US Open Day 5 - Is Coco Gauff the title favourite?

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1:00Learn how ServiceNow puts AI to work for people at servicenow.com. Hello and welcome to the tennis podcast recording tonight alongside the Player Practice Courts on what has been a pretty thrilling day five of the US Open. I'm Catherine Middiger. Alongside David Law and Matt Roberts, as always, together we are the tennis podcast here in New York to bring you daily shows from the US Open and all four majors of the tennis season. It is shortly before 10 p.m. As we record the majority of this show and it's still outrageously humid as it has been all day here in New York. There are still a couple of matches still to be completed and rest assured. We will be back in part three to cover off top seed Alexander Zvarov taking on contact at least on Ash and Elena Rebakken is latest fitness test

2:00against Jessica Boothas. Maniero that it's about to kick off on Armstrong in the first match on Ash tonight. We saw tournament favorite Coco Goff come through a battle, a big battle against former world number two, powerlup Badossa 6476. Matt, you were up in the stands for this. You described it as a vibe. It was a vibe, particularly after the match actually, when everyone was high on the Coco Goff win and then there was a pride night light show which I did find myself thinking, God, this is good. This is a vibe. They are playing some absolute bangers, but then I caught myself and was like, oh, it is also fath. It's really pulling me in different directions. It is tough when the fath is good. Yeah, it's really good fath. Why is it happening at 10 p.m.? And we've got a best of five set match to come. I want to be able to enjoy this, but it's competing with... You're a gender. It says... Do it at 7 p.m.

3:01There was three hours of intentionally blank. There's time for the fun light show and the bangers, and the time is not 10 p.m. But I'm glad he had a good time. Did Coco Goff have a good time? How good did she need to be to beat Paola Badossa tonight? Yeah, and I'm interested in your takes on this, having seen it from a different vantage point to me. I thought it was a really good match. I really enjoyed this one. And... But Doza came out firing, you know, middling the ball, really going after her shots and was putting Coco Goff under pressure, repeatedly on serve in the early stages. And Goff was rising to that pressure and holding firm, and then Goff was the one who actually got the first break, and won the first set, and went up a break in the second, and seems to have the match under total control, really, playing well, I thought, without being absolutely incredible. But then a couple more occasions, whether Doza just went for broke and broke back once,

4:05and then got broken and then broke back again, just going after it on the return, and really did hook Goff under pressure there, and she had to rise to it. And I think you could see from her action after she got through that second set tie break, just how much she was pushed today, and how close this match was to going to a deciding set. And overall, I thought pretty good performance from Goff. You know, her numbers were very clean in terms of, you know, decent, you know, a similar number of winners and unforced errors, put under a lot of pressure from an opponent who has played well against her in the past. She talked about some nerves with... playing that night session again, and, you know, bearing in mind all of that, this early in the tournament, to be pushed that hard in a set, I think Goff did well to come through it in straight sets. Especially given, we'd think, she might be struggling just a little bit with some kind of illness, a cold, maybe.

5:06Yeah, that's what she was overheard saying, gone the TV broadcast. It was picked up by the commentators. She was overheard saying that to the communications staff representative who would have been organising her next couple of hours press conferences, one-to-one TV interviews, etc. She did her interview with Chris U-Banks on the court. No discussion of that, but I did sort of look at her and think, she is a bit glaze over, you know, she does look a little bit under the weather here. Don't think it affected her performance in a sort of visible way, and to answer your question about our vantage point, I thought she played really well, and I think she was pushed to the limit by an opponent who has got truly destructive, withering power when she connects and lands properly. And I felt this was on a bit of an eye-fetch when she went into that tie break, so I can say, because we didn't expect one to come. She's a set in a break up. I'm expecting her to close this out.

6:08And when she goes into a tie break, you know, what if she'd have lost that tie break? Suddenly you could have had Badosa just put in the foot down if Gough is feeling a bit under the weather. We could have been sitting in deep in a third set right now with a bad situation for Coco Gough. So I think this is a huge win for her, because there's a lot of opponents that just won't give her that degree of challenge, I think. Yeah, I suppose what I felt was that the moments Badosa got the breaks back in the second set. To me, it was like she was having to kind of red line. Yeah. And I just always thought that that would be really hard to sustain. It's one of Coco Gough's greatest strengths the way she forces you to be so accurate and consistent and relentless with your attack if she's playing as she was tonight, where the game wasn't breaking down. It was really solid and she can use that blend, you know, decent attack, but also just amazing defense and retrieval and just put you under pressure to hit the lines.

7:09And Badosa did a really good job of doing that enough to make the set close, but I didn't feel like Badosa really was likely to be able to fully sustain that form all the way through, which was what it was requiring to beat Gough tonight. We've seen pretty much everybody play too much now, just Elena Rabakiner to go and recover off her in part three. Is she still the tournament favourite for both of you on the basis of what we've seen? Yes, I think so, because I think she's had a tougher draw than some of the other top players. And she's passed both tests and straight sets. But I was kind of expecting everyone to get through these rounds. I wasn't expecting to learn too much, I suppose, in these early stages with all these top WTA players. So no reason for me to have changed my mind, I suppose. Yeah, I feel the same.

8:10As long as that cold doesn't inhibit her ability to perform at a top level, as long as it doesn't get much worse, if she continues playing like this, I still think that the fact that she's had a tough run of the opponents could end up benefiting her because she's still handling them. Is Naomi Osaka in your mix for this title, David? She, Katrinis Nihaka, today, 6257, 6'1, comfortable in the end. She did serve for the match at 5'3", in the second set, ended up losing four games in a row. Is Nihaka then goes off court, and the air kind of came out of the match at that point. As soon as she returned, Osaka really refocused and shed the nerves, I think, which seemed to be affecting her. She talked in press after the match about battling against perfectionism, which is one of the tennis player bear traps, isn't she, said I was wanting to be perfect out there. And that's the irony of tennis, isn't it?

