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Holy Spirit, Lord Jesus, Abba Father, what a privilege it is to be here today.

Recording, having conversations about things that matter in our world today, I ask for wisdom, for guidance, for both Adam and myself.

And I pray for our listeners, I'm so thankful for them as they've been reaching out and asking questions and sharing things and even pushing back at times.

And I'm thankful for all of it, Lord.

We learn through it all.

So bless whoever listens to this podcast. Maybe somebody stumbles on it.

Lord, may they be refreshed and encouraged and inspired.

And may they someday be able to say, wow, we get to do this. Jesus name. Amen.

Amen.

It's Wednesday, March 18, 2026. We get to do this.

This is episode number 25.

This is the light we've been blessed with.

This is a gift.

We get to do this.

This is a chance we did not miss.

This is a life we get to do this.

Yes, we do.

We get to do this brother.

Cheers. We got the black, black, black.

You got to be on black.

I'm doing the just black.

Oh, I didn't know there was a different.

Oh, there's so many different flavors.

It's crazy. I'm in need of this.

It's been an incredible week.

A good week.

A really good week.

It's only Wednesday.

It's a good week.

I'm talking about brother week.

Good week. I've had good technical things.

Good stuff happening.

I had a nice afternoon with my wife.

And we had a nice dinner.

Yeah, just fantastic.

I was looking up the pit boss.

Every night on my mom.

Yeah, Tina's always saying,

I cook every night.

I'm like, all right.

I guess that walking in and out that I do is.

Anyway, she does plant.

I think it's the planning more.

It's like, okay, what should we have?

This cut of beef or this cut of beef?

There it is.

We just placed our order for hometown meat.

These guys are so good.

Love it. Love it.

We got to get this order done.

Yeah, we got that in.

We did a tri-tip last night with espresso rub

from Gingawart Coffee Roasters

by man in Chicago in Illinois.

Wow.

So good.

Remind me again.

Who did the pickles for us?

Jody White.

Well, she sent them to us.

Thank you, Jody.

She wants them to rebrand us the pickle princess

because we've promoted it so much.

Did you finish it off?

Almost.

I'm rationing.

Yeah.

So I'm down to the last two pickles

and I think I've got an onion and a hell of onion.

That's what I had to say.

That's what I wanted to eat here.

I probably will drink the juice.

I know. I know.

And Beau, right, makes him.

Can I get that right?

Yeah, Beau. Thanks, Beau.

All right.

So, yeah.

Today's episode has been

months in the making.

And it really started.

Gosh, I can't believe how many

what episode that was.

We were talking about.

Yeah, it's been a few back.

About replacement theology.

Didn't we call it the Israel conundrum?

No, even before that we were doing that.

I think we're doing it before.

We've hit on this several times.

We have.

We've got so much spinning around

in the in the podcast

pato sphere,

as we call it.

And it's literally like

Ben Shapiro Tucker Carlson,

Megan Kelly, Candace Owens

whom I'm missing.

Just all kinds of.

And they're all

yelling at each other and all

like, you need to denounce

him. denounce her.

Denounce this.

and certainly perked up after October 7th. And all we've heard is labels like Christian

Zionists and all these. And this to me was like, I need to figure out where all of this

is coming from. And it's kind of been presented as a binary option. You're either clarify that.

You're either a Christian Zionist or you're not. Yeah, there's no other option. There's no

other option. And of course, now everything is spun up with what's happening in Iran. So I

wanted to give a little bit of historical background on Iran, our involvement in there,

because people really don't know any history. And even I had to brush up a lot and like, okay,

where actually does this all come from? And when you understand the history of Iran and the

British involvement and the U.S. involvement, it has always been about one thing and one thing

only. Can you guess oil? I was going to say money, but that's

translate. It's oil oil. It's always been one thing and one thing only. And so when we see

the it wasn't a national security advisor, I think quit his job this morning saying, say two things,

the president only focused on one, which is, you know, Iran posed no threat. But he also said,

you know, we've been led into this by, you know, Israel, basically. And so when I look at

this claim that we have been dragged into something for Israel's behalf, it's laughable on its face.

It's just because of, look at what's happening. What is the result of this? The result is the

constriction of flow of oil through the straits of Hormuz, which have been a problem for decades and

decades. But even in the last couple of years, I mean, it may have been cool to just watch the

helicopter footage of the Houthis landing on the oil ship. But this has been an ongoing problem.

This has been an ongoing issue. And without these straits of Hormuz open Saudi Arabian oil can't

come through. Katari gas can't come through this. And of course, Iranian oil, which mainly has

been sanctioned by all countries in the world and goes to China and to other places. So

first, let's understand outside of the terrorism funding aspect, when did this really start?

And it started in the early 1900s when Churchill decided to switch the British Navy and

the British Empire was a naval seafaring empire. They conquered all these countries and turned

them into the big commonwealth, the saying was the sun never sets on the British Empire anywhere.

And they changed their naval vessels from coal, which Britain had enough of to oil. This was

combustion engine had come in now. And so now we're going to use oil to power our ships.

We don't have any oil. So they went looking for oil. And back in the day, certainly if you go

looking around the region, which was not Iraq or Iran or Syria or Jordan, it was Persia.

Of course, the Ottoman Empire, which was this whole area and they were starting to break a part

of their own accord, because it's all just tribal. They went, you know, we should probably

go take a look over there and you could walk through certain places and your feet would step

into oil. And that's how they found it. Literally, it was just so much of it.

