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Maybe Epstein didn't kill himself, but nonetheless YouTube censored that. So that of course like woke me up. I'd love to be just
just a drink the Kool-Aid American and say, hey, we're living a great country. There's no corruption here.
In conspiracy theorists, we've unfortunately been right about everything. I mean, we live in a
culture that likes to glorify the victim mentality. It lifts a lid on a shady kind of rotten
global elite. There's a very big world with a very thin crust. I'm not inventing conspiracy theories
here, but Howard Lutnik, you know, he had some involvement in 9-11, where his business on top of
the world trade towers. I do think we are in a pivotal moment in history.
Now, he's been over a decade exposing corruption off the powerful through comedy. As the Epstein
files are unsealed and a wave of arrests around the world has begun. His commentary looks less like
a joke and more like a definitive warning. Joining us now is hosts of Awakened With JP.
JP says, welcome to Harry Cole saves the West. You spent years mocking an untouchable elite,
but they're looking pretty touchable right now with the unsealing of the Epstein files. You've got
politicians, royals in police cells. Do you feel vindicated or in reality, is it worse than you
ever thought? Yes, to all of that, honestly. You know, I'll tell you the vindication part,
which is so not necessary, but like, yeah, there's that. The first Epstein video I made mocking
the situation was before COVID. It was very early 2020 and YouTube censored that. You know,
so that kind of wakes me up in my whole thesis so that comedy video was maybe Epstein didn't
kill himself. But nonetheless, YouTube censored that. So that, of course, like woke me up. Like,
I know where censorship goes. They never censored the truth. So I'm like, all right, well, there's
something deeper here. And now we see beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like, there was some stuff going
on that needed to be exposed. And then, you know, another side of the vindication is conspiracy
theorists. We've unfortunately been right about everything. So what's one more little checkbox
of vindication is a boost for the ego. But man, it's exciting to see what used to be in the shadows
with the criminal doings. Like, there's some light being shined on it. And granted, I think we're
still in the process, especially in the US, of powers that be protecting the criminals. I think
the rest of the world is doing much better. There's some arrests being made, but not in the US.
So we still have a long ways to go quite honestly.
Why do you think that is that it is this was when the, when the, when the Democrats passed the
Epstein Transparency Act and forced the White House's hand to go along with this, this was designed
to blow up this White House, this, this Trump administration. It was designed to rock, to rock
Washington and New York and Florida, frankly, but it hasn't really done that yet in a way that it
has in say, as you know, to point out, the United Kingdom, where Prince Andrews was being arrested.
He's still under criminal investigation. Peter Manson, but essentially a former Deputy Prime Minister
just been released from interrogation still on, he's on bail. He's on, you know, he's had his
passport confiscated. He's considered a flight risk. Why is it that other countries seem to be
jumping on this? France has seen criminal sanctions. The former Prime Minister of Norway is
reportedly attempted suicide, as he's been under investigation. Why is it happening everywhere else,
but the place it was originally meant to? Yeah, honestly, I'd love to be just a, just a drink
of Kool-Aid American and say, hey, with there's, we're living in a great country, there's no corruption
here. The truth is, we do live in a great country, yet there's plenty of corruption and I think
the reason why we're not seeing any arrests is simply corruption. It's people doing favors
for folks with a lot of power and influence, meaning they have a lot of money, they make a lot of
donations, they get a lot of favors done for them, you know, out of the three million or so
Epstein documents that have been released. So far, not to mention the ones they have and have seen
that we have in, like, there are some leads in those documents. The proof of, in convictions,
I don't know, but there's at least some leads there and we haven't seen one arrest in the US. So
when I look at, you know, I voted for Trump and if there was an election tomorrow between Trump
and Kamala, I'm certainly voting for Trump again. So I like Trump, but I'm a truth loyalist, not a
Trump loyalist. So I'll call balls and strikes as I see them and it really looks as though the
Trump administration is covering for criminals. Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green,
she came out in an interview and said the reason why what Trump told her, according to her,
about why he doesn't want these files released is a lot of his friends are going to get in trouble.
And I know Pam Bondi, I'm sure you saw her congressional testimony.
