Unlearning Diet Trickery - Episode 2771

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It's a Friday call-in show.

That's exactly what it is.

I was talking to someone earlier today,

a guy that lives right here in town.

One Mr. Dave Dullack, Dave the kayaker,

as he's known on the internet.

I went and met Dave for a coffee.

He goes, hey, man, I was driving up to,

I don't know where the hell he was going,

but he was driving up to Eastern Seaboard not long ago.

And he said, I caught a bunch of these shows,

and it seems like you're doing something different on Friday.

I was like, what do you mean?

Like, at first, I was like, oh, he's getting ready.

He goes, no, I really love what you've done on Friday.

I'm like, what?

And he goes, where you have people calling in.

And I said to him, I said, you know, Dave,

we used to do like an abbreviated version of that on Saturdays,

where people can call and ask me questions

where we used to do five shows a week, way back in the day.

And when I decided to cut it down to three shows per week,

that's one of the shows that hit the cutting block.

It hit the chopping block.

And people kept asking me, why can't we do call-ins anymore?

And I said, you know what?

Let me start doing it on Fridays.

And it's more popular now than it's ever been

because it's the people who come on to this show

that have the questions that you might have,

or they've gone through what you might be going through.

And I get to help them with something

that they may not understand yet.

So it's a win-win.

It's a win-win for the podcast,

meaning it keeps the show popular

and people keep finding it.

It's a win-win for the audience

because the audience is going, oh, wait, those are my questions.

And it's a win-win for the people on the show.

So there is no downside to it.

As a matter of fact, if I had to cut down to one show a week,

I would get rid of that animal chino in a second.

She could take her and her sauce and hit the road.

Right now, take your books, get out of here.

Everything, I would never do that to Anna.

She's like a sister.

And if I did that, my mother would disown me.

But you understand, as much, this is the one show.

As a matter of fact, let's say I had to go down

on one show a week, I would keep the Monday show with Anna.

I would can, Chris on Wednesday,

and then I would bring the call-ins into the Monday show.

That's the way I would do it.

Don't worry, I'm not doing any of that.

We're keeping it at three shows.

Folks, he's here every week,

whether we want him to be or not.

And he brings the goods.

Please help me welcome one, Mr. Chris Chaffer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How's it going, Chris?

Well, I mean, I just got fired on air,

but other than that.

Not yet.

To do it.

I got potentially future fired on it.

That's better.

You need to watch two letters from the alphabet.

You need to watch your peas and your cues.

I still don't know what that means.

Whether that's it, Chris,

while I'm talking to Shelley here in a minute,

I need you to look up what does peas and cues mean.

See, when you're wondering, folks,

why I'm up until two o'clock in the morning,

this is the kind of shit

when everyone else is looking at Instagram and TikTok

and the Twitter,

.no pornography, whatever you want to call it.

Okay.

I'm looking at, hmm, I want to do a peas and cues game from.

That's what I do.

So there, there are four theories, Vinnie.

No, there's theories.

All right.

Okay, but Fagoras, let's see what you got.

I said theory, not theorem.

The most common interpretation is it's a prompt way

to remember, please and thank you.

I don't know how you get Q out of thank you

unless that's a weird old English thing

like everything in English.

The second theory is that it comes from print shops

because peas and cues are mirror images

and very easy to mix up.

The third theory is that it was keeping tracks

of pints and courts in English pubs.

And the last one is that it's an abbreviation

from naval history where they had to watch their p-coats

and cues, which was apparently

how they referred to their haircut.

None of those make any sense to me.

No, the one that makes the most sense is the pints and quarts.

Mind, your peas and cues, right?

Pay attention to your pints and quarts

or whatever.

Yeah, I'll take that one as the one I like.

Okay, I just made an executive decision.

I'm gonna make another decision here, Chris.

She's been sitting here for a minute

so we're gonna bring her on Shelley.

That's welcome Shelley to the show.

How are you doing, pumpkin?

Good, how are you?

I'm not complaining, not yet.

Yeah, you'll call them Virginia.

You know what, I went upstairs just now for a minute

ran into my beautiful wife.

And I said, honey, is it just me

or does today feel like the cold is there?

And by the way, it's not like it, you know,

I went out, as I mentioned,

I went to have coffee with a buddy.

And my car said 27, but it felt like it was in the teens.

It felt colder than the days when it was in the teens.

And it might be because the wind is whipping out there.

So when you got 27 and whipping winds,

but then, you know, my fireplace went out

while I was out having said coffee down here.

You know, I keep a fireplace going in my office

at all times.

I'm kinda like the Waltsons, right?

I use wood to keep my area warm down here.

Well, that died down for about,

I was going for about two hours.

I had to go run some errands

and it's Saturday when we're recording this folks.

I have to go to a hardware store and what have you.

Can you tell I have my hardware kind of clothes on right now?

Flat shirt.

I had this as cat diesel.

I've been doing stuff all day.

And not just taking a coffee break.

Well, it was going for like three hours from my office.

I came back and it was like,

I could have hung meat in here was so cold.

And of course, when you heat up a fireplace again,

it doesn't warm up like with central heat in two seconds.

Yeah.

So I know when you asked me that question,

you wanted me to go,

I had a weather was nice, but no, I had to tell you.

Now, I asked it because I don't know if you remember this,

but I'm sure you don't.

But 13 years ago, I lived in Richmond for 15 years.

I did not remember that.

No, I remember talking to you before,

but I did not remember that you lived in Richmond.

But go on.

And we also had a wood burning fireplace.

And I loved it.

I prefer it.

And I never turned on me because now I'm back in Florida.

I've turned it on once in 13 years.

He just, it's never that cold here.

He just throws some more clothes on after the Virginia, you know?

Braggart.

Well, we have three fireplaces in the house.

And we burn two of them all the time.

And we burn the third one when it's really cold,

because you don't want,

you know, because you don't want to draw the heat out of one room

into a cold space.

And our guy knows, like the first year

we moved into this house, you know, we

ordered, you know, we found this guy.

When he brings a cord of wood over, it's like a cord and a half.

I'm, you know, more than a cord and a quarter.

It's a lot of wood.

And then we called him about a month later and says,

hey, can you bring more, you know, another,

he brings him about a dump truck load and just dumps him

and I'll stack it.

And he goes, what happened to all that wood?

You loan out something, give it to your neighbors.

I went, no, we went through it.

You went really?

Oh, yeah.

And I said, we keep at least two fireplaces going all the time,

morning until night.

And he goes, wow.

So we do three and a half, four cords of wood.

And it, that's like five for anyone else.

Every winter is cheaper to do that

than to run.

I'm kind of a tight wad.

I grew up, you know, pretty much broke.

And I don't believe in just running.

Now we run the AC, when I said AC,

we run the heat on top of that.

I couldn't imagine what it would cost to heat this house.

Yeah.

I couldn't, you know, I don't know if I make that kind of money.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

I'm talking about too.

Yeah, it's good.

That's a good one.

I don't know what's been money on stuff.

I don't want to spend money on, you know, it seems frivolous.

It doesn't seem frivolous, Shelley.

It is frivolous.

You know, I don't mind, you know, I'm a big believer

that you buy cheap, you buy twice.

So you always buy the quality thing, right?

I jokingly always say, if you see anyone driving anything

other than a Honda or a Toyota, they made a mistake.

Right?

Honda.

Toyota.

We have, actually, we have two Toyota's in a Subaru.

And you go, oh, Mr. Rich guy, no, one of the Toyota's,

our newest car is 5, almost six years old.

Our oldest car is 15 years old.

He is like, we just don't sell him.

