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There's not that much independent thinking, the behaviours that I've seen there is like
sheep mentality anyway and it's highly unlikely like if someone is a wife or you know
children who are quite younger that they would go against what their with the father for example
in the house is deciding. We already screwed on, the thing is that now we are regretting using
the term multiculturalism and I feel that it's my duty to come out and say hold on, this gentleman
was bang on, we have literally colonised. So when the immigrants themselves have been told
day in and day out, multiculturalism, multiculturalism, it's okay to have your culture, let's celebrate
you, let's celebrate Diwali, don't sing, you don't need to sing hymns at school.
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great to see you again. Can I get your reaction to what we saw in Manchester last week, the green
party victory, controversial circumstances around that and the fact is that election monitors,
who are used to monitoring elections in Timpot countries around the world, have blown the whistle
and said that unprecedented levels of, quote, family voting took place in that election.
We all kind of know what family voting means but what's your response to that?
I would say this has been happening for a long time. I mean, I'm just even shocked that this
is a point of discussion because even if you don't visibly see people tell their family members who
to vote for, they would have made these decisions in the home anyway, right? Because there's not
that much independent thinking. Usually what are the behaviours that I've seen there is like sheep
mentality anyway. So I appreciate the focusses on that the behaviours that people may have seen
when people were choosing the candidate but even if they didn't show people that the truth,
they would have made those decisions anyway and it's highly unlikely like if someone is a wife
or children who are quite younger that they would go against what their, with the father,
for example, in the house is deciding. So it is quite, there is a sheep mentality, there's hardly
any independent thinking and I think, like I said, this has been going on for a long time.
The fact that our policies and procedures are so weak that no one's really done anything about
it up until now. I mean, what are we expecting? You know, so I feel that, you know, the migrants that
are coming into Britain, what they're actually good at highlighting are the weaknesses in our system.
So in a high trust society, the procedures and policies and everything that we have in place,
they work. But when you're bringing in an influx of migrants coming from low trust societies,
the way they behave, their values will be different. And so this is now a learning point for us.
If we don't sort this out now, this is going to be the norm again in the next election
all across the country, right? And if we don't have any faith in the system, then what's the point
of the system then, right? The whole point is it's supposed to be fair, all this kind of stuff,
but clearly. You say as migrants coming in, but it's, you know, some of these people have been there,
you know, for generations, second, generation, third, fourth generation members of the Muslim community
that haven't integrated. When you look at, when you look at the, sort of, the biodexions
the perfect way of looking at it, because it's sort of microcosm, as you say, of the, of the wider
country and the wider electoral process, if 12% of votes monitored by democracy volunteers
were said to have been under the influence of family voting, what about the 9,000 postal votes
that were registered in the, in the sea? Surely this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Gambling problem called 1-800-Gambling. Yeah, I mean, obviously we'll need evidence of that.
I know that the reform party are not happy and they're trying to look into things, but I think that
that could also be, you know, it could either be that genuinely people have voted for the green party
and, and whatever that means, then we all need to digest that, you know, the sentiments in the UK
have changed. People are generally fed up with the conservative party and the labor party.
They feel like both of these parties are the reason why Britain is in the state that it is. It
doesn't matter whether you vote right or left. The UK is still experiencing mass migration and,
you know, it seems like we're going backwards. So people won't change anyway.
So the reform party sadly for me is a party that I feel is very, very much confused. So I'm not
surprised that they didn't win, actually, because I feel that when I look at the green party,
you can call it propaganda or you could call it, you know, the way that they, you know,
have engaged the community, the energy behind the green party, you could feel it. Even I could feel
it. Now, I didn't know much about the green party, but I saw their adverts and people were talking
about them. They became the talk of the town and you need that. So people, people aren't going to
vote for a party they've never heard of or they don't know much about the reform party. I don't
know what they're trying to do. First, they were like a more of a far right party and then they've
tried to tip to around. I even don't know who they are. I did vote for them in the last general
election and now I am politically homeless because I feel like I don't understand what reform has
become. And then they have got a conservative MPs in their party and a lot of people are fed up
of the conservatives. Hence, that's why they're not voting for them. So when you're voting for
a reform, you don't really know what you're voting for. So I think that, you know, there may be
scams going on, there may be family voting, but I think that highlights that the procedures are
weak and also the reform party needs to learn from this. And not just just the reform party,
Labour party and the conservatives also. They're doing something wrong, please.
