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Hello, friends.

Steve Stockton here with you.

Welcome to everything out there.

Hello, everyone.

Thanks for joining me tonight on everything out there.

Tonight on the phone, we have Geral and Jane

from Midwest Night Watchers and Chiro Sounds YouTube channels

respectively.

Welcome.

How y'all doing tonight?

Good, thanks for having us.

Yeah, thanks for having us, Steve.

Yeah, my pleasure.

You had me on your show there.

I think it's right before Halloween, I believe.

And had a good time over there and thought

I'd return the favor and have you guys

on over here on the ground zero radio network.

But thanks again for joining us.

Yep, thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

So just get started here.

Tell the folks of what you guys are into,

what you're all about.

And tell them about those wonderful YouTube channels you have.

All right, I am Chiro Sounds.

That's my YouTube channel.

I just have a large variety of instruments

that I learn how to play and learn a rhythm.

And I upload the video onto my channel.

And then I move on to my next project.

So I play Native American Flutes,

drums, hand pans, tongue drums, keyboard, guitar.

And last year I learned Chinese Flutes.

So it's just been a wonderful adventure of mine

and just go and check it out

if everyone just enjoys some unique musical instruments.

Your channel is awesome.

I like it on your logo.

There you have it.

Raise your vibration or raise the vibration,

I think is the logo.

And that's, there's something to all that.

And then tell us about Midwest Night Watchers.

Yeah, then we start in Midwest Night Watchers

and got the ATN Night Vision binoculars.

And I realize there's all kinds of activity

in the field that's behind us.

Start recording all kinds of orbs.

And then we, I saw something square one night

and it would just look glitchy.

It's kind of like a matrix glitch.

And it was moving along the tree line.

It's getting ready to record it on my ATN Night Vision binoculars

and a fright out the whole binoculars all together.

Get and turn them on.

We sent them into the company

and they couldn't fix them and send us a new pair.

So then we ended up getting our psionics camera

which is absolutely amazing.

It you see like 80% more stars

than what you can see with your naked eye.

So then we start recording moving objects in the sky.

And we check the satellite apps

and we know what planes look like

and start recording more and more.

So that's how Midwest Night Watchers channel started.

And then we just started our own podcast last March.

Yeah, we did started person to veil on Midwest Night Watchers

and obviously we had you on there for Halloween and...

Last spring.

And we just been having a lot of guests come on

and it's Sunday nights at 6 p.m. Central.

And it's on YouTube and Facebook

and we're just having a great time.

Yep, I love what you're doing over there

from the interesting stuff.

And then you have, I think it's the Night Owl Lounge too.

That's...

Yeah, the Night Owl Lounge started.

We just, I came home from work at 12.30 a.m.

We started doing shows at night

and just talking to people in chat

and just having a good old time

whatever they want to talk about.

And we didn't really ever have any guests

till this last week.

Susie B joined us.

So we had, she had her fire going.

So we showed her fire burning

and we were just having a good old time in chat.

Yeah, I watched part of that.

The fireplace was a nice touch there.

Yeah, it was beautiful.

She was putting the packets to make the flames different colors.

Everyone really enjoyed that.

Just hanging out and just relaxing with each other.

So everyone enjoys our Night Owl Lounge.

And that's great.

There's a lot of us, Night Owls out there.

So it's great that we have a place to go.

I love it.

Yeah, the funny thing is, you know, we thought,

well, there might be a few people here there, you know,

go for an hour or whatever.

We've been going three, four hours

and having 30 or 40 people.

It's amazing.

Do you get a lot of people from the UK

where they're like four or five hours ahead

or from Australia?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Australian UK seemed to chime in a lot during those hours.

Yeah, the UK, their time changed a week or so before I did.

I think there are five hours ahead of us again.

So those are early morning risers over there.

I guess they come to that when it's a late night show

we're here in the States.

Right.

So now is then you can answer together

or individually take turns.

How did you get into what started your interest

in all three strange or paranormal or strange things

in the skies that been like a lifelong obsession

like it's been for me or is this something recent

or how'd that come about?

It's lifelong for me.

I was raised in the 60s with a single mom

raising four of us kids.

She took us to church, but she also told us

that she believed in Sasquatch, Loch Ness Monster and UFOs.

And she was really big into the UFOs.

I even did a essay in seventh grade just strictly on UFOs.

I've always wanted to see something when I was younger,

but when I was in my 30s and I was a single mom

out of the apartments on the edge of town,

I would see strange lights in the sky.

And it just always drew it to me.

So then when girl and I got married and found this house

on the north side of town,

that's when we started seeing really nice activity

up in the sky.

And I just wanted to start recording it

and just start filming it.

Yeah, then for me, it started in grade school early on

when we'd buy the scholastic books

out of the little readers and stuff.

And I got some on the Loch Ness Monster

and some on UFOs and I still got them up in the bookcase

upstairs from grade school.

And then I grew up watching Monster movies

and all the late night shows.

You know, whether it's acreage creature features

they'd have on at midnight and I just loved all those old movies.

So it kind of piqued my interest and growing up,

we watched kids, my brothers and sisters and us.

We'd watch Star Trek and all that stuff.

And it just kept on going through my whole life and lost in space.

And you know, then we started watching everybody's YouTube,

you know, whether it was Clyde Lewis on the radio

and you know, we watched you guys, you know.

Listen to coast to coast for years.

Yeah, big fan of Art Bell never got to meet the man,

even though I lived in Vegas, you could go what they call

across the hump to Parampi had a compound up there.

But I wasn't sure how welcome he would be

if I just showed up.

And I was on this show one time while he was still alive,

but he was out sick that night.

His producer Heather Wade was on the mic

and during one of the many breaks over there,

Art called in to tell her what a fine job she was doing.

And she had him on speakerphone.

So I got to speak to him on his show, but he wasn't there.

But that's that's the closest I ever got.

And he was the greatest.

There's nobody ever like Art Bell.

Yeah, we we loved Art Bell.

You know, and George does a good job, but you know,

it's just not quite the same, but.

We just grew up or not grew up, but we, you know,

we we listened to all those podcasts, you know,

and I listened to them on the radio whether back and forth

from work is a lot of times I was working nights.

And when we got off, you know, they were on.

Yeah, there was a time when I worked graveyard shift

and I worked at a warehouse and didn't have to really do

anything other than be there in case somebody needed something.

It was at a.

An incinerator that got rid of radioactive waste.

And nights that they were doing a burn.

It would be active in there otherwise.

I just had to sit there and Art Bell kept me company on those nights.

Now you mentioned something else there that really rang a bell with me.

That was those scholastic books.

I was the same way starting probably in about third or fourth grade.

We'd get those little papers with the books in there.

And my dad read to me when I was little I could read before I started school.

And he would always encourage me to read and excuse me.

And would always buy me all the books I wanted.

So when we ordered scholastic from school, it would come in two boxes.

One for all the other kids stuff and then one that was my stuff.

But that was the first places that I got like the big foot

at the Loch Ness Monster books and the strange and curious things.

And that led me into people like Frank Edwards and Charles sport and things like that.

But I collect those scholastic books.

Now I don't have a very big collection.

But I love the ones from my era.

I was born in 63.

So it would have been late 60s early 70s.

And those those books were just magic.

It opened up that whole world.

I mean, I had experiences before.

So first apparition when I was between five and six years old.

And it didn't scare me.

But it just made me quizzical.

You know what's that?

That's not supposed to happen.

So the interest was already there.

And then those books from scholastic and then beyond that just really open things up.

Oh, other people see these things.

Other people talk about this.

I just I found my tribe.

As it were through these books.

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Yeah, that was.

It was weird.

Because you know, all the other kids would be picking out normal.

Normal when I own about normal, but books, you know, that normal kids would read.

You know, and here I have picking out big footlockness monster UFOs.

Yeah, and I remember in 73 that was the summer before I turned 10.

There was a big UFO flap.

That year.

And I remember going out with my parents, we'd go up to my brother's house.

He lived up on top of a hill.

The basically about the highest point around where we live there in East Tennessee.

And we spent a lot of nights that summer just sitting in lawn chairs out in the yard watching the sky.

We saw some amazing things.

And then also at that time, the UFO magazines were really popular.

You're going to a bookstore.

And there'd be like a whole shelf or two of magazines that covered UFOs and stuff.

And it just, again, that really lit me up and got me into all that.

But 73, that was a good year for me.

It was about that same time when I experienced my first UFO in the sky.

The neighborhood kids would always get together to play woofable ball and stuff.

And we're over there at my neighbors right across the street.

And they had a pretty good little side yard that we could play a woofable ball.

And for whatever reason I looked up.

And I saw what looked to me was just like the Starship Enterprise.

I mean, it had the tube long tubes out and it had the circular front end.

You know, looked exactly like it was just sitting there hovering.

And I said something to the other kids and we all dove behind the bush.

You know, kind of checking it out, kind of scared.

You know, when we looked up and it was just sitting there.

That we all ducked down, you know, heightened and kind of mumbling back and forth each other.

Then the next time we looked, it was gone.

I mean, was this for a brief moment that we saw it?

Because this.

In my mind, I still see the Starship Enterprise.

That's amazing.

I wonder if it was like something trying to get your attention.

And it knew what you would look for or what, how to present itself to you to get the most interest maybe.

That could be.

Yeah, because I mean it.

I mean, I don't even know if at that time I really.

New or was watching Starship Enterprise or Star Trek.

I mean, lost in space during that time.

It did seem like those type of shows were starting to get popular on TV.

When we were younger kids.

Yeah, there were a lot of space shows and then Star Trek in particular.

I like lost in space, too, because it was kind of campy and has a funny stuff in it.

But then Star Trek was more of the hard science and things behind it.

And I like the best of both worlds there.

And I met, I don't know how many people that were doctors that say,

Star Trek was why they got into medicine.

They wanted to be Dr. McCoy.

So that's cool.

And being alive during that time, the space race was big going on too.

And I wanted to be an astronaut.

I had, I drew rockets and things and taped them to my bedroom door.

And I was sitting here.

And where we live now one day.

And my wife Nicole had moved some stuff around.

And there was a little wood block there that somebody had hand painted.

