Unpacking the Truth: FBI Subpoenas and Biblical Prophecy

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This is Jonah Ellis in the morning.

Good morning. It is Friday, March 6th, and with everything going on in Iran with some of the primaries in Texas.

There's been a lot of news that we've had to cover this week.

One of the stories that really deserves a fair amount of attention that we're going to cover this morning is what's going on with the FBI and the subpoenas of private citizens records as part of the federal probe into Ukraine.

The federal probe into President Trump in the aftermath of 2020, so after he left office and before he was reelected.

Fox News had reported back on February 25th and it was new at the time.

The FBI subpoenaed Kash Patel and Susie Wiles phone records in 2022 and 2023 when both were private citizens as part of a federal probe into President Trump.

And Patel called the move outrageous and deeply alarming.

And my friend, Will Chamberlain who is an attorney and who also is Senior Counsel at the Article 3 project posted this on social media.

And this is what I want to focus on this morning. Everyone's buried the lead here.

It's not just that the FBI subpoenaed Kash and Susie's phone records.

The FBI surreptitiously recorded a phone call between Wiles and her lawyer.

Even worse, the lawyer knew the FBI recorded the conversation and didn't tell Wiles.

This is coming from the same article that says from Fox's reporting that says in 2023 the FBI recorded a phone call between Wiles and her attorney.

According to two FBI officials, Wiles attorney was aware the call was being recorded and consented to it.

But Susie Wiles was not.

And so then the lawyer went back to Fox News and denied approving the FBI recording saying he would lose his license over that kind of stunt.

Well, yeah, thank.

But this raises some serious questions about attorney client privilege, about what Biden's FBI and DOJ were actually doing in terms of targeting Trump and his associates.

I've been targeted and I'm really frustrated with how much of my private information was obtained by the Biden administration without my consent, as well as formerly a lawyer who was at the time representing the sitting president of the United States.

I mean, these types of things just really shouldn't happen in America, especially where we have a constitutional protections for private citizens, especially,

but even more heightened protections for professionals like attorneys.

So what's going on? Well, Will Chamberlain joins us now and will I think you're right that everybody buried the lead.

I'm not really sure that I believe Wiles is lawyer here, but you know, what do you make of all of this?

I don't know. I mean, I actually kind of do believe Wiles is lawyer oddly enough.

Like he said the thing was like, if I did that, I would be lose my license and I deserve to lose my license.

And it's sort of like out of the lawyer. Yeah, I couldn't even conceive of it.

And I had the only circumstance where I get you know, you could theoretically get inside the mind of a lawyer who do something like that is if that lawyer is criminally liable themselves and needs to sort of figure out a way to make a deal with the government and plead out, but outside of a circumstance like that.

I imagine it and given that, you know, we don't even know who the we don't have the identity of this lawyer.

I'm tempted to think it taken at their ward and it also, you know, if the FBI was being squarely enough to certitiously record a phone call,

they're also probably being squarely enough to lie about the lawyer knowing about it.

Maybe for some reason in terms of like that would have given them some in legally to record the phone call if the lawyer had consented.

But in any event, the news that the lawyer denies it almost opens up more of a scandal here because if the FBI, you know, first off, obviously it should be unlawful and I'm pretty sure it is for the FBI to be recording this phone call between an attorney and their client when there's no reason to assume that the crime fraud exception to attorney client privilege would apply.

Like what crime is Suzy Wiles committing using her attorney in relation to President Trump's potential alleged disclosure of classified information?

It's inconceivable. So that should be unlawful first because federal authorities and federal law enforcement are under under obligation to minimize the extent to which they are accessing privilege information.

And here they weren't just not minimizing their access to it. They were actively seeking it out.

And then second, if the FBI is lying about it, so which of these FBI agents said that the lawyer consented?

They need to be brought in for investigation because then if they lied about this sort of thing, I mean, we're talking more in the realm of criminal activity here, like abuse of power abuse of process.

