-final. Tiafah Shelton, Guaranteen John. We get an American in the men's final this weekend. And long overdue, an American make that run. It's a Maittiapho. He's such an extraordinary story. And that was such a critical match. And yet, maybe not the best of the day. That's how good last night was, too. I will note, and not just to be a grumpy guy who has to get up early. These matches start a little bit late. Yeah, really. It's scheduled to start at 10.30. No, I know. It's so hard. And that can't be good for television ratings. That can't be good to grow the sport. People are missing these matches. But yes, we talk about it every year. The US Open arguably is the best two weeks in New York sports calendar. And it has more than lived up to the hype. We've got two Americans there. And we've got Americans alive on the women's side as well. I mean, imagine that you had one of those matches prime time Tiafah Pah. Yeah, I know. And then that one prime time tonight, everybody would be watching. Even the semi-finals this Friday night, the second men's semi-final, the over at midnight.

5:04Oh, yeah. And like that. But on the women's side, Jessica Pagula advanced. So she's in the semi-finals, has to play Sabah Linka again. And you might get Coco Goss if she wins today. She could be in the semi-finals. You know, it's crazy. They showed the stat every year and every year. I mean, for people that are commit more casual tennis watchers like myself, they show the stat that no American is one a major. Since 2003, that's crazy. And erotic. US Open way back. I've gone on 25 years then. One year after year, incredible one. 2002, Willie wins the Open. Nobody saw that in coming. We were eliminated very early in doubles though. We were. Just didn't have the stamina. And you should not have been smoking in between sets. Well, the problem was I walked in the court and I had cut off jeans and teeth on trunk and teeth shirt. I was reprimanded. I thought Sam went. Sam went in. Sam, he wasn't even going to change the junior. OK. He's still in the junior. He's not scared. I didn't plan for Lane P. Yeah, exactly.

6:04Yeah. All right, let's get to that. He is grumpy to do. Let's get to the news. Can we please be in the United States military says it destroyed five Iranian oil tankers yesterday in response to Iran's recent attempted attacks on a US Navy worship. The latest back and forth comes as the war stretches into its seventh month. US Central Command released this video of the strikes saying they hit four of Tehran's tankers in the Gulf of Oman and one near Kharg Island hub for Iranian oil exports. The statement said the crews of the five vessels were told to abandon ship before the attacks. In response, Iran launched missiles toward American targets in Jordan. With Jordan's military saying its air defense systems intercepted 18 ballistic missiles, while two others fell in unpopulated areas. This renewed cycle of strikes is one that may continue.

7:07Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters yesterday during his troop to Columbia that the US would respond every time Iran targeted its naval ships. All of this sending oil prices back up, reaching $100 a barrel this morning for the first time in months. You know, David, if the president's going to pursue the strategy, he's going to pursue which is to really choker on off economically. That's really his only good play left. This does make sense. I mean, he's hitting economic targets right now. And you're getting the first glimpse over the past couple of weeks of the Iranians starting to say we've got in this war. Certainly, the political leaders trying to get the revolutionary guard to understand that this economy is in full cl- I mean, this is a crazy thing. The Iranian Iran's government was buckling because their economy was so bad.

8:09In February, when this war began, now imagine how terrible the economy is right now. And with these strikes, again, it's bad news for American consumers, but at the same time, this appears to be the only path this president or any president can go down that finds themselves in this quandary. It does seem to be a clear strategy and it is having an impact. They've stopped all exports of oil from Iran in terms of taking out these tankers. But so Iran is trying again to escalate this escalation dominance thing we talked about in the beginning of the war where whenever the U.S. strikes something they hit back even harder, but many people say this is the first consistent strategy in a while. You're going to see oil prices go up, hitting $100 a barrel. Essentially, the Iranians think that Trump at some point is going to blink. He and we'll talk about this more, but it's the same thing. But I thought knowing Donald Trump has I've known him for a long time, a lot of other