And I said, is that Robert Goddard?

And it had him with this first rocket frame there.

And she's like, you know who that is?

And I'm like, oh my God, he's one of my childhood heroes.

He was born in New England.

And there's he's buried not too far from here.

And they have a park dedicated to him that have a model of that first time.

And they've got a model of the Saturn rocket there.

So it felt like I'd come full circle.

And she's related to him in some way.

So that's just an amazing thing to me.

Because it was that time, you know, space was the place.

You know, we read science fiction later got into Isaac Asimov.

And some of the Star Trek novels that I think James Bush was the author of.

They kind of followed along with this series, but it's my knowledge.

None of those were ever made into Star Trek episodes.

Those were big.

Of course, the Star Trek comic books.

One of my treasured comic books at that time was the Star Trek comic

with Leonard Nimoy on the cover holding a model of the Starship Enterprise.

It's a photo cover.

And just on and on and on.

Had the View Master of Reels.

I had a Star Trek lunch box.

Had a Lost in Space lunch box too.

Anything I could get that was space related.

That just really turned 19 year old me on.

Yeah, I remember watching out of the.

I don't know if it's a replay or what, but the first,

the moon launch, you know, and.

And I still got the magazine from 69 of time magazine about going to the moon and all this stuff.

And I mean, that was really prevalent back when I was growing up.

So I actually remember being out in the front yard.

Where we lived at mom and dad's and we were talking about Sputnik.

And when it was going to go across the sky and all this stuff.

And.

I just grew up with a fascination of this.

Yeah, I remember hearing about Sputnik and the space dogs and some of those that the.

Cosmonauts who well that the Russians had put in the fight.

But I did witness arm strong on the moon.

I watched that with my dad.

As it happened, that's a fun memory.

But he was just a different, different time in a different.

A different, different time in a different.

Place back then, if you will, that world doesn't exist anymore, but space made it interesting.

It was interested in, you know, off planet stuff and.

What they would find on the moon and what lies beyond that.

Isn't it interesting?

They started out kind of serious with Star Trek and lost in space and.

We were young kids then and then junior high in high school.

They kind of turned comical went the elf.

And more from work.

And then the ET movie came out.

But then they got serious again.

They got, you know, independent today and made everybody, you know, really spooked all over again.

Yeah.

And closing counters of the third kind.

I love that one.

I saw that in the theaters.

And an arcade.

Close to counter is a pinball machine.

I used to play just because I liked that.

But, uh, yeah, it did get silly there for a while with Alf and, and more.

And, uh, I still enjoy ET.

We watched that two or three weeks ago.

And I saw that in the theater when it came out.

But there's always been that fascination with space and, and what lies beyond.

And, and what's out there.

And that's just one of the things I came around here.

Everything out there.

Whatever's out there.

Want to talk about it.

But, uh, what, what was your most memorable sighting?

That one for you where you saw what looked like the Starship Enterprise.

That might have been it.

Was there another one or one beyond that or Jane, have you ever had a memorable encounter with something in the sky?

I've had several memorable.

The very first video that we uploaded on Midwest Nightwatchers.

I didn't know what this thing was.

I spent hours and hours in the backyard.

Well, he was at work.

And our view, you can see the Quad Cities all the way to Chicago.

You know, even rock for, you know, just a whole northern view.

I really thought this was a plane coming out of the Quad Cities.

Because I've noticed before a UCO light and it barely moves and it barely moves.

And it's not blinking and you start getting excited.

And then it gets closer and then it starts blinking and then you, ah, it's a plane.

Well, this time it was getting closer and closer and I started noticing it looked like it was cigar shaped.

So at that time, we just got our psionics camera and was still messing with the settings.

And I went running inside and grabbed it and came out and started filming.

And this thing just started.

It turned to a diagonal like flying geese.

And then it just disappeared over our house.

And I just kind of went, what was that?

But I've seen it before because James Goodell and from me said he ranch.

Which is Portland, Washington area, you know, somewhere around that area.

He saw the exact same thing and recorded it.

And it was like three days before.

So I remember seeing his footage.

And when I saw it, I just went, oh, my gosh, that does look like the same thing that James caught and he said he ranch.

So I contacted Tyler from Journey to Truth and sent him the raw footage of it.

And he asked to put it up on his channel and said, yeah, go for it.

So then shortly after that, we just went ahead and uploaded it thought of Midwest night watchers and started our channel.

So I could upload my orbs and everything that I've caught.

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Now the biggest, biggest thing I feel is this activity that happened last summer.

Plus it happened again this summer.

I'm catching all kinds of activity around the Big Dipper.

And it started like the second week of August and it lasted about six weeks.

It only lasted an hour every single night.

That I would see two, three, four, five at a time.

Appearing underneath the handle and then disappearing by the time it got to the pan.

So I started doing all kinds of recordings.

And it lasted about six weeks last year.

So then this summer, I made sure I kept watching the Big Dipper and paying attention to it.

And sure enough, August 8th, it happened again.

It was lasting about an hour every single night.

Same thing.

Just hundreds, possibly thousands coming in during that time.

And once again, disappearing at the pan.

If you go to Midwest Night Watchers on YouTube, I've got a couple sneak peeks.

What I caught this summer.

So we're going to work on like a documentary and just editing all this footage that I have.

From these six weeks and putting it all together in one.

Now, what can I explain it?

No, Steve, I don't know what it was.

There's no way it can be satellites.

It definitely was not Elon Musk.

They were going different directions.

They would just power up and then disappear.

The only thing I could think of was during that time of year, a portal opens up.

And they're just all coming in.

But if they are coming in with that amount, why are they coming in?

Yeah, we're not even so sure that some of them aren't here and leaving through that time.

Right.

We just don't know if it's weird.

Yeah, and that August 8th, that date in history, there's all kinds of weird things and strange things and tragic things that have happened.

And on around that date, he had the, the Manson family that those killings that started on August the 8th.

The haunted mansion at Disney Land in California, opened on August the 8th.

In another year, that just that date continually pops up throughout history with some kind of strange going on.

Well, I know the Lionsgate, some kind of Lionsgate portal opens up.

And I thought that only lasted for a few days.

This event lasted six weeks, last year and this year it lasted about six weeks every single night for an hour.

And then it just stopped.

Amazing.

And I know it wasn't satellites and they work planes and they're, they look like stars.

I mean, they're way, way up there.

I've never seen anything low that you can see the metallic and, you know, and the ship.

I've always seen stuff that looks like stars and they blink at me.

They power up at me.

A lot of them, you know, they, they'll disappear.

I mean, we just seen some crazy activity up there that I know it's not satellites and definitely not planes.

Yeah.

And like you mentioned earlier, they've got apps now where you can track the satellite paths.

You can track flight paths to the planes and pretty much near real time.

And so yeah,

so you have to eliminate those things. Yeah.

Yeah, because you can tell when you get used to the psionics and stuff that you can tell.

Okay, this is a big dipper.

So you can see all the paint and you can see the handle.

Well, these things are smaller than those stars even going past them.

A lot of them and some of them are a little bigger.

Some of them will power up and look bigger than the stars from the.

Say the big dipper.

Big dipper, but.

But most of them, you can see they're just kind of faint, especially you can't see with the naked eye.

You can only see them through the psionics and they're just zipping right along.

And there's some that powered up so bright.

I do have a couple videos on our channel of some of these power ups in the dipper.

And there's no way that was a reflection off the sun.

There's there's just no way.

I mean, just the way that powered up and then when it faded out and disappeared.

It was an amazing event.

I just wish I knew exactly what was going on and why thousands were coming in per night for six weeks.

Both years.

And last year in this year.

Fascinating.

Now, I'll be interested to see if it happens again in the coming year or years.

And the most incredible close-up experience I ran out when I was a kid.

You know, I talked about week that summer, 73.

We saw a lot of strange lights in the sky, but they were way up there.

The strangest encounter that I ever had.

That was when I lived in Las Vegas.

I was a manager at a treasure island casino and I was taking one of my employees home.

It was about two o'clock in the morning.

And we were on the south end of the strip past Mandelae Bay.

But before you get to some of the other.

Casinos and things down that far.

And there's a power substation down there.

And just driving along and I just happened to look over it was over to the left.

I'm sorry, the right.

And there was some kind of craft hovering over this power station.

It was pulled over.

I pulled over.

We got out.

I looked at it.

My employees saw it too.

And it was a triangular shaped craft.

It had to be as big as a football field based on the height.

It wasn't that high above the substation really.

And it was absolutely blacker than black.

I mean, it was so black as to not even exist that type of black.

I mean, it blotted out tonight's sky.

It was that black.

And there were no lights.

There was no noise.

And it was just hovering there.

And we're looking at like what in the world is that?

And it seemed like we looked at it for longer than we did.

And reality is probably about 15 or 20 seconds after we got out of the car.

But all of a sudden.

It was just I think it went straight up.

I mean, just it was gone.

I didn't actually see it move up.

But I had a sense of upward motion.

And it might have just winked out.

It might have turned its cloaking on or something.

But it was just there.

And then out of sight either straight up or just disappeared.

And I still have no idea what that was.

Like I said, it was as big as a football field.

And just hovering there a black triangle shape.

Now again, that wasn't too far from area 51.

I've been up there.

I used to go up there sometimes and just hang out with whoever was up there

watching the skies.

And that was back in the days when you get on Freedom Ridge oddly enough.

But you can't get on Freedom Ridge anymore.

So I guess there isn't no freedom there.

I again, no explanation for it.

And I had somebody with me that witnessed it too.

But that was the most unusual close up encounter I've ever had.

Now again, area 51.

It might have been one of ours.

Some sort of technology that we're not aware of yet.

But it was an amazing thing.

Yeah, the I like how you talked about the time difference.

It's like, you know, when you when you witness these events, you know,

it seems like you're just watching them forever.

It just seems like it's, you know, everything's peaceful and no noise and no sound.

You know, it's almost like the wildlife.

You know, we have all kinds of nightcrickets and sounds and all that we we have going during our recordings.

But when you when you're focused on something you're seeing, all that goes away.

Now, whether we block that out or whatever it seems like it takes forever for us to like in this moment.