I can't, you know, I haven't deeply studied what criminal statutes might apply, but, you know, as a lawyer, I'm sure for you feel the same way when you hear about FBI agent lies in order to obtain a warrant to access privilege.

Information just alarm bells go off in your head in terms of like, I don't know which criminal statute applies here, but probably one does.

Yeah, well, I mean, and this is the whole, you know, this is shades of all of the FISA warrants, right, where it's like, well, there's probably something going on. And so, you know, you better let us surveil because what happens if there is criminal activity and we don't uncover it.

And it's it rather than actually the burden having to be on the government to prove that standard before they can go in and actually surveil American citizens, but, you know, you raise a really good point, Will Chamberlain, the crime fraud exception.

Because, you know, this is, you know, for those who are listening who maybe haven't heard of this before, it's a legal rule that basically is an exception to attorney client privilege where the client is seeking legal advice, basically to further ongoing criminal activity or use the lawyer.

In course of that criminal activity, like you can think of it, the example would be like a mob lawyer saying, okay, conduct your business in my presence so that we have privilege will know the lawyer can't just be a shield to criminal activity, right.

But, you know, so, so what the left, though, has been trying to do and with their targeting of Trump's lawyers, including me, I mean, this was the whole basis of their case that they basically said, you are part and personal to criminal activity.

You are an active participant in criminal activity simply by virtue of representing Donald Trump. I mean, that's, that's basically their argument for why they can go after Trump's lawyers.

And I would guess that similarly, this is their argument in saying, well, it doesn't matter that while this lawyer is, is present, you know, whether or not he actually consented, let's, let's say that we believe him for this hypothetical him or her.

We don't know the identity, but that, you know, it doesn't matter that it's a lawyer present because in their view, not only does Trump and his associates not, they think that he shouldn't have the benefit of legal representation at all.

And they've come after so many of us for disbarment simply for representing Donald Trump. But they really think that just by virtue of that representation, somehow you're participating in criminal activity.

I mean, that's utterly nonsense.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right. You know, there's no way the crime fraud exception makes sense here. It's just, I can't imagine a set of facts where it would, because I think, you know, Suzy Wiles was not involved in 2020 at all. That's the other thing to understand.

She wasn't even, I think she was working for the Santa at that point, maybe, but she certainly wasn't working for Trump until after Trump was out of office.

And so then there's nothing will, the only thing that, you know, the only charged conduct that was post 2020 was, or post post January 6th, rather, was the classified information issue, then the classified information indictment.

Well, how the crime fraud exception could apply to classified information disclosure is just mind boggling to me, like what is the argument that Suzy Wiles herself disclosed classified to her lawyer or something, you know, she wouldn't have had that classified information to begin with because it's like, what?

None of it. And this is all after I would assume after these indictments dropped or during the process. I don't know. I mean, it's pretty clear that what's going on here is that Jack Smith abuse is powered dramatically.

And the FBI was a willing accomplice in all this. And that there needs to be a thorough investigation. I'm sure Castell is undertaking a thorough investigation because he was also a target of these subpoenas.

I hope he is. And I hope that there are, there are some measure of accountability, not only for what happened, but then legislation that is actually enacted to prevent this kind of thing from happening.

Because, you know, not only were, were these lawyers targeted, but, you know, they're in order to obtain what, what, what would have otherwise been privileged information and being able to use it.

I mean, that, that was the whole point of trying to target attorneys was because they couldn't access certain information without having lawyers be part of this kind of crime fraud exception.

And so that was, you know, really their entire argument on the whole time. And that undermines not only the profession of attorneys, but it also undermines the confidence that a client should have when they're being represented.

I mean, the whole point of privilege is so that you can have honesty between a client and their lawyer, not obviously to, you know, cover up crime.

But when that's not going on, and it's just that the people in power are, are trying to find this exception and wield it to their advantage just because the person they're targeting is their political opponent.

