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Vice President J. Vance,

Pitch Donald Trump is the president who started no wars,

the break from the Bush era hawks.

Now, there are U.S. strikes on Iran and American casualties climbing.

Some inside Maga feel betrayed.

Others say this is still America first.

Let's watch how Vance is explaining the attack.

Step back just a little bit.

If you go back to Midnight Hammer in the summer,

what the president wanted to do with that mission

was eliminate Iran's ability to build a nuclear weapon.

And we did destroy the nuclear enrichment facilities

during Operation Midnight Hammer over the summer.

Now, here's the thing, Jesse,

we destroyed Iran's ability to build a nuclear weapon

during President Trump's term.

We set them back substantially.

But I think the president was looking for the long haul.

He was looking for Iran to make a significant long-term commitment

that they would never build a nuclear weapon,

that they would not pursue the ability to be on the brink of a nuclear weapon.

And after months, really, almost a year of painstaking diplomacy,

what the president determined is he didn't want to just keep the country

safe from an Iranian nuclear weapon for the first three, four years

of his second term.

He wanted to make sure that Iran could never have a nuclear weapon.

And that would require fundamentally a change in mindset

from the Iranian regime.

God, talk about a word salad.

Okay.

Now let's watch Nick Fuentes

and how he's responding to the situation.

And now we're in a regime change war with Iran.

That's the breaking point.

I'm out.

I'm done.

I am off the Trump train.

I am not voting in 26.

If Rubio or Vance are on the ticket in any form in 28,

I'm voting for a Democrat.

Say whatever you say whatever you want.

Do your worst.

So I mean, grain of salt with anything Nick Fuentes says

and he's a professional shifter.

And he does a good job of it.

And has made himself a lot of money on his brand of racism

and anti-semitism and all of that.

But he is expressing what a lot of the America first wing of the

Macaparty, which we used to think was kind of the totality of it

that the Rubios of the world and the Lindsey grams

were reluctantly coming along, right?

Because it was going to be a more isolationist Republican

administration than we'd ever seen before.

And they're realizing not so much that the Rubios

and the Lindsey grams have won out.

And people like Megan Kelly, Nick Fuentes there, Matt Walsh,

are sitting there, Tucker Carlson scratching their head saying

this is not at all what we were promised.

Now get in line for all of the things that are happening to you

that are not what Donald Trump promised.

But this one has pretty severe consequences.

I mean, as of today, we have six service members

that have been killed.

I mean, may their memories be a blessing?

We are continuing to get conflicting stories

about the rationale for doing this.

I mean, Marco Rubio gave probably the most cogent press conference.

And I want to ask you about what he said there,

because I don't know if the administration was happy

that he came out and said it.

But when he was pressed by reporters about the imminent threat,

the idea that we were only going to strike Iran

if we were facing an imminent threat,

he said the imminent threat was that they were going to strike us

if they were attacked and that Israel was going to attack them.

And the America first wing of the party,

and it is how it even sounded to me,

has taken that and run with the notion

that we switch gears to be on Israel's timetable.

And obviously, there's huge military buildup in the region

that's been going on for weeks or months.

We obviously intended to do something.

But it feels like we have been caught very back-footed.

Like the US Embassy in Jerusalem has said,

we can't help you.

We're sorry, we can't evacuate you.

CBS is reporting about those six troops

who died in Kuwait

that they didn't have the warning system set up.

It was like a makeshift facility.

And they had been asking for more drone-defeat capabilities,

but none came.

The Wall Street Journal is talking about the US officials

who have been in briefings

and with access to classified information.

And they say that administration's assertions

are incomplete, unsubstantiated, and flat out wrong

that there's no evidence to support Trump's claim

that Iran could rapidly develop a missile capable

of striking the US.

So, like, how do we look at all of this

and think that this was well thought out

or that we have a real plan on our carrying it out?

So, I've equated our military interventions

to bond films, and that is they always start amazing, right?

