Wes Austin: Why Filing a Patent Is Way More Expensive Than You Think | DSH #1739

So what's the difference with those two? You said the first one was $15,000, that's just file

about. There's going to be a big upfront cost to just prepare and file it and then it sits in

the patent office for a while. They'll finally pick it up and they do a search and then they start

what's called prosecution where they'll send you a document saying we don't think you're

things compatible for these reasons and then you go back and forth for a few months or a few years

trying to get them to some areas yeah it'll take years to finally get through because you'll

get there a little thing you'll send your arguments back and then it might be three, four,

five months before you hear back again yeah and then you'll do the whole thing over again and go

back and forth. We got Leslie Austin comedian and a lawyer I've never heard of that that combination

so it's a killer combo yeah it's like two opposite worlds yeah yeah you got to be super logical

in one world can't crack a joke and then other worlds opposite yeah yeah there's not a lot of

crossover you know which one came which one came first a lawyer right yeah lawyer actually I

was an electrical engineer first wow then law school and then comedian damn well done yeah I don't

think a lot of people can make that transition dude it was I don't know if I've made it fully I'm

trying but it's not easy so have you always had to like a humorist side to you though even when

you were a lawyer I I think so I mean I tried to but I just you know beginning of my career I was

too scared to go try open mic and try it yeah so it took me forever to finally get out and actually do

it I kind of started by doing this web series which is just it was big and crazy but it kind of

I had to do something insane to get me out instead try start trying to do it yeah so what was that

got me going it's called the IP section and hardly anybody seen it but it was basically you know

instead of buying a nice Porsche which more most lawyers would do I spent it all on the most

expensive home video you can imagine oh yeah yeah we had a crew and rented space to fill men and

everything yeah I look back and I think that was crazy but it's almost like I had to have some

big you know dream big shot to get me out of the door and then I realized like I'm not supposed to

start like that I need to go to open mic and that makes sense but it kind of got me going I was just too

scared to do it before did you bomb your first open mic you know the very first one everybody was

really nice and so I didn't bomb but then after that I bombed hard for a really really long time

and that didn't make you quit it made me sometimes I was too scared to get out of the car and go in

that would just sit and just I can't do it um I remember I had one one joke I thought would be

hilarious which just killed me was I you know when I was in school in junior high gym class we had

to do a jock check did you did you guys do that no what is that so you had to wear your jock

and the teacher had to check and make sure you had it on and so see yeah and I thought it would be

funny and so but so you'd at the beginning of gym class you'd have to line up and he'd go around

and check and you either have to pull the little thing and snap it so you could hear that yeah

or you had to pull your shorts down and show the front I thought that would be funny and it ate

it so hard everybody was just so uncomfortable and I didn't dare try that bit for like three years

after cheese and then he brought it back and then he brought it back and I would get some

laughs with it but that that that was it it's like a dad joke because when I think about that

said I almost it just gives me the weed he's like it was so yeah because my generation can't

relate to that we never got that test done on us I hope it wasn't just my small town we're we're

just like our PE teacher is like yeah we need to do a jock check on all of you boys the

line up and then you know this was a public school or what yeah junior high school wow yeah what

time I put him on class right now think it was in the eight eighties yeah but I saw I have heard of

other people they had a jock check too so I don't think we were the only ones but maybe we were

what sport were you guys even playing for that it was just regular gym class so it would be like

we're gonna play horse or we're gonna like run around and do flag football it was

very important that you were wearing a jock wow I don't know what to say about it but wait they did

shower checks too where they had you could you had to shower they didn't want you to smell so they

had to make sure you would shower so they would check to make sure you shower the school sounds

very suspect to me dude they did not do that in my school no one gave a shit I'm sure they

stopped doing that probably when they figured out this is pretty messed up we probably shouldn't

be doing this yeah you guys are 14 years old so they're gonna be walking in the shower yeah he would

walk through and like with a clipboard just kind of that's crazy and sometimes I think they would

check just if your head was wet when you would leave if he was lazy that is not yeah that would

be so many lawsuits these days yeah and you're a lawyer now so we'll take a lot of

specializing patents yeah that's your main thing yeah what are some of the coolest patents you've

filed from your recollection oh I mean most of my stuff that I do is really boring embedded wireless

stuff so it helps your phone last a little bit longer or pack a little bit more data in it's

nothing too sexy or exciting usually if I talk about it you'll probably be asleep in like two

minutes but yeah one of my high school teachers patented something that apple ended up buying

and it's used in every iPhone oh and the guy was worth like nine figures he just taught for fun

and I'll never forget that because he just was a beast one one patent can change your life oh yeah

