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It is so great to be with all of you today.

It is Thursday, March 26.

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My name is Annie Cyrus is producing the Shannon Joy Show today.

Thank you, Annie, and she will be keeping an eye on all of the chats.

So if you have a question or a comment, let me know, throw it up in the chat, Annie will

pick it up, and she can pop it up on my screen here, and I can answer your questions.

We have a lot of time to spend together today.

I know I told you yesterday it was going to be a full show of just you and me, mono-emano,

no guest, but I completely forgot it was on the calendar.

I have an amazing guest today that I scheduled a couple of weeks ago.

This is a gentleman that I've been wanting to talk to for months.

His name is Spike Cohen, and he is the founder of You Are The Power, an amazing organization,

grassroots, bottom up.

They are going after local governments, state governments, and the federal government,

in their efforts to try to separate parents from children.

So medical kidnap, CPS, family courts, and child trafficking in the United States of America.

It's real.

It is dangerous.

Spike and his organization have been doing enormous work in reuniting families, special

report today with Spike Cohen, and he will be in at about 12.45 pm Eastern time.

We'll spend the last 45 minutes with Spike, unbelievable, unbelievable work that he's

doing, and he's going to give us the information that every parent needs to know about how to

protect your kids from things like medical kidnap, which is becoming a very real problem.

So we'll be talking to Spike in just a minute today, but great to see all of you.

We have quite the show for you today.

Let's say hello to everyone in the live chat.

Ralph the Flying Dutchman on Rumble is the very first chatter on Rumble.

Great to see you.

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We have P-Surg 99.

Great to see you, P-Surg.

Haven't seen you on the live chat yet today.

And of course, as I mentioned, we are broadcasting live on the Twitch today.

And I see you, Re-Evolution Cafe Orchestra on Twitter.

Hello Shannon.

I've been doing gangbusters on Twitter lately, by the way.

Like my Twitter game is on.

And last night, I don't know if you saw, if you guys are following my Twitter account,

but you know, I'm one viral post after another, really racking up the impressions.

And you see the headlines for today's show.

I don't know what to, I mean, I don't know what to say.

I cannot even.

I cannot even with the headlines that we have to cover here every day on the Ask J Show.

It's Crazy Town, USA.

We live in Crazy Town, USA.

And every day, you don't think that things can get more bizarre and insane.

And then, well, we had what went down in Washington, D.C. yesterday.

Did you guys hear the one about the robot, the tranny, and the hooker?

Yeah, they made up in Washington, D.C. yesterday, and are trying to feed our kids to the robots.

I'm talking about Melanie and Bridgett and what looked like George Jetson's made, Rosie,

out of a cracker jack box, right, the humanoid that they presented to the world in front of

a massive amount of press.

And what appeared to be like the first wives club of Washington, D.C., it was all women,

very bizarre.

Yeah, I mean, they came together for a major press conference to shove the humanized robots

in our faces.

And with a straight face, with a straight face, advocate to essentially hand the babies

over to the robots, right?

We need robot teachers.

And the robot that they presented, yeah, I mean, Valley girl voice, I don't even know.

I don't even know.

I don't know what to make of this.

It's just crazy.

It's crazy.

And the only thing that we can do with this, I think, is mock it.

And I did.

I put that out on Twitter last night, and I'm like, how's this one going to land?

And yeah, that tweet is going viral.

I woke up this morning.

It was like 120,000 views on that.

And yeah, I mean, we can't take this seriously.

I mean, they are certainly dangerous.

I mean, this is the evolution.

This is the logical endpoint of radical transgenderism and moving us into grooming us towards

transhumanism.

It's insane.

These people are insane.

We should not take them seriously.

And Melanie and Bridget, I don't know, go hang out with their little robot, but we don't

need them.

Which one is the robot is the big?

I know Mark the Regan, and then I also had to drop it up.

I don't curse.

I typically try not to curse and have a trucker mouth.

But occasionally, these people are so crazy and so dangerous to our children, our families,

humans in general, human life, our freedom, our liberty that you just have to drop an

f-bomb or two.

No one wants it.

I mean, this was universally mocked all over social media.

No one really took this seriously.

And the technology isn't there.

There are very dangerous things and horrifying things that they are currently doing to our

children, namely injecting them by the tens of millions in this country with all sorts

of poisons, with the childhood schedule, the COVID shots, you name it, attacking families

through the court system, CPS, family courts, separating parents from children, indoctrinating

them in public schools.

We see all of this brutalizing and mutilating their bodies through gender affirming care,

abortion on demand and clinics across the country, organ or organ harvesting and trafficking

in organs.

I mean, the people in control of things today are incredibly dangerous to our children.

But what they did with the robot yesterday, that was a humiliation ritual.

They were mocking us.

There was nothing beneficial about that.

And it was essentially, I mean, just on display.

They're distinct for humanity, for humans.

And so they trot out this cracker jack box robot that is, frankly, ridiculous.

They're trying to normalize this.

We'll feed the children to the robots and you'll like it.

Then you'll eat the bugs and you'll live in the shipping container in a 15-minute city.

You'll know nothing and you'll be happy, right?

It's just all this push towards artificial intelligence, increasing the number of robots

and mechanization, which is not there yet.

But it is all just demoralizing and yeah, it's just crazy.

I really don't know what to say about this.

So that's why we mock it.

I do think this is proof that transgendarism was always the gateway drug for transhumanism.

And there certainly was nothing human about that hunk of junk.

They called it a humanoid robot, didn't look human at all.

But this is the type of stuff that they are doing that should really worry people.

Maria Z and Vigilant Fox pushed this out yesterday.

This is the stuff that they are working on that is incredibly dangerous to humanity.

This is disturbing billionaire-backed scientists are now openly chasing one of the most disgusting

transhumanist ideas yet ready for this, growing headless humans to harvest organs and presenting

this as ethical and scientific progress.

This is from R3 bio and they say that these gene-edited organ sacs could replace animal

testing and eventually provide blood tissue and organs for humans when their bodies fail.

One backer even said this and this is insane, this quote.

If we can create nonsensitient, headless bodyoid for human beings, that would be a great

source of organs.

This was reported by Maria Z on Z media and pushed out by Vigilant Fox.

I mean, this is the insane stuff that they seek to shove down our throats.

And it is no wonder that Donald Trump's approval ratings among other reasons are absolutely

plummeting.

And you have to wonder if Donald and Melanie are doing everything they can to tank the midterm

elections because I mean, between the economy, the war, it is one massively unpopular move after

another and the circus side show that they presented yesterday on Capitol Hill was yet another

example.

Mr. Worthless, Eater has this to say, these robots won't be so cute or human when they are

carrying auto rifles and hunting us down along with kill drones flying over our heads.

And I'll guarantee that that's the plan.

Trump's support is absolutely going down the toilet.

Mark the Regan on the live chat on rumble.

Hey, revolution cafe.

Fight the power, Shannon.

You are love and mother courage.

Well, thank you.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate that comment on the Twitter.

If you are watching on sub stack, we want to hear from you as well.

Another quick show, note tomorrow, the Astray show live on Friday, we're going to do a live

show at the regular time from the joy virtual studio right here.

I'm going to be self producing and welcoming Peter shift into the joy virtual studio tomorrow

for a very, very important discussion about what is going down with the economy, gold and

silver, the markets, the oil shortage, oil prices skyrocketing inflation.