And so the British at the time had learned a very, very smart trick, which they had pulled off in

China, which was opium ore. So they got all these people in today, modern day, Iran, and Iraq is

also a part of this. Got them hooked on opium. And so they got this great deal with the tribal

rulers of the time in Iran. We'll take all your oil and we'll give you 10% of that.

Typically, it's like a 50, 50 at least. You know, so no, we'll take all of that,

have another tube of opium. You'll be fine. And so that is, that was the beginning.

But all of these different tribal regions, it was a problem because you had to continuously keep

that flow of oil safe. There were some pipelines that they even put in early on, which is now a

modern day, Syria, and they were piping that up. So they decided to start funding all these

different little groups and tribes to fight each other and stay occupied, you know, the divide

and rule so they could just continue to get the oil. Now around this, we got World War I coming up,

around this time, actually after World War I, which was also partially about oil, because

the Germans now, they were building ships, they wanted oil. There was lots of stuff going on,

even in African region. And the Brits in the French, two guys actually, Sykes and Pico,

you may have heard of this, the Sykes Pico agreement. They decided, let's carve up the Middle East,

and you guys will be responsible for this part and we'll be responsible for this part. And they

just drew some lines and crayon and a napkin and said, oh, this will call this Iraq, we'll call

this Iran, we'll call this Jordan, we'll call this Syria. The region of Palestine was really a lot

of it was Jordan at the time, mainly Jordan, some Syria, and of course it moved all over the

place, including Egypt. And that was really the beginning of the oil, the oil dominance of the

British. So they had the Anglo-Irani and oil corporation, which is now, then was later known as

BP, and they had this great, great idea in 1917 called the Balfour Declaration. And the Balfour

Declaration was, we should, this is again, so we're looking at war times, we should probably

create a place for the Jews, and why don't we make it in their kind of their homeland here in

Israel, because they on one hand will protect another, will be another force for another important

part of the country of the world, which is the Suez Canal. I knew that would come into play.

Of course. And so now we have, now I'm speeding through the years, now I'm not a historian,

but I have it pretty well in my head. Even if you watch the crown, you'll see some of this.

You have the Suez Canal, and then there's always, like Egypt always has revolutions. Like every

three years, there's some revolt going on to this day almost. So Nasser comes in, he was a military

leader, and he's like, you know what? We're taking control of the Suez Canal, so big problem for

the Brits. It's arguable whether they funded the beginning of it or took a small group and

started funding them, the Muslim Brotherhood. And this to this day has been used mainly by the

British, but also by other people in their own autonomous, they've grown so big, to control parts

of the region. So, you know, this idea of building a state for the Jews has always been a,

historically a geopolitical initiative, not a biblical initiative. And Napoleon even tried to

do that. And you know, he's like, he wanted the Jews out of France, which a lot of people still

see him as a friendly towards the Jews, but he wanted to basically get him out, put him in the same

place, didn't work out for him. He lost in different places. And of course, Waterloo, and that was

all over. So the Brits had this Iranian oil, and we benefited from it as well, also to keep it

stable. And then in 1953, you had, Iran was essentially becoming a republic. They had democratically

elected leaders, they had a prime minister, and the Brits were like, this is no good, because we

need to keep these guys, you know, kind of disorganized and fighting each other so we can continue

with the oil. And so this was prime minister Mossadeh. And he said, you know, this thing that these

Brits did, we got it, we got to end this, we're going to nationalize the oil, which would mean

all of the rights to the oil go away. And now Britain has a problem because they have this,

and there's only three oil companies that's time, you have British petroleum, you have royal Dutch

shell, and the Dutch bought the bought shell, and you had a standard oil, you had, or the text,

you know, cow tax or whatever it was. So, you know, those are really the three, the three big oil

companies. And so we decided, and I say we, the CIA and the British Secret Service MI6,

we in 1953, we implement Operation Ajax. And then it's, I love these names. And this is

historical, historical fact. So we now crush this secular nationalist path for Iran. And we bring

in Shah Mohammad Palavi, who, you know, his son is still considered to be the royal crown prince.

It was really just some dude they put in there. All right. So now you're going to have the power.

So for two decades, everything's going going well. But the religious leaders, and this includes

Khomeini, they felt that this had always been a betrayal by the Americans and by the British,

which quite honestly it was. We came in there, did some regime change because we didn't like that

they were democratizing. So the Shah at a certain point launches what was known as the white

revolution. And this, this was not accepted by any of the religious leaders in Iran.

They kicked Khomeini out. He's in exile for 15 years. But this builds and builds and builds and

builds. And then by 1978, 1979, the Islamic revolution is about ready to kick off. And so the first

they, well, not the first thing, but one of the things they do is they, you know, so they send

the royal family goes on vacation. They wind up in France. They lived there forever,

basically never to come back. They were exiled. It's a whole big mess. And then they go in,

the students go in, it was a student uprising, go into the US embassy. And they keep, you know,

all these embassy workers, I think it was about 50 or 60 of them hostage for 444 days in total.

You remember this. And why was this? They were getting all the documents that CIA had shredded.

Embassies are, are always cover for CIA's, the CIA station. So the CIA had, had shredded all

of these documents that, that proved that we had done Operation Ajax with the Brits. And they took

all these snippets, brought it over to the schools and said to the kids, you like puzzles, right?

Put this together. And they spent these hundreds of days putting it all together. So there was

proof positive that we had actually done that. You know, and then, you know, so Jimmy Carter,

he was trying to get the hostages out. There was, the whole thing was still such a mess because

Ronald Reagan didn't want those hostages to come out before the election because he thought that

that Jimmy, Jimmy Carter would be seen as a hero for getting the hostages free and no one really

understood at the time what it was about. We only know that in hindsight. So our CIA actually

actively worked with the Islamists saying, can you just hold back just a few more days until

after November? And, wow. And Carter was actually trying up until January, you know, whenever the

handover was, he was still as president actively trying to get that done. And then, of course, Reagan

gets an office boom. It's all taken care of. So this is really how the, the, the, the mullahs and,

and the, the Ayatollah came to power. And this is where all of the problems started.