9:10observers thought, who'd have blinked a long time ago. He tried to blink. He tried to bribe the Iranians and then he learned very quickly they couldn't even be bribed for $500 billion. So at that point, what choice do you have? Yes. And I would just say the critical thing is that he stick to a clear message. The eradicating messaging where it's sort of, we're going to annihilate you with the civilization or they suddenly are going into peace talks. If he sticks with this embargo strategy, which I think is something the U.S. military has been pushing, that's the question is can he be consistent for weeks and months? And John, there was a moment before David Ignatius went on break that David brought up yesterday where the president said, basically we're going to keep our head down. We're going to kind of low key this and see what happens. If you sort through all of the madness and all of the chaos that came after that to now, that's actually, if you look at what's been going on, that's sort of been the strategy

10:12as far as choking them off economically. Yeah, I mean, we're greedy on the curve here, but in terms of message discipline, Trump has largely stuck to this idea that what's going to be this economic chokehold and will hit as needed. But I mean, we're not seeing tweets and say, pieces at hand. No, we, oh my gosh, we have a piece still. It's going to be signed on Sunday. It's been a while since that. That's not. And we've also, they've also stopped the talk of like wiping out their civilization and we've had a praise beat, a lot in a few weeks either. The problem is it's still two competing goals here for this white house. On one hand, there is this, this economic strategy, which is going to be a longer term play. It's going to take a while to, you know, the roll out the sanctions that this chokehold because the Tehran has shown a remarkable resilience so far with their economy. And frankly, they don't much care if their people are suffering. So there's, that's one that's going to take a while. The problem is the clock is ticking towards the midterms. And as David just said, this strategy, though it's probably his best play, though it, though it very well, some of his rivers think this could work. It's going to keep oil prices high.

11:14And if there are these sporadic strikes, Willie, it's going to keep the war in the headlines, which is the last thing Republicans want now two months until voters go to the polls. Another dishonor of Trump is trying to turn the page for months on this war. I'm just looking over David's shoulder at the prices there. Crude $95 a barrel. Brent crude $100 a barrel Sam Stein. So obviously this is an economic strategy at this point from the White House. But as the guys just said, it's to underline it. By attacking those oil tankers, the price of oil goes up, making President Trump's domestic problems even worse, making gas prices higher here for people going to the pump and making Republicans running for reelection this fall, making their job much more difficult. Yeah, and I don't disagree with anything that was said, but I guess the only question I have is to what end are we doing this, right? What does the off-frame actually look like? We had a memorandum of understanding that was pretty vague in terms of its objectives. Is the idea here regime change? Is it weapons inspectors getting access to sites? Is it ending formally the nuclear ambitions?

12:15I mean, what is the actual end game? I think that matters here because if we are going to do this long-term economic focus strategy, if we are going to just rest on an embargo, attack their oil tankers and endure the pain at the pump, there has to be some sort of diplomatic off-ramp. And from everything I've seen, it's unclear if there's actually diplomatic back channels happening in real diplomatic back channels, not these sort of talks here and there. And also a stated clear list of objectives that we want to get done. After that, this is just a crisis in Stasis, right? Right, it is, David. I would guess that looks though at the end, this straight-up and the status quo after the war that we had before the war. So Iran can't run around saying we've actually improved our standing economically since somewhere that's number one and number two. Some sort of nuclear inspection, Donald Trump won't get rid of the Iranian nuclear program but if they can go back to some sort of inspection regime, then he can say we want.