Really knocked that one out of the park. You watch her not willing to give anything remotely close
to a straight answer. She's not stupid. So she's there playing stupid, which is obviously her agenda
is she's running an agenda that's something other than truth. For truth, you give straight answers
to direct questions. So unfortunately, there's people in the Trump administration seemingly
Trump himself that are covering for criminals. And you know, Pam Bondi, she's also said,
if we prosecute all the criminals, the whole system crumbles. How much credit does she give
this idea that actually some of these redacted names of men in the files are redacted because
they are considered in the eyes of law's potential victims themselves. Not victims of sexual assault,
but victims of blackmail. Do you think that holds water?
You know, I'm not a legal scholar, but I'll tell you, based in my mind, if you're a victim of
blackmail, you're not an actual victim. I mean, we live in a culture that likes to glorify
the victim mentality, which unfortunately minimizes when someone's an actual victim of a crime. But
if someone has blackmail on you, that means, well, you were in some ways a perpetrator. What do you
do wrong? Yeah. That gave them the blackmail. So in my opinion, there's, you know, you can't call
a predator a victim as they're get out of jail card. So that's, I know that's like a big picture
answer, not nuanced with specific details, but in my mind, that generally holds no water.
And how much damage do you think it's done? I mean, obviously Donald Trump spent months,
years on the campaign trail, you know, using the Epstein files as a stump speech, as a talking
point, as a stick to beat up his opponents, accusing the Democrats of cover-up. And then he does
this 180 degree hairpin turn as soon as he gets into power. Elon Musk says it's because he's in the
files. Fan Bondy says the files exist, and then they don't, and then there's a list of clients,
and then it wasn't. And then Trump settles on this idea that it's all a big hugs.
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Man, I think size will damage. It's damaged the credibility of the president and my mind.
I can tell you that. I mean, objectively, again, calling balls and strikes, that's him lying.
And he certainly got support for his campaign pledge of expose the files, go after the criminals.
And now he's obviously doing the opposite. And that's dishonest behavior.
Do you know, I think that they've been a smoking gun, though. The Biden administration,
the Democrats were there in power running the DOJ would have, would have published all this stuff
already. If they had the smoking gun that links Trump and questions his idea that there was
more than a relationship after he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, after he'd potentially
cooperated with the FBI and state prosecutors in 2006, which I think there's a lot of evidence
suggested he did. If they had that evidence that he was lying about that, surely they would have
published it years ago. I would certainly think so. You know, the only reason why they won
is if the smoking gun didn't involve enough gender diversity for their publicity. But I
will very much think so. And as you mentioned, the fact that 2006, Trump is on record having
called the Palm Beach Police Department to investigate Epstein and Maxwell. That's a good
look for Trump. I haven't seen evidence that gets me convinced that Trump himself is involved
in criminal wrongdoing. I mean, I'm open to it. I haven't seen any. To me, it just looks like he's
covering for other criminals. He says he's been vindicated. He said on Air Force One the other day,
he's the best expert to talk about Prince Andrew because he has been vindicated.
When is what a supportive space? What do you think? What are those people that
you know, question all this think when they say you hear the word vindication? I think it's
still some way to some way from that, isn't he? I don't think there'll be any true vindication
until there's actually arrests made of Epstein criminals and prosecutions. To me, there's no
vindication. I mean, it's... It isn't the statute of limitation or all this stuff is far gone.
I mean, it's not illegal to be a douchebag, right? There's no... There's so far there's not
been any evidence of actually, you know, of wider criminality. There's idea that the central
thesis of the Epstein sort of conspiracy that there was a regimented, an organized group of
rich and powerful pedophiles who Jeffrey Epstein provided clients had a client lesson
provided underage girls for. There's no evidence of that, really, yes.
Well, there's a lot of emails. I mean, like, you know, emails back and forth about,
hey, I like the torture video or I'm going to send girls... I don't know that points to
something suspicious beyond Epstein himself being a perpetrator in my mind. Would you be satisfied,
though, with, you know, sort of disgraced through the court of public opinion rather than an
actual courtroom? Would that really be justice given the... Given the time that has passed since the...
You know, some more even since Epstein died in 2019, if you believe he did, the chances of
getting prosecuted... The reason there's arrests in Britain is because it's an actual paper trial.
No one's being arrested for sexual crimes. They're being arrested for good old fashion inside
of trading allegations that they were passing in there in black and white. With a paper trail,
they were passing state information to an out, some of them outside of the state who could have
had imagined, probably did have an edge on a lot of these information he's gaming. So even
where there are arrests, they're not arrests for the central thesis of the sort of Peter plot.