I mean the guy like a pet monkey lived in a mansion like that dude's a legend shout out to uh

Mr. Valdez I think was his name yeah yeah you can yeah you'll hear of like one patent selling

for just a fortune and yeah because he gets the money on every single iPhone so do you imagine

that he's got to be killing it hell in it yeah shout out to him man I'm a text to you I still got

a number and everyone uh all the students made fun of him man felt bad for him you know

because he was he was he was yay and that I feel like ten years ago you really got made fun of for

that yeah depending on where you grew up I guess but yeah it wasn't as accepted yeah well he was

he was also ner I'm guessing he was nerdy because he's a nerdy graduate number one in his class

from Columbia which is an Ivy one of the best Ivy Leagues and to be number one at that schools

you gotta get a nerd to the max yeah and to come up with something that the guys that apple didn't

already come up with is yeah he's got to be pretty yeah but as a high school you just make

it fun of everything you know yeah now I I can respect that that's a lot to do the lead in for

sure but yeah one patent man I want to start a patent one to I don't know what for but I just

want to say I have one you know what I mean it's like a flex yeah well some people will file just

because they want to have uh you know a patent with her name on it yeah I mean you never know

someone could buy it too down their own yeah yeah well there's and there's some weird ones out

there that I don't know if you've I've come across weird ones um the government owns some weird ones

if we want to go the conspiracy route or the UFO ones yeah yeah I've seen those yeah what are those

about well okay the weird thing with the government weird UFO patents is that you know if it's

truly something that's secret and you want to keep confidential about like the government will

grab it right when you file it and say there's going to be a secrecy order on this because we don't

want this getting out to anybody oh wow they could do that for yeah yeah so yeah so the fact that

that didn't happen on those that's weird yeah it's really weird did they not so I don't know what if

they're just somebody that had this weird idea and they let it file it because it didn't really

have anything to do with anything see their negligence or just they want it there for a reason

yeah or they wanted people to see it but they really weren't trying to hide anything in it or they

would have issued the secrecy order and had the thing under wraps so you couldn't see it yeah yeah

because I looked at one of those and it was really hardly anything there and usually something like

that it's going to be pages and pages and pages of just stuff to try to describe to you how you

build this thing and that one was I mean really short which is there's no way I can build a UFO

from what this thing is I just right you right I can't build this thing that different I don't

know if it's a gravity I don't remember exactly like a hundred dollars something yeah and I thought

I'm not going to be able to build this from this thing yeah speaking of UFOs the town you grew up

in that you mentioned earlier with the weird high school how's it UFO sightings yeah so I grew up

believing in Bigfoot and UFOs because we had sightings of both but our town Tremont and Utah

it had one a really famous UFO sighting back around 1950 which is there's like I don't know a

dozen small little objects that's before Ross while I think right or is it Arthur oh man I

might have to look it up but that sounds early oh really really early and they actually had footage of

the UFOs which is incredible back then wow how big it footage um somebody had some old camera

and they actually had some footage of it so you can look it up it doesn't look too impressive

because they're just some little dots up but it's a really famous UFO sighting that goes way back

and I think I think the CIA even talked about it and did an assessment on it so interesting yeah

and did you see any when you were out there no I didn't see anything you didn't see Bigfoot

I didn't see Bigfoot but we had Bigfoot what I was in I think junior high grade school at junior

high when I was young there were a bunch of Bigfoot sightings around Tremont and now I know like

there's no way you don't believe in them I I would like to but I just think it's impossible because

you would have found something you know found yeah you know we haven't found anything so I can't

imagine it's real but probably because like but it could be kind of fun but there were a number of

sightings and I knew some of the people who said they saw it and they I mean they I trust him so

it was credible it was yeah they're credible so it's not like a weirdo who says like hey I saw

yeah yeah my thing is really in that came down but yeah these people were trustworthy I thought

this is weird because I don't think he's real but dang it these guys are saying they so

that's that's my thing when tens of thousands sometimes hundreds of thousands of people all say

similar events without knowing each other yeah what's going on with that yeah you know what I mean

with aliens with Bigfoot there has to be something it can't just be all be us yeah there's

gotta be something there it's just too bizarre to have that many all over the world sightings like

that yeah yeah and some of the ones in like Africa with the UFO stuff are nuts like hundreds of

people all in the same area reporting the same thing that don't know each other yeah that's

crazy like those to me why would hundreds of people lie mm-hmm you know what I mean and now I mean

now you've got such good technology to fake it that whenever I see something on X or whatever

