We Do This Too - Turkey Talk with Stanley Wymbs

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Welcome to another edition of the We Do This Two Outdoors podcast.

I'm your host, Courtney Williams, and I've got the man, the myth, the legend, the master

of Turkey's himself, Mr. Stanley Williams on the day, man, he's gonna tell us a little

bit about how he got started in the outdoors, and hopefully give us a little bit of a

turkey under strategy and a little bit of a turkey master class.

I know here in Kentucky, we're about to get started, I know a lot of states are opening

up right now already, but for the folks who ain't been, I haven't been out in the woods

just yet, you know, maybe it's a give them something to work on before they get out

in the woods.

Mr. Williams, how are you doing, brother?

I'm doing good.

I just have to know, man, just tired from chasing birds today, but you know what, hey, you

know, we made another good day.

That's right, man.

So for the folks who don't know, Mr. Stanley, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, I just been a turkey hunter, dear hunter.

My whole life, I was taught by my father, my uncles.

I could not cut my teeth on rabbit hunting and toting rabbits before I was able to have

a gun even shoot at a rabbit, but eventually I got to that, and then I was able to start

shooting my own 20 gauge at rabbits, and then the deer hunting started, and you know,

sitting at this time with my dad, learning how to scout, I just ran with my uncles and

they hunting club, and then they just revolved and I fell in love with it.

Now, I heard that, yeah, my, my pops got me introduced to it, and he was, he was a big

rabbit hunter, and he grew up right there in some of the intensity, right, right outside

of Memphis.

We kind of got similar stores there, you know, watching him run behind the dogs and, you

know, cutting my teeth, right, ever hunting, too, man, it was one thing, man, I look, look

back on the man, I miss it, you know.

Well, yeah, we all miss it, man, I mean, I don't get to go grab a hunt like I used to,

but, you know, when I do ever get a chance to go, I'll go, but right now, with me and the

turkey stuff, you know, come January, we got the unit core call, make a show, then we

got call and contest going, and the mother, January, we ride the February, and we had Nashville,

so, you know, it just one thing, man, after nothing, we just go, go, go, go, go, with the

competition call, and then the call building, and hunting, and everything, man, just one big

family, and we all, you know, get with it.

That's right.

But, I don't go back to myself, just, you know, over the years, I've hunted, made my

house new buddies, we all grew up right there hunting together, my father and their fathers

were friends, they all had a hunt club, called the B&W Hunt Club, and so we all kind of

cut out teeth hunting together, doing stuff together, and, you know, we started kind of

pushing one another about turkey hunting and stuff, so, and we all hunted, hunted,

hunted, hunted, hunted, hunted, and it would be our turkey hunt, and once I got me

a turkey, me and my dad would be fishing, and then they got to wonder who I want to

get, two turkeys that set a one turkey, and then it just, it just, it became a passion

and then, even for a while, I ain't slowed down for a minute, where, you know, with life

and then, I started building calls, and it just resonated from building one call, somebody

liked to build another call, somebody liked to build another call, somebody like me,

and they'd say, you know, yeah, I am, yeah, so what, your first turkey hunt, was that

I'm guessing when you were the kid, were you bad, nope, my first turkey, now my first

turkey hunt was by myself, right, and I was hunting with a Bentley box call, I told my dad,

I told my dad, I was getting the turkey hunt, and he just looked at me and said, oh,

just, you know, I, you know, I had dad, too, you know, he came home and worked, and

they had had me a Bentley box call, I didn't, you know, and back then, you know, you

thinking, to get a turkey, they're asking you got to gobble, I didn't know about all

the yelp and all this up, you know, by the time I met them, so I went down to the

woods and just took a bottle and went yelp, yelp, yelp, listen, and turkey gobble, yelp,

yelp, yelp, yelp, and sit there and they say, no, look, the man here come a whole

drawer turkey, boom, I killed one, and, and he just, just did, did that man just

little fire and he's been on there since, yeah, so pretty much right after that hunt, they

clicked in your head that she was like, man, this is something that, you know, I just don't

know why, but I love, oh, I ain't gonna say that I was dead in love with it, I liked

it because I was, I had control of what I was doing, and so, you know, and then, you

know, as I got older, you go into the woods doing that thing, then I would have no success,

would have no, like, what's going on? And then finally, I started getting some, a few

tips and tricks from one of my buddies, his father-in-law was a, at the time, it was,