13:18Yes, and there are players just in Sam's question, the Qataris are trying to work this out. The Pakistanis and the Omani's are as well. And you have a divide in the Iranian government. The hardliners do think that Trump will blink and be erratic. And we are here because of five, six months of just mixed messaging. This strategy could have been settled on much sooner and we'll see if the president can stick to it. And you're writing about the uprising that Trump called for in Iran never happened. Why? So, and this is more critical of the president, my apologies, but I talked to six current and former US officials and the president who started calling again for an uprising. It's sort of a microcosm for the entire war. It was completely rushed and there was sort of no thorough planning. These six officials called me this idea of an uprising in the way the US approach that any Israelis should be fair. It was rushed, amateurish, not realistic, flawed from the beginning and a fantasy. And it's been a messaging problem with the president. He initially called for this in the February 28th speech for them to rise up.

14:22And then he starts changing his messaging immediately in March where he's suddenly saying also that there's going to be an incursion by armed Kurds from Iraq. But then President Erdogan of Turkey pushes back against that and he sort of calls that off all of a sudden. He then sort of after calling for a running to rise up, he says, well, we're not sure people should go out on the streets and he correctly is warning about, you know, the problem of course is the running government governing, I'm sorry, gunning people down. And so essentially this failed. It's just a microcosm of the president's messaging being off. And then there's the key question of what did Netanyahu promise here? Did the massage say we're going to be able to quickly stoke a massive uprising? And it would have taken ending an internet blackout in Iran. You need some army units to switch over to the side of them and then this possible Kurdish incursion. So it's just again a tragedy for the Iranian people that was a result of a rush to war in Fort Worth. You didn't have to look far though, David. It'd been what a month, six weeks before that when young Iranians did take to the streets

15:25at the beginning of this year and were by some estimates, gunned down in numbers up to 30 or 40,000. So did they not look at that and say, well, an uprising just because we've decapitated the top of the government is not going to work here. There's a one former CIA official who supports what the president is doing, wants to see this regime fall in Iran. But the moment was then in January. We didn't do that because our carriers and other forces were in Venezuela. We couldn't do it then. We didn't have enough forces. So it's again, this kind of going to war too quickly overestimating what we can achieve, overestimating what our service members can carry out. And instead, fewer things over longer times, a clearer focus will lead to more success. Coming up, Nate Silver is still counting the longtime data whiz is rolling out a new podcast to crunch the numbers on politics polling and President Trump. He joins the table with a preview straight ahead on Morning Joe. Welcome back to Morning Joe.

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18:45Our economy, our national identity, our democracy, our future. The stakes have never been higher. It's all on the line. I'm the line with Olicia Menendez, weekdays at 12pm Eastern, on MS now. A classic Shakespeare plays coming up Broadway this fall, led by an all-star cast, the iconic Romantic comedy, much to do about nothing. We'll bring together Tony Award nominee and Golden Globe Award winner Tom Hiddleston and three time Olivier Award nominee and Golden Globe nominee Haley Atwell as the pair of reluctant lovers. Directed by Tony Award winning director Jamie Lloyd, the production's record breaking run in London was described by reviewers as brilliantly inventive hilarious and the number one best show of the year. Is that all? And Tom Haley and Jamie join us now.

19:46Thank you so much for being with us. Tom starting with you. So this was the production, was it over in London? That's right. Spashing reviews there. What are the sort of challenges, opportunities, fears, hopes, dreams of bringing it over the side of the... No fears. No fears, only dreams. I love this play and I love this production. I loved making it with Haley and Jamie. It's one of my favorite plays always has been. It's one of Shakespeare's warmest, funniest and most deeply romantic comedies. It's genuinely funny. And as we rehearsed it, we found that there were these 400-year-old jokes that still stand the test of time. And our production is... A unique to us, I think, because it's full of energy and full of music. And it's about two people who are witty and charming and the life and soul of the party. But they use that wit as a defence and they have to drop that defence and be open to love

