Victor Wembanyama Might Become The Youngest NBA MVP Ever... | TD3 Clips

It is only right that we start today's episode by talking about the newest potential MVP of the league Victor

Women Yama has gotten a surge in MVP discourse mba.com's updated MVP ladder has him in first place

Overshay the bedding on's make it to seem like kind of comes down whoever gets the number one seed

How do you guys feel about this rise and discourse if people wanting to make when be the youngest MVP ever?

This is their their role is getting on. I don't know their role is getting on. Yes. Yeah

I don't like like soul train doing splits down the line. Oh wow. It's it's a lot

Soul train. It's a lot. It's creative. They're in a ladder movement

It's this this is a it's a bit much like I

I have been on the train of like I think when we should be above Yokech in the discourse

I agree with that I think that he has been more impactful than that but

One of the things that people keep pointing to obviously like the defenses is amazing for Wembee and the offense

It's it's coming along and they're like you know the spurs in the last couple of in the last like 25 Wembee games

They're 23 and two or 24 right whatever the number is

Guys that's happening right now. Do you remember at the start of the season when the thunder were 24 and one yeah

So you have identical stretches in the season of these like great long runs by these teams highlighted by these players

They cancel each other out. So now let's let's talk about the season at large

Let's talk about everything that Shay has done where I do feel like especially at this point

Shay has to like lose it and there are certain moments in MVP years

Um or just in seasons in general where the guy who had at the beginning at the beginning of the year

Might have like a two weeks long we've seen that from Yokech where he's had like three three weeks

You know before where it's just not up to par and then you could say okay

You allowed somebody else to get in. I don't feel like Shay has had a drop-off to where he has allowed Wembee to get into the conversation

More so then Wembee has written above everybody else. Yes exactly. I agree. I think

This is shameless because not shameless on Wembee's ended none that he did wrong necessarily

I think it's about how this conversation has developed over time going back to what you said

There's no drop-off in Shay's game at all and I'm like a hundred and ten percent on board for having Wembee specifically number two

Yokech. Yeah, he dropped off. Yeah, like he over the last like I don't know two weeks or so his three percent is

Down the fucking drain. I think you should like 90 percent and also like the den of the den of nuggets overall sinking overall

But like they they have not been a good product to watch over the last 30 or so games

So that's fair and that's fine

But in order to see like Wembee leap over Shay. I feel like nothing's changed substantially since the start of the year at all

Like there's been no new development in his game at all. There's he hasn't like

Overcame the stuff offensively that's been holding him back from people from people outright calling him like the best player in the world

Still to this day

I haven't heard anyone call Wembee the best player in the world

And you don't necessarily have to be the best player in the world to win an MVP at all

But more so those conversations are lean towards like Yokech. It's has been for the most part

And now Shay's it feels like Shay overrides overcame that and he's viewed as that

And I don't even think anyone's called called Wembee that just yet. So it's forced

Y'all right

I don't think I'm hating. Yeah, we're not because they I do agree. I chase the MVP

I think you will win MVP

I don't think the actual voters are gonna do enough to go towards Wembee side that I think Shay has it solidified

He will be the MVP. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest it's like to women Yama

It's a whole season. We're saying key if you were saying he can be second. He can get this

I don't know like sneaky playoff and be a sneaky MVP push if they get the one seed you'll have this sneaky second argument

All this stuff we're kind of dancing around it by adding modifiers that he can be second place or just behind the favor

Or whatever other verbiage you see people use

That means he's in striking the sense of being the MVP

He's taken a legitimate leap in the second half of the season offensively

He is much better over less 20 games offensively as a score than he was to start the year when things that look if he after hot start

He truly is bending the game in a defensive way that we've never seen before which you know was well talked about

He's completely good enough offensively has completely enough in fact

The on-off numbers all suggested the advanced data all suggested it

It's not in the same way as the guards that dominate the league

But he is one of the most impactful offensive players in the league with when I say both back to the top 10 to 12

Whatever and defense. He is so far ahead of everybody else that he bends the game in the same way

