What a Tragedy!!!!! Ashlee Jenae / Tanner Horner

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intrusive into people's personal life.

I'm not a lawyer, but...

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of I'm Not a Lawyer, but...

I am Melanie, aka, I'm not a lawyer, but...

And I'm joined by my co-host.

We are not lawyers or legal experts, but we have this podcast. We talk about legal things and

y'all sometimes send in objections and talk about legal things as well.

Because I ain't a lawyer. Well, some of y'all are lawyers. I see comments.

I got some lawyers in here, but for the non lawyers, we have all the opinions and then the real

lawyers educate us on why we're wrong with our opinions.

Let's get into...

Actually, I said I only wanted to talk about Athena Strand, which I do.

That case has pissed me off royally. But before we get there,

the Ashley Janay, the girl who's missing, not missing. She's deceased.

The influencer, black influencer, young, pretty girl, went to Tanzania.

Yep, Tanzania.

To celebrate her birthday with her fiance, who...

I'm not sure if his actual ethnicity appears to be white, that it's appearing only.

I'm not sure if there's anything else there.

But she went and he's older from what I understand.

They go on this trip. It's a birthday trip celebrating her birthday.

After an argument, the two get in some kind of argument at their hotel,

to the point where hotel staff put him in a different room.

And why wouldn't it thumbs down, amen?

Well, I'm telling that story. That's appropriate. I just don't know why it happened.

But so she gets moved to a different room.

And at some point, he comes back to her room with security.

And when they go inside, they find her dead.

She has hung herself is what they're saying.

And so he has been questioned by the Tanzanian police law enforcement

just as like a witness at this point.

It doesn't seem like he is being suspected of anything.

Actually, there is a...

The Tanzanian police released a post on Facebook, which I have to have.

Well, at this point, we all know that the husband, the boyfriend,

the closest people to you are suspects, until they're not suspects.

We're saying that there is a post from the Tanzanian law enforcement.

So it's not the best visual.

But it goes on to say incident involving a woman identified as Ashley Jenae,

also known as Ashley Jenae, influencer on social media, age 31.

Why would they give her passport number?

Where she tried to hang herself using a belt of clothes that she tied in a wardrobe,

which I'm assuming is a closet in room number 25 of that hotel,

taken to the hospital, obviously, and then passed away.

She had gotten there on April 4, for tourism, for a vacation with Joseph McCann,

who is 45 years old. That's her fiance.

And again, she's 31, so this is 14-year difference.

American citizen who was said to be her, I suppose we heard, lover fiance.

They stayed at one hotel for two days and then moved to the second hotel on the third day.

And that's where the incident occurred.

And then here's where it talks about the cause of the incident is related to the misunderstanding

between Ashley and her lover.

Where according to the management of the Ziri hotel, the two seem to not have a good understanding

and sent the management of the hotel to separate the rooms, actually remained in room 25,

Joseph was removed to room 65 for the safety of each other.

And then it goes on to say that Joseph continues to be questioned by the police and his travel

document, his passport is being withheld. However, an investigation into this advice is still

ongoing, including awaiting information from a professional examination from doctors.

So that is the thing. If it really was not, if she didn't die from

asphyxiation, right, being not being able to breathe because that would be the point of hanging.

If that is not your cause of death and it's something else, then you're going to have a problem.

However, when people be not overseas, then cases don't be always having a conclusion.

When Americans, lives are taken overseas, the results, the conclusions don't always happen the way

they hardly ever have in the way that they do actually in the US. So I am very curious how this

is going to play out simply because it's in another country. Yeah, that other, yeah, being overseas is

wow, because you don't know what they're thinking. Well, yeah, it'd be different and they don't have

to do anything. They don't have to do anything. And I mean, I don't know, but it just seems like

other countries law enforcement don't really be enforcing laws that much, that good.

It's just different. It just feels very different. That's a generalized statement that's probably

unfair and low key, their countries are different than ours. So maybe the way that they do it is

different. But I just, it seems like it's just, it's very different. And I think about the case of

Chiang Quila Robinson, right? The girl who went on vacation with her friends to Mexico for that trip.

There's video of clearly there's a fight. This girl ends up dead and nothing's happened with that

case. You know what I'm saying? And the mom over here, Chiang Quila's mom is over here trying to fight

and trying to have something happen. And our law enforcement is like, that's not our jurisdiction.