We always, bond films always nail the openings.

The credits are top of the line, even.

Well, the opening is always awesome.

Every bond film, and then it goes on to either be

Skyfall was great.

Casino Rial was great.

So, call that Kosovo in Kuwait,

or even I'll say Venezuela, where things go really well.

Or it goes on to be awful.

Die another day, a view to a kill,

basically Iraq or Afghanistan.

So, as always, and I'm curious,

if you perceive the same vibe shift,

I've seen in just 48 hours.

Started awesome.

All this military, hardware, we immediately take out

the equivalent of the president, the secretary of defense,

the joint chiefs.

We see all these inspiring short form videos

of Iranian citizens rising up.

And then all of a sudden,

it becomes clear, and you pointed this out,

the majority of Americans don't support this.

Seven percent of Democrats, 54 percent of Republicans,

and it feels like the Republican side is waning even faster.

And it feels like there's been a dramatic vibe shift

based on one thing.

And that is the incompetence to the administration.

And whoever, I don't know whose head of comms,

but you should be able to answer three basic questions.

Why are we doing this?

Why are we doing it now?

And what are the objectives?

Why are we doing this?

I think the biggest error to date was from

a secretary Rubio, who I would have said 48 hours ago

was the leading Republican candidate for president.

When he said exactly what you said,

he basically said,

Israel is now dictating foreign policy for America.

He said, well,

Israel was going to attack them,

and we knew if they attacked them,

they're going to respond.

So we had to attack first.

Like, okay, so let me get this.

The tail wagging $1.1 trillion

of military spending in the most powerful country in the world is

Israel.

You're saying that they are dictating our military

interventions in foreign policy?

That was an incredibly poorly thought out statement.

You know, if they had said something along the lines of,

we have a tremendous opportunity to vastly diminish

the nation of Iran's ability to continue to be the primary sponsor of terror,

and to unlock incredible economic prosperity,

and also brings stability to the region.

And we're going to vastly diminish

their kinetic capabilities.

And when the following objectives are achieved,

we're out of there, and we're doing it now,

because let's be honest,

we have an opportunity to do more damage and achieve our objectives

with, at a lower risk right now,

because they're on their back, heels,

rushes, busy,

Hezbollah's weekend.

They just don't have any,

you know, they don't have any supporter backup right now.

So that's why now.

And then what also came out that I thought was sort of weak sauce

was they did identify

that statement.

We're going to, you know,

get rid of the nuclear pair.

We're going to ensure that, you know,

missile defenses are taken out.

We're going to take out their Navy.

Right now, it comes across,

their communications come across as defensive and improv.

They're literally,

there's reports they've reached out to a bunch of traditional journalists

where Trump is real-time workshopping his messaging.

So it feels, they feel as if it's defensive.

And Jesus Christ, no one thought to like answer these basic fucking questions

before you deployed one of the largest military actions of the last decade.

You didn't think through to have a fairly cogent answer for why.

What are the objectives and why now?

What it does appear to me, though,

is that now that the regime is going to survive.

And I still think this could have huge benefits

by diminishing or neutering the kinetic capabilities of Iran.

I think that's a good thing and worth a decent amount of risk.

But essentially, the administration looks weak.

And if I were in Iran, I'd be saying,

all we got to do is wait out these guys.

There's no political capital or will to put boots on the ground,

which I understand.

And without boots on the ground,

there's never been a regime change ever in the Middle East.

And these guys appear to be already taking

flak or incoming from their own party,

much less the Democrats are only 7% support this.

So I think the Trump administration

to incompetence and poor messaging and poor framing of the words they choose

has said to the Islamic Republic,

just wait this shit out.

And you're going to be fine.

And it's going to be back to normal.

So I think that, and I'm wondering if you sense this,

I sense a dramatic

vibe shift in the last 48 hours

that is leaking a lot of advantage and power

back from the US and its allies to the Islamic Republic.