Yokush does offensively look at us offensively in a way that I know we don't normally give

MVP consideration to like the best defenders

He's different. He's better than the best defenders of the past decade while being way more offensively suited than the other guys are

I think he has a legitimate case that if you tell me you are a voter with a real award vote

If you're Kendrick Perkins and you tell me you want to vote wimby

I don't think that's how landish if you if you vote wimpy mvp

I think that I think one and if you if you feel this way cool bomb and you do to stand on it move forward

If if you vote him mvp

You are stamping that right now in this moment. He's the best player in the world

And do you think that's a crazy opinion to hold? I think I maybe I don't agree right now

I put him third or whatever. I don't think it's crazy to feel the way at all

I would say for a majority of people knowing

Knowing how a majority of the people in the media operate and knowing

The the standards and the checkpoints that people normally require of people

I would say that for a majority of the voters saying that and giving wimpy the vote would be

Would would be different from what they've done previously. I see what you're saying and I understand that it is different because of many factors

And he's he's different and he is not normal. I know he's he's different, but I also think again

I

It's not like she has

Even stayed the same from where he was last year or she has she has also leveled up

He's also gotten better and when when you look at when you look at what he's done from a from a totality of a of a season

Where obviously wimby's case is primarily driven by what he's done in the second half of the year

Not just though, just primarily that's the that's the first driving force

He's obviously been like good the entire year, but the a lot of a lot of the points that that people are making are

Armingly from the second half of the year

And so I'm just going based off of like what the arguments are they've been the two seed all year

So I know your point he's gotten better offensively

I wouldn't put it that way at all that makes it sound like he's having this like luca type run where he gets substantially better

The last three weeks it's not that well, I think I think a little bit. Yes, because he did deal he did deal with the cap injury

Early on in the season and we saw him be on a on even more of a minutes restriction early on so I think in terms of seeing like

the in terms of seeing wimby in like his full game a majority of that has come in the second half of the year as opposed to the first half

Correct, you're right

He dealt with that in the minutes and that's been a big talking point on Twitter of all the fans of all the guards coming together to slander him

Saying like joelle says here when is the last time a player want MVP coming out the bench or 50% of the season

And they're saying he has less minutes played for the entirety of the season than Lebron James does who is not

Not available not available to win awards because he didn't play 65 games because he has not been on a minute restriction all year and doesn't average 30 minutes

For game average 29 which is the lowest of any MVP ever

I understand all that and if that's what you hold against him and why you can't win MVP because he doesn't play enough minutes

Okay, that means you're probably a games play type of guy and it means a lot to you. I am not

I don't care that much because he is the most impactful player in the NBA next to Shay and jokich

All those guys are bunched up at the top of all the impact metrics when he plays

I don't think it disqualifies him because his team

He elected to play him in a certain way that gets the most out of him

Yannis wanted to be with 30.7 minutes per game for similar reasons

Bud played him in short bursts because they know

He'll let him go a million miles prior on both sides of the court and take a rest come back on the court

Play a million miles per hour on both sides of the court again

That'll get the most out of him rather than him playing 36 minutes and being tired and not able to get the full effort

Part of it is a little managing because of injury

Part of it is that too for wimpy that he truly is maximized in this way that that's not inherently bad to me

When when he's on those court for those minutes

He's incredibly impactful more than anybody else if he played 36 minutes a night

He'd be unanimous MVP by the way. He's playing right now. He's not so now he's in the combo that already kind of

Takes in some value of those minutes. I think

Yeah, I don't know. I I understand and

If he did get those opportunities, I'm not gonna sit here and say he wouldn't be unanimous MVP

His numbers as is offensively are are like stunning

But over the last of 10 games or 20 games or so. I feel like that's even over bone because I'm looking at his numbers right now

He's average and like the same 23 24 12 rebounds for his student like 33% from the field or from 3 point line and 48 from the field

Like I'm sure things do feel different

I will say on the court in the process just feels smoother

But overall like that leak at least assist statistically

Offensively again only offensively has not been there as much as it should be to warrant

Granting in him because you're just looking for someone like Shay

That's not to say overall. It's not about the it's not just about he's putting the ball in the basket though

He's playing some better the impact he has the gravity has the role man is truly crazy

The team is really ramping up because of that like everything comes together because of him

And like I saw people were doing the minutes thing. I forgot who pointed out somebody on Twitter

Yes, he's nowhere close minutes. Why is the top guys?