But then when we watch it or or relive it, it's like, man, it was only like, you know, five or 10 seconds.

Yeah, exactly.

Like at the time, I thought we probably stood there 15 minutes and looked at it.

But in reality, it might have been 15 seconds.

But it just it like one of those dreams that you have.

I have those dreams where you dream and you dream and you dream and you think you've been dreaming for hours.

Then you wake up and you've only been asleep for 15 minutes or something.

It was kind of like that.

I just watched this thing and I looked at it and had time to take all this in.

But I don't know.

Maybe there was some sort of something in the time and space continuum there that made it seem longer than it actually was.

I don't know. I didn't have any missing time or anything that I'm aware of.

But it was just it was an amazing encounter.

Now, I've never experienced any missing time.

Not that I know of or going down a road and experiencing strange things.

You're late.

But orbs and UFOs.

Yeah, and I've had one instance of missing time when I was a teenager.

And I think I talked about that on your show where a friend and I were peddling bicycles down a paved road in a part of a subdivision where no other houses had been built yet.

And it's just wooded lots.

And I heard a noise off to my right. I looked up in the woods.

And then I looked back at the road, but we were going the other direction still on our bicycles still peddling.

And we both experienced it to found out later. He didn't say a word. I didn't say a word.

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Part of me would like to know but then there's a part of me that I'm afraid to know.

If I was abducted and probed or something like that, I don't want to know about it. There's a reason I can't remember it.

If you're not ready, it can harm you.

Yeah, exactly. But there was no screen memory or anything that I was aware of.

It was just I looked up into the woods and when I looked back, I was going the other direction in almost three hours had passed.

And Danny, the kid that I was with when it happened, we were I was a think I was a junior in high school. He was a sophomore.

And I asked him a couple of days later. I said something weird happened the other night and he got the strangest look on his face.

I said, I thought it was just me, but it was both of us had experienced it and we were both too frightened to talk about it.

And we didn't really even mention it again after that. It just said it didn't sit right with either one of us.

That's crazy. I mean, it's it's amazing. You know, that's that's really why we started interviewing guests because we like to hear everybody's stories and stuff like that.

That just pops out, you know, all of a sudden they just tell this story. It's like it's amazing. It's like, you know, it's just so fun and interesting to hear all these different stories and different aspects that people experience.

And give them a chance to share it without having someone laugh or say, Oh, you're crazy. You didn't experience that.

We want a safe platform that they can share their experience. And we weren't there. We don't know for sure what the experience.

We need to start believing people's word of mouth instead of just saying, well, where's your proof?

Yeah, indeed. That's like, you know, we had a jury. You had a witness, you know, you believe that person's testimony on stand that they experienced or saw something or witness something.

But now these days, they want they want actual proof and set us up.

You heard that said, you know, everybody has a camera on their phone, but there's no clear pictures of anything. I just, I think we talked about this before. It's the vibration. Those things vibrate at a different frequency than we do.

And I think that's why it's hard to get a clear picture of them. But I agree. I've had that with my paranormal experiences. I've had people trying to tell me that didn't happen. I was there. I know what I saw, what I felt, what I heard, what I experienced.

And it would be like somebody turned the eye on on the oven. And until you go ahead and stick your finger on there, it's not hot. You know, it won't burn you didn't get burnt. You know, I know what I experienced. Right. Right.

But that's an amazing thing. And I'm not saying that everybody tells the truth. I've heard some humdingers as we used to say down south. But, you know, I don't just count anything. I give try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

But some of these people I absolutely believe in Travis Walden is one of my heard the man speak. And what regardless of what happened, he believes the story that he tells. And he just, you can see the look on his face. He relives that.

Every time he talks about it. And I've heard a Whitley Strieber speak too. And again, he's very convincing. And yes, he wrote, you know, books and things and had kind of a cottage industry out of it, if you will. But I believe the great majority of what he says is what was his experience.

Yeah, because it's so hard when you get into the paranormal and supernatural. I mean, how do you explain a feeling or a presence or something overwhelming you in your senses? I mean, you can't, you can't come up with proof other than describe it in your own words, how you felt and what was going on at the time.

Yeah. And the same with the black eye kids encounter that I had back in the early 90s.

That was just the most intense fear I've ever felt over something ridiculous. It was two little girls on a parking lot at two o'clock in the morning.

But and I've been in some hairy situations. I've had things that I couldn't see chase me out of the woods. But here is these two little girls. And I just there was felt like pure evil, just dread and for voting.

That was coming off him. I looking back and in retrospect, I don't even think it was two little girls. I think whatever it was, that's how it was manifesting for me to see. And that's another one of those. When I tell it, I leave it. It's almost like a PTSD.

My palm sweat, I get nervous and it's gotten easier to talk about that it used to be, but I still don't like talking a lot about it.

I've got a recorded version of it out there that they played on belief hole.

And that that's about as far as I want to get into it. And again, I've had people ask, would, would you like for that to happen again? And the short answer is hell, no.

But then part of me would like for something like that to happen again. I think I'd be more prepared and maybe wouldn't be as frightened, but who knows until you're in that situation.

A lot of times it is green memories that if you actually remembered what you saw, it would scare a little child. I mean, girl was real young. He was still on the crib. But I'll let him share the story of what he saw. But when he shared that story with me.

I instantly thought, oh, my, I think you got abducted. And that's not what you saw. That was a screen memory. And I'll let him share that story.

God, please do.

So dad, I'm a dad of building the house that I grew up in. I was probably, I don't know, maybe.

Well, they're called in five year cribs. Yeah, we're in our cribs until we were like five. They just lowered it down to your probably three, four.

Yeah. So we had that had finished the basement.

So we were living down in the basement and mom and dad's bed was on one side of the room. And my crib was just the little ways away from them.

And I remember vividly just being in my crib and I and I had to be sleeping. But my arm was hanging through the slots of the of the crib. And I felt something grabbed my hand.

And when I leaned over and looked at the over and between the slots, I saw this little

person and it was dressed in a gestures outfit. It's like you would see on the cartoons or in the movies. You know, it had the hats with the bells and the stripes and the little puff sleeves. And it looked like something from the Victorian age, like a gesture in a court.

And I didn't really feel fear or anything at the time, but he had a hold on my finger. You know, he just he just grabbed a hold of it.

And then when I don't know if I came to or woke up and then that's when I reacted and screamed and then mom came in and got me and she didn't see anything and say anything. And I didn't know how to explain it was so little obviously. And

but I still have that vivid image of that little person dressing a gesture outfit.

And and I've heard other similar stories like that where a child was visited by maybe a familiar cartoon character or

maybe a familiar one that had a little evil slant to it. And again, I think that's something out there that it like can look into your psyche or your brain and figure out what you would maybe want to see or maybe not want to see or might be accepting of.

Right. You hear these stories of two people being abducted at the same time. One experienced a bad experience. The other one had a beautiful experience and they showed them the ship and even you know, would fly the ship around. So I just make sure wonder, you know, what causes the good experiences or bad experiences.

And there was a case in the UK. I can't remember where it happened, but there was some some kids that encountered some sort of they describe it as a clown robot that talked through a speaker on its chest and invite them into a little shed or shanty or something there. And that was apparently where it was hanging out.

What on earth was something like that? Was it somebody playing a prank? Somebody that was mentally ill or was it some kind of an actual encounter with something from somewhere else.

Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, this like what we said before, how do you explain stuff like that? I mean, right. Jane experienced a robot voices.

Yeah, I was getting ready to share that. You know, the last few years, I'll take my musical instrument singing bowls, tuning forks, all kinds of different things out in the backyard. Just to experience if it's drawing stuff in.

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Well, this summer, I've kind of been enjoying this. It's a necklace and it's a 528 Hertz whistle necklace. And to me, it's just like a pitch pipe that the old-fashioned guitar tuners. Do you remember those Steve that you would blow in and it would kind of sound like a harmonica.

Yeah, I remember this. I used to have a pitch pipe that had belonged to my brother. He was a musician and he had one and got a new one and gave me his old one. But I didn't.

Didn't have any musical talent. He got all that. But yeah, I remember those pitchbikes.

Yeah, so I just thought, well, these are kind of cheap little things. So I got the necklace and I didn't buy the name brand that was $70. I've got a $39 one with a beautiful bracelet with it.

So then I got a violin pitch pipe, a guitar pitch pipe. Then I got this round one that would be like a choir director that she would blow into and then everyone would go, um, then start the song.

Well, this thing has 12 different notes on it. So I was having fun out in the backyard just goofing around not really trying to draw anything in.

And I realized I could say things in it. So I was saying hello and then different pictures. Hello, hello. And I was giggling and just having fun and it just did sound like a robot going, hello.

Well, then the next night, it's 1 o'clock in the morning and just let the dog out. We're going to be going to bed here soon. And I like going out in the back here, just closing my eyes, doing my slow breathing and just listening to the sounds and the whole neighborhood.

And it was pitch quiet. Our neighbors are elderly people. I know they were in bed, but they join our drive our second driveway going to the animal barn. They we share the driveway with them.

So over there is like 50 feet away from where I was sitting in the backyard.

It just came out and said hello and it was audible. It spoke to me. I did was not expecting to hear something and I came inside all shook and up. Probably was white as a ghost and told it to gear.

And I said, it sounded like a robot saying hello. I said it was audible. It was over there by my farm truck.

So then we went to bed. A few minutes later, something came to my mind and it said, well, that's exactly what you were saying in the same sound the night before.

And I went, oh my gosh, I was saying hello. I did sound like a robot. I don't know if they recorded what I was doing the night before or something out there was mimicking me.

But it now, like you said, yes, I was scared. The first time I really felt spooked. I normally don't run inside when I hear strange noises. But now I feel like, oh, was that my chance something was trying to communicate with me.

And I hope it happens again. You know, I did I ruined my chance of saying hello back. But I don't know what that was. It feels an elemental Sasquatch was at me time traveling saying hello to myself. I don't know what it was. But that was the first audible voice I've ever heard.

Well, it certainly got something's attention if you have not heard stories of that where there are things out there that will mimic a voice of a loved one. Sometimes that's already passed on.