And what he said yesterday would be one of the worst financial collapses we have seen,

even worse than the financial collapse of 2008.

We need to hear from Peter shift tomorrow.

And so that's why I'm doing a special live show 12 PM Eastern time.

We start to make sure that you mark your calendars and show up tomorrow.

That is going to be a very important show.

My poll numbers are plummeting on purpose.

I push this out on the Twitter Trojan Trump is doing a bang up job for the democratic wing

of his uniparty.

If you've been watching the Astray show for the past 12 years, you know that about 10 years

ago, I predicted this when Donald Trump came down the escalator and announced his bid

for the Republican nomination for the presidency of the United States of America, I told my audience

that he is a New York City liberal Democrat, a predator, and he always will be.

He is a Trojan horse.

His agenda will be to come in and destroy the Republican party.

And it appears our nation as well because we've given him two terms.

And so this is absolutely coming to fruition.

And these polls, this is from interactive polls.

I have flipped a total of 12 state legislative seats in special elections in 2000 between

2025 and 26 Texas, Iowa, Arkansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Florida, Georgia, New Hampshire,

and another one in Mississippi, just in the past six to eight months.

We have a Fox News poll.

This was pushed out by Publius on the tweet yesterday from March 20th to 23rd, 2026.

Independence approval of President Trump is now plummeted to 25%, 75% of independence

now disapprove of the job that Donald Trump is doing.

And as we know, as independence go, so goes elections in America, that is if we even have

midterm elections, because we all know that Donald Trump could absolutely pull a stunt,

declare an emergency because of energy or World War III or illegal immigration or another

scam demic.

You name it.

We don't know what it's going to be, but can't you see him declaring an emergency and

canceling the elections in 2026?

I could see it, not saying it's going to happen, but I absolutely can see that happening.

Great to see you.

We're going to have Spike Cone on in just a minute.

Silver country is with us on the live chat.

Mark the Regan is with us, Mr. Worthless eater, I see you.

Bill Benz is with us.

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Hello.

We're watching on rumble on Twitter, on Facebook, on Substack.

All of that engagement, whether it's commenting or following the show, if you're on Substack,

subscribing to my Substack page and also becoming a paid subscriber, that is all very helpful

in growing the SJ show organically.

And we have had exponential organic growth.

I know I mentioned my Twitter game, we're growing in every platform that we're pushing

this show out.

And as you guys know, the Shannon Joy show is completely independent, so I don't have

financial backers.

I'm not owned by a corporation.

I'm not ceded by a political action group.

I'm not aligned with any political parties.

I'm completely independent, not left, not right, not Democrat, not Republican.

Completely independent, and despite that, despite not being platformed, being thrown off

of platforms, being suppressed by algorithms, we've been able to wiggle out.

And I was just going over, these are just the Twitter numbers.

I was mentioning to Annie this morning, as we were prepping for the show, just to put

this in perspective, the Shannon Joy show or the Shannon Joy channel on Twitter.

We were doing in March of 2025, so just a year ago, we were doing about 208,486 impressions

per month.

And that was a low month, to be honest.

They were a little higher.

I was averaging on Twitter in 2025, about 500,000 impressions.

March of this year, we haven't even, we're five days away from closing out the month in

March.

6,770,174 impressions on Twitter.

And one of my videos that I pushed out is upwards, I mean, we're probably going to hit 2 million

views today.

That was a video, I'm pushing clips out from my show on the tweet.

And that did almost 200, I'm sorry, 2 million views.

So somehow, independently, organically, we are able to grow this show.

And I'm so thankful to all of you, every one of you watching on every one of these platforms,

you are so valuable, your comments and your feedback and your questions are absolutely critical.

And I'm so thankful for all of you.

So I appreciate all of you and helping us grow.

And we are going to continue to grow as well.

Having of the techno fascists, I mean, these guys, megalomaniac control freak insane people

running things.

They're just insane people.

Donald Trump now is tapping Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison and playing for Tech Advisory

Council, exclude Musk and Sam Altman.

So this is again, Donald Trump handing, you can see Trump handing his administration,

his government, our government, to unelected techno fascists.

And he is spreading the wealth around for sure.

This is why, another reason why his approval numbers are absolutely tanking.

And you have to imagine that he's doing this on purpose.

There really is, I mean, there really is no other explanation.

I predicted, you know, I have been saying that MAGA, QAnon and even Donald Trump himself

have been one of the largest siop, a siop's ever deployed on the American people.

I think Trump was designed to come in and literally break apart everything.

Trump's arrangement syndrome existed on both the right and the left, right?

The people who despised him lost their minds over it.

The people who worship him have lost their minds over that, right?

The entire country, this polarizing figure, just breaking ourselves against him and accepting

more and more tyranny, you know, as a result of the focus that we're placing on this one

central character, it's truly, truly breathtaking to behold.

And yes, he is here.

I think he is here now in this second term to put the final nail in the coffin of the

United States of America as we know it.

He has been obliterating our constitution and our constitutional republic on the heels

of Biden's presidency, where he obliterated it in response to what Donald Trump did in

the first four years of his presidency.

So it's just one pummeling after another against our nation, our free market, our citizens,

our freedom, our bill of rights, you name it.

It's always justified by the reaction to the other party.

This is why the two party political system needs to go.

It's over.

It's over.

The illusion of democracy and illusion of our elections, false choices every time.

And it seems as if more and more people are catching up on that, which is actually a really,

really good thing.

And hopefully people will wake up to this.

I'm glad that everyone was absolutely mocking, mocking Melanie and Bridget and their robot

friend because that's the way we need to look at this.

And we have to begin to activate from the bottom up.

There are no answers in Washington, DC that is becoming patently clear.

If we are to secure our liberty and our freedom for our children, in the next five years

is they attack everything that we hold dear and everything that we believe in as a nation,

our founding principles and our founding documents.

If we don't push back, then they will destroy our republic and they will destroy liberty

in the process.

And so all of our activation has to be from the outside in.

It has to be from the bottom up.

Your local organizations, your local organizing, your state legislatures, all hands on deck

outside of Washington, DC.

And we're seeing signs of this.

This is one of the reasons that I'm really thrilled to be interviewing Spike Cohen today,

who is the founder and president of UR, the power, which is a grassroots organization

helps protect people against abuses from their governments.

And I'm sure he's going to have a lot to say about local organization.

We're also going to welcome Levi Leatherberry, who is organizing local.

He's locally, he is the head of a major organization that helps people to connect and grow grassroots

organizations to protect liberty, our constitution and our founding principles.

So we're going to be speaking to a lot of experts and activators across the country in

coming months to show you exactly how you can begin to fight back from the bottom up.

We absolutely need to organize because this is just gone.

This is off the rails.

We're in Crazy Town, USA.

And I really want, I want to have Chris Martinson on.

He's been on before on the Astray show.

He's wicked smart.

He's an ideas man, financial expert.

But I would love, love to figure out a way to organize a tax revolt.

I think we have to strike.

I think we have to organize in this country and strike and figure out a way to hit them

where it hurts and starve the beast.

And I don't know how to do that.

People have tried to do that.

It never works.

Most of them end up in prison and we don't want that.

But I do think that there's strength and numbers.

And the organ, this is why I talk about organizing.

So often this is why organizing is so incredibly important.

There has to be a safe and legal way for millions of Americans to come together.

Maybe it starts with petitioning and sending those petitions to legislators in DC or state

legislators, alerting them to our actions, doing it in a very transparent way.