Right?

And we still drive him off.

You know, we use him off.

And when I see anyone driving anything else,

I was like, oh, you, you're capable of making mistakes.

Right?

Now folks, I get it.

You want your BMWs, you want your Porsche's,

this kind of thing.

I get it.

You want your truck.

And Toyota makes a full-size truck.

And I get it if you need a, you know, like a one-ton pickup

or whatever, Toyota doesn't make that.

But that's the thing.

You'll see people driving these big shiny, you know,

ram 2500s with a diesel engine.

And they never put anything in the bag.

They're not pulling anything.

I'm doing anything.

Again, bad decision.

People make bad decision, Shelley.

I know.

Not me and you.

I know.

All right.

Yeah.

Hey, I bought a Jasper.

You did.

What do you think?

Give me your honest opinion.

I love it.

I love it.

I have a small place, 1100 square feet.

And I'm kind of outside of the box, thinker.

So I am.

And I love plants.

So I bought one of those plastic things with wheels on it

and put my Jasper on it and move it from room to room.

That's a great idea.

As a matter of fact, that's such a good idea.

I'm going to mention that to Mike.

I got it on Jasper and say, hey, dude, you guys

should make a Jasper like a either put it,

well, it would be a lot to put it on the thing

because of the way the thing slips off and the whole thing.

Yeah.

But they should make a coaster for the Jasper.

Yeah.

You just came up with a great idea.

I know.

And I did it myself.

Yeah.

Cut it out to do Xacto knife because they're plastic.

Yeah.

On Amazon.

And then I, because I was kept picking it up.

And it's not that heavy.

It's just awkward to carry around.

But then I thought, why don't I just get a plant wheels

for a plant like I do outside?

And so I did a nap and moving it around from room to room.

And it rarely falls off.

I just kind of have to hold onto it.

But I can bring it in each room.

They can make it to work on the bottom of the thing.

I never move mine.

I just keep it right here in my office.

It takes care.

As you know, it's a funny thing.

You don't know what you don't have until you don't have it.

Right.

And we put a Florida do you live in, Charlie?

It's central coast.

It's near St. Petersburg across the bridge from Tampa.

Underway you are.

So I certain times of the year, you guys have more allergy

stuff in the air, more pollen in the air.

Yeah, there's all there's always mold spores down there

because it's damp.

Yeah, and the real reason I bought it is because I just moved

back in to my house that got hit by the hurricane 15 months

ago, 16 months ago.

So it had to be completely gutted and rebuilt.

And I thought with all that new material in here, I don't want

all those VO season, all the other things that I don't even

know about.

Yeah, with all the new.

Right.

Listen, it's a great thing to have.

I feel like we just did a 10 minute jasper ad.

But I'm glad that you're I'm shocked at how many of those

things we've sold turns out I'm now the biggest jasper salesman.

Like I just thought, Hey, my audience might want to pick up a few

of these and they gave me this incredible discount.

And then they finally called you probably heard the podcast.

They called and said, Hey, we we can't keep you in the 400.

It's a boss leader.

And I even said to him, I said, look, there might be a couple

of stragglers that wanted to get it.

Can you give me a better discount than what you guys doing on

the site?

They said, how does 300 sound?

You know, we need to make something of these things.

I was like, well, I said, I said to him, I said, Micah, I don't

think I'm going to sell any.

But if there's a couple of stragglers out there that wanted it,

but they couldn't, you know, maybe they spent too much money.

Christmas and the whole thing.

They were just waiting a minute.

It let's help those guys out.

Turns out we're now selling more at $300.

And by the way, we started selling these things during black

Friday.

We're now outpacing that at a smaller discount.

That's how much people are loving these.

And I think Chris can tell Chris jump in here if you can.

I don't know if you know this certainly or not.

I think a lot of the people that bought one or two at the $400

discount, they're coming back in and buying a couple more.

So we see a lot of that repeat business.

I've never seen anything like this in my life.

That's great.

Yeah, people who are listening to this podcast are buying so many

that they had to put an almost out of stock warning on their website.

Yeah.

And it's going to be from the time of recording this.

It's going to be about six weeks till they get the new inventory.

So if you're looking for one and you've been on the fence about it,

you should probably go grab it.

Yeah, because I don't know if they're going to keep this discount going

after this period.

And we're halfway through this period.

So let's just call this the Jasper ad folks Jasper.co.slazventy.

JSPR.co.slazventy there.

We just didn't add.

So you guys go get it.

You'll save 300 bucks.

It's I'm trying to remember life before the Jasper.

And it's kind of weird, right?

Yeah.

So Shelley, I'm sure you didn't call to talk to us about someone

else's product, but there you have it.

No, no, I love it.

But I mean, I also buy Villa Capali.

And I just I not only did I move back in my hurricane home,

but I also retired at the same time, almost exactly.

So now guess what I'm going to do?

I'm going to go to Italy.

I'm going to go and stay at the villa.

You know what?

You're getting ready to do something that I've never done.

Anna loves it there.

Anna's family is from Pooja.

So when she goes there, she feels a kinship.

You know, she actually has family there and everything.

And she stays at the villa.

So you know what, Shelley, once you do that,

you need to come back on the show and tell us

what it was like.

Yeah, I will.

Yeah, I love it.

I can't wait.

Well, I had a friend that was waiting to travel with me.

And she said, you want to go to Italy.

And I said, well, I also want to go to Italy.

But then I started thinking and started

looking at actually, you know, the whole situation

where we could go.

And it's just all overwhelming if you've never been.

And then I said, I asked my friend, did she

want to go there and she looked at it?

And they do all kinds of tours from there.

In fact, they take care of everything.

We're doing an inclusive trip.

And it's like $3,000, which is cheaper

than the trip I was looking at to go to Mexico

with my yoga group.

You cannot do, well, maybe you can,

because you live in Florida.

You can't do $3,000 to Disney World.

Oh, yeah, I know, I know.

I know.

I mean, that's just the churro budget.

That's like a dull whip, a churro, and a drink.

Yeah.

It's funny that you know exactly everything

they sell Chris over at Disney.

That's funny.

Where did you say a churro, a whip, and a why?

So the two things that they are famous for food wise

are their churros, which are apparently really good,

and the dull whip.

What's a dull whip?

I don't even know what that is.

It's dull pineapple.

I think it started outside of the teakie room.

But it's like a soft serve ice cream, dairy-free soft serve

ice cream, basically just blended pineapple, as far as I know.

So it's a pineapple shake.

No, it's soft serve.

But I'll tell you something, I'll let you stop.

OK, all right, well, I'll never have one.

So that sounds actually pretty damn good to me.

We'll put some dull whip on top of your Peña Colada

when you finally get that.

Yeah, I still haven't had that.

I promise folks, look, next year when I go,

because I'm going back to Barbados,

I've figured out that that's my happy place.

And I'm going to have one next year.

Even though I gave up alcohol, I will have that one beverage.

I will at least taste it while I'm there.

You know what?

I'm not doing alcohol either.

I'm just turned 67 in September.

And I feel so tired a couple of days after I drink.

And I don't drink a lot, like a glass of wine

or maybe two margaritas at the most.

Two drinks total anytime I drink.

But even if I drink and don't drink for months,

or I don't know, it just doesn't do well for me anymore.

It's not worth it.

I feel tired.

I feel really tired for a few days.

It takes my body a lot longer to recoup from it.

Shelly, when did you birth day?

September 14.

You're close to Serena.

She's the 21st.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Chris, yours is the what?

16.

Yeah, you're right next to Chris.

Yeah.

We know that our parents were up to going into the holidays.

