UFO Abductions, Demons & Frequency Tech w/ Jon Pounders

0:00Thank you so much for having me here. One day even Master사� Wells was there. It sounds like hell and the heavens crack Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop Never look this one Never look this one This one This one This one I mean at least in person you can control the other person's look in their audio. Yeah, not not on this one Guys welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Desquad. I am David Lee Corbo aka the Raven that is top lobster the father of disinformation

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2:07And I know that you like on especially on your shows man like did you just have a way of just coming up with just random things It's just I don't know like you're you guys you're as humor as my humor. I'm not good at doing the humor But I'm good at like receiving it and laughing That's a good audience of the human. Yeah, mostly it's brain damage. I'd say Well, you were we were talking and we're gonna get into plugs in a second So don't let me go too far in this tangent But you know you were talking with Shane Cashman and You were in a band and you know, so you come from like this place where You just strike me as a guy who gets it. What did you do for a living before all of this a lot of things dude Like be be honest with you. I've done I've had so many jobs I couldn't even tell you all the jobs I'm really how many jobs give me a guess of it. I'm a horrible employee man I would say probably 30 or 40 days You're the first person to beat me. I'm I'm around 25 really. Yeah, yeah look I might be around there, but I might be exaggerating a little But I do I'm telling you like I've I horrible employee. Yep me too not trying to be not trying to be But just a horrible employee in general the longest job that I ever had I think was working for my father-in-law for like a year

3:11Okay, and he was a tool and die guy So I did tool and die That's great. I worked in a machine shop. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I was longest maybe is like two years I got I got close but I was you know in Machine shop and welding and fabrication and everything so so my point is to say that like as a dude who worked shitty jobs You get it right like if you came from an environment that's very corporate very HR like that kind of a deal Then we're not for you, but if you worked like a normal dude where you know you had to crack some jokes because you smashed your knuckles when you were Renching yeah, I think we're kind of a good fit for that that that sort of a person absolutely man You gotta understand the struggles. I guess to be able to understand the humor behind it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's a step below gallows humor like gallows humor in the sense of like we're going through hell So we have to make the best of it like you know sometimes working a shitty job is something that's like hell light or diet hell Yeah, I find some solace in like in the scriptures when they were reading about the apostles and it's like well none of those guys were

4:14White collar. I guess Matthew might have been oh But the rest of these guys are I don't know their construction workers are fishermen. They're doing like actual things. Yeah Yeah, yeah, real just real dudes man, and that's that's what I found like a love about Christianity and general man That I feel like is there's a new phase here because when I was growing up anyway You go to church and you expect the pastor to be perfect for some reasons like they want to I want to put on this aura of being perfect Even the even the suits and everything and now it's like I don't respect any of that man Like I know that that's bull crap bull shit. I guess you'd say you know like I know it is it's faking the funk You know because you know I realized now the first thing that I said to him as you walked in I go man You got what did it do play I'm say that I said why the fuck is everybody so tall? Yeah, like he's saying it next to Shane I'm just kind of like I know that's how it is yeah everybody in this space and the podcast space except for me and David really yeah Yeah, I think you got to be like six feet tall. We broke the we're in an almond we're breaking the mold But I mean yeah that that whole idea of faking the funk we're called to Christ right and and this is like this idea

5:19Of come as you are and then the rest will happen as God sees fit and we're all sinners and kind of retarded So this idea that like you know you have this calling in Christ and now you're all shiny and new and perfect You got a nice suit and you don't say cuss words and all these other things is like I don't know man It's just I think what it actually does is it detours from the fact that like look even me a broken retard and I'm being called by Christ Even I have salvation even I have redemption through Christ and even I have purpose in Christ It also like as we were we were painting back there the other day and I David was you you bring up that point and then I turned to you and I said What we're doing also has a little bit of a drawback because in response to the person that is very buttoned up I'm gonna be more off the handle who I am, but what if I change right? Oh, yeah, like is there has been points in this journey where like It's a there's a palpable sensation of God going all right Enough of that no should I do this anymore right and like not well if I change now

6:20Am I gonna be perceived as fraudulent? I guess it doesn't matter But there is that I guess you could say I mean if you change your Morals there's a difference between changing maybe your your style of dress I feel like in your morals you know like because You can dress any way you want it doesn't change who you are that you can put a suit on a pig It doesn't change that they're gonna roll in the mud. They're gonna do all that. So like I look at people honestly. I look at people that Everybody you have to wear a different hats boy. Just Paul say become all things do all men right? So if you're in that scene you have to go along with scene and I get it dude. I mean Recently I've got a lot of flack because of my friendships I have like David Rodriguez. He's like kind of mago, you know, and I took a picture with Eric Trump yesterday Which so they got a lot of trouble huh? I mean come on you see every if I see Donald Trump in the streets Yes, I'm taking a picture with Donald Trump. Yeah, that's an insane thing I saw it so you're talking about this picture you posted it on on Facebook that I saw and all of the sudden There's people that are re-sharing it and they're going can you believe this right he must have sold out

7:22I'm like are you you lose there dude. I saw him at a get this a longhorn steakhouse. Let's go in in Not Jupiter in Palm Springs okay, palm yeah palm springs right that's where yeah, we were hoping to see what's his name the Epstein look alike What's the palm palm? Yeah, Palm Beach. Yeah, I was hoping to see that guy But we saw Eric instead which was better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you have any little kids with you? No, I know that's why I know yeah Yeah, I have you want to get that Palm Beach P what it came out. Oh, yeah, dude might have but uh Yes, well, he was he just was walking by and I was like it's Eric Trump what the heck yeah, let's take a picture Yeah, dude he's taller than me. I know he looked huge. He's he's tall. He's a huge dude. Yeah, you know But that's that whole idea of like everybody we were talking with Shane Cashman about this in the Conspiracy community and even it bleeds over into the Christian circles It's like if you're seen as associating with anybody at all. Oh now we have to what are you compromise? Are you controlled opposition? Are you a fed and it's like dog? I took a picture and I get it though

8:22I get it because I've had that same mindset before I see people like how are they doing this like you know They came out of nowhere and then I'm like okay I've for the last year. I've been just saying yes to the opportunities and just going right and so that's how they do it I figured it out there is they they just go and they hang out with people and they become friends with people and She happens outside of the living well right? Yeah, to be honest like with this with what we're doing here is a little bit different A lot of people go oh that you came out of nowhere. I'm like you have guys have no clue how to hustle Yeah, yeah, I've been working in the podcast field for 10 years you can go and see me I wasn't on screen, but I was designing and I was making all the important connections So uh when we uh when we finally did start to show and it had a little bit of momentum I'm able to call in Sam tripling and be like hey, yeah, what's up Sam? The amount of people that say yes to the show I did I did work for you I did designs for you. We have a show that you find it and boom and we're running so yeah There's a lot of hard work put behind it and people don't see that part, but I don't expect them to You'd have to really dig to see it. Yeah, it's much easier to just

9:24You know accuse somebody being a fed One of the times I think too is because they they didn't do it. Yeah, so they're like I couldn't do it. How did he do it? Yeah, but I'm telling you right now you guys want to know the secret it is connections Yeah, oh yeah, you make friends you become all things all men and try to witness within whatever circle that is that you're in Yeah, even if it's a political one even at whatever it is you just don't Fold your own morals in the process. That's it. Yeah, that's it Well, look before we go any further. Let's talk about where people can find your work and support you Pounders quest is on YouTube. That's the channel that I just started about seven months ago. I'm trying to build that I'm I'm not that great at interviewing people, but I have good guests sometimes. Okay. I'm not like you guys I'm learning actually from you guys. I listen to people because I'm I for some reason man like especially Like this is easy easier for me. Yeah, but like when you're looking at a screen on a on a camera and you're talking to somebody over there It's a little bit harder for me anyway. Maybe it's just me, but you got to catch the beats There's a certain way to do that. There's a level of connectivity that's missing. Yeah, you know

10:26I hear you and you can tell when people are not gonna talk or whatever and you know that there's the Bluetooth problem and all that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah What that's one good thing that did come out of Covid was that the bar was substantially lowered for entry as to who could sort of podcast because previously If you look like the Rogan sphere, it was like you got to have a studio. It's got to be in and then you know Covid made it so everybody was doing remote Which meant that everybody could participate and so The audience the listener got acclimated to that and all the shortcomings that come with it. Yeah, John you're 100% right about that like That learning curve and I was lucky enough like so this was a the old podcast. I did with there were five guys not David And we would do it all remote So we're dealing with a slight delay Technical issues audio issues all the time five guys and it's a comedy showing everyone's trying to stab everyone's jumping in So like that show I'm blessed to have done that for a long time because it helped me learn the beats and like Learn the uh, that's learning on the job, but the job is really chaotic. Yeah, yeah, and you get good at it I mean you do it for years and you're like all right

11:28I understand well maybe I'll learn subscribe to me guys and we'll see because the more subscribers we get all of us really the better Guess we can have right in the better things we can do sure I've been seeing you you had an interesting thing to say when when you first came here because I mentioned I had seen you in person With a lot of different people lately like doing a tour. Yeah, yeah It's like a pounders tour so and you said well, I'm saying yes to Everything what what inspired that what's going on man? Like so basically around 2024. I decided to I would say step outside my comfort zone I feel like God was kind of impressing on me that I'm like, you know, I've gone through a phase now But it's time for me to branch out because after 2020 so let me step back a little bit 2020 We got demonetized on YouTube. Okay lost couple channels. What'd you do? I was talking about the vaccine right yeah, you're talking about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Got removed several channels removed on YouTube got all of our financial stuff kind of ripped out from underneath us even the sponsors we had

12:29um It's rough at scary it was hard and so at the time I've got four employees Yeah, that I and that I hadn't ended up having to let go eventually all of them like one at a time It was just like the money was just hammering And then the economy just started like blowing up and I'm like During that time I was like, okay, I got a bundle down I've got things I got to do I need to read more anyway because there's a lot of things I don't know about yet So I got addicted I'm an addict by just by birth I've been addict to anything like when I was younger it was drugs. Yeah, okay or what sex or whatever, you know But now at that time I was addicted to reading so I read every book that I could find a great addiction It is a good addiction. It was good for a time period and then um, I felt this I was like man this strong desire. I got to stop and so the midnight ride was what really kept me reading a lot And that was our biggest show. I mean we would you know thousands of live listeners every time we'd go you know And always a good numbers on that show That's the biggest thing that we'd done and And I just was like I want I'm done with this. I can't do it anymore like I got another addiction now