It didn't happen here. And they over there are like, well, we tried. It's just

yeah, very different. And so I, I don't, my natural response is I don't have a lot of hope that

a true investigation that will give her parents answers will happen with this case,

because they just don't be happening like that. It seems in my opinion, in my opinion.

And in my opinion, that man has something to do with it. For sure, for sure. You just,

it's so interesting. I'm getting tired of these of this, this hanging stuff.

I can almost guarantee you that the number of black women killing themselves are lower than any

other. So there is data to suggest that black women had a lower amount of like we had, we had

lower suicide rates. Yes. Compared to other people, I don't even know like the actual comparison,

like what the other demographic of people that it would compare to. But I do believe that

generally speaking, the black women had lower rates of suicide than other people, other demographics.

However, I was reading some research that said over the last two decades that those numbers

have increased black women have been their, the rates have increased. Not to say that it is now

the same as other demographics, because I don't know that. I'm not saying that, but I was just reading

research that said that the numbers have increased. But I think the overall point you're making

that black women's rates historically have been lower than other people. I would venture to say

that that is probably accurate. And women, period, don't commit suicide as much as men. And they don't

do it brutally, usually it's with peels or they like. And a different way. You know,

finding, you're not finding a belt clothing, making a knot. And then it is a very, I mean,

that we should have said sugar warning anyway, because you know, there are obviously we're talking

about like suicide, but it is a very like brutal slow way to, to go. Yes. Then you have to find

something to hold your weight. Yeah. Like you're, you're thinking of this, this is not, I get in a

argument. I'm angry and I'm just like, oh, you grab a gun and it's quick. Yeah. You don't walk

around or figuring out how to tie this up. And it's just very bizarre. And most people

mind you, most people do not know how to tie. You're not making a noose. No one knows how to do

that. You wouldn't know. I don't know how to make a noose. But there's to wait to loop something

to where when you put your weight on it, it won't, it tightens. Yeah. Yeah. No one makes knots.

The average person doesn't know, doesn't know how to make a certain knot like that. Yeah. So

and then a belt or no, I know that is very bizarre. Come on. It is very bizarre. And on this

birthday trip, and when you say in general, there was an argument prior to to the point they had

to be separated according to the law enforcement for their safety. I think we got a different

problem. We got it. There's more investigation required here. I just worry that it's not going to

happen. And he will be released and he will go home and that will be the end of that. It seems

like he is still there right now, because this passport is being with help. Well, that

according to that statement, it seems like he, you know, it's being withheld because he's still

this passport is being withheld. But if he ends up coming home, good luck. Literally, you can

point to the Shanquila Robinson case. Good luck. That mother, her mother is suing them. And they are

have been arguing for how long that this is not the proper place for this lawsuit to take place

because it did not happen here. So even in this case, should, you know, he not be prosecuted

criminally, should her family decide to the state decide to sue him, you still would run into

jurisdiction issues. Doing it overseas creates a lot of problems. It's really sad. I'm very sad.

The she does not have a warrant. If someone in the comments is saying, I think you're talking about

Shanquila Robinson. She the main person in that case did change her name. She is not

well in Mexico. Yes, but she their, our country America is not extra-diting her back. She is

free to be here. And again, that's again, the issues, right? So you are correct. There is a warrant

in Mexico for the girl related to the Shanquila Robinson case. But she's not in Mexico. She's in

America. And America has already said they're not going to extradite her back. So she's living her

life. And then when it comes to the civil lawsuit, yeah. So anyway, I, I think this is such a bizarre,

it's bizarre, but it's also very much not because I think a lot of people in a lot of commentary

online has had voice opinions in the fact that this don't, this ain't given what they say and

is given. Something else happened here, but it doesn't seem like it'll ever, you know, be solved.

We'll see though. We're South of the very early stages.

Yeah, yeah, I want to see. Yeah. Okay, let's move on. That was a quick little segment before we

went to talk about Tanner Horner. So I introduced this case last week. And I intended not to talk

much about it because it involves children. And that's not my jam. I don't like cases with children.

And the thing that got me interested was the fact that originally the story was Tanner Horner

had backed his UPS or FedEx truck into this seven year old girl at the in a strand on accident. He

then had a fear of losing his job and freaking out. He put her in the truck and then took her life.

Trigger warning, this is we talking about harm to children. Okay. So obviously first day of the trial,

he pleads guilty instead of going through the trial, but they still have to go through the

sentencing phase because he is facing life in prison without parole or the death penalty. So I was

just kind of curious on how it would go. I ended up doing a day one recap day two recap day three

recap. And I haven't done we are now on day seven. So I haven't done the recap in four days.

