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Want to welcome everyone back to the pecanion show?

Paul Farron Heights back.

Hey, don't, Paul.

Very well, Mr. Pete.

Thank you again for having me back on

and we're taking a little break from the Spain series today

to talk about something else.

Yeah, so I guess this started with Yaki.

You know, reading Yaki and talking about Yaki

on the show with you mostly.

We talk about high culture and Yaki claims

that the United States can't have a high culture

because they're a colony.

So then you start asking that question.

You start thinking about that and you're like,

all right, well, did we have a high culture

and you ask people and people,

some people have no idea what you're talking about

because what the hell's a high culture?

And then I asked Thomas about that on an episode

that we did where we just took a break

and hit a bunch of different subjects.

And he said, yeah, America's high culture was in the South.

And then you contacted me and you were like,

you know, that's interesting.

It's good to hear Thomas say that.

Then I had John Harrison talking about, you know,

Virginia first, the 1607 project.

And that's when you reached out and you said, yeah,

is in the South, but America's high culture was in Virginia

or was Virginia is Virginia if there's that B1 in the future.

So I guess that's a little bit of a setup

that I'll let you just run and I'll interrupt

when I have a comment.

Absolutely, yeah.

And you know, before I contacted you,

I texted Thomas about it actually.

And he, you know, because he followed up that comment

saying it was in the South, he said,

although as much as you could say,

Virginia is in the South.

And I said to Thomas, I'm like, so Virginia,

I wanted to clarify and I asked him,

well, is Virginia the high culture?

He said, yeah, that's basically what I was saying.

You know, the South was kind of,

the South was kind of a later iteration

of what happened in Virginia.

And I think, and this, this answered this question

that's been sitting on my mind for a very long time.

Because, and yeah, and also that John Harris episode,

very, very good.

I enjoyed it.

I then watched the whole, the 1607 project,

Virginia first documentary,

which I think raised a lot of interesting points.

And I have my disagreements with the Abbeyville Institute,

but I think this, that was a very well done documentary.

And I think everyone should go in them,

should go and watch it if they can spare

about an hour and 30 minutes.

I think it's really well put together

and to buy the book and read it.

I read a couple of the essays from it,

but, and also that essay, that one particular essay,

the first one, it gets the name from Virginia first,

which was written by Lion Gardner Tyler.

I might quote from it a couple of times,

it quotes from it in the documentary as well

over the course of this stream.

But basically, I talked to Thomas,

I listened to this John Harris episode,

I watched the Virginia first project.

And I thought about, you know, Mr. Pete,

I've been writing this American mythos.

I wrote a country squires notebook about a,

think about a little bit over a year ago.

That was like this first little installment of it.

Not all takes place in Virginia.

It's a little short stories of Virginia.

And I call that the first installment of the American mythos,

but it's set in Virginia.

And I think it's because my instincts kind of felt

around this sort of vein.

Obviously, you know, you come in,

the horse you ride in on is the horse you ride in on.

And, you know, and Spangler and Yaki's idea of a high culture

of what it is, of what it constitutes is, you know,

is how I've begun.

And so I started thinking to myself,

it's like, well, you know,

Homer almost invented the Greeks

with the Odyssey and the Ili,

he invented the Helines.

And those were their founding texts.

Those were their canon, the Iliad and the Odyssey.

And the mythology kind of fell under that.

And, but he took that from the components

which pre-existed it, the component parts of the Helines,

pre-existed Homer.

It's just as a self-conscious civilization,

which by the way was the, you know,

was the first inheritors of the message of Christ

after the Hebrews who converted.

And so very clearly, God had a significant plan

for that civilization for the Greeks.

He wanted them to develop as a culture

because it's what the New Testament was,

was I believe was first written in

between some Aramaic as well, but, but that's,

and so that kind of shows God, you know,

history is that was the study of history

is the study of the genius of God in history.

As Thomas says, and so, you know, I don't assume,

I don't, unlike a lot of people,

I don't actually believe history has ended,

I don't actually believe the Eskitan is upon us.

Which means, of course, that we are going to have

to ask ourselves the very hard and difficult questions

of what kind of future do we want to set up now?

Well, we have this media outreach,

while we have this access to all of this information

to all of these texts, to start learning old ideas

and trying to reconstitute, you know,

a novel idea is always an attempted reconstitution

of an older lost idea.

And this is, you know, I could,

I believe that such is necessary for the civilization

that currently inhabits the North American continent,

south of Canada and north of Mexico.

And which kind of brings me to the sort of, you know,

before I say the thing, I have to say it is not, right?

The United States, everyone kind of understands

the United States is a legal title, right?

The United States of America, that's a legal title.

It doesn't really necessarily describe,

and even if at one point it did,

it's kind of, I think the mental technique

is to tide up within propositional nationhood,

which by the way, has a grain of truth.

There is a grain of truth in the concept of nation's being ideas,

you know, England, England wasn't England

until you put the Anglo-Saxons there

and then you put the Normans there

and then it became, it was cultivated into being England.

Does that make sense, Mr. Pete?

You know, that was what the people had within them

that they then projected outward onto their land

and the land fed back to them.

And does that make sense, or am I, you know,

playing with too much, playing with too much leftism?

No, the culture has to evolve.

Absolutely, yeah, yeah, it absolutely does.

And the culture, but it also kind of comes from,

it's a feedback loop.

It has an initial initiating point with, you know,

internally within the people as the English demonstrated,

if you pick up Englishmen and put them in South Africa,

or you put them in Australia, or you put them in New Zealand,

or you put them on the North American continent,

even in a place like Canada versus a place like, you know,

what the United States would then become.

They attempt to replicate what they had before,

but altered, right?

Altered to fit, they try to build the same institutions

that give them the same rights,

but they make them idiosyncratically focused

on the particular region, or locale,

or land that they find themselves in.