Yeah. And I think the court of public opinion, it carries some degree of satisfaction with justice.
And I do say some lightly. Unfortunately, also carries like a witch hunt hysterical
mentality, because I mean, I would... I'm just making up numbers, but 99% of people mentioned
in the Epstein files probably had no criminal wrongdoing with this disgusting sexual perpetration.
Yet there's a lot of people with a witch hunt mob mentality that's hungry for justice.
They're just looking to burn witches at the stake. So I think there's...
it's probably already happened. There's probably some reputational damage going on
because this is in the court of public opinion, not the criminal justice system.
When you started out and covering this and writing about this and doing videos about this,
did you ever imagine you see the Clintons testifying before Congress? At some point,
someone's going to say, ask Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton, did you kill Epstein?
I mean, that's an remarkable, like, you know, this is a former president, a former secretary of state,
two of the most powerful people in modern American history. And they're going to...
they're going to have to answer for this stuff, right? Surely that's a reckoning of itself.
Yeah, a bit. I mean, I would imagine their answers will be just as genuine as Pint Bondi's
or so. Which, honestly, it's more entertaining that way. Does that lead closer to any real evidence
or any criminals? I'm not going to wager even a nickel on it. But Noah, to answer your question,
I never would have imagined the Clintons would allow themselves to be in this position. And I know
Congress, they've threatened the progery or whatever it is. Contempt, yeah.
Good contempt. So, you know, they're pressured. But I always looked at the Clintons, like,
people seem like they're pretty above the law. But to even get into the position where they need to
pretend, you know, go through the motions, like, oh, yeah, that's... We were doing, we were doing
philanthropy on the jet. Well, they're just lied as well. They said that Hillary Clinton said
the other day. They were like, there is no relationship. Well, you know, Glenn Maxwell was at Chelsea's
wedding. Bill was on the little leader express day and day out. There's a picture of him in a bloody hot
tub. Like, they can't lie. They can't lie under oath, can they? Well, they were doing philanthropy
in the hot tub. There he is. I'm sure they're... I would imagine the Clintons will have very carefully
constructed answers with perjury in mind. They don't want to... They know what's out there. They
want to make sure they don't say anything where they can be caught in a lie or a cover-up. I mean,
I don't look at them as the most innocent people on the planet. So I'm sure they'll be very well
prepared to put themselves in the best position for nothing to happen. Is it also one of these stories
where basically everyone can just turn a take a little bit? If you see... If you see Russia
conspiracies everywhere, you've got enough to go on that he's a Russian agent. If you want to
blame the Jews for everything you can say, he was clearly working for Mossad. Draw a line from
Maxwell to Robert Maxwell, back to Jerusalem, Tel Aviv. I mean, it's all there. He's a remarkably
connected guy. For whatever reason, he was clearly a very charismatic guy who had a whole other
people and he drew them in with the, you know, the island of the plain, the parties, the dinner parties
in New York. But at the end of the day, is it almost sort of the conspiracy theories are too
perfect in the eyes of the beholders? Because actually, if you look at it, step back. Actually,
this is just how the global elite of always works. And yes, the guy might have a polish off for
underage women and be a bit of a complete sleaze bag and a pedophile. But, you know, he's not the only
guy to operate it like this over the years. And actually, the most interesting thing about this is
he lifts a lid on a shady, kind of rotten, global elite. There's a very big world with a very
thin crust. And actually, the most interesting revelation we've got we get is actually, this is
how businesses, this is how the world's really, really rough. Yeah, you know, if that shocks anyone,
like congratulations, I hope the rock that you've been living under has been glorious. But to
me, the difference here that's got a lot of people just, you know, alert and paying attention and
not willing to move past this is the fact that this guy involved children. It's like, yes, the
world elite, they do backdoor deals and circumvent the justice system and money, power, let's start
some wars, regime change is going to work this time. Yeah, we all know that kind of stuff has
all been happening, not so much out in the open. And it's weird. We've built up a bit of tolerance
for it, almost like this sense of, Hey, Bill O'Reilly here, please check out my new interview series,
Wheel Do It Live. Each Thursday, I sit down with the most influential people in America. We're a
no spin chat, no script, anything good happened. You can find Wheel Do It Live on Bill O'Reilly.com,
YouTube or wherever you download your podcast. What am I going to do? That's just the way it works.