I found another great organization.

Oh, I'm forgetting the name of it.

But I'll find it for you guys.

Another organization.

It's a fellow out in California.

And I can't remember his name.

But he is advocating full transparent revolt, like peaceful, civil disobedience, peaceful

revolt, but full transparency so that they know his point is that we're surveilled.

Everything that we do is surveilled at this point.

It's game over.

Okay.

With the control they have over our devices, our machines, the internet, there is, it's

very difficult to do anything in like a secret way.

So secret plans aren't going to work for us.

But if we organize in a very transparent way through petitioning, and I'm going to start

really looking into petitioning as well, I think that we can achieve a lot.

And so we'll talk with Spike about that today on the show.

We'll talk with Levi Leatherberry about that as well.

He's going to be in next week.

And then I will find the name of that fellow that I just mentioned in the break.

And we can talk.

But I mean, enough is enough, enough is enough.

Melanie Bridget and the robot, that did it for me.

That's ridiculous.

It looks like muppets, muppets and puppets with crackerjack box robots that look like

something out of George Juttsons.

I mean, it's absurd, it's ridiculous, these people are crazy.

And the people in real power are sadistic, sociopathic lunatics.

I'm utterly convinced.

They have absolutely no respect for human life.

That is becoming patently clear.

When they want to hand our children over to robots, and they say this with a straight

face.

And they put on that absolutely ridiculous circus side show to mock us.

That's what they were doing.

That was the point of Melanie and Bridget and their little robot and all of the women.

Right?

Notice there were no men there.

That's how ridiculous and absurd that was.

That was on purpose.

They did that to humiliate us.

They did it to mock us.

And to basically send the signal that you have no power.

We know, you know, we know, you know, you know, we all know that it's over.

Right?

We will use your bodies, we will break your bodies, we will send you into a war machine

in Iran, we'll institute the draft, we'll force you to inject yourself and your children

with poisons, we'll lock you down, we'll cripple your economy, we'll pull the rug out

from you, time and time again, and you're just going to lay down and take it.

And we're going to prop up a tranny, a robot, and a hooker to tell you all about it.

And we're going to broadcast it all over.

And that's what we think of you.

Citizens of the United States of America, that's what that was.

Make no mistake.

It's an anti-human agenda.

And we need to mock it, we need to resist it, and we need to refuse to comply with it.

And the only answer is organization, massive grassroots bottom-up organization from every

corner of this beautiful country.

And we need to overwhelm Washington, DC.

There are way more of us than there are of them.

We surround them.

We're just divided.

We're just divided.

We need to unite.

That's why the other central point here that I hammer over and over and over and over

and over is that we have to break out of the two-party paradigm.

Democrats and Republicans work together.

They are on the same team.

But more and more people are waking up to this.

I don't have the video here.

I should have linked it in the show notes of the Astray Show today.

DC Graham went to his home state to give a speech about Trump.

And I kid you not the audience, booed him for six full minutes.

And he stood up, amidst all of the booze, and they were so loud, it was one of the best

videos I've ever watched.

He's talking about how great Trump is in their booing.

He's talking about how much he loves Trump in their booing.

He's talking about how they have to elect all of the Trump endorsed candidates in the midterms

and they're just like relentlessly booing this guy.

It was delicious.

More of that, please.

We need it.

Then woman, Thomas Massey and Ron Paul should get us organized.

I'm going to bring anyone and everyone I can into the Joy virtual studio and interview

them.

Anyone who is organizing from the bottom up, I mean, this is it, guys.

We're going to have to set up our own supply lines.

We're going to have to make sure the electricity is on in our, in our own communities.

We're going to have to make sure people get fed in our own communities.

I mean, because they are literally going to pull the rug out from underneath us.

And this is, as you guys know, and I have pushed out for many, many, many months now.

This is a controlled demolition of our economy.

They are doing this on purpose.

And so now that the numbers are, our, our tanking for Trump, though, oh, I see you on

X.

Oh, we have some, we have some commenters on X.

If you have a comment or question on sub stack or Twitter or Facebook, make sure you pop

it in the chat box and Annie will keep an eye on that and show, let me know.

But this is from squints on the Twitter.

Trump is Zelensky 2.0.

They were both actors, yeah.

Donald Trump was, and is, in the WWF, like the Worldwide Wrestling Federation, or maybe

it's WWE, I don't remember.

But he, he was like a character, I mean, he is in the WWF Hall of Fame.

He's a professional wrestler.

And a reality TV actor.

And my opinion is that Trump was acquired as an asset for the bad guys, probably around

the time.

It was in the 1990s when he went completely bankrupt, lost all of his money and was a total

failure.

And I believe it was Deutsche Bank and George Soros and a few others who bailed him out.

So they came in, I think that's when Trump became acquired as an asset.

And I think he's an actor.

I think he's a political actor, a reality TV show actor.

And he was playing the stick of the Republican for the past 10 years.

But really his mission is to just come in and break everything and wreck everything.

And if you missed my show yesterday, Patrick Wood, who is the founder of Tecnocracy.News,

was in with me, Yastra, I don't know if you guys missed that show.

But go back to Yastra Day show and watch my interview with Patrick.

He blew my mind with what Trump apparently independently with the blessing of his backers

or his puppet masters or whoever is pulling the strings on Trump.

His initiative to become essentially the king of Gaza, right, a technique, a technocratic

state in the Middle East is unbelievable.

I mean, there is an infrastructure built, like a military apparatus, a financial apparatus,

a governing board that Trump appoints for life and rules over.

And when you begin to understand, when you see what he's doing to our economy, the chaos

and all of the pain that he's about to inflict on we, the people of the United States of

America.

And you're like, why would he do this to his own country?

Can you consider the fact that he could be planning and angling on cratering the United

States of America and then high-telling it off to the new power center, which Patrick

Wood said is going to be the Middle East.

And Gaza is going to be a central hub for that power center.

I don't know if he's right about this, but the writing is kind of on the wall that they

would like to do this or achieve this.

The technocrats would like to build up these techniques.

These are essentially fascistic, dictatorial, technocratic police states where there are

no human rights, no civil rights, no governing documents, no governments to speak of.

It's all essentially ruled by the elite.

And they surveil everything.

All of your buying and selling is surveilled.

Your movements are controlled in these technocrats and you probably can't get out when

you're in.

Ian Davis has written a lot about that and I'm looking to get him on the show.

They have technocrats all over the world.

Gaza is just going to be, I think, the major prototype.

And it is going to be, I mean, Trump and his family are establishing themselves as the

rulers.

Really crazy, really crazy.

So go back and watch that video from yesterday with Patrick Wood.

It was a doozy next week, by the way, we have Dr. Peter McCullough is going to be back

on the Astray show on Monday.

Don't miss that among other great guests.

And yeah, we're just going to continue to call them out.

Hey, on subset, great to see you, Michael gone.

Yeah, you liked my tweet, right?

Twitter tweet, listen, you got to mock these people.

They're crazy.

They're crazy.

And they're walking us through humiliation rituals and we shouldn't, we shouldn't accept

it.

We just shouldn't accept it.

So we're not going to, um, let's do this.

Let's go take a break because I see, I see that we have spike Cohen in the joy virtual

studio.

I'm super, super pumped to talk to spike about, about his work and the news of the

day.

Again, what is the theme today, bottom up, inside out, everything but Washington, DC.