So there is, you know, so so, anyway,

but the problem is with the United States,

and I think the United States has,

I mean, every so often the United States

has identity crises, and every time we come up

with a possible solution, you know,

unless it's the right solution, it isn't solved.

And I've found unsatisfying the variety of answers

that have been put forth.

Obviously, everyone agrees that, you know,

America is not just this propositional nation.

Everyone who loves freedom isn't an American,

can't be an American.

That's a complete desiccation of the concept,

and it's actually completely separate from

what was attempted to be founded.

But if you go prior to that, if you go before that,

the United States has this sort of like, you know,

white man's republic between North and South,

this grand unity around the capital P progressive era,

I also find this deeply unsatisfying,

because that's just a picture of the 19th century.

Everyone was talking like that in the 19th century.

Now, that's a lot more genuine for Australia,

which was founded kind of at that Victorian,

you know, one of the contentions I've always had,

Mr. Pete, is that institutions and a race as an institution,

a tribe is, you know, an institution,

just because it is joined by blood,

it is also an institution.

Are snapshots of their founding?

Do you agree or disagree?

Yes, they have to be.

Precisely, well, and that's why Irish nationalism

is so stupid and like fake,

and everyone kind of doesn't like it,

because it was a snapshot of the era, it was founded,

it was founded at like the high watermark of leftism.

And like, you can't really separate this idea

of Irish nationalism from basically democratic socialism.

It's the same thing with basque nationalism,

although, you know, the basks, you know,

it's more so that the nationalism part

rather than the basque identity.

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But what was it like, England?

Although England's very old,

but England has always kind of been

the snapshot of the Magna Carta.

That's kind of like always the snapshot of really when

it's like the king is balanced off by his parliament,

king and parliament.

That's always been England forever,

at least that's the idea.

Germany is a very 19th century nation,

because it was founded in the blood and iron

of the 19th century.

And even to this day, it still has many 19th century ideas.

But the United States

isn't exactly, because that thing is like,

I think we get the founding wrong.

We get the founding wrong.

It's not, the United States is not a snapshot

of necessarily 1776.

Although, that's kind of how it has been conceived.

Even before that, even before the white man's republic,

you had prior to that, you had the sort of the,

like the gilded age of,

it wasn't the triumph of radical republicanism,

but it was like sort of America,

America is this sort of nascent industrial power.

And it's hard to kind of go through these various

conceptions of America's identity through time,

because prior to the gilded age,

it was like the radical rabid reconstructionism

of America's the place for us to uplift

the benighted Negro from his condition.

And then prior to that, even prior to the Civil War,

America was the republic of,

whether it was Andrew Jackson or,

yeah, the Jacksonian republic.

And then prior to the Jacksonian republic,

America was kind of this washing tonian vision.

And so this all, you can track this throughout time

is like these different conceptions of identity, all right?

And I think the problem with all of them

are that they get the founding date wrong.

The founding date of the United States

of English speaking settlement within

what currently fills the,

currently fills the borders of the United States

right now was six then.

There was almost 200 years of history,

which is almost a whole civilizational cycle,

at least like one of John, Sir John Glob's cycles.

That's 75 years shy of a cycle.

Just from 1607 to 1776.

You know, Mr. Pete, you know the first time independence

from Great Britain was discussed

in an English-speaking colony in North America?

I'm thinking 1600s, but tell me.

1615.

John Rolf, who was the first planter of tobacco

in the Jamestown colony.

I think this is after I think the starving times

or some terrible, it was terrible to live in Jamestown

for the first couple of decades.

It was not a good place to be.

There's a reason Virginia was founded

by mercenaries and prostitutes.

Because those are the only people

who you can send to the fringes, frankly.

Those are the only people who are made to survive there.

And today, when the problem with today, by the way,

isn't so much that their countries have ceased to exist,

but rather everywhere has become a border.

The core has been destroyed.

And that's why everyone is kind of acting

like a mercenary or a prostitute,

is because those are the only attitudes

that can survive in a borderland.

Everywhere's a border, you know Mr. Pete,

when they said Trump's campaign,

every state is now a border state.

I think that hit on a metaphysical reality.

Everywhere is now a border, because there's no center.

There's no core.

There's no source that anyone can draw from.

It's just everything is kind of left to its own devices.

But, and by the way, this is why I think,

I made this thread about this.

I think the metaphysical spirit of the ages

is reinforcing borders.

That's the heroic struggle,

is enforcing boundaries of any kind, right?

And when you enforce boundaries,

you necessarily create a core

that you are enforcing the boundaries of.

And that's why I think we're here today.

So, the first time independent,

some great Britain was discussed, was in 1615,

when John Rolf, I think he was,

I think that the British were trying

to levy attacks on tobacco,

which had literally just like not even Mr. Pete,

10 years after Jamestown is founded,

we have a recorded instance of a prominent notable,

talking about the idea of dissolution

of union with England.

This America, America, I've said this before,

but I believe, and I don't even think,

I don't even think the word America is sufficient

to speak of the specificity of Anglo-civilization

on the North American continent, all right?

Because if you say Anglo-civilization,

and also Anglo-civilization on the North American continent,

that's also not sufficient,

use Canada's right there, right?

Canada is a distinct place,

with a distinct, slightly different set of customs

from the United States.

You know, yes, they speak the same language,

yes, they are similar, but they're not the same.

I go up to Canada and it's a whole different place.

Canadiens come down here and it's a whole different place.

You know, even the difference between summer like Newfoundland

and Nova Scotia and like, you know,

and Alberta.

And so that's the thing, right?

You know, those are, these are slightly,

but those are both part of the broader Anglo-civilization

alongside Australia and New Zealand

and the Cape Anglos and South Africa

and even the English and in a great Britain

and the Scottish and the Irish and the Welsh

and the Old Testament and, you know,

and am I forgetting any English colonies?

I think that's all of them, but this is like all of this

is under, you know, what's called the Anglo-Sphere

is under the broad umbrella of Anglo-civilization,

but then you get down to the specifics.