I'm like yeah I don't think that could you know but the Miami one was fake for sure the one

the mall oh yeah okay I think that was one of the ones yeah yeah project blue beam is a real thing

you know that is no it's fake alien invasions and fake aliens by the government to distract people

okay yeah it's a hit project and is that did that kind of morph out of the earlier UFO projects

they had I don't know when it started but it's a known thing that there's gonna be some fake alien

invasions and fake alien sightings to distract people now you see Congress talking about UFOs and

you got to ask yourself is that intentional or do they actually care yeah well they they did

I mean they do kind of go from a wild 180 from none of it's real you guys are insane these are

gases from the swamp this is the two yeah we're gonna actually gonna have hearings and the real and

so it is what whatever caused that flip tell the sudden it wasn't 180 yeah and I don't know the

government might say what we uh you caught us and so now we're gonna tell the truth like you're

the government I don't ever trust you're gonna tell the truth I don't the one thing I've let the

older I've gotten the more I've learned the government you should never trust them they're always

gonna be they're always some other agenda that they don't tell you about and so yeah I think

that's what's the real agenda on why are you guys saying now it's it's real unless it's some kind

of sia up right to make us think something's real I don't know a lot of sia up these days yeah when

I'm scrolling on social media I'm spotting them every like 10 scrolls as a new sia up like all right

what are they trying to program people believing with this one well when you hear when you when you

hear that the CIA was like planting news events in the press that were false that they wanted people

to believe certain things like yeah that's absolutely the what the government would do

they would absolutely want to do certain things that weren't true but they want the the country or

some country to believe something so yeah they drop it yeah you can spread information so quickly

these days with social media it's like you can paint a false narrative probably within an hour

of these days that would be mainstream oh yeah it's pretty nuts it's crazy how fast that thing will

just like it's like wildfire people don't watch the news anymore they just scroll on social media you

know you dives into politics somewhat yeah do you do you cover it on your comedy sets too or

no no so my comedy I try to just keep away from any politics but my my Instagram and YouTube

are pretty much just news events and then I do some kind of conservative spin joke on it you've

always been conservative yeah yeah trump trump 2020 24 hacky yes 28 maybe two I highly doubt it

that's because it he can only do two terms but I think I think he's trolling people when he says

he's gonna I think he's recently most recently said he's not gonna run again but I think when

he said he was or when he hinted I swear he was just trolling people because they say you can't

you can only have two but how do you feel like he's done so far in the second term overall I

mean I'm happy with where he's at so far I mean we've had you know crap tons of lawsuits to stop

almost everything yeah I guess shit is expected just because that's what's gonna happen but I've

been happy with what they've been trying to do so far yeah the amount of legal uh they call it

law fair yeah the amount of law fair he deals with is just mind blowing like once lawsuit wrecked my

mental health for like a mom I can't even imagine what he gets served every two hours probably yeah

can you imagine I know it's um well I'm the same way if I get some kind of notice I'm like uh then

I can't think about something oh even you as a lawyer yeah I've I've had the same yeah I I was

involved in a eight one of my family members divorces I got pulled into and it was oh they came

off how did that work well I was involved with the business uh and anyway and so we got pulled

it but that was I didn't like that at all I mean that was stressing me out I mean yeah do you

they could wreck your life I and there was a patent infringement case once going on where they

wanted to take my deposition which I didn't like that yeah that wasn't cool they could take your

deposition yeah yeah how does that work they wanted to so they you know subpoenaed me took my

deposition to ask me questions about a patent that I'd worked on oh wow I just I hate lawyers too

is what I'm saying they're the worst I mean the litigators right the litigators yeah the litigators

are like I'm I mostly I didn't mostly do preparation and prosecution and patent some I'm kind of

just a nerd yeah with a law degree so I'm harmless I can't really but yeah there's different

types of lawyers I don't want to group them all into into one category but though some of these

litigators man just you get an email from them it ruins your week oh yeah you know and they make

money off your demise so it's kind of like a and they're like they're the lawyers that you know

drive the really nice fancy cars and just their egos or yeah you shoot them on the billboards

yeah yeah yeah all over Vegas yeah are they up here on the solid yeah yeah yeah yeah everywhere

yeah they like being seen yeah I think I got into a courtroom a couple of times and for nothing

but I didn't know anything about anything because I'm a prosecutor and I remember I didn't even

know which side to sit on like because nobody tells you they just like yeah you go to the the

the planning meeting it'll be fine and I'm like and I go on there nobody's there so I don't

know where I'm supposed to sit yeah what's gonna happen that's not they never let they're never

have me go again but yeah anyway we don't I don't make my way into courtrooms hardly ever yeah why

