UOTU: Epistemology Of The Matrix: Programming Our Beliefs

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Today we have some new faces, some old faces, familiar faces, so I figured I'd start off with the new face, and Peter Duke, who was just recently on the Ripple Effect podcast, that episode actually just came out today, and he's going to give a little bit of a background, and I think after hearing a bit of his story, there's a lot of different avenues we can go down.

Maybe Graham T. Sir Charlie will have a question to kind of spark the conversation, get it going. So Peter, thanks for, first of all, for taking time to come on the show, especially short notice. Let the listeners who might not be familiar with some of your very, very interesting background and story and journey. Let them know who you are.

Well, thanks for having me again. I'll try to, I'll try to make this short. I kind of feel like I had a, a forest gump life because there's a lot of different kind of scenarios that I've been involved in in my life, and I think that if you tried to pitch this to somebody in Hollywood, they wouldn't believe it, but in any case, I grew up in the San Fernando Valley. My father was a doctor, and my mother had been a librarian at Rand Corporation.

So my next door neighbor was a mathematician at Rand, and I grew up playing these games called Avalon Hill games, which are basically military simulation games that were created by people who worked at Rand.

And, you know, I went on, I, I became a computer science major in college, but I dropped out of college the same times that Bill Gates did because I wanted to be a photographer, I wanted to be a fashion photographer, and I actually did that for, you know, a decade or so.

And I ran into a lot of really interesting weird situations when I was a photographer.

You know, for example, I, I was hearing stories about what a dirt bag Jean-Loup Bernal was in 1985.

So, you know, kind of way ahead of the rest of the curve on that. But then I, the internet took off, and because I was a computer science major in college, when I dropped out, I actually knew how the internet worked.

And so I wound up becoming the director of design at news core. I built the first commercial entertainment website on the worldwide web. I built the exfiles.com.

And then I went on to build another dozen websites for a, for news core. And then I worked with Max Kaiser for a while on something called the Hollywood Stock Exchange, where we met Max argues that we invented the first cryptocurrency, the Hollywood dollar.

Then I worked for Steven Spielberg in a joint venture called Dreamworks, which was a, I'm sorry, Gameworks, which was a joint venture between Dreamworks Universal and Sega.

So I built video games for a while and helped launch kind of eSports as a genre. And then I worked for Virgin. I ran eCommerce at Virgin for five years.

And I met Andrew Breitbart in 2010. And he was saying politics is downstream from culture. And I, even though I hadn't picked up a camera in 15 or 20 years, I thought that taking pictures was a really good way to support the political people that I was still a true believer. I still believed that we had a functioning republic.

And so I wound up becoming a photographer. And very quickly, I became infamous. The New York Times branded me the Annie Leibwitz of the alt, right, which I thought was particularly funny because Annie Leibwitz.

When I saw the headline, I thought she'll be really mad and somebody asked me why. And I said, because she spent like 30 years becoming Annie Leibwitz. And I became Annie Leibwitz, like in one headline.

And so I had a business partner who had turned out was US intelligence asset. And we built three different startups. All of them got defended and debanked. And so I went through all of that. They were actually pretty good ideas. But I learned more about the CIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence and how they work.

Then I would have ever expected. And then I wound up as the official photographer for stop the steel. So I was on the steps of the, of the capital on January 6th with a credential. I was, you know, there taking pictures. And I noticed that there were two kinds of people that were, that were there.

There were people who didn't know what was going on. I was one of them. Even though I had a schedule and a map and an agenda and all of these other things. None of those things that were in my brief were actually happening. And then there were people who knew what was going on. And I started taking pictures of those people.

They were all high and tight and squared away. They were very military looking. And I could tell that the whole thing was an op. And so I wound up meeting this woman at the airport on my way back. And she and I were both convinced that the whole thing was a psi op and that we had been fooled.

And I wound up marrying her. She's my wife. And we decided that we would unregister to vote. And that kind of started my journey of trying to figure out what the heck is going on. And we, you know, that led me to kind of like James Corbett and Richard Grove and Jay Dyer. And I just started, you know, diving in.

And I, you know, I basically have spent the last five years spend specializing in epistemology. I didn't really understand what epistemology was when I started it. But it's basically the study of how do we believe what we believe.

And so, and I believe the best should probably be something that people learn in junior high school.

It's a big long word. But I've also that also led me to linguistics. And what is the blocking and tackling of how language is used in order to convince us to something is true and something is not true. So that's kind of where my emphasis has been for the last five years.

And I'll just leave it there.

Cool story, bro. That's awesome.

Yeah, that's holy moly. Where do we start with that?

I spent a lot of time in Los Angeles. So I connect to your, your stories about that.

What, what did it for you? You mentioned that you, you heard stories about Jean-Luc Bernel back in the 80s.

Well, there's a whole, I mean, again, the whole fashion part of my life was like, you know, at least a decade. And since I started learning linguistics, I understood, I understand that there's a certain part of my personality that because I was a photographer.

And one of the, my personality traits is the ability to put people at ease when, when I, when I first meet them, I understood kind of implicitly that that, you know, if you want to get a good picture of people, you need to make sure that they're comfortable with you first and foremost.

So like, I would always start a photo session with without touching my camera. I would just have conversations with people.

And very quickly it, they're, I mean, in retrospect, there was a particular group of models that I worked with that just kind of opened up to me.

And I always kind of thought that they were quirky or they were, you know, there was maybe maybe I just, I was a kid from the San Fernando Valley. Like I didn't, I didn't have a big world, but I didn't grow up in Manhattan.

And I was telling Ricky that even though I was from the San Fernando Valley, I was working with all the same people that, that Epstein and Jean-Luc Bernel were with in their cities because, but I was shooting catalogs.

So we all used the same hairdressers and the same makeup artists and we have different jobs. I'm not shooting for magazines. I'm shooting for catalogs and I'm shooting 15 or 20 shots a day.

And it's, it's funny because when I heard the name of the modeling agency next, I thought it was really hilarious because the word that was used on my set, I shot catalogs more than any other word was next.

You know, like you'd finish your shot and then you'd be the next shot, right? So, but getting back to your answer.

In retrospect, I think that what I was dealing with was a lot of people at this associate of identity disorder. There was a lot of DID that was coming in and out of my studios.

I think that, you know, again, Sharon Stone's movie star, I spent a lot of time with her. There's certain things about her personality that I think are definitely DID.

And there were dozens of models that I worked with that I thought exhibited that kind of DID personality trait. And I just kind of thought it was quirky.

You know, I thought it was like, oh, I guess this is how models are. But now that I'm like, red in on Kathy O'Brien and the, you know, Anna Lucas, Annika Lucas and, you know, the half a dozen other women who have written books about it.

I'm starting, I started to understand that, oh, this is a pattern. And I used to think that, again, like I was for a scump and I had this blessed life and I was accidentally bumping into these people.

But I do think that it's probably more ubiquitous than a lot of people think. There's a lot of it.

Well, in a forest gump moment, I will say that before this episode started, I was texting with Mel Kay and she's trying to get on this call with us.

And she said that Kathy O'Brien is with her right now. So I said, please get Kathy on as well.

We may have a situation where later on in this call, those two parachute in and we can get you some answers directly from Kathy O'Brien herself.

When was it that you kind of put it all together? Because I know how this is where you can be working in that world and not and be doing your job and functioning and grade at your job and still sort of on one level where you don't even know that there's something else going on above you.

And it clicks one day and you go, holy, because I remember I had an agent in Hollywood who was a very nice guy and he pulled me aside one day and he said, are you sure you want to do this?

And I said, I'm not doing this isn't like my life's dream or anything. I'm just fresh out of college. Don't want a real job. You can hook me up with some commercials and things like that.

If we get anything, you know, good. If we don't, we don't. He goes, okay, because, you know, sometimes the people who want it the most get themselves in situations where things are bad. And I was like, hey, man, I think I know what you're trying to tell me, but like I'm not interested in that. He's like, okay.

There were times when it was, if I felt like somebody was trying to tell me that there's two worlds going on here and you're in one of them and there's something else and you got to be careful about that. Did you have any of those moments where like the light in retrospect, the light bulb should have gone off or maybe you saw something that you weren't really familiar with, but now in hindsight, it makes a little bit more sense.

Oh, yeah, decades later. You know, and I think that, you know, I was, I was telling Ricky that, you know, I've been in the room with Roberto Murdoch. I've been in the room with Richard Branson. I've been in the room with Steven Spielberg. And in each one of those points in my career, I got to a point where I hit a ceiling like I wasn't going to go any higher.

And I do believe in retrospect that there were times when I was tested and Hollywood Stock Exchange. You know, they wanted me to be the president of the Hollywood Stock Exchange one day and then they got rid of me the next day.

That happened to me, you know, on several different, in several different situations. And, you know, I could have a giant chip on my shoulder about it, but I think that in retrospect, what happened was that I probably got to a point where they asked me to do something where I would compromise by principles.

And they realized that I wasn't going to do that, at which point they, they lost interest in me. You know, it was, that was the end. So, yeah, I can, I mean, I can think of specific moments in each one of those careers when, if I had, if I had done one thing instead of another, I probably could have advanced.

I mean, I was a straight male in Los Angeles trying to be in the fashion business. And, you know, at the same time, you know, her Brits, you know, I was, I was way ahead of her Brits when her Brits started as far as the amount of pictures I had under my belt and the number of people that I knew in my network.