13:31And it's like going and meeting people and figuring out what the heck's going on like a quest You know, I feel like everybody has a quest. It's either you decide to take it or you don't right Yeah, that's huge. That's huge. I mean, you know, uh, that's like the hero's journey. Yeah, right? I mean it's it's uh Kind of Characterized in in the whole Lord of the Rings thing right where Uh Bilbo is talking about like the journey outside of the door like you take a step through that door And you don't know what awaits for you and it ends up for him being this entire dragon and overcoming it and then returning home But yeah, it doesn't happen if you're sitting in the same spot all the time that has its place Right, you know, we talk about that we do a lot of that here. We're doing all this from this studio. We're building this out Um, but you still have to say yes when there's an opportunity to like go out into the world and see what's out there That's where everything happens. Can I ask a question? Yeah, um, so you had your employees and then the the monetary stuff kind of collapsed on you You thinned out How do you feel about employees now like what are you doing with your because yeah for us? It's like we are

14:34I mean, we got Gavin out there producing for the other show and that's like a He's like an employee, but I'm just hesitant to be like hey rely on me to pay your stuff Yeah, that's right from now on like I can't really rely on YouTube obviously which I thankfully Right around the time that YouTube pretty much cut us down like I mean our revenue just cut us down Um, I started a website. Okay, so we would put our content on the website and we had supporters that were like You know what we're gonna subscribe to your website and they did you know and so now we still have that website But the money goes to like a widow's fun So we have a bunch of widows that are part of our fellowship That's all over the place, but they have to qualify like underneath a certain banner in the bible like over a certain age They have to be not have any like family that they're living with that's very cool though That's super biblical. Yeah, I love that. That's awesome So then we do that with that so now I started Pounders Quest I have other businesses too that I do and just like you know investments and stuff that I've been doing over the years Thankfully, man, you know like I listen to Steve Quill a lot back in the day. Oh, yeah

15:35And if it wasn't for Steve Quill, I'm telling you like he scared the piss out of me every day. I listen to him and I was buying constantly buying silver constantly buying this and that happy You did though now. Yeah, I'm really happy now But at the time it was like all fear and everything but I I think Steve Quill last time interviewed him like dude Like if it wasn't for you scaring the shit out of me that's he wouldn't have made a lot of the investments How was he doing? I we've never talked to I would love to talk to Steve Quill. Yeah, you should talk to him He's I would say he's doing Good, I think he feel like overall he feels like betrayed by a lot of people Yeah, he should be doing better. Yeah, especially given the conversation right now And how this sort of thing is become in some ways popular. Yeah, you know, I don't know thanks to him I mean a lot of it, you know, the foundation. Yeah, I mean he set up a lot of guys. I mean he set up like alboreno Which is name I don't know several people he set up a lot of people, you know over the years and so he he definitely has some respect on his name for my in

16:35Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That's somebody that we got to reach out to and try to get in touch with having have him come on the show I love his number. Hopefully you'll answer he answers about half the time for me Sometimes he's grumpy and sometimes he's not Hey, that I would appreciate that. That'd be great. So um Yeah, I mean you you fleshed everything out and I guess I I would say a lot of this process has been sort of automated like I'm not gonna lie a lot of a lot of what you would previously have to have paid somebody for Like AI is doing that and like, you know, that's been a huge oh dude. Yeah, I mean because I can literally do what all my employees did Within 10 minutes. Yeah versus like them taking all day and be paying for eight hours or whatever You know, so yeah, I mean it's amazing what and it's that's the positive size of a I of course Of course, it's all kinds of negative ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah really negative ones. So what is um Pounder's quest focused on like is there a real difference in in aim and focus versus like now you see TV Absolutely, so now you see TV was more about studying the Bible

17:36Line it up with because we my in my mind the people that I was reaching which I we did we read reached a lot of people that were new Agers there no sticks because we had the information they had because we read all the books like my David his name is David Carico um Even though like now we're not working together, you know for a lot of different reasons Brilliant. Yeah, he's read so many books and he has a photographic memory that helps that helps And he can do a lot of things You know, and so for me to keep up with him was really tough. It was a tough process But that was the main goal of naïc tv and it still is we do a Bible study every Saturday And that's okay or that's pretty much it well not every Saturday if I'm out of town not every Saturday So we're just kind of going eventually maybe you have another show down there that's like dynamic that People can get on board with because it's really hard to come after the midnight writer really like I If I go after the midnight right on naïc tv like I'm gonna have to come with something like yeah The other one is like she's fell off man Yeah, that's what we did we came in and we sent the expectations real low

18:38Yeah, we come in and we're just like we're retarded. We're gonna talk shit I mean we do a show called Nepto America, which is we're actually gonna do some of this afterwards with you in Shane And it's like we're just gonna pull out the big topics that are going off right now And really we're kind of kind of take the piss out of and make fun of them Instead of worrying about you know All of the ins and outs of the intricate information and you know stuff like that Oh, but I do not your fear anyway. Yeah, that's really it interesting coming up next or in the next couple weeks I'm going away for a week. Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess you'll be operating. Yeah, yeah I mean, you know, it's gonna be it's it's a same sort of deal. I'm interested to see what happens Yeah, I'll tell you what you know how I always I'll start braiding it in synch the ship 20 again We I like doing the same thing where it's like I'm speaking to new ages I'm speaking to a cultist I'm speaking to nostics because that's a lot of where I Previously was it was never anything that I I grabbed onto and said this is definitively the truth But there is a ton of compelling truth in this

19:39It's just that fundamentally the nature of things becomes misunderstood or misattributed One of them most commonly and I think it really is at the heart of like the Nostoc Gospel in general is this idea that The God of the Old Testament is the Demi-Eurg and you know, it sounds like this really profound Observation and And it kind of almost makes sense right because if you're not a Christian You can look at the Bible and you can go well It's really just a control mechanism for the masses and this is information that they've allowed to be disseminated So that they can have you dependent on this or waiting for receive you any of the things you want to say And this is really a prison planet and man does that sound profound and then also you look at the Old Testament and you're like so that so the Demi-Eurg is constantly prophesying about the coming of Christ like none of this makes sense this idea of the Demi-Eurg Just idea of the prison planet once you start really looking at the Old Testament but if you have this outside view and you go well the God of the Old Testament was super mean It's like a mean guy and he did some pretty harsh things very easy to fall into that

20:42Is that something that you guys dealt with on that show all the time? And I mean in fact that's something that I think we all still do within a heavy way people are teaching that more now than they were So yeah, I mean it's actually it's weird because at the one time it was it was a common thought But I don't feel like it's been as popularized back then as it was now was getting there I knew that it was the fastest growing religion in the United States. I knew it I could feel it and because everybody I know it was kind of turning to it and so that's why I was really I was like I got to learn about this like if otherwise how I may really going to Speak to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So I mean I did I studied as much as I can and I can speak to it I've read probably more uh, free Masonic books than than most people that are in the lodge. Yeah, and that's where they go They'll go you know Lucifer was basically the liberator right? He's the one that was in opposition to this prison planet creating demi-erge and there's the one that brought light to man and And there's part of that that is weird because this is where it goes you go back in history

21:45So it was the volat and volgate is what decided to translate that as a volat and volgate Latin volgate. Okay, so Jerome I believe was the guy's name who translated and he decided on the word Lucifer Which means light bearer right where his name in Hebrew is hello bin shahar which means Lucifer or which not Lucifer light Hello means howling one howling it means like a like a werewolf Howling and like Somebody who rails or whatever Son of shahar which shahar was an ancient can an identity and so he's like a nephilim basically It is what though in my when I read it I see a nephilim there because it's describing a almost a human because they're gonna die like a man Right, but you're the son of some deity some entity. Yeah, so Here's what I would I get out of it. So there was a group of secret societies who worshiped Lucifer But it wasn't the Lucifer that we know to be Lucifer because that a lot of the Catholic Church

22:48This is the story from Supposed inside Freemasons that have been in this thing generations They demonized the name Lucifer So that the Catholic Church had a reason to go after their people. Oh The Catholic Church the attack dog there's a dual history of the Templars and it goes back and man I can tell you why I know this but it's just one of those things that Did Templars there were real Templars that were real like actual Christians and the Catholic Church killed almost all of them They're not all of them were Christians. There were obviously you know in any order you're gonna have Whatever and they had to keep secret otherwise they were dies not because they were keeping secrets that were of the divine nature It's because they don't want to be persecuted. They would get killed everywhere they went the rules make sense when you look at the rules You're not allowed to go outside in the city by yourself if you're a traveler Without somebody with you because if you did that then the people in the town knew everybody if you're they're considered outside

23:48Or they might kill you they might take you're also not allowed to Deprive you're a brother of land or Or you know make it to where they lose their land or lose their money because That would be exposing them and exposing your order and they had certain people that would watch the doors and it all made sense in that context Yeah, now it's just like a kind of recreation of all that ceremonialized And so I'm not in a secret side nor do I condone it because I think that if you link yourself with a bunch of people Even if you have the right intentions or even if the secret society is quote-unquote Christian because there are Christian secret societies now it's but it can get infiltrated and get twisted up That's like the Bavarian Illuminati supposedly. I'm not super well-versed in Indiana bro Like that's where almost all of them went to really in Indiana Indiana That's interesting especially in my area German Illuminati so that the Bavarian the time that they were booted right you'll see that the migration in Indiana is all German towns pretty much like German everything There's even like old German orders that still speak German like older people yeah, that's why I'm most dead by now

24:51But I used to take them I used to drive a cab was one of my jobs that I drove during cabs So I would take them to this thing they called like Swipes or Fest or something like that and you would go and they would speak you could only speak German But they never got out there like in the west side of Evansville Indiana was weird and that's all here A bunch of towns that are named after German towns I went to Germany not that long ago Heidelberg and a lot of all the towns I drove through Were named the same names of the towns in Indiana. Yeah, and dude Indiana is a weird place. It is just straight There's a very stuff there people don't know about there's a ton of straight Well, I was gonna say just on the idea of the Bavarian Illuminati It originally allegedly I have no way of verifying this starts as um Basically people that were mathematicians and scientists and and things like that and they were being persecuted by the church for their willingness to explore these topics I'm part of it too was that but part of it was because you could have your own personal guide You don't need the church just the same reason they killed the people who translated the bible Even if it's not a Christian thing right that's dangerous

25:54Well, that's so we talked about the bible being a control mechanism It's like of course people would want to if this is truly if this is the truth then to create yourself as a gatekeeper to it would be to To monopolize the power of the truth and so another reason I wouldn't want to do it because you monopolize that and you're you're you're literally Making a bond like a death bond. Yeah, with people that might be freaking pito Oh, oh kind of shit. Yeah. Oh kind of what do you think that does spiritually when you have a covenant With a bunch of people who are doing heinous shit, you know, I'm saying like that's not good to your spirit It's very common that people in high positions of power You like to think of it or I like to think of it as like you've earned this position because of the sweat of your brow and and labor and and all these different things There are people and I'm learning this now because um, I guess maybe I was a little bit naive to it You like to think like everybody's good some people just make that it's like no There are people that will Completely lie and fabricate as much as they possibly can That even when they're caught it doesn't mean it's the end of them

26:55They'll still lie and fabricate and twist and claw their way to positions of power So yeah, the idea that you're in some influential group and you're not side by side with Individuals who have just not been caught overtly for the body of lies that they laid out just to get there like that They're like being unequally yoked right? Oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's a that's a problem definition of it other than marriage You know like you you're linked with a covenant with these people would you do anything like when part of the The first covenant is like you know, basically a brother above all other you know like it that's You protect them over over anybody else. Yeah. Yeah, and It's a powerful thing even though it's not a real like they're not really gonna do to you what they say They're gonna do to you. Maybe they used to like captain a guy named captain Um Cook I believe was is now captain Morgan Okay, he was the one one of the first people there's a book He wrote a book one of the first people to leave Masonry and he ended up dead He was a captain and he left it and then also in Indiana

27:56There's the anti-Masonic party everywhere that they're not any more Well, our president that we had for only 32 days that died in Harrison Was he first ran under the anti-Masonic party and then he lost and then so then the wig party was like Hey like you're probably not gonna lose wind underneath the anti-Masonic party So wonder runner the wig party. He won and the wig party died 32 days later I've been to the mansion there's family still runs it. They'd probably did die 33 days That's what they said I was like so they believe he was murdered as well if you ever go visit the mansion there in Indiana They'll tell you and it's really cool spot, but this is there's a lot of that here a lot of Here too like where you guys are at florida is like an interesting. Oh, yeah interesting dynamic because you have like the The way conservative Jewish yes way liberal Jewish things and you have they'll say it's like a It's it's like the Garden of Eden for the Jewish community and all kinds of things like then It's nothing bad will ever happen in Florida because they all hope to retire here. You know what I mean?