And I'm probably not going to. Okay, I've gotten comments on every platform of people being like,

girl, why you stop? Because I shouldn't have did it in the first place. Or I should have just

did one video at the very end because it is so traumatic, traumatizing, heavy, sad heart breaking

every word you can think of. That's what this is. And to because it's harmed to a child.

Yeah. But when you add on, so you have that level of just heartbreak. And then you add on

Tanner Horner. Who is this vile disgusting human being? Who?

No sympathy. At initially, right in opening statements, his attorneys, and I think I said this

last week, his attorneys are like, his mama was a stripper, his mama drink alcohol when she was

pregnant. He has as burgers. And he was exposed to a massive amount of lead. So those are mitigating

circumstances, mitigating reasons as to why you jurors should not send him to death, but instead

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So I go in thinking that's what we're going to hear about. Instead, what you are immediately

told is that Tanner Horner believes his disassociative identity disorder, I think is what it's called.

He believes that he has this alter ego person inside of him whose name is zero. And zero is

actually the person who committed this crime. And so upon hearing that, right, when you are told

that, it's kind of like, wait, what? You're kind of listening. And then they play this video,

the body cam footage of this amazing Ranger. Shout out to Job Espanosa, Ranger Espanosa. I like him.

He did an amazing job. I like him. He eventually plays into alter ego zero because he's just trying

to find this baby girl. And he does this amazing job and he kind of plays into it. I haven't

jumped to the wrong person this whole time. I need to talk to Steve. And so they eventually

discover her body. But what is so infuriating is the way Tanner is tapping quote-unquote into

this alter ego. And so one of the questions I was having, and we have some objections, which I

hope people talk about or give opinions on. One of the biggest questions I had was,

is this how this associative identity disorder works? Can you have an alter ego and just tap into them

conveniently? Can someone just walk up to you and be like, hey, I know you're in like Melanie mode,

but can you tap into Ashley mode? We want to talk to Ad. Can you just be?

Here she is. Like, it just don't seem like that's real. So anyway, those are the things I needed to

start off with saying you have something to add initially. I don't believe that this man has

a split personality at all. I believe it's fake, right? Yes. Most definitely. You're not

right? Okay. You grabbed the young lady as zero, right?

Does zero, how long did zero stay zero until you unalived her?

So zero was the one that did all the crime. His hands over the camera. Zero was the one

that decided to drive her here, drive her there, do whatever. And then after zero finished,

what what happened? Yeah. Did you wake up and yeah. And and if you as a person are not as

vial as zero is, right? If Tanner is an upstanding citizen and zero is the demon,

when you went back to being Tanner, why aren't you called a cop? Why aren't you exactly? You

ain't feel bad. And then when the police came to you, right? And asked you about it. His first

response to them was, I don't remember, I don't remember delivering that package. What's your

and then they come back to him and he's like, you know what? I did see a truck. There was this green

van. So he sends the officers on this goose chase of this vehicle that does not exist and to top

it off. He has a child. He has a son. And he's so disgustingly asks these officers to let him

free to go be with his son for Christmas. Give me give me a month. He said, give me a month.

You can put cameras in front of my house. You can monitor me. I want to spend Christmas with

my family. Now see that. Oh my gosh. That I would convince to me, okay, this dude is sick.

Something is off. That you would even think that's appropriate to ask. So he's sick in the head

somewhere. Whatever it is, this dude is completely off. I commend the officers for not just snapping

and slapping this guy. I know, right? What he did deserved a ask with it. Yeah. Like,

they, man, this, this, yes, he deserved an ask with it. But for him to, like you said, for him to

uh, uh, X for zero. And then he, you know, yeah, like they say, he'd come back and say, Oh,

what happened? Right. Yes. I was in the back seat. And from what I understand that is like a way

to describe people who have that disorder, how it may feel, um, just in some googling. I'm not a

psychiatrist or doctor. So I don't know this particularly. But from what I was googling, that is a

way that people who experience that or who have that disorder can describe it as feeling like

in the backseat of the, this other personality kind of taking over. And so you're kind of watching it

but have no control. But then I'm like, well, the same way I googled it, he googled it because

that way he's talking about like, I don't, I just, it's so, it's the, it's a terrible, terrible case.

