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It is only right that we start today's episode by talking about the newest potential MVP of the league Victor
Women Yama has gotten a surge in MVP discourse mba.com's updated MVP ladder has him in first place
Overshay the bedding on's make it to seem like kind of comes down whoever gets the number one seed
How do you guys feel about this rise and discourse if people wanting to make when be the youngest MVP ever?
This is their their role is getting on. I don't know their role is getting on. Yes. Yeah
I don't like like soul train doing splits down the line. Oh wow. It's it's a lot
Soul train. It's a lot. It's creative. They're in a ladder movement
It's this this is a it's a bit much like I
I have been on the train of like I think when we should be above Yokech in the discourse
I agree with that I think that he has been more impactful than that but
One of the things that people keep pointing to obviously like the defenses is amazing for Wembee and the offense
It's it's coming along and they're like you know the spurs in the last couple of in the last like 25 Wembee games
They're 23 and two or 24 right whatever the number is
Guys that's happening right now. Do you remember at the start of the season when the thunder were 24 and one yeah
So you have identical stretches in the season of these like great long runs by these teams highlighted by these players
They cancel each other out. So now let's let's talk about the season at large
Let's talk about everything that Shay has done where I do feel like especially at this point
Shay has to like lose it and there are certain moments in MVP years
Um or just in seasons in general where the guy who had at the beginning at the beginning of the year
Might have like a two weeks long we've seen that from Yokech where he's had like three three weeks
You know before where it's just not up to par and then you could say okay
You allowed somebody else to get in. I don't feel like Shay has had a drop-off to where he has allowed Wembee to get into the conversation
More so then Wembee has written above everybody else. Yes exactly. I agree. I think
This is shameless because not shameless on Wembee's ended none that he did wrong necessarily
I think it's about how this conversation has developed over time going back to what you said
There's no drop-off in Shay's game at all and I'm like a hundred and ten percent on board for having Wembee specifically number two
Yokech. Yeah, he dropped off. Yeah, like he over the last like I don't know two weeks or so his three percent is
Down the fucking drain. I think you should like 90 percent and also like the den of the den of nuggets overall sinking overall
But like they they have not been a good product to watch over the last 30 or so games
So that's fair and that's fine
But in order to see like Wembee leap over Shay. I feel like nothing's changed substantially since the start of the year at all
Like there's been no new development in his game at all. There's he hasn't like
Overcame the stuff offensively that's been holding him back from people from people outright calling him like the best player in the world
Still to this day
I haven't heard anyone call Wembee the best player in the world
And you don't necessarily have to be the best player in the world to win an MVP at all
But more so those conversations are lean towards like Yokech. It's has been for the most part
And now Shay's it feels like Shay overrides overcame that and he's viewed as that
And I don't even think anyone's called called Wembee that just yet. So it's forced
Y'all right
I don't think I'm hating. Yeah, we're not because they I do agree. I chase the MVP
I think you will win MVP
I don't think the actual voters are gonna do enough to go towards Wembee side that I think Shay has it solidified
He will be the MVP. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest it's like to women Yama
It's a whole season. We're saying key if you were saying he can be second. He can get this
I don't know like sneaky playoff and be a sneaky MVP push if they get the one seed you'll have this sneaky second argument
All this stuff we're kind of dancing around it by adding modifiers that he can be second place or just behind the favor
Or whatever other verbiage you see people use
That means he's in striking the sense of being the MVP
He's taken a legitimate leap in the second half of the season offensively
He is much better over less 20 games offensively as a score than he was to start the year when things that look if he after hot start
He truly is bending the game in a defensive way that we've never seen before which you know was well talked about
He's completely good enough offensively has completely enough in fact
The on-off numbers all suggested the advanced data all suggested it
It's not in the same way as the guards that dominate the league
But he is one of the most impactful offensive players in the league with when I say both back to the top 10 to 12
Whatever and defense. He is so far ahead of everybody else that he bends the game in the same way
Yokush does offensively look at us offensively in a way that I know we don't normally give
MVP consideration to like the best defenders
He's different. He's better than the best defenders of the past decade while being way more offensively suited than the other guys are
I think he has a legitimate case that if you tell me you are a voter with a real award vote