29:00So maybe it's a good place to be but I like florida. I love florida actually. I love it here. I love it here So you're from the reason stated before No, not because like the weather and like this a lot of people here are awesome though. They really are yeah There's a there's an essence to Florida that is like wild So the people that you'll encounter here everyone's kind of yeah You know they all in your ground, bro. That's scary. Yeah, yeah, but but you know what man? Um it's a good thing Oh, maybe I you don't see it at all really like As far as everybody having a gun you never notice it You know what I mean? So people because I remember coming from New Jersey and they were like Everybody's got guns out there dude And then eventually when we came here became open carry was legal I've seen one dude open carry and uh and it's a non thought You know as far as who's got a gun or who's carrying it or more days in New York where I'm like I wish I could conceal carrying That's Florida Yeah, I wish I could And Florida it's more like Should I bring today? Yeah, yeah for me it's phone wallet keys gun and and that's how I treat it

30:02So the same way that I grab my phone and and the emphasis and the thought I put into this thing is very similar to the thought that I put it probably even less I would say because I'm looking at my phone all day But when it comes to you're from Indiana So not originally I was originally grew up in South Texas by the border like now down near mission MacAllen Rio Grande Valley area so like a 10 minute walk to the border or something So it was way like if you look at Texas it's got the little tip there. Yeah, I'll put it around I was right there on the tip of the circumciser So yeah, that's like 14 so okay 14. Yeah, so You know you're out of there way before the nightmarish porous southern border Not really not really yeah, it was happening there would be a duchess a lot and um so I There's hardly any white people live there. Okay, so No black people one percent white really really Mexican his band. Yeah, South American people in general Like honestly like some of the best people I've ever met my life great food family people great food

31:06What's your ethnicity mine of mixture they call they call A mullungian have you heard of mullungian? I heard like mulatto It was similar mullungian. This were the word mulatto came from mullungian is basically a group of people that They don't know how to define that came over to like the Appalachia can tuck you all that that were kind of a mixture of all of the above interesting and so now But but my dad was pure English so like I've got a lot of that you know my mom you can look at her and you can be like Okay, my grandpa was like pitch dark with blue eyes. Okay, so you then somebody in the chat actually said a Jewish bio weapon That's what I call myself. I'm a Jewish bio weapon I made up of like 13 different things and the range is pretty expensive in a way for the weekends the same like if you go to my family meetings for like My family I'm Brooklyn yet like you know for holidays, but like I got a black cousin like this I got a white cousin white with blue eyes and then I'm like in the middle It's it's just all the colors. Yeah, my kids are like that. I've got two or three little blonde-headed girls blue eyes

32:12All of them have hazel eyes and then my boys. I got a tall. He's almost my height He's got hair that's out to hear big curly hair brown hair, you know like so it's like a wide variety through all of them Yeah, I kind of love it man. I like the variety. I don't like it because I can't I could never get caught up in identity politics Because I'm so many different things. It's like what am I going to claim? And I got to claim all of them so all of them suck in their own way 100% 100% and I can tell you explicitly how they all Actually have been well studied in that, but yeah, I mean it's it's saved me from doing that And of course there's other pitfalls who want to get a political Identity politics or cultural identity politics But I never got into the racial ones because you know, what could I possibly claim? But this idea of Indiana is is fascinating comes up on the show often. It is a weird place I was I showed my son an old show from the 90s called a eerie Indiana. I believe it's called It's kind of like goose bumps. I heard you guys and JT talking about that on the way here I listened to your episode with JT I'll tell you what man if you ever get a chance just to go back and look at that It's they start off with stuff that ends up being like the basis for MK ultra, you know

33:17I think I talked about it on that show where the guy gets his braces and he's picking up the frequency that ends up Enabling him to hear the thoughts of his dog, you know, yeah, so the whole season interesting. Oh It's a huge part of my quest is like finding people that are experts in that yeah Found some and dude the stuff they have is just crazy I mean it starts like some of the treatments that you were talking. I'll talk I'll tell you about one of the treatments There's a guy. I'm not gonna say his name because Dangerous maybe for him okay although billionaires go to where he's at he's in the middle of the Redwood forest in California. Oh wow He has a system and I I'm gonna say it because I don't he didn't tell me that you can't tell the system or anything like that So they're just behind this guy he collected frequencies everything has a frequency this has a frequency You know this has a frequency. I have a frequency you have a frequency for the government. He collected 10,000 frequencies Okay, and they only wanted some of them and so he was allowed to keep the rest of those frequencies

34:19And he developed a way to be able to shoot frequencies into the body you guys have heard the right machine and all The sponsor of the show early early sponsor of the show. Yeah, so this this is one of the guys all right So probably a fed probably probably probably at least at one time But his treatment started out at anywhere from like 50,000 up to a million dollars. So like it's But this is why I'm gonna tell you why is that much because A guy that was a very high level guy went in their stroke completely whole right side Limp like couldn't walk hardly had to be carted in by wheelchair Went into the treatment and walked out All right walked out and I'm gonna tell you how he did it But basically he understood that in the blood there was these little black things that float around the blood and people never really knew what they were They kind of just discarded them when they redo your blood. They discard them. But what they are According to him is baby Was this stuff they shoot into you and they're in themselves or baby stem cells general baby stem cells

35:21And he developed a frequency that cracked the shells of these black things And so he would crack the shells of these black things and insert the frequency into the problem area and those stem cells became baby stem cells for the area that he shot them into so his his frequency then is It's designed to Activate those cells but to become a specific thing like if it's like a shoulder injury automatically happens Oh, they would know what to do they would know what to do when sir And he also this is even crazier man. So like some of this stuff is proprietary patents pending Maybe not even know where to get out just because who knows what's gonna happen I mean with all this if they get if this stuff gets out like it's gonna cripple a lot of industries. Yeah, yeah You have pharmaceutical insurance for sure. He's even so which we're right now in a stranglehold by those industries ever especially since 2020 You know we have some stuff to talk about later on that show regarding that but please continue So patches they have patches that you can put on and let's say you wanted to be high from marijuana and you wanted to THC So there's a frequency for THC

36:23They can put the patch on you and shoot the frequency in your high Instantly like you like you just smoked weed and then as soon as you take it off you're done So no drug test problem. You know like hang have problem like I don't want to be higher right now Yeah, yeah, like we're drunk or whatever they have those and you're just knocked on the door Yeah, let me take this patch off. Yeah, yeah, so they have that right then then they're developing ways on how they monetize that so they maybe prescript like you get a certain subscription Subscription not prescription you pay and then you get a certain amount of uses per month fasting. Yeah That's family so so obviously yeah, they've been experiencing or experimenting rather with these frequency-based technologies for a long time And I think a lot of them kind of came out of like you know 1947 end-of-world war two, you know, Nazi regime I think they were doing a lot and then a lot of that goes on to inform MK Ultra But it would make a lot of sense to me that The applications of it are so vast that the medical industry would be among the first to really get the wide roll out and also the the most booming, you know when it comes to the success around it

37:24But you have all this apparatus that stands in the way like the current rendition of the medical industry, but this idea of frequency everything having a frequency is maybe look this up So you know how in the Bible it talks about not Wearing not mixing fabrics, which I always thought was an interesting but anomalous kind of a deal And I'm sure within the context if you read the scripture I'm not familiar with it But I wouldn't be surprised if you can kind of go now. This isn't why if you just read the context makes sense Why in the context of scripture so but I know I'm probably sure you figure that out Well, I don't know if this is true, but um in 2003 There's a doctor Heidi Yellen who starts to research the frequencies of different fabrics. So linen and wool I have a frequency of 5,000 that's that's what you know Frequency of fabric studies says 5,000 do with that what you will it's a you know almost useless number to me because I'm an idiot Organic cotton has 100 and then it goes down from there conventional cotton 70 silk 15 rayon

38:2515 and then polyester, which is what everything is made out of is a polyester blend now It's 15 or lower which is it dead well a dead body Has like 15 or lower right so a human being at any given time has a detectable frequency of 100 I don't know if this is hurts or whatever they're they're recording this in um But it would make sense, you know if if this summit when the new age Practitioners use language that I go like yeah, they're on to something We make fun of like crystals and frequency. We say it's gay good vibes bad vibes, but it's it's surreal Like it's a real thing vibrations, you know, right? So if you want to raise your frequency And it's like everybody in the bible was wearing linen and wool, you know I mean like that's what everything was back in the day or cotton Oh, I love I will love linen. I wish I was wearing it right now to be honest. Yeah Florida Florida's the spot for I have one suit. It's a linen suit And like if I'm gonna wear a suit anywhere in Florida. It's gotta be made a little But I think that there is There's something to frequency to such a degree when you were saying that he mapped out these frequencies

39:27And he gave some of them to the government that they were interested and he was allowed to keep the other ones I often think that because of the early research and like parapsychology like back in the I don't know 60 70s 80s There was like real scientists that were studying psychic phenomenon Mesmer for instance They were not left out of the scientific community at the time now with pseudoscience And you'll get left out of the room Well, I think it still happens in these intelligence agencies and such just not you know for the mainstream consumption But um, they weren't ridiculed. Yeah, these were like like real like uh What would you call them cowboys? You know what I mean like back when scientists in America was like it was a big deal Because we were trying to compete with the Russians and with China and everything And like at that time Scientists were seeing as like real like kind of badass dudes. Yeah, they were studying psychic phenomenon And I think that our research shows it's not really our research It's us picking up the pieces that other people that came before us and let them hide what it means you research something out Yeah, that's an interesting. Yeah, that's a good observation. Yeah, you're researching it. So um