Wow. Or the modern day problems. So it was a puppet government completely. That was literally

what they called it. They called it the puppet government. So now you know why the, the so-called

Crown Prince son is like, oh, I should come back. But even that was, that was the puppet. His dad

was the CIA MI6 puppet. And so really, that's why I think President Trump is not interested in him

because they know how to do a secular, democratically elected government. And they were a republic,

just like the United States, a republic. So this has always been about oil. And now you just add

to it that they were taking all of that. And I would say in a way on behalf of the, the British

system, and I'm not, you know, it's not like Prince King Charles is personally responsible. But

the banking system, the shipping system, the insurance system, it all runs through the city

of London banking system. And the estimate is that for every barrel of oil that comes through

the Straits of Hormuz, five to fifteen dollars is just insurance premium, just extra money that only

has to be paid to Wall Street banks, city of London banks, city of London insurance companies

are just banks. So they love this. They love the problems in the Middle East. Keep it going.

And it's lucrative. Of course, the problem is Israel, the Jews turned out to not be so

subservient. And so they smart. And they started fixing the country they had been given that,

you know, and this is where the argument comes down to, or they deserve, or they by covenant should

have. And this creates all of this tension. The United States is allied, of course, with Israel,

because that is our, as we call it, the, the aircraft carrier in the sand. And this is where,

in the past, we have also continued to, to poke and make sure stuff keeps the tension goes on

in the region. I mean, and I could go into Kuwait and Iraq and Sodom Hussein, who we all loved,

until we didn't love him, we are not good actors in all of this historically. So let's just put

that up front. Agreed. So at this point, we have Iran using their, their power to fund all kinds

of destabilizing forces, not all necessarily just to get rid of Israel, but to destabilize Lebanon,

Lebanon destabilize Syria destabilize Iraq, to some degree destabilize Egypt. That has been the

system that we just needed that to keep that sweet, sweet oil flowing at a premium that really

kind of the British financial empire controlled. And why was that? When the Brits converted from this

global empire of land to a global empire of finance, and they were in the game way before Wall Street

came along. So those two were kind of symbiotic. Okay. So that's the truth of what's happening. And

right now, President Trump, he did a, he did what every president has every president since Roosevelt

has said, we need to take care of Iran. These guys are a problem. And whether it was the Wall Street

people who said, no, whoever was saying, no, no, no, no president ever did it. Right. And now we see

all the problems that have, have arisen from Iran being able to do whatever they do. Could they

actually have nuclear weapons? I don't know. I've been here next week for, you know, 10 years,

maybe, maybe not. It was a pretext, but the idea was we've got to get, we've got to get it back

to where it was. We want to play fair with them. We want to have real trade with them for their oil.

And this plays into what President Trump set up in his first term, the Abraham Accords.

This is what even historians say. This would be fantastic because if we could have Israel as a part of

all of these different Arab nations and have Saudi Arabia and the Iranians, Sunnis and Shia,

who historically hated each other. Right. That's why I'm always laughing if someone says,

well, ISIS was fighting because of Iran. No, ISIS is the other side of Iran. So no, that's,

that's wrong. And there seems to be motivation for that. And Saudi Arabia, you've been doing all,

this is what President Trump did, this term, you've been getting all, you know, you've been doing

oil business. We're going to turn you into a data center, a high tech center of the Middle East,

and you'll participate in the global AI race, et cetera, et cetera, for whatever that means.

But that's not the way it's playing out in American politics. In American politics, all you hear

is President Trump got dragged into this by Israel because, you know, he's needed to blow up Iran to

protect Israel nonsense. It doesn't even make economic sense. You know, so the cope of grasping at,

well, it's because he's being blackmailed by Epstein. No, I mean, it's pathetic. It's pathetic

on his face where this is a game about oil and resources and money and who controls and who

does not control and what's fair. And isn't it always historically, it's always about, we're done.

That's right. Good night, everybody. No, it's always about oil, turf, and, you know,

some, there's always some personal stuff in there, but that's, that just is from leader to leader.

So I've been trying to figure out where this notion comes from that we have gotten into a

position where you have, there's really two camps and I learned recently, mainly through listening

to you very carefully that there's three. One is, Israel is not important because, according to

the New Testament and Jesus, the church is the new Israel, then you have the other side

who says, we're really in the church age right now of the seven different ages, dispensationalism,

and then there's a third that we'll get to. But what this results in is a confusion for believers,

Christians. Yes. What am I supposed to do here? Am I supposed to defend, support Israel,

is Israel the state, the region, the government, etc. Or do I denounce them for so-called genocide?

What is genocide? Well, should I just shut up and be really quiet, which I think is what most

people do? And this is a big problem because you're missing, you're missing a great opportunity

to help people understand, in my opinion, and I believe your opinion, what God really intended

and what He really said. Now, this has come to a head with podcasters who believe they are great

theologians. I didn't know, Tucker Carlson was a Christian until recently,

and the same goes for many other people who have at least expressed their faith openly.

But I knew this was a real problem. In our community, when I hear our friend,

Matt Long on the Matt Long show just this week, and it's a very short clip, just to give you an idea

of the confusion of where we are as believers in this geopolitical argument about Israel.