New Zealand, despite being very small,

no one would deny that it's kind of its own unique place

with a unique sort of take on Anglo-civilization.

That is actually separate enough from Australia

to warrant because you know, they're separated by water,

to warrant separate treatment.

The problem here is not size.

The problem of the size of the location.

The problem here is the identity that is created, all right?

And so even America, America doesn't narrow it down,

you know, in that stupid civil war movie, you know,

the meme, you know, what kind of American are you

and he says South American, Central American, whatever.

I actually think that hits on something

because, you know, how do we refer to Latin America?

Oh, well, it's Latin America, you know, oh, oh,

how do you refer to shoot?

I mean, actually, no, I think, yeah, but Latin America,

but that's not the same civilization.

You know, they speak a different language,

fundamentally different, you know,

they're primarily at the offshoot of Spanish civilization

with vestigial holdovers of native civilization

in some places, which the United States, frankly,

does not have.

And this is kind of like, it's like,

America doesn't specify you enough

because Northern South America used to be referred

to as the America's plural.

It's a geographic designation.

It's not a cultural designation, all right?

Now, a cultural designation can also be

a geographic designation, but it has to be specific enough

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And this kind of brings us to the main crux of the issue,

Mr. Pete.

Is that right now the United States

is having an identity crisis?

Would you agree with that?

Well, I mean, anyone with eyes to see can see that.

I mean, it's, apparently a roar of Colorado now

belongs to Venezuela's Venezuelans.

Yeah, no.

Venezuelan gangs.

Exactly.

And that can only happen when no one knows

what the thing they're supposed to be enforcing is.

And so, yeah, so America's having an identity crisis.

An identity crisis is when you cannot grasp your hands

on something that you are.

Now, there is an idealistic component to identity.

I am not against idealism because if I were,

I would be a hypocrite, right?

However, you, an idea without anchoring in reality

is called a fantasy, right?

And the previous identity of the United States

is a fantasy and a fantasy can kill you.

And that is precisely why we're having so much issue

is that America has no tangible identity,

has no tangible idea that is rooted, that is tangible.

And that is the story.

Well, we do have an idea.

It's economics.

We're an open-air strip mall.

And that's what we've been sold since World War II.

World War II, or I've been told,

I don't believe this because I've studied the subject.

I mean, World War II is what got us out of the Great Depression.

Yeah, no, no.

So, go ahead, keep going.

So, of course, if, yeah, I mean,

if you actually believe that World War II

got us out of the Great Depression,

we should just be in constant war.

We should be bombing our own cities and rebuilding them.

Because, I mean, that would,

that makes the line go up, right?

Now, we're, our culture is business, is commerce.

And that's pretty much what the Navy protects,

but the military protects at this point, is commerce.

Well, yeah, and it didn't, it wasn't always that way.

There was always a strain of that, sure,

but every nation has to engage in commerce.

No one, I don't even, you know, Mr. Pete,

I don't think you're against engaging in commerce.

I don't even think you're against being particularly good at commerce amongst a nation.

No, not at all.

We should.

I'm with Friedrich List.

Free trade within a nation.

Hard tariffs on anything coming from without.

Absolutely.

Well, and that's, and that's just normal throughout most all of society, right?

You know, and throughout most, most civilizations throughout all history, right?

So commerce, like, you know, and people get too wrapped up in,

and I understand that, you know, the, the,

the holdover of oleanism, it's kind of,

it's, it's well on its way out.

But, you know, merchants themselves are not the problem.

It's when it's when the holes is, and really the, the,

as you said, the idea of economics that is kind of sort of founded in reality,

but it's more of a consequence to the lack of a tangibility.

When you have no ideal, the only thing you can pursue is like self-advancement,

self-gain, et cetera.

When you have no idea, that's the only thing you can pursue.

And that's why, yes, you are right.

You know, when people say the United States is a free trade zone,

they're not saying an ought, they're saying an is.

The United States right now is treated as a free trade zone,

because it treats itself as it is a free trade zone, right?

And this is beneficial to every other people's on the globe,

except for Americans, specifically the heritage Americans,

and those who have married in and those who have,

you know, who desire to identify, to join that tribe,

and to destroy their previous identity.

A simulation is actually a good thing.

It's just a simulation is misunderstood.

A simulation is the annihilation of the previous identity

in order to be incorporated into the new identity.

You talk a lot, Mr. Pete, about how your father was Pedro,

but he named you Peter, and he made sure that you grew up speaking English.

Yeah, I mean, that was, it wasn't even a question

as to whether I was going to learn to speak Spanish.

Now, as things have progressed, I wish I would have learned to speak Spanish.

Probably would have helped me in my career a couple of times,

but, you know, the point is, as I know,

I mean, we were raised to be Americans.

You know, my dad's, my mom's side of the family has been here

for over 200 years, but, you know, my dad's side of the family

became citizens during the Spanish-American War.

So, yeah, he was always, I mean, I was born in,

I was born in Heidelberg.

My dad was in the military.

My dad went into the military as soon as he was of age.

Got his grandmother to sign off, so you can go in at 17.

And it's just the kind of, it's the kind of environment I grew up in.

Absolutely.

No, by the way, fun fact for you.

If you ever get the time, I just remembered this.

You know, look into one of one of my favorite generals was actually

a Puerto Rican Marine Corps general by the name of Pedro Del Val,

although I'm sure you've heard of him or you're familiar with him.

Of course he is.

Yeah, he's in Puerto Rico, yeah.

Yeah, well, he was the most hard-rate, like, racialist general

that you'll find of that whole period.

Like, he made patent look like anyway.

He also, besides that.

But yeah, no, so this is the issue, right?

America, America, the nation that America is used to refer to,

which basically inhabits the entire, with a few exceptions,

the entire borders of the United States of America.

Like, this is not a, like, let's break the country kind of thing

that I'm trying to drive out here.