would you man yeah even if you're the one silly it's just so stressful like you'd have to have

an open and shot case for me to go that route ever like I'd have to have a lot of evidence on you

yeah like most of the people I talk to you say that usually in lawsuits both parties end up really

mad I mean just because it costs a lot of money and it's really stressful and it's and even if

you win this is what people don't know you still got to collect it yeah there's a lot of people that

never collect their winnings you know I mean yeah they get a judgment and then they can't get

actually the judgment yeah because even if you get a judgment you need the bank account you need

the right information and if that guy's smart they put all their money in a trust or other

businesses yeah you know it's offshore somewhere whatever yeah yeah if you're suing someone

personally like odds of you getting that are pretty slim yeah it's gonna be a long it's gonna be

a long road to get there yeah for sure where are you performing out lately though a lot in Salt Lake

when when I I've had to take a little bit of a break because my work got busy and I'm trying to

keep up with my videos but usually just Salt Lake around Salt Lake or Ogden or maybe South Jordan

nice yeah you've gotten a lot better out of Madden by now I'm better than when I started I hope

they say it takes 10 years in comedy I've had Nikki Glazer on in a couple big

oh really oh wow they also they had a grind for a while that's cool yeah it's it's had some pretty

bad experiences on stage before what's the worst you get a lot of hecklers not too not too many

hecklers but there was one time when I was at a place in Park City doing a set and hardly anybody

there was a bar hardly anybody there but there was a service dog and so I was trying to you know

do my comedy right and it's not going well and this service dog goes up on stage and starts

smelling me and sniffing the crotch area and that's that's getting some laughs so the dog is

getting more laughs than I am right and I'm trying to perform while I'm getting sniffed by the dog

and then with the dog leaves some random dude in the back he yells out bring the dog back

yeah so that was that's rough that was rough you're resilient for not quitting after that one

oh that was terrible yeah yeah I always wondered how these guys stick it through it you know what I mean

oh it's these comedians it's brutal because most of the time probably 75% of the time I think

I did horribly just terrible and I probably should quit and yeah it's so rough and so the next

half week I'm always just like oh that was the worst thing and I don't know why I'm just terrible

it does but I wonder why you keep doing it this keeps like you want to prove yourself type of thing

or I think I think like no I think I'm funny so I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep trying it

even though the audience disagrees every time I go up but when most of the time I go up well it's

all about you could be funny but it's the delivery I feel like that's equally as important yeah

oh totally totally because we could be funny just sitting around talking but to do it on stage is

different yeah I think I get a little I get anxious yeah I think everyone does even the top people

I talk to you get anxious that's good to hear it's about controlling it right yeah and I'm still I

feel a little bit of well public fear biggest fear in the world is public speaking that's been proven

that's the number one fear people have across the whole world so it's just not an easy thing for

people I hate it too honestly and I'm a podcaster but I get asked to speak out of ants and it's

okay I'm comfortable you know and do you once you get started does it usually go away

immediately okay as soon as the first word leaves my mouth it's all in your head that's what I

realized because I used to be on Xanax it's not terrible anxiety and before I would talk on stage

I'd have to pop like three of them okay and the problem with that was it would kill your emotion

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I just stopped doing that but it was tough dude yeah I'm all natural now some people got to get

drunk before they go on stage oh yeah yeah yeah was that you no no I I didn't but I've heard of

comedians to do that and the problem is they kind of get into the thing where they always have to

get a little bit of a buzz before they get on confidence yeah yeah that's how

phone because alcohol I feel like it's tricky you can either get too drunk or not drunk enough

it's hard to gauge it right I would think because it depends on your stomach like if you're on

an empty stomach or if you ate a lot you got to drink differently yeah do you drink at all or

you're no I'm yeah diet coke is the hardest thing wow I usually will have yeah good for you

you're committed I respect that um your recent video I saw you you called out Steven Colbert

Colbert or is that his name oh yeah Colbert yeah he's show got canceled yeah what did you think of

that I mean I thought I used to like Steven Colbert and think he was funny back when he would do

the Colbert Report you know the Daily Show with John Stewart but since he's been on the light show

it was just he's just so one-sided politically that it was just driving me nuts yeah and he

had so many you know lefty politicians on his show that I thought is this the meet the press

thing on Sunday morning or you like a late-night talk show host what's going on because he was

you know AOC polo C um Carine Jumpi that whole laundry list of those people that's who he was

having and I just thought you're just ruining and he did so he did also Howard Stern did oh yeah

he just canceled he was making uh what was a hundred million year yeah a hundred million dollars

a year and he went against Trump and then lost a big chunk of his audience hit bad move I don't

know why like he used to be so edgy and then he's just kind of yeah that that was weird to me

because he was probably the edgiest oh of all time absolutely and then he just started hating Trump

out of nowhere just yeah I'm well in Trump Trump followers Trump fans he said like I don't necessarily

hate Trump but I hate all of the people who voted for Trump that was but done the statement of all

time possibly yeah I mean it cost him a billion dollars he has he if they when I last looked at it

they thought he was going to lose his show because of money I don't know if that's officially yet