That makes a mockery of the system and the protections that even do process protections that are constitution specifically, textually embeds so that the government can't abuse these types of things.

And this is such an important story that, you know, either way, like you mentioned, Will Chamberlain, you know, either way, whatever the truth is about Wiles's lawyer, either side of that, there's some serious accountability that really deserves to happen.

And I just don't know if there's enough time because Democrats, you know, love to run out the clock.

If there's enough time for, you know, Kashpatel and, you know, maybe Pambani at the DOJ or, you know, maybe some kind of, you know, congressional oversight hearing, but it seems like a lot of this because, okay, Trump won in 2024.

Now, it's almost like everything that happened in those interim four years where Biden was president, Trump almost seems to have forgotten that.

And it's like the base has sort of forgotten that and everybody's sort of content to just move on and say, well, we won and that makes everything okay again.

I disagree.

Yeah, no, this is something that definitely can't be forgotten about.

And I might actually provide the best into going after Jackson, if legally, like the, you know, the breach of privilege here is dramatic.

I mean, there's also the other big problem, which is the, what is the other big problem?

Oh, the other big problem is obviously the fact that he subpoenaed a bunch of senators and got their information despite statutes saying that that had to be revealed to them.

And it was never was, you know, he's got a lot of problems.

I think, you know, that this is where there really doesn't need to be accountability guys, intentionally invading privileged conversations, making a mockery of our system.

All in the pursuit of president, Trump, he needs to be held accountable.

Yeah, and, you know, so you're with, you are with the Article 3 project.

And, you know, you guys have, you know, you and Mike Davis as well, you know, have been ardent advocates for this type of accountability.

Where do you think this needs to go next?

I mean, I think you start with, you know, simultaneously a congressional investigation, which is already ongoing.

There have been hearings on judges and hearings on our cross. They just need to keep those up, get more testimony.

And then also, I think there's, there's enough here for at the idea to do first.

They're an internal investigation to figure out exactly what happened.

Maybe through the cost of the inspector general.

And then if they actually find reasons to think that criminal activity or a formal DOJ FBI investigation to that could potentially lead to prosecutions.

And, and do you think that there's enough time to get that done? I mean, it seems like, you know, like I've said, they're.

The Democrats are really content to run out the clock. And then especially depending on how midterms end up.

Yeah, I think there is also they should probably try to do it down in Florida.

Get away from the DC grand jury, which is a huge problem.

But I think there is enough time. I mean, remember, you know, we may have a midterm issue, but we still have two and a half years.

The federal, you know, controlling, at least two and a half years, almost three of controlling the executive branch.

So there's enough time to go forward here, especially if they agree in the right place.

Yeah. All right. Well, we'll Chamberlain really appreciate your time this morning.

You know, and this is something that we shouldn't just, you know, put aside and say, well, it's in the past.

Trump won, you know, because what's to stop the Democrats if they get back into power in 2028.

They've already said that they want to go after Trump and target him with consequences and with law fair just because he won.

I mean, they are so completely antithetical to the rule of law. They don't care about it.

They want to impose law fair and Trump won't have another election after that.

He won't have, you know, the ability to come back into office and issue partners and, you know, all of those things.

So it's incredibly important that for future precedent value, especially not just justice for actually what happened in the, you know, the victims involved,

but also for precedent for the future that this kind of thing never can happen again in America.

But will Chamberlain really appreciate it and you can follow him on X as well as the article through project.

We'll be right back with you.

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Welcome back to Jenna Alice in the morning on American Family Radio.

Welcome back and turning now to the conflict in Iran.

There is this whole kind of narrative that has been framed over this last week from particularly left wing outlets.

In the United States as well as those who are of course sympathetic more to Iran and to anti-American interests, particularly Al Jazeera that network.

And their headline is why are the US and Israel framing the ongoing conflict as a religious war?

The subhead is US troops reportedly told the war in Iran is intended to bring about biblical end times Armageddon.