He's second in the entire NBA in total plus minus which isn't per game

It's total plus minus in your minutes

Which total plus minus isn't some stat that we're going to point to for anything meaningful in every p argument

But when you're looking at minutes and saying he doesn't play enough

That's a good stat to show that like it doesn't matter

He's still producing more than everybody besides Shay in those minutes

That that that means something to me that does that kind of nullifies the minutes played argument to me

It does and that's why that's why he's second like he's better

You know, he's better than everybody

I think then everybody outside of shade this this year and like Shay has sat multiple

Multiple fourth quarters as well, and he's had some in the state taking off of his load

I think

Do you look at what Shay has done

As a clutch player this year and he's gonna he's gonna win, you know, a clutch player of the year because

Even if you like if you go to NBA.com and you look at at the numbers like there's a there's a group of people that are kind of close in terms of total points in clutch

And then to somebody way above and that's Shay

And so I think that for a regular season stuff games get I think games played minutes played all that stuff

I think it does come into account a little bit more just because

Every single night being available for for your team and being there for a team

That also has gone through injuries upon injuries upon injuries. Yeah, and this is two straight years that like we're gonna

Look up and the thunder are gonna have the number one seed and this is two straight years that they're gonna do that with

Having holes in their roster

For weeks at a time because one of their core members is out and one of the main constant and deconstant for that team is Shay

Is Shay in his scoring and the number that you always point out about his efficiency and his

His true shooting percentage and how like we only we only get this from you know all time seasons and from big man

He's shown that as a as a guard

What Shay is doing and the level that he's gotten to this year? I do think that it separates him

Even for if you think that's the slightest margin because you want to put one be at two or you think that he can be one

That's fine. I think ultimately though

Shay has not done anything except for get better

Yeah, and we were having conversations a week ago about it's either best play in the world

I think he should get the MVP. I agree. Yeah, if I'd have a I'll give it to him as well in some part

This is what happens every year when somebody's a clear fear for so long people get bored

I want to give to somebody else and start a conversation

I just think this is a little more worthy than pass examples of that or like that's fair

That's very fair. I think the only thing I'm saying is that like if you believe this and want to vote him

It's not a wasted vote. It's not silly. It's not slandering Shay or just hate like I think he's a very worthy secondary candidate

His case is very different and I value Shay and everything he's done to everything you said I agree with season some start season to end

dealing with the injuries he's the MVP

But I think the

uniqueness of when these case the uniqueness of him as a defender the uniqueness of him as a

Ombal gravity type of player that can be a screen setter a floor spacer a slasher all the things he does that are so unique

If you want to say that culmination of things gives him a unique MVP argument that others don't have and maybe looks a little weird compared to past cases

I don't think he's doing too much at all

Yeah, yeah, I can I can agree to that

But also I see someone like Shay and I see the unique the uniqueness within his story as well and going back to what you said

Like just not having a consistent complete roster throughout the entire year

Ludo dork been having injuries Corusso bent in and out of course as it hard stands continuously in and out the second best player in

Zeta his

Continues have been trying to find his way through and through they later

He had to make it in season in season trade because the shooting was surprise surprise in fucking hell

But nonetheless like Shay just continuously literally gets better off of his MVP season last year and is more efficient player

All around the field bro that just doesn't make any sense with all the changes that's been happening around him

He just remains consistent. I think he's MVP. Yeah, I agree and uh, but I do think when he's definitely second and obviously your fans hate that look at fans hate that

They're gaining up to point to the minutes thing as the main thing

People are mad people people people smell the blood in the water. They smell the wimpy era here kind of mad their faves are gonna pass up