And his mother owned a, a loose site furniture store on Santa Monica Boulevard across the street from Barney's Beanery. And, you know, he wound up, you know, being like the gay lover of Richard gear and wound up getting a, a GQ gig.

Because Richard gear, he and Richard gear were driving to Palm Springs for the weekend in Richard gears 1967 convertible Mustang and the, and it had a flat tire. And so Richard gear, who's like at the pinnacle of his, you know, sex appeal, gets out of the car, takes his shirt off and changes the tire and her Brits jumps out of the car and starts taking pictures of Richard gear with no shirt on.

And they drive to Palm Springs, he gets the film developed, Richard gear sends the pictures off to GQ. And the next thing her Brits is a photographer working for GQ.

You know, and I'm looking at that going, wait, wait, what's going on? You know what I mean? So, you know, if I had been gay, if I had been, you know, in the right parties, if I had been in the right situation, you know, that that probably would have been.

That probably would have been a different story for me, but being a straight dude in Los Angeles and trying to break into the fashion business, the cards weren't, the cards weren't there. And I wasn't smart enough to actually know that I really thought that if you were really good at what you did because there were a lot of straight photographers.

Okay, Jeffrey Epstein is friends with a lot of straight photographers. Okay. And that's a whole thing. Like I spent some time in Italy and there are, they called them playboys, they called the guys who are associated with Jeffrey Epstein playboys, but a lot of them were like billionaires who own modeling agencies.

And they would have staffs of photographers because these young girls would come in with no money and they would need portfolios.

And so what they would need to do is they kind of run them through this photographer gauntlet where they'd go and they'd shoot with a bunch of different photographers.

And of course, the photographers are always telling them in Europe that they have to get naked because if you want to be a big, if you want to be a big star in your opinion magazines, you have to get naked.

Right. And so that's a whole grooming process. Right. That winds up going on. So when I lived in Europe, I was asked if I wanted to be one of these kind of stable photographers. And I said, no, that doesn't really like interest me at all. I didn't really sound very interesting.

But if I had done that, you know, that might have made a big difference in my career. So, you know, there are lots of situations in different industries where I probably was being tested and I didn't pass the test.

And I'm glad that I didn't pass the test at this point because I'd rather be sitting here talking to you guys than, you know, giving up my soul.

Yeah, no kidding.

Well, yeah, that's a, that's a dark path because we saw what happened. How long, when were you in the photography world 80, you said 85, what to 85 to the like from 1980 to 1991, 92, something like that.

And my, you know, from 85 to 87, I probably shot more photographs and I probably shot more photographs of models wearing clothes than any photographer west of the Rockies because I, I was a catalog.

I was, I was kind of at the peak of the catalog shooters and I was shooting 15 or 20 shots a day, five days a week for three years.

So, do you work with LA talent, LA models?

I worked with all of them.

Not only did I work with all of them, but I was on the VIP list. I, I hired more models than anybody in Los Angeles for three years.

And so I got invited to all the parties like, you know, all I knew all of the agents, the heads of all the agencies.

The first name they invited me to, to stuff all the time. And, and I, and that was another big lesson that I had in my life because when I went from being a catalog shooter, I decided that I wanted to shoot, I wanted to shoot editorial and I wanted to shoot for the magazines. I did it backwards.

Usually what ones have happening is that you shoot the magazines first so that you can get the catalog jobs because they pay more.

And I wanted the sexy fashion pictures. I wanted to go shoot the sexy faction pictures. And so I quit doing the catalog stuff and I went to the editorial and because my relationship with the agencies was completely based on the amount of dollars that were rolling through the agency.

And they forgot who I was like overnight. It was I went, I went from being a, you know, the, you know, the most popular guy in the room when I walked into who's that, you know, like overnight. That was a good lesson.

I'm curious because we, Jeffrey Epstein's name is now household name. And we're starting to have people scratch their heads and say it's weird that this guy kind of operated out in the general public and so many people were aware of what he was doing and yet nothing ever happened to him. And I always want people to think like, hey, well, what do you think was going on at the playboy mansion, you know, I mean, talk about a gigantic honey pot entrapment operation.

During your time there and we're talking about really like kind of the heyday, although like maybe the mid 90s that got a little crazier. But what was your relationship if any to that orbit of the playboy mansion and what was happening there in regards to girls being, you know, told this is how this is the process for which you go about to get famous.

This is where you need to be. This is who you need to talk to. What, what was your role in any of that? Did you see it? No, I, I didn't because I was, because frankly, I was a snob, you know, I, I, I didn't, I mean, I shot fashion and I, I thought that the women that were involved in the fashion business were like on a different tier than the women who were involved in the in playboy. And in fact, there was a, there was a, I had a really.

A close friend who was a hair hairdresser named Debbie Thomas, you know, who gave Rod Stewart his first haircut because she was dating Ron Wood in London, being trained by Vidal so soon at the time and Ron Wood brought his Woody, she called him brought his soccer buddy, Rod in for a haircut. So Debbie Thomas, you know, gave Rod Stewart that, you know, kind of iconic haircut.

And, and she was, you know, she was a good friend of mine, but she was a junkie. She was a, she was a big time junkie and she was a good friends with Larry Flint's wife.

I can't, what was her name? I can't remember. She's in the movie. She died of AIDS Debbie died of AIDS.

And I'm in the studio one day. I'm, you know, again, I'm shooting, you know, catalog, catalog stuff. And the phone rings and it's Larry Flint's wife.

And she and Debbie are really high and they're together. And she said, Debbie thinks you're really good photographer. I want you to come shoot for my magazines.

And, you know, I was very polite. I said, you know, I'm, I'm honored. I think that I'm very, you know, humbled that you're calling me and you think that you'd like me to shoot for your magazines. But that's, it's not really what I do.

And so I said, thank you. And that was it. But again, you run into these situations. If I had done that, who knows what would have happened, you know.

I don't know if I answered your question. I'm just, I'm just curious how it all, I'm just curious how it all worked. I mean, was it one day that you sort of

kind of figured it out? Was it somebody said something? Was it that you realized you weren't getting invited to the after parties or you weren't getting invited to the

synagogue parties or what I mean, you know, like whatever it was, was there a point in which you realized that like you were kind of

not sitting at the cool kids table, unless you were doing something else.

Yeah, I mean, I was, again, there were several clients that wanted me to score drugs for them. And I knew that there were other photographers in town

that were very successful that were scoring drugs. And I, it was a road. I wouldn't go down. And, and, but the answer question.

I think that I was an object denial about, about where I was in, in, in my photographic career, until the web happened. And what there was a, there was a sea

change in my career, because when I went to UC Santa Barbara, they had this thing called the ARPANET. And then it turned it, you know, and it turned it into the internet.

And so I was working on the internet for a couple of years when I went to UC Santa Barbara. And so when the internet happened, I actually knew I could answer people's questions.

And I could, not only that, I average fashion advertising is marketing. And I, I had been working with marketing people for a decade. And so somebody who actually understood how the computers work, how the machines work, who actually also understood what the marketing people were talking about.

I was what was called a unicorn, because, you know, because I could talk to both sides. And I, I would say that for the next 20 years, I spent most of my career doing translations between engineering teams.

And people who are trying to get creative projects off the ground.

And so what the sea change was that I went from a dog eat dog business where I spent, I mean, I probably spent $100,000. I mean, it doesn't sound like a lot of money now. But in over a decade, I was probably spending $10,000 a year just on promoting myself.

You know, on shooting, on doing free shoots, creating pictures, doing promo pieces, taking people at the dinner, doing, you know, portfolios and sending them outfit by FedEx all over the country and doing all of that other stuff. And, you know, one, once in a while, I would get a job.

I went from that life to my phone ringing off the hook all the time. And my getting a job at Newscore and then getting a phone call every three days from somebody else who wanted to hire me away from Newscore, who wanted me to go work for another company.

I did, I did get, I mean, I went to internet world in 1993, I think, you know, 1992, which was in the Santa Clara High School gym.

And Yahoo was there with a buffet table and Jerry Yang and David Filo were sitting behind a buffet table with a little paper sign that said Yahoo.

You know, and I took their business cards, you know, and they all wanted me to use everybody wanted me to use San Francisco.

And I said, I live in LA, entertainments in LA. Why don't you open an office in LA? You know, it was like, and again, me just kind of being stubborn or whatever it was.

But my phone was ringing off the hook for 15 years.

And then a couple of generations of school people graduated from college who learned all of the things that I already knew.

And then I wasn't that important anymore.

Well, there's this weird convergence in the early 2000s late 1990s of the entertainment world, like Hollywood entertainment world, the website, the, the trans, that, that technological leap into the internet world.

And there was a common denominator. There was a, there was a company called digital entertainment network.

Yep. One of the guys there, Brock Pierce.

Brock Pierce has ties to Epstein. He's one of the co-founders of Tether.

He's, he was tied to Mark Rector Collins, who I think disappeared to Spain when there's a CP investigations into them.

Did your path of Hollywood slash early internet ever cross with digital entertainment network?

I had a, yeah, I, when I worked at Virgin, so I ran e-commerce at Virgin.

And, and you know, working for Virgin is a whole other chapter too. I worked there for five years.

But I had a, I had never heard of Den, and I needed a graphic artist, and I hired a graphic artist, and my graphic artist had worked at Den until they collapsed.

And so, and he was a straight guy. He was not a, you know, he was a, he was married. He had a, he had children. He was like a normal person.