9:12They all are perfectionists in a sport where, well, in a world and a life where perfection is completely impossible. How convinced have you been by what you've seen? She's a two-time former champion. She is coming in here in some form, in better form. Well, I suppose she came in here of the back of a final last year, too. But I know how... Are you convinced to the point where you'd put her in the mix? Yes, I would, but it's quite a big mix, and I would put her at the bottom end of it. I don't feel that she is one of the favourites, and yet I still wouldn't be surprised if she ended up finding form that doesn't have these little detours, because I think the manner in which she's dropping off and letting opponents back in would alarm me. If I were her and her team. And she needs to... She won't win the title if that carries on, but I still think she's somebody with such a high ceiling, and we're seeing it in flashes. She's won it before, so I would still have her in the mix.

10:16I think she's just outside the mix for me. I think I would be surprised if Nomeo Sarka won this USO, but not sure on the floor shocked, but that is our metric for the mix. And I do think I would be surprised still, Matt, how do you feel? I think I'm just with David. Like, I think I had her in before the tournament. That confidence has been shaken a little bit by how she's come out playing. You know, we hadn't seen her for a couple of weeks, had she? Because she didn't play Cincinnati, and she's looked not quite at her best, you know, in the two matches, as you said, had leads, let players back in. It feels like she might be a bit of a victim of... Sorry to always be banging this drum, but the two-week masters, because it's now too much to play... If you go deep in both, it's basically too much to play both Canada and Cincinnati, but it's too long a gap to play Canada go deep as she did,

11:17and then not play until the US Open, and neither scenario really optimises you for the US Open, and big events as they are in themselves, for all the top players, the ultimate goal is getting in prime shape for the Grand Slam at the end of it. Yeah, no, I think that's a great point. And one thing that kind of encouraged me, I suppose, from her press conference today, I liked her answer. It was really interesting, where she talked about the fact now that she's fitter and feeling stronger in terms of her movement. She says she sometimes does laps into waiting for her opponent, and responding to them, because she can now, because she can fall back on that, but she was like, what I need to do more is push myself and be the one taking the initiative. And to me, she's not going to win this tournament by being in the mode where she's waiting for her opponent. I think it's great string to have to her bow, and I think it's helped raise her floor in this last year or so,

12:19that she's got that movement back. But, you know, Naomi Osaka, I think, if she's going to win this, it's going to be with the sort of performance we saw against Sabile Enkut, Wimwood, and big serving front foot tennis. And if she's got that in her mind, that's her goal for the rest of the tournament. And that's a good sign, I think. But to me, she's also more vulnerable to lose any match than the ones I really do put at the top of the mix. You know, like, I think, Gough and Shviontech and those players are more upset proof. And I think, I think Osaka's shown in the first two rounds, there's a bit more unruly to there. Amanda and I some over, mix question mark. She beat Lily Tagger today, 636-661. Really, really put Matt through it on Grandstand. It was always going to be sweaty, Matt, regardless of how the match played out, just because no shade on Grandstand and heat of the day, and my goodness me, it has been a...

13:22I mean, it's felt like you've been stepping outside, it's like stepping into a shower in New York today. Is Amanda and I some over in the mix? Can you resist putting her in the mix? I'm still going to just say no, because... Are you more tempted? I'm always tempted. But she's based on the couple of appearances you've seen. I mean, that was a really good match. It was a good match. She played well. I really enjoyed what I saw of that match. I didn't see all of it like you, but are you looking at her level and thinking, Craig, we're really going on an upward trajectory here. Yeah, I think the level is really encouraging. I think what's stopping me is the sheer number of players who are still left in this draw, and that, likely, in this moment, is going to have to string together several good wins. And I just think there's still a bit too much of a hitch on the forehand,

14:22a bit too much of a tendency to lose her way in a match that she just hasn't ironed out through the year, because she's just not done as much winning as she did last year. So I don't really have the confidence that she's going to be able to have three great wins here to win the tournament, but I do think she might have one or two, and she's looking dangerous again, and terrible start to this match against Lily Taggers. Lost the first seven points, went down a break, and I was thinking, oh my goodness, is it, is it going to be one of those performances? But she settled quickly after that, and was absolutely dominating. One, the first set pretty easily in the end, was up a break, and the second had points to go up a double break, and didn't take them, and got broken by a point that, like, if that had happened to me, I just would have never recovered in a match. Lily Taggers shanked a return, and it went so high up in the air, and landed in, and anissom over lost the point by then approaching,

15:24and Tagger hitting a net-cord winner. LAUGHTER Like, imagine that happening to you, and then the next point, anissom over double-faults, and I was like, what, of course, like, the baggage from that happening to you, and that just seemed to linger for a little bit, that negative energy, and Tagger really up to a game, and played really nicely in the second set, and it felt on an eye-face going into the third, but anissom over went off court, and put herself back in the position, she'd been in the second set, up a break, points to go up a double break, and this time she converted, and that just calmed her down, and settled things, and yeah, she sort of, you know, it was a lovely match to watch, that the best backhand on tour against the single-hander, that everyone's talking about, and there were moments where the Tagger backhand did deliver. I think she needs more of a slice, Tagger. It's a bit floaty. I'd like to see that get a bit more naft, but it's actually Tagger's forehand, which is her big or weapons.

16:24She can pull people off the court with that, and she showed a lot of promise and fought well, but anissom over had more firepower and greater weight of shot, and managed to stay calm in the big moments in the third set, and came through it, and yeah, she's looking good. It's Potter Pover next, Francesom Mover. It is Bookshanext for Goff, and it is Elisabeth Merton's next for Nomiya Sarka. That's a real one to circle, I think, a Sarka against Merton. You mentioned Shvilentek, not a whole lot to report from her today, 6362, comfortable, as you like against Nadia Podoroska. She's got Marie Buzkiver next, not so comfortable for Madison Keys. Tell me about this. 5764, 766 against Anabonda, saving four match points and coming from five to down in the deciding set. I mean, talk about things that normal human beings

17:26wouldn't be able to come back from, and to be fair, Anabonda didn't come back from this in the match. I hope she bounces back in life, but a shanked forehand from Madison Keys on the first of the four match points. Oh, that one. It was the middle of them, actually. She'd already put on the pressure. There were two incredible spurts from Keys that ultimately won this match, but first thing to say is Bondar just played so well. She constructed things so well and made life a nightmare for Keys. She gets her right where she wants her. Keys has a good old... Just decides to go for broke, basically, when she was down. But still, this succession of match points came for Bondar. I think it was the second of the four in a game that she had, where Keys is just teeing off.