And so, well, that puts us in a bizarre situation because is the state of Israel, is the government

of Israel? Is that who God made his promise to? Did he make it to Jerusalem?

Did he make it to the Jewish people who were descended by blood only to the Jewish people?

These are all questions that a lot of us have, and many of us grew up with preconceived notions on

that. Okay. So when Matt heard this by the way, I played this on Hello Fred.

As a promo, yeah, you're right. I heard it. That's, yeah, I heard the promo too. I'm like,

wow, I got to grab that out of the promo. That's, that's a good bit. So I'm going to try and

boil it down and then we'll get to the third option. But the amongst a lot of people who

are saying, literally saying the Christians in America are Zionists, they're the problem,

they let Israel get away with everything. The politicians are pro-Israel. And they'll do anything

to defend Israel. They come from the School of Replacement Theology. And we played some Nick

Fuentes a while back. I think that's probably where we talked about it where he said, don't know,

the church has replaced Israel. And that is replacement theory. Now, I'm going to play a couple

clips and then we'll get into where this comes from. So Tucker had on

former Miss California, Kerry Prajon Baller. And you may remember her from like 20 years ago,

she was, she was a shoe into wind and then go on to win Miss USA. But the, what she said very

clearly, no, I believe marriages between one man and one woman, that's my faith. And so she got

burned, you know, excoriated, of course. And that's when she became friends with President Trump.

And he kept in touch with her throughout all these years because she definitely went through

some ups and downs and whatever career because she was seen as a nut job. As one does. And she

winds up being asked to be on the defending Christian faith presidential board. And this includes

a number of people, including Dan Patrick, who was a, is he our attorney general, attorney general.

No, no, he's our lieutenant governor lieutenant. Right. Who's our attorney general packs packs.

Okay. Yeah. So he's easy to get those names mixed up. Yes. And they're going to get even more

mixed up. I think one of the ones elections are over. And Paula White, who runs the, the office

of faith for the president and I believe is his pastor. I'm not sure. And, but also, you know,

like Dr. Phil is on there, but it's a, it's a prestigious thing. And she was asked to resign

from the board who the carry. Oh, the former Miss, Miss California runner up Miss California,

because, because she was posting things about what Israel was doing in Gaza.

And, and it was clear that it was more about politics than about faith. But as she sat down with

Tucker Carlson, this is where, this is where, this is where it really got interesting for me,

because you can hear exactly how the programming has been shoved in and how it works.

This very binary choice, which is not ultimately binary about the support of Israel. So she says,

no, I'm not going to resign. Then she gets a call from Paula White and Dan Patrick. And they're

saying, no, you really have to or you have to run all your tweets through us or, you know,

it sounded like a very untenable situation. Here's her, I have a couple of clips of this. Here's

her takeaway as to how this happened in her conversation with Tucker Carlson.

Did either one of them explain why a requirement of the Christian faith is supporting the Netanyahu

government? Do they explain the theology there? You already see where this is going, right?

I don't, I don't understand it. Yeah, no, they never explained it. They just said, you can't have

your theology. You can't believe what you want. You have to submit to ours. But their theology is

that Christians are required as a matter of faith to support the government of Israel. Oh,

yeah. Oh, yeah. Those who bless Israel will be blessed. It's exactly what Ted told you.

Yeah, I mean, he had no idea where in the Bible, it was, of course, that's not that line is not

actually in the Bible. It doesn't say that. But whatever, I just the leap between that, whatever

that means, it does mean something. And the moral, the religious requirement to support the

government of Israel, I mean, those are just like completely two different things. I did.

Oh, they don't think they are a lot of interesting things just to start this off. I completely

take at face value the belief that she and Tucker think and have gotten the impression and it may

be very true that politicians who believe in dispensationalism or whatever their belief is

that is that the 1948 creation of the state of Israel was a prophetic fulfillment and we are

and we have to defend that at all costs to have the end times accelerator, whatever eschatological

phase we're in. I need you to comment on just where we are so far. So, well, dispensationalism

would hold, you know, that there's a place for Israel. There is prophetic implications for both

current Israel then when it was said back in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant,

but also for today. So, it's both now and for then, now and future. There's also another view

which is completely the opposite of that, which would be replacement theology. And by the way,

no one person came up with replacement. You can't go back to this person started that.

Well, the argument, and I've looked into this, is that for 1,500, 1,800, 2,000 years,

since Constantine, I did hear that, and Justin Martyr and others, that that's when Constantine,

who of course made Christianity the official religion, he could not have people believing that Israel

was still a thing in order to keep power. And I believe that's probably been carried over through

the Church of England, like, no, no, no, no, no, we are very, we are the new Israel. And that was

for political reasons that you just couldn't believe that. Right. Does that sound useful?

So, so back to replacement theology. Yeah, it does sound. It says that Israel is over and done,

that that the Church is now the new Israel, it is, it is replaced Israel. So all the prophetic

implications were either fulfilled in the Old Covenant, covenant or in the first century,

the New Testament, the New Age. So to speak, that now everything pertains to the Church,

everything's about the Church. Now, problem is, we're doing this again. We're soloing these

things and saying it's either or again, you use the word binary. Hold on. There's another way.

No, no, we're, I know, that's where I want to get at the end, but I want you to have the punchline.

No, no, you're going to have the punchline, but I want to take us through because you mentioned

replacement and fulfillment, that's exactly what comes up in this next clip. Didn't Paul a white

or Dan Patrick explain where you were wrong on doctrine? No, no, they just said, I cannot hold

firm to replacement theology, which they don't know, Catholics, it's fulfillment theology. We believe

that we are the fulfillment, you know, it's not replaced. They like to dig us and say,

oh, you believe in replacement theology. No, no, no, we're the fulfillment.