And he had stories to tell about Den. So I, I was kind of read in to Den at that point. I understood what was going on.

Brock Pierce, I actually spent a day with Brock Pierce, I think around, I have to go look at my pictures. But, you know, I am friends with Max Kaiser, and he and Stacey were in town.

And they asked me if I wanted to go hang out, and I said, sure. And so I met them in Santa Monica and Brock Pierce actually owns a building on ocean in Santa Monica.

And I went over there and, and spent the day with him and his wife and, and Max and Stacey. And he's an odd fellow. He's a very, he's a very odd fellow.

But he was talking about how he, he was talking about how he didn't like Burning Man anymore. And he had started this like spin off of Burning Man.

That was a much smaller thing, because he didn't like the direction that Burning Man had been going in. But, you know, it was a bit, Bitcoin billionaires, a complaint about their, their, their problems was kind of.

I don't know, it's just, it's just weird, you know, yeah.

Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, it's as much Bitcoin as Brock Pierce has, his ties to Tether are going to make him one of the richest people on the planet.

Right.

Right. Well, it's a profitable company per employee via wide margin. And it's a really scary.

I don't know. I just get bad vibes about that whole.

Right. But he started, he got, he got bootstrapped by by Bannon. I, I, I think that that you can fact check me on this. But I believe that that sounds right.

I believe that the money that Mark Collins Rector took off with might have been Goldman Sachs money.

And, oh, well, then pedophile stealing bankers money. That's fine, fine for that.

Okay. So, yeah, and that again, fact check me on this. But it might, Bannon might have been the guy who put together that deal, that Dan deal.

I'm not sure about that.

But I know for sure that Bannon was involved with Brock Pierce in China when they were doing World of Warcraft gold, gold mining.

Did you, did you hear that story?

So, so, so Brock Pierce after Dan goes to China.

And with Bannon's support, they built this company that said World of Warcraft had its own economy.

And one of the great revelations that I've had, like, and again, I had this intelligence asset business partner for four years.

And we built some crowdfunding sites for journalism that were really, really good ideas.

Okay. And I, I could talk about that in a second. But they were really, really good ideas.

But we spent a lot of time talking about money laundering.

Not that we wanted to do money laundering, but that we didn't want people to use our platforms to do money laundering and how to protect ourselves from other people using our platforms for money laundering.

And the conclusion that I came to at the end is that there isn't any way to protect your end.

And if you've got a business that's got digital inventory, it's impossible for an organization like the IRS to come and audit you.

And so I find it highly suspect that companies like Google went from making no money to turning on advertising with a completely built out advertising infrastructure, by the way, when when Google flipped the switch and decided that they were going to start advertising, they went from zero to completely facilitated overnight.

And that takes a lot. That's like building an aircraft carrier. You know what I mean, you don't do that overnight. And so, and then they started recording, they started generating a billion dollars a quarter in revenue.

Well, how do you measure that? You know, like, I mean, how do you, how do you measure where that money is coming from? And then you got to, you know, people talk about way fair, but I look at eBay.

And I, and I think, okay, well, you know, if you've got a hundred thousand dollars worth of contraband, then you can just put up some kind of weird trinket on eBay for a hundred thousand dollars, and then you can just pay for it.

And then the money gets transferred from one person to another. So I look at anything that's got digital inventory.

And I'm just, I wonder whether or not it's just laundering drugs and, and weapons sales and, you know, all of these other things, because there's something called a virtual credit card. If you ever heard of a virtual credit card.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, if you've got a big fortune 500 company and you've got a sale staff of a thousand people, you can make a deal with the bank where somebody in your HR office can spin up credit card numbers for all the employees that you want.

Well, if you've got a situation like that, you, it's very easy to kind of astroturf.

You know, somebody's putting on their 3D headset, Oculus, and they want to raise $250,000, and they wind up over subscribing by 10 times, $2.5 million.

Well, if you've, if you've got an organization that's got thousands of spun up credit cards, it's really easy to make that look grassroots.

What do you think the deal was with the wafer overpriced cabinets and things like that?

Do you think that was money laundering? Do you think that was trafficking? Do you think that was somebody doing something else? Are you familiar with that?

Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with it.

Yeah, I think, and I also think maybe it's a way to get people to look at wafer instead of eBay.

You know, I'm always, I'm always subverted wafer, put it on wafer to distract from what's going on.

Ooh, I like that. That's a good angle.

Yeah.

Well, that's what the epistemological angle brings you, right?

If you, if you, if you start asking yourself, well, how do you know that and who benefits from that?

And if you understand that hypnosis is about focus, it's about getting people to look at something, right?

So, you know, people ask me about Charlie Kirk, and it's like, I don't know if Charlie Kirk is dead or alive.

I don't know if he really got killed or not, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because the most important part of that is the story of him getting killed.

And then who benefits from the story and then who benefits from all of the attention that's being generated from, you know, you've got team Candace, team somebody else at this point.

And I, you know, I write about this on my, on my sub stack, I call it an ARG.

One of the things that I learned when I was in the game business was alternate reality games.

You know, I'd never heard of an alternate reality game before I was in the, in the, in the game business.

But it was something I definitely wanted to be part of.

I was really definitely trying to get jobs in the alternate reality game space.

And I was never very successful at that.

And at this point, I think it's probably because I, you know, didn't, I didn't live in Langley.

Wasn't, it wasn't their conspiracy recently about Epstein's game login.

Was that for World of Warcraft, too?

Uh, I think it's his ex, his ex was an Xbox.

Xbox live and it was called duty, I think.

Oh, call it was a call.

I thought it was World of Warcraft.

Well, isn't it funny, Graham, that, that his big beef with Bill Gates ended with Gates.

Kind of revoking his ability to play Xbox live.

It's like the kid, it's like the nerdy kid at the end of your block, who's like.

You got, you know, throwing you out of his house.

So here's the part that they don't talk about, though.

Okay.

Because George Webb also, um, when, uh, he, when I first met George Webb,

he was covering, uh, Emron and Juan, uh, Spiring and Congress story.

And Emron and Juan was putting Xbox, uh, Xboxes into congressional offices.

Um, and the thing is about Xbox is that they've got in game communications.

Um, and so if you wanted to create, uh, a communication channel with somebody who the NSA may not be monitoring,

uh, one of the ways to do that might be to spin up a, a one on one game of call of duty.

Okay.

So that you can, uh, have a conversation with, you know, you're actually just standing around in the game.

You're not actually shooting at each other.

You're just talking to each other on headphones with a microphone.

Um, and so when George revealed that Emron, Juan was putting Xboxes in,

I was thinking, oh, yeah, they're talking to each other.

They're using them as a communication platform.

Well, they must have listening device capability too, maybe, no?

Aren't the Xboxes recording what's going on in the room, too?

I, I don't know.

Maybe Microsoft is, and then that gives Microsoft leverage with the, uh, with the entertain, with the, uh, intelligence community.

Well, Microsoft has, Microsoft has 25% of the X IDF soldiers who are working in big tech.

One out of every four of them is working for Microsoft.

So my guess is that it's a back door to Israel.

Okay.

Okay.

A little promise software action.

A little, a little, a little bring back, uh, if it, hey, listen, everybody loves a good remake of the 80s.

Indeed.

I don't know.

I just look at it as kind of a communication channel.

This may or may not be monitored.

That's so funny.

I was thinking about sitting around with my friends playing like, uh, counter strike.

You know, I love counter strike.

Right.

We all have our headphones.

I have reason different rooms.

You know, we were screaming.

I got you.

You know, all that stuff.

Thinking that that's that, that's the Achilles heel of the intelligence apparatus is that people playing counter strike could secretly be communicating.

How funny.

Yeah.

It's, uh, again, it's, I built the first, I built this thing called game market, game works in 1997 that was four people playing Quake in Ontario, California.

Versus four people playing Quake in, uh, in grapevine mills, California, grapevine, Texas, the mills shop, shop in center.

And we had live streaming video, uh, of the eight players, uh, in 1997.

So I built that.

Um, and, and, and there was a big controversy because it was GTE and GTE was running fiber all over Los Angeles that they shouldn't have been running.

If you, uh, if you Google like a GTE scandal in Los Angeles, those people were all working hand in hand with dream works and universal.

Um, all the people went to jail.

But the project that I was working on, uh, my boss made me the creative lead.

So there's basically a Disney style org chart where you've got a creative lead and then a project manager.

So my, my job was to decide how it worked and what it was going to do.

And the project manager was about how you get it done.

And I walked into my boss's office and he said, uh, I got good news.

You're going to be in charge of game arc. And I said, great.

And he goes, uh, and I, I got you a million dollar budget to do live streaming, uh, between here and Ontario.

And GTE is going to, uh, build all the, the infrastructure out for you.

And I said, great. And so I, I sat down with my project manager in the first meeting.

And, uh, the engineers at GTE had already spent $480,000 of the million dollar budget before we had the meeting.

And I was thinking, am I, am I on the, I'm the driver on the back of the fire truck.

Right. It's like, um, because the thing is going.

And, uh, I'm just there to kind of, you know, bless it.

Hit it, hit the front of it with a champagne bottle or something.

Wild.

Good.

How much of the internet has changed since when was that 97? Did you say 97?

Yeah.

And then, uh, you know, we, uh, so we're building this place.

I was on a sound stage at universal stage 35.

It doesn't exist anymore.

And, uh, but it was the closest sound stage to Spielberg's office at the ambulance.