We need to organize from every corner of this beautiful country, the United States of America

locally and at the grassroots level.

And we need to push these bastards back because they've overstepped.

Our federal government is out of control.

Both political parties are out of control.

And they are proving to be hostile and dangerous to our children and our freedoms.

And so spike has begun to build what I think is, what I think will be a very important

organization, uh, doing exactly what we've been talking about here on the Shannon Joy

Show for the past 10 to 12 years, um, you know, we've, we've been saying over and over

and over till I am blue in the face that the answers are not going to come from a savior,

God, King, in Washington, DC, uh, the answers are only going to come from us.

And all we really have to do is say, no, we have to refuse to comply and we have to begin

to work from the bottom up to push back.

And we're going to talk about that in detail today with spike Cohen.

So we're going to take a quick break.

And when we come back, we're going to welcome into the Joy virtual studio for the very first

time, um, a very special guest.

He is spike Cohen, the founder of you are the power, great name for an organization.

And he is helping so many families across the country reunite, he's protecting children.

And we're going to discuss all of these items with him in just a moment right here on the

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Welcome back everyone to the Shannon Joy Show.

So glad to welcome into the Joy Virtual Studio for the very first time.

Spike Cohen, he is an amazing organizer.

He is doing the work.

He's a Libertarian activist, podcaster, and he's the founder and president of UR, The Power.

It's a nonprofit that fights government overreach with a major focus on family court corruption,

CPS abuse, and medical kidnapping cases, which we have covered on this show.

At least a dozen of them in the past couple years.

You can follow Spike on Twitter.

His handle is at Real Spike Cohen.

His Facebook is literally Spike Cohen and his website is UR The Power.net.

Amazing work.

You are accomplishing so much Spike.

Welcome to the Shannon Joy Show.

I'm glad you're with us.

I can't.

I'm so excited to be on it.

We're finally having me on.

Thank you, Shannon, for having me.

You are one of those.

I have a whole list of people that I think to myself on a regular basis.

You have got to have this person in on the show, Shannon.

And I'm just so busy.

The news is like a fire hose in my face every day.

And I'm just like, you know, just staying afloat is hard enough.

And so I'm so glad that we were able to to finally connect because you need to be heard

that your organization needs to go mainstream.

People need to know what you're doing because you are accomplishing so much.

Everything that I talk about, bottom up inside out organization, no more fetal position,

no more head in the sand, no more waiting for a white knight on a horse to ride into

Washington, DC and save us.

Do something.

We need to do something and you are doing that in the work.

So hats off to you.

Why don't I hand it over to you right now just to introduce yourself to the audience since

this is your first time and tell them about what you're doing.

Yeah.

Well, first of all, if we hadn't named the organization, you were the power.

I think no more fetal position would have been a good backup name for that.

So yeah, my name is Spike Cohen.

I am the founder and president of you were the power and what we do at you were the powers.

We protect people against abuse by local and state level government officials, policies

and agencies.

And we have been wildly successful in the last three years, shortly after we started.

We have taken on over a thousand causes.

We have lost once.

Wow.

We have just been we have been on an absolute tear.

We've been scaling up rapidly.

And we've gone from pretty much just taking on like very local city councils, county councils.

We're still doing this, but we were exclusively doing that.

And now we're successfully getting legislation passed and killing bad legislation at the

state level.

And I wouldn't be surprised if fairly soon we'll be doing things at the federal level.

We've just been expanding rapidly.

This is amazing.

I don't you give us a couple examples of when you when you talk about taking on causes,

Spike and his organization go in and when there's a medical kidnap situation, a CPS abduction,

a family court judge gone rogue going after a mom separating children from their parents

for a whole host of reasons, Spike and his organization go in, surround this family and

help them to reunite that family and defeat whatever efforts are at hand to separate

the family.

And I first became aware of Spike in one of the the families that I hosted on my show.

I mean, it's tragic.

I have these I have these shows every couple of months of a child being ripped out of, you

know, the arms of a mother and separated.

I mean, it's absolutely horrifying.

And so when you talk about the cases that you take up.

I mean, you are actually helping these families.

I'd love for you to give us just a couple of examples of what you guys have been able

to accomplish.

And then we'll talk about the legislation that you are pushing forward because it's critical.

It's amazing.

But let's start there with some of the cases that you guys have, have, you know, taken

on.

Yeah.

So we've dealt with and I could name any of the families, the Hernandez family, the

Savley family, the Clark family, the Tim's family, the Sullivan family and many others

that we've successfully reunited.

Their stories are so similar in that their child had some kind of a health condition.

They either had Ellers, Dan Lose or they had some kind of other connective tissue or

bone issue.

They may have had complications during birth, all different types of things.

But all of any injuries or issues that they're suffering from are only and completely explained

by a medical issue.

There's no sign of trauma or anything indicating abuse or anything like that.

And yet they not only get accused of abuse, but they and their children are railroaded

through the foster care and family court system.

The actual medical evidence that shows they didn't do anything wrong isn't allowed to be

presented in family court.

They have a this criminal charge that's kind of hovering over them, but usually doesn't

actually ever get indicted, but the bond conditions of it are used to keep the parents from

being able to communicate with each other or live together.

Wow.

So very often people are not only losing their children, all of their children, but they're

losing their spouse as well, all of this indefinitely.

And this despite the fact that there's zero evidence for this.

Now, as insane as that sounds, it's happening at scale across the country to we believe thousands

of families a year, certainly in the hundreds.

And so when we first kind of found out about the Hernandez family was the first one that

came on our radar, you know, we were very concerned about taking it on.

We did not want to inadvertently help an abuser.

And so my team that we have a professional vetting team that vets all of our causes, which

is a big part of why we win.

We don't just jump on causes.

We make sure they're legit.

We spent hundreds of hours vetting it.

And the more we found out the worse it was.

So we went forward with their cause.

We did our typical call to action.

We put out social media posts about what the family was going through, focusing on the

family, not the policy, but the family and the individuals who were doing this to the

family within government.

We take them to a page on our site that gives a very easy way for people with just a few

clicks to send out emails to all the officials involved telling them to back off and do the

right thing.

We even provide the wording.

They just got to add their name at the bottom.

They can change the wording if they want, but we make it where in less time than it took

me to just explain that.

They just contacted everyone involved in telling them to back off, which has been very successful.

And then we just wait for the to win, but what happened was as we're winning with the

Hernandez family, which was that first family, the next thing that happened is a bunch of

other families came out of the woodwork with the exact same story.

My child is sick.

They refuse to acknowledge it.

They're calling the abuser.

I'm facing decades in prison.

I'm never going to see my kids again.

I'm already tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

They wouldn't even let me access my kid medical records, same thing over and over again.

And then we found out why under Title 4E of the Social Security Act, the federal government

is paying state child protective services and the entire system, not just the agencies,

but the family courts, the foster care facilities, the visitation centers, the so-called child abuse

pediatrics, wings and these children's hospitals.

Everyone involved in the, we'll call it the child protection industrial complex.

They're all being paid based on how many parents are accused of abuse, how many children

are taken from their parents, if they're put in foster care, how long they're put in

foster care.

So they go after the youngest kids possible.

They want to have them in there as long as they possibly can, whether or not the children

end up being placed permanently for adoption.

And the way they get the most money is that the child ends up having a chronic health condition,

a lifelong health condition.