40:32Everything that we look at is like these Things that exist in a spiritual realm if you were to try to quantify them in a tangible way That would show up as frequency So whether the it's the way they communicate with us or influence us and and get in our minds and whisper things and like they would be Proceedable as frequency. So it makes sense to me and even physical matter is perceived as frequency because when Jesus spoken to the the clay that he formed It became life right because of his frequency that he was able to put out created the universe with the word Yeah, right and then he is the word the word made flesh like so so it's yeah Frequency is at the heart of all of this it's just hard because you don't want to go like to woo To new age so there's this place where you kind of have to but that's unfair because it's extremely accurate like before Uh before I was doing this show or anything conspiracy wise. I was like I'm a musician So I got down this rabbit hole where I was obsessed with frequency and how it correlates to sound and then how that correlates to Color you had Laura singer on yet dr. Laura she's great. Yeah, we didn't cover that with her

41:34We did oh We're into the federal reserve is what we did with her. Yeah, which is a shame and then she's she's busy So we haven't been able to have her back on but I know she did Extensive work with that and the reason I I covered that is because I have like a thing I have synesthesia like a part partial synesthesia where what is that synesthesia is what uh for well Williams has it uh Jimmy Hendrix had it A bunch of other musicians and you can tell in Jimmy's music like he has a song called uh Gold is love and the lyrics all go through where he's talking about the color The sensation how it makes him feel and then in accordance with the chords that he's playing So sensation synesthesia has to do with sensations as you well as he's hearing Tasting smelling he's seeing color Acid really helps you do that. But when I when I play I get an overall notion of a general key that I'm playing like a key of g would be green so that that Although you know that like the frequent colors are a frequency that is the higher octave the high it goes way high

42:38And that's what color colors manifested of a high high frequency So I started going down that that rabbit hole of like all right if I if I plot this out on the on the graph of Like like infrared to ultraviolet where this goes over and then I lay over the the musical notes And how many times like so if a is vibrating 40 times where does that line up? Yeah, and it got very dicey for me like I I be hesitant to continue the study and like put definite Definitions on it because if I'm perceiving the notes g a b c d e f sharp as a green That's a conglomeration of notes that I'm not that I now think are green But you might perceive it different. Yeah, so if I start to I don't perceive it like that at all. That's interesting Yeah, I don't I don't have that I think everybody does I think you just need to figure out a way to connect these things because they they exist on the same spectrum In a way yeah, yeah, just different octaves. Yeah, cuz we're hearing and we're seeing But we're not relating the two senses But if I I'm just I'm hesitant to define it and say okay little kids like I was thinking about doing it with my kids like

43:43training from young. Oh, that'd be interesting But I create a bias in them if my predefined bias is if is this the color that you're seeing Yeah, I wonder if that works, but there's something to it. It's along the same lines I just don't know if I can accurately Plot one to the other well when people say that they can detect auras in individuals like your auras this color I wonder if they are experiencing some form of synesthesia where they're perceiving the frequency of an individual as an actual color Which makes sense because all frequency is or all light is frequency Color is light. It's all it's all one big connective strand I mean it seems seems like it's possible Especially if their eyes are picking up, you know, mother maybe a different spectrum Maybe they have a vision issue. I have a friend who has is he's a youtuber goes on an individual disturbance He's a he's a small youtuber good guy, but he had he got hit and brain damage So he he he was a milk truck driver and he was delivering milk and the milk came and crashed down on his head Wow, and he and so now he sees differently, but he has

44:47These glasses that he has to wear in order to keep from like completely losing it and like sensory overload To see things man He can see different things because of these glasses and it's not good He doesn't like it all the time, but he's like he can like there's other things outside of the spectrum that he's able to To see that he never saw before his brain ever now it could be just nothing He'll tell you about it. It could be nothing that he's seeing, but it did to him. It's something You know what type of glasses are they they look like 3d glasses that you get it like a movie. Oh, that's interesting What color are they blue? Yeah, so have you ever heard of Dysonian glass Is that the stuff they made scrying mirrors and stuff out of that's um Obsidian very close obsidian. That's like that would be a dark black Dysonian glass. It's so cyan would be the color that we're looking at which is blue But yeah, what they call the people who can wield the force sions is that people in in the nothing not in the movie, but in real life sions are like the The guys, you know, that's yeah, yeah, so uh the Dysonian glass was used in Vietnam

45:50Originally and they were using it as uh, he was night vision early right here in for right Yeah, I think it was night vision because you know the troops on the ground and they have to see all the traps and the people Trinship and it's such a crazy story. They're in the jungles of Vietnam in hell basically Yeah, and they're putting on their night vision goggles that have Dysonian glass They're seeing ghosts demon demons Apparitions When you got to think about a war zone, right? Like that's there. They're feeding off that trauma and that that despair and all of those emotions Dude, I did not know that I was a looked at up. That's super interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah But that pertains to the frequency idea and they obviously suspend them now our Our goggles are this color like they're the green. Yeah, you don't get that blue shade anymore. They see Yeah, the blue she was like keeping really distracting. It's all of vibrations too. I don't know We're gonna let you have but LED technology is Like tech that's why we're these all the time because that right there will my doctor says it makes you fat and gay like literally Well, okay, so so that kind of makes sense though because um mix a lot

46:52Yeah, I'm very well I'm waiting a lot of wait. It was a wait, um, but you know, there's studies like this. I don't when I'm in there There is a there is a thing like when somebody doesn't do this and it's not used to this at all has never done it I enjoy watching them because they they're like there's a flash Right, yeah, there's like one in slow mo and filming on your iPhone and you'll see it flicker. Yeah flicker rate So the reason it causes anxiety. Yeah, the doctor that I have would tell me that this out So I interviewed the guy to after after the fact doctor jack cruise if you heard of him. Okay, okay I interviewed him and he was talking about how he found 24 boxes of mk ultra files. He's a brain surgeon and the reason I even heard of him is because during COVID He was the only one on Twitter that was not removed the only doctor and the reason is because he was jack dorsi's doctor So jack dorsi's like you can't remove this guy I don't know if you see so yeah, and he was on our case team for a while now. He's in El Salvador helping with their government Okay, cool solutions or whatnot. El Salvador where that guy book a Lee's that just got where they have that giant prison that they

47:53Yes, yeah, okay, the treating the the prison because they're all gang members They're like some like thousand of them. Yeah, they like shaved all their heads and they got them like sitting like on their knees Because yeah, let's put a pin in that because I want to I want to talk about that but continue Sorry, right that down. Yeah, so he was saying that In the files that you found because it had to bring a brain surgery What he wanted to find out he was also looking at like what is affecting a certain chromosome because everybody's had this chromosome where people are getting overweight people are all these problems that people are having and He found out which one it was and and it coincides with why people take GOP ones GOP ones is because that's the one It inhibits this is a problem and it causes hormone problems and all of these things right and he found that through them because they found that out during MK Ultra they yeah This research. Yeah, and he said that in Russia they went the opposite way with the research They took the research but they used it to try to DD Mind control their people. Okay, whereas in here in America the Rockefellers took it of course and did the opposite we made a

48:56Sempic we talk about it with the collar remember you guys are probably too young. How are you guys? 30 things so you do remember this when they came I at least they did at my house They came and they said hey, we're place all your lights. You're in person. We were talking about that yesterday Yeah, yeah, all the nice soft glowing yellow balls. Oh, they didn't come in New York They were just like you need to do this like yeah, they started to LEDs and you know, they used to be these soft glowing kind of orange street lamps and yeah They've done that and they did studies for Walmart that showed that there's a correlation between the flicker rate of the LEDs in Walmart drives up anxiety and And impulse control goes way down. Yeah, which is kind of interesting that you jump out so impulse control going way down that's good for their sales But if your impulse control is way down you're eating slop and the slop is filled with all kinds of crap yet So you're you're being gay and rational yeah, yeah, but it's making you gay and fat. Yeah, that is interesting That's interesting. Oh man. It's not good man. And everybody is that's that's like the primary weapon to start out with

49:59Yes, the stuff you watch is a weapon too. Yeah, yeah, but that first initial well think about the obesity epidemic in America I wonder if there's a Graph you could look at is the implementation of that sort of a light across all the different industries that you are in whether it's school Or your shopping centers or anything like that and then the increase of the obesity epidemic I try to I try to tell my wife too like I'm like you don't understand like we're on a podcast I'm sitting down. I'm saying my important shit. Yeah Don't get it, but afterward. I'm like I'm tired like today. We're gonna do three Yeah, and we never do three back to back anymore because like we're It is hard though. It's hard because you have to like literally be present for that whole time That's why we're gonna take a break but like pubs of this stuff The lights the the computers all the I mean I'm doing to myself I it has an effect. I feel like it doesn't as much anymore But yeah, because we're getting acclimated. We're acclimated to the blue Just interesting too because you said the GLP ones right so so I guess I'll I'll break it to the audience because I put it on Twitter the other day

51:07But part of why I've lost so much weight I've lost 22 pounds because the extreme ridicule that you've given that well that the body shaming helps a lot But I I've been in the gym five to six days a week and and my diet is is dialed in in a big way But I've been on this substance reddit true tide For the let me just say to bolster your point to john He's been on a diet and been going to the gym for months now probably a year and I plateaued so hard Yeah, you couldn't get past it. It was weird watching. I'm watching him work and I'm like nothing's happening It's kind of like tragic because like I know you're trying to lose weight There's there's stuck there's an inhibitor and it's probably it was probably a well if the let's say the lights are making me fat and gay I put more lights What you were talking about? Yeah, it's okay. Yes, that's basically what you want are they are a peptide yes What I've noticed is it's it's taken down the The part of my brain specifically that has to do with impulse control. So It's not just food I don't have a desire really like play video games if I try to watch something like that

52:11Just like random slap out like Netflix like I don't fucking care. I can't watch Netflix or anything like that I'm on a really low dosage so I still like I can appreciate a movie like if I go watch spider-man Okay, fine. It's fun. I went out with my cousin the other day I have no desire for alcohol But if I go out and I go like we're gonna have some drinks I went out with my cousin the other day we hung out till you know midnight, which is super uncharacteristic of me as well I'm out you know till midnight on on Main Street at a bar drink with my cousin is fiance having a good time So I could still do these things, but I've got no desire whereas like if I was home Well, so that's interesting because if there is External stimuli that's causing an anxiety rate to go up and a lot of the impulse is self-sue thing stuff. Yeah, so For example binge eating. Oh, yeah people will do that when they are anxious or depressed So if this is driving up anxiety that it makes sense that it's simultaneously driving up impulse control or the lack of impulse control so then you are binge eating and you are engaging in Mindless slop to take your mind off the anxiety, right? And the idea that this is