And day four, this is where I stopped. I stopped on day four because day four was, um, testimony

about when law enforcement officers were able to go into the truck he used to abduct her. Okay,

they got access to search warrant and all of that. And so they are showing some of the supplies

that are in this truck. And some of it looks like just things that would be in a UPS truck because

you have packages. So like cords and bungee, the core, you know, and stuff like that. But then when

you realize as they're showing these items, that these are things that were used on this child

in her death, it becomes way more than just cords for packages, right? And so I was like, this

is actually a lot. I'm not going to watch this. I'm not going to recap it. I'll be back on day five.

That's how I started. So day five comes and I'm like, okay, here we go. Except for day five,

he has written a letter to, he being Tanner writes a letter that they found in his cell

addressed to her family, addressed to a strand's Athena family. And he also has written a letter

addressed to the detectives. And it literally is like detectives only. And he describes this other

man, older gentleman who had a rifle who was also involved. And he's like, please don't tell the

media this, but there was another person involved in this. When I was at the house, he was also there

and he made me hand Athena over to him. So now he's pivoted from zero, right? And his host,

and now he's made up this other person who he says is involved. And in the letter to the family,

he's like, I'm so sorry, this happened, but like my son's going to miss out on me being in his life

also. So it's very, it's disgusting. So I was like, maybe I can do a recap video and include

these letters because like whatever. But then they keep playing the day keeps going day five.

And they play some jail calls of his. Yeah, some jail calls of him, one in particular, I think he

was talking to his mother. And he says on the jail call, he always wanted to be famous. He just

didn't think it was going to be like this or something like that. And so at that moment, I said,

I'm not recapping this because if what he wanted out of this was fame, I don't want to contribute

to that. I'm not, I don't want to participate in continuing to make you famous and doing a daily

recap on you because go to hell, right? So then I was like, okay, maybe day six. And then day six,

yesterday, they have the medical examiner on this van. And if you want to cry,

go listen to this medical examiner, talk about the bruising, the injuries on the seven-year-old.

At some point, she basically says there's not a point or a part of her body that was not injured,

that did not have a bruise. And I was like, I'm not making another video on this.

This is like torturous to me. I can't even imagine her family having to be in a courtroom and listen

to that. This is at this point, honestly, honestly. I don't even want him to get the death penalty.

That feels too kind. Give him life. Let him in there. Let him in there with the people.

Hey, all bets are off. I don't even, why are we doing this? Let him in there. I'm okay with him

just being in there. So yeah, go ahead. I agree with you on that because I mean, none of us know

what happens after you die. But if you're in jail forever, people can handle business in there.

You can suffer in there. And that's what the purpose behind, that's what I will want you to do.

I will want you to suffer. No way she did. At some point, they asked the medical examiner

what did she die like a painful death and the medical examiner who was amazing. I always

am a fan of medical examiner's a way that they like compose themselves on the stand and how they

are like very particular and intentional about the things that they say, how they say it. But also

very respectful. It's like they never, I can't even imagine having like dealing with dead bodies

as your career. I can't imagine how you become numb to that. Like I can, I can only imagine

you become numb. Yeah, yeah, you've got to become numb to it. What I've always appreciated is

regardless of how numb the medical examiner's probably are to doing this, they always appear on

the stand as if they have compassion and sympathy and they recognize that this was not just a body.

This was a person. This is somebody who has loved ones and who people loved and you know,

and so she is up there and they ask her that question, did she die of painful death?

And the medical examiner initially, you can tell is in her like, I'm only going to answer very

specific questions. I don't want to speculate. I can't. I can only tell you what I can tell you.

And so she's like, well, I, and then she says, in my opinion, yes, she did. And it was just such a

like human moment. You could see that she, she got out of Emmy mode and went into

these, it is speculation, but I looked at this, the bruising on this child and this was a death

that no one should have to go through. So it was just a, I was like, literally on the verge of tears,

this is, this is the most disgusting case. I hate it. I hate everything about it. And I don't,

I can't even watch really. I do want to hear what evidence is going to be put on regarding

his mental health, right? Like I, I, I just out of curiosity, the legal curiosity,

like, what are you going to say? But when it comes to the details and the specifics of the actual

case, it's just heavy too much. Yeah. I think medical examiners, they're not, I think emotionally,

they're numb to like showing that emotion. Yeah. I don't think they ever become numb to that

feeling of wow, like this is, this really happened. Yeah. But they are able to compose their,

their, their facial features on like, I know that woman wanted to be like, yes, she,

yeah, you're talking about all these bruises. My question is, did he sexually assault her? So,

they asked him repeatedly, he repeatedly said he did not. In the opening statements, the prosecutor

said, his DNA is where it shouldn't have been on the 70 year old, the prosecutor said that in

opening, right? And so up until this point, they hadn't really gotten into, I hadn't seen them

get into somebody who was telling me earlier that somebody has testified about it, but it seems

like they have a DNA analyst who's going to testify today, today is Wednesday, who is going to

speak more specifically about the DNA part. Apparently, there were some swabs, you know, taken of her.

