‘We'll Never Know The TRUTH’ | JP Sears WARNS Epstein Case Exposes System Built To Protect Itself

Maybe Epstein didn't kill himself, but nonetheless YouTube censored that. So that of course like woke me up. I'd love to be just

just a drink the Kool-Aid American and say, hey, we're living a great country. There's no corruption here.

In conspiracy theorists, we've unfortunately been right about everything. I mean, we live in a

culture that likes to glorify the victim mentality. It lifts a lid on a shady kind of rotten

global elite. There's a very big world with a very thin crust. I'm not inventing conspiracy theories

here, but Howard Lutnik, you know, he had some involvement in 9-11, where his business on top of

the world trade towers. I do think we are in a pivotal moment in history.

Now, he's been over a decade exposing corruption off the powerful through comedy. As the Epstein

files are unsealed and a wave of arrests around the world has begun. His commentary looks less like

a joke and more like a definitive warning. Joining us now is hosts of Awakened With JP.

JP says, welcome to Harry Cole saves the West. You spent years mocking an untouchable elite,

but they're looking pretty touchable right now with the unsealing of the Epstein files. You've got

politicians, royals in police cells. Do you feel vindicated or in reality, is it worse than you

ever thought? Yes, to all of that, honestly. You know, I'll tell you the vindication part,

which is so not necessary, but like, yeah, there's that. The first Epstein video I made mocking

the situation was before COVID. It was very early 2020 and YouTube censored that. You know,

so that kind of wakes me up in my whole thesis so that comedy video was maybe Epstein didn't

kill himself. But nonetheless, YouTube censored that. So that, of course, like woke me up. Like,

I know where censorship goes. They never censored the truth. So I'm like, all right, well, there's

something deeper here. And now we see beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like, there was some stuff going

on that needed to be exposed. And then, you know, another side of the vindication is conspiracy

theorists. We've unfortunately been right about everything. So what's one more little checkbox

of vindication is a boost for the ego. But man, it's exciting to see what used to be in the shadows

with the criminal doings. Like, there's some light being shined on it. And granted, I think we're

still in the process, especially in the US, of powers that be protecting the criminals. I think

the rest of the world is doing much better. There's some arrests being made, but not in the US.

So we still have a long ways to go quite honestly.

Why do you think that is that it is this was when the, when the, when the Democrats passed the

Epstein Transparency Act and forced the White House's hand to go along with this, this was designed

to blow up this White House, this, this Trump administration. It was designed to rock, to rock

Washington and New York and Florida, frankly, but it hasn't really done that yet in a way that it

has in say, as you know, to point out, the United Kingdom, where Prince Andrews was being arrested.

He's still under criminal investigation. Peter Manson, but essentially a former Deputy Prime Minister

just been released from interrogation still on, he's on bail. He's on, you know, he's had his

passport confiscated. He's considered a flight risk. Why is it that other countries seem to be

jumping on this? France has seen criminal sanctions. The former Prime Minister of Norway is

reportedly attempted suicide, as he's been under investigation. Why is it happening everywhere else,

but the place it was originally meant to? Yeah, honestly, I'd love to be just a, just a drink

of Kool-Aid American and say, hey, with there's, we're living in a great country, there's no corruption

here. The truth is, we do live in a great country, yet there's plenty of corruption and I think

the reason why we're not seeing any arrests is simply corruption. It's people doing favors

for folks with a lot of power and influence, meaning they have a lot of money, they make a lot of

donations, they get a lot of favors done for them, you know, out of the three million or so

Epstein documents that have been released. So far, not to mention the ones they have and have seen

that we have in, like, there are some leads in those documents. The proof of, in convictions,

I don't know, but there's at least some leads there and we haven't seen one arrest in the US. So

when I look at, you know, I voted for Trump and if there was an election tomorrow between Trump

and Kamala, I'm certainly voting for Trump again. So I like Trump, but I'm a truth loyalist, not a

Trump loyalist. So I'll call balls and strikes as I see them and it really looks as though the

Trump administration is covering for criminals. Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green,

she came out in an interview and said the reason why what Trump told her, according to her,

about why he doesn't want these files released is a lot of his friends are going to get in trouble.

And I know Pam Bondi, I'm sure you saw her congressional testimony.