I don't know if they officially announced it but that's the word on the street okay I think it's

I saw a few press outlets report on it so that that's a major deal man seriously exam he would have

ended up making probably a billion dollars over the lunch of the official he already made a lot

which is the good part for him yeah yeah you can't really do that at that level that's nearly

an 80% of the population yeah right I have on both sides on my show even though I'm conservative

I like to get both sides of voice you know yeah which I think from what you're doing that totally

makes sense because then you can get people hearing both sides of things and then they can decide

you know whatever that's my goal yeah like I'll film an LA in New York City super liberal and then

I'll go to like some conservative city what's their conservative city like maybe Miami Salt Lake

and I would think I you know Salt Lake is one of these weird places where it's like entirely red

state but Salt Lake City is yeah yeah yeah I mean I don't know what the percentages like maybe

I'm guessing 60% Democratic folks got it maybe 40 in in Salt Lake but then when you get out

it's like well that's how a lot of major cities are actually yeah cities are overall blue I think 80

percent of them it seems like any big city just turns blue it's interesting right yeah super

interesting why that is and I don't know why that happens like that yeah we need to look into that

because all the smaller cities are red so that's why we won the popular vote but the city votes

we lost right yeah 24 yeah oh yeah for sure yeah I don't know what's going on with that now

they're saying new sums getting run in 28 yeah he's he's acting like it I mean he is just the way

he's always out there that his latest thing is imitating Trump on X you know with all caps and

he's I think he's definitely wanting it I don't think I win I well the polls a while back had him

clearly not in the forefront with the Democrats I think recently they said he's bumped up higher

he's number one on the Democrat okay on probably market right now yeah I just like with what he's

done to California I just can't imagine that's not going to be such like an albatross around his

neck good luck yeah because that's the whole country is just going to be being shown ads about

look at what he did to California they got hope that he does it here you know a lot they could

use against I mean if you're watching this you can come on my podcast we'll talk about he's

going on a lot of pods actually oh man if you could get him that'd be great I definitely can we

found some neutrals like Charlie Kirk went on a show yeah yeah yeah I saw that that was a good

episode yeah I thought it was great yeah shout out to Charlie Kirk man have you been to any of

Charlie's events no I would like to go but I should go to Amfess this year when is that December okay

Phoenix are you gonna go yeah I film podcasts okay yeah he has a media row you just set up

and film a bunch of content okay cool I should probably try to do that they should yeah you could

film some episodes there get your views up yeah I love that you're already getting a lot though

saw your analytics well done man thank you thank you did that take off right away

um when I started doing anything news related I finally started getting a little bit of traction

yeah before that when I was just trying to be funny it was I wasn't really getting anything yeah

but I noticed when I started doing any kind of current event thing with humor I started getting

a little bit of traction so I just kind of leaned into that more I was actually on Apple podcast

yesterday just scrolling through the categories and I clicked on the news one all the biggest shows

we're under that one to be honest okay like Candice Tucker Charlie I think the news uh category gets

a ton of views okay you know so that makes sense yeah as long as you're putting the videos up

quickly yeah and that's like my turnaround is nuts because it's pretty much morning read the news try

to find some stuff I want to talk about shoot shoot it edit it post it that night wow just because

I know I'm smaller and for me to have any chance of getting views I've got to get it out just

immediately it's all you that does everything um I have someone who helps me edit and then I have

someone who helps me write a little bit but I am doing a lion shirt well well done to like embrace

social media you know at your age I feel oh yeah thank you I know I hold you are but I feel like it's

a younger man's game you know yeah I'm trying to get in there with the kids

and respect to you as a lawyer for doing it too because I know lawyers are kind of old school like

my I know some lawyers they still run billboard ads they still run like weird ads and newspapers

and magazines yeah and I think some of the older lawyers like the hard copy files you know they'll

have the stack of yeah files they want to touch it and feel it you know what do you think of that

um it makes it makes me just think these guys are going to lose something because I'm used to

you know folders and electronic folders and files and everything you can search and find

so when it's a hard copy yeah what if a fire happens or if a janitor comes in and moves the

pile you're just screwed because you can't find it now I mean it's it's not where you had it

docu sign that's the way to go these days yeah yeah you know I love all that kind of