18:29Just teeing off with every shot. She forces a real moon ball on the defence from Bondar. And Keys has already decided, I'm going to hit the living daylight out of this, basically on the rise. So she runs in towards this moon ball. It bounces a pain. She still throws everything she's got into this forehand and shanks it. It sort of feels like it's hit both sides of the frame. But she said it's so hard that it's gone off at this weird cross-core angle. And it's pretty much hit the sideline where the service line is. Clean winner. And you know, you're watching this thing, that looks incredible. The crowd are going wild, but that was lucky. That was lucky. She just carried on swinging. And she just sort of wrestled the match away from Bondar. But she didn't put her away immediately. That was the fascinating thing. You know, like that got her to sort of five all in the deciding set.

19:34And you think, okay, well Bondar's just going to choke now. She didn't. She hold onto a serve. Got into the tie break, which the ten point tie break took a healthy advantage in that. She's like five one up against Keys in the tie break. And then Keys just turned it around, which is just the most fearless looking hitting. I'm sure she wasn't fearless, but it was daredevil stuff, wasn't it Catherine? It was a wonderful, wonderful match. I left it for an terribly sorry friend of Bondar. And yet you couldn't help but love the way that Keys didn't give up. Kept on swinging. She knows that she was a little bit fortunate here. And she took the mick out of her own mishits on that forehand in the interview afterwards. But yeah, she, you know, talk about her in nine lives. She's used one of them there. Yeah, it's lived by the sword, died by the sword, isn't it? And that is how she won her Australian Open. Like more often than not, it's died by the sword. There's a reason why that tennis is considered risky, right? Sometimes it pays off a lot of the time it doesn't.

20:36Chances are she's going to come unstuck. But if she ever is going to win a slam again or go deep again, it will be playing this kind of tennis, this casino tennis. She does come up against Junction when? So yeah, the next round is a match I'm looking forward to. Ward a story. She is at this tournament. She's come through qualifying. She's former established top 10 player, reigning Olympic gold medalist, Beat Eagish Fiontec, at Roland Garros to win that gold medal. When Eagish Fiontec felt totally unbeatable on that court. And she's had elbow surgery in about a year ago, just under a year ago. And it has been a rocky road back to... Well, she's ranked outside the world's top 200, not even to the top again, and rocky road back to just being a professional tennis player. She is into the third round here having won three qualifying.

21:39So that's five match wins. I know you want to talk about the match today, which we absolutely should. 6426. Six-one against Julia Putin-Saver, a matter of fact, that had a bit of everything. It had Schoon Anagins, which are on the rise in tennis, folks. And it also had retaliatory Schoon Anagins, which I think might be a first. Thank you, Julia Putin-Saver, for your service. And thank you to Hannah Wilkes, who's part of our team, who is keeping us abreast of this match and resulted in me going out to court side, because there were reports of so much aggro happening in this match. And yeah, they were both losing their mind with the umpire, Damien Duma-Swa, they were both accusing him of bias. Both players. You've got to laugh, haven't you? And both, sort of, you're always against me type of thing. As you say, there were complaints about shoes. Putin-Saver was getting really irate with the crowd

22:41that were there supporting Junqin-Wen. I mean, when I arrived out there, it was all very serene, because Putin-Saver was winning quite comfortably in the second set. And to be honest, Junqin-Wen couldn't have been a bad door. She was just... It was kind of like, if she didn't hit a winner in two shots, she was bailing out of it. She knew the set was gone. There was a long delay at the end of the second set for bathroom breaks, etc. Junqin-Wen came back a different player. She showed the difference in level between these two players. She played immaculately in that third set. And Putin-Saver had to resort to moon balls in order to try to disrupt her and occasionally it worked, but just not enough. And as the match reached its conclusion, the crowd were getting louder and louder for Junqin-Wen and Putin-Saver was just getting more irritated by them. And she was putting her finger to her head and as if to say, these people are crazy.

23:44And she just couldn't handle it. She was just sticulating at them with her hands. And look, she gives you everything. She gives you everything. But Junqin-Wen collapsed onto her back in victory at the end of this match, like she just won the title. You can tell that this isn't the same as when she used to win rounds before that injury. This just feels like it means everything to her right now. I think it does. It was an incredible press conference she gave afterwards in one of the smaller rooms, so it was very intimate. She just told you anything you wanted to hear about with humor and with sort of poise and just like her tennis really, an incredible combination of sort of strength and softness. I think she's extremely special and I'm so pleased to see her

24:46a factor in tennis. Again, she said, winning used to be like running water. Basically saying, I took it for granted and now it feels completely different. She said she'd forgotten how to compete. She said when I first came back, eventually from the surgery, she said I was too relaxed. She said I did get into some pretty competitive matches with top players, but I lost them all because I forgot how to compete. And she said, I found it. This week I have found it and that feels amazing. And she was asked about having to come through qualifying. She was asked, do you think that actually benefited you? And she made this face like, well, I'd rather not have had to come through qualifying. It was amazing. There was a sort of such a strut and a confidence about her answer, but also a total humility. She's like, I'm completely accepting of it. I'm not too big for qualifying.

25:46I know where I am in tennis's pecking order right now, but this isn't where I want to be. And it's not where I feel like I deserve to be. I asked her, I said, do you know who you play next? Because they don't always. And she said, yeah, I've just been told. And it's Madison Keys. And I said, well, because of who that is and who you are, I imagine that's going to be on a very big stage. How much have you missed those big stages? And she was like, oh, you wouldn't believe. She said, I wanted to see a big name next to mine in the draw so that I know I'll be on a big stage. She said, because I don't warrant that in myself anymore. I need other people to be my vehicle to the big stages. And again, totally accepting of that. She's like, I hope I will be again in my own right. But at the moment, I need a bit of help.