If you're Kendrick Perkins and you tell me you want to vote wimby
I don't think that's how landish if you if you vote wimpy mvp
I think that I think one and if you if you feel this way cool bomb and you do to stand on it move forward
If if you vote him mvp
You are stamping that right now in this moment. He's the best player in the world
And do you think that's a crazy opinion to hold? I think I maybe I don't agree right now
I put him third or whatever. I don't think it's crazy to feel the way at all
I would say for a majority of people knowing
Knowing how a majority of the people in the media operate and knowing
The the standards and the checkpoints that people normally require of people
I would say that for a majority of the voters saying that and giving wimpy the vote would be
Would would be different from what they've done previously. I see what you're saying and I understand that it is different because of many factors
And he's he's different and he is not normal. I know he's he's different, but I also think again
I
It's not like she has
Even stayed the same from where he was last year or she has she has also leveled up
He's also gotten better and when when you look at when you look at what he's done from a from a totality of a of a season
Where obviously wimby's case is primarily driven by what he's done in the second half of the year
Not just though, just primarily that's the that's the first driving force
He's obviously been like good the entire year, but the a lot of a lot of the points that that people are making are
Armingly from the second half of the year
And so I'm just going based off of like what the arguments are they've been the two seed all year
So I know your point he's gotten better offensively
I wouldn't put it that way at all that makes it sound like he's having this like luca type run where he gets substantially better
The last three weeks it's not that well, I think I think a little bit. Yes, because he did deal he did deal with the cap injury
Early on in the season and we saw him be on a on even more of a minutes restriction early on so I think in terms of seeing like
the in terms of seeing wimby in like his full game a majority of that has come in the second half of the year as opposed to the first half
Correct, you're right
He dealt with that in the minutes and that's been a big talking point on Twitter of all the fans of all the guards coming together to slander him
Saying like joelle says here when is the last time a player want MVP coming out the bench or 50% of the season
And they're saying he has less minutes played for the entirety of the season than Lebron James does who is not
Not available not available to win awards because he didn't play 65 games because he has not been on a minute restriction all year and doesn't average 30 minutes
For game average 29 which is the lowest of any MVP ever
I understand all that and if that's what you hold against him and why you can't win MVP because he doesn't play enough minutes
Okay, that means you're probably a games play type of guy and it means a lot to you. I am not
I don't care that much because he is the most impactful player in the NBA next to Shay and jokich
All those guys are bunched up at the top of all the impact metrics when he plays
I don't think it disqualifies him because his team
He elected to play him in a certain way that gets the most out of him
Yannis wanted to be with 30.7 minutes per game for similar reasons
Bud played him in short bursts because they know
He'll let him go a million miles prior on both sides of the court and take a rest come back on the court
Play a million miles per hour on both sides of the court again
That'll get the most out of him rather than him playing 36 minutes and being tired and not able to get the full effort
Part of it is a little managing because of injury
Part of it is that too for wimpy that he truly is maximized in this way that that's not inherently bad to me
When when he's on those court for those minutes
He's incredibly impactful more than anybody else if he played 36 minutes a night
He'd be unanimous MVP by the way. He's playing right now. He's not so now he's in the combo that already kind of
Takes in some value of those minutes. I think
Yeah, I don't know. I I understand and
If he did get those opportunities, I'm not gonna sit here and say he wouldn't be unanimous MVP
His numbers as is offensively are are like stunning
But over the last of 10 games or 20 games or so. I feel like that's even over bone because I'm looking at his numbers right now
He's average and like the same 23 24 12 rebounds for his student like 33% from the field or from 3 point line and 48 from the field
Like I'm sure things do feel different
I will say on the court in the process just feels smoother
But overall like that leak at least assist statistically
Offensively again only offensively has not been there as much as it should be to warrant
Granting in him because you're just looking for someone like Shay
That's not to say overall. It's not about the it's not just about he's putting the ball in the basket though
He's playing some better the impact he has the gravity has the role man is truly crazy
The team is really ramping up because of that like everything comes together because of him
And like I saw people were doing the minutes thing. I forgot who pointed out somebody on Twitter
Yes, he's nowhere close minutes. Why is the top guys?