Christ is the fulfillment of Israel. Well, that's what we are the New people of thought. Yeah,

exactly. I mean, it says it like on every page. Okay, the theologian Tucker Carlson.

Well, that's Tucker. So now, now this kind of a lot of nuances, little nuance here. So replacement

versus theology, please. Well, she says we're not replacement theology. We're fulfillment theology.

I've never even heard that term. I love it. It's not an official term, but great. But really what she's

blending over into is what I would call a hybrid theology, which brings in covenant theology.

And I would definitely lean more towards covenant theology. We're going to get to covenant.

Okay, we're going to get to covenant, but she's pulling that in. Well, as a piece, but she's not

nuanced, but she's not here. I haven't heard the whole. No, no, no, it's it's mind blowing.

My brother, Pastor Jimmy, it is mind blowing because this programming, when I hear Tucker Carlson say,

it's all over the Bible. I'm like, no, it's not it's like, no, it's quite the opposite and that

we'll get to, but now we get the explanation from her. And this is just a mom, you know, she was

a beauty queen, but she's a mom and she just trying to do the right thing. And I have to be honest,

she sounds very bitter. She's got a bitter tone and maybe for good reasons, but well, I think she's

she's been screwed around her whole life. Yeah, she's very hurt, but yeah, but this is the conversation.

This is what is driving the entire narrative. And once we can get down to the the basics of what

it is and what it isn't, then at least we can feel good about defending whatever we want to defend.

But they're accusing you of believing in something called replacement theology. For people who don't

follow this and I'm kind of one of them, I don't fully understand what that means. What do they

mean by that? They believe that so replacement theology, their claim is that the church has replaced

Israel. So for 2000 years, that's what all of the early church fathers have taught that we are the

new Israel, we're the spiritual semites. They would literally be rolling in their graves if they

thought that we were being told that 1948 Israel is some biblical prophecy fulfillment.

I mean, that alone is insane. That they think that this political state of Israel that was created

in 48, mostly by atheists, is some biblical prophecy being fulfilled. And I mean, you're aware

of Darby in Scofield and these, this is the fruit of that. And I have a feeling that

there are politicians who absolutely believe that the 1948 Israel is fulfillment of prophecy.

Yes. And it may well be, but I'm like, whatever God's timing, God's deal, I don't know if we're

supposed to defend the government. I mean, there've been a lot of bad governments in Israel, a lot

of bad kings, a lot of, you know, a lot of bad stuff is going on and going on there. But this is

the schism. And I don't think all politicians believe this, but whether they're using it as a reason

to go along to get along with the military industrial complex and they're hiding behind it, whether

they fully believe it. I'm not exactly sure. But this is what leads to this label of Zionism. So

when you hear Ted Cruz defending a genesis saying trying to defend, you know, if you bless Israel,

you will be blessed in sending money or supporting militarily the Israeli army, government, etc.

This is where the term Christian Zionism comes from, which this good Catholic girl has never heard

of. Was there any other place in America, I mean, in the world, rather, where you have a big group

of Christians who believe that 1948 Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy? No. In fact, do you know

Tucker that I asked my priest who I had several, I had about six priests guiding me before this hearing,

spiritually advising me before this hearing, because I wanted to make sure I need to make sure that I

know what I'm saying and that it's actually accurate with what the church teaches. That church.

And I'll never forget he's from Spain. God bless him. He's so, so sweet. And I said, Father,

do you know what Zionism is? He looked at me like I was an alien and he's like, what Zionism?

I couldn't believe it. I said, you realize in America that these people like Pala white,

Dan Patrick, Ted Cruz, most of our politicians in government who have power who are in the White

House praying over the president, there's Zionists. They believe that 1948 Israel is a biblical

prophecy fulfillment. He looked at me like I was crazy. He said, nobody's ever taught that.

So this made me think, do Catholics in America are they completely into fulfillment and replacement?

That's a good question. I can't answer for Catholicism and their theology on that.

I know that when we were in Israel 2005, we were very connected to and involved with the largest

messianic church there. These were actual Jewish people who had embraced Jesus Christ as the Messiah

and there was a thriving church up in the Hatha Bay area. Still there going strong.

One of the largest congregations, they believe that 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy

that there would be a day where they would be back in their land and they would the land that

they believe God, by scripture, promised them. And so when she says something so definitive,

as no one else believes this anywhere in the world, I'm going, you're wrong.

But this is Christians. This is the enemy speaking through her. I mean, I'm trying to have

some compassion too. I'm trying to nail her. I'm just saying, when you say those nowhere, nothing,

no one was definitive terms, you're using a very wide paintbrush and you're brushing these

wide strokes. And I'm hearing that in the rhetoric a lot where no one seems, I just did it.