26:46And I wish her so well. I think she is not like anybody else in this sport, the way she carries herself, the way she plays, that heavy topspin, big serve, it's pretty unusual in the women's game. She's, I think she's something quite sort of ethereal about her. Yeah. And that thing you say about learning to compete again and win again, that's been a real pattern of her last three matches, the final one in qualifying, and then the two in the main draw, she's dropped a set, either the first one or the second one, and then absolutely surged in the third and played this just business mode tennis against tricky opponents. And it's like she's finding herself in these matches and she's amped up with adrenaline by the end of them. It's like she wants more.

27:48It's like the match is kind of only just getting started because she's feeling like herself again on the call. It's a bit like Alcras, isn't it, right? There's some similarities there. It's been amazing. Yeah, I think it's obviously a tough match for her in the next round. It's a tough match for Madison Keys as well. It's a tough one to call. I just hope this is at the very least the start of Jung becoming a presence on tour again regularly. I think there were wins got her back in the top 100. So the climb back to where she was has begun. And yeah, I echo everything you say about what a great presence she is on tour. Can't wait for that match in a couple of days time. Last player we should absolutely touch upon. Alexandra E.R. 6162 over Alexandra Ollina Cove today. You and I were out there for this one, David. The last couple of games felt like a fever dream. I was that sweaty and struggling so much in the humidity. But not the case for Alexandra E.R.

28:50La who was awesome today. And it's so it's so quickly became apparent watching this. Just for an absolutely nightmare matchup. It was for Alexandra on the Cove because of the timing of E.R. La and her ability to take the ball early and do something that is outrageously difficult in tennis and make it look easy. Yeah, quite often we've seen Ollina Cove this year with this mix of moon balls loop in the ball high up into the air is if she's lobbing her in a opponent, landing them on a baseline and chopping down on the next ball and bringing the opponent forwards and just messing with their minds. You know, and she tried her absolute best to do that against Diara. But in that first set, I mean, it was sort of fall, love after about 12 minutes. And what was happening was Ollina Cove would send up these balls and the moment E.R. La could see that happening,

29:50she took two steps forward and half followed it with power, real power. And then if Ollina Cove did another one of those into the air, she then stepped in further and did a drive volley and just put it away. And to to to to the point of what Catherine was saying about the timing, she just it just didn't worry her that the trajectory of the balls just wasn't worrying her the way it worries so I mean, it was bothering Junqin Wen against Putin's favor at times. She didn't know whether to go back or forwards. E.R. La instinctively seems to know what to do. I I compared it when we were watching it to sort of a left handed Martina Hinges. I remember Hinges playing against Kanshita Martinez at one of the grand slams back in the early 90s. She was looping these balls up with masses of top spin. And Hinges was just sort of half-vollying double-handed back hands and putting her on the defense. And that's what was happening here. It's kind of like when you're at a club, at tennis club, at a much lower level.

30:53And somebody's hacking away and I thought David was going to talk about being at a club. Well, you know, I mean, that's the other thing I do in my spare time. But when somebody's trying to miss you about by smacking it up in the air and not playing proper tennis and then and those are the sort of players that just make me beat myself. But then somebody else will come along who's just a way better player and just make that game look ridiculous, you know, both swatting the ball away. And that's what Eala did. She she was great. She she's I mean, we're seeing so much evidence, I think, of what a fast learner she is. I mean, you talked a couple of nights ago about how quickly she's gone from it being a story just for her to win a match at a ground slam as it was here last year. That epic win against Clara Towson to a player who I don't think any of us are quite putting her in the mix. But we're having conversations about her being in the mix. That's happened in the space of 12 months. And she lost all on a cova in Strasbourg in May of this year.

31:56And okay, that's Clay, which is by far on the cova's favourite surface. And she was in a different vein of form at that time on the cova than she is now. But honestly, the way this match up looked today, it looked like if Eala is anywhere close to inform on the cova's knock going to have a chance on any surface, quite frankly. And she talked about that in press afterwards and how she remembers that match in Strasbourg and having a strategy meeting like you imagine, Elaine Nostapenko, apparently, having Matt. I think Eala might be having them more regularly than Elaine Nostapenko. She said I had a great meeting with my coach after that match. And I knew what to do today. Just extremely clear to me, and she went out there and she did it. And I think that is going to be the story quite a lot in Alexandria, Eala's career. Yeah, and that's going to be put to the test again in the next round. She plays

32:58Eva Yovic. The first thing to say about that is they're very close friends. Yovic and Eala, they've played doubles together before. They hang out a lot together. They get on extremely well. So there's that factor into the match, but also Yovic is 2 and 0 against the Eala this season. One of them was at the French Open, Clay, which I do think is probably the surface where Eala finds it the hardest to do the things she's so good at taking the ball early. And then one of them was grass at Queens. But again, a bit of context for that is that Eala had played the week before in Birmingham, and it was her first match in Queens. It was early in Queens and you know, I think maybe she was a little bit out of gas in that one. But those matches have not been close. Yovic has won them in straight sets and three of the four sets have been 62. So she's really had Eala's number, but that's where what you've just talked about comes into it. And now meeting on a hard court and with Eala's growth over the last few months, it is absolutely fascinating.