He's second in the entire NBA in total plus minus which isn't per game
It's total plus minus in your minutes
Which total plus minus isn't some stat that we're going to point to for anything meaningful in every p argument
But when you're looking at minutes and saying he doesn't play enough
That's a good stat to show that like it doesn't matter
He's still producing more than everybody besides Shay in those minutes
That that that means something to me that does that kind of nullifies the minutes played argument to me
It does and that's why that's why he's second like he's better
You know, he's better than everybody
I think then everybody outside of shade this this year and like Shay has sat multiple
Multiple fourth quarters as well, and he's had some in the state taking off of his load
I think
Do you look at what Shay has done
As a clutch player this year and he's gonna he's gonna win, you know, a clutch player of the year because
Even if you like if you go to NBA.com and you look at at the numbers like there's a there's a group of people that are kind of close in terms of total points in clutch
And then to somebody way above and that's Shay
And so I think that for a regular season stuff games get I think games played minutes played all that stuff
I think it does come into account a little bit more just because
Every single night being available for for your team and being there for a team
That also has gone through injuries upon injuries upon injuries. Yeah, and this is two straight years that like we're gonna
Look up and the thunder are gonna have the number one seed and this is two straight years that they're gonna do that with
Having holes in their roster
For weeks at a time because one of their core members is out and one of the main constant and deconstant for that team is Shay
Is Shay in his scoring and the number that you always point out about his efficiency and his
His true shooting percentage and how like we only we only get this from you know all time seasons and from big man
He's shown that as a as a guard
What Shay is doing and the level that he's gotten to this year? I do think that it separates him
Even for if you think that's the slightest margin because you want to put one be at two or you think that he can be one
That's fine. I think ultimately though
Shay has not done anything except for get better
Yeah, and we were having conversations a week ago about it's either best play in the world
I think he should get the MVP. I agree. Yeah, if I'd have a I'll give it to him as well in some part
This is what happens every year when somebody's a clear fear for so long people get bored
I want to give to somebody else and start a conversation
I just think this is a little more worthy than pass examples of that or like that's fair
That's very fair. I think the only thing I'm saying is that like if you believe this and want to vote him
It's not a wasted vote. It's not silly. It's not slandering Shay or just hate like I think he's a very worthy secondary candidate
His case is very different and I value Shay and everything he's done to everything you said I agree with season some start season to end
dealing with the injuries he's the MVP
But I think the
uniqueness of when these case the uniqueness of him as a defender the uniqueness of him as a
Ombal gravity type of player that can be a screen setter a floor spacer a slasher all the things he does that are so unique
If you want to say that culmination of things gives him a unique MVP argument that others don't have and maybe looks a little weird compared to past cases
I don't think he's doing too much at all
Yeah, yeah, I can I can agree to that
But also I see someone like Shay and I see the unique the uniqueness within his story as well and going back to what you said
Like just not having a consistent complete roster throughout the entire year
Ludo dork been having injuries Corusso bent in and out of course as it hard stands continuously in and out the second best player in
Zeta his
Continues have been trying to find his way through and through they later
He had to make it in season in season trade because the shooting was surprise surprise in fucking hell
But nonetheless like Shay just continuously literally gets better off of his MVP season last year and is more efficient player
All around the field bro that just doesn't make any sense with all the changes that's been happening around him
He just remains consistent. I think he's MVP. Yeah, I agree and uh, but I do think when he's definitely second and obviously your fans hate that look at fans hate that
They're gaining up to point to the minutes thing as the main thing
People are mad people people people smell the blood in the water. They smell the wimpy era here kind of mad their faves are gonna pass up