I love docu sign I don't like sign and shit in person just email it to me yeah I mean you just

pretty much just tap it with your finger and you're all good well now I get a contract I run

if you chat you be t first okay send it to my lawyer so I'll run if you chat you be t I say

identify all the ways I can be screwed over and provide your online red line suggestions for me

okay and then I send that to my lawyer oh nice yeah saves me a ton of money oh that's a ton of

time and also myself I could see what I need to work on yeah nice because sometimes your lawyer

doesn't know exactly what you want yeah well it's wild how when people were first seeing about this

technology they thought you know blue collar people might be losing jobs and all this AI is actually

I think you've taken out white collar more professional jobs because that's what it's good at yeah

it's replacing surgeons it's replacing lawyers yeah like why would you call a lawyer when you can

ask chat GPT and it'll tell you yeah yeah I mean I know a lot of law firms not even hiring

paralegals now they're hiring kids that can use chat GPT yeah and that saves them a lot of money

isn't that crazy yeah that's crazy yeah sucks to like imagine if you spend like eight years in

law school and now you're entering the market with AI that'd be so brutal terrible timing right yeah

it's like I can ask this thing and it'll spit back an entire set of arguments for something

and cost me hardly anything yeah you're gonna cost me how much yeah that's nuts is it affecting

the patent law space at all yeah yeah um I haven't noticed it yet um and I I'm hoping that's

just because I hope we have a little bit of a niche just because by definition it has to be some

new invention that you don't know about yeah right it would be harder for AI to describe it but

I'm sure that that's probably right around the corner yeah and I'm just trying to think positive

no you're right though imagine if it gets to the point where you could file a patent with an AI

lawyer oh yeah that'd be nuts that'd be nuts AI lawyer like a law firm of just these

different AI entities that you can deal with yeah well no bill is like seven dollars instead of

4,000 or something like that's what it calls right not a file patent oh if you're going to file

like a US utility patent application you're probably really looking between like 10 and 15

thousand dollars to get a whole filed I think that's about where you're gonna be at wow you might

be able to get it a little cheaper somewhere but that's pretty much where you're gonna be I know

is I'm watching yeah if you're gonna and then if you're gonna try to get something through the

patent office you're looking at another five to ten fifteen even twenty thousand dollars on top

of juice just because a patent examiner can get if they really dig in their heels you'll be fighting

for quite a while to get something through so at the cost it can cost a lot so what's the

difference with those two you said the first one was fifteen thousand that's just file a patent

yeah yeah so you'll it's there's gonna be a big upfront cost to just prepare and file it yeah

and then it sits in the patent office for a while they'll finally pick it up and they do a search

and then they start what's called prosecution where they'll send you a document saying we don't

think you're things patentable for these reasons and then you go back and forth or a few months

or a few years trying to get them to take a lot on in some art in some areas yeah it'll take

years to to finally get through because you'll get there a little thing you'll send your arguments

back and then it might be three four or five months before you hear back again yeah and then

you'll do the whole thing over again and go back and forth geez and that's just a US right yeah

then you need to file other country and if you're gonna file another country's that's gonna

be all on top of it yeah it's a very expensive endeavor it's really expensive yeah I just think

I wonder what percentage of them actually get sold or utilized that would I bet you it's a

small percentage but yeah so you got to really be confident then if you're gonna go that route

yeah I mean I really hate to see somebody spending a lot of money if it's not going to be

something that's going to be valuable because I've been doing it long enough that I know

I don't want them to be mad at the end so I really don't want them to do it if it's not

yeah yeah be worth it to them has anyone not went to you actually like done something big or sold

it or implemented it in a big way how many no my stuff's all been kind of incremental things

usually in the middle of cell phones so that it's got it not some anyway that's

I haven't anything too amazing that I'm then I'm aware of it's all kind of nerdy stuff

and then it in the middle of something well you work on some phones used by the NSA right

is yeah oh yeah yeah so back yeah when I was an engineer I actually worked

get for a secure telecommunications section and we were making telephones back then for

the NSA and government yeah well that was probably what then yeah I'm gonna sound really old

I think that was around the in the 90s okay but I mean these phones were like

freaking 15 20 pounds holy crap because it to have the secure channel it was we were all excited

because we were doing stuff for you know government entities and it was so we had security

clearances so if you had the top security clearance you could go into the this section that was

all cordoned off and if you didn't you had to stay out here and you couldn't take anything

through this vault door basically to go like the movies oh yeah yeah it was it was hardcore

did you go to every 51 no no I know but I did go to Los Alamos once really yeah I did have

some meetings out there once whoa you probably can't talk about that no because yeah that's crazy