Nothing to do in Pennsylvania in January, that's all I can say.

Well, the 14 that you mean nothing to do in December, Chris,

through the math.

I like to pretend I was a Christmas or New Year's baby.

OK.

Knock yourself out.

You know, as you know, I'm not a T-toler,

but I would try to pretend to have a drink every week.

And then I wouldn't even do that.

And then my neighbor right behind me, Rob,

he came over one day with a tumbler of something.

I was like, yeah, so I can be like a guy here and have a drink.

So I tried to have a drink once a week in a week.

And I just, my body just lack of anything.

I was just starting rejecting it.

Just bottom line, just let's say, and you go, what do you mean?

It's like, I would take a sip, the first sip.

And like my brain, I would just get a headache

or just a feeling of headache coming on.

By the end of the drink, I would feel nauseous.

And it is not a stiff drink, right?

Most people would say, oh, would it have three or four?

No.

Halfway through one drink, just sipping it slowly, I would go,

I feel disoriented, my body doesn't want this.

I think it really started happening more

after my last round of chemo.

Because, look, chemo, drugs change you every single time.

And going through chemo or something,

or maybe the last time I went through my cancer thing again,

ever since then, and then, you know, my rule,

the Christmas got Thomas rule.

I was there for Christmas, and boy, they had some good wine.

But I mean, just the first sip, it was like any other alcohol.

It was like, I didn't even, I told myself,

like one night, I said, come New Year's Day,

I'm not going to have another sip.

And then the next day at lunch,

they poured something really nice

from the part of a region of,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I took a sip, and I said to my sister,

my other sister, my next year, I said,

would you like to rest of this?

Because don't pour one, just take this one.

And that was that.

I haven't had a drink since, I don't know,

the 24th of December, no more headaches.

Yeah.

No more nothing.

It's just, I feel brand new now.

Yeah.

You know, so congratulations.

I mean, and I don't know if I'm going to ever go back to it.

I might have to try the peanut collada thing.

See what happens.

But that's it.

Just to say you did it, just to say you did

the peanut collada in Barbados.

Well, I think yapping a bite on the show for so long.

Right?

At some point I got to taste it.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'm sure I won't finish it because it looks disgusting.

Hey, I know that I'm only scratching the surface

because I've, you know, have been listening to you

for three years now.

I'm an original Robi.

But I have a friend that,

I was explained to her what I'd gone through on my fitness journey.

And she goes, would you help me with mine?

Because she's kind of like where I was 10 years ago.

And I said, sure.

So I am baby counseling her.

No, you know, just as a friend, like more of a like an encouraging.

And the first thing I did was I gave her some of your podcasts to listen to.

I go, here's your homework.

We haven't met yet.

Here's your homework.

So she started and she's doing really well.

So darn, and she's eating no sugar, no grains.

But of course, she's stumbling, you know, like we all do.

And I said, well, you know, just forgive yourself and move on

and get right back on out.

That's the big thing.

So we're meeting every couple of weeks.

I told you I should work for you.

Yeah, listen, I love that you guys are all there doing this.

You know, hell, I wish we could Chris.

Can we pay her?

Can we send her like a dollar a month or something?

Tell her.

Hey, don't laugh.

I saw a commercial out there.

If I spend a dollar a month, some kid in some foreign country can eat for a year.

At least those ads that you don't, you don't need to pay me.

It's 13 cents a day.

And yeah, what are they eating in SNG?

That's the question.

I think they're giving them gruel or something new, a new Wednesday show episode.

How to eat an SNG for a dollar a day.

Yeah.

Yeah, I saw where one guy, you know, Chris, we should probably get him on a show this guy.

Chef gruel.

Do you know who this guy is?

Chef Andrew, yeah.

OK, yeah.

So he like someone was saying something about, hey, there's saying we should eat more meat.

There's no way I can and there's, you know, and RFK said you have $15 a day.

There's no effing way.

And then I saw this guy, gruel, and he said, oh, yeah, here's a meal, eating meat and

eating all the good stuff.

And the first one he brought him for like under $14 a day, something like that.

And it included desserts in there, like ice cream and stuff, right?

Now I'm telling my audience, that's probably not the thing you want to eat if you're trying

to lose a couple of pounds.

And then people were, OK, yeah, you figured out one meal.

I'm supposed to eat that one meal because, you know, these are the things that pop up

on my screen.

You know, anything to do with diet will show up on my screen.

So the next day, or a couple of days later, I guess, this gruel guy, Andrew, he says,

here's another, here's a completely different from the first thing, including meat and

this and that holding and dessert.

He's now done.

I want to say I've probably seen 10 or 12 of them, Chris, can you go look them up and see

this guy a little credit?

I don't know much about him.

I know he's a chef out there and I see a stuff from time to time.

But he started going, yeah, yeah, you could feed people on $15 a day, right?

Which I thought was a very interesting thing.

And he's a big time chef.

So well, Chris, while I'm talking to Shelley, before we bring Nora on, I'd like to see

what gruel is up to and we'll talk about that in a minute.

Does that work?

Yeah.

What do you want me to find from him?

I saw him on Twitter.

So he did a bunch of recipes like someone was going, you can't eat the way they want

us to eat now on me, just too expensive.

And this Andrew grew figured out a bunch of different recipes, right?

And someone, one of the comments I saw was one of his recipes was $15 and two cents and

he goes, aha, so you can't do it for 15.

It's like, shut them.

Just shut that f up.

Really?

Two cents?

That's where you draw the line.

Jesus Christ.

All right.

So Chris, look up some of the recipes he pulled together while I'm talking to Shelley.

And on bothers, we're having fun, me and Shelley.

So the girl that I'm, you know, coaching, I say coaching, I told her, I said, it helps

me too.

It helps.

We're holding each other accountable.

And what's really ironic is we're meeting, the first time we met, we met at Mazaros,

which is all, like God, that's crazy bakery in there and a wine store and all this stuff

as a way to can't eat anything here, but we just stopped and had a coffee, you know?

And it's going really well.

And then today, I do, you know, I told you this before, you probably don't remember,

but I do hot yoga three times a week consistently.

And it's a hard ass workout.

I mean, it's really good, you know, like 10 chaturongas in a row.

I mean, they don't, you know, and some, some are a little easier.

The one guy is really hard.

I like to take him once a week.

And she just expressed to me today before we got on the podcast as a matter of fact that

she wants to try my yoga.

I mean, that's just going to help her so tremendously in so many ways, you know?

The most important thing you said there as Shelley is, you know, it's almost like A, A,

when you help someone else, you're literally helping yourself even more.

Yes, you know, people say to me all the time, you know, it's like, well,

it's easy for you to stay in shape.

You've been doing it your whole life.

I was like, you don't think this gets boring after a while?

I'll be the first to admit it gets boring, but because I talk to people every day,

and I get excited about what they're doing, it, it keeps me motivated to do what I do.

Yes.

Right.

So that's, that's key.

You know, you're actually helping you more than you're helping her.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

No, I love hearing that.

And then of course, I'm always doing my NSNG trying my very best and she's brand new at it.

So trying to give her the tips, you know, and the nuts and what nuts to eat and what not to eat.

And all the stuff that I've learned in the last three years, and I read all the time,

in fact, I did that quit sugar summit that Anna was on a couple of weeks ago.

They sent me an email for it.

I figured, because I was affiliated with you, that they got my email, it was good.

They were at like 60 different, um, illuminaries basically on it, speaking,

and I listened to them over and over and over again several times, but Anna was on it.

It was really cool to see her and hear her story on another, you know, a platform.