I think what's jarring is how fast it's happened and how like the spurs overall are like a legitimate
Legitimate considered. I feel like that's for me personally. I can't speak very well
So but for me personally that's been like the more shocking thing
Yeah, I'm mad about this was a shocking because you mentioned me look at that technique
Technique technique. We talking break break this down for us please. You see his hands. He has big hands. All right, man
That's what I do a man. That's enough. This is right
But I'm really sorry. It's real value
It is unique the way he's coming up so fast and people were like yeah
You guys were to crown this guy hasn't done anything in the playoffs and so forth
Which is some degree I understand if he does go outside he will get slanted for it
That comes to the territory of being hyped up so fast
It's not exactly surprising that he has an unprecedented rise after being an unprecedented prospect
An unprecedented rookie unprecedented second year player now he's unprecedented second year. I mean third year player
Kind of stands for reason
Yeah, that's that yeah that trip and man. Oh, sometimes you do got a bounce on it
Sometimes yeah, I look like Tiana Trump. That's my MVP
You know affairs my MVP. You know what you've never told me anything about you other than the fact that you are kinky souls
So you're telling me that you are what I think you are
So I can't even be mad at you for saying that that's not ridiculous to say
That's not ridiculous. It's not ridiculous to say that sometimes you got a bounce
You got a prop of the stars of the future
You know what I'm saying and you've made that clear from day one of you on this show
So I can't not get mad at you right now. I can't even laugh at you right now. No, because you are true to self
I am not a big and say that. I really do have one yet
Yeah, I would like Tiana Trump sometimes
This is the best
You try to get it. Please
He's one of the players in the world
Yeah, we can stop saying the like oh soon maybe next year. He's like top five whatever
Earlier in the season. I said when we were doing our predictions episode
I made some like half-hearted prediction where we're just talking where I'm like I'm feeling uh
And when we tap run where we say definitively he's the best point in the world after this postseason
We're right on track for that. I
I don't feel like again, but that's different from piotta understand
Yeah, and even anything that anybody's saying about best in the world
I'm not shocked by any of it
We were saying this the day he walked in we've been we've been expecting before he walked in yes
We've been expecting this so I so the rise or anything or or the thing of saying that he's the best in the world
That's not crazy
The when you look at the NBA as a whole the craziest part about it is
Hey, there's another guy who has just leaped everybody like yo-kitch is average it
Yo-kitch on any given night is gonna is gonna go out onto the court and he's gonna get you 35-15 and nine
35-15 and nine
And do it all the time and we're gonna be like yeah, you're actually
Getting passed up right now. That's crazy. There's actually another guy who every single night
He's gonna get minimum the floor is 20 points
He's gonna do that he's gonna be as efficient as as possible
He's gonna go win a title with the team that not only once again is dealing with all these injuries
Just a broke offense
They want they want a championship last year because of their defense because they got timely offensive production
But that was the that was the Achilles heel for the Thunder last year
And it's the same thing this year where every single time we look at their at their team
And we look at the roster and the people that they're putting out onto the floor
Like she had just like a little bit more offensive juice
That's why you ask for things from chat home grain of like can you put the ball on the floor a little bit more
That's why the AJ Mitchell ascension has been so key for them. You ask case of wild case of wilders
Can you do a little bit more off the off the dribble can you do a little bit more attack your clothes out
All of this slow watching bands trying to guard wimpy after all that D.P. O.I. talking about your game
You have all of this stuff that is going on with the thunder shade is at the center of of everything and I just I don't think that he has done anything to
To drop in standings at all. Yeah, I agree. Yeah
It's the fourth video we've made the past two years being like won't be here won't be here won't be here
We're getting a last year. He said oh damn won't be the top 10 player
Beginning of this season after first three games. Just a damn won't be the top five player
Now here we are wimpy's a top what player maybe one people are starting to feel that way and it's not ridiculous