Not many people are trying to qualify my terms. Not many people are actually leaving room

for the nuance to say, well, I may not believe everything exactly the way you say it, but yet I

do see support for the truth or the idea in Romans, the book of Romans that we as the Gentiles have

been grafted into the vine, which makes us partners and brothers and sisters. And then I look

in Ephesians 2 and I find, wait, the dividing wall has been broken down between you and Gentile,

they are now one new man. So you can make a good case either way, but I think you can make a

good or a better case for the C word that you wouldn't let me say earlier. No, this is where it's

open for you. It's the covenant, it's the idea of covenant theology where God made

covenants with Israel. And we are now, and she's the word that I would use that we're in this

long narrative. You know, you look at the narrative of the scripture. And a lot of prophecies are

now fulfilled now and fulfilled then. So they're layered in nature. They don't always have just one

thing. They're typically stacked. And so you'll see something happen then that pertain to that

prophetic word being spoke, especially here, Isaiah and all of them. Isaiah is equal. But there's also

future future implications. You get the book of Revelation and go, wow, he's mirroring back to

Ezekiel. He's mirroring back to Isaiah. He's, you know, so it's both and not either or. And I think

that's where I'm struggling to use the word binary where it makes this hard definition between

either or and no room for both. And well, that's, that's what I had to discover. I thought it was

binary. I thought it was replacement theology dispensationalism. And the more I listen to you and

and the more we just had conversations, the more I realize, oh, wait a minute. You heard the

the keyword here is scoffield study. They say scoffield Bible, but we talked about the

scoffield study Bible. And so the conspiracy theory, and this is, this is my territory. You want to

launch a conspiracy theory? I'm going to look into it. So the theory is that the whole Christian

everybody in Christianity believes in the fulfillment and replacement theology until this guy came

along. And here comes, and he edited the scoffield study Bible, which technically, linguistically,

yes, he edited a study Bible. People take that as he edited the Bible and I'm not kidding. This

is the genesis of the problem. And created this, this hoax, this, this non-truth so that people

now be politically motivated to defend the 1948 state of Israel at any cost. And this is the

reason we're in the war and we'll pick up covenant theory right off this short clip.

Yeah, it's really scary. Well, it's yeah. And especially since we just, you know, wound up in a war

thanks to this. I mean, it's hard not to see this as all preparation for for this war, which is

resetting the world. And they had to get rid of the, the only dissenter of that of Zionism.

They had to get rid of her on this commission before the war. It was within weeks.

This is the enemy's best, best move ever. He is made people believe that because of this

non-binary choice, because when I look at scoffield, I had to go and look at the study Bible

passage in me. This became difficult for me. He actually talks about covenant theory in

there as well and rejects it out of whole cloth. No, no, no, it can only be dispensationalism and

it's these periods. So I'm like, oh, hold on a second. So he doesn't even think. So they may have

actually that Bible, that study Bible may have been set up for some reason, possibly, but nobody's

talking about covenant theology, which to me, it's right there in black and white what God has

through man has written in there. This is not something from 19, you know, from the late 1800s.

It's not from a study Bible. This is from the original text.

Not somebody to opinion about. No. And for people now to use this as the excuse,

oh, this is why we're going to war. Excuse my French bull crab.

No, it's about oil. And this, this is a side show, which is hurting, I think it's hurting

believers who want to just like, and we learned this from our buddy Joe who wrote in and said,

what do you mean you support Israel? Yeah, yeah, that was good. I'm glad he did.

And they just think it through. Yes. And I think this was God bringing us to this point. Like,

can we just discuss what is really going on here? And from your theological standpoint,

which I believe is the same as mine, I don't, I'm not a theologian, but I'm a Jesus freak.

And I can read like, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem. I pay play for peace in the Middle

least. Absolutely. If the 1948 Israeli state is part of fulfillment of scripture,

hallelujah, that has, that doesn't change my opinion of war or, or, you know, killing people one

way, the other or a government, you know, do I, do I even like my government here in America?

That isn't, doesn't that has nothing to do with it? And is that a correct way of saying it?

Well, eschatology, your viewpoint, and there's dozens of them out there. But, you know,

we talked about the top three in terms of Israel. It does, it does frame what you say,

what it frames your worldview. But it doesn't have to change your worldview. And here's the thing is,

we've got to be able to think and talk about these things and have good conversations about them

as opposed to coming in. Well, no one does rise outside of America, outside of the White House

is what she is. They're the only ones. Republican party. I mean, just the broad stroke language

is, is completely what's been so frustrating over the last few decades in America where

if you don't agree with me on every point, then you hate me, you know, it's, it's more of that

type of rhetoric. But now it's been drug into theology. It's been drug into Christianity. It's been

into the faith realm. So now faith becomes a weapon again. I believe the first time. And I believe

it's a weapon, political weapon to break apart the conservative right. Absolutely. Which is

probably work of Satan itself. Like he's, he has fingerprints all over this for 150 years.

You know, at the end of the day, we, we need to be honest about things. Does, does my theology,

then the worth theologists, all it means is a logic king about theos. Theyos. God,

Supreme Court. Go and agree. Theology is the study of or the logic king of the thinking about

God. The scripture tells us we've been given the mind of Christ. Now, that doesn't mean we're using it.

But we've been given it. You know what I'm saying? That's me. I'm always tapping into it.

There are days I'm not. There's weeks I'm not. But at the end of the day, if we will pause and say,

Lord, your word says that I've been given the mind of Christ. And it also says I've not been given

a spirit of fear, but of power and love and of a sound mind, the ability to think, well, Lord,

I want to apply these things. I want to apply this truth to me as I think about, as I pray about,

as I read, as I study, as I ask questions. And yet what we see are these, this bold bulldozer type.

It's not a conversation. These are just a series of monologues that are out there, especially on

podcasts. Yes, we are. Yes. Instead of people being humble and saying, you know what?

prove me wrong. Help me understand. Maybe I'm not getting it. Maybe, maybe I don't know the

scripture. I'd love to hear Tucker say, you know, I really don't know the Bible. I'm new to this.