I now think, and Kalshi's odds every day

that the Islamic Republic falls,

that the regime falls by the end of March is going down every day.

It feels like, as if in the last 48 hours,

there's been a substantial vibe shift.

What do you think?

Totally.

And it's not good news if

you've only been doing this for 72 hours

and 48 of them have been a vibe shift.

Yeah.

Like that's not particularly strong odds

of success or bringing over the American public to support

and action as important as this

since President Trump has said multiple times

that they are open to prolonged conflict

and boots on the ground.

Those are statements that give people PTSD

in this country and for good reason.

And you listen to Kier Starmer,

the UK Prime Minister,

speaking about this yesterday,

he may have gotten himself out of all of the Epstein

trouble that he was in

with his defiant speech,

where he said,

we're not going to fight your illegal war with you.

You know,

Francis out there, McCrone comes out,

says we're going to be building up our nuclear arsenal

and we're not going to even tell you

exactly what we're doing.

It used to be something more transparent.

Spain kicked us out of their bases

that we were using.

And I think two things are important.

So Dan Cain, General Dan Cain,

who is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs,

there's a lot of reporting in the last week

that he was really nervous

about doing something

and that we were underestimating

the Iranian pushback that we were going to see.

And it seems like he was completely right.

So if the US or if Israel saw that

the IRGC or whatever remained of it,

we're going to, you know,

scuttle right to the negotiating table

afterwards, they were sorely mistaken.

And reporting shows that Iran feels like they can dig in

for 60 to 90 days, frankly.

And not only were we going to deplete our own arsenal,

all of our Gulf state partners need backup from us.

They need money and weapons to keep doing this

because Iran is firing everywhere.

You know, to countries that they don't get along with,

but some that they actually have a pretty

decent working relationship

or peaceful coexistence to some degree.

So I think that that is a really huge problem here.

And then there is the issue of,

which is something, you know, we talk about a lot,

you know, the relationship with the US and Israel.

And I saw BB was on Hannity last night.

He said, you know, hogwash to the idea

that this is going to be a prolonged conflict

or that they pushed us into it.

And I don't see any other way to read it.

I don't think that makes me anti-Israel

or not a Zionist or any of that.

It just seems like the facts on the ground

based on what the Secretary of State

and Mark Warner, the Vice Chair of Intel

and the Democratic side, came out and confirmed that he said,

I'm extremely pro-Israel.

But this is a new frontier if we are shaping foreign policy

based upon their time tables.

And they just blew up right before we jumped on here.

There was a meeting, I think 88 people

to select the new head of the IRGC

who's going to become the new Iatola, I guess.

And Israel blew that up.

So Israel is going about their business

and they live in an existential threat scenario, right?

Every day from Iran and I understand that.

But we are now in bed together in a way

that is making people who are supportive of Israel

very uncomfortable.

And I worry that it's going to feed

a vicious cycle and degeneration of U.S.-Israeli relations.

We've already seen it, obviously, on the Democratic side.

It's now people are more sympathetic with the Palestinians

and the Israelis for the first time in history.

The same thing is going on in the kind of America first wing

of the Republican Party.

And it's not what I expected, I guess.

And I don't want to be naive.

But hearing that, like you said,

coming out of Rubio's mouth was jarring to me.

They sound very defensive and like all of a sudden

they're on their heels.

And the response, typically they say,

Republicans have fallen in line.

They're just falling out of love right now.

So some Republican responses,

Senator Chuck Grassley on X,

President Trump gave Iran plenty of negotiable opportunity.

I don't know what that means.

Representative Thomas Massey of Kentucky on X,

this is not America first.

When Congress reconvenes, I will work with

Representative Rhocona to force a congressional vote

on war with Iran.

If they just, if they had said,

we see an opportunity to vastly diminish

the kinetic capability and restore,

which likely decreases chaos and terrorism

and increases the likelihood of the Iranian people

being able to choose its leaders

or bring stability to the Middle East.