he was, it, it wasn't his father-in-law, but it became his father-in-law, he was a pretty

good turkey hunter, so he started kind of giving us a little trip, little tips and stuff,

you know, but back in the day, the whole time was one day, you know, and so finally, we,

scuffed it for a while, but we finally figured it out. And I, myself, I pushed it to another

level because when I got bit by that bug, I took off with it. That makes sense, you know,

you know, I guess anything, you know, I might forget something, get bit by that bug, like,

it was me for duck hunting about a few years ago, you know, I got bit by that bug,

you know, something that I don't ever see myself ever not do it, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, and see, in that duck hunting thing, that's not me. I ain't never been big on duck hunting.

I tried to come to, but it just ain't back up with tea.

Yeah, some people liking, some people don't, man, I heard, I've heard a lot of people that don't

like it, you know, and I wanted them people for a long time.

Well, but think about it here in Georgia, you know, I mean, you ain't really got any good

places to do in a duck hunting in Georgia. You know, if you get on play, y'all, I mean,

you're gonna get on through little whitties in this 15 minutes and over with, right.

That's what I did. That's what I did. I went and I got on a hunt and three whitties came in.

I killed two out of the three. And it was over.

It was over. Yeah. And so, I understand. But, you know, maybe wave one day, I go get one of

why I go build one of them, of course, they call it a blackout. Yeah. But if it happens,

if it's more addictive than turkey hunting, I don't need it.

They can't be, man, you know, I've been hunting turkey for a long, a lot longer than I have

done hunting, but I'm one of them guys, man, whatever season it is, I'm actually doing, you know,

love turkey hunting, mostly better, you know, just like the next man, but

when it comes down to it or somebody asked me, you know, what animal I was one of hunt for the rest

of my life and I thought, I'm only hunt one. It'd be dear for me, but everybody's different.

Well, I would say if it was one animal that I could only hunt for the rest of my life,

I would choose dear as much as I love turkey, but I would choose dear because

dear is going to be here. But if we keep doing what we're doing, the turkey population

and destroying the habitat is not going to be no more turkeys. Yeah. Because we as humans,

man, woman, we're doing the damage because we take it away, everything that the turkeys need,

we're taking away the habitat. And we can't keep doing that. You can't turn a thousand acre

prestige piece of property, go in and click cut it, and that's let the butt, a broad patch.

You know, turkeys can survive when they got to go somewhere to survive.

You're going to take it all, you're taking all the big habitat away from them.

Yeah, I was having that conversation with the buddy, my other day, he was saying, you know,

the dear populations don't be here, but if we keep, keep knowing like you say,

no one, you know, with turkeys, he said, hang on, we know turkeys are hot because, you know,

we're killing off, you know, their habitat, then you've got, you know, predators,

ACEs, and, you know, bobcats and coyotes doing damage along with the human. So he's like,

hang on, we know turkeys are out if we keep on. Well, and we as him was the biggest predator.

Yes, which is good. I mean, you know, you do, if you do the math,

you're safe. And if there's a hundred thousand,

say, say a hundred thousand.

Now, it looks like I'm good. And let's just say 50,000 people,

50,000 in every state,

harvest the turkey, one turkey in every state.

Do you know that you look at everybody that comes from out of state and kill a turkey through the math?

Yeah. Yeah. You got, you got a point because I mean, if you look at just the out of state,

not a bush, and then you, you know, go with the people that actually live in state.

You know, that's, that's mind blowing.

All right. And then you throw in, you throw in that was renegade highs,

that were hiding in their home state, in their home state, living April to,

but they killed a six to seven that never get reported.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think about that, you know, people never, you know, so if you had

that there was no coyotes, if we got rid of the snakes, the bark heads,

and the turkeys had no other front of the precise man.

And with the man destroying the habitat,

and we're killing turkeys like we do every year,

and people going to state the state, state the state, state the state.

That's what you can have. You're going to turquoise.

Yeah. Big time.

And you know, when, and then when, uh, he and Hatch off were poaps.

I mean, and they are certain age, man, if it's rain,

they'll look straight up at the sky, look at the rain, and the rain drops,

they had them in the nostrils and drown them and kill them.

Hmm, cause they cause they so curious what a rain drop is.

Right.

And that can live in that life by getting drowned.

Which is crazy. Like it just don't, you just don't think that happens, you know, but it does.