Yeah, yeah, um, I, I know she's done that a couple of times.

And, um, I'm glad that they're still out, all they're doing that.

Um, they just had one recently, right?

Yes, a couple weeks ago.

And they also have a program and I thought about you when, you know, they're very good with sending out emails.

They're like over communicators, which is good for them, but they, they actually want you to buy all that information for like a hundred bucks.

And then you can access it any time you want.

But in addition to that, they have counselors that you can get certified to, to be a no sugar counselor.

But it's, they, they openly say it's thousands of dollars.

You know what, I, I'm going to be honest with you.

Um, I'm not a fan of, of all that.

They're scamming, you know, it's like, you know, a lot of people do that.

They're trying to figure out, and I told that to Anna.

I'm just going to be honest with you.

Anna doesn't have any affiliation to it.

Other than she goes on to try to help people at the summit, because the summit's free, right?

Or do they charge you guys for that?

Yeah, that, yeah, it's like the freemium thing.

Come in for free.

Oh, wait, you, you actually want to learn something, pay us thousands of bucks.

And we're going to give you someone, oh, they're not an expert.

They're just someone who, um, we just deemed a coach.

And a lot of people are doing that.

I'm not going to name names, but I consider a name name for the next hour.

But you know what, you know what, then he about that is my first thing was, well, I could do that.

But here's the problem.

People don't know that they need to quit sugar.

Yeah, you know, they don't realize that pasta sugar.

They don't even know that much.

So you're not, if I put in that moniker behind your name, I'm a no sugar expert or whatever.

Nobody's going to want to come and get your counseling.

It's better just to say, oh, I'll help you out for free.

Let's go walk together or let's talk about no sugar, no grains.

And I like that approach better, you know, because it gives, it hasn't, you, when you say quite sugar, they think you won't, you know,

they're thinking that you're going to want to be perfect about it and you're in reality.

And so I like your approach so much better.

And who has thousands and thousands, but like I said, even if you have that,

that title, I don't, I don't think people would even come to you because they don't know, they don't know what they don't know.

Yeah, look, a long time ago, and a lot of times over the years, and Chris can chime in and tell you the, the same thing.

The number of people that have come to us and said, okay, with your audience, if you just stop this, this freemium, we call it freemium,

it's a free premium thing where we give it all away for free.

Yeah, you know, I'm happy with people buy a jasper or buy Villa Capelli or whatever, because I'm able to pay the people that work in the background here.

Leona, that'd be Chris, everybody at works here gets a check and a, so that's all good.

Right, but who do you realize you could be a millionaire, 20 times over with your audience, if only 10% of those people, Chris, how many times does that come up?

Please back me up on this, so it doesn't sound like I'm making this shit up.

Two or three times a month, if not more.

Yeah, and that's just, that's just the random emails I have access to.

That's not your, like, the main inbox for the podcast.

And all of us the same thing.

Well, and I'll go because, hey, I'm interested in making an extra million a month.

That's what they're talking about.

By the way, a million a month, I'm fine.

Okay, I'll make a million a month.

That sounds good to me 12 million a year.

By the time I die, I'll be rich and thirst and how the third, right?

I sit there and do that math, right?

And then I'll go, okay, how does this work?

Well, you would get all of these people to now become your disciples.

And they're going to do your bidding for you.

And then they're going to get people to say, oh, so you want me to do a pyramid scheme?

When I was in college, they used to call it airplane.

Remember, remember airplane, Shelley?

I think you're a few years younger than me, but remember airplane?

No, I'm older than you.

Yeah, you're older than me.

Yeah, 67.

You don't look at Jesus Christ.

You're winning by the way, that's the only reason I come on the show.

You're winning.

So no, there was a game in college, they called it airplane.

It's like, okay, the people who creates the game,

they become the captain and the co-captain to let people know how it works.

And then back then, we used to call them stewardesses.

So then you bring in a bunch of stewards and stewardesses behind you.

So in order to get into the game, the captain and co-captain, they don't put anything in.

Well, the captain puts nothing in, but the co-captain gives the captain

50 bucks, right?

But now the co-captain goes out and gets two people under him known as stewards of stewardesses.

Let's call them flight attendants.

Okay, you guys want to be in the game?

Yeah.

Okay, kick me up 50 bucks.

So X amount goes to the co-captain and then the captain gets the rest.

Hey, you guys, you want to, you want to be in the game?

Yeah, go get two more people and let's call the four people.

Let's call them first class how much 50 bucks?

Now you got all that money kicking up and it goes up to the captain.

And then at a certain point, then you have first class, then you have second class.

And then the people in the back and now you have the whole plane filled, right?

And the captain keeps getting kicked up money, right?

A lot of money.

And when you start doing the math, 50 bucks becomes thousands of dollars really fast.

So the captain gets out.

But what happens is now the co-captain moves up to captain, right?

Once you have X number of people filling up the plane.

Now he's the captain and the two people that work down here, they get, they keep moving up, right?

But what happens is everybody runs out of friends pretty quickly.

Right now everyone, you know, they've put all this money in to be in the game.

And all they have to do is go find X number of people and they got to find X number of people.

That's a pyramid scheme.

Would you think I would still be here?

I'd probably started doing this in 2011.

It's 2026.

You think I would be here if this was a pyramid scheme?

No.

I could have walked away with money.

But hell, we're seeing people right now that walked away with a lot of money.

And now they're having trouble out there, Peter, to you.

You know, you see what's going on, right?

Or you can stay here and help people and go, you know what, to hell with money.

You know, let's just do this.

That's what we're trying to do here, Shelley.

I love it.

We're not trying to quit sugar on the summit.

We're not trying to do it.

If people just go to Amazon and buy stuff and put my name in, thank you.

You know, you know, people want to buy Vinny Trotteries.com slash workout.

Thank you.

We could keep it rolling.

We don't have to become millionaires here.

We can become 1000aires and we're happy.

That's right.

Right.

I grew up poor.

I'm not going to die rich.

Yeah.

Flying with me.

Yep.

Same here.

But we will go to Italy.

That's for Daniel.

Yes.

Michelle, thank you for being here today.

It's always a pleasure.

You're, your smile puts a smile on my face.

Even though it never looks like I'm smiling inside, deep inside.

I'm smiling, folks.

There you go, Michelle.

Thanks for coming on.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

There she goes, folks.

I'm going to bring Nora, but did you find any of chef grills, foods?

I found a bunch of places where he talked about it, but it looks like, at least with the random

Twitter search that I've done in the last few minutes, he's only posted two or three.

But he's done two or three.

I saw more than I must have been on Instagram or somewhere.

I saw it somewhere.

He talked about it on the Corolla show as well.

I haven't heard that show in a while.

I love that.

Adam's a good friend of mine.

And I'm folks, great.

Charlotte, listen to it every day, but I, you know, I'm running a company.

How many companies do I run, Chris?

Four or four?

I run four.

I'm a, I'm what you would call a mockity mock.

Four kind of Jesus Christ.

I should be rich.

Why am I not rich, Chris?

What the hell folks, without any further ado, Chris, let me bring, let me bring in Nora, Nora.

How you doing?

You're okay.

Good.

Hang on, Chris, Chris has, Chris, do you have at least one of his recipes?

One of his daily what you can eat.

Let me see if I can find it again, the, the biggest one was on his sub stack.

Here it is.

And he has a couple of things, you know, like stop buying jarred to make a sauce.

Unless it's from eat happy.

Yeah.

I think it was a.

So his, his big thing, Vinnie is under $5 of serving, right?

So $15 a day.

So chicken sausage with braised chicken thighs.