This is actually like, hey, why don't we pick the name that, like,

we actually are that tangibly places us somewhere.

Right?

And so obviously, you know, this isn't,

it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

However, I believe that the solution to America's obvious identity crisis,

it's lack of a bounded and rooted ideal,

is in the fact that Americans do not understand what their source is.

And I'm not talking about England.

They don't understand what their source is.

I'm here to tell you, the source of all culture

that we can positively identify as American.

That includes barbecue, that includes country music,

that includes, you know, like, like, the American farmstead ideal

that includes naturalism and the idea of stewarding

and protecting the environment.

That includes also, you know, even commerce in industry,

but it also includes the American military tradition,

the American naval tradition.

The American, all of it, is Virginia.

We live in Virginia civilization, not American, Virginia.

All right?

Now this is a bold claim.

I will proceed to back it up.

Everything proceeds from the first.

Everything proceeds from the first.

Everything proceeds from the source.

All right.

Virginia was the first.

Now, you could point it, Roanoke, Roanoke failed,

and everyone there died.

Jamestown was the first successful.

Being too early, by the way, is the same as being wrong.

A mutual friend told me that once.

But Jamestown was the first successful permanent English colony

in the United States.

And what is now the United States?

And from there, through the entire 17th century,

you see everything that characterizes American culture

play out there.

Because, you know, like, like,

ethno-genesis happens overnight.

It takes a while to cultivate, to cultivate an ethnose,

for an ethnose to fill sort of the book of its deeds,

right, Mr. Pete?

But ethno-genesis occurs overnight.

It's a snap.

It's instant.

Almost.

It's within the minds of everyone over one,

over one generation.

And it almost happens immediately.

Virginia dealt with almost all of the problems,

not only that we're dealing with today,

but that, you know, America has dealt with in the past.

If you want a really good example of how contemporaneous

this time period feels, you can go on the old glory club's

substat, read an article I wrote called

Bacon's Rebellion Three Lessons in Politics.

I'm really proud of that article.

Because it kind of perfectly extrapolates what I'm trying to say here.

All right.

Virginia in the 17th century,

almost faced the exact same problems that A we face today,

but also that is kind of perpetually repeated

throughout American history.

You know, you have this conflict between the frontier

and the established sort of coastal elites.

You know, that that is as early as as Bacon's Rebellion.

That is as early as the 16.

Is it 16?

I don't remember that.

I'm always terrible with Nate.

As early as the mid 1600s was this this this opposition

between a frontier, a sort of like real like I'm,

you know, like the the I don't want to call them the the

roles, but this idea of a frontier America of a of a hard

edge America versus sort of this coastal establishment

that always looks back to Europe.

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But also, if you look at the initial Virginia company

land claim, it includes pretty much the entirety,

the entirety.

Matter of fact, I'm going to look it up right now

just so I can fact check myself.

If we had it, we put it on the screen.

But everyone's seeing it, you can look it up.

It's the 1607 or the 1609 rather.

No, there was a 1607 claim before it.

Then there was a 1609 claim, which reduced it.

But the original claim included pretty much the entire

United States.

Actually, it was the 1611 grant that

added it.

So if you look at the 1611 grant, this is why I have to

fact check myself, Mr. Pete, just so I can, you know,

just so everyone can fall along.

All right.

The 1611 grant includes all of the present day modern

United States except for South Texas, like the southern

tip of Texas, the southern tip of Florida, South Florida.

And very notably, New England.

That's very interesting.

The initial the initial.

1611 Virginia grant, or not the, the 1609

Cape Fear Parallel was then superseded by the 1611

Virginia grant.

Now, it didn't stick that, but that was, you know,

the original land grant included.

It included Tijuana, Mexico and Vancouver, Canada.

It also included Alaska.

It did not include.

Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts,

Rhode Island, Connecticut, most of New York,

North Jersey and like the Northeast corner of Pennsylvania.

All right.

Which kind of brings me to this other, this objection

that you might raise.

All right.

Well, what about New England?

Virginia was founded in 1607.

Yes, but New England was founded in 1622.

I put forward to the listeners, all right.

New England is its own unique expression of Anglo

civilization on the North American continent.

Just the same as, just the same as, you know, you know,

you could even make the argument that like, you know,

Texas later on is another nation.

There's another expression and even California.

You know, those, those are kind of Texas and California,

the two big ones.

And some, some have also started talking about Alaska.

But those are the two like, you know, big ones of,

of like, you know, of like states that kind of, you know,

have almost a nascent national consciousness of themselves.

And this is the way of things, Mr. Pete, right?

Particularly in Anglo civilization.

What do Anglo's do?

They split.

They schism.

They found new places.

They lead.

They go elsewhere.

All right.

And so this is, and this is oftentimes,

this is why, you know, really ever since the,

you know, I hate going back this far.

But, you know, it's not quite 200 years past yet.

Ever.

It's actually a small little side.

It is every so often when I remember that the Civil War

isn't exactly even 200 years past yet.

I realize how recent it is.

It seems like it's ancient history.

But within history 200 years is about the,

the magic number before something completely cycles out.

You may disagree with that.

And people may,

may quibble over the, the actual amount.

But, but 200 years is about when any living memory or any,

any like,

because like to, we still have people alive today who have

met Confederate veterans or met Civil War veterans.

You know,

they're very old.

But, like, even though the Civil War itself is not in living memory,

the, the people,

the, the living memory of it is in living memory.

Right.

The 1600s is, of course, not.

But,

ever since 1865, you know,

and, and I don't mean to take talking points.

And I have no,

I'm not even really talking about Midwesterners or,

or, or,

or anything like,

because actually contrary to popular belief,

the Midwest was mostly settled by Virginia.

Virginians mostly.

If you, if you,

David Hackett Fisher who wrote Albion CD also wrote a book called,

Found Away,

Virginia in the Western Word Movement,

a later,

Virginia's later claims as a state,

you know, everyone knows about Kentucky and West Virginia.