Really knocked that one out of the park. You watch her not willing to give anything remotely close

to a straight answer. She's not stupid. So she's there playing stupid, which is obviously her agenda

is she's running an agenda that's something other than truth. For truth, you give straight answers

to direct questions. So unfortunately, there's people in the Trump administration seemingly

Trump himself that are covering for criminals. And you know, Pam Bondi, she's also said,

if we prosecute all the criminals, the whole system crumbles. How much credit does she give

this idea that actually some of these redacted names of men in the files are redacted because

they are considered in the eyes of law's potential victims themselves. Not victims of sexual assault,

but victims of blackmail. Do you think that holds water?

You know, I'm not a legal scholar, but I'll tell you, based in my mind, if you're a victim of

blackmail, you're not an actual victim. I mean, we live in a culture that likes to glorify

the victim mentality, which unfortunately minimizes when someone's an actual victim of a crime. But

if someone has blackmail on you, that means, well, you were in some ways a perpetrator. What do you

do wrong? Yeah. That gave them the blackmail. So in my opinion, there's, you know, you can't call

a predator a victim as they're get out of jail card. So that's, I know that's like a big picture

answer, not nuanced with specific details, but in my mind, that generally holds no water.

And how much damage do you think it's done? I mean, obviously Donald Trump spent months,

years on the campaign trail, you know, using the Epstein files as a stump speech, as a talking

point, as a stick to beat up his opponents, accusing the Democrats of cover-up. And then he does

this 180 degree hairpin turn as soon as he gets into power. Elon Musk says it's because he's in the

files. Fan Bondy says the files exist, and then they don't, and then there's a list of clients,

and then it wasn't. And then Trump settles on this idea that it's all a big hugs.

How much damage is that done to the credibility of the president?

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Man, I think size will damage. It's damaged the credibility of the president and my mind.

I can tell you that. I mean, objectively, again, calling balls and strikes, that's him lying.

And he certainly got support for his campaign pledge of expose the files, go after the criminals.

And now he's obviously doing the opposite. And that's dishonest behavior.

Do you know, I think that they've been a smoking gun, though. The Biden administration,

the Democrats were there in power running the DOJ would have, would have published all this stuff

already. If they had the smoking gun that links Trump and questions his idea that there was

more than a relationship after he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, after he'd potentially

cooperated with the FBI and state prosecutors in 2006, which I think there's a lot of evidence

suggested he did. If they had that evidence that he was lying about that, surely they would have

published it years ago. I would certainly think so. You know, the only reason why they won

is if the smoking gun didn't involve enough gender diversity for their publicity. But I

will very much think so. And as you mentioned, the fact that 2006, Trump is on record having

called the Palm Beach Police Department to investigate Epstein and Maxwell. That's a good

look for Trump. I haven't seen evidence that gets me convinced that Trump himself is involved

in criminal wrongdoing. I mean, I'm open to it. I haven't seen any. To me, it just looks like he's

covering for other criminals. He says he's been vindicated. He said on Air Force One the other day,

he's the best expert to talk about Prince Andrew because he has been vindicated.

When is what a supportive space? What do you think? What are those people that

you know, question all this think when they say you hear the word vindication? I think it's

still some way to some way from that, isn't he? I don't think there'll be any true vindication

until there's actually arrests made of Epstein criminals and prosecutions. To me, there's no

vindication. I mean, it's... It isn't the statute of limitation or all this stuff is far gone.

I mean, it's not illegal to be a douchebag, right? There's no... There's so far there's not

been any evidence of actually, you know, of wider criminality. There's idea that the central

thesis of the Epstein sort of conspiracy that there was a regimented, an organized group of

rich and powerful pedophiles who Jeffrey Epstein provided clients had a client lesson

provided underage girls for. There's no evidence of that, really, yes.

Well, there's a lot of emails. I mean, like, you know, emails back and forth about,

hey, I like the torture video or I'm going to send girls... I don't know that points to

something suspicious beyond Epstein himself being a perpetrator in my mind. Would you be satisfied,

though, with, you know, sort of disgraced through the court of public opinion rather than an

actual courtroom? Would that really be justice given the... Given the time that has passed since the...

You know, some more even since Epstein died in 2019, if you believe he did, the chances of

getting prosecuted... The reason there's arrests in Britain is because it's an actual paper trial.

No one's being arrested for sexual crimes. They're being arrested for good old fashion inside

of trading allegations that they were passing in there in black and white. With a paper trail,

they were passing state information to an out, some of them outside of the state who could have

had imagined, probably did have an edge on a lot of these information he's gaming. So even

where there are arrests, they're not arrests for the central thesis of the sort of Peter plot.