I think what's jarring is how fast it's happened and how like the spurs overall are like a legitimate

Legitimate considered. I feel like that's for me personally. I can't speak very well

So but for me personally that's been like the more shocking thing

Yeah, I'm mad about this was a shocking because you mentioned me look at that technique

Technique technique. We talking break break this down for us please. You see his hands. He has big hands. All right, man

That's what I do a man. That's enough. This is right

But I'm really sorry. It's real value

It is unique the way he's coming up so fast and people were like yeah

You guys were to crown this guy hasn't done anything in the playoffs and so forth

Which is some degree I understand if he does go outside he will get slanted for it

That comes to the territory of being hyped up so fast

It's not exactly surprising that he has an unprecedented rise after being an unprecedented prospect

An unprecedented rookie unprecedented second year player now he's unprecedented second year. I mean third year player

Kind of stands for reason

Yeah, that's that yeah that trip and man. Oh, sometimes you do got a bounce on it

Sometimes yeah, I look like Tiana Trump. That's my MVP

You know affairs my MVP. You know what you've never told me anything about you other than the fact that you are kinky souls

So you're telling me that you are what I think you are

So I can't even be mad at you for saying that that's not ridiculous to say

That's not ridiculous. It's not ridiculous to say that sometimes you got a bounce

You got a prop of the stars of the future

You know what I'm saying and you've made that clear from day one of you on this show

So I can't not get mad at you right now. I can't even laugh at you right now. No, because you are true to self

I am not a big and say that. I really do have one yet

Yeah, I would like Tiana Trump sometimes

This is the best

You try to get it. Please

He's one of the players in the world

Yeah, we can stop saying the like oh soon maybe next year. He's like top five whatever

Earlier in the season. I said when we were doing our predictions episode

I made some like half-hearted prediction where we're just talking where I'm like I'm feeling uh

And when we tap run where we say definitively he's the best point in the world after this postseason

We're right on track for that. I

I don't feel like again, but that's different from piotta understand

Yeah, and even anything that anybody's saying about best in the world

I'm not shocked by any of it

We were saying this the day he walked in we've been we've been expecting before he walked in yes

We've been expecting this so I so the rise or anything or or the thing of saying that he's the best in the world

That's not crazy

The when you look at the NBA as a whole the craziest part about it is

Hey, there's another guy who has just leaped everybody like yo-kitch is average it

Yo-kitch on any given night is gonna is gonna go out onto the court and he's gonna get you 35-15 and nine

35-15 and nine

And do it all the time and we're gonna be like yeah, you're actually

Getting passed up right now. That's crazy. There's actually another guy who every single night

He's gonna get minimum the floor is 20 points

He's gonna do that he's gonna be as efficient as as possible

He's gonna go win a title with the team that not only once again is dealing with all these injuries

Just a broke offense

They want they want a championship last year because of their defense because they got timely offensive production

But that was the that was the Achilles heel for the Thunder last year

And it's the same thing this year where every single time we look at their at their team

And we look at the roster and the people that they're putting out onto the floor

Like she had just like a little bit more offensive juice

That's why you ask for things from chat home grain of like can you put the ball on the floor a little bit more

That's why the AJ Mitchell ascension has been so key for them. You ask case of wild case of wilders

Can you do a little bit more off the off the dribble can you do a little bit more attack your clothes out

All of this slow watching bands trying to guard wimpy after all that D.P. O.I. talking about your game

You have all of this stuff that is going on with the thunder shade is at the center of of everything and I just I don't think that he has done anything to

To drop in standings at all. Yeah, I agree. Yeah

It's the fourth video we've made the past two years being like won't be here won't be here won't be here

We're getting a last year. He said oh damn won't be the top 10 player

Beginning of this season after first three games. Just a damn won't be the top five player

Now here we are wimpy's a top what player maybe one people are starting to feel that way and it's not ridiculous

Let's have this conversation after after June. Yeah, like once the once the playoffs are fine

And we've said this before not that any of us. I don't think anybody in the world