Yes. But then you look at, you look at,

if them poaps go across the driveway, go across the dirt route,

you know, for crow season, that crow goes walk down and get it.

If a hawk sees it, a hawk goes walk down and get it.

But who the hell goes walk down and get it?

So man, they got so many adversities, even even when they get hats out of the egg,

they got, you got to the fire ants getting on them.

So the turkey got so much disadvantage against them.

The first month of their life, the first month of their life.

Most, most poaps don't make it past the first five days.

Yeah, I was reading something, you know, most poaps don't make it between anywhere from four to seven days.

I don't know. Yeah.

That's just very good to think about, but it's, I mean, it's true.

Well, yes, oh, yeah, exactly right. You want them to, right?

But so, man, you know, on the competition side of things, it's intriguing.

But we ask competition color. We don't, what we do on stage, we don't do in the woods.

Which I don't, which I don't.

All the thing I do is I change my calling style.

And I do what the turkeys want to hear.

Yeah, I'm glad you said that because I was having a conversation with a bugger my last year who,

he does a little bit of duck calling and competition calling and he's like,

what you hear me do on stage, I will never, never do in the woods.

He said, I'm doing that on stage for a show.

He said, because most ducks that you hear, you know, when I'm sitting there just yanking on

that call, ducks don't do that. No, they do not.

So, you know, the same thing I'm guessing in the turkey, in the turkey world, you know,

when you're a competition called, you're doing that basically for the judges to put on a show.

Exactly. And we want to keep it, we want to keep it clean.

It's like, it's like an orchestra, you know, it's music. You want to make sure that song flows

and you want to make sure it's clean. You don't have no mistakes.

And you catch the judges here and you get scored well.

If you don't catch this ear and you don't like what you're doing,

you know, but think about it, it's all opinionated anyway.

It's one man's opinion. So, you got seven judges. You got seven men's judges

doing, they offered their own opinion about what you sound like, how you sound it.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah.

When you listen to, you know, if a man gets sound with turkey,

guess what anybody can take a turkey call to make a turkey sound.

All right. Yeah. But putting it together is another thing.

So, so what would you say separates a competition color from, you know,

your regular hunter? What, what mistakes do you think like a normal color makes in the

wooers compared to like a competition color? Like if some guy just, you know, today turned on

one of your videos on YouTube sees you calling. They're going to try to mimic that out of the outdoors.

Yes. That's the big thing about it. Every, I mean, when I say this, myself,

there's so many competition colors, map, size, Dave, Owen, Jesse Martin,

Lane Will, Lane Will, Bruce Siley, Scott Ellis, dude, Jason Conrad, Zach Conway,

Jason Brown, all of us guys, man, oh, I mean, I can go down the list of competition colors

that when people hear them call, oh, man, I want to sound like that. I want,

that's what we do on stage. But when we kick the wooers,

this is a whole different animal.

But I guess my question would be, especially for like a newbie, you know, if they see you calling

on stage, you know, they say, hey, I want to sound like him on the woods, like my question would be

to them, you know, to you, I guess. But what would you have them do other than watch what you're doing on

old competition? Would you have them listen to the turkeys? Would you have them listen to like another

person? Because, you know, some people, they mimic everything they see. So if they see you on

stage doing that, they're going to try to want to do that in the woods. And they're making a big

mistakes. They're like, whoa, it's like a beginner, like a beginner caller, like to do.

I would tell a beginner caller, get a call that's very user friendly, that it's forgiveness,

and I would listen to real turkeys and I would copy what real turkeys do.

Cause real turkeys, have you ever been in the woods and heard her hanging up and then you go,

man, that sounds like a person. And when she comes up there while graffiti is the real hand,

you heard that it was before? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But compare her to what we do on stage.

Yeah, it's amplified. Yes. So when you heard that real turkeys sound that bad,

you know, she had to score that turkey. How would you score that turkey? Would you

score that turkey? Good, which is quite the turkey band.

Hmm, it's probably bad. But why? It was a real turkey. Yeah, but it's not, uh,

you know, it's a real turkey. Yeah, you're right. But I get what you're saying, but like,

how can you say, if it's a real live turkey, how can you say the turkey is doing it wrong?

How can you say she's doing it wrong? I mean, you can't. I mean, that's exactly right.

You can't. So that's when it becomes very upset objective and opinionated.