I'm learning. But for him to say blatantly out loud with passion, it's on every page. I mean,

it's just shocking to me the lack of humility that we need that we can, that we should be

approaching these things in. I see covenant theology as, I don't even know if it's a blend or

an hybrid, but, but it's the middle ground of saying, there's this beautiful narrative of God

coming to earth in the form of a sun, Jesus, to redeem the mistakes, to redeem the sin, to

redeem the mishaps and missteps of mankind. Now, how that impacts Israel, how it impacts anybody,

at the end of the day, it impacts every human being on the planet. So can we set some of this stuff

aside and talk about the real issues here? And it is this is Jesus Christ, who he says he was,

is he the Messiah? Is he the one they waited so long for? Well, according to Simeon, the prophet

who held up baby Jesus like Mufasa holding him up, I could hear the song, right? Who waited his

entire lifetime to see the fulfillment of the Messiah coming and he came. And can we focus on what

needs to be focused on? But what these, what I'm seeing in podcast land, and I heard a pastor say

this recently on his platform is, is they're not building anyone up. They're in the business of

tearing people down for likes and clicks and sponsors. And it's like what happened to

being a life giving force on the air or on in podcast world on the internet of saying,

let's build something up, let's build something good. And that doesn't mean disparaging everybody who

doesn't agree with you. So that's where my struggle is when we get into these these arguments over

which kind of theology you're living in. But I hear what you're saying, because it,

whatever that is, it frames, it frames how you see the world, it frames how you interpret a war

where Israel and America seemed to have partnered up. I got like a guy who did 11 tours

in the Middle East whose wife was killed by an IED in Syria. She was also a military. He just

quit his job because he is convinced that Israel dragged us into a war that we were supposed to fight

for them. This breaks my heart. Wow. That's that's the level that it's come to. And so when Matt

Long has a question like that, how can we, as believers, address this without showing a binary

choice? And also I would say to someone like Tucker like, if you know the Bible so well, perhaps

you need to look at the, you know, what's in your own eye when you're trying to get the speck out

of someone else's, you know, it's like we can talk all day and proverbs and different scripture

about who's right or who's wrong. Right. The compassion has been thrown out the window. And it is

the enemy who just wants the world to hate Jews and Israel because that is the result. So that has

to be, that has to be the mission. And that by itself tells me that prophecy is underway and it's

trying to be stopped by the, the ongoing war in the heavenly realm. It actually substantiates the

prophetic. Yes. You have to share something about the theology. Covenant theology sees the whole

Bible as one unfolding story of God's promises to his people. So there's continuity in this often

highlighting continuity like the church being grafted into the family of faith. That's something

that a lot of people forget is that we are not the vine. We were grafted into it. And that puts us

not first. It puts us with. Yeah. See the difference. Replacement theology, though a controversial

label suggests the church fully replaces Israel and God's plan, meaning the promises of Israel to

are now only fulfilled in the church. Covenant theology however usually sees a role for both more

of a grafting in rather than a replacement. This is why if I had to identify and say I'm this,

which I wrestle with that because I'm all about definitions and nuances and it's almost dangerous

to say I'm this. It's like buying a prefabbed home. You didn't choose anything. You just stepped

into what somebody else built. That's why I struggle with a lot of these labels. But what I would say

I'm more closely aligned with is Covenant theology. And it's because of Romans, the book of Romans

about being grafted into the vine and that we're to be thankful for that and thankful to the Jewish

people for that. There's a lot of things going on here. I want to share a couple of things.

Listen to what, and this is it out of 1 Peter chapter 2 and it talks about this. It says this,

but you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession.

Now you just read that without any context. A lot of people are going to say, oh well that's Israel

because that's from the book of Ezekiel. And then you have to come back and say actually this was

written to the church. This was written to who were both Jews and Gentiles. That's why in,

this is why in Ephesians chapter 2, listen to this, 14, for he himself is our peace. Christ is our

peace who has made us both one. And he's talking about Jews and Gentiles. He has made us both one

and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility. So to me, when I read that,

I don't see either or it's either that's the binary thing. I see it as both and that's the

continuity of Covenant theology where yes, God still has a plan for his people. And will I continue

to pray for them? Absolutely. According to God's word, I'll stand on that and pray for them and ask

God to save them because it says until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Well, it hasn't been

fulfilled yet because evangelism is still happening. The great commission is still happening. So

in the meantime, I pray for the redemption and the salvation of Israel and Jerusalem, of course,

that they would come to know Jesus Christ as savior. I don't mean that to be offensive to any

Jewish person. It's from a heart of love. It's from a heart of compassion. It's from a heart of

somebody who was not always a Christian, you know, a guy who like you later in life came to Christ

and was like, oh my goodness, this is amazing. And then as a new Christian, you're looking at going,

what are you guys fighting all about? Why are you guys fighting all the time? We got business. We got

work to do. Yes. We have a good message to share with everybody else, but we're going to sit

and you made a comment. The side issue, the side thing, our sidebar, whatever you said,

something earlier. And that's really what happens. That the sidebar things become the main thing,

which distracts us from the real main thing. Yes. Yes. And that is sharing the love of God,

sharing the mercy of God, the grace of God, the heart of God. And to my world, my Jewish friends,

Israeli friends, I'm looking at you, Sir Brian. I love that guy, by the way. What I love about him is

we can discuss. I can discuss Christ with him. And he'll just say, oh yeah, you know, just so you

just so you know, we see him as an insurrection as he wasn't the guy. And we can move on from there.

Exactly. And we can move on and I hate conversation. And it's not like I'm not praying for him. He's

praying for me. We are. Yeah. And that's what's beautiful. Yeah. It's just so unfortunate that

our culture, particularly in America, but also in Europe and other continents is obsessed with this.