Unless you like super super hate wimpy in the spurs. I don't think anybody is thinking okay

He's definitely gonna flop. He's gonna fail

No, we think that he's gonna go in and do all the stuff that he's been doing and change playoffs series and leave the spurs

Moonforward that's fine

We just need to see it just has to be done. It's a prerequisite. Yep, and you just have to complete it

Yeah, you're gonna get an a plus on the in the class anyways. You just have to get the credit. Yeah, I agree

uh

Kind of feels like

Only teams have a chance to win the finals now

Spurs spurs Celtics. I agree. Yes. I hate it so much. It's really a three team race to me

Dude, you know what I feel like it's worst about right now. Fuck now. Yeah

You know, what am I supposed to tell my my boss now and you're gonna be sad maybe those west teams

I think they're giving them foot. Yeah, I'm gonna need to see it again

I know right what am I supposed to tell my son like 30 years from now that yeah

And then be history. He had this guy average like 30 12 and 10 shoot like 40% from three got no movies and both of those years

That just feels like I'm a little quick. No, you're okay. Oh, you're 12 and 10 both of them the fact that they both not gonna be

I don't know what the fuck I thought you you're just naming numbers

Charlie 30

Third, but I can't I can't listen man races that we go on all year long pro

So these two seasons are going to be the best offensive seasons of all time that not win MVP for sure

Is Luca going to be the best player and everyone in MVP?

One of the years here. Well, Luca. I think he's gonna be the best player all time to never win an MVP

Well, that's great. Is he third on y'all's baller right now?

With the looper. Are we okay? Sure, whatever you don't care about it. I don't know about going down

It's like yeah, third is like all right him after two

Yeah, yeah, sure everyone out. I mean listen if you are third you can

You can call that your MVP year. True. If you have nothing else, I won't be like

All right, for me, it's whoever whoever solidifies that third seed. Yeah, you can call him third friend

Who's the best player in MVP right now?

Deweyed right now. I think Luca's like that's that's that's possible. You can take that chain

Yeah, oh, no, 90 wait. Yeah, I guess it's a good example

Or just like for a career like the best player all-time to never win one

So all the top 10 players have one all the top 15 players probably the top 20 players have one

Yeah, so it's probably it's probably around that like 25 range probably deweyed man

I think we're just probably gonna be a top 25 player

Yeah, I had worse. It'll be top 30. He's gonna be a virgin's heart and is that worse? I think

Which is like oh people I think we'll rank him around 30 35

Poor guy. What the fuck is gonna have to do to a MVP for a lot of season? I don't know get a one seed

Probably get a one seed that's that's it

You have a full season of being the best team in the conference because clearly stats ain't it

Yeah, we know that the in the post James heart you can blame James heart in the post James heart and area people are

Done awarding heliocentric stats that don't necessarily translate to the degree your peers do as one seeds or whatever

People are done with 30 10 and 10 being automatic MVP. You got to have some wins with it

I love that that old tweet. That was like

We call it heliocentric now miss when we just call them ball hogs

You know what yeah

All right

Yeah, the lake is come on next year and they're the one seed wide-wire at least in the conversation for the ones

You like the spurs are now and maybe they get within a game of it

But they're neck and neck for a whole season. That's what Luke has to do. He's never done that before

Yeah, that's crazy

He can get that shit man. I don't know

Maybe it's a little bronca's back from the middle of next year has for well tour cuz bron is playing now

And we go out and we get as a hard and Stein and bron is about his watching you're right man. I know

You guys skills

Your pain works as a pain wats is coming

They got a salary don't cam Johnson to pay him so maybe we got cam Johnson for free instead of paying Watson

Bron for the minimum another defender

Tari eason is playing like shit. We can snag him for 25 million a year so we can fix him

That's actually I think very much happened that part Tari yeah, I can see that values in the gutter. Yeah, give me Tari eason cam Johnson the bron James

This is man

Year three broni is pat bill contributing. We can get a one seed

Broni looking nice and I ain't going. I've never lost faith