It tends to come out of a cave or or somewhere deep in the woods. I've even heard stories of people that will hear the voice of someone that's still very much alive, but hundreds of not thousands of miles away at the time.

So I think there's something out there that can mimic things. And again, it would have to get it out of your mind in order to mimic it as something you could recognize.

And that kind of jogged my memory of a couple of things, one of those relative of mine when he was small, he was a, I think it was his grandmother's house.

And he, they had a fan in the window, an old box fan in the window. And he was talking through the fan, you know, it'll do that to your voice and make those weird sounds and stuff.

Well, later after the house cooled down, I got ready to go to bed. They turned the fan off and he was sleeping on the couch in a room off the kitchen. And he said he heard outside.

What sounded like something talking through a fan answered him back and saying, Hey, we're here. How are you doing? And it scared the crap out of him.

We were just talking about that the other night when I was sharing it with our chat that it did, you know, it's similar to yelling or talking through a fan.

Now with my older neighbors, I mean, they're around 80 years old, one o'clock in the morning, even if they were out in their sunroom and, you know, wanted to do a practical joke, he wouldn't be able to do that voice that sounded like a robot because I was using one of these little pitch pipes.

So it can't be somebody doing a practical joke on me, but I was not expecting it that night.

It just makes you wonder really what's out there that can do things like that. Why would it do it?

And then you said that was a certain frequency pitch pipe. So whatever frequency that was, whatever answered you back, that's the frequency that it hears and listens to apparently.

Yeah, well, that pitch pipe had 12 different notes. So that's all different frequencies. And I was also blowing in two of them at the same time.

And it really sounded like a UFO, you know, like a funky different thing and almost sound like you're getting ready to open up a portal.

But I was I was just goofing around having fun that night. I wasn't really using that to actually draw anything.

You hear about things like that to do answer back another friend of mine. He was out in the woods somewhere one time saw light in the sky. He was a hunting, I think.

Either possum or raccoon or something like that, whatever you hunt at night.

And he saw this light up in the sky and he just shined his flashlight up at it and blinked his flashlight. And if whatever it was blinked back, but he said, you know, it was way up in the sky.

I never wasn't a plane or anything like that. But it answered him back. He did it a few times. It would flash back and then it just took off.

And then we're talking about the sounds. My brother had an encounter when he was probably in his 20s. So he's 17 years older than I am. He's passed away.

But he saw something in the sky one night. He described it as a white ball of light with like a red ball of light in the center of it. And it was admitting sparks.

And he had never seen or experienced anything like that. But he said when it flew over like directly overhead, he heard these tones or noises coming out of it.

And this was back in the day when the telephone system that was the old rotary dial, what they call the crossbar switch magnetic switch or mechanical switch at the local phone company office that connected the cause.

Well, years and years later, probably 20, 25 years after that, when they had touch tone phones installed.

He was dialing the phone for the first time. And he said, that's the noise that that whatever I saw in the sky.

All those years ago, it was touch tones, but I didn't know what it was because I'd never heard a touch tone at that point.

That's kind of strange.

Yeah.

That's why me and James, I mean, we're so involved in music and tones and frequencies.

You know, it's just part of our lives growing up. I've this love music my whole life. And you know, we've talked about on shows where if you listen to music, you can go right back to that time and moment and the feeling and the atmosphere that you're in when you first heard a song or a great song that you just love.

This takes you back almost like a time traveling thing.

Yeah, we bring it all the time on our shows.

I'll hear a song is when we're out driving around Nicole has a playlist that she plays through the car stereo.

And sometimes there'll be a song that'll take me right back to 1979 or 1980 or something. I remember where I was when I heard it what I was doing.

And then there's other songs that I used to listen to that I can remember, you know, listening to it on cassette tape and knowing what song would be next.

Or like when I would rewind it and listen to it again, it would make that high speed backwards rewind sound.

I can still hear that or showing my age here.

It's up that I listen to on eight track and waiting for that could chunk sound when it changed track.

It does it music and sound and noise and things like that.

It does something it gets in there and leaves an indelible mark on you in some way.

Yes, that's why when we're doing our shows every once in a while, we'll have a reference to something like that.

We'll talk about the frequencies and the vibration and trying to and that's why James Logo says raise your vibration.

We're trying to raise ourselves to a higher consciousness and the sounds and vibrations are all connected somehow or the universe.

And if you go by what Nicole Tesla said, you know, it's all about that frequency and vibrations getting it right and trying to attune to the world.

And certain frequencies and hurts are such a healing to our bodies.

Those tones they can heal you there. Likewise, they're tones that are detrimental. They can make you sick.

They can I've heard of some of the crowd control that they use where they blast a certain frequency and then heard about the infamous brown sound.

They call it where I think it was the guys in the Bose laboratory accidentally played a tone through a big system and it made those that heard it evacuate their bows to say it a nice way.

Can you imagine weaponizing that you've got, you know, a marching army coming into town and you play a noise and they all saw themselves. Well, that battles over with.

Wow.

I mean, yeah, we always say it's all connected, you know, whether it's the paranormal UFO, cryptid world and supernatural. It's all connected.

And I think it's all because of the frequencies and the vibrations that that travel across that whole plane, no matter what field you're in.

Yeah, I agree. And it's I think it's the human residents. I think I've got that right. There's a certain frequency that apparently all living things vibrate at and that ties back in to the mathematical principle of the golden ratio.

And you find that everywhere in nature. And I think God is in the numbers there, the frequencies and the residents and the golden.

All that I think it's all connected together music is really just math, I think.

Because you know, you have fifths and eighths and all that. And I think that's why I've never been very good at music. I'm terrible at math.

I've asked Burgers as a kid, but a math was just beyond math. I couldn't comprehend it. I struggled with math my entire life.

And indeed of math is music. There you go. That's why I can't read music or know the chord charts and all that stuff.

Well, just look at the old hymns and the old music. It was to even the guitars. Everything was tuned to 440 hertz and the songs for 440 hertz.

But if you tune it down just a little bit to 432, it is more of a healing effect to our bodies.

So a lot of people are turning their guitars down to that and they're changing instruments that are a 432 hertz and they're getting away from that 440 hertz.

Yeah. And I've seen YouTube channels where they would take pop songs and things like that and tune it down.

And it sounds like a totally different song because of the emotions that it evokes are different than the normal listening to it.

Yeah, sound and music. I mean, it's just amazing what it can do. Like we were talking about before.

It can either do your harm or do your good. And I think that's why they changed the music.

You know, when you get into rap and you get into heavy metal and all that that screaming and yelling, I think it changes the whole thing.

You almost get an evil feeling sometimes when you listen to that kind of music. But then you change it back to the 440 or whatever 432.

And then you get a whole different aspect like you were saying about those songs.

Yeah. And Jimmy Hendricks even talked about that. He talked about how there were certain chords or notes that he could play on the guitar that just open people's minds up without them even knowing.

And he said, I can preach straight into their subconscious after I've opened their mind with these tones or chords or notes or whatever.

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Now these being Jane talk about this all the times is we're so involved in music and frequency and stuff about.

About the temples and the old European cathedrals and stuff that how they're shaped the bounce the sounds and stuff off and we believe that the hymns and the music that they play were actually for healing and.

And meditation and then you know since in the modern age, we've changed that that music that doesn't do the same thing anymore.

So we think those temples like even the pyramids were made to heal people.

Yeah, I agree. And then there was a big movement in the 70s, a pyramid power. You guys probably remember that where there was books and then kits you could buy people would take things like razor blades and put them under a small pyramid structure.

And it would sharpen the razor blades and there were people that had pyramids built in their house frames big enough to take it sleep under they claim that they had better sleep.

They had better health and just overall a better general sense of well-being from sleeping under a pyramid and again that there's the math of the pyramid there.

Well, look at the tree structures and the woods that know Sasquatches are doing it's not really a home or anything we've heard from several different researchers that they use it for energy.

Just like a pyramid they're making these structures for energy sources.

Yeah, maybe I've conjectured on that before that maybe they're lost trying to get back to where they're from.

And that's why they build those structures to kind of raise the signal raise the vibration to send out and as to the west, I gave a talk at the

conspironormal guy that has a show. I can't think of his name right now. I gave a talk at that a few years ago about I connected.

Pyramids UFOs Sasquatch and the tower of Babel and that Bible story they were building a tower to reach into the heavens that are trying to usurp God.

He saw what they were doing and then scattered those people confused their language.

Well, you know, you have the great pyramids there, but there's these other pyramids in other places in other countries that aren't quite as fancy.

And I thought about that the tower of Babel, what if that was a giant pyramid they were trying to build.

And then suddenly when they were scattered, you find yourself in the middle of the jungle in Peru or somewhere in Mexico.

Well, the first thing I do, I would think, well, we were trying to build this pyramid and I ended up here. I don't know how I got here.

Maybe I need to build another pyramid to get back. And that's why I have these other pyramid builders. I think that's just I was just kind of having some fun with that.

But random round about kind of way that that's a possibility kind of the same with the cargo cults in the South Pacific during World War II.

They saw these planes landing and they thought those were gods and that they built recreations of radio huts and the planes themselves and they would sit there and repeat what they heard.

The radio operator saying to land these planes and they thought that by doing that, they would summon these gods from the heavens and they would bring all this wonderful cargo to them like it did the soldiers that were there.

It's amazing what what the human mind can do when it, you know, tries to apply it so to something that you don't understand.

It's amazing that there's all these pyramids all across the world, whether it's in Japan, China, the US.

I mean, we have we have ancient structures in the US that are mountains and pyramids, you know, but they're covered up with dirt and soil and grass in the oceans.

They're finding pyramids in the ocean.

You got South America, you know, whether it's the Mayans and all, you know, all this stuff.

But what are what are the pyramids from Giza and the ones from the Mayans and the Incas actually really did connect to each other and maybe it was free energy maybe because you was talk about the pyramids being like a battery or an energy source.

And you mentioned Tesla earlier and I think that's what he had tapped into. He supposedly had a system that he had developed to provide energy worldwide through repeating substations like that.

And I believe that too.

And yet when he died, broken in a little hovel of an apartment, somebody got all his notes and burned them.

And you go, you go into conspiracy theories about that, you know, who took his notes, you know, when he died, you know, and all the stuff that he had in his notes, what, what was in his notes. That's what I'd like to know.