I'm always fascinated with like secret bases and underground bases oh I was I wanted to go walk

around but we I couldn't but I wanted to like in mountains like you could fly through the mountain

and you're in a base have you heard of those is that I don't know by area 51 or that might be

that might be Grand Canyon or something but like it looks like a mountain but it's an illusion

you just fly right into it no where's this I don't know we got to look that one up but there's

all sorts of okay hitting bases apparently like they moved area 51 to a bunch of other bases

there was just a fire there in area 51 a couple weeks ago they were saying they were burning

evidence oh geez who knows man conspiracy is our fun but you got to be careful with those well

you know when yeah when what was that I did a story in this before President Trump got in but

there was a big Shredder truck out front of the FBI I think which is just that's weird

was really weird you got you guys shouldn't be shredding anything you work for us

those were the Epstein family everything you have better be kept and maintained because you

you work for the people don't there's nothing you're gonna shred where it's like yeah good

I'm glad you shredded that no I'm not so that was I didn't like that dollars before Trump got

in the second time yeah yeah yeah that was the Epstein fault that was so it's definitely no good

whatever they were doing was not so yeah I could there's a burning some stuff area 51 I could

see that because you even even when President Trump takes over you still got tons of people so

embedded in that deep state machine that they're like it's gonna take him forever to drill down to

wherever this little pod of people they're gonna be able to delete stuff shreds stuff yeah for sure

yeah yeah I believe in the deep state to be honest oh for sure there's a level above the

government that pulls the strings do you feel okay I think there's definitely some kind of

set of people that just seem to have a ton of power do you feel like it's organized and there's a

like they have some kind of committee to like I've really wondered is there some committee of people

who really do decide what they're going to do or is it more of a they just all happen to be

power brokers but they don't really coordinate I think both I think when you look in a certain

organization it's like the world economic forum stuff like that I think that's pretty sketchy

the Bohemian Grove meetings have you looked into that I've heard the I've heard the name but I

don't really Alex Jones exposed it like 10 years ago okay there there was a bunch of people

and yes all sorts of weird stuff that was all the elite CEOs across the world so that's weird

that's super weird but I also think it's both I think there's like people like George Soros or

whatever like China call shots by donating money to certain organizations yeah you know it's a

dirty game but at that end of the day it's all tied to money yeah oh for sure when you look back

at everything and why people are doing what they're doing why they're funding wars yeah in certain

agendas yeah I mean you take it wasn't it almost anybody that seems like they're against war

and the military industrial complex they get elected and then over a little bit of time now they're

for it's just it's just happened over and over again it's like it's just so clear that like no

once they get in there and they get involved with that and they see the money all of a sudden they're

well we probably should do it here when you look at it for an eight I mean think about

how much money they make off that oh it's it's crazy it's a ludicrous amount yeah like yes it's

yeah it's easy to talk a big game before you have the button to just call shots I think

and money corrupts everyone absolutely yeah that power corrupts power and money yeah yeah power

corrupts an absolute power corrupts absolutely yeah yeah and you see lawyers you see every

perfection they get low power hungry sometimes and then it corrupts them right and then you see

these lawyers chasing these huge settlements and just getting litigious yeah yeah it's a dirty

thing and they always need more it's never enough it's never enough even if you said this is

enough once you hit it you're like I was wrong I really actually need you can have a billion

dollars still wouldn't be enough yeah that's what I realized because I used to say that like when I

hit this amount for me it was a hundred K then it was a million then it was 10 million my happiness

level never changed man but you got to like go through it yeah it's and have you have you

gotten to the point where you don't feel like that needs to keep moving or is it still continuing to

I still want more but I'm at the point now where more doesn't impact my life the way used to

okay so like the change from like a hundred K to a millionaire was a big change like you

could buy a house you could take care of all expenses you don't look at the bill ever at restaurants

but now if I were to make like a couple extra million like what am I gonna spend it on like my

life's not gonna change that much you know what I mean I already got a really nice house about

to get married you know do you agree with that yeah yeah I feel like that incremental the higher you go

like the incremental enjoyment that you get it's getting smaller way smaller yeah some of the

biggest jumps were when I was like broke to like 10 K yeah that was a huge jump you know yeah I was

eating Chipotle every day then to make 10 K a month or 10 K at the couple months was a huge yeah

but yeah now it's like what I did yeah like if I were to get offered millions I've been offered

millions someone just offered 30 million for the podcast and I'm like you know but that wouldn't