However,

Virginia also claimed,

initially in the 17 prior to the,

before the Northwest ordinance,

created something like eight states.

Virginia had complete possession of the entire Ohio River Valley

and the Great Lakes.

It had possession of Ohio, Indiana,

Michigan, Wisconsin,

parts of Minnesota,

all of Illinois,

Kentucky and West Virginia.

Am I missing any?

I don't think so.

That whole, like,

the entirety of what we call the Midwest today was a,

was a territorial possession of Virginia,

all right,

and it was primarily settled by Virginians.

Really good example.

President Benjamin Harrison,

in the late 1800s,

rather unremarkable president,

didn't really do anything.

But,

he is the grandson of William Henry Harrison,

or was he,

is he the grandson of the Great Grandson,

of William Henry Harrison,

who was also the president,

and who were ran from,

I think it was like,

Illinois or Indiana or something like that.

He conquered the Midwest,

he fought in the Black Hawk War,

won at the Battle of Typical New.

Big War hero.

But he was from Charles City County, Virginia,

and his father was Benjamin Harrison,

Colonel Benjamin Harrison,

the fifth,

who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence from Virginia.

All right.

This is like,

I'm,

I'm good at,

it's good.

You're going to hear me say Virginia a lot,

because this is,

this is,

this is, I think you would admit,

Mr. Pete,

this is a rather big claim,

and so you have to kind of,

kind of back it up,

you know, American.

I,

and, and frankly,

what I am proposing

is that Americans cease self-conce-

heritage Americans

who are not specifically not from New England.

You can,

New England already has its identity.

You already know what to conceive as

if you're from New England.

That's,

it's the Puritan idea.

That is Puritan civilization,

or New England Puritan civilization.

All right.

It's a different expression.

It works in New England.

Um,

and everyone kind of knows where New England falls.

It's actually the most well-defined region in the United States.

It's,

it's main Massachusetts,

New Hampshire, Vermont,

Connecticut,

Rhode Island,

and

arguably upstate New York,

but arguably not upstate New York.

And it,

it really just depends on,

on, on what side of the fence you're sitting on.

Um,

because upstate New York

is actually one of the most, like,

archetypally,

like, American places

that you can go to,

and you can live in.

Um,

so I,

I, I suggest that's a separate concept.

Really good book on that.

It's called The City State of Boston.

Um,

and that is a sort of,

it, it's a maritime,

sort of, uh,

naval republic,

uh, with all, with,

a lot more similar to how North Sea states, like Norway,

like, you know, East Anglia,

like, um,

the Netherlands.

The Netherlands is,

you know, very similar to how, like,

New England,

the sort of the New England Yankee idea is.

Right?

Um,

that is its own civilization,

or not just not civil,

it's its own, like,

particular expression of Anglo-civilization.

That is not the entire United States,

and I think it is an issue

when you project that on the entire United States.

Now,

I am not a proponent of Balkanization.

I think that's stupid,

and I think that only helps America's enemies.

However,

I think it's important that we,

in order to solve this identity crisis,

we need to start self-conceiving.

Any part of the United States,

and I mean Pennsylvania is a, you know,

but it's also a commonwealth.

But Pennsylvania isn't New England.

Pennsylvania is a matter of fact,

it's a lot closer to Virginia

than, um,

than it is the rest of New England.

Um, it's actually,

it's also,

yeah, it's,

and it's also a commonwealth.

Um,

but besides Jamestown being the initial founding

and just about every colony after that,

getting supplied

and even settled largely by people who lived in Jamestown

and up in the,

uh, in the further Chesapeake Bay area.

Um,

besides that,

I'm trying to think of where I'm going to take this.

Um,

let me reassess real quick.

Do you have anything so far, Mr. Pete?

No, you know,

I'm just to, um,

defend my family from West Virginia.

I'm just to, um,

defend my family from Western Pennsylvania,

my mom's side of the family.

Um, they,

if you were to spend time with them,

and you were to spend time with, um,

like, say, my wife's family,

who's from, uh, Northern Georgia.

The,

they talk different,

but they're the same people.

Yeah.

It seems like those,

it seems like Appalachia is,

as long as it is.

And yeah, I've told this,

I've told this story to, um,

I was telling Lafayette Lee,

that if you walk out onto my front lawn

and you turn left,

you could see the very,

very last hills of Appalachia.

I live right at the end of Appalachia now.

And, um,

the,

if you walk,

if you go up it,

and you study the people,

even all the way up to Pennsylvania,

going up into,

even upstate New York,

it's,

it's,

remarkable,

how,

it's the same people.

It's, it's,

it's just,

I would dare somebody to argue with that with me.

Um, I don't know about now,

and I grew up a long time ago,

and spent more time out there,

um, when I was younger,

more time upstate New York,

in western New York.

But,

you know,

if it's not now,

there was a time when that,

that strip,

that strip of land,

like really meant something,

and it was,

there was something metaphysical about the,

how everybody who was tied to that land,

that were very similar,

no matter what state they were living in.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And I think, um,

and I think it's more than metaphysical.

I really think that, like,

even by blood,

they're the same Scotts Irish

or, uh,

border Anglo people.

Um,

and the thing is too,

is I,

I suggest Appalachian culture isn't really,

um,

Appalachian culture is the

21st century,

socially acceptable way to say southern culture.

They're fundamentally the exact same.

You know,

they do the,

maybe there's differences that mountain people have

with flatland people,

but they're both,

they would both be called Hicks

in a, in a different era.

All right.

And they're both,

they are,

they are fundamentally similar enough that,

that they,

you know,

they, uh,

that the comparison is there.

All right.

So,

let me continue this.

All right.

So,

everything that is recognizable,

I've said this earlier,

but everything that is recognizable as American culture

found its origin in Virginia.