20:48and they find love a little later. And it's been staring them in the face the whole time. So Haley, your Broadway debut. It is. Why do you think, to Tom's point of the moment ago, why do you think this still resonates hundreds of years after it's written? Well, I think when Shakespeare's done as intended, it's for the people. It's not an intellectual academic exercise for people who have studied this play at school. It's embodied in the body-mind inspirate. The soul of these plays taps upon something, I think, very human. And to Tom's point, talking about the very complicated ways that people try to connect with each other and the failings when they try to communicate and all the strange ways that they try and protect themselves from pain and from heart. That feels very human. That feels like it's going to... It stands a test of time. And then I think Shakespeare's sort of meant to be updated in a way of being accessible

21:49to modern day audiences. So you can see from the footage, this is not corsets and hay-noney-noney band dances. This is something quite different. I'm going to be back to it. And also in the play, I should just say, the play... The play as written by Shakespeare opens with a party. The most high-status figure invites the entire company to a party, and that's what we stage. And it's a party at which people dance and celebrate and fall in love and fall over and fall out of love and propose marriage wedding engagements. And then somebody gets upset and has to be brought back from the brink. And then there's a second win, then there's more party. And so what we've done is we've just staged a party with Shakespeare's play inside it and the audience is welcome. So so much of what has really resonated in Broadway. It's been a new fresh event of his genuine Lloyd behind it, whether it's a Vita or a sense of Boulevard and the like. I've struck with the word updated. So talk to us about the vision here you want to present for this production.

22:51Well, it's like they're both saying it's a huge party. It's tethered to the text, so Shakespeare says that. And of course, at a big kind of family event of any kind, people kind of maybe get a little carried away. Maybe they drink a little bit too much, maybe they eat a little too much. And that means emotions run high, which is amazing. So of course there's a lot of joy and there's a lot of celebration. But also the next day, of course, we've all experienced the worst hangover of our lives. And that's when some of the tensions can rise to the surface. So it makes so much sense in terms of the kind of dramaturgy of the piece. So they're kind of the approach to it, as they're saying, is this huge dance party that kind of goes a little wrong and then ends very, very happily. And it's a kind of a chance to lift everyone's spirits and have a really amazing time. And the whole sort of process of like inventing the production is really working with our designer, Sutra Gilmore, who's what, you know, with me for 20-odd years.

23:51It's kind of about creating a playground for the most amazing artists that you could ever dream to work with, to kind of have a lot of fun and explore the text and kind of connect with the audience. A lot of it's about kind of getting out of the way of the connection between the people on the stage and the people in the auditorium. So there's a kind of direct communication. So these guys often talk directly to people in the audience and have that very clear kind of interaction. And sometimes the audience is incredibly vocal, which is amazing. And especially in New York, as we know, New York audiences are not shy in any way. They weren't not shy in London either, though. That's true. So New York, because you've got a challenge. If it was like that in London, I don't know what it's going to be like in New York. It's going to be electric. Well, I think that the New York Times in their description here does, frankly, a pretty good job of selling this. They say that has sights and sounds of a 90s party with, I like this, house music, headdresses, and hedonism with some pink confetti. There's a lot of pink confetti.

24:52A lot of confetti. How many pieces have been counted? There's something like 5,000 pieces of pink confetti. It's, it's, do you know what the total across the run in London was something like the weight of a, of a male giraffe? I don't know why anyone says that it's the male giraffe, why they use that as a kind of metric, I have no idea, but that is, it's a sheet. It's like tons of confetti. I've had to hold it over my house a lot. I was in my dog's house. It was in everything. It was in my kitchen. It was in my wardrobe. It was in your breakfast cereal. Yeah. So as, as I asked for a question for both of you, as actors, the language of Shakespeare, of course. So famous, so iconic. What is, how do you address it? How do you engage with it? How do you grapple with it? How do you dance with it to, to make it work tonight? Honestly, that's the joy of it. For us, it's a joy of it for me. There are lines in this play. I do think it's Shakespeare's almost purest play about love. I think the title is, is a joke. I think, I think, I should put it much to do about everything. I think the center of this play is the redemptive, healing,