Beginner soup, five dollar and under chili bacon braised turkey and tangy winter cabbage.

And then he just, he just put an article up on his sub stack this morning called the Super Bowl.

Shouldn't cost a car payment.

And it's all about how to make your Super Bowl food for just a couple bucks.

Yeah, well, you know what I'm doing.

I'm doing an end of a chino chicken wings and serena's also made a chili for me.

So yeah.

And by the way, folks, we're talking about this because it's Saturday,

Super Bowl's tomorrow and this show is coming out probably in three weeks.

But Chris, thanks, thanks for pulling it up.

I would love to keep chatting with you, but this Nora is in the house.

How are you doing, Nora?

Good.

How are you, Vinnie?

I couldn't be better if I try.

I really couldn't.

Oh, that's good.

That's good.

Um, dare I say this.

Um, I've been listening to you and Chris for a long time on audio.

So if I can say you look better than your voice is sound.

So I don't know if that's a compliment or not, but I'm very surprised.

I'm actually seeing you on video.

I, uh, I joined the VIP group earlier last month.

Um, so I'm adjusting to.

No sugar, no grain.

And I saw the opportunity to join this morning and thought I would.

Um, love to talk to you because I'm going through this.

I'm 10 days, 100% on NSNG.

Nice.

And I had a lot of questions.

Um, it's not my first nutrition program or even fitness program.

Um, but I tend to get lazy.

And, um, I know I shared on my, my post that, um, let's say about four years ago,

I think right before my 50th birthday, I, um, had a friend connect me to coaching,

right?

So she was a coach and I did a different program and had success.

Um, got to a goal weight far lower than I expected.

Um, but since in maintaining, I've gained 40 pounds and that's what scares me.

It's the, um, I know I can lose the weight, um, but I want to be able to maintain.

Um, so doing NSNG, I, I'm, you know, a little concerned if I'm eating enough,

not eating enough will this work, right?

So, um, I've been considering scheduling a, uh, consultation with you,

but this opportunity is wonderful.

So, yeah, this is a hell of a lot cheaper than a consult.

Agree.

Okay.

All right.

So a lot of things there.

Um, yeah, you know, no one comes in here on a wedding streak, right?

That's, that's number one.

You know, no one comes, hey, I'm in perfect shape.

Let me see what you, what you're offering and you said you were 50, a few years ago,

said you said, I was four years ago.

So I'm doing the math, carried one.

You're 54 now again, just like Shelley, who says she was 67 and she looks younger than me.

You look like a baby to me.

I can't believe that you're 54.

NFL football players look like babies to me now.

I was like, when you get to a certain age, everyone looks young.

Um, so good on you for that.

But usually by the time people find me in their life, they've been dieting.

It's sometimes I, I tear up.

I don't look like the type of guy that would tear up a lot, but I do.

When people said, I started my first diet when I was six, you know, you hear that kind of thing.

Or my mom was this tyrannical person who had me dieting.

By the time I was 12, she told me no guy would ever like me.

You know, I was like, what happens to women with parents and everything else?

It's, it's crazy.

But women go through a lot of diets in their lives.

And they start every diet with a lot of hope.

And then they end up in a lot of despair.

Right.

So I get where you are, right?

Usually, did you, I'm not going to even ask you which diet it was, unless you want to tell me.

But the one where you lost all the weight.

Um, did you lose the weight fast?

Um, sort of.

I lost over 70 pounds.

It took the first probably 50 came off pretty quickly, probably within six months or so.

Um, got to my goal weight probably took about 14 months because it was a lot of kind of, uh,

that game plane, right?

There was kind of a strict and it was food purchase.

That sort of thing diet trickery and you know, right?

So, you know, it's that sort of thing.

Mm-hmm.

Um, I don't want to give the name because I know it's changed a lot of people's lives, right?

Um, no, look, I mean, I know which one you're talking, but you gave it away to me and I won't

put it out there, but, um, you know, they, it's a white knuckleing program.

I call that a white knuckle program.

Um, how tall are you?

No, her, if you know what I mean, I'm okay.

So yeah, losing seven, you know, losing at first, 60 pounds in six months, almost 10 pounds

a month, that's a lot.

And you can do that in a white knuckle program.

You can't because basically it's starvation,

right?

You're starving yourself and then hey, you can save up all of your numbers and everything

you want and have yourself a Snickers bar at night, right?

You start with the diet trickery and everything else.

And you did what most people do.

You white knuckled it for 14 months.

And it sounds like you got down to a goal weight.

Yep.

And then once you got there, the very next day, you started going in the other direction.

Yeah, they had a plan for maintaining, but it is that total energy expenditure.

And so it was figure out your number, download an app, whatever you want, figure

eat in this calorie range.

Um, and personally, it caused me a lot of anxiety.

I mean, you know, and it's, um, I shouldn't say anxiety.

It's just it's a lot of work, you know, to try to track what you eat and write it down.

And geez, the numbers are horrible.

So listening to you for many years, um, via podcasts, um, NSG and what you say I really like.

Um, it's shaking those fears, right?

Of, um, I, I think my first couple of days I was trying to decide how many eggs I could eat

for breakfast on your on NSG is two.

Okay, could I do three, um, calculating 80 calories, eight grams of protein, um,

coming up with a number and, um, pushing that aside, um, those thoughts still creep in my head.

Um, so recently as I continue, I feel good.

Um, I haven't lost any weight yet.

Um, um, in these last 10 days, I've stayed the same.

But I don't feel bloated.

I don't feel achy, right?

Um, because I think I'm, I think this is a better way of eating.

Um, I'm just, um, how do I, and I, and I think like two o'clock in the afternoon,

I think, am I hungry?

Do I need to eat more?

Do I not need to eat more?

Um, how would you suggest?

Okay.

So that there's a mouthful here.

Oh, thank you.

I agree.

I, so, you know, I don't believe in counting calories.

I don't believe in even talking about calories because calories.

And here what I'm saying here, audience and Nora, here what I'm saying, calories don't matter.

Yeah.

But they do.

When you're doing a white knuckle program, basically you're starving yourself.

You're, you're, you're doing a calorie and calorie out proposition.

And that's a, that's an incredibly fast way to lose weight.

Unfortunately, it doesn't teach you what to do once that stops, right?

You only know what to do while you're doing the program.

And then they, they kind of leave you hanging.

They used it.

That program used to leave you hanging all together.

And then you were gaining the weight back and they were going,

hey, sign up again, pass again.

You can lose the weight again.

By the way, I don't know if you know this, but that company knows that

their success rate is a plus or minus 2% off of zero,

meaning that almost no one succeeds, almost no one ever.

Right.

And is diet, trickery, people, you know, your whole life is around diet.

You shouldn't be thinking about diet.

There's so many things in a world to enjoy and to think about.

And you should be enjoying your food and not thinking, oh my god,

should I have a third egg?

Is that third egg going to get you know, what am I doing?

When you think about the absurdity of it, right?

It's, it's a little crazy, right?

So I'm going to get back to why calories,

because I don't want people to count calories anymore.

I don't want you to have to eat a piece of protein, the size of your fist.

And I don't want you to, you know, worry about this and that.

You know, a minute on the lips and a lifetime on the hips.

All this bullshit stuff that you've been hearing your whole life.

None of it matters, right?

And I like for people to understand non-scale victories, right?

So if you looked at your blood work the day before you started this 10, 10 days ago,

and if you were eating a lot of sugar, a lot of grains, a lot of pasta breads,

what have you, your triglycerides might have been.

Do you know what your triglycerides were on your last blood test?