53:16Correcting that to any degree is really fascinating because you happen to mention that in the same breath the GLP ones and I go man that is there is An array of shit at any given time that is aimed at us and it's causing you know, so we're like why is everybody fat? Why is everybody gay? Why is everybody anxiety rates depression rates? You know mental we have a mental health crisis No one paying attention. Yeah, you know It's is wild to me, but when I was in school like I remember there was like one fact kid maybe maybe two dude You know now it's almost all of them and like maybe a few fit kids it's sad it's sad because There's this idea that was trying to be popularized that like you can be fat and healthy at the same time Yeah, you don't understand what it does to the psychology especially of a kid. Yeah, you know Kids should be out running and jumping and climbing and and feeling like infigorated and and I mean especially as you're developing as a teenager The strength that your own body is capable of like these are fantastic times and these kids are never getting to experience that They're they're hindered and they're weighed down by their own, you know body fat and it's crazy because like as much so

54:23Their solution to that would be like we're victims and we're like you're not a victim be you know Be a bigger person, but in a sense it's like We kind of are a victim of this targeted attack But the important thing to notice about that is like okay There's a targeted attack where can you take that and reverse that off rather than being a victim You have to find what it is and we haven't even begun to look. Yeah, that's part of that's part of like You know that's the only way because we we are born into this the Bible calls it a matrix, right? But it's the same word for the womb like in the in the old English matrix and the womb are the same So like once we enter here it's been taken captive I mean, it's there's something that has taken captive it cursed us a long time ago Yeah, and once we realize that it is important to kind of understand that so we can be like okay I don't want to you know, let them do this thing, but I know that product of it. Yes Yeah, yeah, and if you know that it's all pitted against you then you can navigate it. Yeah Yeah, I mean we talk about pretty often this idea of like free range MK ultra chicken So he's even this idea of the flicker rate and the anxiety and how

55:24Russia use this idea to liberate their people from my control where as an America It becomes a free range thing There's so many aspects of those intelligence operations and specifically the manipulation of the psyche of human beings right everything that they learn through disassociative states and and you know psychedelic usage and trauma you know based mind control all this they took it and it seems like somebody said Well, how do we implement this at scale? Right? So we're all being traumatized by like a new cycle That's like two days long before the next trauma thing Like MK ultra 4.0 now many five point who knows way out there. Yeah, well, so so I mean what do you think about this idea and not so much to Hang on the idea of how much is pitted against us? But the idea that any of us are actually overcoming this that guys like us are in a studio right now having conversations Where by so many measures you would say man that that trillion upon trillion dollar industry

56:26Those those generations of research that you're aiming at us. It's actually still I consider myself retarded and I go You can't fucking get me that's pretty crazy, dude It's dude it goes back to those contracts those ideas of what they're allowed to do You if you they can only operate what they can operate they can't do they can't touch you unless they are told to touch you or they have You can send right you would do something like we're I don't know if we was no I think it was me and um I don't remember who it was I was talking about maybe it was you what we were talking about the idea of king baylick You guys know that story in the bible king baylick and baylom me baylom is the prophet who was paid yeah, yeah With the donkey to come and curse. Oh, yeah, yeah, baylom's donkey. Yeah, so he couldn't curse him He couldn't every time he opened his mouth gods like you're gonna bless them actually, you know So like forget that well he come up with an idea with king baylick and he says we can't curse him This is what juu talks about right like the When he's talking about the the folly or the mistake of baylom. Yes, so they they

57:29Send into the prostitutes they send in all the things that cause the Jewish people or the israeli people To sin sure and once they sin he says god will destroy them That's what they're doing here you they don't have the right to do anything to you unless god says it just like in job like they have They operate in a contract separate under all of that and that's why they have to tell you what they're doing Like I used to not think that was true, but I found out that it is very true because they have in or if they tell you what they're doing The punishment is less the physical Rest things they receive they're reaping and sewing is less and different and also We're then giving some level of educated consent. Yes, so the iniquity that builds up on our side is greater. Yes That's interesting. I believe that I believe that because otherwise yes, they can touch you They can come and kill you and not right now They could mentor and candidate anybody and have them come kill you or they could blow your building up and the next building over and make it look like it was over there And I think they probably they do that. Oh, yeah, but they can only do that in small, you know instances

58:30But like as far as this wide-scale implementation across an entire culture or entire, you know, planet of people That yeah, they need to play it incrementally As long as you're a servant of god too like the the promise to the servants of the Lord You know no weapon formed against you shall prosper and every tongue that rises up against you in judgment Tao shout condemn. That's why I don't even answer people anymore. They can talk shit all they want Yeah, but ultimately like I'm doing what I feel like god wants me to do. I'm not perfect I suck a lot of ways I get angry sometimes I get like you know depressed I get I go through all the Stages I cuss sometimes, you know, I maybe I haven't I don't drink very hardly ever but you know like there's times when I've had too much to drink You know I'm saying like I'm not perfect, but I will say that I try to honor god So when you try to honor god and god knows that and he knows like look you're glorifying me You don't glorify yourself. I don't glorify myself. I don't want anybody ever to think man John is just He's like words out spiritually right right right right right like I want to be yeah

59:33And the part of me wants to be there and is there maybe the inside part of me, but my flesh is very strong Just like all of us are yeah, so you know, it's kind of one I don't even remember what was going with that. No, but I think that is huge That's kind of the difference between if you look around I'm not saying I don't want point fingers and say like like a Joel Olstein Those are always the guys that you bring up right Joel Olstein Kenneth Copeland or whatever But there are there are people in this space who Speak definitively as if they're the benchmark And it's like I used to be that way dude. I don't know why that's interesting Because anything that I've ever I was telling you earlier you said you didn't really know much about my story and and you know The audience is tired to hear it already, but I used to eat shade from dumpsters dude So like I could eat donuts from dumpsters not actual shit doughnuts and like I always say thanks for the clarification The best days were when you got the bagel bag because donut Middle getting the costume Human feces sir, sorry guys. I'm getting gross You know, I can't ever

1:00:35Pretend to be in this also like the audience sees me all the time I don't have I do content where it's like it's not highly researched I'm just going there's not much of a filter. I always say between like my brain and my mouth So it's just coming out that I can never cast the illusion That I've got it all figured out and I actually don't think that that's the point at all. I mean it's like I said at the top of the show It is the the it's the glory of God to redeem you right because when you are redeemed If done properly you can only ever point to Christ and say The only way that I'm here to do this thing because I couldn't do it on my own is because of Christ I agree with that man. It's all that because you're you're not going to glorify God by being perfect right because you don't need God right Because you're perfect what's that dude that's doing all the he wants to live forever Oh, John's Brian Johnson. Yeah, yeah, so so measuring his son's erections I think how far he ejaculates I don't know what you mean like he's doing that I think he is

1:01:36I might have made up the adjaculation but I don't know if it was like length but definitely girth Long as you've been measuring these things hopefully you know I do a child dude. What a freak? He looks like he looks like a vampire right looks like a horrifying kind of a guy. I think he's dying. He's actually dying Yeah, he's he weren't we all well. I mean his he has like a thing where his stomach is like eating itself. Oh, that's cool There's nothing to reverse it. I'm just like that's insane The stuff he was doing he was doing a lot of different like a lot of different stuff. Yeah I don't know it just feels like tower of abble kind of stuff like okay And it will so it's like all right. How are you ever gonna glorify God because he needs to repent like repent bro Like right now because God is making an open show of Of you that's what's happening right you want to live forever now. You're stomachs eating itself and it's irreversible Oh turn to Jesus live forever after that in the spirit right? Yeah, because otherwise it sounds like you've got a bit of a curse on your hands And that's typically how that goes You know, but whole world's gonna be there eventually. I mean, you know part of the vibrations

1:02:37Talk is the idea that once you change your vibration does God even know who you are anymore. That's a fascinating question. Well So I got my ex He checked us out. So I got a titanium debit card from ex right and people have got oh yeah I've been thinking about that Is they pay like seven percent now right? It's six percent Why and it kicks in every 34 days right? So I want to sharpen it. I don't want it at the wall people hate that one with that letter X But yeah, yeah, ultimately is like in the Greek is cresto so you know, it's like the there's nothing wrong with the ex it can be used In a negative way. Well, I think we're supposed to it's like money is not evil. It's it's a it's the love of money That's evil right? So we are supposed to be able to use this and navigate the world But we're not supposed to be of it. We're not supposed to be of these systems and uh, but when I look at X and now he's made it a banking thing Right, so if you were to let's say you want neural link to be something that's the mark of the beast and you're already getting it in your head

1:03:40So that's easy, but you need it to be tied into a monetary system. Well, there it goes right because he owns neural link and he owns X So I do think that this is a step in that direction But I often wonder about like let's say the frequency thing does God even recognize you anymore or or or like Men will wish for death, but won't be able to find it. I think that's what it's changing. Yeah, so if if I don't know if Christians can be possessed This is a conversation that people have a lot and and I think it's a fair one to have I think you can certainly be oppressed We are always oppressed and the battle with the flesh and the things that are whispering to us to give into the temptations of the flesh That doesn't go away. Yeah, it's just can you find strength in Christ to you know to whether that storm that idea though about this frequency Does God even recognize because we are an interesting question. We are a receiver and we're also an output of frequency So we're designed with the specific frequency that makes us who we are And if we change that I guess against God's will maybe in like a an artificial man or is what we're talking about

1:04:43Well, that's what I'm wondering if that is a thing goes in your head, right does it change that does it change that and if you get Not possessed by by definition it changes that it's going to right? I think like when we're talking about demonic possession and oppression I think that all that wearing linen changes it. Yeah, well, I mean like according to Jerry Marzensky if we're talking about The way that and do you know who Jerry Marzensky is the name I know the name but I couldn't tell you I got to that guy will put you in touch like give you some email or something Clinical psychologist for 30 something years in the field and chat drink Yeah, he's been working with schizophrenia patients specifically I can't believe I forgot to grab a drink man What kind of coffee do you want? Well, just you want to yell to Riley? What do you want? Maricano Maricano would cream Do you have to do that we're doing a show right now? I don't worry about it. No, they know they know what's up. They get us get us a coffee Coffee so I can't help it. I didn't make fun of me too. I like it So yeah, the idea is that he's working with these patients in a hospital setting

1:05:46He starts to treat Schizophrenic patients as if it's an external problem rather than a chemical problem because the the medications are in helping only They're only dulling. I do believe that. Yeah. Have you seen that documentary in HBO? I'll let you finish. I just thought there's a I think six of the children had schizophrenia in one family Huh, I'll tell you more about that. They finish what you're saying. Yeah You know, David was worried about that as well because like they say if it's in your family, there's a good chance that you'll have it but yeah My my aunts full blown skits remember I told you grandma was abducting everything her daughter full blown skits very they thought the same thing in this documentary But then they found out that the priest had been touching on the little boys dude Well, that'll do it and doing weird stuff to try to open up taking them out taking them away doing rituals on them Dude they found like I had to you don't find that out until like the last episode of the documentary But they thought they were all gonna catch it because there's like one after another was getting it like and they were doing crazy Shit dude. Yeah, I'm killed them so the trauma opens the door for these things to slip in man Well, hereditary. It's generational iniquity. Marzenski found specifically the thing that really opens up that door and kicks it and stops it is methamphetamine that usage over