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37:06Felix is going to have his hands full today and yet the shape of this match David would have ended up looking like was a real shock. Yeah, because the first two sets were probably exactly what we expected with them duking it out and lots of big hitting from the baseline and Felix kind of looking like his top level was higher than Hashanov's and then suddenly Felix Orje Alia Seam just fade it. It was a it was a draining of the battery out there for him and Hashanov didn't. He just kept up his slightly plotting way of playing tennis. Huge battering of the ball from the baseline, relentlessness and he did very well. I mean look I don't want to I'm not trying to do him down as such but you know he has kind of one level of playing tennis and if he plays that level he's tough to beat and I know as you know Asje Alia Seam just could not deal with those conditions today it seemed. He was struggling in the heat. He had no energy. I thought he might be injured

38:11when I saw him sort of you know lurching forwards and messing around with his ankles but you know from what we understand Catherine this was a heat related problem that he got and and it was it's surprising because we've seen him cramp a couple of times this year he ended up withdrawing from a match to the Australian open and here we are with with him struggling against Hashanov and being comprehensively beaten in the end. Yeah I mean I wouldn't worry too much about doing Karen Hashanov down because Felix Asje Alia Seam has done that a little bit with his post-match quotes not in a not in a disrespectful way but Felix can quite often be perfectly nice but quite stiff in press. He's not a great quote is he I was expecting him to say he didn't feel my best today but all credit to Karen he played a great match that's not what we got at all today. He said he was asked about how well the opponent played and he said it's tough to talk about anything else other than how I feel physically after a certain a half I just couldn't feel well

39:17I was dizzy seeing spots and I couldn't recover I thought maybe it would pass but it didn't. Karen is a great player but look I cannot beat him or anybody in this draw feeling the way I felt today. If I can't move we're not talking about tennis here he said it's unfortunate I wish we were talking about tennis but that's that's not the case he said it. Reminds me of Kasparud at the French remember when he had his top horrible tone. Yeah he's a bit lost as to exactly what went on and that must feel so disarming as an athlete and look he's not the only player that we've seen that from today we saw something quite similar Matt from Lorenzo Mazzetti he went down 36616262 three very one sided sets to unseeded Australian Dane Sweeney I mean talk about upsets that weren't on the watch list at the start of today. No absolutely not he's the

40:24reciprocal wildcard I think Dane Sweeney that's how he got into this draw and look he's he's a very admirable player because he's tiny you know like he's really small he has to work very hard to to win points against against these guys and he's been grinding away on at the lower levels and this is going to be a huge moment for him in his career earning close to 300,000 US dollars that's probably going to go a long way for someone like Dane Sweeney so great for him but we did see in the first set what this match looked like when they were both kind of at full-pelt and it was close for a little bit but Mazzetti just had a level and acceleration a gear that Sweeney couldn't live with and I thought Mazzetti was actually playing with great intensity at the end of the first set he was ramping his serve up to 130 miles an hour it was it was good stuff from Mazzetti but quite quickly after that in fact right at the end of the first set I thought one is Mazzetti doused himself in

41:31water and I thought okay like it is really hot today that's maybe that's a really sensible thing to do but I looked at him I thought he's struggling physically more than I would have expected after after a set like that and then in the second set what happened I think was that inwardly he was feeling the physical struggles and he was expressing it outwardly by having this really poor attitude he was he was moaning a lot he kicked the towel bin and his game sort of fell apart but I think reflecting on it I think he knew that the physical fade was coming and he was nothing he could do about it and he was really frustrated and worried about it and then very quickly in the third set became obvious that he could barely move I mean he was not swinging properly at the ball he wasn't wasn't moving with any intensity took a took a medical time out of court came back briefly look like he might recover some energy but then faded again and yeah those last two sets he was barely

42:36present on the course he was a ghost really and it's devastating for him I mean talk about a grand slam season he's been playing the best tennis of his life in Australia and has to retire up two sets of love against Yokevic he misses the two slams that have been his best traditionally where he's gone the furthest in the Frank Schopen and Wimbledon he's a semi-finalist there previously he couldn't play them this year he returns for the US Open having had a full American hard court swing to get ready for it and he's actually been improving and then he feels like this and suffers something like heatstroke we think and he mentioned feeling dizzy and no power in the legs and yeah just a real shame for his for his tournament to end like that yeah absolutely brutal and just to to complete the kind of brutal trio of losses Alex

43:37Dimonore going down in straight sets to to Bertic van der Zanzelkaupe who is such a talented player like we saw Bertic van der Zanzelkaupe do do this in the second round same round against Carlos Alchaires on the Arthur Astrash Stadium two years ago he's a total mystery of a human being I find utterly hilarious he looks inconvenienced to be on the tennis court inconvenience to be winning the match because he's it means he's probably got to come back and play tennis again and yeah he's just he's just so nonchalant about about everything and yet such a smooth talented tennis player I do find him endlessly fascinating and look this is a continuation of a theme for Alex Dimonore a theme that goes back to Rotterdam really in February where he won the title had a great run had had a solid Australian open reached his seeding there lost to Carlos Alchaires in the quarter finals no

44:41no shame in that went on in one Rotterdam looked like he was potentially on for a career best season and it is nose-dived from there quite frankly he hasn't beaten a top 30 player since May that was Lichano Dauderi the world number 16 at the time in Hamburg and the average rank of opponents he's lost to since that title in Rotterdam in February is 48 it's it's been a drastic drop-off in form and we had that very sad moving but sad press conference with him after his defeat at Wimbledon where he talked about his childhood dreams being shattered feeling them slipping away feeling like he's given everything to this sport and it's just not good enough and he's getting further away not closer and you know he wants it so desperately but feels like he might never get it and you know it was

45:46all it was all heartbreaking but incredibly open and I I went to his press conference probably about only about an hour ago now expecting every similar Alex Dimonore and it could not have have been more different in terms of what he was saying his demeanor was the same he looked sad but he was back to having the walls up and trotting out the things that you have to say to make all the losses palatable to to make it possible to to keep going he it was all you know well onto the next one some you win some you lose not playing my best right now but hopefully I can find it and there was just this glazed expression you know it was it was kind of dead behind the eyes and I in a lot of ways I found it's sadder than the Wimbledon press conference I wonder whether he was a little taken aback by just how much cut through his his very raw emotional reaction at

