Unpacking America with Rob Sand

On this episode, Lawrence Lessig speaks with Rob Sand, who has served as Iowa's State Auditor since 2019. The two discuss Sand's history of investigating white collar crime, the feeling of loss in small town America, and polarization. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.