1:06:53Extended amount of time. Yeah, it'll open up that doorway to schizophrenia, which is just entities It's basically you've changed the frequency You've changed the antenna in your in yourself to perceive a frequency that is like lowered a lower dimension Yeah, which is wherever the demonic frequencies exist Well, that's actually what I was gonna touch on before but wait, let me just go it last thing He eventually ends up working in a prison and he is able to kind of do what he wants with the prisoners there because the people in the hospital didn't like him Treating them like I'll see you get to their delusions. You can't you can't really say they're outside You it's got to be your broken take this pill one of the guys that he's interviewing in the prison. Thank you Wow, that was fast. Thanks bro. Thank you so much You're the best you yes I love this place man So He's interviewing a patient and he is He gives him a book and he tells him in the book It's like another guy writing about how this could possibly be

1:07:55External to him and here's an example of and the guy reads it and he kind of like clams up turns into a zombie Is a weird moment where Marzinski says he he hears an electrical static crackling go behind his head across the wall And jump into his garbage can is like a like a small garbage can by his desk. He looks in. There's nothing there The guy is like crackling around in there Crackling electrical crackling so that means that it's exists whatever this is existing on electricity Which is frequency right is all frequency and vibration so Satan like lightning fall Yes, Prince in the power of the air dude, so check this out The guy snaps out gets up leaves and he's like yeah go whatever He doesn't see this guy for a while and the guy actually kind of takes his advice that he gave him before Starts treating the voices as an external issue and starts to be able to differentiate them and then Organize himself in a better way So he comes back in months later to marzinski and he comes to to tell him about it and

1:08:56Jerry says like well, what what was the deal when I was talking to you you blanked out and I heard this noise And the guy is like oh you heard a noise and he was like yeah What what was that and the guy says that's the voices What you heard as an audible crackling sound in the room he's perceiving as a voice So marzinski goes he's like all right entertain me. What did it say? And the guy said it told me to go outside Find a shank and put it in your guts Dude, yeah, man. I had a roommate that was Schizophrenic and he's you can look him up Isaac Kennedy's his name. He went to prison twice once for burning down Somebody's house With animals inside of it then almost we're trying to burn down a Walmart He told him that he said the devil told him to do it. Yeah, he was my roommate like he's he was like They looked up to me as like a father figure at the time because I was like in my early 20s They were like 1718 and they were homeless and but they were my friends and we played in bands and I was like you guys can stay with me

1:09:56Well, I find out this dude's like crazy like he's completely crazy. I still love him Obviously we still talk and Isaac if you're listening. I know you probably are you know I love you and I've done anything everything for the guy right but he'll tell you his story He went out into autism in prison too and did weird stuff with that when he was younger He remembers the demon Odinism Odinism and you remember the demon interim when he was younger All of these things and I hope that he's free of that now. I'm not so sure of it But yeah, dude like he would beat up the alarm clock and just like start cussing at it and he tried to like you know One time we lived in the hood like the and we're talking like the darkest part of Indian Evansville in the anna which is pretty dark Considering the the kind of spirits that are over that area like these all kinds of horrible stuff that happens And he goes up to a gang member a known gang member and just starts talking shit Wow, like tries to go slash his tire We stop him pulling the house. He jumps out of a third floor window in this old like historic home and jumps down the ground I thought he'd like broke something now. He scurries off and goes to find this guy

1:10:59Like in this he's like these voices are telling him like you gotta get this guy You gotta get this guy Dude weird and he even said one time he wanted like my cousin's wife was there And he said the voice just kept telling him to punch her punch her in the face punch her in the face. Oh, yeah Yeah, that's what she looked like maybe maybe she deserved it So my my aunt has a What in particular tells her to light everything on fire and she will often smell that one before it appears So she's getting visual to like The sulfur and pew and rotten flesh. Oh, that's sound. That's like so And that's you'll get that in alien abductions same smell and even pretty sure Shane Cashman said that Gavin Newsom smell like sulfur. That's right. Yeah, I didn't say that Um, and then my cousins you know, they're better now But when they were kids when they were little kids they had these voices and it was like run away So so I would be in is there trauma in your family? So I mean like I said grandma was alien abductore victim from childhood

1:11:59And then she goes to the new age and then you know big Alcoholic and then it's a passing away super young. I'll actually plug I'll plug my co-host if if you're interested in like a Interesting story His story I've been interviewed I've interviewed him About his story on this show It was like probably two parts I think maybe we wait for three hours alone But like yeah, the life of David how he ends up here and his childhood filled with all of the things that we are constantly discovering in the show and that's I think that's like why we're looking at these things Also why I'm so Shitty when it comes to people who are big alien buffs who think like this has nothing to do with the Bible I'm like you fucking idiots man like this is so much darker matter spiritual. I get mad at ortho people Dude looks like a reptile that's out there Can we say get some grow Yeah, like he looks like yeah if he looks like the lizard man from the spider man Holy crap dude that's insane. I've heard some crazy things about that guy

1:13:04But yeah, there's a lot of people getting Asplasted by dudes they found his grinder account and everything like he's you know, okay Well, why not that lines up what I heard yeah We should out to the guys from hidden plain sight those dudes did all the detective work And they found like his grinder account. I've heard other things too that he that and if in the future He does go to jail for these things remember that I told you that there's other things too that supposedly have already been found that I believe it. I think they prop these guys up. They want them to be like a Talking heads for disclosure, but then when they kind of find some stuff that's not gonna they skirt them off They put somebody else right now it's Elizondo, you know But yeah, so earlier I was I was thinking about Lou Elizondo do you have you met him or talked to him? I'm not me know we gave Timothy our Reno a real hard time about that because he's like smoking cigars with the guy and look as far as I'm concerned You guys and Timothy made up right well. I've apologized to him, but I've not stopped scrutinizing it mostly Yeah, I apologize for being an insane person

1:14:06We had to like kind of like go hard at him with comedy Yeah, I'm not gonna do that anymore, but on the show when we see him on Rogan we go, you know like hey This is what we said you were doing you were positioning yourself to do exactly this I look through the transcript of the Rogan thing. I'm like yo You said Jesus twice and none of it was in the context of the gospel or spreading Jesus. It was just like His relationship to Adam and then something about Satan and it's like I still I listen I had nothing against alboreno, but I'm like what are you doing when you have these platforms? Yeah, if you're a Christian in my opinion and maybe I'm putting stuff on you that's wrong But like I think you should be doing this. That's the idea. I like to believe that we told them on the show too I know damn well. I know because there's no way I talked all this shit and I wouldn't do it If a day comes where we get on Rogan you better be able to count it I'm saying Jesus Christ named 33 times on that episode You know what I mean like says it even though the Rogan like open to it all Yeah, there's nothing that like there's I don't think he wouldn't be able to do that I understand why somebody wouldn't want to say it because you they'd be like oh well

1:15:09I might not get invited back. I know Timothy and I and I'm I would say that I don't know him like a brother I know him and I've talked to him. I actually talked to him recently and like one of the things that I Did I do know about Timothy? He's very meticulous about how he forms his words Because he doesn't want anybody to come back on him and say you you messed up there. Yeah, and I get that and he's he's a very Maybe the reason you guys had the issues because he does you know criticism is not something that he wants and you know he's different than other people and then and like I respect that I understand Um, but yeah, dude. I don't I don't know what he's going through and I don't I can't promise I can't even Begin to tell you that I know what he's talking about right now, right because I haven't listened. I've read his book I liked his book birthright. That was a good book. I thought I don't know that I agreed with every concept in the book But yes, he has been positioned in a very high place and without judging because I don't know what he's talking about

1:16:12I would say that if you're in that high place that god put you there and remember that it's like it's very Key for whatever you're doing. Maybe he knows what he's doing like I'll give him the winner for the doubt that god's like okay Keep it this way right Maybe there's a reason god put that guy there Can be a different game. It could he could be a lost to other people Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't really know like I said I've only talked to him You know in certain aspects of things and just getting his take on certain people because he does know these certain people sure Yeah, but he knows a lot of things I don't know because because of who he knows and whether he'll tell me that truth I don't believe he would because I believe that he would you know not because he would lie to me But because maybe he has he said he can't tell there's any any number of that's what I say and so so He's positioned high and I we know a lot of people that are like that And if god put him in that position good, but god put me in the position also like right like below your your little ball And he put me in the position to move it

1:17:13The way that I think that what you gotta do what you gotta do what you feel like is right You know, obviously I get that I totally understand where you're coming from I don't want to knock him off of there, but I want him to go like I want I want him to like take it in a in a good direction Maybe you don't I don't know no, I get it I mean everybody has with us disliking him like I don't dislike that like all yeah Everybody has their style and I don't I just like I said dude I've been wrong so many times yeah me too over the years that I'm like I'm really it's really hard for me to say That I'm right about any of this because he might have something going on that I have no idea about because people look at me from the outside They're like this dude's control opposition. How does he know these good picture with Eric? Yeah, why is he here in LA? What is he doing here? Well, here's the deal like I understand that you get that you see that and people are gonna believe that But I have a different thing going on in here a reason yeah a reason there's a purpose You may not I'm not gonna tell you all the purpose because even if you didn't you tell one person There's another one that wants to know and another one and another one is it's yeah I can't do it if you're fighting a war who tells

1:18:15All their plans like I'm gonna tell you exactly what I'm doing Yeah, like you don't need to know what I'm doing just know that in the end like when I stand before God And if they don't want to support me for it, I get it's fine like it's cool But I like at this moment in life like I know that I have to go a certain way and I don't know if Timothy's that way I'm not trying to defend him But it's fair to say you don't know don't know we don't know yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a it's a fair It's a fair assessment also like if he is doing a thing where he's got to get close. Yeah That's happens. I mean yeah, you have to like art of war like you have to you have to be close to keep your friends close And he's close to be jamming him up. I also don't I don't invite that position in that pressure, right? I mean you're I know I think you have to be you have to be opposition There has to be some opposition There has to be even for Albury or for any of us where it has to be some opposition because if there's no opposition against me I think I'm right. I think I'm right about everything. Yeah, I listen to some of the opposition I'm like it is oh yeah, sometimes true to this. Yeah, sometimes it's true to me being a this or that and sometimes it's nothing