So that creates the perverse funding incentive structure so that an actual medical doctor

is looking at a child who obviously has osteogenesis imperfecta, or neonatal rickets,

or LRs.

or some other potentially life-threatening illness without treatment.

And instead of saying, let's get this child the treatment they need, instead that doctor

thinks cha-ching, because that's the maximum amount of money that they can get.

So we've been fighting that tooth and nail reuniting families, but that is, that's sort

of the head of this monster, is Title 4E.

And you mentioned that you believe this is happening systematically across the United

States of America and every state because of that funding that is tethered to the federal

government.

And most definitely hundreds of parents and children, but perhaps thousands, which I would

believe, given the fact that gag orders are often put in place, the parents are frightened

into submission, they are, you know, essentially drawn into the system and are terrified of losing

their other children, terrified of other types of retaliatory actions from these courts.

I mean, this is insane.

One of the cases that I covered spike focused on cancer care, childhood, you know, leukemia

and, you know, cancers.

I mean, this was one of the areas where we've seen the most control, essentially, you know,

I had an interview a couple months ago with a family whose child was threatened with

abduction because they were not, not complying with the standard of care protocol for cancer,

because they were supplementing with nutraceuticals with vitamin C protocols and with other natural

and generic drugs to mitigate the impact of the chemotherapy and the damaging impact

of the radiation, that type of thing.

And, you know, essentially the way the law is written, you tell me if I'm wrong, if

your child is diagnosed with cancer, you basically lose custody of your child throughout

the course of treatment, if you do not follow the doctor's treatment to a T and assert

any type of independence in trying to find a second opinion or another protocol, they'll

take your child.

I mean, you will lose your child and you will lose your child forever, like they will

adopt them out.

Am I overstating that or have you seen situations like that?

You're, oh, there are definitely situations like that.

It's different from state to state how it's actually written in law in practice.

It's almost always as you've stated.

If they're, and I'd even go beyond the cancer and the, um, and, you know, fatal, potentially

fatal illnesses, serious illnesses, very often in practice, not, not how it's written,

but in practice, if a doctor makes a recommendation for you and your child that they believe is a

life and death issue and you get a second opinion and then go with that second or third

opinion, or if like you said, you supplement with something else, that's very often a good

way for you to lose your kids or now having a CPS case being built against you and you

fighting to keep your kids.

Um, I'll, I'll give you an even more crazy example than that because there might be people

watching this saying, well, yeah, but, you know, with cancer, you, you know, it could

be a life for death thing or something like that.

I would still disagree and say that a parent should be able to make decisions for, for

their child's care, especially if they are actually seeking treatment.

It's not like they're saying, oh, no, I'm not going to do anything.

They are still seeking treatment.

Um, and I, I would argue that, you know, 999 times out of 1,000, the parent cares more

than the doctor.

Yes.

And it's one we're still working on a, a lady in, um, in Texas, uh, with her son, with

her baby son, um, the doctor recommended, and I don't remember the name of the drug.

He had some kind of a mild infection.

And the doctor recommended an antibiotic that when she looked it up on her phone, it had

a black box warning, and it explains it, which means that this can kill you.

And it explicitly said, do not ever give to a child under the age of, I forget how

over many years, but he was literally like weak sold, um, so there was no, or months

old.

And so there was no reason to give it to him.

She went and got a second opinion.

And that the other doctor said, yeah, of course, we'd never give that to, uh, to, uh, a child.

And so they put him on another antibiotic and he was doing well.

The first doctor sent the police and CPS after him.

The child was taken, the, the boy was taken from her and, uh, and placed on an IV of the

drug.

He wanted and almost died.

Oh, my words had all sorts of issues.

Thankfully, they backed off now just all of that information.

The fact that the doctor should have never prescribed that, like legally should have never

prescribed that.

The fact that the child almost died when he was put on it.

The fact that she was getting treatment, you would think that someone would look at

that and automatically say, uh, yeah, you get your kid back and sorry about that.

And I think we might actually need to prosecute this doctor instead, we're still fighting

that.

She's still fighting to get her, her son back after that.

Oh, my word.

I'll help you with that one.

If you, you know, if you want to, if you want to have, you know, she wants to come on

the show or we want to push that out, that's absolutely, that's horrifying.

Yeah.

It's absolutely horrifying.

And you mentioned the state of Texas, uh, many in conservative media or many conservatives

or publicans out there think that bad things only happen in Democrat states.

So if you live in, in New York, California, they'll, they'll take your children.

Is it, is it better for, you know, um, you know, children and families in some of these

red states?

Or is this a, an equal opportunity, you know, type of situation in terms of, of attacking

and abusing the family structure in both red and blue states?

This is a 50 state problem.

It is neither a red problem nor a blue problem.

It is a green problem.

It is a, the federal government.

This is how they get the bulk of their funding.

And then some states, and this doesn't really seem to matter whether they're red or blue,

which is which way they went on funding.

Some states then harmonize their state level funding to title for e or something similar

to that.

So that now it's pretty much, if you even want to keep the lights on, you need to have

a certain number of active abuse, new active abuse cases every month, every quarter,

every year.

So we've heard from, uh, former agents in, in different, uh, CPS agencies who were

told, we were told you have to have a certain number.

You need to find a certain number of new abuse children every month, or you have to find

a new job, um, and it's, it's a quota system.

And this is what happens.

I mean, we're dealing with another case, uh, we're just in the beginning of it where, um,

police departments across the country are knowingly, wrongfully arresting people for

DUI, even though they blew a 0.0 on the breathalyzer.

And then they let them go without charges because that gets them a check mark for an arrest

and that gets them federal funding.

And so here's what happens.

Federal and state funding that is tied to a specific metric leads to quota systems and

those quota systems, it is easier to just frame someone than it is to actually investigate

a case.

So not only do you end up with a bunch of innocent people being real rotor for something

they did not do, but you end up with more people that actually did do it, getting away

with it as a direct result of it not being investigated.

And that helps these agencies because they're able to turn around to the public and to the

legislators who fund them and say, even with all of these additional children we've taken

from abuse of families, we're seeing more abuse than ever before.

So we need even more money.

So it actually, again, this is how perverse incentives cause perverse outcomes.

It actually creates a situation whereby it's best for them to only go after or mostly

or even just primarily go after innocent people and allow the actual problem to get worse.

This is why we try not to go to government for solutions to our problems is because they

remove all the accountability and other types of negative feedback that would lead them

to have to do better if it were being done voluntarily through the market.

And so yeah, this is, it's not a Republican problem.

It's not a Democrat problem.

This is a perverse incentive problem.

It's not even specific politicians.

You could take out, you could take all of the existing politicians and remove them and all

of the existing CPS agents and everyone in the agencies and remove them and put in all

new people.

And if these same structures were in place, give it a few years and be right back to what

it is right now.

Unbelievable.

This is a third rail.

This is something that Republican and Democrat politicians will not talk about.

It's very difficult to get them to discuss this type of perverse funding that Spike is

explaining here.

And you know, you've gone as far as to call this, I think correctly, state-sponsored child

trafficking.

This is child trafficking.

Yep.

Yep.

It is.

And I've had people say, well, are you sure you want to call it that?

Okay.

Child trafficking is the taking of a child from an innocent family and giving to another

family or another situation for a monetary incentive.

And also these things are being done illegally.

This is being done under the color of law.

But if you really break down what they're doing, it almost always violates their actual

internal policies, but their internal policies are what they show to the public.