I forgot who was shot out to the Patreon, but she was telling me that yeah, that is what happened.

So, it seems like it already has been mentioned, but whoever this DNA analyst that's coming up

is going to be more definitive about that. It seemed, that's how it seems. I don't plan to watch

because just like you're saying, there's the assumption is that's what happens. You know what I'm

saying? Like the assumption is and not to mention, they also had a girl yesterday, an additional witness

speak about it completely unrelated to this case about what he did to her. So, this is not the first

time. No. And so, it's like, again, the thing that the jurors have to decide, the first question is,

is he an ongoing threat to the society? And if they say yes, then the next question is, is there

some mitigating reason, mitigating factor as to why he should get a wap instead of the death penalty?

But when you think about that first question, is there, is he an ongoing threat to society?

Outside of this being a heinous crime, disgusting, the worst kind, right?

One of the commentators I was watching was talking about the, that this is a crime of opportunity.

Yes. And when you consider crimes of opportunity, that is an indication that

that you aren't ongoing threat should another opportunity present itself. It's not about I have a

specific issue with you. And so, I am, you know, doing this crime against you for that reason.

That's what I was thinking. Then you can argue, okay, you may not do this again because the person

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But here we are just talking about crime of opportunity. You just happen to be in that location

delivering a package. This, this could happen again. And I think that's such a good point regarding

the ongoing threat, right? In addition to this other person already testifying that you did it to her.

So this ain't your first time. And apparently the prosecutors are also going to present evidence

that he had stalked Athena. He had been around there the day before. He had been surveilling her

in another girl the day before. So again, this is not this is so it's so much more calculated.

But with opportunity that I just feel like all the arguments in the mitigating factors go out the

window. Yeah, he should. Oh, two other people. I thought it was just one. Apparently two other people

testified about him assaulting them. Not just the one. So imagine. Well, you can't know

when you're mad. Well, yeah, imagine imagine how many houses and how many people he sees on

his route. Yeah, each and every route. And I don't know how long he has been a driver. But if he's

been doing this for five, 10 plus years, is he connected to any other missing girls, missing

persons case? Yeah, because you get to you're there every day from eight to 10 hours a day,

you're driving around looking for that opportunity. It's so disgusting. It's crazy. It's just like

with truck drivers, they they look at truck drivers routes based on missing persons cases because

they're everywhere at any point in time. So I would they should look deep down him, take a deep dive

and see if he's been driving for a while and see all his routes and see if any other children in that,

yeah, or have been missing. Yeah, it is. Oh, go ahead. He should get I think he should get the

depth penalty without a doubt. But to your point, he should suffer that he should put him

in jail without sheets, covers, restrooms, whatever it is, let him suffer because you you just can't

yeah, you just can't take his life because it's not going to be it's not going to be it's not

going to satisfy anything. And you know, the other thing that is so upsetting and maybe they're not

trying to do it in this way, but as a layperson watching the way it comes across, right? When you say

he has assburgers and he got led and you know, when you use that in your defense, in your argument

as the defense team, it comes across as a layperson that you are trying to blame it on that, right? Like

you as the attorney are trying to say it's because he has this takes some pity on him. He wouldn't

it did he wouldn't it but for. And that's also really unfair because there are people, right,

who are on the spectrum on the autism spectrum who who have assburgers and have other types of

autism that would never do that have never done this. That and so again, I don't I don't think that

is what they're trying to argue, right? The more I listen to it, I'm like, I don't think they're

blaming it on that, but as a layperson hearing it, that's how it comes across. And it's it's so unfair

to try and blame it. Yeah, those conditions to Coretta and the Patreon, those conditions don't

make you a criminal. They don't make you do these things. So there's no I'm not sure if there's no other

way to look at those comments. They're blaming it on that. I wouldn't even bring it up if I'm

not blaming it on that. Yeah. And then to say that and then to have you can say we're all on the

spectrum one side or the other, but we know normal people that have done crazy or things. So

what you're going to say he's normal. Well, there are people who are not diagnosis having been on

the spectrum and are performing heinous acts. So all the time. Yeah, I just hate the idea that this is

that's the correlation they're trying to make. I just anyway. All right. That's what I have to

say. I hate talking about that case. I needed to get that out because we've been because I started

covering it. So I wanted people to know in case you're like, what happened to your videos? Because