No, I haven't had, I haven't had any blood test done for a year.

Okay, so if you look at those numbers,

I'm going to make up numbers for you, right?

Let's say you triglycerides were between 150 and 200, right?

They'll tell you, oh, 120 and 130, that's normal.

That's bullshit, right?

Because triglycerides should ride somewhere between 40 and 60 tops.

And you can get a trigly, I've had people with triglycerides of 400 and 500,

come down to 150 within a few weeks and then go down below 100, a few weeks after that,

right? And triglycerides, the way of triglycerides created, it's a fat lipid that comes when your

body turns a carbohydrate into a long chain triglyceride and stores it as a fat because we can't store

carbohydrates, right? We can turn it into blood sugar, it can be on your blood,

it can be on your liver, it can be on your muscles, but that fills up pretty fast.

Now you have all of this extra stuff, your body magically turns it into a long chain triglyceride

stores it as a fat. And by the way, those are the worst fats to have because those are the ones

that can cause heart disease, those are the ones that cause all cause mortality to go up, right?

But no one talks about those because they can't come up with a drug for a triglyceride.

See, the only way to lure your triglycerides is to not eat what causes high triglycerides,

right? So since they don't have a drug for that, they're not going to tell you about it,

but why they'll tell you about a statin because they came up with a drug for that, right?

As a matter of fact, statins don't really do much except lure your LDL so they turn that into

the bad cholesterol, right? But in fact, you need all cholesterol to let, but they don't tell you

that part because their amazing drug doesn't lure all of them. It might lure ACL a little bit,

but it mostly works on LDL. So, hey, we're going to call that one a bad one, you know, that's the bad

one, right? But it's not, right? So you have to look at Madison Nonskill victory,

luring that, luring your blood sugar, right? Luring your blood sugar where, you know,

you want to get it in the high 80s or the 90s, and that can take a lot longer because your body

has to get used to that, right? So by cutting out all sugar and all grains, you'll notice that

instead of waking up in the morning with a blood sugar of 120 or 125 or 150, I've seen it all over

the place. You'll notice that the fluctuation gets closer and closer and it goes down a little

bit, a little more and a little more. And before you know it, you might have a dawn effect in the

morning and you might be at 105 or 110, but you'll notice that if you checked again at noon time

or something, you could be somewhere around 85 or 90 or you could get a CGM machine or device,

put in your arm and Bluetooth it and look at it on one of these things. I'm holding up a cell phone

for everyone else. So those are non-scale victories. Another non-scale victory is

you didn't gain weight, right? You didn't lose any weight, but you didn't gain weight. Exactly.

Okay, the next thing is remember I said calories don't matter. At first, I tell everyone,

when you first get into the sea, everybody wants to see that quick weight loss because the

magazine's told you so. Remember back in the days when magazines existed. Hey, Nora, you can

lose 10 pounds in 10 days. Get a beach body by the weekend. Abs of steel, right? Three weeks to

perfect abs for the beach, right? Bones of steel, you can have your ass look like someone cut a

bowling ball in half and stuck it to your backside in no time, right? Yeah. Okay, they've

convinced us that you could get fit in a week. If that was true, everyone would just be fit.

But in fact, no one is, right? So the non-scale victories come first.

Okay. I tell people who are struggling to overeat the right things at first.

Okay. Eat all of the saturated fat you want, eat all of the steak you want, take in coconut oil,

eat butter, eat eggs, eat chicken, fish, what have you? I don't want you to feel like you're

on a tight wire without a net, right? Like, you know, let's say you were up, but you don't know

how to type wire walk. Do you? Have you ever been on a tight wire? But let's say, let's say you

were up on a tight wire and you're balancing along, but there's a net underneath, right? So you

could be, you could be a little nonchalant, right? If I fall, I'm going to fall into this net,

it might even be kind of fun, right? I'm going to fly. You know, they say, you know,

falling feels like flying until you hit the ground. You ever hear that? So I think so. Yeah.

You're in a tight wire. It doesn't really matter, right? Because you got a net.

So you don't care, but when they pull that net away and you're out there holding that bar,

going, oh, shit, my next step can mean life or death, right? I don't want you to lose the net

at first. You understand? I want you to eat. I want you to eat fats. I want you to eat proteins.

See, we can live on fat and proteins. We don't need carbohydrates. You do need fat. You do need

protein. You do not need carbohydrates. That's a fact. Yeah. Okay. And I've been successful with that,

at least these last 10 days. And it's been going good. I mean, I, I listen, I've been listening to you

for so long. And I hear you say yourself that to start sugars, anything, you just have to stay

away from it. Yeah. So I'm able to be successful with that. And as long as I don't take that first

taste, I'm okay. Yeah. You know, so that's helpful. And you mentioned blood sugars. Are you,

are you, are you really stating that 80 to 90 should be just kind of a constant throughout the day?

No, no, no, no, no, I'm glad you brought that up because people have written to

anything. Vinnie, I have a CGM on my arm, right? I go, okay, you have a CGM. Yeah.

And they'll say I ate a steak last night and my blood, my blood sugar went up to 110 or 120.

Yeah. That's what happens. Even when you eat protein or whatever, your blood sugar is supposed to

go up. It, it'll go up slowly and it'll come down and you body, you know, whenever we eat anything,

we have to cover it, right? Your blood sugar is supposed to go up to some degree. Usually with a

steak, it doesn't go to 120. I go to 110, 105, or whatever it could be. Fish would have you.

But when you eat a sugar, let's say you ate like a Snickers bar.

Mm-hmm. Now you're going to get a glucose spike and it'll spike up to like 150, 160, 170, 180 depending

on how messed up you are, how your body handles sugars, right? It's going to go really high.

And now your body has to release a ton of insulin to knock that back down. And what it does with

sugar since it's spiked so fast, your body goes, your brain goes holy shit. What's going on here?

Let's release all of this insulin. So it releases so much insulin really fast. It pushes it

below where it should be. Now you have a sugar low, right? Now you need to eat something with sugar

and adjust to get it back up again. It, it's, yeah, it's the worst trick, you know, and the whole time

you're doing that, you have highs and lows, you feel hungry, you know, I don't feel hungry,

you're biting for these and growing and leptin and all these hormones. You see, we don't get fat

from anything other than hormones, right? So that's what happens with simple sugar. Now the

dieticians, they will tell you a Nora, the simple carbs, Vinnie's correct. You shouldn't have sugar,

shouldn't have table. That's a simple car, but now let me tell you about these complex carbs.

Number one, they're complex. So that must mean that they're good for you because they have a bit

of complexity to them, right? Yeah. When you eat, they'll even tell you these release slowly from

your stomach, not like a simple sugar, and your blood sugar goes up naturally and your body gets

energy from it. And okay, all true, all true. And if you were a triathlete and you happen to

be swimming and riding a bike and running all day long, you can probably handle that. Matter of

fact, you've seen these people, they eat crap all day long and they thin as a rail. Some of them

can't even keep up with it. But what happens to Nora and Vinnie and everyone else?

When you eat a complex carb, you get, you don't get a glycogen, you don't get a glucose spike,

you get what's called a glycogen load. Okay. So now your blood sugar goes up just like it did with

the simple sugar, except instead of it going down really fast from you pummeling it with insulin,

it stays up and it can stay up for hours. And guess what your body has to keep doing? It has to

keep releasing insulin. And remember, we talked a few minutes ago about, you know, once your body

is full of sugar, it's got all the sugar it can use, it's got to now do something with that sugar.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Remember that? Yes. That insulin, that insulin turns it into that long chain

triglyceride. That's why you, and by the way, that triglyceride is circling around in your blood

because we can't even get it into a fat cell quick enough. It's just sitting in your blood,

trying to go, we don't know what to do. And guess what you're doing a couple hours later?