Isn't that the Greens tried to be all things to all people in white and the white working class
areas of Gorton and Denton? They were campaigning on the cost of living. They were campaigning on
people being unable to afford a holiday, prices, the economy. And then in more Muslim-dominated
areas, they were campaigning on Gaza on the Middle East. They were stirring up sectarian
division by putting up pictures of David Lamy and Keir Starmer meeting the Indian
president, Prime Minister Sorry. And then campaigning videos in Urdu and you know,
Gaza, sorry, Palestinian flags and Pakistani flags, you know, all over one side of the town.
And it's a more traditional campaign on the other. I mean, isn't it the fact is that there's
such a broad coalition that you can kind of, lots of different people can find something to vote for
in the Greens. Yeah, exactly. And even, you know, I've seen those videos in Urdu and it was
interesting because they were talking about how they're in the propaganda video that was in
Urdu. The Green Party specifically saw the reform party as the enemy and they said that these
people are against us. They want to deport us, you know, and these people are, you know, not the
people that you want to, this party will end up coming in if you don't vote for the Green Party.
And they were saying in the video, do not vote for Labour. It's the genocide party. They were
supporting the genocide. And of course, people are not happy with Shabbana Mehmoud with the
immigration policies that she has. She's trying to bring in because, of course, she, she herself,
Shabbana Mehmoud, once upon a time, and I believe it's still so maybe, supported Gaza, I assume she
still does at least in her heart. And she says she is a pro-Palestinian, that's my understanding.
She has said herself that her religion, you know, is very important to her and everything that she
does, although I would prefer that anyone in British politics does not bring in their religion
in politics, in British politics, they could do it at home. But so people are disappointed with
Shabbana Mehmoud. I believe that the Pakistani community is around 19% in Gordon and Denton,
and Shabbana Mehmoud does come from a Pakistani heritage background. So they have been disappointed
in someone who should have been working for them is going against and making policies that do not
benefit the Pakistani community. So, you know, people don't, people wanted Labour to get the message
that they're not happy with the Labour Party. And I myself have seen evidence of
other Muslims telling each other on social media that you know which party to vote for, you
need to vote for the Green Party. So it's not even just about family voting. This has been a
campaign by Muslims on social media, even from other parts of the country, telling the
Muslims in Gordon and Denton to vote for the Green Party, right? This is not just something that
was local. This was a national. It's a national pressure from the outside in a key seat.
How successful was it? We saw how successful it was in terms of the Green's winning, but it's
still a number of people voted for Labour. Is the Muslim community a block vote as kind of reform
suggested is, or actually a bit more nuanced? There's suggestions that actually, you know, while
older generations stuck with Labour and have traditionally had a long relationship with the
Labour Party, it was younger Muslims who were voting green. Is that fair reflection?
I would say so. I would say the tide is turning for both Labour and the Conservative Party.
There is a lot of pressure. So with what I find with the Muslim community, this is why they
sometimes do, I say sometimes, and being nice, have an issue with me,
and you get death threats and stuff as well. Well, that's nothing to laugh about. But the thing is
that they don't like anyone who says something different. There's a shoot mentality. You've got
to listen to us. It's our way or the highway. If you're not listening to us, it's kind of
you're the enemy all of a sudden, even though if you mean well. So there is that kind of cultural
pressure, and they do generally stick up for each other. This is the clan mentality that you see
in Pakistan, right? And we're seeing this playing out. Now, of course, Pakistan is only 19%.
So the question still arises, why did other people not come out to vote? And this is the problem,
I think that when you see the energy that a lot of the immigrant immigrants have, anyone from an
immigrant background, the energy is different to a lot of people who are native white British people,
for example, had the native white British people come out and maybe voted for a different party.
Of course, the results may have been different. So we do need, there is a difference in energy
levels as well and complacency. So I would say this was a test. Now, hopefully this should wake all
the native people up that if they don't want to see the green party, for example, they need to make
sure that they come out and vote next time. Otherwise, they can't complain. So we have a lot of
people who are not voting. And then what I can say about the green party is it's not just the
immigrants that are voting for them. It is native people as well. So I think that, you know,
for me, it's a very strange party. When I look at them, like even that party, I don't know what to
make of it. But yeah, it is a bit strange that they are, they want to be honest, but we'll
outs off to them. They're obviously tapping in, they're tapping in to something. You talk about
that energy amongst immigrant voters in Ireland. What do you mean by that? As in they're more,
they're more politically engaged, they're more willing to vote, they're more willing to assert
their rights than other people. Is that what you mean? Yes, exactly. So all the percentage-wise,
of course, immigrants are the minority currently. I feel, or maybe I see, maybe it's just my algorithms,
but even on social media, I see more videos from ethnic minorities encouraging each other to vote
for particular parties. For example, I don't see the same energy right now, or that is coming from
native people of this country. And the exception being the reform party and the restore Britain
party now, right? But those are seen more as extremist views, the far right views.