I got actually a lot of good feedback on the videos in the sense of people being like, I feel like

you're really covering this in a respectful way. Like I appreciate how you're doing it. So I

appreciated those comments and I know people have been like, you just stopped and I did because it

got that's it got to the point of why I hate kids cases. If I could only talk about the legal

side of it and we skip over the details of it, I'm okay. But once you get you, there's always going

to be a medical examiner and somebody dies. There's always going to be a medical examiner in the trial

and I can't. So what we need to do as a people come on as a people when you got to keep your eyes on

your kids period because I know for a fact this happened yesterday. Me and McKinley were outside

practicing and her volleyball went over the went over the gate or went over the stone wall. You

can't see over the stone wall. It's not you can't see through it. So I don't know what's on the other

side. We're in a gated community. So I'm like, cool. She runs around the house to go get the ball.

As she does that, Amazon truck goes down this way and all I thought about was all shit

that FedEx driver crime opportunity. My daughter's on that side made me paranoid is it. And now it's

it's a given. So I'm not letting my eyes off my kids. No, I'm not getting comfortable, you know,

because you look out the window. You see Amazon FedEx trucks people the man even the

the contractors that deliver for Amazon and their own car. Yeah. So I they're allowed everywhere.

You know, I have I will say this case did make me realize how unassuming I believe these people

to be like that I just I'm like, oh, there's a driver. I don't even think twice about it. There is no

man. And this case may be feel like, oh, girl, this is the way you get caught slipping. This is

exactly how because they're so unassuming. You just think they out here doing what they do.

And a person who recognized that and wants to take advantage can ubers, lifts,

over. Everything. You like, oh, that's that's just over. Yeah. They coming out your driveway

at a certain point of time at night. Oh, there's just a overdrive. Don't even realize. Don't even

you don't look at the car. You don't look at the face of the view. You don't get the license plate

because they're all they're just they just doing the job and they driving off. Yeah.

Got your baby in the trunk. Man, sometimes when I have that thought when I'm getting into an uber,

I'm like, you don't even know this person. You're just getting in here trusting and hoping that

it's all going to be okay. I have that thought all the time. I low-key be not really trying to

get into ubers the more because I'm like, this is actually really crazy that we are just

getting in people's cars that we don't know. That's actually crazy. Share your ride with me.

Share your ride with me. And if she don't get to her destination by a certain time,

I'm calling. Hey, what's up? What's up? What's up? Because

who would have known this guy was doing this? I know. How do you figure this stuff out before it

happens? You don't. You don't. I share my ride too. But I also think about them. You can share your ride.

I mean, yeah. And then what? Yeah. Like, you shared it and now somebody knows that you're dead

on they know where to find you, but they they're not going to stop it. You know what I'm saying?

They're not going to be able to carry it. I'm not carrying it. You don't see?

I'm not carrying it. Also, I'll be going in court rooms, court houses. They take it and put it

in the cubby or whatever. I need to the person who has been taking me to the courthouse. I'm

actually I'm good with now. I feel I don't know him, but I feel better at least in the community.

So I feel like yeah, we could find him. But at the same time, when I leave though,

I just call it a person. Yeah. And it's tear. I always I'll be out there like making sure I got

the thing. I'll be on the like I do all of those things. But that's in the moment. That's not

going to stop it from happening. If it's you know what I'm saying? Like that. And it gets you some

pepper spray. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, um, let's go. I'm going to play the first objection, which is

going to have to do with this case. Okay. I'm not alone. You're bad and goose dead. I love

watching y'all so much every week. I watch y'all every Friday. I call it in to talk about the

Turner Horner situation. Okay. I have a background in working with adults with disability.

I have taken care of people most of my life. I have worked in facilities, group homes. I have

worked with people that are high on the spectrums all the way to where they have jobs and children

and all the way to nonverbal. Something that I noticed in the facility and I'm not trying to be

ogre is that some of the clients would sneak off and have sex. I am saying this because

there are adults and that is a natural feeling. But the part that always got me is that they

would sneak off. I say all of that to say if you didn't think that what you were doing was wrong,

then you would not conceal it. In my experience, they would conceal these things. So I said all that

to say. I don't care if he has ass burgers. I don't care what part of the spectrum that he's on or

what kind of medication that he takes. He knows right from wrong. He did the wrong thing. And he's

blaming it on another personality. Well, charge his ass twice and both of y'all go to jail.