You're having yourself more bread, more pasta, more corn, more, whatever. And we can't figure out

how America got fat. Yeah. That's how we got fat, Nora. Yeah. Yep. Right. Understand. Yeah.

So all you have to do is stay away from those foods and you went, now you'll go,

wait a minute, Vinnie says, calorie doesn't matter. Now I'm going to change my tune. This is when

you could call me a forked tongue devil. Now at first, you're just trying to get your body and

your brain and everything on the same level by eating high fat, high protein. Yeah.

But you can't do anything with impunity. And this is the part I hear people all the time

on the internet going, just eat fat and protein and you'll be fine. No, no, no. There is something

is too much. Did you know, Nora, that if you drink enough water in one sitting, you can die?

Yes. Yeah. I have heard that hypernutriemia, hyper, not hypo, hypernutriemia will kill you.

Right. That matter of how fit you are, whatever, your wash out your electrolytes, you're just,

you just don't exist. So if you can't drink water with impunity, the thing you need more than

anything else of in your body, your body's made up of 75 to 80% water, something like that. Chris

figured out how much water we have in our body. It's a high number. Yet if you have too much of

that, you will kill the one thing that needs all of that water. Your body, you will kill your brain.

You will cease to exist. What a dumb way to go. Yeah. If you're eating too much of a good thing,

now your body can't burn all of those calories, right? And your body will start to store it. Now

you'll notice that you could get a, you could get away with a lot more fat calories than you could

sugar calories, right? Because it'll hang around before your body will store it. And the other

cool thing, remember I mentioned hormones making a stat. Yes. Okay. When we release a lot of insulin

to fix a sugar problem, we also start releasing ghrelin and leptin. Ghrelin is the hormone that

is supposed to make you feel hungry, right? And leptin is the hormone that's supposed to make you feel

full, right? And I could get into other hormones, but I'm not because why? I don't need to brag.

You already told me I was good looking. So I'm good. And I'm not really that good looking. It's

just that my voice sucks so bad that I look better than my voice. I get it. I get it wasn't a real

compliment. But this is where I'm stuck with. At anyway, the problem is is when you get too much

ghrelin and too much leptin being released all the time, we become immune to it, right? We get

used to it. The example I like to give is, let's see here. Hang on. I'm trying to find

it. So Christian sent me a 50% water on average of these people have less water or less likely to

probably hydrate because of that doesn't still work. Okay, so your body's made up 50% to 60% water.

Now ghrelin and leptin is where we were, right? You drink, you ever drink alcohol?

Um, not anymore. Okay, but you did it at one time, right? I did, I did many years ago. Yes.

Okay, did you drink a lot or just a little bit? Oh god, a lot too much. Okay, so people who drink a lot.

Let's say you and I went out and had a few beers, right? It would probably take you five or six

beers to feel the same way I felt on one beer because I didn't build up a tolerance to beer. I don't

drink a lot of alcohol back in it. In other words, like you haven't, you said, you don't drink much

anymore at all. If you go out and have one drink now, it'll feel like you used to feel on four or five

drinks, right? You become immune to it. Your body becomes resistant to it, right? And when your

body starts releasing ghrelin and leptin all the time, we become resistant to it, right? So you

feel hungry all the time and you feel like you can never get full, right? And we've learned

that you have great discipline because you are able to white knock on it for 13 months and

under eat and get to a desired weight. Yep. Now I want you to lose weight by never feeling hungry,

never feeling left out. And that's what happens when you cut out all carbs. Now you can still have

vegetables, you know, you know, broccoli, some cauliflower, it's kind of thing. I was still

away from fruit, except for olives and avocados and the occasional tomato in the summer. I know

everyone else is going to tell you, oh, leptins, leptins are going to kill you. Tell every Italian that's

living longer than anyone else over in Sardinia, right? So don't worry about all the BS. When you come

here, I'm going to tell you the truth. Yeah. Any questions at this point?

No, I mean, no, I agree with what you've said. And I've heard both sides, right?

And it's frustrating because I was type 2 diabetic at one time. I was on insulin with every one of

my pregnancies. And I don't ever want to go back. So that's why I'm, you know, I'm seeking this

out. I don't ever want to go back to when I, in 2022, I was type 2 diabetic. And that's when,

you know, I had about 10 years of being recommended statins and being recommended. I think very early

on about 15 years ago, I was offered GLP ones and not knowing what it was and not even being explained

to what it was. And I turned it down. But wait, hang on. What were your A1Cs when you were type 2

diabetic? I've been taking metformin since I was 30. I wasn't diagnosed type 2 diabetic. Tell

I was 40. And my on metformin, it would be anywhere between 7 and 8. But that was on metformin.

With I got off of metformin when I started losing weight within about three months.

Yeah, so your A1Cs came into check, right? Yeah, 5.2 is healthy. All right. So, you know,

you know, you're going to tell you what the funny thing is, you mentioned that they also had you

on a statin. Now, I was on for a very long, short period of time. I have an off of it because I didn't

like it. Yeah, everyone does. So here's the crazy thing. Metformin will artificially lower your A1Cs,

artificially. That's it. It's not real. And people, you know, doctors, I've asked doctors this

point blank and they'll go, well, then, you know, people don't want to hear that they have to give

up their beloved ice cream and donuts and everything else. So we just put them on metformin. It's like,

okay, so you're putting a bandaid on a broken leg. Number one. And number two,

you know, they had you on a statin, which does nothing for your A1Cs. It just artificially

lowers LDLs, period. You know, there's no, I mean, there's more studies showing that they do more

harm than good. But you know, that's neither here nor there. And by the way, I talked to someone

the other day on a consult and I can't give, I don't give medical advice. And he goes, I have

three stents in my heart and I want to go off of my statin. I went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

statins are made for you. Once you have hardware in your heart, that's why they invented that

drug. See, you've already cast in your chips. They're just trying to keep you alive, right?

You're not there. You don't have hardware in your heart. Do you?

No, they gave you a drug. Why didn't they, you should have said, hey, Doc, why don't you fix

me up with a calf with a cast on my left leg and go, well, your leg's not broken. It's like,

my heart ain't broken either. But you're giving me something from my heart. Why don't you just put

a cast on both my arms and my break them next year? Yeah. And makes no sense. Yeah. Yeah, it was

cholesterol related. But you're right. They, if as soon as I was, you know, they say you have

type 2 diabetes, they, they offer a statin because they save the risks. So I have turned out a lot

of drugs in many years. Good. So, you know, I, yeah, I want to be healthy. I want to be healthy without

eights. So without any tools, right? Or whatever. They're not tools. They're pharmaceuticals.

But yeah, so I mean, I appreciate everything you've said. You know, really my next question is

starting to work out, but that might be another call. My, I have a very supportive husband,

however, well, however, he's not, he's, he's, he may go along with NSNG, but he's not going to do

100%. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You know, I always tell you know, couples ask me all the time.

Well, half of a couple will ask me on the console. They'll go, hey, um, how do I get my wife on this?

I don't get my husband. Now, when husbands ask me, I'll say, do not mention anything to your wife

because anything you say to a wife, she'll go where do you think I'm fat? You know, say,

don't mention it to your wife. If you want to stay in a relationship, that's number one.

Yeah. But when the women ask me, what about my husband and say, who does the cooking?

And I go, well, I do. It's like, just start cooking the way you're going to cook. Yeah,

but he still eats Oreos and this is like, fuck it. You start losing weight. He's going to worry

that you're going to stop sleeping with the pool boy. Trust me. He'll come around. He'll figure it out.