like that wouldn't change my life because like first of all I'm not that materialistic like I just

love food that's my biggest expense yeah I'll eat like all types of food but what am I gonna

spend 30 million on yeah okay if you like food do you like cookies yeah if they're soft I don't

like them when they're hard because I I'm kind of into cookies I do these little cookie review

things once a week oh yeah do you have like a cookie place that you know I actually just went

super viral because one of my guests exposed crumble cookies oh is it I saw a clip on on Instagram

where she talked was it Alex Clark yeah okay I think I saw that yeah well I do not like crumble cookies

for too sweet the everyone I have I just think I shouldn't ever have one again yeah I feel terrible

they're way too sweet no I like I'm pretty healthy actually so I like just quality cookies minimal

ingredients okay you know I'm not really into all that like have you seen an ingredient list from

crumble yeah yeah yeah I looked at the thing it was insane yeah yeah I like warm soft are you

soft they're hard for cookies I like them soft yeah I like them soft yeah some people like them hard

no no I like them fresh right out the oven soft homemade that's my cookie okay nice what about you

yeah no I I love to get them fresh and if they're if I take them home and then they're kind of

cooled down I will pop them in the microwave right it's nice and warm yeah yeah cookies are good

I'm a dessert tier list they're they're definitely up there but I'm a cheesecake guy okay

cheesecake is a tier for me yeah like a good cheesecake I do like cheesecake so good yeah

yeah next time you're in Vegas I'll put you on to this one spot I love I mean the I like

what do you like the cheesecake factory cheesecake oh okay oh you like that I will eat it but the

thing is is they're like the one I likes about 1800 calories yeah and it's too much I feel like

okay this is my daily calories it's one so where's the place in Vegas that you like it's called

it's called it's called he's already been on the pod so I'll show them how it's called tasty

tea's cheesecake okay Floyd made where there's a former bodyguard his wife makes them at their house

you have to like order them online or text them it's like kind of low key but oh my god the P camp

I won the regular one so I okay I have to have when you fly in I'll preorder a whole bank for you

and we'll try it out so good dude what's your oh I love asking people this question if you can

only eat one cuisine the rest of your life you had to eat it every day which cuisine would it be

do you mean like different like Italian Japanese American food Mediterranean Indian

I kind of am just old school American food I like wow no one's ever given that answer

mashed potatoes gravy wow just turkey chicken I'm I'm shocked I know that's probably really boring

but people rank American food really low when I ask them for their top cuisines when I go on

vacation and I'm kind of off of my normal eating plan I usually will have a hamburger almost

every day or every other day because I don't normally have those just because I'm trying to

not eat more healthy but what your favorite what do you think the best burger spot is like fast

food burger spot oh man I hardly ever have burgers here because I'm actually somewhere else when

I can actually have one but I'm teaming in and out oh they're good they're good I used to be

five guys but I feel like in and out better right now five guys they have really good fries don't

think I don't eat fries but I heard I hardly ever can have them but when I do I enjoy yeah I used

to eat burger king every day but I feel like they'd gone downhill I haven't had yeah way back when

I was first started it was a lawyer I'd hit McDonald's and Burger King and just they were I liked

them but I was gaining a little bit of weight I think we don't I finally figured out oh I can't

eat that stuff yeah my metabolism won't just burn the stuff off I have to I have to be pretty much

dialed in with I can't eat more than this I'm gonna start to have tight pants again

as a lawyer you got to look good too you don't want to look too yeah I don't hire fat lawyers

it's just for me it's like really important if you're representing me to care about yourself yeah

that shows me that you care yeah if you don't care about yourself why would you care about me

if you ever had new lawyers walk in and one of them was overweight and you just were like hey

I wish I could say I have that be a legendary story but no by the time I meet them in person I

feel like I already seen them on like social media or something so okay you know that'd be so

hilarious yeah I don't I don't want for fat people really come on good shape like that what are

you doing yeah yeah there's so many good so much good information now on how to be healthy

from diet to workout ideas yeah like if you're fat at this point oh there if you have like a

medical condition that's one thing yeah but I think it's a choice for most people yeah I've

definitely learned a ton over the years where I've kind of dialed in more and more so yeah well

did um where can people support you find you come to your future shows and oh man uh my

Instagram is Wesley dot Austin 2 and then YouTube is just Wes Austin the channel those two are my

big places to go so perfect yeah we'll link them below man now I'll try to catch you if you ever

perform in Vegas oh yeah thank you that'll be great I'll tackle you in the crowd well and I

want to have some cheesecake either before okay done all right check them out guys

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