Because right now you have a turkey joke in your mind that you want to sound like. Am I right?

Right. And I don't care what I say. If I'm running the call and if I sound like that

that you like in your head, you're going to score me good because you like that opinion.

Right. But if I don't sound like the hearing is you and the light,

then I got to really do that call very well to persuade you to give me a good score.

Yeah, it's, well, now as you put it that way, like you say, it's, it's all opinionated.

Yes. Because if I'm thinking of what my hand sounds like and then the judge next to me has

an idea of what he sounds like and my, you know, your calling doesn't sound like the way I'm

you're mad at him. And he's like, oh, he's, he's terrible. You know, that don't sound like,

you know, I'm thinking of, you know, that's right. And then you've got five, seven judges.

You got seven judges. Listen to you call until they go in. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

So you got seven judges critiquing you. So it's, it's tough.

And I've said behind that curtain and judge, you said behind that curtain,

you know, you are, you judge 25 or 30 call us. And you listen to that many call us and everybody

up here, up here. It starts running together and you start like, good guys.

Yes. I sit behind the curtain and judge. Let's tell. I'm guaranteed.

But yeah, it's tough. So, so what made you want to be, you know, to get on stage and be a competition

goal? I wanted to, well, it's kind of weird. I figured if I start being a competition

caller, more people would know about Black Lightning Game calls and it would try to help me, you know,

do what? Then, and me being playing sports my whole life, being competitive.

And I started to competition call it. If you're a competitor, you don't like ladies.

Right. And then when you, and then when you lose, and you beat yourself,

I mean, I know I can do better than this. And then it just, and I started just pushing, pushing,

pushing, pushing, but then along away, I had a lot of good people that helped me. I mean,

Richard guy was the first one to help me. Mr. Joe Drake, though my fossil, Terry Rome, Terry Phillips,

Don Schill, Parrish, Elliott, Sadler, McGraw, man, it's so many of you guys own the call and

suck it. Bobby Woods has offered so much help to me. And, you know, emanating you calling

Adele to critique you and tell you what sounds good, what sounds bad. And so that's what I'm saying,

man, and it started, man, when you get to write people in your car that work with you, have to

you know, and give you a true friendship, man, it means them. For sure, you know, so you started

calling to try to get those black lightning calls, you know, try to get some soul and, you know,

try to get your name out there, whatever. Yeah, it's exactly. And then I thought, you know, man,

but I just wouldn't say it's about being back at the pack. And then kept on chopping it, chopping

it for the next side, you know, boom, I get qualified to go to Nashville. Then when I first got

qualified, I didn't go to Nashville because I didn't feel that I was, I finished third place

and the two guys in front of them are already qualified. So they said, Stanley, you qualified to go

to Nashville. In my mind, I didn't win it. I'm not qualified to be there. So I

kept on, kept on. The next year, I had an awesome, awesome contest in class and Georgia.

And I finished second, but when I finished second and some of the people that was in that

contest, when I finished second, I felt that I earned that spot. So then I went to Nashville.

And when I got to Nashville, it was a rude awakening.

I mean, and when I say rude awakening, it's like, when you go to Nashville,

you walking that, you walking Nashville, you got guys coming out, they got the call back

and everything. You got somebody running out with a Pinto, you got somebody running with a

car vent, you got somebody running with a laver guinea. And that's where the calls are.

You can't go in that rental, you can't go in that rental Pinto calls, you know, call

vet calls. You got to have to never get the calls on that mat on that grand national stage.

You got to have to get it. How do you pick out what's called the trick on the

use on the on stage? I try to find the call that is the most user friendly call.

But now I'm looking for the call to got that true turkey in it.

And you've got the call got that true turkey. And it's user friendly easy.

Because you know, once you get on stage, your nose get going, you test up, you tighten up,

you won't something when you tense up tighten up. It's here. Got that that on to it.

It don't want to go south on you know what I mean? And that's when you can start really

doing your thing where they are. Good good pot call, good box call,

including my off call, man, the same thing. Yeah, same thing, man. So it's just how we all,

how we all do it. And just and everybody got their own little twigs,

little twist. We all got our little secret sauce and little secret weapon that we think. But you know,

at the end of the day, you put it in the hands of the judges and you better hope the judges

is feeling you that day. And and Bobowitz told me one thing is stay true to me. He said,

you're going to win some. You should have lost. You're going to lose some. You should have won.