Yeah, indeed, he was, he was on to something there. The man was an absolute genius. And if you've ever read a lot about Thomas Edison, he lifted some of his best ideas directly from Nikolai.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's just so it's just so weird that everything's connected to over these vibrations or frequencies, you know, and obviously Tesla always mentioned 369. Well, there's 369 and everything we do.

There's that golden ratio again. Yes. And he definitely was into frequencies and healing and what all these frequencies actually do and opening up portals and some people are saying that they use certain singing bowls and different pitches that a portal would open up.

And I think Tesla, he was on to something.

I agree. And those Tibetan singing bowls that you have, I've messed around with those a little bit. There was a shop in Portland that had sold a lot of esoteric things like that.

And those are amazing. You get that little, I don't even know what you call it a mallet or a hammer, whatever going around there. And then I've seen people do that with like water glasses to fill it with different levels of water.

You dampen your finger and go around the rim of the glass with your finger. And I think they call that a glass harmonica or something like that, but they can tune it based on the level of water in it.

And I was always blown away with that when I was a kid. I could do it a little bit, but not enough to actually play a tune or anything.

I didn't do much other than aggravate my parents with that one stop that.

That's what's unique about these singing bowls that I have. I get the seven metal hand hammered singing bowls from Nepal. I don't have any crystal singing bowls.

I have nothing really against them. I just like the sound and just the vibration that reflects off of the seven metals.

And you don't just get one tone. Some of these you get several different tones and different notes and it's like a combination frequency with some of these things.

Yeah, there's like a subtext there that you hear the main note, but then there's smaller notes and even little melodies that seems to break into off that so much about stuff like that that I don't think we even comprehend yet.

Right.

Yeah, so we're trying to figure out, I mean, not really figure out, but we play around with it a lot.

You know, when we get those singing bowls vibrating just perfect that you can just feel it emanating through your whole body.

You know, whether it's almost like a percussion going into your body and we're trying to figure out if there's a frequency or a vibration that if you can combine two together.

Or, you know, we're hoping something will happen whether we have crystals around us, you know, in the house, you know, we have all kinds of gemstones and stuff and they all vibrate at different different frequency.

So I mean, everything's made of atoms and all this and everything.

Even the touch tones.

The touch tones that I referenced, those are made up of two separate tones.

If you press all the numbers going down, that's one of the tones and then the numbers across that's a different tone.

And then when you press a single button, it combines those two tones to make a tone that's machine readable.

That's kind of what I was doing with my singing bowls.

I was raised as a musician. I play keyboard and guitar.

And when I play keyboard, I play by chord. I don't play by reading the music.

So there is a different between one note or playing that chord of three or four.

So I did that with my singing bowls and I knew in my ear of what sounded good and what was a chord.

So I'd get three of them going at the same time.

And yes, there is a totally different effect when you hear like a whole chord of three different notes blending into one.

It's amazing. It kind of reminds me some of that of the Appalachian dulcimer where you have the drone strings.

And then you're noting the one or the two strings across the other end of it.

Yes.

That droning and you can still even doing that.

I could pick out chords, you know, and say that sounds good.

That doesn't.

And the bagpipes kind of work on that same principle.

There's a drone sound and then individual notes played over there.

That dulcimer.

And the first two notes are the same note and then the other one is higher and you can make different tones.

And just even just a basic drum beat.

You just get a Native American drum and just hit it with the basic beat.

That draws elementals or an also draws.

I mean, just does something to your body.

Just a simple drum beat in the Indians definitely picked up on that.

And my brother and I were talking about that one time.

You know, I both and we didn't know it until we sat down with talking about something else.

But anytime I hear the bagpipes, it stirs something up in me.

I feel something and my brother's like, I've always felt like that too.

He said, it makes me want to fight or or do something.

Well, it's up and we do have that Scottish ancestry back in there.

So maybe that's what it is.

But yeah, I hear bagpipes and it just, it's like that old episode of the Three Stooges,

where they played pop goes to Weasel and it made him turn him into a professional boxer.

It's kind of like that, but with bagpipes.

Yeah, so amazing how music and frequencies and vibrations, this effect is a body.

Like we talked about before, it can be healing.

And that's why we get down here in the music room.

And we try different stuff and different tones and vibrations together to see,

you know, how does it affect us?

And we make meditation videos that are up on chiro sounds, you know, we're...

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This is just nice and meditating, and this takes you to a different place.

And I love the tongue drums and the hand drum or the hand drum or whatever they're called.

I had a tongue drum when I lived in New Mexico, but inadvertently I'd ordered it in a major chord and not a minor.

So it didn't sound like I wanted it to.

There's a piece of music on YouTube that I use often.

It's by Kevin McLeod. It's called Night Music.

And it's a beautiful, beautiful minor chord hand drum.

And I've got over on our Insomniac Radio Theater channel.

I've got like a four hour loop of that music.

But I use it a lot in my missing person videos, how to among the missing.

It's one of the cold favorite pieces of music too.

But I was messing with that.

The tongue drum that I had one time and I had to electrify it.

I put contact mics up in the bottom of it and then it had a little plug on the bottom.

And so I had it going through a piece like a 15 watt guitar amp.

And I was getting some strange noises out of it.

But I noticed I had an acoustic guitar sitting in the same room.

And there were certain notes that I would play.

It was causing the strings on the guitar to vibrate.

And whatever the guitar was, it was like it was playing itself.

But it blended in.

It was accompanying what I was playing.

That was a strange experience.

Yeah, I explained the people that you can have a keyboard in front of you and you play.

But if you have a real piano and you sit down in front of a piano,

it's hitting those strings and you can feel the vibrations coming out of the piano versus that you're not on a regular electric keyboard.

Yeah, it puts a whole different level of different aspect on it when you can feel those vibrations.

Any type of electronic instrument like that, you're not going to get that vibration.

And you can.

Yeah, those the keys strike the hammers, which have the felt pads that strike the strings.

And yeah, you can feel it in your fingers, in your feet.

If you're using the sustained pedals and the stop pedals and things down there,

it can be a whole body experience just playing the piano.

Exactly.

And I think people have gotten away from frequencies.

And it's just, you know, last decade or so, the tuning forks, tuning pipes.

All this is coming back out and being known.

And people are going through the frequencies for healing.

And like you were explaining about your dad's kidney stones.

Yeah, back in.

Oh, I don't know what would have been 80s, probably.

70s, 80s.

Yeah, somewhere in there, dad had kidney stones and we went to the biggest hospital here closest to us.

And they actually submerged him in a saline solution.

And they sent vibrations through the water, different different tones and frequencies.

And it actually broke up the kidney stones, but didn't affect any of his other organs inside of his body.

That's amazing that they can tune it to just the frequency needed to only dissolve the kidney stones and not affect anything else.

I had a strange experience as a child.

I said, my brother was a musician.

He played a lot of different things, all self taught.

But he had a tuning fork that he used to play as guitar.

And just I was fooling around with it one day.

He was doing something else.

He left his guitar case open.

I saw that tuning work.

And I took it and I whacked it on the table.

And I don't know what possessed me, but I put it on the top of my head.

It's like my whole head vibrating.

I mean, like my vision was jumping and saying, it's kind of scared me.

I thought I'd have done something to myself here.

But of course, as soon as I took it off the bone there, it stopped.

But it was kind of frightening, but exhilarating and kind of thrilling at the same time.

Right.

That's what I do with my tuning fork.

So you can put it on a sore elbow or a sore knee.

You know, if your stomach is upset, yeah, you hit it and then you put it on your body.

And it's similar with the singing bowls.

I used large singing bowls on the body for massage.

And it would just shake the bones and the muscles back together where it naturally is formed.

And you can put a singing bowl upside down on your head for sinuses or neck pain.

And it's similar to what you said.

And when you put that tuning fork on your head, you can feel that through your skull.

And you can just feel the vibrations going all the way down to your neck and to your shoulders.

Yeah, it might have made it my whole head.

I mean, my brain, I'm down to my start of my spine there and the brain stem and stuff.

And I thought, oh, my God, what have I done to myself?

But it didn't have a lasting effect as far as I know.

Maybe that's why I'm so weird.

But that is amazing.

Those frequencies that you can use that for those, put it on a bone or something like that.

Use it for something that's you're not even thinking about.

And it also reminds me of you talked about horror movies and things early.

Do you remember Phantasm movie where they had a portal in the funeral home and those posts in their Reggie,

the banister, the character in the movie, it reminded me of tuning fork that he is for his guitar.

And he put his hands on there and then it started vibrating and he went through the portal to whatever planet was that they were sending the people to out of the funeral.

And that's a strange, strange movie.

Yes, so this, this reminds me if, if you could get something big enough like that to vibrate.

If you could put your hand through it and, you know, if you can go into a different dimension or a different, like a portal.

So, tuning forks of that size, those were the size of like stanchions that they hang a red velvet rope from bigger than that.

And they'd have to be careful with their frequency because it could probably like literally shake you to pieces if you pick the wrong frequency.

Make your teeth rattled as they say down so.

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Yeah, because we talk about this all the time and it's out there, you know, the different frequencies and vibrations for each chakra of your body.

You know, you got your your head, your root, your chest, your torso, your legs.

I mean, you just have all these different frequencies that affect your different parts of your body.

Yeah, with the chakras, a lot of people are into the frequencies, but when I was the vibrational sound therapist with Singapore several years ago,

I knew the notes that you use for, you know, have person just lay down and you would do these tones and the root chakra is, well, not the middle seat, but the lower octave C.

And then the next one is D, and then your upper abdomen is E, your heart chakra is F, your throat chakra is G, your third eye is A, and then your crown chakra is B.

And then I would do the higher C, which would be like a middle C and a piano for just a overall aura of the whole body.

So on you, somebody can just sit down in front of a piano, close their eyes and meditate.

If you knew where the notes were with closing your eyes, but yeah, you would just do C all the way up to the next C and you are lining up your chakras.

Amazing. I've heard of that. And then I've heard of using the tones in addition to light.

I think that's the different colors of light showing on the chakra that's filtered through a crystal.