It's like we've just accepted that's the reality, but the fact that people, that these criminals
involved children, now that's the real difference here. And personally, like that's my main concern.
I'm a father that when I became a father, it woke something up inside of me, just how precious
children are to me, their little droplets of God that adults are entrusted to protect.
And I mean, so something very primal is woken up in people when children are involved. And
it's we're not willing to just, well, that's the way the world works. These guys were using children.
Is this a, is this a, on that point, is this a watershed man? Is this the moment everyone says,
you know what, fuck this, this is too far. Well, if anything comes out of this, and I think that
the bar for justice in the traditional sense is very high, but trust in the system, in politics,
in billionaire bankers, in tech giants, it's all there for laid out to see. Could this be a
watershed moment, a turning point, and a chance to fix the system, are I being hopelessly naive?
Well, maybe I'm just as naive then. I do think we are in a pivotal moment in history where right now,
we are essentially writing the landscape of what the future of our children,
grandchildren are going to look like. And it's going to look one of two different ways. One,
you're going to live in a world where corrupt elites, they can get away with anything.
Even the worst crime imaginable violating children, you're going to live in a world where we just
tolerate that. Or you're going to live in a world where that does not happen. We're right now,
we're setting that precedence, either we allow that, or we don't. And there's accountability to
heinous criminals in powerful positions. And again, it's not the like how the world works, it's
children, the crimes against children. So I think we are in a defining moment. And I certainly know
which way I want it to be defined, but it could be defined in a negative less optimal direction.
When you hear Donald Trump say he doesn't give a fuck that, that, that Howard Lutnik went to P.
Doe Island, you know, this guy says, that's the common secretary. He's in the cabinet. Yeah,
he may have taken his wife and kids, but in that way, it's even wider. If he knew what he was like.
The fact that he uses, well, I went there with my family as like some kind of PR and I think
that's worse. You took your chance. And especially as what he told his, his, his confirmation hearing
back last year when he said that he realized the guy was a creep and he went, well,
nothing else to do with him. And then three years later, he's, oh, yeah, but we'll, we'll pop him,
we'll, we're more up on an island down the road, you know, across the bay. We'll, we'll pop
in villages. That's crazy. There, there is a lot of suspicious things about our friend Howard
Lutnik and something that's got my attention. I'm not sure about yours, Harry, but came out last week
about how the DOJ is with held Epstein documents from right before during and immediately after 9-11.
And we know Howard Lutnik inventing conspiracy theories here, but Howard Lutnik, you know,
he had some involvement in 9-11 where his business on top of the world trade towers,
he happened to not go to work that morning and, you know, received large payouts from the airlines.
And I'm not accusing the guy, but I'm just saying like, I have these, the guys got some questions
around. On the, on the, on the, on the, on the bigger conspiracy theory or the theory of the
Epstein theory, do you think we'll ever know the truth, you know, will we ever definitively know
whether he was whacked, whether it killed himself, whether it was even dead, as some people
continue to push in your heart of hearts. Yes, you may see some public humblings and the Clintons
in the dock. Well, it's only under oath, but will there ever be that true moment of reckoning
do you think? I'll tell you what I want, what I think. What I want is yes, we know the definitive
truth. What I truly think is no, no. I think people will be speaking the actual truth amongst the
thousand other theories and perspectives. But we won't know what's actually true. I think we're
living in a time where we're going to have to be able to experience uncertainty. I don't think
we'll ever have absolute certainty over what's true and how much is true and to what extent.
I just don't think that even if, and even if every single document in the day of J claim they
ever had was published, that's still with this lingering feeling, right? Something still
has been held back. I mean, I've said all along, let's just say the FBI, a few years ago,
had some level of desire to cover up something in the Epstein case. Why would they keep evidence
that they never want to see the light of day? Why wouldn't they absolutely destroy it,
all the digital stuff, all the things? So my, I just have a hard time believing that all evidence
actually still exists. Indeed. Well, we might know, we might never know, we might know a little bit
more post Clinton's depositions later in the week. But Jamie says, fascinating to chat. I'm afraid
I think I'd probably share some of your cynicism that even if we didn't always know the truth,
we lingering questions remaining. But thank you for joining us today and come back and
and please see us soon. Harry has been a pleasure. Appreciate you having me. Take care.
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