46:50Wimbledon had in the in the world quite possibly and I realize this might it might be a decision he might be exactly the same behind the scenes as he was at Wimbledon he's just made the decision to to not give that publicly I totally realized that's a possibility but the way he was asked like are you ready are you ready for a break now or certainly the pressure valve coming off a bit with the with the Grand Slam season being over and he said no next on the calendars Davis Cup in Brisbane tennis moves on you know hope to get back on track and I just felt exhausted hearing him say that you know just always the next one always the next one just sort of suck it up and move on is it's the coolest game isn't it but but it runs on school what a player a heat what a guy what a guy he is let's talk about telefritz I mean I don't know how much time to

47:59give to Taylor Fritz because he didn't give an awful lot of time to the tennis that he played today six love six one six one an hour and a 38 minutes over Thomas Balucci he's feeling it he is feeling it's not right again by the way you've you've mixed up your Baluches are you said in say moniker and I have some credit for that because you said Thomas the the Brazilian from about 15 years ago whereas this is Mattea oh Mattea Mattea Baluches thank goodness we've got a look Taylor Fritz is you know he's not been tested today but you know that's also credits him he's he's very efficient he's a really he's really good at these things there's not much point in taking much time up talking about it as you say but you went in his press I did yeah and look it's just so obvious that he he is owning this opportunity he's like right

49:04game face on this is it now I am I am informed it is all it is all coming together it's up to it's up to me now and he was asked about how it was a very well phrased question actually about you know the the draw opening up and the usual basically sinner and Alcara is not quite being well sinner not being here although still thanking thanking the hotel he's not staying out on Instagram might be my moment of the day and Alcara is being well in theory not quite being the Alcara's that we've we've come to know in in recent years and he was asked about that in the context not just of himself but all the Americans you know this being an opportunity for an American male champion which obviously you haven't seen his since Andy Roddick and he he said it was it was a perfect answer I thought he said look that doesn't affect me until the semi-finals

50:06though I would never I would never play one of those until until the semi-finals so logically I don't think about that until the semi's but if I get to the semis and I'm not playing Yanic sinner great like you know he would not take anything for granted all due respects except for to who he might play in the semi-finals and it you know might be could be no would be Carlos Alcara's in the final wouldn't it be it be Alexander's very over in the semi-finals who he did lose to at Wimbledon but I thought it was the perfect answer to that question he's not denying that this is an opportunity or trying to trick himself into not feeling any pressure I think he's putting just the right amount of pressure on himself and I think he's able to do that because he's he's peaking at the right time and his best might not be good enough he's not Carlos Alcara's he's Taylor for it's but I think he's giving himself the absolute best opportunity and he is

51:08still my pick to reach the final and and lose that final yeah same David yeah same but by a different opponent look I yeah he just he's got such a reliable game the only question mark is as he got reliable knees we saw him look in very good shape heading into that match against Verven and suddenly face the experienced pain in it and it's very played out of his mind that day I do think this is different I do think he's he looks totally at home at the US Open which is why he is in the final for for all three of us but yeah still a long way to go of course as it is for Flavio Caboli particularly because he's very much taking taking the scene at root I'll I'll just give you some fact Flavio Caboli quotes to to sum up his victory of a Tristan school Kate he said of the largely Italian crowd

52:10are there lots of locals as well that we're all out there to support him he said I feel incredibly involved with you he said he said today I loved to be Flavio Caboli and when asked about his policy on what's and when to get a new tattoo he said just tell me and I do he said if I wait to wake up tomorrow and want to make a tattoo I do it and then he invited the interview it to sort of tell him what tattoo she'd like him to get and she she um she took the high road with that one oh I mean he's already got an incredible Hulk tattoo what was you come up with oh what was you come up with um some sort of animal okay yeah right we'll workshop that folks Matt uh to close out part two tell us about the end of Gail Malfease's Grand Slam career yeah he was beaten

53:11on Armstrong back in that that slot where one the other night uh he was beaten by learner TN they they'd met a couple of weeks ago in Cincinnati and TN had won that one and this was exactly what you'd expect really and moments from Gail Malfease and the crowd roaring him on in in the third set as he was spending most of the time between points hunched over and trying to suck in as much air as he possibly could against this you know guy half his age down the other end of the court who's an incredible ball striker and yeah TN TN definitely just had too much game and and did well to keep his head but you know the it was a weird experience because TN is this coming American player young and I think a lot of people here are very excited about him I know I know I am personally I'm very excited about learning TN's game but all the support was for the retiring Frenchman and that must have been an odd experience I suppose for TN but I think he also

54:13very much gets it and knows what Malfease means to people I have just seen by the way perhaps the perhaps the up the shock of the tournament so far is this is I've just seen this too Ben Muffin Bergs hang on a second let's do let's let's do a quiz here David what do you think Gail Malfease's next career move is going to be well that's not fair because I've also just seen it oh would that have been your guess no to drop the bomb man yeah Ben Rothenberg saying here's an unexpected answer I ask Gail Malfease what his post for time at plans are if he plans to stay in coat in tennis as a coach or commentator perhaps no he said he's already signed on to work an office job next year for a Swiss wealth management company I find that in office I find that deeply depressing I want to see him in his suit and tie I mean I mean good luck to him good luck to him if that makes him happy then fine but

55:19corporate Gail Malfease I don't know yeah I mean look maybe so many years being the showman he wants a bit of peace and quiet for a time perhaps goes to a retreat in Bali well that would have been for peace and quiet my suggestion go to a wealth management what do you think is happening at wealth management companies Matt people getting rich yeah good luck to you Gail that is it for part two we'll be back in part three to wrap up the days action and to look ahead to tomorrow is only as powerful as the platform it's built into that's why it's no surprise that more than 85% of the 14 500 use the service now AI platform while other platforms duct tape tools together service now seamlessly unifies people data workflows and AI connecting every corner of your business and with AI agents working together autonomously anyone in any department can focus on the work that