1:19:16You know like most of the time it's just people being a jealous rage or they're upset or they're mad about something that happened Couple days ago. I even have people You know email me man. I'm so sorry for what I said on the show back then I know it probably hurts you. I'm like yeah in my mind I'm thinking like I didn't see it probably but you're it's okay. Yeah, I'm saying it's all good But yeah, dude, it's it's it's a tough thing to try to please the crowd It's not a level playing field either. You know people because they don't have a camera in a mic There's all these things they want to say yeah, and Sometimes all that comes out is one really crazy thing in the form of text as you're doing a show and they're They're watching you so they're hearing you all the time. You're never hearing them So it's very disproportionate and and they don't know my personal if they don't know your personal life They don't know anything you know sometimes if you just say like damn dog they'd be like I'm sorry I didn't know all that you know that happens really often actually so you know it is what it is But it's just um if it's if it's uh the same way you don't make an idol out of a man Is I think the same way you don't entirely condemn a man either

1:20:18So you cannot make an idol of them and you could also not condemn a man You could just look objectively at the things that are being said and then critique where it's like so So I want to ask you something in this my I don't know if this will be like Personal or whatever, but you were just at the conference And there were some some of the people that we've been criticizing Oh probably at the at the conference. Yeah, yeah, we had like this whole of spat with the pod pastors I don't know if he had the pod pastor situation. We kind of got the ones that uh Like that talked about the alien meeting. Yeah, yeah So the main gripe that I had was that I was following Tony pretty closely at the time and understood based off of his his own sharing of I guess you know the testimony of what happened That it was not what was being characterized and sensationalized by the media now the media will sensationalize the thing and that's not anybody's fault But from that point forward if you were there you have an obligation to set the record straight and I looked and saw many of the people Just feed into that one of the guys

1:21:19Like wasn't even at the meeting and he was saying that he was at the meeting I'm like this is like level yeah another guy was saying everything that is being said is true That was the tweet and it was like Immediately after that that was not the case uh so much of it was blown out of proportion But I mean there's people that do stuff like that dude and I don't like I know I must have time I don't know about it. Yeah, and It's probably serves me a little bit just better because if I do know about it then like you know I'm gonna give him a hard time when I mean I'm glad I had no but what I knew it's part of it because I had Jamie Walden on Jamie was one of the Jamie was one of the guys But not really like the guys that I saw he was just there. Well Jamie is he's an interesting guy Some people hate him some people love him. He is tied in with some people that know things Is if there's a stress for sure like I know that for a fact like you know, but Something like maybe some of the guys weren't I don't know but yeah, they're like I feel like um Tony handled it with honesty. He did yes in this case

1:22:21It seems like Jamie Walden is the guy that's bringing the information and Tony is facilitating it Yeah, the conversation Tony invited these other pastors who are like pod pastors To the meeting and say you should be in the know about this and then they got excited again I don't know if it's Jamie Walden, but it seems a lot like He would be saying maybe maybe because I saw the Perry that was his say they got it. Where's the weird shirts kind of like the guy Fieri Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, super, you know sugar. He blocked me. Yeah, you know, Perry Stone. I He's the guy that wasn't even there. Yes, yeah, so he he comes out and says something about it makes it viral Okay, and then everybody else is like I had a meeting. Maybe this is the meeting they're talking about by the way the timing of that was remarkable Right, it was a different meeting But there's there's two different meetings going on that would a lot of people don't know about there's a meeting The White House has their own people yeah, and then there's these like intelligence private intelligence people that kind of have their own thing going on So there's like there was two different meetings. It was a lot of confusion and some people probably said stuff that were like

1:23:22I don't know dude. I can only imagine if their charismatic pastors They say sometimes charismatic pastors say some of the wildest Things just right up the top of their head, you know, I know what a lot of it is is you're all of the sudden And involved in something that's on the world stage, which is kind of fascinating the fact that it The Trump administration began to break disclosure Within a week after that. So the timing was like oh my god Not even a week. It was a couple of days. It was the week. It's not perfect if you're if you're Tony Merkel Because I know I stressed the shit out of him. He was so stressed. He was 100% stressed. Yeah, and And so you know When that happens whatever the case is with any of these guys and maybe they have a good body of work underneath them I don't really know them. I just see them saying this thing that I know is not true There's sensationalizing it. There are guys that I definitively know we're at the Tony Merkel meeting who were saying The government called for a closed-door meeting Yeah, that's a big problem because that's not true. Well now you're saying that there was Not just one but not this one that you're talking about

1:24:23And that's even the thing is because guys that I know we're not at that one We're saying that that was the case when they weren't at that. So so I've still my my my aim is correct here and I just are I started ridiculing them the reason I started ridiculing them is because this Disclosure thing is such a big deal especially for me You know, I told you but my grandmother being abducted and it's a real sensitive spot with this Alien phenomenon and Immediately what happens right before they start breaking this is a huge portion of the Christian community who says these things are Very spiritual and very demonic and there is a ton of fantastic research. Yeah, that's been What's his name? Oh Jordan Joseph George? Joseph Jordan the Mufon investigator is a huge part of this and there's so many people and also the testimony of Abduc D victims who are Christian now who realize what this was That is so important to be a part of the conversation absolutely and right off the bat

1:25:27You just read it. It was made to look retarded a guy that's dressed like guy Fieri like just shot a shot a rock Like whoa, that's crazy It's like when I say when I see abductions. I believe that there's all of the above going on Yeah, I really do because the government have the power to shoot frequencies to change your train of thought Emky ultra great. Oh little like yeah, you guys had the long blonde headed kid on oh Seth kick later Yeah, I do too. He's and he I think he's got it right. Yeah, I think you guys maybe not ex maybe not exactly But what he's looking at is a big big piece of the picture. Yeah, yeah absolutely So I think they have the power to fake abductions to create a Brinsey, but there's definitely demonic undertones to some aspects of it. So Let me let me explain so the reason I'm into a lot of this stuff too is I had to experience myself in 2011 I think it was you two thousand ten or two that two thousand eleven. This is right after becoming a believer Okay, like for this is after I'm used to be a drug addict and and like I realized that I had demons myself that

1:26:32Manifested and left after I became a believer like literally Like it was just like I could feel it like it was coughing coming out of my System almost like it was puking itself out of the body. I've heard yeah, yeah, yeah for like three years these demons Followed me around through other people like they would internet and they would interject themselves into other people Like this is and I sounds crazy. I don't tell tons of people that but it's true man They would they would so one story And then I'll get back to why I believed the abductions are different different types of abductions But a friend of mine that I hadn't seen in a while used to produce his music back You know years before that we had a little studio. We cut it was a friend of mine named Carter that we would go in the studio and produce local hip-hop artists Okay, and so he calls me up. He's like John. He's like this is crazy But this my girlfriend wants to see you. I'm like your girlfriend like who's your girlfriend? And he says the name of this girl and I recognize the name because years before that we had produced for her inside of the studio And she was a musician and he said this is crazy, dude He's like listen. I'm freaked out. She's sitting in my lap

1:27:35He's like the room goes dark and then she she looks at me and she said you can see us can't you and like this dark voice And she said she wants to talk to you and I'm like well shit You know like this is kind of this is like this is getting real. This is like Bible stuff here You know like things are things are starting to take place that I that I'm like it freaks me out a little bit But at this point, I'm like I believe in the power of God I felt like David like not scared of anything out of me against the world You know, that's why I felt for you three years I'd say I still kind of feel that way a little bit just not quite as arrogant and stupid as I was before you know A little bit of difference, so not seeking it out actively. Yeah, so I'm at my friends coffee shop Jesse and Jake Fuller their dad Andy Fuller owned the coffee shop that had the bands It always came through the hardcore bands and we're out there late after hours chilling you drink coffee just hanging out Right, and I'm like I asked I like hold on man I say listen like there's somebody that's possibly demon possessed That's gonna be coming over you guys cool with that like come bringing them into the coffee shop after hours and they're like

1:28:36Yeah Like they want to see it, you know, I'm like, okay, so she comes over Manifest bending backwards all that happens. I go in the like in a few weeks later I go to boom boom working for this auger and organics company that my frentony run ran at the time. Okay Good dude You know, we he was kind of going through that process of you know believer not neither of us were knowledgeable and either of us were reading the Bible We didn't understand anything. We were just like we would love God. We want to do what God wants us to do You know like and we go to boom bull Indiana and there's this dude on the street corner He's wearing this red outfit all red and he's got a cross You know like what is this this is weird, you know, and his name is obi Franklin You can look him up. He used to travel the world and wear this red cross and he would walk around and he was preaching inside of a church One day and he and he was telling us like we're I'm gonna ready to do this thing because we wanted I wanted to stop and see him because I was like this is too strange for me. I've never seen anything like this I in fact I thought it was weird. Still think it's kind of weird

1:29:38But he's like when preaching a revival over here at this church in boom boom boom It was a small town just a little tiny town and I don't think the church is still there It's like a building the old building that was there and they rented it at the time. I go in dude After we get done working and as soon as I go in there's this girl and she go she like she's back and there's all these people Trying to cast demons out her she like turns over to me. She's like I've been waiting for you like dude like and like the whole Place is like freaking out and like and like I'm like Let's go and I go up there I'm like in the name of Jesus come out and she's like It's all over and like she she tells the story She's like I wasn't gonna get an abortion. I wanted to get abortion. She's like I saw this church And I just had to come in I don't he's like I just had to come in and and she didn't remember saying that to me But it's just like But this same demon I felt like it was the same one that just kept on Popping up here and they're trying to get back at me trying to get me back You women both times. What's that? Did it use women both times? You said oh well this yeah that time those two times

1:30:39It was it was always women, but yeah, I also thought about it because you know you said one of them was a musician And I'm like musicians, you know, they're they're open in a big way. They're channeling. Yeah, you know That's really what's happening a lot of the times for especially the really high-level ones And I just wonder if it's a little bit of an easier facilitation for this thing Absolutely, it is man a lot of musicians man because they do channel That's how they get their music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you let it you get into that flow state right nobody ever asks What's flowing and flowing through what was flowing through you? Yeah, and what is flowing? Well, it's you know It's something external. I think either God or something else. Yeah, man people don't get that you know It's it's hard when you say like you have an atheist and they go like oh, I don't worship And it's like no you all worship everybody worship something and everybody is moved by a spirit And it's just and in the only difference is whether or not you're fine tuning yourself to have a specific spirit And you're fine tuning yourself to worship a specific God yeah, because otherwise you're gonna worship something you know We kind of say if you have star wars all over your walls and and you know

1:31:43Your clothing and everything it's like it's all idle worship absolutely. We're geared that way Yeah, you know what I mean so uh, but can you get back I did like I wanted to answer this before I forget I'm people are listening And I'm be like you never told this why he believes that duchts are different. Oh, yeah, so my one of my expires is To the show It's me because I got sidetracked on this and that I do it all the time too. I I'm horrible about that But I guess people don't mind it that much hopefully um, so anyways, I I'm going to my parents house They have been telling me like my mom was telling me this my sister um Experiences have been happening on this on this property and they all live on the same property different houses But on the same property my grandpa had just committed suicide There's a lot of stories about my grandpa. He liked you. I mean he I to me. He was my grandpa I loved him. I didn't know anything much about him other than I loved my grandpa, but And I knew he was an asshole and I knew that you know, I knew a lot of those things I he used to be an alcoholic and he he did a lot of things that he's not proud of that You know, I don't even want to speak evil of the man, you know just to honor him, but he um