They could have left it at that and created an offer out.

But my understanding is, in the last four days,

we've seen, I'm willing to put boots on the ground.

Well, of course, don't be stupid.

It's not going to be boots on the ground.

We want regime change.

No, not necessarily regime change.

And now it feels like they're on their heels saying

with these four objectives they've outlined,

which quite frankly, they could say they've already achieved

and leave tomorrow.

It feels as if they're setting themselves up

for the ability to declare victory and leave.

Which I would argue is not the right message

to be sending to the Islamic Republic right now.

That, okay, we're getting shit.

We had our macho photo moment.

We're going to be out soon and we're going to declare victory

because basically, if either of these Islamic Republic,

I would just be saying, oh, okay, they're already.

The core competence of the Russian people

is they will lose a million people and still keep fighting.

And I say this with some admiration,

you know, we lost for I think 400,000 people in the world

worked to the Russians lost 20 million

and they would have kept fighting if they needed to.

We do not have the same endurance or willingness to suffer

and that's good in some ways and bad in others.

But it feels already as if the administration is on their heels

and in my view, sending kind of signals of weakness,

basically saying, all right, we're looking,

we are already looking for an off-prompt.

As opposed to if they just said, we are here

to so vastly diminish the nuclear and kinetic capabilities

of Iran that they are no longer a shorter medium-term threat

in the region and have absolutely no hopes

of ever rebuilding their nuclear program.

They would at least have been consistent

and created an open-ended opportunity to say,

no, we're not sure when we're going to leave

and I think they would have gotten more people on board.

They come across is really, in my opinion,

incompetent, weak, inconsistent.

The one thing I would like more discussion on is that

my sense is there's been a huge strategic blunder here

on the part of the Iranians by attacking essentially

all of their neighbors and basically the attitude is,

you're either with us, you're against us.

So if you aren't going to defend us, we're going to attack you.

And a lot of the attacks, in my opinion,

while they make for a dramatic video,

have been more, I mean, they went after

the largest refinery in Saudi Arabia,

but Saudi Arabia has its own armaments.

It, to me, it seems that was a very dumb move

that they had an opportunity to create a wedge

in between the Gulf States and America.

And instead, what they've essentially done

is isolated themselves.

And what's interesting is that the markets appear to be saying,

commodities markets, silver spiked, oil spiked,

it's already coming down because I think the market is basically saying

interpreting America's comments,

is they're looking for an off ramp,

they're looking for an excuse to say,

declare victory and leave,

and that it'll be business back to usual pretty soon,

including the fact that the IRGIC will not fall,

that the Straits of Hormuz will be open again,

that this is not going to be a long,

a long-term war.

Is it a taco?

Oh, that's actually the right.

Isn't that, that is exactly the right description.

I hadn't thought of that.

Say more about what you mean there.

Well, I mean, I'm not Queen of the Tacos.

I know it was a British journalist who did it, who said it.

It's Robert Armstrong.

He's not British.

He's American.

He works for the FTA.

Oh, that's a British newspaper, American.

Stanford, Trump always chickens out.

Right, Trump always chickens out.

I mean, there are, I hate to use that for this analysis

because there are six dead American service members.

And there are, I think, 115 dead innocent Iranians from a strike.

They're on a school dozens of school children dead.

So I'm not trying to minimize any of that.

It's not like when Trump says I'm taking Greenland tomorrow

and then just sits there and watches TV and drinks Diet Coke.

But if we are,

which the reporting indicates, looking for an off ramp,

which would come in the form of some sort of diplomatic negotiation

that we had the opportunity to do over the last several weeks.

And there is, you know, significant reporting

that there were breakthroughs at least on the precipice

and that it is now Iran that is pulling back and saying

you don't get to get out of here in five seconds or less, right?

Like we can go longer than you think.

That's 1690 days.

I think that's exactly right.

In looking for the off ramp,

this is the most extreme foreign policy example

of what Trump has done, you know, with tariffs, for instance,

or various threats.