But that's not actually how things are going.

Now I do, I would be remiss if I didn't start shifting to the successes that we've had.

As I said, we've already reunited multiple families across the country, Georgia, Florida,

Indiana, Colorado, one in Texas, we're working on one in Massachusetts.

I always went in these moments for get all the states, but we've reunited, like we're

at dozens of families at this point that we've reunited and we're working with many more

to reunite them as well.

But what we realize is there are policies at the state level and ultimately at the federal

level with Title III.

But for now, there's plenty of, plenty of meat to chew on at the state level in terms

of bad policies.

So for example, in most states, if you are accused, or a good number of states, if you are

accused of abusing your children, you now lose access to your children's medical records

because they're now a word of the state.

So if your child has been, if you've been accused of abusing your kid and the one thing

you need to be able to prove that you didn't do it, you can't get access to, that's, you

know, we talk about innocent, until proven guilty.

That's not even guilty until proven innocent, that's guilty and not allowed to prove that

you're innocent.

Wow.

Right.

Right.

And that's, that's what this is.

So another bad policy is that in some states, like Georgia previously, the, the doctors

that accuse you of abuse are not required to actually review your child's medical records

and just give an opinion.

And so, yeah, I know, these are all things that are very nuts.

Now, the silver lining of that is that when we expose it to legislators, they very quickly

glum onto the idea of ending this, like it just, it's a no brainer.

So thanks to, we actually, in Georgia, we were so successful that the head of their CPS

agency, Candace Brose, is now one of our greatest allies in the state.

She saw that we legitimately wanted to help children in Florida.

And so now she's been helping us.

She changed policies in her department.

She helped us get ridges law, which is named after Ridge Collins, one of the children

that we helped to get back to the parents after they didn't have them for three years.

Because he had an embilical cord, I think around his throat during a birth.

And they called that abuse, oh, I might be confusing that.

That might be LRs.

Danlos, whatever it was, we've dealt with both of those types.

But for three years, they fought to get their kid back.

They did get their kid back.

And they named the bill after, after Ridge, it passed unanimously.

And Governor Kemp signed it in May of last year, either earlier this month or last month,

a similar law called Patterson's Law was passed in Florida.

That's very, very similar to the law in Georgia.

We helped to get that passed.

And we're just waiting for Governor DeSantis to sign it to sign it.

We anticipate that he will.

It was very, very, it passed unanimously in one of the chambers.

So we're pretty sure he will do that.

And then our big victory is actually our most recent big victory is one that was originally

the reason you were going to have me on, but then we won on it in Tennessee.

They were there was a governor's bill, which means it has to pass a governor's bill that

was the way it was originally written, depending on how you read it, it would either subject

every foster child, every child under DCS care under child protective care to being indefinite

at any age indefinitely put in juvenile detention up to the all the way up to the point to

when they turn 19, that's because they'd have to let them out at that point without any

accusation of a crime, without any accusation of a behavioral problem, all it would require

is for a state employee, primarily from DCS to say that they needed it and in a brief

hearing for a judge to agree, no attorney, present, no, no evidence required, literally

they could have hold them.

That's the first way that it's read is that that could any foster child could have been

accepted to that could have been subjected to that.

The other way you could read it, if you if you looked at it is a very big bill, is

that any child in Tennessee could have been subjected to that.

Now, this is, you know, for those of us who were old enough to remember 25 years ago,

this is the kind of stuff we were debating if suspected members of al Qaeda should be

subjected to indefinite detention without proof, and now Tennessee was debating whether

or not their children and grandchildren should be subjected to it.

The good news is we got involved, you saw the social media push that we put out there,

we had close to 10,000 people contact, the legislature involved there, and they changed

the bill somewhat.

You can tell me if you can spot the subtle difference.

So it was either any child or any foster child could basically be get mode until they turn

19 without any proof of anything.

That was the original.

So here's the difference, and I'm going to say it slowly because it is a subtle difference.

Any child who has already been found delinquent, meaning they've already been found in a

trial to have committed a crime, and now they're under DCS custody.

They're in Juvie or they're in, you know, a foster care setting or a group home or some

kind of punitive setting for juvenile delinquents.

If in there they assault a staff member or a guard, they are sentenced can be extended

for no more than six months.

That's better.

Yeah, that's that's that's actually something that makes sense.

We are still fighting on one finer point on that.

And we're seeing that they just it keeps coming up to the various committees and they keep

punting it to the next committee or the next their next date and their sessions about

the end to end.

So they're either about to pass a decent bill.

Our amendment are are additionally amended bill or it looks like they might just kick

the can down the road and let the bill die.

But what we're saying is the one thing we still want added is that when when a juvenile

delinquent is accused of assault, that should be treated like any other accusation.

Right.

Because otherwise, you know, you could imagine a scenario where like an abusive guard could

tell their victim, hey, if you don't do what I tell you, I'm going to say that you were

that you abused that I that you assaulted me and you're in here for six more months

with me.

Right.

And so, I mean, there's a reason why the Constitution guarantees a certain due protections,

you know, the presumption of innocence and things like that.

If that gets added, then this is actually a really good bill as it stands, it's not

terrible.

It's certainly not getmoing every child or every foster child in Tennessee.

And there's a chance that they might knock it down.

And that's this is the kind of stuff we're now doing at you with the power.

We found out about that the day before they were looking at it in the committee.

And this is the kind of turnaround we can do.

When instead of just getting upset about stuff, we come up with an actual plan of action,

an actual achievable result.

And then we direct the public to an easy and accessible way to try to push for that result.

Right.

And the defensive mechanism is really impactful, rather than trying to establish something, build

something, create something, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know what I mean?

Just going after the worst of the worst, it's blowing my mind that this is coming out

of Tennessee, which is a deep red stage, it's totally conservative.

And you know, what, who are the, well, I'm going to ask you this when we come back because

we have to take a quick break.

But what is the special interest behind this?

I mean, this was very carefully crafted language, slipped into a bill in a supposedly conservative

red state that believes in freedom and tried to push through.

And now they're viciously trying to protect it.

Like, I want to know, you know, who is behind this?

Like who's, who's writing this bill?

Who's championing these, these provisions because it's, I mean, it's mind boggling to

me that this is, that this type of language even exists in these bills, especially in a

state like Tennessee.

So I'll ask you about that when we come back.

And then I also want to talk about how parents, I want to talk about other attempts to take

children from parents outside of medical kidnapping.

And then I would love to hear some pointers and tips for parents and grandparents on how

to keep their children safe, right, because once you get locked into the snares of this apparatus,

the family courts, the referees, the court appointed attorneys, CPS and all the agents,

it is, it's incredibly, incredibly difficult to get out.

So I think that we should end on that, but we're going to go to a quick break.

When we come back, we will continue this conversation with Spike Cohen.

Please follow him on Twitter, his handle is at real Spike Cohen and make sure that you

support his efforts at you are the power dot net.

They are doing God's work, very important work, really appreciate everything that you've

done up until now, Spike, and we'll be back in a moment to continue this discussion.

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All right, back to Spike Cohen.

So glad to feature him for the first time here on the Shannon Joy Show doing just absolutely amazing work, protecting families against government overreach.

Local and state, particularly from the family courts and agencies like Child Protective Services.

Great work, Spike.

And I would like to have you on more often as we cover more and more of these cases.

I wanted to ask you about the special interests or the moneyed organizations.