This is a classic headline that is begging the question and it's presuming that the US and Israel actually are framing the ongoing conflict as a religious war, which is false.

I think that's completely inaccurate.

And it's already been reasonably debunked this report that I first saw on having been posed.

I don't know if other outlets besides them are reporting that the US troops were told that the war was intended to try to trigger Armageddon or trigger the end times.

Anyone who knows anything about the book of Revelation or actually believes in biblical prophecy and that Revelation is prophetic in terms of the actual end of all things as I do.

I think it's a it is a book that is meant to be interpreted literally even though there's a lot of you know allegory obviously in it.

The author of all things the Lord told us how he created he told us the beginning and as the author of all things he also told us how things will end and a literal second coming of Christ.

But for those of us who have read the beginning and the end also know that no one knows the day the time or the hour of Christ return we can see signs and warnings and what the Bible describes as birth pangs of the end times.

But to suggest that somehow we could intentionally manufacture circumstances to trigger the second coming of Christ is to put again human beings above God and his sovereignty which Christians would never do.

So you know this is a headline that I think is really more intended to undermine what President Trump is doing undermine Israel and falsely suggest that the US and Israel is framing the ongoing conflict as a religious war.

But what should we think then about biblical prophecy the signs of the times and not not that Trump may intentionally be trying to trigger Armageddon but the fact that the signs of the times eventually a world events will unfold to bring about the beginning of the end of all things.

So to discuss all of this let's welcome in Alex McFarland who is the co-host of exploring the word here on American Family Radio Network and is an author and Christian Apologist and so Alex I love talking about biblical prophecy because I think it's something that a lot of Christians either go they kind of fall off one side or the other you know it's like they either are too scared of it because they don't want to misinterpret which is a wise caution.

Then you know maybe aren't as attuned to well biblical prophecy is there and we need to understand it rightfully discern it you know or they fall off on the side that they're so intent and myopically focused on biblical prophecy that everything seems to be kind of this prophetic interpretation and they kind of go outside the clear meets and bounds of scripture with respect to prophecy particularly at the end time.

So how should Christians think about prophecy in general and then as it relates to world events currently?

Well Jen I thank you for having me on it so it was a privilege and you set that up just wonderfully I agree with you that the Bible is literal truth and it does predict that the world system will become increasingly godless and secular but one day Jesus Christ

literally will return you know in Acts 1 verse 11 Christ had ascended to heaven the great commission was given we're in the church age and we're to go into all the world and spread the gospel but in Acts 1 11 it says this same Jesus will one day return in like manner and so it's it's a diversion or a red hearing perhaps

for the propaganda ministry of Iran to say oh those Christian evangelicals in America they're just trying to force God's hand and cause the end of the world that's that's crazy and I hope nobody would be misled by that.

Let Israel and America attacked Iran to make the world a safer place I mean this is a rogue nation that sadly thanks to Barack Obama and the Biden administration were increasingly close to developing nuclear bombs we know they would use them and Jenna let me say this several days ago I on exploring the word bird Harper and I have a

college exchange student from Iran her brother was shot and attempted to be killed because he was in a peaceful protest against Ali Khameini and a bomb was detonated near her family's house in Iran and she was unexplored the word asking people to pray for the Christian she said there are so many believers in the world

in the Middle East and specifically Iran and many many people are leaving Islam and becoming born again Christians and it was interesting Jenna because we didn't prompt her at all we just wanted to have her on to express solidarity and to pray but she said that many many many of the people in Iran are so grateful for Trump and Israel

liberating them from the clutches of this dictator so you know let's not be misled by the the accusations of you know holocaust or Armageddon fever or something like that no it's just the right thing to do if ever there were a just war I think this fits the definition and these are these are murderous dictators that needed to be taken down

yeah really well said and you know I think that there is a lot of intentional distraction going on from those who oppose the Iran conflict and who oppose just President Trump in general I mean he could literally order a pizza and they would find some reason to impeach him right so you know these aren't people who are having serious debates and discussion over policy they're people who are just opposition