And, um, uh, we had a mockup, you know, um, and so he came into, he came into Gameworks one day and he looked at all, we had all these video monitors.

Uh, it was basically like a two story place that had a balcony that ran all the way around the outside.

And it was basically a big video game arcade that had a bar.

And, uh, we, you're going to say something.

I was going to say, was it based on his, his dive restaurant in Santa Monica?

Remember that place?

That was Spielberg.

Wasn't that Casember?

I thought it was one of those guys.

Well, they were always together.

I mean, yeah, it seemed like it was like they were trying to make some sort of restaurant that was a little bit more interactive.

But it was a little almost too early for that.

Right.

Well, it might take on it.

Instead of telling that other Australia, it might take on it.

I think that I was telling Ricky about this is that the video game business when I got into it had crashed from in the 80s.

It was like a $20 billion your business in the United States and it crashed to about $6 billion a year.

And it had crashed because of consoles.

Um, and from, you know, from the, and the Nintendo and the PlayStation.

And the reason was is because that it was cash business.

And it was based on quarters.

So if you wanted to play video game, you went into our arcade and you put your cash into a machine and you got quarters out and then you put quarters into the machines.

And what I didn't, I mean, it took me a while after I was working at a game works to figure this out just from talking to some smarter people than I was at the time.

But, um, the arcade business is money laundering business for drugs for drugs and weapons and prostitution gambling.

And the reason that it went from a $20 billion your business to a $6 billion of your business is that you can't longer money with the PlayStation.

It's much harder to longer money with the PlayStation.

So people went from playing video games and arcades to playing video games at home.

And so the reason that the Japanese were partnering with Spielberg and Universal was because they were desperate to get the arcade business back up and running.

And they thought that if they sprinkled some almost all of the people that I work with were either Disney.

They came from Disney Imagineering or John Hughes company.

Rhythm and Hughes.

So really, really smart people like my three years that I worked at game works were my favorite in my career just because the people that I work with were the smartest people that I ever work with.

And they could draw as fast as they could talk, which is really like, I don't know if you've ever been in a meeting with people.

It's a creative lead. So I was based, they called me an arm waiver.

You know, so my job was to get in and kind of say, well, I wanted to be like this or I wanted to be like that.

And there'd be people sitting around a table who would be drawing what I'm talking about.

And they go like this and they hold up a picture.

And I go, well, make it this a little bigger and make that a little smaller and then two minutes later, like this, you know, and that's a real energetic kind of environment to be in.

Because then you go out and you build it.

You know what I mean? It's it, it was really great.

But the Japanese were trying to figure out a way to.

I think to get location, but LBE is what they call it location based entertainment to get the LBE market going again.

Because I, my jaded once I did biased perspective is that they lost all of these money laundering opportunities that they had when they had arcades.

And they needed to figure out a way to get that back.

We can also get into a little bit of because now we talked a lot about some of your past journey, but now you're also the host of the Duke report.

And it's not about March madness and how the blue devils are doing. It's actually something completely different.

Can you let people know how you got into doing the Duke report and how you went from your past.

I guess journey to, you know, your most recent journey, which is a Duke report.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'll try to make it short.

I, when I don't even know what, okay, so I, what happened was that I, January 6th happened.

And I thought, this is all fake. And I decided that I wanted to do a pot.

The first thing I wanted to do is I wanted to figure out how to figure out what was really going on.

Okay. And what I realized very quickly was that there were not very many sources on the internet.

There were, there weren't a lot of sources where you could get kind of unvarnished truth where people were actually just doing evidence based journalism.

And so my wife got kicked off of Twitter and she was upset.

And I put together a feed reader for her.

And, and then when I was putting the feed reader together, I thought, you know, there's probably a way that I could actually put this up as a website.

So I found a plug in called WP Dredge, which looks like the Dredge report.

And you could put RSS feeds into it.

And so I built the Duke report originally as a feed aggregator.

And so probably everybody on this, on this thing was how to an RSS feed.

And I was aggregating them on the Duke report.

And so basically I built it as a resource for my wife, figuring that anybody else who would be interested in it.

Would, would like it.

And then I was watching Richard Grove and I was watching James Corbett again trying to catch up, trying to figure out how the world really works.

And they kept dropping the names of all these books. And I kept going on to their websites. And there was no list of books.

Jay Dyer, you know, famously, he's done like hundreds of books that he's done lectures on, but there's not a list someplace of all the books.

And so I just, for myself, I started collecting a list of books and I thought, well, I'll just make that another section on the website.

And so that worked reasonably well.

It worked reasonably well.

I was constantly putting people in and taking people out because if people kind of revealed themselves to be shills for one side or the other, I would just, you know, turn the feed off.

But I also published all the RSS feeds for everybody because they're not really easy to find anymore. It's not real simple like it was in the early 2000s.

And by the way, I actually, I was a mod, I was kind of involved in the beginning of the blogosphere too.

I made, I made one comment to Dave Weiner who invented the blogosphere and that wound up turning into the way that everybody found, found each other. But that's another story.

Anyway, I built this feed aggregator and I built this list of books.

And then in order to kind of promote it, I just start, I told George Webb I was going to do a podcast and he said, oh, can I be on your podcast? And I said, okay.

And so we did it on Tuesday and he said, do you want to do it again on Thursday? And I said, okay.

And then we did that like for a year, like Tuesdays, Thursdays, Sundays for a year. I would talk to George.

And then George, George has a tendency to like, like a dog on a bone, like when the Butler thing happens or the Charlie Kirk things happens, he spins off into his universe. And he just, he goes off in a direction. And you know, you don't hear from him for weeks on. And so I just started doing the show.

And trying to figure out, you know, again, I'm just trying to figure out how the world works and what what's really going on cut to January 6th, my house burns down at the same time my house burns down the website goes down.

The, the, the, the, the, the, the, it just stops working. The feed aggregator just stops working. And I, I've done some work. I started trying to figure out a way to get it to work again. It was a bunch of old code. I was doing everything by myself. I don't have a software developer working for me. And so I just started.

I, the first thing that I did is I rebuilt. Again, my house is burned down. I'm living in Airbnb's. My wife is in and out of the hospital. And I'm trying to figure out how to put the website back together and do podcasts at the same time. Oh, yeah, by the way, I think I actually know who the people are who burn the palisades down. So I'm trying to report on that at the same time.

And I'm the only one reporting on it at this point. And, and so I started just rebuilding the book section because it was the one part of the website that was still working.

And at this point, GPT had come out and what I, and they, and you were able to do something in January of 2025 that you couldn't do before, which is that you could upload a whole book to a large language model and summarize the whole book. And so what I did is I've got almost 900 now.

But I have nine, I have 1500 word summaries of almost 900 books, which I think are the books that everybody needs to read if they want to understand what's going on in the world.

And then I also started using after that, Google came out with a notebook LAM and notebook LAM allows you to do half an hour podcasts or auto generated AI podcasts or six to 10 minute video explainers of any material that you put in it. So I would drop entire books into it. So I would drop Anthony Sutton's, you know,

Wall Street and the, and the Bolshevik revolution and it would do a half an hour podcast on it. And it's really good. My wife can't stand the voices.

And there's a real cringe factor because the way that they've got it programmed is that the robots act like the real people. So they'll say I was just talking to somebody about this last week. And you know that it's an AI voice and then they weren't talking to anybody last week and it's really annoying.

But if you can get past that. Okay, the amount of value that's delivered is immense. And you can catch up really quickly. And I'm at a point right now where I'm my point, the point of the Duke report at this point is to provide people with the tools that they need to be able to catch up to understand how the world really works right now. And I don't

think I think that people need to come to it on their own. And they need to be, they need to, they need to come to it on their own terms. Otherwise, it's not going to work. And so

George advised me to just start publishing articles on the on the Duke report domain on substack instead of doing the feed aggregator. So I kind of let go of the feed aggregator.

And I've just been writing stories and my differentiator, the thing that differentiates me from most of the other people that I think that are trying to break news is I'm trying to come up with

with aármatic solutions that people can apply that don't have something to do with what are you invest in, it's more like

mines mindset would be a better would be, it would be an okay term except they don't like it because is a normalization. And if you follow my work, you'll understand why I don't like those types of words. But basically, I, I revaled the linguistic processes that are used, that are weaponized against us,

that are used, that are weaponized against us to shut down people's ability to think, because

ostensibly, I think what we're dealing with, the existential problem that we're dealing with

right now is that thinking, which is a God-given ability that we all have, has been replaced with

knowing, and people are very good at knowing stuff, but they're not very good at thinking.

And so, there's an on an atomic level that has to do with the way that words are used,

and language is applied, and so those are the types of things that I write about on the dukeboard.

I know we've got to come to it on our own, but you can't just leave us hang in there on your view

on how the world works. I mean, something, you know, what has anything changed after going

through all this? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I use a little bit, give us a little bit of a sneak preview

on how it works. And the part I'm interested in is whether, how much of it is engineered versus

organic evolution that humanity kind of goes through, you know? Well, those are big questions.

So, so my jaded one-sided biased thesis is that there's a power structure, and that on the

bottom, it's shaped like a pyramid, and you know, there's a reason why they use pyramids.

And on the bottom level of the pyramid, you've got prisoners of the cave, which is Plato's

you know, description of, you know, people who are distracted by whatever's going on around them.