I never went, but there was a place in Portland that did that they had you on a table and they shine different light through some sort of crystal apparatus and had different colors of light for different chakras.

And then tones for that too. And then they claimed that people that had that tree made claim that it cured all kinds of things from something simple like sinus problems to addiction or maybe kidney disease or something.

Yes. Yeah, there's all kinds of crystals that are associated for different chakras.

Fascinating on just, you know, we don't know everything about crystals also, but you know, God sure did because he pointed the Jews to make that breastplate of righteousness that the high priest had to wear going into the holy of holies to go in front of the arc of the covenant.

And then what stone to place where and what row. Well, he knew that it opened up a portal or something when he lined up those stones, but that breastplate of righteousness on.

And it was interesting that each stone of that breastplate of righteousness represented each tribe of Israel and God knew exactly where to place those stones in order to go to that holy of holies, you know, be in front of that arc of the covenant without being struck dead.

And that that's amazing too. And a lot of people kind of debunk a crystal energy and things, but if you think about it, those same people, if they're wearing a watch, if they look at it, probably since crystal movement in it or of course movement.

And as a crystalline, I talked about that on your show how when I was in Cub Scouts, we made a crystal radio, I have a little piece of quartz.

And I think a piece of copper wire and a razor blade and a little earphone, a little earplug phone, and you could pick up a m radio with a crystal.

So there's something to all that they store energy, they receive energy. And likewise, I think they transmit energy.

Exactly. That brings me to the crystal skulls that they've been finding, you know, and I remember Arthur C. Clark, you know, in the crystal skull on how it would.

If you get enough of them together, it's like whether there's 12 of them scared across the world, if you get them all in one place, it's supposed to do something because they all interact with each other.

Yeah, I've heard that story. I was fascinated by the crystal skulls who I was younger to. I read everything on that that I could find.

And just the craftsmanship that went into those. Yeah, I think there are 12 of them. I don't know, have they all been located? Have they ever had them all in one place?

Yeah, I'm not sure.

No, I don't think so. I think I think the most I've seen is like three, maybe or four. I don't know if they've how many they found.

If I remember right, I'm pretty sure Clyde Lewis on one of his shows they brought one of the crystal skulls in to the studio, didn't they?

I believe so. I mean, he's had some strange things in there. He had the original Divick box. He had that they opened that in the studio and everything went while the heat.

The thermostat messed up and got 90 something degrees in the studio. They couldn't turn the heat off.

I remember that show. Yeah.

And then another time they had a suit coat or sport coat that belonged to John Wayne Gacy and they had it in some kind of chamber where they were bombarding it with vibrations and they were trying to create a specter or something like that.

I don't know how that turned out, but Clyde, Clyde gets into some pretty esoteric territory sometimes. I love it.

Yep. Yeah, we love listening to him.

Now, one thing kind of getting back toward the UFO stuff that I wanted to ask your guys opinion on.

What's your theory on the black night satellite? Do you think it's space junk or do you think it's something of extraterrestrial origin?

Because it moves in the different direction. I think we're one the satellites move clockwise. It moves counterclockwise. I may have that turned around in my head, but you know anything about that.

We looked into it some my theory is we kind of go into all these different resets.

And we got into tartaria, the mud flood. You look at Atlantis. You know, we're talking about Tesla and the free energy.

I honestly think that that was something from a long, long, long time ago.

We don't really understand or explain. I mean, I don't even think that I mean, have we even gone close enough to study it? Why am we destroyed it?

I just I just wonder if it was from the Atlantis age or even from tartaria before all that got destroyed with all the beautiful cathedrals and.

It's not a speculation that it could be a spaceship that is alien craft somebody watching us. Yeah.

No, no, no, the amazing thing about I think they've seen it for like over a hundred like 120 years or something like that.

Yeah, it's been there a while and that to me says it's not space junk, but not ours anyway, because we weren't sending anything out.

120 years ago, other than just the most rudimentary rocket like gunpowder rockets or something like that.

Well, I don't think they want to talk about it much because it would make people go down the rabbit hole of why would something be out there that's been there for hundreds of years.

Who had that technology back then?

Yeah, and it is some interesting theories after there's even conspiracy theories and things about it.

But who knows it's just one of those mysteries to ponder, but I'd like to know more about it.

And something else that's in the headlines a lot was more so a while back, but I'm hearing noises again.

What do you think about full disclosure? Do you think we'll ever get that or is that just pie in the sky so far?

I've heard everybody say, oh, we're on the cusp of it.

And then it turns out to be a big nothing burger, if you will.

But they say it's because people just aren't ready because they'll up in religion and all our ways of thinking and everything.

What's your opinion on full disclosure? Will we ever get it?

I think the congressional hearings is more about them trying to save face because they've lied to us all these years about what they've had and what they've known all this time.

And there's such a grassroots movement in the UFO field that everybody's had these experiences.

And since the pandemic, they all started their YouTube channels and podcasts. It's like we did at the time.

And everybody's talking about it is all this evidence that there's people are starting to hear more and more of everybody's experiences.

So I think the hearings are more about them coming out and saying, well, yeah, there's something to this.

And you know, well, so I think they're trying to save face a little bit.

I just don't see them coming out and admitting that they've been lying to us for 80 plus years.

They would have so many lawsuits of all these abductees and even some of the super soldiers that claim they've been taken for 20 years and back.

And I honestly feel that the agreement that they had back in the 1930s or 40s with the reptilians, graves, whatever they are.

That they gave us technology, but we allowed, you know, a certain amount of abductions.

Well, if the reptilians and graves are still in charge of our government around the whole world, they're not going to want to come out and give us for disclosures that they are pretty much in charge.

That's just kind of how I see it. And it's just my opinion also.

And likewise, Laura Eisenhower, I don't know if you know who she is. She has a YouTube channel.

She's into a lot of esoteric things like that. She's a president, I believe granddaughter, maybe great granddaughter.

She has great granddaughter, yes.

But she claims that it was like an open secret in the family that Eisenhower, Churchill, Adolf Hitler,

House to Crowley and somebody else was in like a midnight meeting where that took place where that treaty was signed.

And you think about that, they specifically use the word treaty. It wasn't exchange, it wasn't agreement.

A treaty sounds like something that you signed to keep from going to war.

And basically they probably knew whatever these things were. If you know, this is all conjecture here that they could totally annihilate us.

So they signed this accord, this agreement to keep from being destroyed and kind of rubber barrel about what they had to allow to happen.

But then they did get something in exchange. And if you look back.

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It was just shortly after that that technology group by leaps and bounds.

You know, we went from that to transistors and things in the 60s to where we're at now computers in the 80s and just on and on.

There's been some some spectacular leaps there just since that happened.

Yeah, we've just had an explosion.

I mean, you know, you go from horse and buggy to from Morse code all the way to cell phones and all this computers and electronics and AI.

I mean, and a lot of the products you'll see advertised will say, you know, developed from NASA. Well, did it really get developed from NASA or was it information that was giving to us.

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Remember, it's been about a year or so ago, maybe not quite a year, when all those Chinese weather balloons were being spotted everywhere.

Well, about the time that was going on, where I lived in New Mexico, I had like a garden shed in the back.

It was made out of a tubular aluminum just with a tarpillion light material stretched over it.

No ground had just sat on top of the ground.

One Friday morning, I went out there and it was gone.

And I looked in the neighbor's yard, I looked over the fence, I walked around a couple of blocks there, no sign of it because it had blown away before once and ended up down to the baseball field down there.

But this time there was no sign of it and even had a kid who was staying with me at the time.

He had a friend come over and they got in his car and drove all around several miles in different directions, no sign of it.

Well, one week to the day, I went out that morning and disappeared on a Friday morning or it was gone that morning when I got up.

One week later, I went out there and it was back, but it was the back end of it was hanging in some limbs of a tree there.

But other than that, it had fallen right into the same place that it used to be.

And I thought maybe it's been in my neighbor's yard that I just missed it or something.

And I'm down there, but the top of it, there was a big hole in it.

And I was trying to get it down out of the tree and there was an elderly couple that lived behind me.

There was a privacy fence there.

My little granddaughter was there. She probably seven or eight years old. She popped her head up over the fence.

And I said, did this come out of your grandparents yard? And she said no. And she pointed up.

And I said, really? And she said, yeah, we watched it fall.

And there were some other little kids playing over there. And they all agreed that they watched it fall from the sky and land in the backyard.

And again, one of my neighbors said that maybe the Air Force mistook it for a weather balloon and shot it down.

It did have that big hole on the top of it, but no clue.

We went to where it was at for a week or how it ended up in the same spot.

But I know I looked in the backyard and stuff. It just wasn't there.

So another mystery.

Yeah. How do you explain that? You can't.

It makes you wonder whether.

Kids swore that they watched it fall from. They said it was looked like a little dot.

And they watched you get closer and closer and closer and it fell almost exactly in the same footprint where it was sitting, except the rear end of the backyard caught in some trees.

Oh, that's crazy.

It just makes you wonder if objects certain objects attract like a vortex or something.

And I've wondered about that. If you read Charles Ford, where he talks about those strange rainfalls of pebbles or frogs or things like that.

And the debunker cell was just, you know, the wind picked it up or a mini whirlwind or something.

But why would it only pick up rocks or frogs? It would pick up anything with that same kind of weight and mass, you would think.

But it just in particular, there were rains and these are documented rains of frogs, rains of fish, rains of coins, rains of some type of flesh that they still have some of that stored in.

I think see their alcohol from aldehyde at Transylvania University.

So again, there's just things out there that make no sense and that we can't explain.

I wish if I had known that was going to take off, I would have tied a GoPro to it and see where it went.

Somebody said, I should spray paint, not a weather balloon on it, not a Chinese spy balloon.

And let it go back up. But I don't know how it got up in the first place.

I ended up, I was afraid it would blow either into my house or into some of the neighbor's houses or cars or out in the street or something.

Signed it up, taken that cover off of it and cutting it up so that it didn't take off anymore. But again, who knows, but it was gone for a whole week.

You mentioned coins and that happens a lot in the paranormal in the supernatural where in haunted buildings or whatever coins will drop out of nowhere in rooms or out of the ceiling.