Yeah. And I think the court of public opinion, it carries some degree of satisfaction with justice.

And I do say some lightly. Unfortunately, also carries like a witch hunt hysterical

mentality, because I mean, I would... I'm just making up numbers, but 99% of people mentioned

in the Epstein files probably had no criminal wrongdoing with this disgusting sexual perpetration.

Yet there's a lot of people with a witch hunt mob mentality that's hungry for justice.

They're just looking to burn witches at the stake. So I think there's...

it's probably already happened. There's probably some reputational damage going on

because this is in the court of public opinion, not the criminal justice system.

When you started out and covering this and writing about this and doing videos about this,

did you ever imagine you see the Clintons testifying before Congress? At some point,

someone's going to say, ask Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton, did you kill Epstein?

I mean, that's an remarkable, like, you know, this is a former president, a former secretary of state,

two of the most powerful people in modern American history. And they're going to...

they're going to have to answer for this stuff, right? Surely that's a reckoning of itself.

Yeah, a bit. I mean, I would imagine their answers will be just as genuine as Pint Bondi's

or so. Which, honestly, it's more entertaining that way. Does that lead closer to any real evidence

or any criminals? I'm not going to wager even a nickel on it. But Noah, to answer your question,

I never would have imagined the Clintons would allow themselves to be in this position. And I know

Congress, they've threatened the progery or whatever it is. Contempt, yeah.

Good contempt. So, you know, they're pressured. But I always looked at the Clintons, like,

people seem like they're pretty above the law. But to even get into the position where they need to

pretend, you know, go through the motions, like, oh, yeah, that's... We were doing, we were doing

philanthropy on the jet. Well, they're just lied as well. They said that Hillary Clinton said

the other day. They were like, there is no relationship. Well, you know, Glenn Maxwell was at Chelsea's

wedding. Bill was on the little leader express day and day out. There's a picture of him in a bloody hot

tub. Like, they can't lie. They can't lie under oath, can they? Well, they were doing philanthropy

in the hot tub. There he is. I'm sure they're... I would imagine the Clintons will have very carefully

constructed answers with perjury in mind. They don't want to... They know what's out there. They

want to make sure they don't say anything where they can be caught in a lie or a cover-up. I mean,

I don't look at them as the most innocent people on the planet. So I'm sure they'll be very well

prepared to put themselves in the best position for nothing to happen. Is it also one of these stories

where basically everyone can just turn a take a little bit? If you see... If you see Russia

conspiracies everywhere, you've got enough to go on that he's a Russian agent. If you want to

blame the Jews for everything you can say, he was clearly working for Mossad. Draw a line from

Maxwell to Robert Maxwell, back to Jerusalem, Tel Aviv. I mean, it's all there. He's a remarkably

connected guy. For whatever reason, he was clearly a very charismatic guy who had a whole other

people and he drew them in with the, you know, the island of the plain, the parties, the dinner parties

in New York. But at the end of the day, is it almost sort of the conspiracy theories are too

perfect in the eyes of the beholders? Because actually, if you look at it, step back. Actually,

this is just how the global elite of always works. And yes, the guy might have a polish off for

underage women and be a bit of a complete sleaze bag and a pedophile. But, you know, he's not the only

guy to operate it like this over the years. And actually, the most interesting thing about this is

he lifts a lid on a shady, kind of rotten, global elite. There's a very big world with a very

thin crust. And actually, the most interesting revelation we've got we get is actually, this is

how businesses, this is how the world's really, really rough. Yeah, you know, if that shocks anyone,

like congratulations, I hope the rock that you've been living under has been glorious. But to

me, the difference here that's got a lot of people just, you know, alert and paying attention and

not willing to move past this is the fact that this guy involved children. It's like, yes, the

world elite, they do backdoor deals and circumvent the justice system and money, power, let's start

some wars, regime change is going to work this time. Yeah, we all know that kind of stuff has

all been happening, not so much out in the open. And it's weird. We've built up a bit of tolerance

for it, almost like this sense of, Hey, Bill O'Reilly here, please check out my new interview series,

Wheel Do It Live. Each Thursday, I sit down with the most influential people in America. We're a

no spin chat, no script, anything good happened. You can find Wheel Do It Live on Bill O'Reilly.com,

YouTube or wherever you download your podcast. What am I going to do? That's just the way it works.