And then on top of the, you know, if you think of it as a layer cake, on top of that layer cake,

you've got true believers. And true believers are people who are, I get the the the moniker from

Eric Hoffer's book, The True Believer. And those people are motivated by frustration.

And, you know, politics spins those people up by saying, oh, this, these people are doing

something bad to you, and you get people polarized, and you use this, you know, divide and conquer

dialectic, you know, false dichotomy in order to kind of marshal people around. And then what I

really learned in having an intelligence asset, a business partner for four years is that on top

of the true believers, you have a layer of assets. And assets are people who are working for the

power elite, the people who control the world, who don't know they're working for the power elite.

They're usually, I didn't know. When I on January 6th, when I was standing on the, the steps of

the Capitol trying to figure out what was going on, I was a true believer. Okay, I was mega through

and, you know, all of the mega people knew me and, you know, that's why I was there, you know.

But so I was an asset. And assets don't need to know that they are assets, which is why, like,

if you look at the, at the Charlie Kirk thing that's going on right now, there's a lot of people

who are finger pointing and name calling and all this other stuff. And you can, you could try to

figure out what the motivations are that people have. But at the end of the day, they may not even

know they're an asset. They may be being spoon fed information. And they are true believers.

Assets are recruited out of the true believer class. And then above the assets you've got

handlers and handlers are people who are managing assets who know that they're working for the

power. They know exactly they're the Davos crowd and the council on foreign relations and the club

of Rome and, you know, the Santa Fe Institute and the Aspen Institute. Those, those people know who

they're working for. They know what they're doing. And then on top of that, you've got, you know,

who are who the banksters at the top? And but they're not all band, but I call them banksters, but,

you know, they're not, you know, Charlie's written a good book on it. They're not all bankers. They're

It's in a malgum. It's the generational wealth of the ages. And, you know, and they're

very good at hiding in plain sight. And that's why I spend a lot of time in energy on things

like semiotics. On January 5th, 2021, when I was walking down Constitution Avenue, I happened

to hire a guy as my assistant who is an expert on the esoteric and the occult. And I was walking

and we walked by something called the melanoditorium, which is, I believe, the temple where all of the

big decisions in Washington DC are actually made. And the reason I believe that is because if you

look at it, there's a big pediment. It's a temple. It looks like a Greek temple. They bathed the

thing in purple light all the time. And I believe that the people who are in control of the world are

descendants of the Tyrian Phoenicians. And so when you see Marco Rubio wearing a purple tie or

you see Donald Trump wearing a purple tie or when you see Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton coming

out and wearing purple, this is a signal. Okay. And there's lots of pictures of the melanoditorium

bathed in purple light. The melanoditorium is where NATO was born. It's where they had their 25th,

50th and 75th anniversary. And on the pediment of the melanoditorium is the goddess Columbia rendered

as a hermaphrodite. It's a, it's a dude's body with a dude's legs. It looks like a football player

from the NFL with a couple of boobs bolted on. Okay. And this very kind of androgynous face.

And my, my, my friend says, look at the hermaphrodite. And I said, what? And, and if you're walking down

Constitution Avenue, you really got to crane your neck and like look up to see it because it's way up

there. But it's there. And so I backed up and I had a long lens and I took some pictures of it.

And I kept walking. And then I got, we got a block later, we get in front of the National Archive.

And this is really weird statue. It's another hermaphrodite.

And it's holding a baby in a, in a sheath of wheat in one arm. And in the other arm, it's holding an amphora

with or an urn with a snake on the top of it. And on the bottom is a winged solar disc, which is a symbol

that the Phoenicians and the Egyptians used. And, and it's an occult symbol. Right. And this statue was put

in front of the National Archive in the 1930s. I think it was approved under the Herbert Hoover

administration. And I think Herbert Hoover is like a really dark character in our, in our history.

And the, and their Hoover Institute. And, and so, you know, I took pictures of them on photography,

took pictures of them. And it's always been kind of like a sitting in my, in the back of my

mind trying to figure that stuff out. Well, in the last couple of months, really like in the last

couple of months, I found this book, I, I met this woman who, who figured out all of the things

that were that we've figured out in the 1980s. And she was a Silicon Valley engineer. And she and

her husband moved from Silicon Valley to Idaho. And she started at homeschooling kids. And she's

been homeschooling kids for 30 years. And she built a website called Heritage Dash History.com,

which is to support parents and teachers who want to homeschool children in history. That's what,

and so she's been reading old history books for like 30 years. And I started, she started criticizing

some of the things and comments that I was talking about in the Phoenicians because she knows a lot

more about the Phoenicians than I do. And so we've done a couple of shows where we talk to each other

about the Phoenicians. But I found a book a couple months ago called In Search of the Phoenicians.

I think it's by Josephine Quinn, went to Oxford, she's an archaeologist, she went to Oxford.

And I was reading that book and it helped me identify what the statue is on Constitution Avenue.

So that's a Phoenician child sacrifice statue. It's got a, it's got a, it was put up in the 1930s.

Okay. So for people who think that the Jews run the world, I want to know why the Jews were

putting a Phoenician baby sacrifice statue in front of the National Archives building in the 1930s.

Riddle me that. But the, but the idea is that the, the, the inscription on the bottom says the

heritage of the past is the seed that brings forth the harvest of the future. And what that means is

that if you sacrifice the baby, you're going to get what you ask for. That's what that statue means.

And it's a child sacrifice statue. And once I figured that out, then I started looking at

like the statue of Liberty, the statue of Liberty is a castrated shepherd named Addis, who is part of

the cult of Sibel and Addis. You're going to say, Grammy, we're going to say,

I was going to say Sibel and Addis. Sibel and Addis, right. And again, you have to ask yourself

the question, why are they putting these, why are they putting these things up in our faces? Liberty,

I talk a lot about language. Liberty is a word that if you go to a dinner party and you ask

any 10 Americans sitting around a table, if they can tell you what the difference between the

word Liberty and the word freedom is, most Americans cannot tell you what the difference between

the words are. And I think Liberty is kind of a scam in a lot of ways because it is contingent

on who you're getting the power from. So I wrote a sub stack a couple of days ago on the history

of kind of the architecture of belief. And there was a guy who wrote a Stuart Chase wrote a book

in the 1930s called The Tyranny of Words. And the thing about Liberty is that Liberty means

freedom that has been bestowed on you by somebody who has the power to give it to you.

Right. So somebody who has power over you. And it's different than freedom. Freedom is something

that is internal that you take for yourself. Liberty is something that's external that's bestowed

on you. Right. So I think there's a lot of semantic games that get played with the word Liberty.

And I've done a lot of research on it, but it goes back to Fabius Maxmas who the Fabian Society

named themselves after. Fabius was not only famous for attrition and slow warfare. He was also famous

for epistemological warfare for changing the meaning of words in order to manage populations. He

was really, he was good at that. And that was one of the things that the Romans did to the Greeks.

So I don't know where I'm spurging. So you can have somebody.

I feel like Graham, Graham, you guys should work together because Graham runs a company called

Adult Brain. And they do audiobooks, and they read audiobooks that are out of copyright. Yeah.

I mean, they've done, you know, a fantastic, you know, they actually did. Whereas you had that

you plug it all in chat, GPT. And it gives you You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Bethlehem.

Test test. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's moving really fast. Yeah. No.

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Yeah, if you go to do report books. So I so for the for the 800 plus books I have 1500 word

summaries for three or 400 of the books I have half an hour podcasts and again I don't pretend like

this is the same as reading the book. I don't tell people oh you don't have to read the book.

You know I I don't believe that in any way shape or form but I think that you have to hit

audiences where they are yeah yeah and go ahead. Well I mean when you think about when you went

to a movie you'd see a preview or another movie right so it's kind of like a preview for a book

right you give them enough to to maybe want to read the I mean obviously it's a summary of the whole

thing but still if you want to get well I have a I have a friend that there's different ones that

you can do you could do a two-minute video and what I did an experiment with a friend of my

new owns a bookstore in Reno and I I created a two-minute video on the book two world wars in Hitler

by John O'Dowd and Jim McGregor which I think is like one of the most important books I ever read

and I then I posted it on YouTube on a on a you could publish it on YouTube where it does

it go public but it gives you a URL and then I turned it into a barcode we made we printed the barcode

out on a sticker and we stuck it on the book in the bookstore and so and the book was gone in an hour

in the bookstore so I think that there is a there is a real I think that there's real terrestrial

you know component there is a way to to actually sell real books in the in meat space as it were

yeah by by using this technology but certainly the the the the technology gives clues people

into things that maybe they didn't even have any kind of idea that real people wrote books about

these things yeah yeah and they described they described things that took them a long time to

describe certain things to the paragraphs and the sentences so a summary would be great for that

but that but that view of yours was your black pill kind of cynical view right so what's what's

your more positive you know positive view that's not so you know I don't know dark isn't really

the right word but I'm very optimistic and the reason that I am optimistic is my my my wife is

Catholic we read the Bible every day we read the Old Testament and the New Testament and I'm about

through my third grip because we read every morning and I'm on my third trip of reading it covered

a cover and what I figured when I started learning neuro linguistic programming and when I started

understanding epistemologically how and again epistemology just means how I believe that there's

an epistemological component of the New Testament that most people don't talk about I publish

the story called linguistic Christianity a week or so ago and that is that in a fact-free world

there are ways to figure out what's really going on and the tools to do that are outlined in

the in the sermon on the mount and in the New Testament but they get wrapped in dogma

and so people don't actually wind up learning the important lesson so for example uh and this is

where it starts to get a little technical but and I I figured this out from a guy named E. Michael Jones