political actors and so you know in in this whole context of current events Christians need to walk circumspecally Alex and so you know when it comes to things like I was talking to Pastor Jack Hibbs you know good friend and was asking him about you know Iran and a possible indication of the signs of the times and he was talking about Jeremiah chapter 49 and verses 34 through 39

and talking about you know but it will it shall come to pass in the latter days I will bring back the captives of Elam says Lord and you know this prophecy from Jeremiah and the word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah and and how you know we can see the span of biblical prophecy as it relates to the and times I mean not even just in the book of Revelation but there are still things from Old Testament prophets that are still yet to come and so you know how is that

How should Christians think about in-times prophecy and the signs of the times?

Great question.

And I do think, Jenna, that we are very...let me say this carefully, I think we are very

likely near the time of Christ's return.

I would not set a date, the Bible tells us not to do that, but the signs of the times,

some of the things that do seem to portend the time of the rapture.

And Jenna, I believe in the rapture, the catching away of the church.

I believe there will be a seven-year tribulation that will be...the Bible calls it the time of

Jacob's trouble.

And the tribulation will coalesce and culminate with the Battle of Armageddon, where a minimum

of 200 million troops will assemble not just to fight Israel and the church, but really

minions of Satan gathered at the Valley of Maghito to kill off God.

And Christ returns the devil and his emissaries are vanquished in a blink, and thus begins

a thousand years of peace on earth called the millennium.

It's interesting, Jenna, the reformers, 500 years ago, Luther and Calvin, and then later

200 plus years ago, the Wesley's.

Many of the people during the post-reformation years believed that just before the return

of Christ, there would be the rise of what they call Muhammadism.

And that was kind of a...in that era, the way of referring to Muslims.

And we could do a whole show on that.

But near the end of time, there would be a rise of Islam, there would be violence in

parts of the world.

There would be globally kind of the loss of a moral code.

And I would say, Jenna, with the fight to promote abortion, and then the mainstreaming of

homosexuality and transgenderism and the idea, the insistence, if you will, that gender

is not objective, but fluid.

I really think with what the Human Rights Campaign, and 50 years of the LGBTQ trans lobby,

I mean, globally, there has been a suppression of morality.

I think another sign of the times, Jenna, is really the wiring of the planet.

Now think about that.

200 years ago, there was a French atheist named Voltaire.

And in Europe, there were a lot of atheists in the aftermath of Charles Darwin.

And they liked to mock, and they would say, oh, you know, the Bible talks about Jerusalem

and Israel.

There is no Israel since March of 70 AD.

And then, you know, the whole wide world, these two witnesses, dead in Jerusalem, how could

the whole wide world see something all in one day?

Well, Jenna, oh, my goodness, even as you and I do this radio program, we know there

are people around the world listening in real time.

And so there is the internet, the wiring of the planet, the possibility for a global

police state.

But Jenna, I would say the super sign of the lateness of the hour is the rebirth of the

nation of Israel, you know, 78 years ago, May 14, 1948.

I'm very grateful to God that 12 minutes into the existence of the modern state of Israel

then President Harry Truman said the United States recognizes the sovereign nation of Israel.

So one last thing, the growth of the Christian church.

And Jesus said this gospel of the kingdom will be preached as a witness to all nations

and the end will come.

Now our job is to be ready, be faithful, you know, we are to no Christ and make him known.

And I certainly pray that everybody listening is in that posture.

But Christ is coming and Jenna, it very, very well may be in our lifetime.

Yeah, I could not agree more.

And I think that we are, you know, just logically, we are definitely getting closer to the end

of all things than to Christ coming just because of the passage of time.

And you know, every day that passes that Christ doesn't return makes it closer to his coming.

But with the signs of the times, I think we can rightly say, well, we, you know, we obviously

can't say the hour or the day for sure.

And no one should want to predict that it is close, I believe that as well.