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57:29early night tonight jib because of course no such thing in tennis apparently no such thing at this us open because we've just had the latest finish yet 2 15 is when Alexander's Verve the top seed finally sealed the deal six three in the fifth another epic for him this time over contact at least another four hours and 33 minutes on the match clock for Zverev what are all doing David that's a very good question I mean it is absolutely absurd yet at the at one moment they're very careful with the way they sort of frame the TV shots to show the the few people that are in the stadium at one point they did pan into the into the rest of it and it was totally deserted which is just a joke isn't it anyway we've done that so many times and we have to because each night we sit here at one or two a.m. but huge credit to the two players for the

58:33battle they've just had Contan at least I think played brilliantly that's what that's probably the best I've ever seen in play and I really felt he had chances to win that match because he had Zverev in all sorts of trouble I mean it was it was quite a shock to see Zverev lose his way the way did he held serve very comfortably all the way through the first set in a bit and one of the first sets six four and then it just completely deserted him he lost his serve three times in a row he had a break point against him for five one in the third set when it was one set all he looked a bit gone to be honest I think there were periods where he just had massive energy drops and and his form just isn't there really he's sort of hanging on by a thread in a lot of these in both of these first two matches and you know he deserves huge credit because he manages to get over the line and win these matches and stay alive in the tournament because in his words when he just gave his interview at the end my performance was shit well it kind of was most of

59:38the time I mean he's bouncing the ball sometimes 40 times between two first and second serves you know um he's playing incredibly sort of passive tennis for the majority and then occasionally hits out and reminds you that he's got power but I think he just doesn't have any feel and he doesn't really have any rhythm and now he's got his juice say what is it about eight to a half nine hours in his legs yeah four hours 53 minutes for his first match and now four hours 33 for his second match and in incredibly draining conditions tonight okay it was a night session but the humidity is is kind of the most draining of all the the condition types to to play in and Matt he's now in this rhythm of playing the night says he's going to have to play the night session again in two days time I don't see how it's fair that he doesn't risk again of another late finish like he's just in this sort of nightmare cycle now really yes partly of his own making partly of shit scheduling's making

1:00:45but he's yes he's stuck yes I think that's it I mean we've got this weird situation where he's not playing well he's spent nine and a half hours on court he's going to bed at 5 a.m every other night but he's in a very easy really section of the draw for him you know he's got to be low next who's who's a very good player but he's a lefty and there have always beats lefties and he will like that draw I suspect and then it's Darderi or Sweeney to make the quarters and then in the quarters as they call him it's Zheng Jaya Boogs or Anders Anskalp you know so I think it's very likely that's very of still manages to work his way through to the latter stage of this tournament the

1:01:45semi finals and that's where C previous chat about Taylor Fritz we kind of expect him to be but it's all pretty joyless and tough to watch if it's going to keep being like this in the middle of the night slug fest I think it is breaking Matt oh so over it I mean we've seen Matt like this at every single grand slam tournament that he's ever participated in but it's always been day 10 day 11 day 12 yeah we've this is the second time second time we're only on day what fall five five but now bleeding into six yeah we've already had two matte wall hits I had such a good that I spent like eight hours in the sun watching tennis you're not then supposed to still be watching tennis at 2 am I just I just kind of went around off this section by coming back to actually something

1:02:50that Taylor Fritz said in his press conference earlier but way before it was wherever it even taken to the court obviously Fritz has had these two remarkably straightforward victories in the opening two rounds and his schedule to be as very semi final opponent who said to completely opposite route through to the third round and Fritz said in his press conference I think it's really important to not kill yourself in the first couple of matches because you need to have the energy to potentially do that later on in the week you know the end of the day you do get a day off but anyone will tell you one day is not enough to recover from a five set match it's just not you can come back and still play good but it's not enough to fully recover it's good to get through these the way that I've gotten through these and I think the one today gives me a lot more confidence than the first round match and so if you know if look as Matt says the the draw is has is falling kind falling kindly for his very of now until the semi finals but he's playing poorly enough that it feels

1:03:53like he could get himself into a sticky situation against almost anyone I could definitely see Burtick Van Dazanzel causing him problems well I mean it depends which Burtick turns up there doesn't it I mean a serious point we've seen him throw in some episodes stinkers here I mean that one against Jack Draper a couple of years ago that's an embarrassment and yet today he was fantastic and he's capable of of of both extremes of the spectrum I think the interesting thing with Zvarov is he just looks delirious out there at the moment he's sort of getting through but he looks like he's he's not really fully conscious of what's going on at times he's just a born fighter in these situations but it's got it's surely going to catch up to him he's only hope is that he has a couple of easy matches against players that are far inferior to him and he kind of gets chance to get his energy back and find some timing I mean I think these are big ifs would you are we all

1:04:58in agreement that you'd rather be fritz right now even though he's facing down potentially Surundalo Kabali TN to even get to that Zvarov match I'd rather be fritz I'll take form hmm I'll just always take form I've got almost always take I agree with that I think what one thing you could say though is when they end up let's assume they do both get to the semi finals to play each other fritz and Zvarov they may be in different positions physically to how they are now fritz may have had a couple of epics by then of his own so you know I just you can't take it for granted that that Zvarov isn't going to win this tournament he is very good at surviving and coming back and and so forth but usually it catches up with him I mean even him we've seen it many times including

1:05:58against Alkra's at the Australian Open this year you know eventually it caught up with him there's that one one against Medvedev when he was two sets to love I put the Australian Open after after having five setters in the previous rounds you know I've done I think fritz puts it very well and he's he's going to know more than anybody isn't he what it's like trying to get these matches out of your out of your system we had to shoot nanagodans by the way we did twice in a day really is on the rise this was a bad one I thought I thought they should have let him do this this was very I wasn't it this was hey change the shoes on break point he did the opponents yeah break at least serving break point down five four three four three I mean just just shouldn't be allowed should it no no should not be allowed change your shoes okay finish this game and then you can yeah we we have tennis a lot's time for you to to do what he did it again stuff like