And unfortunately, I've seen the results of how some of this ends up. And it's not pretty. And

then everyone was, oh, that really sucked. We shouldn't have done that. We should have killed all

these Jews. And oh, right. Let's reboot. And we won't do that again. And it gets so bad where,

you know, you get restrictions on freedom of speech, which are kind of creeping in very slowly,

which I'm a little nervous about. I mean, to say to a university, you can't have this kind of

speech going on or we won't fund you. It's like, that's borderline. It's almost the problem in

the opposite. It's like overcorrecting. It's like overcorrecting wokeness. Like, no, no, no,

we can't have that either. So there's all these issues. When ultimately, and this won't happen

in the next four years, but I think we'll see the President Trump did a very courageous thing.

If he pulls it off and he believes he will, we could see an incredible flourishing of peace

in the Middle East and prosperity, prosperity for all, including the Iranian people. Exactly.

And the Syrians, and Jordanians, and Iraqis, and it really could get to a great place. He did

an amazing thing. I just have to mention this. Did you see the state of the union where you probably

saw the clip where he said, if you think Americans should be supported by the government over illegal

aliens, stand up. Yes. And, you know, half of the Democrats award didn't get up. Yeah.

In essence, did the same thing. He said, anybody who thinks that we should be

taking down this regime and opening up the Straits of Hormuz and keeping that safe, send your

ships over. He said that on Sunday. On Monday, he said, well, there you go. You guys are no good.

We'll remember what that was was we're taking away that premium of $15 on a barrel of oil.

We're going to take that. We're going to secure it. We're going to ensure shipping. Now, he's not

there yet. I'm just going to pray for him that he gets thematically deconstructing. He's pulling

a part of very old worldwide financial power, global system. And instead of seeing that and praying

for him and for our military men and for everyone in the conflict, we're obsessed with this

exactly. With this one issue that is all ultimately meant to influence the midterm elections.

Can I settle something? Please do. Can I just kind of go to the end of the story?

Yeah, it was a whole Harvey moment here. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Romans 11, 25 and 26.

This is where in these arguments, whether it's Tucker and this lady or Tucker and who everybody

seems like Tucker and everybody right now. He's always talking about this. No one has ever pulled

this passage up. Romans 11, 25 says this. This is the Apostle Paul in his completely amazing

epic work, theological work, weight and gravity, the book of Romans. It's the greatest

knowledge. It is big. He says, I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and

sisters, so that you may not be conceited or arrogant. Israel has experienced a hardening

in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. So right there, God in his plan,

which is bigger than we can even wrap our minds around, he puts a cap on Israel not to punish them,

but to create an opportunity for us to come into the same blessing. This is huge. This goes back

to the grafting and the vine, but listen how he ends it. Verse 26, and in this way, all Israel

will be saved. As it is written, the deliverer will come from Zion. That was Christ. He came out of

out of Israel. He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. He's saying that because the Israel

lights in a sense were forced to participate in the fullness of the Gentiles, the Gentiles coming

in. He's saying because of that great sacrifice, then they will be saved. They will be redeemed.

This is what Paul was trying to help understand and that it was a mystery because people didn't

understand is why would why would God turn the Israelites, the Jewish peoples face away from Christ.

And it was in order that the Gentiles would be able to come in. And when that time is up,

whatever the fullness of time, then he says all of Israel will be saved. This is where I go back

to when people are just losing their minds over this stuff. And I go, can we just read the end of

the book? Let's read the end of this treatise of the Apostle Paul who declares both is going to

happen. The Gentiles are going to come in. The fullness. That's us. You and I are reaping that

right now. But also the Jewish people Israel will be saved. It's it's all Iggbock. It's going to

be okay. My favorite coffee mug. It's going to be okay. God has a plan. He's working the plan.

We can split hairs on it all day long and get mad and get upset and create 500 more podcasts.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It gets sponsors and clicks and lots and all that. But at the end of

the day, we're taking something that's already been settled in scripture and just pontificating about

it. Amen. And slaughtering one another verbally, relationally, families are divided over this kind

of stuff. That is not the intent of scripture to divide. Although it does say father return

against his son. I mean, it does divide. He came to divide very nature and yet he's the

prince of peace. You know, for me, it's like I don't portend. That's the right word. I don't know

what God's plan is. Jesus said he'd know when it was all going to happen. Even the son of God

does not know when it's going to happen. So why would I even be bothered worrying about it?

I've got a job to do. That's one job and that is, you know, go out and make more disciples.

I think that's the only job. Yeah. It's not my job to argue about other stuff. And here's what we know.

And I'm sorry to interrupt. No, please. It's very important. He is coming again. Yes.

He's coming back. And that was the primary driver of the first century when they said of the

disciples, these men are turning the world upside down. That was the driver. Jesus promised he

would come back and they lived into that promise. And because he's carried because he didn't,

that doesn't diminish what it accomplished. And it should be accomplishing the same thing in you

and me. We're 2000 years closer to him coming back. And tomorrow will be another day 24 hours

closer, which means the further this goes down, the higher the probability of that this could be

the day. This could be the year. And that should drive us. What it should do is create guardrails

on our lives to say, I want to be ready. That's what the whole point of eschatology is.

It's not to have charts and graphs and numbers and all this. But that makes for a great podcast.

Well, sells books and make movies. I mean, it's all kinds of all industry built around this.

But at the end of the day, it is meant to be a driver for us to give us guardrails so that we are

ready when he returns whenever that is. I'm going to end it. I'm going to end it on that brother.

I really appreciate your insight on this course. And I hope someone someone out there got something

from this. And you can just calm down calm down. It's going to be okay. Yes.

And with that, we will land this plane. We'll be back next week with another episode of We Get To Do This.