So anyway, I don't know if it fits in that category,

but it feels a little taco-y to me.

Well, also what we're trying from the JCPOA

and it was clear now that all these talks

using the Nation of Oman to act as mediators

that that was all just a head fake.

That was all bullshit.

And the problem with tearing up agreements

from previous administrations

and also not entering into good faith negotiations.

And I think the Iranians and most of the people in the Gulf

would argue that those negotiations were a total head fake.

What's your credibility around restarting negotiations again

or what is the paper you can get parties to agree to,

worth the paper it's written on?

So, you know, I don't think we come across a step fast.

I don't think we come across as a committed.

I think we look Republicans immediately

when there's pushback from Republicans.

It looks as if the Trump administration is panicking

and didn't anticipate it and is already trying to create offer amps.

And if I'm the IRGC, I'm like,

oh, they're blinking already after, after, you know,

just 72 hours, they're blinking.

And all we got to do is hunker down

and it's back to business as usual.

Well, they know we weren't prepared

because we didn't even make plans

to get Americans out of harm's way.

So, they know that we're on the back foot at least,

you know, on that level.

All right, let's take a quick break.

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This is what President Trump had to say

about why the United States is at war with Iran.

We sought repeatedly to make a deal.

We tried.

They wanted to do it.

They didn't want to do it.

Again, they wanted to do it.

They didn't want to do it.

They didn't know what was happening.

Not the best explanation for a war of choice, sir.

I'm personally a do my own research kind of guy.

But let's ask AI why we're at war with Iran.

Chat?

The United States attacked Iran in 2026

because it claimed Iran posed an imminent threat,

particularly due to Iran's advancing

nuclear program and missile capabilities,

and aimed to reduce Iran's ability

to project power in the region.

Wow, that was a better explanation.

Thanks, Chat.

Fitting that AI was more clear

than the president of the United States,

because it turns out the United States

is using AI to fight the war in Iran.

The future of war is AI,

and that future is now here.

You can find out whether or not you should be freaking out

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Welcome back quickly.

We're going to review Homeland Security,

Secretary Kristi Noms,

Capitol Hill testimony today,

facing lawmakers for the first time

since the killing of Alex Predin, Minnesota.

She was grilled by both parties

over DHS enforcement tactics,

detention policy, spending,

and whether Department funding laps

as we can encounter terrorism efforts

after U.S. strikes on Iran.

Let's watch this exchange between her

and Senator Amy Klobuchar.

We were relying in the hours after that incident

that was so horrific.

On information, we were getting from a graduate agent.

But I wouldn't say to the parents

or to the family of me.

That's what I do now.

You called them domestic parents.

Imagine what they have gone through

in the loss of their son

and the loss of their family members.

But how about specifically?

Calling them domestic terrorists

without any evidence of that?

Sure, I did.

Ma'am, I did not call him a domestic terrorist.

I said it appeared to be an incident of.

I think the parents saw it for what it was.

She's awful.

She's ghoulish.

She's awful.

I've gendered this before.

I'm going to gender it again.

Watching a woman do this is worse to me

than watching a man do it,

especially a mother and a grandmother.

I guess it all stems from the fact

that Trump never apologizes.

Every once in a while, he says,

I didn't do that,

but I wouldn't have

or something like that

like the ape video about the Obama's.

I really think she could have just said

we shouldn't have used that language.

It's a tragedy that they're dead.

Because that's what Tom Holman,

when he showed up, he's like,

I wouldn't be here if mistakes weren't made.

Republicans, a Senator Kennedy actually

raked her over the coals on this

and the $200 million that she spent on advertisements

to essentially promote herself.

He said, you just effectively promoted you.

It's not a sign of weakness

to recognize reality and show you

you have a little bit of soul

and maybe it just gets you off the hot seat

for five seconds, a little bit of reprieve.