Well, we're still certainly as far far far far to the right of reform.
It is, but I think even that party has 100,000 members now, right?
They say so, I'll be amazed, but yeah, I think it's free. I think it's 100,000 email addresses
may have signed up, but whether they're fully paid members, I doubt that very much.
Well, that's the claim, so we'll see, obviously. So, but, you know, people, I don't know,
I don't feel the same energy, and I think there is a lot of complacency. There are a lot of native
people in the green part, for example, as well, who, and even Pears Morgan has said something
like this, where he doesn't care if the white British people become a minority. He's like,
it doesn't matter. So what if we become the minority in 100 years time? It's not the end of the
world, right? So civilisations come and go, so that's his attitude. And if he's an educated white
middle-class, upper-class man, you know, what the other people in this country who are natives,
they may feel similar ways, and that's actually quite sad. So for me, the way I see things is,
I love England. England cannot be England without English people. I feel like we need to preserve
English people and the native white people, so whether you're Scottish, Welsh, etc. We need to
preserve the percentage. We need to put this in legislation that the native white population
of this country should not be allowed to fall below a particular percentage, and that,
and we need to do this. If we don't do this, sadly, I feel like the native people in this country
will become extinct. And then you will see more sectarian politics. Do not be surprised by this result.
This result is a red flag, right? This is kind of like an indicator of what's going to come if
things don't change. But if the native people themselves, like Pears Morgan, for example, they don't
care about what the future looks like, well, that's really sad, and then it's inevitable,
isn't it? What is driving this? Well, the left called balkanisation as a dog whistle and
suggests it's, you know, it's not a thing. But it's true to say that we are seeing
communities not integrating, living side by side with different values and different systems
and sharia courts in some councils, and lots and lots and lots of people in this country who
don't speak English, even if they've been here for most of their lives, have never integrated.
Billions has been spent trying to, you know, on doomed programs, trying to force this integration.
What is driving this operation? It feels like it's going backwards in some parts of Britain.
If we keep having mass migration to more new people coming in, it's going to always feel
that way. They just cannot assimilate because there's a sheer scale of people.
Yeah, exactly. Because if we would have halted migration, then what you would have seen is
the next generation would have been those children like me who were born here, and we do speak the
language, and we are to an extent integrated and assimilated. But when you keep having more and more
people come from what we call back home, right? Then naturally, they're not necessarily going to be
able to speak English or at least in the accent. You're going to feel as if they are foreign.
They may even hold British passports, but they can't get, they can't. The accent will still be
the Pakistani or Indian or Bangalore issue, whatever accent, whichever country they come from,
right? So it's always going to feel foreign. So we have not done ourselves any favors.
Now, the only thing I could say is we, this country needs to take responsibility.
Because we have allowed people, we've translated things for people, we've provided like
translation services and interpreters and these kind of things like, so what are we expecting?
When there is no incentive or reason why people need to learn the language,
and even we've issued people passports like giving people sweets.
Where is the incentive? Our standards have been so low. The threshold of how you get a
British passport has been so low for decades. What are we expecting? The fact that we didn't,
we never attracted the high quality migrants in the first place, right? We should have attracted
the cream of the crop. Our standards should have been high. In America, they're very,
it's more difficult to get the passport or citizenship or even a visa to get into America.
So they have encouraged more the high quality people to come. We haven't done that.
We've just allowed any Tom Dick and Harry to just come in and to be fair, people aren't even
coming in on the planes now. They're just literally taking the boat, right? They're coming in on
the small boats. I mean, Germany, Denmark, France, they take a much more muscular approach,
you know, as you mentioned in the United States, but it's not just the United States.
It's other European countries on who can come in and more importantly, who they can kick out.
Counter-extremists in Germany have been deported. Denmark deports
imams, France's closed mosques, mosques, the Swiss have outlawed Minarettaurs and
and they're like, why is it, why is it that it's Britain that seems so soft on that?
I don't know and that's a question that our government needs to answer.
And, you know, of course, when immigrants are going to come here, they're going to take
advantage, especially if they're wrong and they're going to take advantage of the system or
there's a different way of looking at it. They're going to highlight the weaknesses in our system,
but these things have been happening for decades. And we've been aware of this. And sadly,
there are people, and particular parties, for example, where the Labour Party has been accused
of this, where they've been sucking up to the Muslim community for block votes, essentially.