And that's stuck with me because I've been the contest and I know other people have been the

contest. And I've heard them call like, oh man, they just won this contest and they don't even place.

I've had some tell me, man, you won this contest. You didn't even place. I mean,

I called the contest in Alabama. But when I got finished, Eddie sought to himself.

My brother Bruce Sally, a lot of them guys said, man, you don't want these contests, man,

you right. I called all of us. I didn't need place.

So, you know, and then I went to contest for and I had some ships and bottles and I go, man,

I'm not in this one. I'm done in in place or win it. So I don't know, man.

That seems like it will be. Well, as a guy that plays sports, all of us are well,

you know, and super competitive and don't like losing. You know, you feel like the days that you

feel like, you know, everything's working for you, everything's sounding good. You don't place.

And then the days that you feel like you're sounding like awful, terrible. You in that place in

you know, whatever, what you're still having to go against these judges who are critiquing you

and whatever. And half of these judges can't call nowhere near as good as, you know, as some of

these guys at their own stage, it's like, go back in your head. It's just like, so why are these

guys critiquing me on what I'm doing? Well, but not well, but some of the judges all

just seem like it would be, but, but some of these judges that we got a world champion

callers, they've been world champions before. They just behind that panel, you know. And uh,

I'm got you. I don't know what happened, man. And he furls on me, but you, you good.

Okay. And and but now, man, some of those judges, man, yeah, some of them judges, man,

a world champion callers, bad national callers, you know, done one US opens all kind of major contests.

But thing right is, we all have our own turkey and I even. So

that's where it becomes all opinionated. But, you know, there's, there's, I mean, I can sit

up on that curry. I've been running callers so long enough. No, I can sit up on that curry.

And I know for a fact, I can tell you, if I look at some of these in that context,

I guarantee you I can pick out some of the callers and I'll be behind it,

because you never see them. But I could pick them out cause I know the calling style,

just like some of them know my calling style. Only hands down. You can put 20

guys in a content. And I.

I was still connected. Yeah, you good. Okay. Okay. And you can put 20 callers in the

context. And I guarantee you, if they put the key key run in that context, I could get you money.

A judge would pick me out. And so that's down.

So your key key runs, they can pick you out from 20 dollars.

Well, yes, it's different. My key key runs different. I run on the key key dish.

There's a few other guys run on the key key dish. But my key key is different. It has that

level to it. And people know.

I mean, when did I, when I'd done that key key on the Southern boys outdoors?

Had you seen the remarks and comments and stuff that I got on that key key?

Yeah, I was saying they're looking about all the comments. And I'm like,

dude, this man sounds like. I've never heard it down that way for one,

because everybody that I learned from growing up, they did it for seven to 10, 15 seconds.

They did it real, real long. And then when you were showing, they said,

that's how a real turkey says in the woods. You know, when you were saying all this in the real

turkey, then this is how they do it. Probably this key key run is, it's too long.

This is how short it needs to be. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense.

Yep. And I said, no, I said, juicy. I think I gave way too much information on that.

Yeah, you probably did, but at the same time, you know, it was one of those things,

you know, just a, just a little piece of the game that you gave away. I don't think it's going,

you know, you just happened some other hunters after.

Well, it's like this right here. The key key is not the only call in the contest. So there's

three other calls for all the calls that you got to do. But the end of the day, you still got to

pick me. All right. I'm going to give them all they need if they're going to be me.

Yeah. I just keep doing what I'm doing. So speaking of, you know, the key key run, like when,

if you know, if you can ask them, if you know how to ask them, if you know what to do,

like when, when in the woods, would you use that?

I just pass on. It's not a certain time. I'm going to use you right here. It's just when you

interacting with birds, you know, give them something a little bit different, though something

that I'm different. You know, everybody won't do the playing yoke, but they won't be cutting. They

will do it side of yoke. You know, sometimes, there's some a little different.

Did something, something, something different? Yeah. I mean, you can be yoke. Yoke, yoke, yoke, yoke.

You know, I was going to do a key key and that thing, thing, thing, thing, thing, thing,

yoke, yoke, yoke, yoke, yoke. You changed them. You changed the game. But I'm doing it.