But even a more threshold question for those who are listening and who may be a different

view than a literal rapture or they may be, you know, all millennialists to say that,

you know, we're currently in the midst of the thousand years or that that's just a, that's

just an allegory and there are some who don't believe in a literal revelation.

There are different interpretations of eschatology or which is the study of the end of all things

of theologically.

What would you argue, Alex, to support our position that there is a literal second coming

of Christ and that revelation does document as well as, I mean, this is why the Old Testament

is so important.

It's not just passe, like some of these modern Christians suggest that, you know, only

the New Testament is relevant.

You know, the Old Testament prophecy and all of these things that make a literal rapture,

a literal second coming and that happens pre seven years of tribulation.

That doctrinal standpoint, what is your argument for holding that position?

Great, great question.

And let me say, you know, within the body of Christ, you're quite correct.

I mean, there are different people that hold different views about the fine print, the

fine usha of biblical prophecy.

It's, you know, estimated that 30% of the Bible is predictive prophecy.

And the point of orthodoxy on which we all agree is that Christ is coming back.

Jenna, I grew up from a long line of Presbyterians and I went rogue when I was in college.

I became a Baptist.

Anyway, God's been so good to allow me to preach in churches of every stripe and strata.

More than 2,000 churches throughout the world.

And I give God the glory.

And while I am not an omelinialist, omelinialism, you know, would say that the thousand year

reign of Revelation 20 is a symbolic representation of Christ's current reign.

And I respectfully disagree with that, but I love them as brothers and sisters in Christ.

And so I want to be very clear, while my eschatology is what would be called pre-millennialism,

rapture, tribulation, return, thousand year millennium, New Heavens and New Earth, the

point of orthodoxy on which we all agree is that the Lord Jesus is literally coming back

and I really do pray for unity in the body of Christ because I think there's a lot of strength

in Christians pulling together, even those, and perhaps, Jenna, we could do another show on this,

that there are the theological non-negotiables on which we all agree.

Jesus is deity, the Son of God.

He shed His blood on the cross to pay for our sin debt.

He literally rose from the dead and by faith in Jesus we are born again and He is coming

back and Jesus will rule and reign forever, social we ever be with the Lord.

But Jenna, you're going to love this.

I was on a program in Greenville, South Carolina with a Scottish, a Presbyterian minister

from Scotland and he was at a major, major Presbyterian church in South Carolina and I

appreciated his honesty because guess what, this man with a very reformed Calvinistic non-pre-millennial

background, we were on a show talking about events in the world and this was after October 7,

23, Israel was attacked, we've seen the rebirth of Israel, so many things that do seem to

comport with rapture, tribulation, pre-millennialism.

And this Presbyterian minister, he said to read the newspaper and see the status of the

world, evil men wax worse and worse, he said the state of the world and I'm quoting.

He said it leads me to believe pre-millennialism is almost certainly true.

Now coming from a reformed Presbyterian, that's a pretty big statement, isn't it?

It is, wow. And I think it just, well, you rightly say, Alex, that there are different views

and interpretations of the end times and this is what Christians would call an inhouse debate

because obviously we haven't reached to that point in history yet and so we're all doing our most

educated interpretation of scripture and it should be educated, it should be informed and we

should have convictions on this. It is what we would characterize as an inhouse debate, it's not

something that should divide or separate Christians, I think there are more reasonable interpretations

than others and that's where obviously the debate lies but just because we haven't gotten there

yet doesn't mean that eschatology isn't a part of theology that we can just ignore and we have

to take a break here but I want to come back and talk about really that key question because I

think the aspects of theology that a lot of churches avoid maybe because there are so many divergent

views really I think does Christians a disservice so my special guest Alex McFarland and we'll be

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slash AFR that's preborn.com forward slash AFR. Welcome back to Jenna Alice in the morning

on American Family Radio. Welcome back and I'm here with my special guest Alex McFarlane

to is part of our AFA board he is also the co-host of exploring the word right here on American