And they'll be like, you know, the 1800 coins, the old coin.

That's one of the things about hauntings in the paranormal that's always vast in the name of me.

And a lot of times when those things appear, they'll be hot to the touch.

Where have they been that, you know, passing through whatever they pass through to get here, it heated them up, not super heated them up.

But they'll be hot to the touch, not burn you hot, but hot enough that you can discern that it doesn't feel cold like a coin normally would.

I've heard stories of when people are out in the woods and they get rocks thrown at them that they're expecting from Sasquatch, but they'll pick up these rocks and they're hot.

That same exact thing that you just mentioned happened to me in the Jefferson National Forest of near Damascus, Virginia, the Appalachian Trail drops off there at Damascus.

So I'd been in the forest there.

I was in there hiking off trail at night with a headlamp.

And I'd been here in the tree nox and the yips and the owls and stuff.

And I've heard stuff like that, especially when I lived in the Pacific Northwest.

But this is in, you know, the tip of Tennessee in Virginia up there.

And I heard something hitting the ground and I shunned my headlamp down there.

And it was these round flat river rocks, not very big, maybe about the size of a silver dollar, but thick.

And then I realized they were coming out of the woods, they were hitting me, and I didn't even feel it, but I was hearing them hit the ground.

And I was not anywhere near a river where you could have got those rocks.

And I picked one of them up and it was hot to the touch like that.

And I thought, well, something doesn't want me in here.

So I changed my direction and went out there and didn't get hit by any more rocks.

But it could tell that they weren't intended to hurt me, but just to get my attention.

And I've thought about that in retrospect.

I don't think it was whatever it was of Sasquatch or Bigfoot, if you will.

Some kind of something out there.

I don't think it was malevolent toward me.

I think just the opposite. It was being benevolent.

I think there was a bear or a big cat or something back in there that I didn't want to run across in the dark.

Whatever this was, knew it.

And he'd been trying to get my attention.

And I thought, well, let's hit him with a few rocks and see if that'll lock some sense into him.

But again, round flat river rocks, and they were warm to the touch.

And just then they were, they weren't, they didn't follow an arc like somebody was lobbing them at me.

They were coming straight out of the woods, like they'd been launched.

So I couldn't explain it.

All the time I've ever had that happen, but that whole encounter was just mystifying.

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That makes me wonder about the hot and the cold that if we would be able to do time travel or a portal,

would our bodies and our atoms be able to withstand that change that we have to go through to go into that other dimension?

Food for thought.

It might be like putting yourself in a giant microwave or something,

agitate your atoms and you might just explode.

Yeah.

Yeah, it might just disperse your whole your whole body in the separate atoms, you know, because we're all kind of like in the old Willy

Walker movie where the kids like TV, they projected at others like words he had and he's like he's up there in a million pieces.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is, it makes you wonder if we can actually do something like that if our bodies could withstand, you know, this, this the temperature change alone.

Yeah.

I thought you would get going through that.

Yeah, the heat and who knows what else.

There's an old Stephen King short story about where they could do that where they could send people.

Oh, if it was back in time travel, if it was to different planet or something like that.

But in order to make it alive, they had to put them to sleep or kind of a state of suspended animation.

Well, there was one family that was going to visit this planet or whatever kind of an interplanetary vacation, I guess.

And the son, just a kid, he faked being put under because he wanted to see what it was like.

And when they got to the other side, he has his hair turned white and he had gone insane.

And he was talking about what all he saw in there and how it scared him and stuff.

And that's just, that's a chilling story, but you wonder, I mean, again, it's just fiction, but you wonder what would happen if we were able to to teleport or travel through time and space.

You know, from one place to another.

What would it do to us? I mean, you heard those stories about the Philadelphia experiment where when the ship came back, some of those sailors were embedded in the steel hull of the ship.

Right.

You know, you, we don't know what the high frequency that it takes or the energy to do all this stuff.

And I remember talking to you or previous about, you know, white patches of hair on people's heads, whether they've been touched or supernatural or, or they felt that high energy.

Yeah, that's the possibility that I've had that I call it my skunk stripe. It's all kind of going gray now, though it's gotten darker since I got married, moved to New England.

But I've wondered about that. My brother went gray in his 20s and my mom went gray on her 30s. But my brother, when he first started going gray, he had like almost look like a wing, a little patch right behind his ear.

And it went snow white and later spread, but it's odd the way things like that can happen. And you wonder if there are either environmental factors or something like you mentioned there, some sort of frequency or radiation or something we're exposed to.

And knowingly, they can do that.

Yeah, because if, and I don't know if there's ever been a study on it, but I've noticed myself that some people that have had experiences will start getting gray hairs or this patches of it.

And it's weird. I don't know if there's a connection or not. There's got to be something to it.

And I've heard that, you know, in the ghost stories and stuff where somebody would experience something so frightening that when they came out of the haunted house or whoever it was that their hair turned snow white from the shock.

I don't know if that's just a plot device or if that can really happen, I have to look into that now and see if I can find any data on it.

It's not not to get religious or anything, but just the think of the Moses or the Ten Commandments, you know, where who went up on a mountain and felt the presence of God, then his beard and hair all turned white.

There you go. That's a great example.

So many mysteries.

A lot of stuff. And I love it that there's people like you guys out there that are looking into these things and talking about these things.

This was, you know, stuff that I pondered. I've been a chronic insomniac most of my life, especially in early childhood.

And that was the kind of stuff that rattling around in my head at night when I couldn't sleep, you know, the what if or how this happened or what causes that or what is that.

And it's just it's amazing the things that you can just sit and ponder and there are no answers.

And so I asked Catherine where the road go. I was on with him one time and he described the paranormal as being like a giant jigsaw puzzle with 5,000 pieces maybe.

But you don't have the box to look at the picture to see what you're even trying to put together.

And then the more you delve into it, you realize that some Joker has mixed maybe five or six puzzles of the same size together.

And there's pieces that you find that don't fit anywhere with what you're working on with a puzzle that you think you're working on.

And I think that's a very apropos way to describe the paranormal.

We're always looking for that one little nugget, that little golden nugget every once in a while, I have an interview or something.

And that's what's so nice about me and Jane, you know, we're so connected and we'll sit there and we'll be watching the show and all of a sudden we'll just get off on a different subject and start talking about, you know, what if what if this fits or what if what about this.

I'm sure it's the same way with you and your wife that you guys are so connected that you can just talk about all these different subjects and start wondering, you know, what.

And we definitely have that connection, especially when it comes to the paranormal and the supernatural.

And in just other ways, sometimes I'll be sitting here and I'll get an image of something in my head and I'll say, you want pizza tonight, she's like I was just thinking that we do that.

Very often, I mean way too often for it to be coincidental or I'll think of something and then she'll say it just a beat later.

And it's it's amazing. I've never ever had that kind of connection with anyone and I absolutely love it.

It just we're tuned into the same frequency if you will.

Yeah, sounds like us.

And we're not experts. I don't think anyone is experts. We just have an open mind that you go down all these different rabbit holes and you go what if and what if that.

And you know, we don't know what we're recording and you know, we don't know exactly if these are orbs. I'm guessing what the video is and I'm catching in this field.

They've got to be orbs because they they aren't a bat or they're not dust and I know what bugs look like on the camera.

But we're not experts. So we're trying not to say it's exactly this or exactly that we're just sharing our experiences. People can believe us if they want that we just have an open mind on all of this.

Yeah, I agree. And I'm the same way. I don't like being called an expert on anything. And in fact, if somebody introduces somebody as a paranormal expert or supernatural expert, I kind of shy away from that.

I mean, how can you be an expert on something that can't be duplicated, measured, quantified, anything. I'm an investigator. I'm a researcher. I'm an experiencer.

I'm a legend stripper, but I'm not an expert. In fact, I've gotten more questions than when I started when I was four or five years old.

And I'm no longer looking for the answers. I'm just looking for the next set of questions. That's literally the thrill is in the chase because if we had all the answers.

This adventure that I've been on all my life wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun. If I knew what all these things were.

I agree. The more you investigate, the more questions you come up with.

It's just like when you were on our show previously, we were talking about phase and fairies and we had those little things coming out of the background behind us.

Everybody in chat started calling them move feathers because they kind of looked like a feather or maybe a fairy.

We had little orbs coming out of the pictures and glitching out and it's like, we have it on video, but we just cannot figure out what it is.

And I've seen that clip and I couldn't tell you, but there's something there and it does look like some sort of winged something rather it's it's capable of a flight or mobility in the air.

Anyway, and it's kind of leads into like the Cherokee and other Native American legends of the topa that you can talk about things and put enough thought and energy into it that you can draw them to you.

The Cherokee elders will admonish you not to even speak of certain shapeshifters and things because they can hear you and they'll come to you and that's not what you want necessarily.

And that's what was happening on our shows for several weeks once we talked about it or showed a little clip of one of the little move feathers.

It would happen again during that show. And then after about a month or so, it just kind of stopped and they are not appearing anymore.

Fascinating. Any wonder about that and there's a lot of paranormal stuff about feathers and things and I've had that happen. I've had a feather just seem to fall out of the sky.

I found feathers in the house before as a child, I used to see a feather around Christmas time.

It would float around in the room where we had the Christmas tree and it seemed just like just always out of my reach.

And I thought with the Christmas feather and about the time I was old enough that I could have actually climbed up on the furniture and caught it. I didn't see it anymore.

But I don't know what is something like that and I had Jared King from Jared King TV. He tells a lot of Southern Appalachian scary stories and stuff.

He was my guest last week and he talked about a story where a boy lived in a haunted house and he thought there was something in there trying to get him, but it was actually trying to protect him.

He would hear a voice say get up and run, but it was trying to protect him from something it wasn't threatening him and he later did some research and found out what had happened.

They're very tragic circumstances, but a young boy about his age have been killed there by a drunk and father and he went to the found the grave where the person was actually buried.

He laid his hand on the headstone and said thank you. And he said a pure white feather just floated down out of the sky and landed on his shoulder like it was patting him on the back.

I mean, there's just there's no rational explanation or something like that. I mean, how many coincidence would have to line up? I don't believe in coincidences anyway. I believe in synchronicities.