You changed the game by doing it. And that's what so many people, that's what so many people,

they are afraid to throw something different in them because of that thing messing up. No, give

it a try. I mean, if you listen to the turkeys, turkeys making all kind of sounds every day,

yeah, I mean, I was watching a, after talking to you, I got on YouTube and just

typed in, you know, like, turkey sounds and there's this guy that popped up. I can't

remember his name, but like he literally watches turkeys for lip and mediums and like,

interacts with them and whenever, like, Mr. Denny goddess. Yes, sir. Yeah. That's you.

One is exactly who you talk about. And then, like, some of those sounds I had never heard before

you know, and you know, most hunters need to watch these that you see with what these turkeys,

with the sounds these turkeys are making, you can mimic those when you get the word.

Exactly. Talk to them makes so many sounds, it's unreal. Listen to them in my yard, it's unreal.

Yeah, man, it's unreal. So what, what's one thing in your mind that you think that most hunters

think they know about turkeys, but they really don't.

I think most people think that now this is just my observation.

Most people think that if you go about this person call, that person call is going to make you

a better heart. If you got this call, you got this, go back to me.

When that turkey is right, you can do everything wrong and it works out.

And I was telling you about it, don't limit yourself to new things in the turkey wood.

Don't let me just have to explain them turkey.

Okay, art, if you got a black light in the call in your bag,

if you got a day where Hollywood is calling your bag, you got a wood here calling your bag.

Okay, you can say, hey, you got a house to call and you say,

Stanley, I'm going to run your black light. You hitting that black light, calling nothing.

You can't get nothing. When you reach your bag, pull out that house to call and you hit it, nothing.

You reach it and pull out the other call, who ate your strut, whatever, whatever.

And you hit it and that turkey got to it. You go, whoa, he got was it the other two calls,

three calls you ran before, or was it something about that call that burned like

I ran into that before, man. So

and I always felt like the, you know, say the two calls that I was running that they didn't,

you know, respond to and I picked up the third one. I thought maybe I was just not,

I wasn't hitting the calls right. I was striking, I was hitting like a bad note if it makes sense.

No, well, I'm, I'm going to say it to you like this right here.

Turkey, you call vocabulary, it's something, it's a, it's what you call it,

a, a cricket, right? What two people can call you right now

in your voice and their voice will resonate with you right now.

And they call your name and you'll perk up. My mother's my baby, I guess.

Guess why? Guess why?

The time you came into this world for eight months, you heard your mother's voice every day

being why you sense that her stomach, why you sense that her stomach.

Their voice is in print on you, right?

All right, then you got older. Your dad talked to you.

That voice got in print on you.

You could be in a room with 50 people in there. Again, tell your mom to come on

and they call your name and you know, that's your mom. You know, so think about this.

If that hand is a raspy, yuppin' hand and she said on that cluster of eggs,

the whole time she was yuppin', they heard a raspy, yuppin', didn't it?

You know, so whenever you know who was hunting that bird,

you yuppin' with a clear, yuppin', and he don't respond,

you go to a clear, little ras on the back of it on the stand,

you go all raspy, he respond to you, you go, wow.

So now, how you call that bird from then on?

What you call clear? What you call clear raspy, or what you call all raspy?

Whatever, whatever, which one ever see you respond to, so I guess I'll be the raspy one, all right?

Exactly, call it, guess what? That's what's in print on him. He has a rapier,

so if you go in the woods and you yuppin' with a clear, yuppin' the turkey, jumpin' all over

the governor, you keep a clear, yuppin'. If he got a clear door on the front, raspy in the back,

that's what you run to that turkey, because all raspy, that's what you run to that turkey.

Makes sense, man. I never thought of it like this.

Exactly right. You know, like you said, I got a room full of people,

you know, I don't give you a thousand people in there, my mama walks in there and says my name,

I know who that is, you know, you know your mama's voice, you know your daddy's voice, you know?

Exactly right. That's right.

There's so many people. Let's talk about types of calls, you know, like box calls,

slate calls, diaphragms. Like what made you pick up? I guess what made you want to, you know,

I guess black light, do y'all make just a slate call, do y'all make box or diaphragms, y'all make them all?

You know, I do box calls, I do the slate, I do surrender, I do glass, I do crystal, I got some copper,

I got some aluminum, I got gray aluminum, black kind of dyes, green, I got regular slate,

rear slate, green slate, purple slate.

I mean, I put it in walnut pots, chair wood pots, mahogany pots, walnut pots, zebra wood pots,

oh sage pot, um bro some maple pots. Yeah, different flavors man.