Mike who wrote a book called Logos Rising but there's a word logos um and in John 1 1 it says

in the beginning was the logos and the logos was with God and the logos was God okay well

and when it gets translated into English it's in the beginning was the word or Latin in the

beginning was the word um and then you ask well what's the word and people say it's the word of God

and then you say what's the word of God and then you have to get an explanation from a priest and

there's this whole kind of like rigmaral right well logos actually means what we're doing right now

okay logos means using language in order to communicate with other people and to measure and to

figure out truth that's that's what the word essentially what it means um and so if you think about

the idea that John 1 what John 1 1 is saying is that in the beginning was the uh was the ability

to use language in order to discern truth and the ability to use language in order to discern

truth was with God and the ability to use language to discern truth was God um then it winds up

becoming like a self-evident thing and then once once I get to that level then I start looking at

things like uh the you know the the methodology and um again you have to understand what the words

actually means so if you understand that logos is a word that's been mistranslated into English and

Latin then you you understand that what the epistemological effect on the the audiences okay which

is which is believers um and then on top of that um you've got words like meek the meek shall

adhere at the earth uh meek means reserved strength it it doesn't mean carrying or weak or

or or uh soft or hiding in the corner or any of the other kind of like uh connotations that the word has

so um so there's so there's again I write about this on uh I'm not going to bore you with the whole

story that I write on my Christian epistemology story but I think that we're all born with this

and that everybody has it and the the the the weak spot that the oligarchy has is that

they have to work overtime every day to convince everybody that they don't have it and it really is

like the Wizard of Oz uh uh where you know people really do just need to I realized that all they

need to do is click their heels three times and say there's no place like home and understand that

they have the control over it but the entire manifestation of how we frame our reality is

our relationship with words and so uh what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to figure out whatever

the best way is to get people to understand that if they can analyze the language because that's

what neuro linguistic programming really is it's really active listening it's understanding that

when people are talking they're deleting distorting and generalizing all the time everyone

is doing it all the time and that uh if you understand that people are deleting distorting and

generalizing you can you can leverage that in order to figure out what they've deleted what they've

distorted what they've generalized by asking them questions interrogative again this is another

kind of foundational part of the the new testament that gets lost Jesus is asking questions

like he's constantly asking questions and there's a format to the way that the questions are asked

and people like Robert Dillts who's a uh uh a psychologist who wrote uh several books but he's

most famous for a book called the Slight of Mouth uh uh kind of documented all of the patterns

that are used in all the language patterns that are used uh and these things are easily learned by

people but I can teach a class of eighth graders to learn this stuff so would you just see that

everywhere Peter when you have a background in neuro linguistic programming are you sensitive

to it when it's being used on you do you catch the advertisers doing it do you catch the guy you know

is does it just jump out to you oh yeah I mean I've written about it a lot like again if you

understand my anthology about about uh handlers and assets I don't know if Tucker is an asset or a

handler I you know I don't pretend to know but when he does his monologues he starts off using

something that pickup artists call a yes ladder um uh and and it's a psychologist call it a

mere agreement frame um and he's so good at it that he can do it on the fly like I saw him uh like

he was on stage at do in in Dubai a month or two ago and somebody asked him a question and I just

watched him do it in real time where he rapid fire will say 10 or 12 things in 30 or 40 seconds

that whoever it is that is watching him will agree with that is it's and it's a way to kind of

instantly put people into a state of uh it's called rapport you put your audience into rapport um

he's he's really really really good at it um uh I'm I and it but it takes practice right people

you know people have accused me of being a hypnotist I'm not a hypnotist because you have to practice

all the time you know but you can learn to answer your question you can learn to see it the same

way that you can watch a football game and not be a football player like you you know what a down

and out is you know what a pick and roll list you know what a slam dunk is like you know what those

things are sitting in the stands you don't have to be able to do it but uh Stuart Chase and

I had and I had a similar experience Stuart Chase talks about how when he learned he called it

semantics uh when he was doing it in 1938 but once you learn how to recognize it a lot of people

become unlistenable like you can't listen to them anymore so I'm friends with Jack Pasobek I'm

friends with Mike Sternovich okay I was friends with Scott Adams okay and after I started

learning this stuff I could not listen to them anymore like I couldn't I think that's why they

cut out rhetoric from the trivia do we restructure the education system and I always think that they

kept grammar and the wrote memorization they kept logic and critical analysis so when I hear

stem like that's that stuff and they took out rhetoric not because they didn't want us to

influence each other but they didn't want us to recognize when we were being influenced

yeah but I think linguistics is another one and again I think that linguistics has gone through a

huge amount of documentation in the last century that uh if it was ever written down for the public

before uh it it's it's manifest now and it mostly lives in the pickup artist world my my

entree into it was this really like uh lurid book called The Game by Neil Strauss um but it's a

really it's a it's a really good syllabus and kind of uh example of how practical hypnosis works

and if you're married and you're reading that book you need to read it with your wife because

or your husband because they'll wonder they'll they'll get creped out and wonder why you're reading it

so uh monica one of the quotes that you'd scrounged up at one point had to do with the falsely attributed

give me like control of the money supply and I care not who controls the laws yes that it's the

control music yeah um so what what is that and what is it site to um where was it it

it's probably in this book which is a book I'm like kind of summarizing like your AI thing

rhythm riots and revolution it would save me a lot of time if I just did that it uh I think the

original quote was that give me the uh control let me write the songs and I will control society

that sounds like theodore adorno i think it might have been older than that like okay either

medieval or ancient uh but it doesn't mean that it's not it hasn't been adopted yet could have been

princess bacon yeah i mean it could have been i just i feel like it was plato or spinoza or

something but what are you well i'll find it while we're talking but tease why are you thinking

about that just because i mean like uh peter you're break down of the various different power

structures than the dynamics by which they go about subverting any conscious awareness playing

with a subconscious in order to impregnate us and then like to quote a j z line uh impregnate the

world when i come through these speakers that's basically how this whole thing works they're out

doing b-52 buccacchi over the middle east right now when everybody's fallen on their knees that's

what we got happening it's a one big dick tease so that's when you use the washington monument as

an appropriate metaphor for the american empire and how it's currently fucking everybody in the ass

it is a giant penis yeah that's what i just said because that's what it is it's kind of hilarious yeah

so uh when you get into the scaffolding of how people typically view things it's more from like

a left hemisphere point at this or that sort of mentality when you get into what esoteric

sense of them actually is it's the pragmat pragmatic means by which you go about impregnating human

beings absent their conscious awareness of what the fuck is going on if you get into the uh study

of theosathy which people typically just uh bastardized because of its various different um like

falsehoods you know like antibassant uh the lucis trust all that kind of stuff gets pretty murky

and shady but that's not actually the study the study is esoteric buddhism esoteric buddhism goes beyond

what the bible introduces you to to the metaphysical sort of angelic hierarchy and scaffolding of the

mystical faculties that were all deeply entwined with so a simple way of understanding that would be

if you took sacred geometry as the basic of the mathematical structure of which everything comes to

incarnate in and then you look at like dr. remoto's work of when we take our conscious attention

and we focus that on something you will see that mirrored in the geometry that emerges in water okay

and then you can move from that to simatics which is that when you apply songs as we mentioned before

then you're getting people to dance to attune that they don't understand because they're not to

attune to the mathematics let alone the various different dynamics by which that would come to

impregnate our thoughts our beliefs the way in which you've thus far approached it and at a certain

point someone literally has to do the inner work in order to be able to understand anything that I

just fucking said because if you walk up to someone who doesn't already have this understanding in their

head then they're basically just going to dirt to dirt to dirt to dirt like you're dirt and with

curb and then they're never going to get past that map bracket and so we're kind of at a point where

the profane are starting to figure out how to point at different things but they're not at the

point of understanding that there's this deeper mesh of impregnation beyond their very comprehension

and that's when you have to get into like the system dynamics of understanding the precursor

to the word being colors and musics and the musics of the spheres and the various different overlaps

of the gigantic clock that we live in that is the Vedic astrological model and so the the esoteric

blueprint that we've inherited this current juncture and time is what did they want to create

in the sacrificing of children by one means or another to then create a different trajectory

for the species altogether? Well what Josephine Quinn reveals in her book in search of the Phoenicians is

that there are these things called taffit circles which are the it's what remains of the cults

and they found these archaeological digs in North Africa in Sardinia in Malta and Sicily and

they have they manifest themselves as a bunch of urns that are filled with the remains of burned

infants that are buried in a circle so sometimes hundreds of them and usually there's a ceremonial

urn in the middle and it's weird because I was watching a YouTube video the other day and I lived

this in island 20 miles behind me and I live in southern California and there was a guy in 1928 named