1:32:48died and they started having weird experiences on the property and my aunt who is mentally challenged when she was younger. She had a really bad fever and so she has the mentality of like a 10 to 12 year old Okay Yeah, that's a young girl like she's like that so she starts telling my dad and my mom that On her property that there's something beating on the side of the house is a giant And it's telling her that it wants to kill her to come out. It's gonna kill her. Let her in. It's gonna kill her And she's telling us a story and and she's not lying. Obviously to get attention. She's just mentally challenged Scared of shit, you know, I'm saying telling the story My little niece who's a little girl at the time like maybe seven maybe younger than that She's saying that in the corner of the room sometimes at night she's seen this giant man sitting in the corner Okay, my dad who doesn't he's not alive anymore died in his 50s due to you know, just kind of living life and enjoying life not in a Like a drunken kind of way, but like food and everything like that I just kind of like but he's he's never really believed in the supernatural

1:33:51He was a Christian, but he has doctorate and he was all everything was super literal He had you know the Greek the Hebrew he had he had his you know Miss majors were in those languages ancient languages. That's interesting. Yeah, so he was real Book smart kind of guy, but he didn't really believe that demons were out roaming around He didn't believe in any of the gifts of the spirit which I don't know where I stand on all of that stuff either but I do know the demons are around now Obviously, I do may have not ever believed that had any of that happened But so not a fan of tongues and things like that. I just don't know, bro I just think that like the tongues were used as a way to speak another language and then for people to be able to And it seems to make sense to me like that, but then there are there are other ones that are like Think the Bible talks about like tongues of angels Yeah, I forget the way that it's phased, but it's like it almost seems like it's talking about shit that you know You're not gonna say it should raise an alarm at the very least when it happens It's something you know, I don't know. I don't want to speak evil of something. I don't understand. Yeah, it's fair So What was I saying you're saying that um, you know your father the gifts of the spirit a literal guy. Yes. Oh, yes

1:34:56Okay, so he tells me that in the middle of the night my mom wakes up and Point and start speaking an ancient dialect of language and I can't remember what he said if it was like Like a Nasserian type language or something like that ancient something old like old language points where like If points just points and then goes right back to the bed And he said that he she was rebuking something my mom didn't remember it She's rebuking something in a foreign language and gets up out of the bed And he could just tell this and he could not think he can understand the language But he can he gets the sense of like the tone You could understand it to a certain extent because he's that's so that was his major foreign language Okay, he wouldn't like no more people would never be able to understand what that was But he understood that it was a rebuke of sorts wow and I've never seen my dad tell a story in a way that he wasn't quite sure what was going on Yeah, and so I'm like okay, I'm gonna go here to this house I'm gonna go stay at my parents house and see what's going on Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I did and I'm praying I'm praying and do the room gets dark Hitch asked dark and I can't see an ancient front of me

1:35:59I can feel weight like I'm talking like heavy air weight like it's just heavy And then within that very minute like my back of my head electricity That's when you said electricity like I'm like Yeah, hit me right here in the back of the school right where my vertebrae connects to my head there Yeah, and then at the same time it felt like and there was something there because I could see like a dark once It was down on me, but it felt like this giant man took his elbow and just Boom right my chest and just it's holding me down like right my face like this is my face. He's like And dude like and I can't get the name out. I can't do nothing and then all of a sudden I like I die I feel like I feel like I die my body like leave my body. I'm flying through the air I'm feeling like really good. I'm like oh thank god. I'm leaving the surf. I don't care anything about it I'm like I'm good. Yeah, and I slam back down into my body, bro And then I was I meant my body lights are flashing my wife's next to me sound asleep I roll off the bed and fall into the floor and at that time the lights are flashing I crawl into the other room and

1:37:04The lights are flashing you mean in the room in the room? Okay, and I crawl into the other room and when I get in the other room I there's these light beans like though when I say light beans humans, but light like super bright Couldn't tell what they were scared to look at them Scared to really interact other than when they asked me a question they said or they didn't ask me question They said you come with us and I said no, I don't want to go I was like my wife's in there and that thing attacked me in there and I want to get it out of here And then they left boom everything stopped and then with then I go back to sleep and this is the part where I'm like okay It's coming back and I start underneath my breast saying the name Jesus Yeshua That any name I can think of that is a translation of the name Jesus Yeah, yeah, it's gone Would you consider that a near death experience you think you actually died there? What I do? I don't know I wish I knew like I look back on those moments and I have no idea But it is what sparked my interest in all of this and that was definitely something supernatural because it responded to The orders it responded to my desire to this or that and like so it was it was spiritual right and

1:38:09But I hear other stories of people's abductions. They don't sound the same They sound like it could have been somebody yeah doing something but there is there is a lot of those stories that are very similar Yes, yes, there are a lot like all the ones you're talking about with Joseph Jordan like he how many cases hundreds of cases of demons or Aliens leaving in the name of Jesus right? I had Can't discount that I had an experience where I was you know Remember I told you I was up till the wee hours of the morning and I was researching because I was homeless But at the time I had a girlfriend who I could sneak in and she'd go to sleep And I'd be up till like three every morning just researching at me and sleep paralysis all this stuff And I was comfortable with the idea that it might be a A biological phenomenon where your body goes into paralysis so it doesn't act out its dreams right and uh and so I said Okay, even if that is the case and we're just hallucinating because we're paralyzed and we're in a pseudo sleep states and we're afraid So we're hallucinating scary things around the room If it's psychological there's a high likelihood this will happen to me now because I'm spending all night looking into this phenomenon

1:39:09So I was prepared for that idea and sure enough one night it happens I wake up and I am paralyzed, but I'm awfully chill about it. I'm like oh shit this thing is happening You know and I'm like looking around the room I'm observing everything I'm in my mind very confident that I am awake and in the bedroom that I fell asleep and everything is in its place and then suddenly I See the shadow of a man walk across the room and I'm struck with this electrical feeling like this sensation that it feels like I've got Minus the pain of full body taser going on and everything locks up be I can't like move anything at all And this unbelievable feeling of doom and dread washes over me that's unlike anything I've ever experienced in my waking life To this day and I black out I come to again and now I'm by my girlfriend's feet and my feet are by her head and I am I'm confused. I'm like what's going on? I have all my senses about me except I still can't move and I'm looking into my closet and

1:40:11suddenly a You know it's blickably bright white light starts pouring out of the closet and I lock up again I'm like extra paralyzed now and everything's vibrating And then boom I black out again and I wake up on the other side of the bed with my head on the pillow the next morning and For all intents and purposes I feel as though I was in that room and You know I was in a weird state where sure maybe there was some Spirituality bleeding over into my physical realm, but the my eyes were perceiving my physical room. I was or her room But yeah, so there are those elements right there's like this tremendous fear. There's this electric sensation You know the the whatever phenomenon is going on with the lights those elements those patterns do emerge in so much of the testimony But I agree with you there is some other body of testimony that seems to be an encounter with something Because they can't stop it they keep it keeps happening over and over again They'll notice like you know weird surgery scars or something that to me sounds like military

1:41:16Because that's that's something that they have the capabilities to do as well Yes, because if they're in contact with these beans, which I know they are every invention. We've had for you know I mean Tesla said he would channel this stuff I mean, yeah, yeah, so they then they got this technology. So yes, they know how to do this Yeah, so there is gonna be that too and that's that's they're used that to discredit that there's actual demons involved as well What's interesting is that the implant aspect right like what are the implanting? It's always like a small piece of metal What is a metal a metals a conductor? What are we conducting frequency electricity like yeah? I think a lot of this maybe it's for tracking But I think it's also to facilitate that mind speak We try to mesmer right Frank mesmer. I've not mesmerism is where his name came from He wrote a book about mesmerism and he was able to control people by adding metals to their drinks and stuff like that with magnetism Yeah, okay, and this is where the science of mesmerism and all that stuff comes from with metals and frequencies and stuff like that So early on in the conversation and then we'll bring them for landing because we got more work to do sounds like Who harch is work which well, I wouldn't be surprised if you got some of it

1:42:19mesmer's like the granddaddy of that kind of work or the idea that he could understand magnetism The idea of like metals and the body and how control yeah, yeah I don't know if we talked about it with you, but I know I mean I so I think a lot of the Point of the I'm not going to say the word because I don't want to get I don't want to have to edit this later for you to we all know what you're talking about The schedule right that all the kids have to go through is I think to What's most effective is to get those metal implants in the brain? And if you can get them down to a nanoparticle that can cross the blood brain barrier And that's where they're said to accumulate these heavy metals it's money That's the frequency conducting device is your brain right? This is what's tuning into these different frequencies if you can get something directly in there Which is probably why they want neuro link Then all of a sudden you have the telepathy tapes where these kids are communicating telepathically and they're perceiving all kinds of entities But you know, that's a whole other bag of worms um I want to bring it in for a landing because we got more work to do We're gonna train we gotta hold on to the show to do man. I'm excited to do this is a banger

1:43:20This is great. It's always so much better doing this in person Really is I wish you could do this more. I hate doing it. I mean like I'm like to the point now or I'm like dude I don't need enough. I want to go back to doing it like that. Yeah, but I just boiled yeah We don't really talk to as many people these days Because we just hang out with each other and with Matt and we we do these episodes But um sometimes there there'll be a reason to do them remote But it's always best to do it. I mean hopefully the goal for the goal for this studio is to be like a hub for people Obviously we're doing two at a time right now. We got here and out there going and it would be really cool to have like The more we build in this Florida community have people coming in I would do whatever yeah, that's the goal, but I mean I know every time I come to Florida. I'm swinging through you're always welcome, brother I come to for a lot of coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah Um, all right, so let's do some plugs and let's get out of here and we're the good find you so that because they forget these people Pounders quest um, and you can search John Pounders too and I'd probably will show up And now you see TV as well. I have another channel where I right now only doing Bible studies on Saturdays and I don't only do that sometimes so

1:44:22It's still going and there's going to be more to come on there, but Pounders quest is where like I'm doing my interviews Different people that are professionals hopefully and they're filled sometimes it's not sometimes there You know could be full of crap. You never know. I just interview people and see what they have to say That's it man. I'd love to get you on on the other show that I Produced with Matt straight Bible because that's like more of a We just do Bible studies on there and it's like it's a really fun show right up your alley, but I don't know if we're gonna have time next time This time yeah, but until next time I got to do a clumsy because all my stuff is everywhere Don't forget to obey some in complied guys. We'll see So And they will do The end is written In the pages Dance bar Yeah

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