Then people can fan out with their talking points

and say, this is the stuff we really want to dig in on

and she recognized that a mistake

was made when it comes to this.

Yeah, so I was like to think of the person

who's in the room but not in the room.

I think probably the reason we bombed Iran

and who is in the room giving you testimonies

whether it's Director Patel or Secretary Nome.

You know who's in the room?

It's not in the room.

It's Roy Cohn.

Roy Cohn is President Trump's sort of ideological mentor

and Roy Cohn's attitude was interrupt attack,

never give an inch, never admit defeat,

never say you're sorry, double down,

double down, attack, attack, attack.

And that's what he wants.

He wants Secretary Nome interrupting the senators.

Look at the complexion and the demeanor

and the decorum, his appointees and who,

they're all playing to a party of one.

What does he want?

Interrupt, be an asshole, accuse them of shit,

call them failed lawyers, never admit you're wrong.

And it is so incredibly unproductive

and it also really damages our brand.

It makes us look like assholes.

It makes a mockery of our elected leaders

and the Senate, these gatherings.

It makes them look like food fights.

They just cheapen everything.

And also, I think a lot of us who feel very

disturbed by Trump, like rattled more than we've been rattled before.

And I think there's a lot of us

had kind of a last draw moment.

My last draw moment was absent-fucking-lutely

when Secretary Nome described an ice-unear

skincare veterans as a domestic terrorist.

I just thought, in brandishing a weapon with plans

with an intent to massacre a federal agent.

So I just thought, I remember when I saw it and I read it,

I couldn't find anyone to complain to and it was too late.

It was in the morning here.

So it was like three in the morning

for all of my progressive friends in New York that I could call.

I think that one moment, that was like the low point.

That was just, okay, it has gone too far.

And Senators Murkowski, Tom Tillis,

have all come out and actively ask for her resignation.

And then all of this like bang bus in the sky bullshit

where she appears to be flying around on a $70 million plane.

With her private cabin.

Yeah, I mean, it really is a South Park episode.

It's so obvious.

Well, I think it's obvious.

If you think about crisis management,

it's acknowledged the issue.

Yeah, this was a tragedy.

I take responsibility.

Topgargaon needs to take responsibility and it over-correct and say,

I apologize, this was wrong.

And we're putting in place protocols and safeguards

to make sure that good people are not that we can ensure.

You know, she can even say in that good people of ice

aren't put in situations that end up with murdered people

and that someone exercising their first amendment rights is not killed.

I'm personally committed to making sure this doesn't happen again.

But instead, we have a presence like, no, double down.

Never admits you're wrong.

But I think there's few people that are more happy about

our strikes in Iran right now than Secretary Nome.

She does not want a lot of attention on her testimony

because she knew it was going to be rough.

But I'll be curious if the calls for her resignation

after today increase.

Have you heard anything from people you know around the general sense

or evaluation of her testimony?

Well, I think who is going to go is such a moving target

depending on the bad news of the day

because we were talking after Alex Prattian

ran a good, we're murdered.

Like it has to be Christy Dome, you know,

then it chips.

It gears were like, oh, Pam Bondy was completely insane.

Then Howard Lutnik, you know, the photo

in the Epstein files of him with Epstein and three men,

not with his nanny, his kids,

and his children, as he said,

but just walking around in his holiday best.

And I think it was Politico reported that President Trump

has confronted him about how much his sons are profiting,

how much money they're making during the Trump administration.

Not only my kids, right?

They're the ones that should be able to make money off of this.

So I thought Lutnik could be in there.

And apparently he was very unhappy

with Cash Patel's behavior in Milan.

And I'm not surprised because Trump is sober.

Right, he doesn't even drink.

So I think the idea of the FBI director,

you know, crushing beers behaving so unprofessionally,

stuck out to him and it was at least reported

that he was upset about the jet travel, too.

So, you know, you can go in any direction,

which I think means no one is going anywhere.

And on that note.

Yes, yeah.

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