Yeah.

Different flavors. So I think that, you know, especially for a new age hunter, you know,

getting out there and wanting to harvest this first turkey, you know, they go with a big box

door and you know, they got slate calls in front of, they got box calls, they got diaphragms,

all different companies, all different names like, you know, what would you recommend for

like a person just starting out trying to harvest the first day? Like what would you suggest

that they go with it? Me, myself, I would tell anybody just getting in the turkey hunting,

want to start lying turkey hunting. I would tell them go find them, the, I don't know what

somebody's fine after situation like I have no idea, but they can go get an emphasis in them

and a good slate call and good striker. And for a mouth call, I would go find me a nice straight

double re call, learn how to run those calls before I start trying to add more on my job, you know,

to get it done, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So you have to, um,

and when I say job, and when I make the statement job, okay, it's a job picking out good calls.

Good striker. It's a job.

You know, I'm saying, you know, because I mean, you got to find that, you got to find a right warn

that, you know, it's talking turkey to, you know, saying, well, you trying to find that,

you trying to find that call that gives you that hand that you got in your head.

John, you got to get that and make sense though, because,

you know, I went into some, you know, always before, man, you know, I just picked up the tip of the

cheapest call that I could find and I'm just not having no luck, man, and then go with a couple

of buddies, they got some high hiring calls and they're switching calls, lasting right out of their

wrist. They finally find that one, you know, I'm just like, okay, let's make sense why so many

turkey hunters carry so many calls, you know, they got to find that one that's, that's it. And

once they find it, you know, it's game on it. But now what I do is I find that one good call.

And then I try to find four or five different strikers to run on that one call.

Okay, because the strikers are a lot, a lot of the tote in your vest and a bunch of calls it.

Yeah, it sure is. It sure is.

Because all the strikers are going to make it different. Exactly.

Yeah, you're exactly right.

And let's come, let's come petition all of us. We know, you know, so we know what we have to do.

They take it to the woods basics.

It makes sense.

So like, I guess when you go to the woods, let's just say what we're talking about right now,

just for, for newbies, for newbie colors, you know, you get some guys are going there,

blind calling. I mean, they're letting it thank you, you know, sit super loud, then you got some

guys are going there that are open, not loud enough. They're calling too much and some people

are not calling enough. Like, Wendy, you know, when the call,

higher pitched, and Wendy, you call like lower pitch, like, what's your strategy for that?

I don't, I don't like to get high pitch on calls. I like to start off soft and get to a nice

middle monitor home, because you think about this, and I kind of give you a scenario.

If you sit in the middle, it's all like coming and start yelling at straight now.

That other thing, you're going to tell them to shut up and you're going to get them walk out, right?

So if you run to a turkey and you get up and loud, he's not used to that yet loud yet.

Because when a turquoise is communicating in the woods, do you get them to be up and loud?

Sometimes you're bad at getting him, you're up again. Yeah, barely, yes,

sometimes you barely can't hear him. We're not distracting in the leaves, walking in the leaves,

you can hear him. So why would you want to call loud, loud, loud?

Turkey, no, it is not real. Turkey, you're going to get away from me.

It makes sense.

What do you say is right?

I'm taking, taking, taking us to school today.

So if you're in your mind, you're going to change, switching up a little bit from Turkey,

from when you got into that indoor industry, as an African-American caller,

African-American hunter, do you feel like the industry is changing?

Like when you first started getting it up until now?

I mean, well, people need to realize that everything changes every day.

It changes every day.

Nothing says the same. Everything changes. But you have to put your stuff in a position

to grow.

And if you put your stuff in a position to grow, whether they, whether they system

industry, carry on, call it, accept me, be true to yourself, be humble,

enjoy what you can enjoy, control what you can control. Don't sweat the smiles though,

because of the all-small stir. And you'll be hot, it'll be fine, because the industry is

what it is. It's an industry. It's no different than basketball, football, or any other

professional sport, right?

So, how can you say the industry, not doing any fair, not doing me right?

It's vicious, I tell you.

You have to stay true to yourself.

And, you know, be your friendships.

Right.

And then the industry will be what it's going to be, the industry.

That's right.

So, getting through the end of this here, but I appreciate you coming on, but

like, what advice would you give some up and coming, you know, talking hunters or hunters

paid, you know, coming up in this industry to want to get started and kind of take the path

that you took?