25:56opening, deepening power of being in love and accepting love, falling in love, as Beatrice and Brandt do. And the poetry in this play about love is as contemporary as any pop song that you would hear today, or any piece of lyrics you hear. The Broadway production of Much A Do About Nothing begins previews on Saturday, October 31st, at the Winter Garden Theater in New York City. It's a 10 week limited run. You will want to see this. Actors Tom Hiddleston and Hayley Atwell, director, Jamie Lloyd, are thanks to all of you very much. And it'll be, now, you can watch Allie Valshi five nights a week in prime time on MS Now, as he takes command of the 11th hour. The Justice Department is facing its own legal obstacles over this case, putting today's stories in perspective. This one is perhaps one of the more interesting surprises and tomorrow's headlines in focus. Economists are warning that American consumers are soon going to feel the hurt. The 11th hour with Allie Valshi, weeknights at 11 PM Eastern on MS Now.

26:59Right back with more, Morning Joe. Welcome back. As we approach November's midterm elections, a new podcast featuring some familiar faces as helping listeners get up to speed. Still counting, reunites Nate Silver, Claire Malone and Gaelin Drouk, formerly of the 538 fam for a new show now under the umbrella of Crooked Media. The team says they aim to cut through the noise with fact-based reporting to help listeners better understand the political landscape ahead of the midterms and beyond. And Nate Silver joins us now. Thank you. This Republican Stragist and MS Now, put the playlist Susan Dillpercio, our thanks to you both for being here. Nate, you are reentering the fray. I've never opened the fray. I like that I like the fray. You never fully exit the fray, but you're back in a big way. So talk to us about why now seem the right moment to get the band back together,

28:00if you will, and tell us a little more about the podcast. Well, first of all, I'm great friends with Claire and Gaelin. So we're in real life friends. We hope the energy will come through on still counting. But also, yeah, there is more and more information that people find hard to digest. You have polls, you have prediction markets, you have a lot of overconfidence really about political narratives and things like that. And so to have practitioners who have some experience who are nonpartisan, we have opinions. We have very strong opinions. We swear on that show. We don't swear on morning TV. Well, we know them. We do okay. We know the material really well. And we know how to cut through the BS. So you obviously gained an extraordinary amount of fame and in some quarters, notoriety, with your numbers based data driven approach to politics. So you say you have some opinions, you have some take. So let's hear where do you think things stand right now? We are, as you sat down, we're talking about, we're in the stretch run now. And late Labor Day, in an early election day, this is sort of, we're only 50 days in change until election day. Talk to us about where you see the midterms. So both history and current year indicators

29:00would point in the same direction, which is it's probably going to be a blue year. We remember what happened in 2018. In the last midterm, President Trump's approval rating is in the 38% range, disapproval 58, 59%. The history of the President's party in the midterms, particularly in second terms, or lame duck terms, is not very appetizing for Trump. On the other hand, Democrats have to win four seats in the Senate, some of which are in very red territory. When we run these simulations every day, 40,000, it literally comes out to almost 50, 50 in the Senate. The House is certainly lean or maybe even likely Democratic. There is a GOP redistricting edge. If it's close, the GOP will win the toss-up races right now based on the generic ballot, which is how people want to vote for Congress, based on individual races. You definitely take the Democratic side in the House and probably not bet either way on the Senate. It's actually tightened a little bit further in our forecast recently. So, Susan, the President facing that political landscape has made his own bet, and that's to bet on himself,

30:01and make himself the story here for the GOP heading into November. There are some in his own party who privately aren't sure that's a necessarily great idea, but his thinking is, put me in the Senate of the ad campaigns. Hey, I'll be on the road a lot. And we've got this midterm conventions kicking off tonight in Dallas. Yeah, we do. And I think it would be a mistake to think that this convention or the ads or anything else that we see Donald Trump does, has anything to do with helping anybody else. This is just about Trump. This convention is so he can have two days of pageantry for himself, because 2028 won't be about him. He wants to see all the pop and circumstance. He loves seeing himself on broadcast TV. If he was trying to help candidates where he could, is he use a scalpel and do very targeted social media campaigns and other things to get out his voters, because they do know how to reach them directly. But that's not what he's going to do. And I guess Nate, my question to you is with his numbers right now