Family Radio Network and is an author and a Christian apologist and we're talking about the subject

of eschatology or the portion of theology the study and knowledge of God as it relates to what he

has told us about the end of all things or the end times and before we went to break we were talking

about the fact that a lot of churches unfortunately tend to avoid this topic because we simply don't

know for sure right we can we can with confidence know for certain other aspects of theology like

satireology for example the study of salvation how to come into a saving knowledge of the Lord

right our relationship with Christ the Bible is very explicit and clear on that and those are

things that are non-negotiables for the Christian those are things that we would call the fundamental

tenants of the faith when it gets to something like eschatology though as we've mentioned

there are a few different viewpoints that all fall within reasonable interpretations of scripture

and because we don't know for sure simply because we haven't gotten to that point yet a lot of

churches tend to not take positions or they tend to simply avoid the topic altogether and I think

that's doing a disservice to the robust theological education that every Christian should have

the knowledge of God and be convinced in his or her own mind to study the scriptures and then study

what the the great the greats and and the great preachers and expositors of scripture have argued

and have said and been convinced but this also in in understanding that there will be a literal

second coming of Christ and even if that doesn't happen in our lifetimes eventually it is

appointed unto man once once to die eventually we will encounter eternity and so that whether we're

talking about the end of all things being you know the end of the world or whether we're talking about

the end of all things being our own personal life experience here on earth the end of all things as

it relates to to us we need to be concerned about eternity and so the question Alex then becomes

how should that change that that truth how should that change how Christians live today oh great

question great do you know the New Testament tells us that we like first John 228 it says that we

are to abide in him that when he shall Jesus that when he shall appear we may have confidence before

him and not be ashamed it is coming and the verb abide there the the way is rendered means continual

uninterrupted action and the Bible also calls a return of Christ the blessed hope and

Gina Jenna there's an old hymn when I was a young Christian it just I was in church when Sunday

I'd never heard it and it moved to me to tears it said is this the crowning day glad day glad day when

I will see my friend when Christ appears and so I know a lot of my fellow clergy they don't preach

on prophecy maybe they think it's too complex or it's people don't have the attention span sufficient

to follow it I would disagree because we are well first of all Christians and certainly ministers

are to teach the full counsel of God and you know I think a lot of people maybe they they think

prophecy is symbolic and not really propositional truth or doctrine I would disagree I believe it

really is I will say you know if you look at like Daniel Ezekiel Jeremiah revelation

it can be complex Bert Harper and I if I may only offer this we wrote a book on 100 questions

about prophecy in the end times and these are from our AFR listeners and it's I think it would be

a good primer to get people up to speed on what the Bible says and how to teach it and I just

want to challenge my my fellow ministers to preach about in times people are hungry George

Barna a colleague and friend I'm sure you've probably interviewed George Barna among the things

that people go to church for is you know they they're looking for answers about the the world

just seems like it's unraveling does the church maybe have some insight and so I would say you

could do a prophecy series and do a great service that would bring in people that are trying to

find out answers about what's going on in the world but I'll say this Jenna I think the the

prospect of Christ's return the end of the world this is an evangelistic tool and we're not trying

to scare people or manipulate people but look let's be real either by death or Christ's return

we're all going to stand before God one day and we need to be prepared and we are prepared by

putting our faith in Jesus and being saved the Bible because it being born again converted and I

guess I would just say to everybody listening um God loves you Christ died for you Jesus right now

even this moment Christ is calling and saying come to me or maybe if you're away come back to me

and Jenna I think the state of the world and the prophecies of scripture are are quite the motivator

to make sure our house is in order and whenever we see Jesus as we certainly will that we're ready

to meet God and we're prepared for eternity yeah absolutely um that that is so well said and can't

be emphasized enough that we often are so focused on the temporal and what we're doing with our

day-to-day lives and the plans that we have and the goals and the hopes and the dreams and those

are all good things but sometimes we forget that we are truly preparing for eternity there was a