And if it's happened to a few, but when it's happened to many, there has to be something to it.

Yeah, I was a lot of this stuff. You know, if just one person had that experience, I'm not saying, okay, but there's a UFO incident here in New England. The Berkshires UFO incident and several people from totally different walks of life.

And we weren't acquainted with one another. They didn't know any other, didn't know one another. And they all had a very similar experience on the same night or around the same time.

So that to me, that lens credence that they did see your experience, something that they're, you couldn't get that many people together. I think to get them to agree on a story just to make up and be like the telephone game.

When you were kids, you know, started here at the time, it got to the kid on the end, the story changed, but these people's story never wavered.

And it was identical experiences just by different people in different locations in the same area on the same time.

And it's weird how it's always white feathers. I mean, there's stories of Sasquatch gifting white feathers. And I don't know what the white feather has in common with all these stories.

Well, I've heard it described as having to do with with angels.

Another story I'd heard about a guy whose grandfather has passed away and his grandfather had told him that if I can, I'll come back and visit you and I'll use a feather as a sign.

And he started seeing feathers having to fall out of the sky or he would find them in odd places in the house or in his car that had been closed and locked.

I think there's something to all that.

It reminds me of people finding pennies that they're saying that came from their loved ones that have passed on.

Yeah, I've had that happen.

Just on the floor in the house or even outside on the sidewalk, there'll be a coin laying there that I know wasn't there even a few minutes earlier.

And there haven't been anybody there, no visitors or anything where to come from. Is it an apport? I don't know, but I'm trying to lean in that direction.

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it wasn't very long ago, a month or so ago, I was walking from the living room or watching YouTube to the kitchen and it's like on our rug right between our chairs was a rock.

Wasn't a huge rock, but it was enough that I could tell that I stepped on something and I picked it up and it's like, okay, this isn't one of our rocks.

It didn't fall from somewhere. Where did this rock come from?

And I was finding just unique shaped rocks out in the field, but only behind our barn only behind our property.

There was no rocks in the field in the neighbor on the left or the neighbor on the right.

And I'd be in the rows almost every single day just goofing around making a maze.

And then the next day I'd come across and there's a rock just laying right there and I know it wasn't there before.

So I started collecting these rocks. I got a nice bucket filled with rocks that I kept finding out in the field behind the barn this summer.

And it's not like it's a field rock where it has mud and stuff and tread all over it.

I mean, this is a nice, shiny looking rock, this laying there.

Or there's shape that fit in my hand just perfectly like it was a tool.

It's amazing. And over in Finch's County, middle Tennessee, I've found some old hand tools like that that were used by the Native Americans.

And some of those you pick them up and you just kind of turn them around in your hand.

And you can find the way they fit whether they were using them to skin hides or as a mortar or something.

You know, when you're holding it the right way, it just I don't know if the rock speaks to you or if it's just the ergonomics because it's been used so much for so long.

But the things like that they will talk to you. They will speak to you.

Like you said, you just have to have an open mind and be willing to listen and you can learn a lot of things just by paying attention.

And some of these just fit perfectly and had little grooves that my fingers would just fit right into it.

And it did seem like it just spoke to me that it was used for a tool or something.

But this is a field that he doesn't till every single year. It's a no till field.

Well, I guess you can after a certain amount of years because he did till the field last year and kind of stirred up these rocks.

Once again, it was just on our behind on our property. Then we'd have heavy rain and, you know, just pretty much flood out, you know, the top area.

I'd go back out there and some of these rocks are laying right up on top, but there's no mud underneath.

It was like it was just kind of planted right there.

It wasn't embedded into the mud.

Amazing.

And yeah, there is just something about an ordinary rock. They've old history. They have energy.

They witnessed a lot.

Yeah. And I think certain types of rocks, especially anything with crystals in it.

That's towards that information. When I was a kid, there was a dry creek bread, creek bed that we used to go geodunning in.

And you cut one of those open or busted up with a hammer. It's just full of crystals.

I've also opened ones that had water in there. And you're thinking, how long has that water been in there inside the rock with these crystals?

And what would it do if you drink it or if you use it to water a plan or something that's, I never did try. He's a one, but I thought about it.

And it also goes to the aspect of Native Americans talking about the rock people.

I mean, they're supposedly races of beans or entities that are in rocks.

Yeah, there's a story like that. I can't remember the tribe. That'd be the Algonquins here in New England and around the Bennington Triangle area in Vermont.

They talk about that there's a creature out in the woods there that can disguise itself as a rock and swallow you up as you walk by or step on it.

And I think I don't know if it's a story or what it is, but where a person was out in the desert.

And there was a rock there, whether he was, you know, delusional from the heat and dehydration and stuff, but the rock was actually speaking to him and that's what kept them alive.

That's amazing. And it wouldn't surprise me. I think, again, we talked about particularly quartz and crystals and things like that.

And how they're able to transmit radio signals out what's to say that it couldn't transmit voice signals from beyond or from out in space or another dimension or something.

Again, something interesting to ponder.

Well, there's a biblical scripture that talks about the rocks cry out.

Yeah. And so what does that mean?

Yeah.

Even the rocks cry out. It's all connected somehow.

It's all about the elements.

You've got the lay lines and things in the UK where a lot of those ancient sites and standing stones and things are connected.

I think that's a global thing. I think if you looked at it from in space, you could see where you could, of course, it's always easy to connect the dots in reverse or after the event.

But I think it's all connected and everything on the planet is connected in one way or another and especially living things.

Yeah, even with mushrooms, we had a special guest. It was just in England from the cryptids of the corn podcast.

He was talking about not just the elementals and the trees, but how the mushrooms is a.

I know a network. Yeah, it's a network. It's conscious that here is you.

They pay attention, you know, they watch you. I mean, they're curious about us.

You know, it's not just a fungus popping up. They communicate with each other. They communicate with the trees and the roots.

And after that show, I had over 50 mushrooms pop up in my backyard and they weren't the same kind of mushroom that you would get like at the rain.

That's amazing.

I've seen those fairy rings or whatever they come where the mushrooms will grow in almost a perfect circle.

Yes.

Yeah, I've heard you're not supposed to step in that or or God forbid go to sleep in a very circle, but I've seen those mushrooms grow in a circle like that.

And I remember back in the 70s, that was a big thing.

People talked to their plants and they played music for their plants and things and my mom had an orchid.

She was raising that died and she blamed it on me and my sea monkeys. I've gotten one of those sea monkey kids.

I'd ordered out of the back of a comic book and hatched those brine shrimp, which those things are amazing. They're basically in a state of suspended animation.

Yeah, but I had a sea monkey said I neglected to feed them and change their water and sadly they perished.

And my mom claimed because I had it in the same room where her orchid was.

She claimed that the screams of the dying sea monkeys was what killed her orchid, but who knows.

I mean, it makes as much sense as playing music or talking to.

That that kind of study this itself is fascinating how plants will react to classical music or or good vibes and you know that they'll grow and flourish or if you play certain other kind of music going back to the tone.

And frequencies that we talked about earlier that they could actually make the plant.

Trouble up and die.

Yeah, and I believe that that is just the frequencies and the tones and there's a magic if you will in those that we don't fully understand completely.

And I think it's it's capable of a lot more and people like Tesla got it, you know, Nikola Tesla.

That they understood that that everything's connected and it's all one big network and neural network or whatever you want to call it, but it's as fascinating food for thought.

Yep, it's us all connected. We say this all the time, no matter no matter what field of research you go into, whether it's paranormal UFO cryptid.

The woo factor, it's all connected one way or another and usually boils down to vibrations and frequencies of what we find and out.

Amazing. Well, folks, we're almost out of time here. Again, I appreciate you joining me tonight on everything out there.

Before we go though, tell us again, where we can find you on YouTube and what all you've got going on over there.

Right. Well, we have our YouTube channel is Midwest Night Watchers and it's the same on Facebook and across all the social platforms. We try to keep it easy for everybody and keep it all the same name and you can get a hold of us at Midwest Night Watchers at gmail.com if you have any questions or inputs or stories you want to tell us and subjects that we can look into.

And every Sunday night at 6 p.m. Central, the show that you've been on Steve, we have guests from all over from all different fields and aspects, whether it's paranormal UFO cryptid.

Discary stories, if we recover it all on that show.

And then Wednesday.

That's piercing the veil. Right.

We've seen the veil as a show and it's on Midwest Night Watchers on our YouTube channel. That's where we have all our guests and special features and then Wednesday night that we talked about.

Late in the night or early in the morning, Thursday, if you want to go there because we usually go two or three hours and that's the night out lounge on the Midwest Night Watchers.

I love it. And Jane, tell us something about your channel again.

And my channel is Chiro Sounds.

And that's where you can see just a variety of instruments, the singing bowls, Native American flutes drums.

My favorite instrument of all of them is the hand pan, which originally came from the Caribbean steel drum, but they put two shells together and put the notes on top so you can hit it with your hand.

And it's been only around for like 22 years. It's a brand new instrument.

And that's one of my favorite sounds too. And you have one video over there. It was you were playing that and had the crickets serenading you that just works together.

Yes, yeah, I loved playing out in the backyard and I'll take the singing bowls out in the backyard. And I have the cicadas going really quiet and low when I hit the low notes and then I'd hit the high notes and then they would just go high and and buzz really high and really loud.

I just have the birds hummingbirds, even dragonflies.

Dragonflies are attracted to what I'm doing in the backyard. I had rabbits.

I've had so many rabbits. I got my little Irish tin flute out and did a little song and they just kind of hopped around and just enjoyed it.

So music affects not just us. It affects insects, birds, animals, just everything.

I think it's not only a universal language, but the language of the universe, tones, music, not just people that it affects, but every living thing and maybe some inanimate objects too like rocks and things like that. And who knows maybe those rocks are even alive as much as they can be.

Right. I agree.

But again, thanks you guys for being here. I'll put links to your channels in the show notes. I appreciate it. Thank you for spending the time with me here and y'all have a good evening. Thanks again.

Thank you so much for having us. We enjoyed it. Yes, thank you, Steve.

I'm Steve Stockton. I'll see you a little further on down the trail. Tell your animals. I said hi. Good night, everybody.

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