31:02in the mid to high 30s. Like, is that just all baked in when we start looking at what kind of year, especially for the house we're going to do? The house we're going to have like, can Donald Trump do anything that changes that even more with his numbers? Well, maybe the polls are wrong again. We have to account for that possibility. But no, decisions he made early in this term are very baked in now. Going to war with Iran when he promised no more, more Middle East wars, lower gas prices, the tariffs stuff, right? Indoor sin Ken Paxton in Texas, which makes that a toss up instead of a lean R race. You can't undo any of that stuff. I don't know why he's having this tonight opposite the NFL. I'll be watching the NFL. I promise you. But yeah, he wants to take himself out of the spotlight. Maybe these fringy races, maybe like, you know, Kansas is close in some polls. I don't really buy that that much because I think Trump can get enough they're probably going to vote out there. They haven't voted for Republican Democratic Sanders since 1932, I think. But yeah, Trump should take a back seat.

32:04And he's, you know, as impressive as it's been for him to win two out of three elections when people thought it was impossible. Republicans have not done well in midterms under Trump. They haven't done well in special elections. When he himself is not on the ballot, he lacks that magic. The polls are more accurate in those years too, right? Without this Trump effect, the polls have been pretty true in, you know, in New Jersey and Virginia last year they underweighted Democrats in fact. So Nate, give us one center race in particular you're eyeing at. We're right. We'll wake up the morning after Lucheney be surprised. I mean, Alaska is the one that practitioners are interested in. Mary Peltola actually won. I think one or two terms to the US House. She's quite moderate. You have ranked choice voting, which gets quite complicated, but might help her as more of a consensus moderate choice. Yeah, Democrats win Alaska. They need one more. The one more might be Ohio. It might be Texas, but you can't, you know, we won't know Alaska until five or six in the morning Eastern time of the next day, but that's the most fun race for sure. So Susan, we, the primary season, especially wrapped up with New Hampshire. I know you've been thinking about New Hampshire.

33:04Give us some of your quick takeaways, including the role that the DSA made in play. Well, I think the DSA has made a statement in this whole election cycle and make no mistake about it. They are probably the greatest winners of this election cycle when it comes to where they go with their future lives because they have been able to motivate voters. And they have done an excellent job. They also motivated in New Hampshire. And they didn't have the national party behind them as much. So maybe that's why we didn't see that can donate due as well. But at the end of the day, the DSA can still has refused to endorse the winner of that primary Chris Popus. And I think that is significant because that means she's going to hold Popus accountable through the next 50-some-odd days instead of just letting him run against Johnson, New New, which I think is the race that people are going to wake up and be surprised about in November that all of a sudden New Hampshire flipped red. The two races that Devin has seen the most nervous about in terms of

34:04you're Michigan, New Hampshire, are the two there. But certainly Republicans, there's a number of states suddenly in play that a few months ago they wouldn't have thought so. So much to talk about and it's a good thing we've got a new podcast to help us think about it. The first episode of that new podcast still counting drops this evening with new episodes coming every Wednesday on YouTube.com slash at still counting podcasts or just get it wherever you get your podcasts. Co-host Nate Silvernate congrats. Good to see you. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. MSN output plan. Let's do some delperseo. Thank you as well. And we'll be right back with some more morning Joe. Tomorrow on morning Joe, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be our guest. We'll get her reflections on where the country stands 25 years after the September 11th terrorist attack. She of course was Senator from New York that fateful day. That does it for us this morning. We will indeed see you tomorrow at 6am Eastern for other morning Joe. Money, power, politics with Stephanie Rural is up next here on MSNOW after a short final break.

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