quotation that I saw that I love that said you know um so many people say life is short um enjoy it

where we should be saying eternity is long prepare for it and what a great description and

and this is why I love doing um these some of these programs kind of getting away from you know

the political and the news of the day and being so focused just on the day-to-day because these

are the discussions that I love Alex and I always love when you join uh because these are the

things that truly should be the most important to Christians and obviously because these things

are so important and we're preparing for eternity we need to be concerned about our government system

we need to be concerned about our church we need to be concerned about our family we need to be

concerned about um teaching and having a society that is the best uh the best forum and venue to

be able to to talk about these things together without fear of government reprisal um being able to

educate our kids without government intervention um you know all of those things are important

but first and foremost we need to have a knowledge of God and we need to have Christian priorities

and also stewardship um you know we tend to use that word just as it relates to you know tithing

and money and all of that but really it's about all of the things that God has blessed us with

including time um including our sphere of influence and you know one of the things that just

through um the the circumstances that God brought about in my life I am so grateful that Alex

that I'm not in DC anymore well that was you know a wonderful position for a couple of years you

know and it's it's a wonderful privilege to a work for sitting president um you know I I

appreciated that opportunity from President Trump um what God has given me now being able to speak

about these things that really matter for eternity I love this and this is where you know these

conversations are just it overflows my heart to um to be able to have these conversations and to

talk about where Christians should be investing our time and energy as we live our daily lives

but we prepare for eternity and you know what advice would you give to the Christian listening

to maybe pay less attention to you know the Fox News headlines and you know they're having

in post and all of this and pay more attention to the things of God.

Well great great question well um the things that are internal are eternal and the things that

are external are temporary or as you said temporal um really you know what we have in Jesus

who we are in Jesus and what our purpose is as followers of Jesus that's really what matters

most and I just would challenge I would humbly challenge all Christians to just

prayerfully look at their priorities in life and and look I mean life is just not about stuff and

here in the West I mean we're very blessed and that's wonderful but um we we just get immersed in

materialism and stuff and just busyness and I'm a goodness you know um movies and entertainment

and things like that uh and let's let's remember if if we're a born again Christian

whomever that if you're if you're born again Christian our life assignments uh we're ambassadors

for the Lord you know and part of why we do all that we do with AFA and AFR is we're trying to

not only are we engaged in discipleship and worldview and uh equipping the church

but we ourselves are disciples I mean uh I happen to know you're one of the most uh diligent

students of the word that I know and and it's it's because this is real folks this is really real

Jenna I gotta say something you know um even as you and I are doing this show there is the um

the war going on with uh Iran what's amazing is and I was on the phone a couple of days ago with

a friend of mine from from the National Jewish Federation and by the way um in Israel and in

America um I've got literally dozens of Jewish friends who are profoundly grateful for America's

evangelical Christians that we stand with Israel we support Israel but you know what what's

really wild is as that war began Jews around the world were observing uh Purim or Purim

which is commemorates the events of the book of Esther right and um there was a Persian king

artisercces uh and Persia is modern day Iran and uh you know in the event of the book of Esther

Haman who was like the Iatola of the book of Esther or the Hitler of the Old Testament Haman wanted

to kill all the Jews but Mordecai worked and then of course um young Esther was bold and courageous

and went before artisercces and then what happened was that uh 70 years later Cyrus uh issued the

edict of the edict of return um so that they could um you know fortify and rebuild Jerusalem

what is so amazing this is really amazing they call many Jews in Israel called Trump the modern day

Cyrus the name Cyrus means kosher by the way interesting um how the parallels of today mirror

events of centuries ago absolutely and Alex um I always wish that we had more time but such a great

conversation and this is why we should be students of the word and I love what first Thessalonians

fore says that make it your ambition to lead a quiet life you should mind your own business and

work with your hands as we told you so your daily life may win the respective outsiders and you

will not be dependent on others we should make that our ambition live a quiet life before the Lord

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