Ralph Glidden who unearthed a a 64 the remains of 64 infants buried in a circle with an urn in the

middle of it in 1928 which is weird because that puts the Phoenicians in southern California and

like 1000 BC sidebar but a taffit circle on top of the urns they have these things called stele they

look like like tombstones and instead of the inscriptions on them this woman Josephine Quinn

translated I think like 700 of them and what she discovered is that there are receipts they're

like the receipts that you get at Costco so instead of saying you know we lost our poor child in

you know this terrible situation it's like we gave this child and we got back this crop or we

gave this child and we got back this bounty from you know a a a a mission that we went on so

they're basically receipts they're they're cash register receipts that are marking the the

bodies of dead children so that that's what we know now at this point no that's awesome and I

guess what I'm saying is that it's not so much a direct linear passing of knowledge from one

person to another so much as it is an emergent phenomena from within the quintessence of the

driving motivation of each individual and how psychopaths will in essence convene or converge

together in order to dominate and determine the future outcomes of the population at the bottom

and so it's like that's when you get into it not being necessary because you were talking about like

uh this uh dissociative identity and cathodial brine and I've got to find one of the bugs that I

have here somewhere if I can but I recommend often um yeah hold on I have a whole section of

this books on my website so it's on yet uh no yeah so this is what a best one I found as far as

like a comprehensive overview mk ultra ritual abuse and mind control tools of domination for the

nameless religion it's very important to understand the nameless religion that's also the old religion

at a certain point there are not words for this thing it is the force of evolution that emerges

from within someone which will then bind them completely separate on another side of the planet

by the morphogenetic field of the species at large so they're actually fucking with the emotional

state to impregnate at the discretion of all the various different vices with jr amped up through

our devices and that's how it really works but then we'll go out there and be like it's this name

it's this people it's this it's that it's and that's all true but ultimately there's this

back end that is much different than we would conceive of it much akin to how you know cattle

makers would never be able to conceive of electricity now think of electricity and water

primarily that's what human beings are so if you understand the scaffolding of how to build sacred

geometry you know look around us were literally existing in metaphysical cages because everything is

a square well then you understand how to keep people from circling that square they are literally

in a place where they are not capable of escaping the cage the plateaus cave that is the very

definition of who they identify themselves to be and if you try and speak ill of it well then

they just spit in your face like camels and then they smoke one to walk off into the horizon

it's it's it's a nightmare man or they laugh I think Michael Hoffman calls it truth or consequences

right yeah that's true it's basically a reward structure that everyone falls into based on

whatever their desire is and that's where we are at in the this bracket of humans consciousness

we have to get past our desires that's what everyone keeps getting tripped up by over and over

again and longer we do that we're always going to be subject either to something externally

which is giving us our notion of liberty or we're going to be cutting ourselves at the tendons so

that we aren't able to reach something beyond our present margins it's like our desires are the

devil there's like there's the saying the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the

world he didn't exist I disagree with that I think the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was

convincing himself he's not the devil that is all of our obstacles yeah I mean one of the things

that I'm reminded of though because I've been reading a book called The Art of Memory by Francis

Yates and one of the points that she makes in that book is that before the materials that we

had to write things down were available humanity had a variety of different ways that they could

remember things across time and and time winds up becoming a very important component in being

also because humans are the only ones that can use language in order to kind of differentiate

the past in the future and the the point that she makes in the book though is that when when

writing became kind of democratized a lot of those methods for remembering things over generations

that didn't they're required kind of intergenerational training memory training were lost and

one of the things that I've been thinking about lately is that I believe that the people who control

the world probably never lost that skill they're probably there there there probably is

at the core a group of people who have been passing on secrets for millennia and and they're using

mechanisms that are millennia old mechanisms for being able to remember that stuff true I guess

what I'm saying is that at a certain point it literally just pops out of them it isn't even

necessarily anything that they so in the same thing with like mystical faculties you can literally

just sit back if you're good at it because anyone who's clairvoyant or or actually legitimately

good at this stuff not the posters not the pretenders not the like the shields the people who

graph themselves to it which always happens anytime that there's an emergent of the legitimate

phenomena all of the darkness jumps on it to try and make it so that people aren't able to get to

the light but when that's actually going on and you can look at like Charlie's experiences with

Bufu ceremony if there's book back I need to be keep better track but it's about shamanism

and it literally goes into like a shared trip that shaman's had together about like

there was this dude who was visiting them in the jungle and he was sitting in on the trip that

they were doing at the ayahuasca and they all came out of the trip and like four or five of the

shaman's looked at the dude and like we're really sorry to hear about your friend man and a couple

of days later they learned that he just died so there is this thing that they tap into collectively

via faculties that are not available to humanity because we don't do the inner work to get past the

devil that we are and so those people who attune themselves to that devilish nature the adversary

will ultimately just fall in line with it and it'll just come out of them they don't even have

to learn about it at a certain point they think that they're the genius who came up with it but once

again and pregnant the world when I come through these speakers that's the language that they're

speaking and we don't know what we're here isn't because they then know that it's possible and then

after that they then think you know I think the impossible tells us what's possible based on what

we're able to receive at any given moment and so it's a trajectory of ascension relative to where

every different person is at in their progression so based on whether you're ready to handle it or not

yeah yeah like if they so if you you're not going to get something too early you're going to get it

exactly when you need it that's how this works and so a lot of people are banging their head

against the wall try taking a step to the left of the right you know work your way out of the

labyrinth it's one of those things where maybe it's a time thing that's why Peter your note on time

is really important and uh uh it's basically I'll find it in a minute but if you get into the idea

of non-linear time that's that's what they're using it's really just like we can't even conceive of

it and that's what you start and get to the idea that this thing isn't even human whether it's a

machine you can get into the idea of like simulation theory digital physics blah blah I don't buy into

that I think it's like a shared dream on a different dimension of consciousness similar to what we

would identify as machine elves it's like that level of shit that then determines almost like

what manifests in this realm I don't know Charlie's like a big psychic Alex dude I don't know if you

want to just go off and riff on that whole thing I'm unqualified still with even with what I've seen

to to pretend to have any sort of understanding of how it all works it's just to pay above my

pay grade big time I it feels like it makes sense to the universe I'll allow the universe to do

its thing and I'll get out of the way and take my ego out of it as much as I can but yeah there's

something there it's just it's a mystery it's it's it's a pleasure and a privilege to be able to

want to to contemplate it you know to be alive and to be able to think about time and think about

you know that concept of a flat circle of time and you go okay I'm going to need more mushrooms

for that one and I've been there with Charlie after he's trips he's a blubbering baby of the

utmost delight who's just like high on life so yeah please please please explore that and the

book I was talking about is this the labyrinth of time that touches on various different by Anthony

Peak and he's done good work man if you get into stuff he actually almost bridges the divide

between esotericism and the way in which we conventionally think with things so that people can

begin to even fucking conceive of this shit because it's like if you don't already know it I just

said a bunch of gibberish but then when you know it you're like oh okay yeah that's all these

different books that actually stack up in this particular curve staircase if you know what I mean

I'm just trying to get people to know the difference between liberty and freedom

that's a good start listen you we got to get them off zero right right because if we if we don't

get a move in one way or another there's you know if as Terrence McKenna said if you don't have a

plan you become part of somebody else's plan and I think as you saw on January 6th

yeah you you you you're you didn't have a plan in the sense that you weren't there a part of

some agenda but the agenda finds you so Rick here we ready to wrap this baby up I know Alex

Joined late Alex I know I want to get Alex in here got any questions on I know that some of

these happy to be here he's wanted to join on at the end I'm sorry about the delay early in the

day but no it's it's a pleasure to hear from you Peter Mr. Duke and you know I just I just

actually just finished Hoffman's twilight language maybe like a month ago and I what you know

obviously joining late I don't know if you had touched upon that or if this is kind of all part

of the arching conversation more broadly no I I just mentioned that in one at one point but you

know Michael Hopkins an important guy like he's he's written a lot of important stuff and I think

that I've written I think I've read secret societies and psychological warfare five times now

because it's just one of these books it's it's got it's so dense I you read two pages and then you

put the book down and then you have to go for a walk and kind of take it in but eventually it winds

up kind of like rolling yeah there you go Monica it's like it's a it's a it's a it's a a world

twister but yeah and I took four pages of that book because I thought it was a really important

concept there's a article that I wrote on my on my substack I use GPT to help me where I basically

took four pages where he talks about just the truth or consequences idea and I made it into an

article because you know one of the things I I love Hoffman but he he writes at a level that most

people aren't going to be able to manage and I think that his stuff is super important for people

to understand and so you know that's one of those things where I think that you know somebody could

make a whole that there's probably he's not he he the other guy who is on the who was on the

call a Graham sorry oh I was just saying Graham Graham Graham Graham is probably a person

who want to say this to but like there's a whole there's a whole publishing company that just takes

people's obtuse but important ideas and puts them in English you know so that so that people

can understand it and that's kind of what I'm trying to do at the duke report with the resources

that I've got but you know there's a lot of important ideas out there that people don't understand

and I understand you know I read Michael Hoffman with the dictionary because it's different

and I don't think I'm a dumb guy you know it's like oh you need it yeah Alex what what attracted you

to the book and why why did you want to pick it up and read it just for listeners who are maybe

you know hearing us discuss it and uh thinking for themselves about maybe grabbing it

well just um it was just happen stance I was here in the studio working and I had uh

I had karmetska on the background and he dropped it uh named dropped so it was convenient to kind

of check into and once I read kind of the uh synopsis of the the broader conversation I'm like

this is everything that's this is mapping everything that's calling on right now

yeah it's awesome that people are age or younger still buy books did you did you buy it or did you

oh yeah yeah I have I have like a thousand books here in my house so

this is heritage history was Michael Hoffman's children's homeschool history teacher

really yeah whoa

Peter have you read the occult renaissance church of Rome yes that's yeah it was difficult

to penetrate and I was also a little nervous that when they started rounding people up for the

books that are on their shelves I moved that away from the wait wait wait wait wait tell me about

that though I it just I think I just opened it up at random and it said something about um you

know the forces of evil that penetrated the Catholic church like in 1200 and still ran it and

the Vatican II is nothing compared to what's really going on maybe it was kabbala stuff I