It's a sting. That ending was perfect. Charge him twice then. Amen to that.

If he's in there, put him in there too. And if there's a third one, we'll do it three times.

Yes. All the y'all can go to hell to jail and to hell. All three. No, that was good. And thanks

for sharing that. Thanks for watching. And thanks for sharing that bit about working in

that space with people who that was always that was my thing when I was making the video.

Like I really wanted to hear from people who are in this space who experience it. I just don't

have the experience to be able to speak from a place of like knowledge. I don't know. So thanks for

sharing. Let's go to the second one. Hey y'all, recent subscriber. Love what you're doing,

especially how impartial and factual you work to be. I've got objections about the Tanner

Horner case. And I'm going to try to get it all in in 90 seconds. My first objection is to some

of the misinformation in the comments around the Society of Identity Disorder. I've been an educator

about this condition for the better part of a decade now. Just to be quick about it, DID is real.

It does exist and it's not new. Childhood drama is the most known cause, but not the only one.

Some people do have some control over when they switch between altars and not everyone will have

total memory loss with DID. Evil altars aren't a part of this condition. DID is kind of like

mentally conjoined twins. Altars are just normal people sharing a body. My main objection though

is with Tanner's lying ass. Batman is a pathological liar. He lied to the cops every step of the way

from the green van he supposedly saw to killing her with his work truck to where he left her body

after she was gone. Zero is just another way for him to dodge accountability. If Tanner was innocent

and didn't remember what happened, he wouldn't have been trying so hard to mislead the cops.

If he could remember, but had no control over zero, but he still knew it was wrong,

he wouldn't have lied and hit it. Even if we still man his argument and believe he has DID,

which I do not, he had to be okay with what happened to be covering it up now.

If you're conjoined twin commits murder and then you help them get away with it,

both of you need locking up because you can't be trusted in society.

That was great. That was. I lowkey want you to call back because I feel like I need to replay it

and replay it slower because what she said is when you had the DID order is real and she didn't

she say some people can control when they go back and forth. I didn't catch it. I feel like I

feel like that's what I'm going to play it again. But she also said that it's not an evil alter.

She's saying alter, which I'm assuming is alternate personality. That's what I'm taking that as.

And so if she's saying it's not an evil, it's not like the good, the good and evil on your shoulder.

It's just the another you. So for him to be trying to portray this as

zero is my bad side. He does all the crimes and I'm the good one.

What she said, that's not how it works. It's just conjoined twins where there's two of you.

You know what I'm saying? Who? So that was really interesting. She did sound like, hey, I know.

Let me let me play it again really quickly.

Hey, y'all, recent subscriber. Love what you're doing, especially how impartial and factual

you work to be. I've got objections about the Tanner Horner case and I'm going to try to get it

all in in 90 seconds. My first objection is to some of the misinformation in the comments

around associated identity disorder. I've been an educator about this condition for the better

part of a decade now. Just to be quick about it, DID is real. It does exist and it's not new.

Childhood drama is the most known cause, but not the only one. Some people do have some control

over when they switch between altars and so that was what it was. Some people do have control

over when they switch between the altars. Also, the thing she said right before that, which is

interesting is childhood trauma is one of the causes of it. That's so interesting because I,

the other question I would have is like, is it hereditary? Like, where does it come from? And so

childhood trauma being a trigger or where it comes from, it's actually really fascinating.

If you're first of all, thank you for leaving an objection and for watching being a new subscriber,

I appreciate that. If you want to tell us more, send me an email info at I'm not a lawyer, but

I'd love to learn more about this. I think it's very fascinating and the fact that in your opinion,

what does she say? Tanner's lying as the fact that you believe he is lying about it,

which I do too, but it's good to hear someone who, again, it has experience in this and understands

this, able to be like, no, he lied. Okay, we have one more that I'm going to play.

Hello, I'm not a lawyer, but I have an objection. I have one from Mr. Gooseby. It's a question

about snitching. My question is we have two dealers. One named Stanley, one named Keith.