What is the,

the,

the one,

like,

you know,

you know,

how like different ethnicities are kind of marked by the genre of food that they have,

you know,

Mexican food is kind of its own thing,

even though most of it comes from Texas,

and most of all of this wasn't in my white people,

but like,

um,

like,

food has its own

specific thing,

and specific flair,

and,

and Spanish food,

or,

has its specific flair,

and French food,

and,

and, you know,

anywhere you go,

it's like,

it's like one dish or a couple of dishes you can think of.

All right.

Um,

what is the American cuisine?

It's barbecue.

Absolutely.

It's barbecue.

Barbecue is the American cuisine.

Now,

there's Cajun food,

um,

but like,

almost everyone universally recognizes that the Cajuns are kind of just,

just aliens that are inhabiting the current borders of the United States.

It's not,

they're just not numerous enough.

They're not numerous enough to be,

you know,

anything,

anything serious.

Pray,

pray for sandwich.

So true.

Um,

but the American cuisine is barbecue,

and you know,

you know,

how you can tell us the American cuisine,

because frigging,

everywhere has got its own,

its own version of it.

All right.

But it is the American cuisine,

and it,

I'm not going to,

I'm not going to get into,

into,

into how it was invented,

and who invented it,

because that might make some people angry.

Um,

however,

it is,

it is,

it is,

it is distinctly American.

It has its origins of Virginia.

The specifically,

it was the switch

from

Martin to Pork

to Port.

Um. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh those were initially brewed in, um, I don't

know if they were initially brewed in Virginia, but they were brewed by

Virginians and also places. Um, you know,

and and, and, and I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm kind of on new

territory here. Um, and I'm trying to grab what I can.

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The point is it's like, shoot, let's talk about famous individuals.

You talk about prior to the country, prior to the foundation of the country.

The Virginians were always the first and the foremost amongst all the founders of various

American colonies.

The first families of Virginia, the Randolphs, the Carter's, the Lee's, etc., a lot of

them broke and formed a, you know, break off family branches and other states.

But most notably, during and after independence, right, Commander-in-Chief of the Continental

Army, very obviously George Washington was a Virginian.

The writer of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, was a Virginian.

I don't mean to rehash all of this thing, but if you look at American history, the

soup with the exception of the Adamses, of course, but the super majority of any notable

important founders or framers, right?

First Supreme Court Chief Justice, George March, or John March, not George March, that

was his descendant, John Marshall from Virginia, frame of the Constitution, James Madison from

Virginia.

You know, the Virginia dynasty of present, James Monroe gave his name to the entire hemisphere

in terms of the policy enacted by the United States and kind of remains in the minds of everyone.

Everyone knows what the Monroe doctrine is.

You know, it's Virginians, you know, you know, Virginians, they settled the Midwest, they

settled the Kentucky, they settled Tennessee, they settled in the deep south in a lot of

places.

And yes, they came, other settlers also came from places like Georgia and South Carolina,

sure, yes.

But it all, like there is a center, there's a core, there is a, you know, like there is

a source to the American identity, to everything that comes from it, you know, almost everyone

who you talk to will kind of agree that the more authentically American side of the

Civil War was the Confederacy.

And you know, Robert E. Lee and most all of that, you know, war, every Confederate state

gave like almost 80% of their manpower.

But Virginia, it gross, not net, gross, not, not, not, not per capita rather.

Virginia gave gross, more blood, treasure and all of that, mostly because it had more

to give, North Carolina gave more per capita, but, and the war happened in Virginia.

Several of Yorktown in the, in the American Revolution ended the, you know, theoretically

ended the, now the work went on for another couple of years.

But basically was the psychological end and victory of, of the American Republic happened

like, like two miles from Jamestown.

I could keep going on.

I mean, when Thomas Jefferson made the Louisiana purchase, right, and that really kicked

off the manifest destiny, marijuana, Lewis and William Clark were both Virginians, Lewis

and Clark were Virginians.

George Rogers Clark was a Virginian, another great explorer.

And if memory serves me right, Daniel Boone was, where was he born?

Oh, he's born Pennsylvania.

Anyway, sorry, I thought, I thought Boone was from, was from that wider area, but no, Boone

was born Pennsylvania.

Regardless, right, all of this is Virginia shoot, Westerns, Cowboys, that comes from Virginia.

All right, at what, what was the, the first great Western novel that inspired Louis

Lamore, Zane Gray, all of the great Western, Western, you know, this, that was like after

dime novels and before Westerns, as a literary, John was really established.

What was the first great Western novel?

It was called the Virginian, right, it was called the Virginian, it was written by

own Western, that's the, that is the, the great Western novel, is that novel that created

the whole Western genre, you know, like, like, I could talk about the military.

Tradition beyond Washington and Lee, you know, George Patton's family can trace its roots

to Virginia.

Douglas MacArthur's mother, you know, MacArthur is buried in Norfolk.

George C. Marshall came from Virginia, like, I could keep going on and on and on, but

like, you know, the, the, the point of this, Mr. Pete, you know, and I haven't talked about

Jefferson Jefferson.

People can kind of point to him as like the center of the American tradition.

I have personal issues with Jefferson, but I don't deny that he, he is fundamental to

the shaping of the American character.

And Monticello is kind of like this, this sort of like this, this micro, that would be

played up into macro of what almost every American dreams of one day having.

You know, you know, plantation culture, the rest of the South gets its, gets its culture

from Virginia, William Faulkner's great novel, Absalom Absalom.

The protagonist, Thomas Sutton, was White Trash in Virginia who wanted to, you know, who,

who couldn't go through the front entrance of a plantation house in the tidewater.

And it, he never, he never forgot it.

And then he went to Mississippi to try to rebuild, you know, this Virginia gentleman,

he's an aristocrat civilization in Mississippi with him as kind of the center, you know, so,

so like the examples go on and on and on.