First of all, I'll tell them, they truly deserve to be honest, be your friendships.

And if you want to be a part, you either can be someone that has a product,

you can be someone that supports a product.

But you have to have something to give back, whether it's your time, a call, your effort,

it's always something you got to give back. Because this day time, you got to give to give.

And most people will give, but there's a lot more takers out there than they'll give us.

So, you just have to stay true to yourself.

And, you know, in your friends, somebody up, you be their friend.

Don't be their friend because they got this, this, this, this, this.

You be their friend because you want to hang around them and be with them.

Right. Yeah. That makes sense.

Because I feel like a lot of people nowadays, they want to get around somebody that's

in the position that they want to be in and they'll be friending them, but just because

they want to be in that position, if they make sense.

Yes. Oh, yes. There are a lot of people who think you will just cause, they won't say,

oh, that's my friend, that's my brother.

Yes. I mean, it's wow.

Yeah. See, this guy threw it out here.

It really is not like you said, just stay true to yourself.

You know, be friend people and just, you know, do the best you can, man.

You know, you'll make it happen.

I mean, you know, and you think about it, man, I mean,

in 2024, you know, had a heart attack.

And, you know, I'm still here.

Right. God has a plan for me.

So, where are they playing?

The answer to be what it's going to be.

That's right.

Yeah. He wasn't throwing it yet, man.

He still got plans.

He still got plans for you here, man.

He was like, and it ain't, it ain't your time yet.

Get back out there.

Exactly. So, man, that's whatever I tell anybody,

if you can find something that you love to do,

if you can do it respectfully and make money,

make friendships, do it.

All right.

Yeah. I think it comes to you.

It's your way.

Here today, go on the hall.

Yep. That's exactly right.

That's right.

You know, but, man, I've been blessed, man.

I've had a great time with the call and with the deer hunting,

with the turkey hunting.

And, you know, if I never kill another deer,

if I never kill another turkey,

I'm okay with it.

Because I've had an opportunity to kill some of the best deer,

some of the best turkey,

rabbit hunt,

and I've been around some of the best of the best when it comes to doing it.

So, I have no regret.

I have no regrets.

No.

That's good to hear, man.

Yeah.

Well, I'm glad I had a chance to meet you last year.

Didn't have a T.F.

You know, you know,

I think you're in the family, too, man.

Probably because of you, my friend.

Yes.

Yes.

Likewise.

You know, just like you said, man,

I'm always rude for you.

You know, keep known.

You know, and,

you know,

like lightning or I'll be around him forever, man.

Just keep known.

Well, we got to do it for each other, man.

We got to do it for each other and support each other.

Right.

You know,

you know, everybody want to be old today's Monday,

but the day is not your day.

Don't mean you can't still use it for somebody else's dead day.

Right.

Hey, man.

And that's what happened, you know.

You know, when one sees somebody in the little bit better,

I already think he better than me because he's doing this now.

He can tell what he's doing.

Yeah.

Nobody do.

That's it.

Well, Mr. Stanley, man.

I appreciate you hopping on here, man.

I know you've been chasing them target and got a business kids.

I know you probably wore out.

So yes, I am.

I wore a man, but you know, we've got to keep going.

I keep going.

Yeah.

I appreciate you, man.

I can say anything I could ever do for you.

Let me know.

And, you know, if I can do it,

I'll do it for you, man.

But, you know,

appreciate you telling on the podcast.

Hopefully, you know, you said something like that.

Somebody of, you know, run away with it.

You was, you was preaching there for about an hour there.

So yeah, so I mean, like I said, man, I'm tired and like I say,

this podcast, man, I went the best and I went to greatest,

but hey, if we do it again, we're doing it.

Hey, man.

You always welcome on my platform anytime you want to come, man.

So I wouldn't make it happen, man.

Uh, you know, we stayed prayed up and we stayed blessed.

Now what we're going to do.

Yes, sir.

Then tell my little brother, I said, keep yapping.

Well, we'll do.

I think you did that in that way.

I can kind of hear him a little bit.

Well, it's good.

That's good.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, keep getting.

All right, you two, man.

Thank you.

Yes, sir.

That's it, man.

Mr.

Daniel Williams.

We do this to have to with practice big game, small game, all game.

We do this too.

That's right.

And like I said, one thing about it.

Blacklight the game calls.

Strike the evil call.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

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