I was like geez I don't know if I want to know this like I have enough scales to fall enough

off my eyes I'm not sure I'm ready for that uh but I might go back and read it I might go

back again but I just thought I think that truth is too too yeah my my wife is Catholic and she

read it yeah Catholic and I was like yeah she finished reading she well we you should you should

do a show with my wife and you guys could talk about we have to I have to read that book so

being a couple of years but it is it's dense this is it's like five times the size of this

wait Peter or do you know Monica because she yeah okay Monica was the fire burned everything

up to her doors yeah I'm in all to Dina okay and I said the rosary and I just like watch my entire

everything just burned down around me like but mom not everything so all of my neighbors was saved

and that's right right well I I lived in the palisades and I wasn't so lucky so no I'm sorry

about that I don't know how to deal with people who have lost their houses because I didn't and I

was I complained about how fucked up it is to live here now but it's too much worse I didn't have a

house yeah you know I'm circumspect about it I we my wife and I landed in Oxnard and we live on

the beach and it's it's a really weird Star Wars neighborhood because there's a navy base right

behind us yeah no I know Oxnard so we so I hear I hear I hear Reveley at eight o'clock and I hear

taps at at sundown and the black hawks are always flying over and there's weird

uh she keyed a bananas so you know united fruit has their ships that come in every day and so it's

it's a it's a they didn't change that they didn't change their front operation yet I feel like I

live in the Star Wars universe still the banana republic yeah yeah no we have a lot I a lot of

what you're saying is resonating with me but I would like to talk to you right about that because

it's you know there's a lot when you're cat like you have to be like yes I understand the

Pope drinks baby's blood like that's not I'm not you know I don't drink baby's blood uh the

church is the people and whatever so it's a little hard to defend um sometimes but I'm going

to I'm going to venture back into the Michael Hoffman stuff I was a little scared of it yeah well

if you if you want yeah if you want some coaching I'm sure she'll be happy to talk to you about

yeah I would love it that would be fantastic because I do that's what I do and I'll I'll use

this to say goodbye how about that Charlie yeah Monica do that wrap up with tell everybody where

you are and what you're working on so it's my name is Monica Perez the Monica Perez show wherever

Twitter sub stack um and just any place listen to podcasts and I just brought that the fire

actually threw me off so much that I haven't really done any kind of solo shows in a year but I'm back

to doing news flashes and newsreels and that's that's good and I try to do it from a perspective of

morality and liberty but I'm not sure I know truly the difference between liberty and freedom so

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sponsored by chamba casino but right now I'm also reading and like consolidating this book rhythm

riots and revolution this is also one that I think is just has a lot of propaganda in it that's

like highly offensive but it's so interesting because it talks about the soviet the soviet

studying how music can manipulate an entire society and just to tell teeth it is Andrew Fletcher

let me make the songs of a nation and I care not who makes its laws he's Scottish from

who's born in 1653 and it also said it is often attributed to Plato but it cannot be found in his writings

so thank you very much it was wonderful to meet you nice to meet you awesome Alex we will take

you for what we could get of you how about that where can people find you what are you working on

what's going on yeah pardon will live oh yeah so pardon will live every Sunday night we're on a bit

about how he is coming back in the fall which is you know unfortunate because we're going to know

we're three starting so plenty to talk about but yeah I'll be at the grand rapids and may

will overtare a national convention on behalf of my state of Connecticut and doing a few

solo and traveling exhibits right now all across the the eastern seaboard

Peter it was a great it was a pleasure talking to you and hearing from you and thank you for all

your great work thank you thank you if you guys ever need anything I'm always available

excellent thanks so much a tease I saw you've been cutting up footage I haven't watched the

same triple E clip yet but I'm going to I just send it to myself so yeah sure so for anyone who

doesn't know I'm basically trying to create the media that you can give to your friends and

family to get them down this road without drowning them all that while it's because of just how

overwhelming it can be so part of that is the documentary series conspiracy synergy conspiracy

synergy dot com one of them is on this wonderful bold gentleman Charlie Robinson another one is

on mark passio Derek bros herbohamoric Graham who was here and Darren his co-host and then there's

another one that I'm missing oh yeah and last American bag of on to Ryan Christian and that's

what the clip that I uploaded today was of a conversation between Sam Tripoli and Charlie about

the nature of conspiracy whether or not it's going to go mainstream talking about what it is to

exist in this ecosystem and to try and appeal to our fellow men and so really it is basically just

trying to distill all of this information to something that the average person can understand

because unless we're able to get them moving there is going to be no movement and so that is

really fundamentally what I'm about and that's why I actually have and I'm familiar with Peter's

work he's on the list of one of the best people in the alternate media because it's like yeah it's

like it's kind of self-evident so it's one of those things when you get the real deal people

in the room then you're able to move past the quagmires that so many people have been

roped up in Peter if you aren't familiar with it yet check out mind unveiled he did a really great

breakdown of the Candace Owens thing just this errates it gets into the secret society's

entwinements and the various different like who her husband is black eye club all of the

different like it's really great so that's one of those things where we're all learning together

thank you all so much for doing what you do conspiracy center gg.com now here's Ricky me

peace you're the best thank you so much well peter let's let's have you

make sure you tell everybody where they can find you where where people can

all right but the duke report dot com is where my sub stack is the you there links to everything

at the duke report dot com but if you go to duke report books dot com you can find like I said

almost 900 books with 1500 word summaries links to where to get the books if there's a video I

know that Charlie when for example when you did your book you went on a two a junket and you

went and talked to a bunch of people and there's videos where you talk about your book so I put all

of the videos for the book so so I have a 1500 word summary and then I have all of the videos of

the author for and and then a 30 minute podcast where they talk about the book in a six to eight

minute video explainer usually not not not in every book where they talk about the book so for

people who are trying to wake up and figure out where to start I'd I just try to give people a

place to start you know and and I and I have a book on Amazon I did a book a couple of years ago

called stealth power in the illusion of democracy where I took all of the cultural references out of

the protocols of the learned elders of Zion and I put it out as a kind of a generic version of the

of the protocols kind of a rule book book on how to take over the world and that's available on

because I didn't break any rules how and and yeah so stealth power in the illusion of

democracy it's available on Amazon that's it wow that's fantastic man there was a time when if you

put covid and anywhere in the book title or subtitle on Amazon that was like well well here's

the deal I I designed the online education system for the show a foundation institute when I

work for Steven Spielberg okay so I figured I could get away with it yeah yeah yeah that's true

you get a pass right you're you're fine right you do it it's it's it's hard to make me out to be

an Aussie the the New York Times called me the Annie Lee Woods of the alt-right and they tried to

call pretty good that's pretty close that's almost a compliment I mean there's a compliment I took

it as a compliment it but the Nazi thing doesn't stick on me very well yeah it's all right but they

also told it said that you were a fantastic photographer by by reference though indeed indeed

I was that uh well as mentioned Graham Dunlop from Grimerica was here he had to drop off earlier you

can go to uh adultbrain.ca and find out all about their their books I had them do the audio

books for the octopus of global control and hypocrisy so I love it I love them they're great go

check out their books and support them Ricky what are you working on now here's Ricky now here's

Ricky I just released Peter and I's first conversation we did a two-parter because the first time

he came on we got delayed by some computer issues that I had so and then I felt like we barely

scratched the surface so as you guys I think we're all learning to understand why

so and then we talked for another two hours of the following day so part one's out the audio

and videos out everywhere and then the part two should be out another day or two so keep a look

out for that of course you can find all that at the ripple effect podcast.com and as you guys I'm

sure no by now I am back on YouTube so for the time being you can find the videos also on YouTube

but it's also a bit shoot which we've talked about before support these other great alternative

platforms like bit shoot Odyssey go ahead oh no I'm you have lovely boys Ricky I have to say

because I say too all the time but also we have we're having Corbett on AM wake up this Wednesday

so we already did the pre-record so if you want to interrogate James Corbett that's rumble AM

wake up this Wednesday sorry forgot that part that's a good plug yeah awesome and I'll try to get

this the video and audio out of this before that so people are notified before not after so

I'll I'll do my best yeah Sam Tripoli.com go check out Sam go catch him live doing stand-up this summer

make a special trip to to see him if you can midnight mike obdm our big dumb mouth podcast the

funniest show in the world I promise but he'll tell you you got to listen to two episodes

Utah give me two you got to do two uh or else you you'll hate it otherwise

and check out doom scrolling and check out doom scrolling too sort of a hybrid uh Sam and Mike

they had they had me on Ricky we we mentioned that that we need we were missing you

oh like I was cheating I felt like I was cheating on you to be honest with on there without you

but we got over that pretty quick macro aggressions.io is get everything I'm working on you

go to activistboast.com and find out about the goings-on in the news uh my macro aggressions episode

this week I have Michael Lush the founder of Replace Your Mortgage and he's got a bank killer for

people you got a mortgage he's got uh he you might want to talk to this guy he can get you out of

that and do something that much better so anyway thanks everybody good to see you thanks Ricky

yeah you know so far I've been Ricky hey thanks everybody out hopefully next week we'll

do a live and uh we can have you guys back thanks guys have a great night

good night good night thanks for having me