I know, I understand that many, but argue, oh, we'll, Paul, you're biased because you're

from Virginia, you're, you're cherry picking these ideas, but no, I think, I think there

is something here, you know, the, I believe that, you know, someone once said that the

Civil War was when the North declared war on America, and New England kind of hijacked

the federal institution of the, of the United States government.

I'm not saying this, polemically, I'm not trying to fight today's battles with, with yesterday.

That's not what I'm trying to do, but I am saying is that New England is its own country,

is its own self insulated area, is its own sort of culture form as it were, is its own,

almost, you could even almost say that it's its own high culture in and of itself, just

in a smaller geographic area, it's its own cultural expression of broader Anglo civilization,

but America, whether you're in California, you go to California, rural California, and

it's, you know, Brigham border Anglo-Herters whose families came from Virginia.

I was in California going to, going to a wife's family members wedding, and yeah, I was,

and there were cowboys at that wedding, and I started talking to them, I'm like, oh, I'm

from Virginia, and they're like, oh, my family came from Virginia, they came out and they

settled here in the, in the, in the rural Sierra mountains, you know, after the Civil War.

Like, look, this is, this is not hard to track, you know, this is not particularly like,

you know, difficult. Yes, you could say, oh, well, they, what if they originated in Georgia,

or what if they originated South Carolina, or what if they originated in Pennsylvania, whatever,

yes, fine, but there was a first, and that first was the one who ensured that all those little

seeds after it were cultivated. Ships from Virginia supplied the, even in New England,

ships from Virginia supplied the Plymouth Bay, or the Plymouth, the Plymouth column, not the Plymouth

Bay, Massachusetts Bay was a separate thing. Supply the Plymouth colony, which was starving,

Virginia ships supplied it with food to keep it from, from Jamestown, to keep it from starving.

So,

that is kind of, to kind of sum this all up. You know, Virginia is, you know, from that 1611 grant,

it's just been made smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. It's been made more,

more, more, more specific of a place of like old Virginia, but the idea of Anglo-civilization on

the North American continent finds its genesis in Virginia. And I don't know if I would, if I would,

I mean, I might actually put this forward. This might actually help. This might actually solve

the problem is if you, you know, you changed, you changed the name of the United States of America

into like, you know, I don't know like the Republic of Virginia or something like that. You know,

names, names really do mean something. And the United States of America is kind of like a legal,

you know, it's, it's, it's impersonal. But France, the Netherlands or, or Holland or whatever,

or Spain, Portugal, England, these, these are places that are tied to peoples.

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the heritage American people, in order for them to continue as a self-conceived identity,

that is both an attempt to refound what existed in the past and a new founding, if you will,

and to make a break from the very harmful things in the past, I believe that

beginning the self-conception of Virginian civilization, as much as it can possibly be conceived,

I believe would solve the identity crisis that the United States currently faces.

Well, yeah, that's...

When you take into account, if you were to ask, I mean, 10 random Americans from 10 random states,

or, I mean, now you have it stuck in my head, you know, what kind of American are you?

You're going to get 10 different answers. There's nothing to rally around.

I guess that's one of the biggest problems, right? As soon as a country, as soon as a nation,

let's say a nation, as soon as a people starts to rally around something common,

war is declared upon them, and it doesn't have to be a shooting war. It could be

tens of millions of immigrants, just, you know, of foreigners, forced upon them. It could be,

when now a man can become a woman, it could be, you know, oh, you go to church,

yeah, I mean, we dismiss you for going, you're dismissed from any kind of, you want a job in academia,

and you go to church, now that's not going to happen. Oh, you're a white man? Oh, no.

This is what happens when a people decides that they're going to have a common identity.

And it's been happening for over 100 years.

And the ones who do get left alone, say, as a pan, they're under occupation anyway.

So I mean, really, what are they going to do? They can't build a military. They're not going to

become a military power. Yeah.

It's just teaching, just the United States, the nation, Americans, deciding that they're going

to have a common identity, means that war is going to be declared upon them. And I don't think

most people are ready for that. Well, and I, I agree with you, and I think that,

perhaps even the entire mental conception of the United States of the Americans is actually

in negation to that. There is no one American people. And if there was, and it's been changed,

but, you know, and even if Virginian is not the answer, I think it's a step, even if it is,

it is a step closer to what the answer is, because when you say Virginian,

you cannot think of anything other than Washington and Lee. Two of the most, you know,

Washington is still, is still, is kind of, you know, spared, but Lee is maligned.

And you have to. Good. I'm sorry. You have to remember. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I

agree. Virginia is, is the high culture, or was, and needs to get it back. But look what's,

look what's right there. You have Mordor has been set up right there. Look at Austin, Austin,

Texas, to me, Texas is its own country. It always has been. The Tejanos are like some of the

coolest fucking people on the planet. Sam Houston and Steven Austin were both born in Virginia.

Anyway, keep going. Yeah, you'll find the, in that, in that list of people, you'll find actually

my wife's dad's family name as, as, as founders. The, where's Fort Hood? It's an hour up the highway

from, from the Capitol. All you gotta do is roll tanks down there. It's an occupation.

There's no reason we should have military. There's a reason we have military bases in the United

States. And it is a reason that what 95% of them were built after the War of Northern Aggression.

It's not there to train the troops. It's there to quell the rebellion. It's there as a threat

to the people. Well, there was a, there was a similar issue with forts in the American territories

and mine a quote-unquote military occupation that Virginia, that Virginia responded to in the past.