1:07:00then he changed his shoes on break point the game finished and then he changed them again at the change events it was and he's he's ready as well isn't he same as Hodor yeah bad that I'm actually an Adidas shoe wearer this is this is a this is a worry Elena Rebacchina I think it's time to change our policy on Elena Rebacchina and just assume she's physically okay oh yeah she's proven otherwise she's the next world number one I've spent a week telling people she can't walk and here she is comfortably winning through matches against good players six two six four tonight over Jessica B. Thasminero very comfortable let's assume Rebacchina is fine until proven otherwise she's got starved of saver you the starved of saver in the next round which is a rematch of quadratic clash they had at Roland Garros this year yes when Rebacchina's forehand when completely missing

1:08:04and she ended up losing that one so we'll see we will see that'll be in a couple of days time let's 23 what we've got for you tomorrow or rather today that gag just never gets old does it um 1130 nine less than nine hours from now folks things kick off on the atherash stadium with Jessica against Leyla Fernandez second on in the day session is Wu-Yi Bing against Carlos Algaraz night session tomorrow night opens with women's doubles first round action and Serena and Venus Williams against Maya joint who is seeing Serena Williams in her sleep at the moment and how Qing Chan my joints doubles partner for this us open what do we I mean I suppose it was never Serena Williams was never going to be scheduled anywhere rather than Ash was she it's pretty cool I think that

1:09:07they get this night session slot and the place is going to go bananas do you know who I think probably disagrees with you who's that arena saver link yeah you're probably right Ben Schulton Dennis Schapavallov second on the night session ash tomorrow over on Armstrong we open in the day session with Arena Sabileanka against Camilla Raquima the second on is Alexander Bubliak against Tommy Paul and then the night session is Valentine Vashero who we haven't talked about a lot the Shanghai champion of last year a tournament with gross heat and humidity he was kind of the last man standing wasn't he in that one and it backed it up well Vashero that that shock tournament victory until he got injured just before the French open or during the French open wasn't it that he ended up having to pull out but he's he's a real unknown quantity in a dark horse here and he's taking on a

1:10:11TFO who we've we've now heard because he didn't interview didn't he with Gil Gross for USA Open Radio confessing that he ain't feeling great I mean I know we perhaps suspected that he wasn't feeling great but he is very much confirmed without giving specifics that his body is not feeling fantastic at the moment so I do just wonder about Vashero tomorrow yeah he's not somebody who puts limits on himself he I suspect he likes these conditions right now he's a big strapping guy who can hit through the the heavy conditions I think they're gonna liven up from what we understand over the weekend and cooled down actually as well I don't think we're gonna have quite the level of humidity but yeah it's still gonna be a factor I think tomorrow he likes a big stage TFO has kind of been hanging on a bet he's he's like you say that that interview was very telling Gil was pushing him on whether

1:11:15it was his game that was was was the problem at the moment he kind of said it's everything but really it all comes from the fact that physically it's just not in a good place second on the Armstrong night session tomorrow is Alina's Fittalina against Anna Callinskaya one of those awkward Eukrainian Russian matchups and we got another one of those to open grandstand with Martholostok and a Katarina Alexander a second on is the piece of work clash between Daniel Mervidov and Arthur Rindaknecht third on is Karolina Moukva and Emma Navarro expect that to be a nice looking clash and Yulah Hetchka is lost on grandstand tomorrow against Stefano Sitzapas who backed up his big feasts win and has made it into round three stadium 17 tomorrow adjustment palinian Saronica Steyer first on Taylor Townsend against Janice Schneider second on that's a fun match and winner of that likely to face a Rina Sabalenko and Lee and then Denoschkova third on and fourth on

1:12:16is Alex Mikkelsen against Daniel Merida any big upsets we're seeing tomorrow is TIEFO the most likely that's the one that jumps out to me Matt yes I'm always on Medvedev upset watch so could could see something happening there I suppose permanent state of Medvedev alert can I draw your attention to court twelve where not before 230 contact at least in doubles so absolutely extraordinary Pierre who get a bear is going to wake up in the morning check his phone and go oh that is at least his doubles partner if that isn't obvious whereas Simone Bollelli and Andrea Bavassori are going to wake up check their phones and go brilliant and and and that court is also for fans of B.naka Shima

1:13:19yes did we know there were two I did think perhaps it was an error well there's Brandon and Bryce there's a Bryce younger brother there's a there's a Preston stones there's a Bryce Naka Shima yeah what a time to be finding that out and there's two penicco we did know there were two peniccovas didn't we but both of them are playing on also on court twelve tomorrow is the place to be yes finish fun stuff was the was court 13 for the kitchen ox any others where is the junior Matt that the ambidextrous junior playing tomorrow what's his name I don't think he is playing tomorrow but he will be playing at some stage yes he'll be playing soon a T.O. Davidov ambidextrous junior switches hands want to look out for when when he gets on

1:14:25the schedule okay I think we should probably call it a day at that except to draw your attention to our lovely mascot Leo Leo says with all the rain he's considering floating to the championships here he is oh my gosh he's a border raft he's a border raft with us open branding on it what what a photo shoot like goodness well yes perhaps you could drive the court yet well that is the technology they use it is it is just towels and children so I Leo could probably do a good a job as anyone thank you Leo for that little boost at nearly three o'clock in the morning hello to our mascot Spodey Maisie and Roger hello to our top folks and executive producers Greg Chris and Jeff I will not be asking for shout outs because I think Matt might resign if I did but I will tell you that we are part of the athletic podcast network and if you're an NFL fan the athletic has something really exciting that is starting next week which I guess is when

1:15:30the NFL season starts David correct just saw a trailer for some NFL that seems to be happening in Australia yeah that's that's almost as ludicrous as tennis happening at 230A isn't it's the same genre absolutely what are we doing what the athletic is doing is the athletic live presented by Google Gemini which is a brand new YouTube watch along on NFL game days featuring the biggest and best beach reporters the athletic has to offer you can even become part of the show in the interactive chat on YouTube it all starts from September the 8th and if you're into the NFL it does sound really fun so do check that out if you're an NFL fan we will be back tomorrow hopefully with Matt TBC or Matherier is ever prepared to watch tennis again at this point but people bounce back our bounce back I'm always I'm always up for tennis I just rather be watching you know

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