It's like we've just accepted that's the reality, but the fact that people, that these criminals

involved children, now that's the real difference here. And personally, like that's my main concern.

I'm a father that when I became a father, it woke something up inside of me, just how precious

children are to me, their little droplets of God that adults are entrusted to protect.

And I mean, so something very primal is woken up in people when children are involved. And

it's we're not willing to just, well, that's the way the world works. These guys were using children.

Is this a, is this a, on that point, is this a watershed man? Is this the moment everyone says,

you know what, fuck this, this is too far. Well, if anything comes out of this, and I think that

the bar for justice in the traditional sense is very high, but trust in the system, in politics,

in billionaire bankers, in tech giants, it's all there for laid out to see. Could this be a

watershed moment, a turning point, and a chance to fix the system, are I being hopelessly naive?

Well, maybe I'm just as naive then. I do think we are in a pivotal moment in history where right now,

we are essentially writing the landscape of what the future of our children,

grandchildren are going to look like. And it's going to look one of two different ways. One,

you're going to live in a world where corrupt elites, they can get away with anything.

Even the worst crime imaginable violating children, you're going to live in a world where we just

tolerate that. Or you're going to live in a world where that does not happen. We're right now,

we're setting that precedence, either we allow that, or we don't. And there's accountability to

heinous criminals in powerful positions. And again, it's not the like how the world works, it's

children, the crimes against children. So I think we are in a defining moment. And I certainly know

which way I want it to be defined, but it could be defined in a negative less optimal direction.

When you hear Donald Trump say he doesn't give a fuck that, that, that Howard Lutnik went to P.

Doe Island, you know, this guy says, that's the common secretary. He's in the cabinet. Yeah,

he may have taken his wife and kids, but in that way, it's even wider. If he knew what he was like.

The fact that he uses, well, I went there with my family as like some kind of PR and I think

that's worse. You took your chance. And especially as what he told his, his, his confirmation hearing

back last year when he said that he realized the guy was a creep and he went, well,

nothing else to do with him. And then three years later, he's, oh, yeah, but we'll, we'll pop him,

we'll, we're more up on an island down the road, you know, across the bay. We'll, we'll pop

in villages. That's crazy. There, there is a lot of suspicious things about our friend Howard

Lutnik and something that's got my attention. I'm not sure about yours, Harry, but came out last week

about how the DOJ is with held Epstein documents from right before during and immediately after 9-11.

And we know Howard Lutnik inventing conspiracy theories here, but Howard Lutnik, you know,

he had some involvement in 9-11 where his business on top of the world trade towers,

he happened to not go to work that morning and, you know, received large payouts from the airlines.

And I'm not accusing the guy, but I'm just saying like, I have these, the guys got some questions

around. On the, on the, on the, on the, on the bigger conspiracy theory or the theory of the

Epstein theory, do you think we'll ever know the truth, you know, will we ever definitively know

whether he was whacked, whether it killed himself, whether it was even dead, as some people

continue to push in your heart of hearts. Yes, you may see some public humblings and the Clintons

in the dock. Well, it's only under oath, but will there ever be that true moment of reckoning

do you think? I'll tell you what I want, what I think. What I want is yes, we know the definitive

truth. What I truly think is no, no. I think people will be speaking the actual truth amongst the

thousand other theories and perspectives. But we won't know what's actually true. I think we're

living in a time where we're going to have to be able to experience uncertainty. I don't think

we'll ever have absolute certainty over what's true and how much is true and to what extent.

I just don't think that even if, and even if every single document in the day of J claim they

ever had was published, that's still with this lingering feeling, right? Something still

has been held back. I mean, I've said all along, let's just say the FBI, a few years ago,

had some level of desire to cover up something in the Epstein case. Why would they keep evidence

that they never want to see the light of day? Why wouldn't they absolutely destroy it,

all the digital stuff, all the things? So my, I just have a hard time believing that all evidence

actually still exists. Indeed. Well, we might know, we might never know, we might know a little bit

more post Clinton's depositions later in the week. But Jamie says, fascinating to chat. I'm afraid

I think I'd probably share some of your cynicism that even if we didn't always know the truth,

we lingering questions remaining. But thank you for joining us today and come back and

and please see us soon. Harry has been a pleasure. Appreciate you having me. Take care.