Yeah. All right. Do you have a pool, Nora?

No, I don't. I don't. You have a good cue here. Anything that my mom is looking for the UPS guy or somebody.

Hey, what can Brawl do for you?

Yes. Um, but he's, he and I are trying to spend, you know, starting even 20 minutes a day,

just doing some sort of exercise routine. Um, he's, we've done, I've done a couple of the

first beginner videos where it's just a few exercises. Um, and so that's kind of my next thing is

get indicators there. I am honestly, I've done a lot of vigorous workouts before. You know, 90 day

challenges this and that and have had results. But I also get lazy or I just get

not interested. Nora, do you belong? Wait, do you belong to my VIP group?

I do now. Yeah. I joined in January because that people, more people stay on track.

Come in and talk to us every two weeks on a VIP group and just say, Hey, look, come up on stage

and talk to us and I grew up and go, I'm still with my workout. Those, those, I know this sounds

stupid and dumb and every, those little things that's what staying honest, staying honest is what

helps people more than anything else. So would you promise me you'll do that?

Yeah, I will. I've joined a couple of times and I stay on for a little while.

We're going to keep you on this time. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got Dave waiting in the wing. So I got to

do a quick add and we, I think Dave's just got an update for us. So, uh, but stick around so you

can hear Dave's update. I think we'll see what's going on with him. But Nora, thanks for being on.

Thanks.

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VIN and IE know wentby. Why Villa Capelli? Uh, we're going to get a quick update here from

Dave. Uh, let me see if I can pull Dave off. There he is. Dave, how's it going now?

Her Dave can hear me, but not you. Really? Uh, Dave, do you have just one headphone in?

No, both. Can you hear me?

I can, I can hear Dave. I can hear Dave. Dave, can you hear me?

Chris, um, can't hear Mr. Vinnie at all.

No, no, no. Pop out and pop back in. Maybe we'll fix it. Yeah. We'll do that. Chris,

tell him we'll pop out and pop back in. If not, we'll bring him in next week.

We'll pop out and pop back in. All right. Yeah, we're going to try that. Yeah, we'll try that.

Interesting people today, Chris. Uh, Shelley, you know, she's been in VIP group. Now we've got Nora

and the VIP group. Um, Nora is, is everybody. She's every American. I mean, the story she tells,

we hear over and over and over again, right? Yeah. I mean, it's literally the standard American

diet story and calories in calories out of that happy stuff. Doing, doing all the diets,

white knuckleing it. And then, you know, all that work and all that effort and time and ending

up right where she was before. Let's try Dave again. Dave, can you hear me? Yeah. How's it going?

All right. All right. We've got back in the middle. We didn't just miss a little pump.

We're fairly around for a few more days. Yeah.

How are you feeling? I'm obviously my first day of hers. And I'm running up my line.

Because I'm eating almost entirely through the feeding tube. Yeah. It's too painful to eat.

And I can't get enough food. I dropped on a 152. And I was around 165. So I started doing the

feeding tube. And now I'm back up to close to 160. So how are you blood numbers, Dave? You

know, you're doing good with everything? Yeah. Red and white cell counts are a little low,

but that's to be expected with the chemo. Yeah. What about neutrophils? What about your neutrophils?

Those are good. It feels normal. Good. So you're good. That's the biggest problem I've always had

on chemo is the neutrophils go to crap. And you know, when I'm sorry to take that back,

they're slightly below normal, but they're still the close. Yeah, but slightly below normal is fine.

When they when they take a crap and you have none, that's when they start worrying. But how are

you feeling overall, man? Energy is good. I mean, I'm a little tired from time to time.

I mean, other than my throat, there's really no pain, no nausea. So okay,

I'd love to start eating by now. So again, I take, you know, I take a few bites here and there,

but I can't sustain myself through mouth feeding right now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. So it just all

goes into the port. Is that it? Yeah, pretty much. And that's what this is going to do. Yeah.

Actually, I wanted to talk to you about this. Okay. Because I got some recommendations from people

for this particular brand. Right. I use it once a day. This is basically my quick lunch.

I'm not thrilled with the ingredients. I mean, they're very good. They're better than a lot of the

other stupid meal days. But this thing has monk fruit. And what else?

Something else. It does have ribbon real salt to give for them.

Some flour less than. I don't know if that's a bit or bad thing.

No, some flour less than a fine. It's just a fat lipid. Let me ask you, is it just

a protein or is it protein in other foods? What is it? It's protein, a way protein,

concentrate, grass, fat, collagen, egg whites, healthy fats blend, which is coconut oil powder,

olive oil powder, MCT powder, flaxseed powder,

cocoa butter, fats, and grass, vegan. Okay. So it's a first source. It's not just a protein.

It's a food is fat and protein. Right. It's just water calories. Yeah.

Now to that, I'm also adding a whole avocado. A little bit of coconut water. Some regular water,

you know, you want to kind of get it. Yeah. Watery,

has a couple blueberries, half a cup of high-fat yogurt. Yeah. And how are you getting them in

through the port? Through the port. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I tell us, you know, folks,

where I'm talking to Dave here about Dave, Dave's going through chemo. He's obviously he's got

cancer because no one who's healthy goes through chemo. And radiation. And radiation. And

you know, you wait a minute. There's a lot of things in there that you wouldn't agree with.

Like Dave doesn't need the vanilla flavor that they put in a cell vanilla written on the front.

Yeah. Yeah. He used it as a flavor. Right. So, but he's eating a food because as you just heard,

he's, he's wasting. He's, you know, he's losing weight. So Dave, anything you could get in,

get in. You know, I'll tell that. Go on. Let me show you. Let me show you something I ripped

up for dinner. And it's, it's working out great. Oh, cool. It's this, it's, it's really

not very attractive, right? Oh, no, it kind of looks like a soup on me sometimes.

Yeah. It contains a pound of ground beef that has beef heart and beef liver mixed in.

Good. It has a jar of anapotinus pink crema. Good. And I think eight ounces of beef broth,

if I remember correctly. So yeah. Well, I can tell you, it's already been a result.

Anna's pink crema has been known to cure cancer. So that's good. Yeah. This is my dinner.

Yeah. No, dude, you're, you're doing it. You're doing what you got to do. I'm happy for you.

So, um, would you please check in again next time we do another call and show?

A little bit. Yeah. And how much longer you got to carry that strap around with you with

the, with the medicine in it comes off Tuesday. Good. And is that, is that on the portal? Is that

on the pick line? Um, I have a, I have a porch. Okay. So it's just a porch. So you use the

port for everything. Yeah. Once they put the port in, they usually pull the pick line out. Um,

so cool. Dave, more power to you, brother. More power to you and keep up the great work.

Thanks. There you go, folks. That's very check it in. I see guys.

Yes, sir. I think that's what we call a show. Uh, some, a song came up in my head a couple of times

and it just came up again in my head when I was talking to, um, Dave right there. So I'm

going to play it here at the end of the show. Folks, you know what to do?

Rover shopping in Amazon. Before you go to Amazon, go to vinytotaries.com, click through the

banner, put the little coal on the fire. I guess my train down the track and I'm able to keep

the show free for a gazillion years in the row. Uh, I want to thank everyone who was here today.

That would be Shelley, Nora and Dave. And of course, we always want to thank Mr. Chris

Shaffer for being here. So on behalf of those folks, we kept saying I do what I do. And it

reminded me of a song from nine and a half weeks. John Taylor, I do what I do.

I do what I do.

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