Keith beats up Stanley because Keith wants Stanley's spot. So Stanley's girlfriend is a beaten

up Keith and Stanley is upset about that. So he caused a police on Keith. Is that still considered

snitching? And my other issue is with the stride case. If he gets death sentence, how long does

it take to carry out the sentence and can a family request that he be putting Jim pie with like a

letter on his back saying what his crimes actually were? Thank you. Let me answer the second part

first. As we know, death penalty cases take a very, very long time. You can almost guarantee

there's going to be an appeal. Okay. And so just know, even when he's sentenced, it will take a while

for the executions who actually happened. Should it eventually happen? That's number one.

Number two, to the last part you asked about can the family request Jim pie? No. And can they

request his crimes beyond the back of his job suit? No, I also know. But for somehow,

some way, what we all know to be true is somehow some way inmates figure out what people's

charges are. And it's always really interesting to me that in a community right in a jail,

which is a community of criminals, I have quotations here, but in a community of people who are

labeled criminals who are the worst people in our community and our society, they still got

rules. I always find that to be so fascinating. Because here we all, we maybe, maybe I'm a murderer.

Sure. But I didn't do nothing to the no kids. And the fact that you did make you worse than me.

And now I'm about to see about you. I always think that that is fascinating that they got rules.

And you don't have to be seen about if you do some, hey, I can't say I'm against it. Okay. I be

hey, hey, hey, that might be the only rule they follow. And all the other rules snitching and

everything. But you mess with some children, some innocent kids. Yeah, they're gonna see about you.

Okay, go to the very oddly specific. You got a cousin, a brother, a boyfriend name,

Stanley a key. If you're in that light, if you're, if you're a dope boy criminal, whatever,

and you talk to the police, that is considered snitching. If you did something to my girl,

she's with me and she knows what I'm doing. And you, and you beat up my girl, and then I go to

the police and say, such a such beat up my girl, that's snitching. To me and to everybody else that's

living that lifestyle, what's done about the street life is that you're supposed to handle

these situations in the street. And the only way to handle it really, really, comfortably

is to take somebody's life because I'm not about to just beat you up and then walk around like

whoop to do, he ain't about to do anything to me or his friends aren't about to do anything to me.

Now you walk around Perino at all the time. So now that's why these young boys

be out here just shooting each other because how am I supposed to live comfortably or not

Perinoid knowing I just beat you up, you know, and, and we live this the crazy part. These guys

be living in the same neighborhoods. They sons be playing on the same t-ball league. You're

going to run into these fellas. So that's, that's what's crazy about it. But yes, if you're

in the streets, you handle, you're supposed to handle everything in the streets.

That was a flashback, by the way, just because we were talking the Tanner Horner. That was

obviously in regards to Gucci and Poox episode for Gucci and Poox. Yeah, that's that's

how they go. All right. Another scenario. Another scenario. But people that don't be

they be making it harder than what it really is. I'm going to give you a scenario. Joe blow is driving.

You got to use Keith and Stanley. Okay. Go ahead. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Jamie.

Jamie and John Jamie. Oh, you're really going to do us specifically. Yes, Jamie works a nine to five.

He's not in the streets. John is a dope boy. They're both driving down the street. Jamie knows

what John does. John knows what Jamie does. The police pull them over. Are they in the same car? They

in the same car. Okay. All right. John, the police pulled them out and find drugs on John's

side of the car. John is saying that ain't my stuff. Who's the law Biden citizen? Who's worse than

I know Jamie Jamie worse than I know five. John doesn't. Okay. Go ahead and John got the drugs. Okay.

Yes. So now the police officers like, well, this is a felony charge. You both are getting it.

Does Jamie, the driver say, oh, hell no. That's your job. John shouldn't let them take it. Yeah, he should.

Yeah. So would you, what people call Jamie a snitch? Or would they say, John is not a lawyer friend

that should be like, Amen. Should own up to where he has. I mean, he should. Not that it always

works, but he should. Yeah. And so how many times have you seen on on TV cops, for example,

they pull up a car full of dues and none of them on and up to the stuff that's in the car. So

yeah, it's all that whole street rule stuff. It's all crazy. So. Indeed.

All right. That's what I think we have for today. That disgusting case and then ending it with

some Gucci specifics. Thank you for watching, for tuning in. Make sure you follow. I'm not

lawyer, but on all platforms, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube. I mean, that's it. And like,

subscribe, do all the things. Keep your eyes open. Be aware of your surroundings. Like the song says,

um, what's the only thing that keeps these tracks on the train is knowing I'm a little crazy,

but the world's insane. All right. You can catch me on IG G O O L ZBY. The court is adjourned. Bye.