Let's have this conversation after after June. Yeah, like once the once the playoffs are fine
And we've said this before not that any of us. I don't think anybody in the world
Unless you like super super hate wimpy in the spurs. I don't think anybody is thinking okay
He's definitely gonna flop. He's gonna fail
No, we think that he's gonna go in and do all the stuff that he's been doing and change playoffs series and leave the spurs
Moonforward that's fine
We just need to see it just has to be done. It's a prerequisite. Yep, and you just have to complete it
Yeah, you're gonna get an a plus on the in the class anyways. You just have to get the credit. Yeah, I agree
uh
Kind of feels like
Only teams have a chance to win the finals now
Spurs spurs Celtics. I agree. Yes. I hate it so much. It's really a three team race to me
Dude, you know what I feel like it's worst about right now. Fuck now. Yeah
You know, what am I supposed to tell my my boss now and you're gonna be sad maybe those west teams
I think they're giving them foot. Yeah, I'm gonna need to see it again
I know right what am I supposed to tell my son like 30 years from now that yeah
And then be history. He had this guy average like 30 12 and 10 shoot like 40% from three got no movies and both of those years
That just feels like I'm a little quick. No, you're okay. Oh, you're 12 and 10 both of them the fact that they both not gonna be
I don't know what the fuck I thought you you're just naming numbers
Charlie 30
Third, but I can't I can't listen man races that we go on all year long pro
So these two seasons are going to be the best offensive seasons of all time that not win MVP for sure
Is Luca going to be the best player and everyone in MVP?
One of the years here. Well, Luca. I think he's gonna be the best player all time to never win an MVP
Well, that's great. Is he third on y'all's baller right now?
With the looper. Are we okay? Sure, whatever you don't care about it. I don't know about going down
It's like yeah, third is like all right him after two
Yeah, yeah, sure everyone out. I mean listen if you are third you can
You can call that your MVP year. True. If you have nothing else, I won't be like
All right, for me, it's whoever whoever solidifies that third seed. Yeah, you can call him third friend
Who's the best player in MVP right now?
Deweyed right now. I think Luca's like that's that's that's possible. You can take that chain
Yeah, oh, no, 90 wait. Yeah, I guess it's a good example
Or just like for a career like the best player all-time to never win one
So all the top 10 players have one all the top 15 players probably the top 20 players have one
Yeah, so it's probably it's probably around that like 25 range probably deweyed man
I think we're just probably gonna be a top 25 player
Yeah, I had worse. It'll be top 30. He's gonna be a virgin's heart and is that worse? I think
Which is like oh people I think we'll rank him around 30 35
Poor guy. What the fuck is gonna have to do to a MVP for a lot of season? I don't know get a one seed
Probably get a one seed that's that's it
You have a full season of being the best team in the conference because clearly stats ain't it
Yeah, we know that the in the post James heart you can blame James heart in the post James heart and area people are
Done awarding heliocentric stats that don't necessarily translate to the degree your peers do as one seeds or whatever
People are done with 30 10 and 10 being automatic MVP. You got to have some wins with it
I love that that old tweet. That was like
We call it heliocentric now miss when we just call them ball hogs
You know what yeah
All right
Yeah, the lake is come on next year and they're the one seed wide-wire at least in the conversation for the ones
You like the spurs are now and maybe they get within a game of it
But they're neck and neck for a whole season. That's what Luke has to do. He's never done that before
Yeah, that's crazy
He can get that shit man. I don't know
Maybe it's a little bronca's back from the middle of next year has for well tour cuz bron is playing now
And we go out and we get as a hard and Stein and bron is about his watching you're right man. I know
You guys skills
Your pain works as a pain wats is coming
They got a salary don't cam Johnson to pay him so maybe we got cam Johnson for free instead of paying Watson
Bron for the minimum another defender
Tari eason is playing like shit. We can snag him for 25 million a year so we can fix him
That's actually I think very much happened that part Tari yeah, I can see that values in the gutter. Yeah, give me Tari eason cam Johnson the bron James
This is man
Year three broni is pat bill contributing. We can get a one seed
Broni looking nice and I ain't going. I've never lost faith
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