And the Muslims know this generally, right? And they have been actively saying that the Labour
Party have essentially been using us for the votes. And we want to show them that they have
essentially there now the genocide party apparently. And therefore, we're going to now punish them
and we're going to show the power that the Muslim community has by voting for a different party.
And that party will win. The party that we say is going to win is the party that's going to win.
That is the power. That is the problem, isn't it? That's, you know, what right does one community
have to know over what we use? What divine right do they have over who's the direction of
a beautiful party? They don't have a divine right. But technically, they're not doing anything
illegal because if they're just encouraging each other to vote and they're not forcing anyone,
the encouragement is enough because when you have a clan mentality, the encouragement will be
enough. Of course, that doesn't mean that every single Muslim would have voted for the reform,
the green party, whichever party they wanted to vote for, and they wouldn't have voted for the
reform party. But that's where the value is coming. That's where the behaviour is coming,
that the immigrants are coming into this country. For example, from Pakistan, they do not behave
in the same way that the native people of this country, the native white people behave in.
And I think this has been our weakness where we've assumed that everyone is like us, right?
So the way that the native people are of this country, automatically, if someone comes from,
I don't know, Africa or Pakistan or India, wherever they're coming from, they're going to behave
exactly like us. That's not the case. Now, we've got all these people coming from all around the
world and they're all doing their own thing. And this is why a lot of native people in this
country are fed up, they're tired of this. People in this country having to learn about the migrants
and the new cultures and the new ways and the clan mentality and it's tiring and it's exhausting.
And this is why you do see a lot of people now moving more towards parties like the reform party,
et cetera. But even reform, I would say, do need to do more work, they need to learn.
I think it's, I mean, it's, I'm in tone about this. I think it's, it's, it's completely unfair to
suggest that, you know, every Muslim in Britain is, you know, sort of led by their community leaders,
their families, their mosque, you know, there are millions of Muslims in Britain who are suspect
or, you know, upbly mobile and will be voting on, you know, exactly the sign of kind of issues.
Any other person would be voting on issues, you know, like immigration, like the economy,
like the cost of living, like whether you can get a doctor's appointment or your kids can get
into the, to the right school. But it does seem to me, and I, you know, the, the left come back and
say, well, you wouldn't say this about the Jewish community who, you know, you wouldn't say that
the Jewish community votes as a block, which is, you know, there's a, there's a point to that.
But there is something about Islam and Islam in politics, I think, that is, that does have that
us versus them mentality. How much is that driven domestically? And on how much is that, as you say,
pressure from quote, back home or global issues like Gaza? I mean, how much, well, why, why are the
Greens campaigning on Gaza in a, an amount just a suburb? That's, you know, 10,000 miles away.
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There is quite complicated to be honest because I would say the Jewish, for months,
I think is the Jewish community is only a few hundred thousand in the UK. They're not as significant
as a Muslim population. So of course, a Muslim population can, although even they are in the minority,
but they're still in the millions versus the hundreds of thousands that the Jewish community are
in. Obviously, in America, it's different. It's more equal. So there are different things I play here.
One thing is, of course, the religion does come into it, but it's not the whole thing.
Religion comes in when it comes to supporting fellow Muslims, whether those are people in Gaza,
whether it's people over here. But then also what I would say about that is if we look at the
situation in Gaza in the pro-Palestine protest, it's not just Muslims. A lot of the pro-Palestine
people are native people themselves. And you'll find those people in the green party, for example,
right? There's not just something that is necessarily touched. The Muslim community has touched
people all over the world and you can see that with the protests, etc. Then there is the cultural
aspect as well in terms of, for example, Pakistan and Bangladesh and these types of tribal places,
the clan mentality and the quality of the migrant that we have ourselves let in into this country,
right? So free-for-all, remember any Tom Dakinari can come in and they have. And so they're going
to behave in the way that a clan and tribe behaves. Then the other element to this is colonialism.
Then of course, we have invited a lot of people from countries that we colonize. These countries
still see us as the colonizers. And I say us, but you know, obviously this is my heritage as well,
right? The Pakistani Indian heritage. So they see Britain and native British people as the
colonizers still. And in their mind, they still have the us versus the mentality that's going to
take an even Indians, and I'm not trying to pick on the Indians, but just for the sake of argument
and fairness, even the Indians do have this as well, right? They do have this, the people haven't
forgotten about colonialism. For them, the wounds are still raw. So when I, when each time I visited
Pakistan, the last time I went with more than 10 years ago, for them, the wounds are still a raw.