So I do agree with you. You know, yes, there's, there's great powers levied against the idea of

a unified identity amongst amongst those people like, you know, the, that we call heritage Americans

and, and, whomever adopts that. But at the same time, you know, yeah, the power was over in

ocean the last time. But this time it just makes it all that easier for us to, you know, achieve

final victory. You know, it's, it's, it's, look, you know, if you want to be like the founders of

this nation who are all racialist Christians, by the way, no matter what, you know, with a,

so few notable exceptions, of course, there were days. It's there. There were, you know, people I

think should not be admired for their religious beliefs. But if you want to emulate that example,

which, by the way, was not the, was not the creation of something new. It was the restoration of

something old that had been lost. That was Jefferson's whole legal theory. Behind, behind separation is

that, you know, hey, you know, parliament has no authority. Their issue was not with the king,

by the way. Their issue was with parliament was that the, the, the, you know, Jefferson theorizes

that, you know, hey, since parliament did not aid in the establishment of the United States,

it was established almost entirely by private ventures with a little bit of, you know, state funding

here and there. But because it was not established with the aid of parliament, parliament has no

authority to tax the United States. And so therefore, the American colonies were only loyal to the

king, you know, as, as Englishmen were. And on the execution of Charles I was very much within

recent memory. So, you know, the idea that you could just simply declare yourself a separate nation

wasn't, whatever your opinions of Charles I and kingship and all that.

So, and frankly, you know, parliament, you know, I mean, I could even take the pro monarchist

point on this. It's like parliament under George III had completely abused its power, was totally

out of touch, was, was, you know, starting wars that, you know, I mean, that the, that the Americans

had to fight for, I mean, I don't know. And then taxing Americans without giving the

many representation with as, as to how they were governed, you know, Charlie main set into speech

at the OGC event, you know, things like, things like representation in government, things like,

you know, the rule of law, things like keeping your government and power accountable to someone.

Those are not bad things, you know, just because, and as a matter of fact, our problem today is not

with those things. It's with the, the absence of those things. We just live under a tyranny today.

We don't live under a good government. Yes, you can make critiques of democracy. And you can say that,

yes, people are stupid and don't deserve to vote, but America's Republic was not set up to be that way.

You know, the federal constitution was just a scaling up model of Virginia's constitution,

right, which was, you know, adopted in the mid 1700s by governor, governor Gooch who I think

is understudied because Virginia went through some serious political crises at that time.

And it was able to maintain a stable domestic political system that lasted well into the 1800s,

even up until the Civil War really. But, you know, like, but like, America had precedent.

America was modeled initially on the aristocratic republics of Europe. It was modeled off

of the Republic of Venice. It was modeled off of the Republic of the Netherlands. It was modeled off

of the Republic of the Commonwealth of England, you know, under Cromwell. This was, you know,

even even the Swiss Republic, right, this was precedent. You know, this was not beyond the pale.

And it was meant to be an aristocratic republic with land owning, you know, the active citizenship.

I think it was a 1796 was the first active citizenship that defined citizenship. And that's the free

of the land owning white men of good character. And that's what it was meant to be. That's what it

was meant to be in a friend of mine thinks that Jackson is where everything went wrong, but I don't

even want to want to approach that. But we're kind of going a little bit over the time we usually

do these for. So I'll kind of just, I'll just bring it back. Like, yes, common identity amongst

the people is attacked. Sure. However, the one place that has, frankly, the rural population,

the cultural memory, the traditions, the economic know-how, the military know-how,

not centralized within the government, but rather dispersed amongst the populace, although at an

increasingly, at an increasingly lesser and lesser rate, as the younger generations are

born and indoctrinated and specifically put into certain areas, this is the one place where

some sort of resistance to tyranny, you know, and what's the motto of Virginia? We all know

what comes to tyrants, what always comes to tyrants. This is the one place where it could work.

Using the model of the foundation of English speaking civilization on the North American continent,

that is not in New England, Virginia. And once again, I think that this is, that, you know,

before you even start something like this, you have to, there's a lot of idea work that goes into it.

And there were enough Americans who self-conceived of themselves as America only,

not British Americans, not colonists, not subjects, but a new, a separate people.

And perhaps the thing that helped them at that time has become our means of slavery in this time.

And perhaps the first thing we need to do is conceive of ourselves as something older

than American, something closer to what it is we're trying to recapture. And so that is just simply

the solution I present here in this episode. I'll also be writing an article on this, but this is

simply what I have to suggest.

All right. Well, I mean, I love it because it makes a lot of sense to me, especially after reading

Yauke, the Spangler. And I also know it's going to upset a lot of people. So, I mean, this just,

it's win-win for me. It's perfect. Perfect. Absolutely. This is what we do, isn't it?

Absolutely. And once again, like if you're from the North, like, and not even so much North,

like specifically New England, if you're from there, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to

besmirch you guys. I don't have a polemical need to do that. But I want the categories to be

accurate. I want the United States and the various constituent parts to be accurately

described and categorized. And that is why I believe that New England, small as it is,

is its own place. And shoot, I would perfectly support you all doing what you wanted to do in,

like, the Hartford Convention and be your own country. I'm completely okay with that.

Frankly, because, I don't know, you guys are smart. You'll figure it out. But like, yeah,

that's all I'm saying. And if any of you doubt me, you know,

post it in the comments, call me the friggin' Fed, like you guys usually do.

Um, I'm just kidding. Pete's listeners are great. Um, you know,

anyway, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is what I got.

Don't, just, I just don't read the comments. It's like I've, I've said often, um,

he's, YouTube and rumble and comments like that, swear and select goes to die.

It really does. Yeah, I just can't help myself sometimes.

All right, so what do you guys plug? Like, I don't know what it's going to be.

Yeah, old glory club. Also, you know, yeah, old glory club, but, but if you're particularly

interested in this topic, um, I wrote a series of short stories called a Country Squares Notebook

um, that is sitting on my gum road. It's, yeah, you got to pay for it. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm,

I'm broke. I need money. Um, but um, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I've, everyone who's read it

has liked it. Um, whenever I figure out how to publish it physically, I'm going to do that.

It's, unfortunately, it's just an, an ebook format. I'm sorry. Um, but it's a collection of

a bunch of short stories set in the, set in the commonwealth of Virginia and the sort of fantasy

universe I've created, which I'm attempting to use as a kind of means to, um, invent,

invent a new people.

Oh, I always link to it when you're on. So, um, I will do that again. I appreciate it, Paul.

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