I mean, these bills don't come out of nowhere, like the Tennessee bill that you just explained in the last segment.

Bill's designed to incarcerate children without due process in juvenile detention centers with just a recommendation, all children of Tennessee, that doesn't just, you know, appear out of nowhere.

It's carefully crafted and inserted into these bills.

And I'm wondering if you have any insight as to the organizations, the interests behind these types of pieces of legislation and the people cashing in on the trafficking of children in our country.

Any thoughts?

Yeah, so what happens is generally speaking with any of these things, as we're in the process of helping the families that are affected or the individuals that are affected.

We're also doing the rabbit hole deep dive of, okay, who specifically is benefiting from this thing?

Whether it's an eminent domain action or, you know, child trafficking under the color of law, medical kidnapping, you know, increasing massively increasing detention of innocent people, whatever the thing is, we are looking also behind the scenes of what brought us here.

And usually that's answered by figuring out where the flow of money is coming from.

Like I said before, this is not a, this really is not a red or blue problem. It's a green problem.

You were the powers of, you know, nonpartisan 501c3 nonprofit.

But even if we weren't, we'd still be saying this is really is not a political party problem or specific individual politicians.

This is what happens when human beings who are all driven by incentives are told, hey, the incentive here is for you to do this really terrible thing to people.

This is what ends up happening. And so I will say we moved so quickly on this bill in Tennessee.

We actually haven't had time to do that kind of a deep dive to no specific organizations.

What I suspect is that if you dig, if you dug deep enough on the original proposal that it would not surprise me if you ended up tying it to whatever local detention center and prison contractors there are, it definitely helps the agencies involved on two fronts.

First, it helps them get more money and also Tennessee, like many states, has such a problem with the fact that they're taking so many children at scale, which is the byproduct of getting all this federal money for the fact that they're taking as many children as they can.

They don't actually know what to do with them. And so we know in Tennessee, at least 200 children have been sent out of state, which costs them significantly more like several times more what it could to keep them in state.

So if nothing else, there was probably an incentive, let's just bring them in state and it'll save us on the budget. But that assumes that you're only still going to have that same number of kids.

You've just created a new criteria that allows you to take way more kids, which means you're going to end up in the same budget nightmare as before.

So it's not for nothing that often this is just really bad planning that just, you know, gets legs and keeps getting worse and worse as mission creep sets in.

But yeah, no, typically with any of these things, it's very quickly you can tie it to specific things, private prison contractors, the actual agencies themselves needing the revenue that they get from it with the medical kidnapping thing, the foster care facilities, the family courts, the child abuse pediatric swings at the hospitals, they're all making money based on this.

And what they do is they create this, you know, all of us are our fallen sinful beings who can find ways to kind of rationalize the things we do that are less than perfect.

Right. And so we've heard this before, we've actually talked, I talked with a a CPS worker who quit in Texas, he and his wife both quit.

And his breaking point for him was when they said, well, yeah, I mean, we do definitely take parents from take children from innocent parents.

But think about it, you know, the worst case scenario there is they're probably going to a better family, they probably have, you know, better financial situation, they've been vetted by the state, they're going to be in a better situation.

And you know, they're going to have a free community college if they want to go to that, they're going to have free health care for life, you know, they're going to get a lot of things because they were in the foster care and adoption system from the state, much better situation than the parents they were with.

And that's the worst case scenario, but the worst case scenario if we don't take a child from an abusive parent, they could die.

So you tell me, which is the worst, the worst evil here, not not for nothing spike, how many children disappear out of the foster care system?

Exactly.

Or the adoption system. I mean, I have to go here with you.

I have to go here with you, given the revelations, and we're going to be doing a couple of shows on the obscene files.

I haven't done a couple, I haven't done a show in about a week because we've been touching other things.

But there's a lot more coming out, horrifying grotesque monstrous.

The people who run things in Washington DC are vicious predators.

That is the only take away that I think you can have when you witness what is being revealed by the release of these documents.

But we have to ask about child sex trafficking and the trafficking of children, criminal, I mean children being grotesquely abused.

With this system, I mean, protecting this system wouldn't that be the perfect funnel to move children into really horrifying positions where they're not better off, they're not better off at all.

They're actually being severely severely abused in the hands of foster parents, adoptive parents, all through this system, your thoughts on that.

In the state of Georgia alone, since 2020 alone, they have lost over 5,000 children.

Unbelievable.

Any significant number of those are teenagers who either aged out of the system and they have no idea where they are.

So you can insert your thoughts there. Hopefully they went back to their parents, but you don't know you don't know what happened.

They have no way of knowing or they were actually lost while still teenagers or tweens or whatever age and they just don't know where they are.

So they're being taken in many states, they're being taken at such scale that they're putting them in hotel blocks with other teenagers.

Basically, the hotel, you know, entire floor and entire section of the hotel is just filled with kids in hotel rooms with little to no supervision.

And some of them are being locked in the CPS agency buildings and being put in the offices of these CPS workers, they don't know where to put them in New Hampshire is probably the worst or was probably the worst.

So in New Hampshire, they created something called the Sanunu Youth Development Center, which was basically a prison where children as young as six were put in a detention center and were subjected at scale to all of the most horrific things you can imagine would happen to a child in prison.

One child, I don't know what words I can use or not on your program, but one child, David Mehan, we know what happened to at least 2,000 children.

One child, David Mehan, was subjected to every type of abuse you can imagine, including the ones that were tied that sexual abuse as well at scale at least hundreds of times.

And he actually ended up being awarded a $38 million settlement, which the state then cut down to 420,000 or 425,000 something like that.

But there are over 2,000 kids behind him waiting for their shot as well. People have already gone to prison for it. And this, you know, you mentioned that a lot of the people in positions of power are traffickers or are abusers and predators themselves.

We have to remember something because we often look at the government as this sort of like Leviathan font of knowledge that has just some of the wrong people in place.

We need to remember something abusers will often pick vocations that make it easier for them to abuse. Now there isn't a vocation much easier than abusing people than being put in a position of direct authority over children with little to no accountability where the only one who could effectively say that you're doing it to them is the child and where you would be the one who would be in charge of investigating whether or not it happened.

So that's what we're seeing. I will tell any parent, any grandparent, any guardian watching this. The best place for your children to be is with you or a loved one someone in your family, someone that you know, that's the safest place.

And you'll notice there's this increasing subtle propaganda where coming from the state where they'll say, well, you know, abuse is most likely to happen from someone you know, and which can be true.

But they'll use it as a way of trying to justify institutionalizing children, having it be the teachers and the principles and the, you know, the people in the DCS in the in the child protective services, then making the decisions because they're just an uninterested third party. Well, we just see at best they're financially incentivized to often take children who don't need to be taken and at worst that's where predators go to be able to do the worst.

Utterly horrifying and very interesting that the states that you talked about today, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, New Hampshire.

This happens in New York and California, blue states as well. But it's important because I, you know, there is this myth within conservative media and in the Republican party that these type of things are not happening in red states.

And the one of the worst situations of abuse that I have ever seen and reported on in my life. And I can't remember the name of the family. It was 10 years ago that I reported on this on my show.

I've been doing CPS medical kidnapping. I mean, that's been a feature, not a feature of a horrifying feature of my show since I've launched, you know, 12 years ago.

But it was out of Texas. I mean, Texas was the worst of the worst in terms of the states.