They talk about colonialism as if it happened yesterday. So and that's different to people over here,
the native British people, they don't talk about colonialism. They don't even think about it,
right? People just, they think they've assumed that all these people that are coming into this
country will be grateful for the opportunities. And we can all have multiculturalism. Yes, we can
have all, you know, we can have multiculturalism. As long as the people that are coming from
previously colonized countries don't come with any kind of hatred in their heart for the native
people. Well, isn't that the point though? It's that we can't have multiculturalism. We can have
multiracialism. You can have lots of people of different colors and different hereges and
different backgrounds, but if they don't integrate and they don't, you know, assign, you know,
some form of common cohesion, you know, common British values, common British language,
then, you know, then we're basically, we know, we're screwed.
Well, we're this, we already screwed on, we're because the thing is that now we are regretting
using the term multiculturalism, but the fact is up until now, that is the only word we've been
using. So when the immigrants themselves have been told day in and day out multiculturalism,
multiculturalism, it's okay to have your culture. Let's celebrate Eid, let's celebrate Diwali,
don't sing, you don't need to sing hymns at school. So my children don't sing hymns at school.
And I was shocked. I don't even know this doesn't happen. And I even questioned the school.
This is like a few years ago. And they're like, yeah, because we didn't want to offend people
of other faiths. So we stopped doing that years ago. I'm like, what are you talking about?
When the hell did that happen? So we have, this country has been, instead of saying that these
are our values you need to blend in, we ourselves have pushed multiculturalism to the extent that
now the people coming from an immigrant background are themselves reminding the native
British people that you are the ones who told us that multiculturalism is completely okay.
So we are giving you, you know, multiculturalism and you guys are the ones who provided the
translation services, the interpreters. So technically we haven't done anything wrong.
You know, the immigrants are the ones that are reminding everyone that you never told us that we
need to learn English or do anything like that. You never told us that we need to integrate
or stimulate, right? You allowed us to build these, these ghettos and you yourselves left
neighborhoods, right? There was the, what do you call it, white flight when people leave. So you've
done that yourself. So the immigrants are like, technically, legally, we haven't done anything wrong.
So, and this is my point now, you know, we can complain and we can complain for the next decade,
two decades, but unless we legislate things, unless we really increase our values and say we mean
business by legislating things, the immigrants that are in fluxing, they will continue to take the
mic because technically they're not doing anything illegal. When you see Permanlai Jimmy Radcliffe,
the Manchester United boss, what owner forced into an apology after suggesting that Britain
has been colonized in reverse, what's your response to that? Yeah, so I did actually
say on talk TV at the time as well that he should not have a apologise because he was bang on and
and this is a sad thing. I hate seeing native white people being bullied in their own country.
Like he was bang on and you know, and he he he was picked on by everyone. So I'm not
surprised that he doesn't want to live in this country. You know, who would want to live here?
The people who are billionaires who can who can contribute, these are the people that we need to
listen to. They know what they're talking about. Instead, we demonize these people. So I feel really
sorry for him. He was bang on and this is why I felt compelled. I need to come out as an ethnic
minority because there's less chance that I will be picked on, right? I'm someone from the Muslim
community, from the Pakistani community and I feel that it's my duty to come out and say, hold on.
This gentleman was bang on. We have literally colonized. What else is this? You know, we're
living somewhere. We have colonized, right? So it's just ridiculous. The thing is the immigrants
sadly, they feel that the only they have the right to call other people colonisers and how dare
the white native British people that we've been accusing of colonization accused us.
But the fact is there's the hypocrisy. They need to start looking in the mirror, right?
Actually, the British came and then the British left. The way we've colonized, we've got no plans
of leaving, right? We're having children here and we've got the British citizenship and
that there is no plan to leave actually all the behaviors and all the things that we're doing.
We're making sure that we get even more embedded in this country. So it's impossible for anyone
to chuck us out. And that's why Britain needs to wake up. We need to seriously wake up.
And like I said, we need to legislate the native people of this country. The population not to fall.
It needs to be legislated. We need to protect the native people. Otherwise, yeah, that's it.
All right. Well, on that note, Linda Zedney, thank you for joining us again as ever.
Please come back and see us soon. I would like to pick apart what that legislation looks like.
But and how it gets through, how it gets through the political system. But a conversation from
another day. Thank you for joining us on Harry Colesay to the West.
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