What would you tell parents? We have about seven minutes before we have to close up again, spike Cohen with us today. He is the founder and president of you are the power.

They are helping thousands and thousands of families. They are helping people advocate for themselves. They are protecting children.

We need to support them. The website is you are the power dot net. That's you are the power dot net. And if you follow spike on Twitter, his handle is at real spike Cohen.

You can follow the cases that he is working on the families that need our help. You can contribute to their efforts by sending emails and signing petitions and alerting politicians, people in your state or in surrounding states.

There is so much that we can do outside of electoral politics to help children. And I want to encourage you guys to do that.

If we put our time and energy and money into organizations and efforts like spikes, rather than all of the political circus side shows that we, you know, we focus on it, you know, in the midterm elections and in presidential elections, we would have a different country.

These things would not be able to persist. And so I want to encourage you guys to support. I've gone through his website, by the way. You run it beautifully.

You're transparent. It is a, it's a beautiful organization. I'm so thankful for you. I really am. I cannot tell you how impressed I am by you and your organization and what you have put together.

It is an example to everyone else out there in the, in our country.

But as we, as we close out the show, let's talk about how to protect our children. There are moms and dads, grandmothers and grandfathers watching today.

You know, how would you advise them to protect their children to keep them out of the system? Because once you get in snare, you could be the amazing person.

It is so hard to get out. And every parent faces the potential of losing their child. Every parent doesn't matter what your socioeconomic demographic is. It does not matter whether you're white or black, rich or poor.

The Catholic Protestant Democrat Republican, every parent is at risk at losing their children. I'll give it over to you to address that and how people can protect themselves and their kids.

Yeah. So I don't want people to be paranoid, but I do want you to be aware when you are in any kind of medical situation with your child, they're in a doctor's office, they're in a hospital.

There is at least the potential that there is an investigation being built, whether you realize it or not, or that the information is there for if an investigation is built that they already have that information that they need.

So I'm not saying don't disclose things with your doctor or anything like that. I am saying just be aware of that fact, first of all.

At any point, there is your child goes into a hospital, especially a children's hospital, and there's any kind of injury and a doctor starts asking you questions, you are almost certainly under investigation.

And so what I would encourage parents to do, first of all, if at any point you either suspect or know that you are under investigation or that CPS has opened the case or anything like that, go to you were the power dot net slash help.

We give us your information and we will look at it and we can start actually, if it's something that fits within our scope of work, we can actually start working with you directly even before the most terrible things happen.

We've been able to actually reunite families where we sent out a couple of emails and got the whole thing killed. So at the earlier we get involved the better, if it's within our scope of work. So that's the first thing I'd say.

The next thing I'd say is standard issue stuff, know your rights, you know, if you're being asked a bunch of leading questions, you're allowed to say, I don't want to answer these questions, I think I'm being under investigation and I'd like to not answer these questions.

If a CPS agent starts getting involved, CPS's child protective services, they're called different things state by state, but if a child protective agent comes in, you're allowed to say, I only want to speak with an attorney present.

If they say, oh, we'd like you to sign this document agreeing to you say, I don't want to sign anything until my attorney has looked at it. If they say we'd like to come to your house to check something, you can say, I don't want you in my house without a warrant.

You're allowed to say these things and very often because they operate on a big part of what they operate on is on the fact that these parents just want to get to the bottom of what's going on with their kids, they'll work with anyone they'll talk to anyone and they don't mean harm to themselves, but what they're doing is they're making it a lot easier for the state to build a case against them.

So the more you do to assert your rights, the harder it is because they don't have a case against you.

So it's going to be hard for them to get a warrant. They might be able to, but at the very least there's protections there. So it's standard issue, know your rights stuff, standard issue, you know, don't don't comply past what you're required by law.

Get an attorney involved if you need to. And like I said, first thing you do, I guess probably first thing you do is contact an attorney. Second thing you do go to you are the power dot net slash help fill out our form.

And if there's something we can do to help we will, like I said, there are a lot of these families we've reunited. It was they fought for it for years. And then we found out about it and helped them. But now they're tens of thousands in debt.

Their kid, they lost formative years with their kids. Other people who knew about us when this happened. They contacted us. We were able to send out some emails. They never lost their kids or they only had them gone for a couple of days.

And you know, this nightmare is behind them.

Well, spike that so important to because abuse happens when that child is removed from your custody and put into a foster situation or a, you know, a state custody situation.

It's a split second for an abuse to take place and your child has changed forever forever.

Your child, if part of this is, and we've seen this in multiple cases, if it's that your child has Ellers, Dan Loes or some medical condition, they won't treat them for that because they would be acknowledging that that was what caused it.

And so for at least initially until they reach a certain point where they're like really bad off, they won't treat them.

So at the very least your child will likely what if in that kind of scenario if your child has like a connective tissue or bone disorder.

There's a very good chance that they take the child and they have reason to think that they're this isn't a good case.

They might we've seen in other cases where they denied them treatment.

Yeah.

And then even after they had to start treating them, they still pretended that that wasn't what was causing the injuries.

Right.

There were times where children were, I'm talking children newborns, weeks, months, you know, couple years old have issues that need medical intervention and they weren't getting it.

Essentially because that would kind of require them to acknowledge that that's probably what was causing it.

Right, right.

I would add to that as well, make sure that you trust your practitioners and be very discerning and who you take your children to.

I am, I drive my children 50 minutes, 50 minutes because there is one practitioner in my general area that I trust my children to see.

So that's one area.

Keep your families together.

After reporting this over 12 years spike, it's, you know, as long as there's not, you know, abuse or adultery or any of, you know, obviously, you know, you have to protect yourself and make your determinations.

Of course.

Families that are connected, I mean, mom and dad are together, they, they will go in and they will exploit the division in a separated family.

Very often that allows the state to come in as a wedge between the mother and the father, you're inviting the state into your family situation as a mediator.

And I've seen that exploited and abused so many times over the years.

So I would say that document, document, document.

If, you know, I was in a situation and my child was in a hospital situation, an emergency situation, my phone would be recording the whole time.

I wouldn't let them know, but in my purse, the record button, every interaction that I had with a doctor, you know, and there are also actually some documents that you can present to, you know, a hospital or a, you know, a situation where you can establish some of your rights there as well.

So those are just some things that I would add to spike to, you know, to parents because man, it's dangerous out there.

This type of stuff keeps me up at night.

I can, you know, it's, it's a horrifying thing. And I mean, in some of the, and I, because I don't want to end on a sour note, these were cases where we were able to reunite the families, but we've heard that these families were essentially told, listen, you're right now, you're not allowed to talk to your wife, you're not going to see your kids, you're facing decades in prison.

If you sign this, you're not going to see your kids again, but the prisons over and you got your wife back and you're young, you can have more kids.

And create, it's unbelievable. And instead what happened was we got those children back home where they belonged and, and, and we reunited them.

All right. Okay. Well, here's your pitch. I mean, how can people help you find you? What do you need from them? And we're going to close the show out.

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And by going to you were the power dot net slash volunteer. And if you're in a position to give these causes, typically can cost anywhere from two to $5,000 on the low end to up to $25,000 if it actually goes to criminal and family court.

So every, every little bit helps you can go to you were the power dot net slash donate, but it all starts at you were the power dot net. We love to have you be a part of this.

All right. Spike Cohen, amazing work. Thank you so much. We'll have you on again. Okay.

Shannon, I'd love that. Of course, of course.

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