What Happened to Nancy Guthrie? My Latest Theory, Plus Savannah & Family Visit Nancy's Memorial

Where is Nancy Guthrie, this is the latest. We are going to explore all of the theories that have been presented so far.

I will give you my final thoughts as we are now rounding out one month since the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie and Savannah, Annie and Tomaso.

Just visited Nancy's home, just visited her memorial.

News Nation is boots on the ground. Lots to get into today. I hope you're ready for it. Let's dive.

This is no filter with Zach Peter. Your go-to source for all the latest pop culture and reality TVT SirFresh all week long.

Now let's dive in.

What's up everybody? Welcome on in, welcome on in, welcome on in, everybody in the club. What's going on? Happy Monday.

Hopefully you had a good weekend. Hopefully you had some fun. We did have a new episode of the tour tapes which dropped on Sunday.

So you can watch that if you're a member of no filter all access on Supercast. Then we did a special after show, which you guys can watch on Supercast right now.

Georgia who's in this most recent episode of the tour tapes. He sits down with me and we watch the episode together. We give our reactions and we also give you a bit more behind the scenes tea that you don't see in the final edits.

So yeah, that was fun. You can go on to Supercast if you're a member on Supercast. Then definitely go and give that some nerve. Go check it out, check it out, check it out.

And if you haven't go and watch the tour tapes available now on Spotify, you can also watch it here on YouTube.

So go check out the tour tapes episode three. Just drop this was probably our like most raw and vulnerable episode so far.

I feel like episode one kind of got into a lot of you know the backstory and the history and why this tour is so it's so special for me and why Dallas is so special for me.

And then obviously the Phoenix episode episode two that was really fun because we had all the subpoena drama that was unfolding episodes one and two.

This episode you see more of like the behind the scenes drama, the anxiety, the fears that I was having the struggles that we were having on tour.

There's a bit more vulnerability. I'm raw. I share the tea with you guys. I give you the behind the scenes scoop and also get into like the fears and anxieties and the craziness of being on tour and trying to juggle it all.

While also you know battling the internet as well. It's it's interesting. So it's a good episode. I think you'll enjoy it. I enjoyed it.

Then this Sunday we go to New York. That's going to be a fun episode.

You see us tackle New York. Then we tackle Chicago and then we tackle the final show in LA. And when I tell you the finale is so good.

It's probably my favorite episode of the entire series episode one's good episode three had some tea episodes four and five are fine.

But episode six is like the finale the best like that one is my favorite out so much you're going to laugh. You may cry.

It's going to be a really good conclusion to the tour tapes. So three episodes down three episodes to go stay tuned stay tuned.

Look at Mary X. Dean says loved it. Watched it as soon as it dropped yesterday by you she says you did your thing for sure. It's great. Thank you guys.

All right. I guess we can start with the family going to visit Nancy. So Brian and Tim just shared this. He's said that most people at this point have left.

They've left Arizona. They're not still there. So the family chose to come out today. This morning Savannah Guthrie her sister Annie her brother and lot to Maso they all visited the memorial that people had set up outside of Nancy's house with all the flowers and the letters and it's really sweet.

It's heartbreak, you know, and that's a lot of the comments are all saying this is so heartbreaking. This has got wrenching. You know, it's it's so sad. It's unsettling. It's, you know, it's unfortunate.

And I'm telling you right now we're going to get into today's we're going to get into the theories and what I think.

And I'm just warning you it might not be a comfortable episode to get through because we're actually going to explore all of the theories. We're going to get into what everybody has been saying.

We're going to get into what makes sense. What doesn't make sense about this case. All of that. I'm letting you know now I'm giving you my theories. I'm giving you my you know opinions about everything and we're going to get through this together.

It's going to be an interesting one. I'll tell you that right now because I really wanted to rack my brain around all the theories from Epstein cartel Trump to the family to neighbors to potential people that were targeting Nancy all of it.

And we're going to analyze it from a very objective lens. We're not going to come at this from an emotional place. We're not going to come at this from a salacious place.

We're not going to come at this wanting to incriminate anybody. We're going to explore what we have with the information that we have.

They're definitely watching you Zach because now they show up to that. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about what this family is up to.

And again, my intention is not to add any more like harm or grief onto their plate, but there are a lot of questions that we have. Yes, I was on Billy Bush this morning guys.

So be sure to tune in. That was really fun.

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So there may be some humor involved in it because listen, the world is heavy. The story is heavy. There's a lot that's going on in the world.

And the best thing that we can do is just try to bring a little light and levity to the darkness that's in it.

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Okay, let's get into it. Dun, dun, dun.

All right, so outside of the theories that we're presenting, there's not a whole lot of news that's happened. Brian Enten as we can see is still there.

Most of the press, I mean, even including like JLR investigates a lot of those people left. They are not there Monday morning.

So news nation kind of got the exclusive because Brian Enten decided to stick around. There's not a whole lot of buzz around Nancy got through so many more.

I mean, we know that they closed off the streets. There were signs that were coming up that we're telling people to, you know, leave the area so that the town can move on.

It was just kind of looking like everybody wanted this case to die down. Nobody wanted to keep looking for Nancy at this point. They were kind of just like, all right, it's time we move on. Right.

Where is Savannah's husband? I believe Savannah's husband is home in New York with the kids.

Okay, so no, I don't think JLR. I mean, if he's in Arizona, he certainly wasn't there for the money shot of the Guthrie family.

But one month into it, let's talk final theories because at this point, I feel like the case is kind of grown cold.

Unfortunately, but oh, Brian Enten says that he had to walk 30 minutes. Oh, he would have had to have walked 30 minutes to get to the crime scene or to get to Nancy's house, a possibly the crime scene.

But luckily, the neighbors, and that's what I'm saying, like even the neighbors wanted people to like come and keep trying to help Nancy.

They were like offering up their driveways for people like Brian Enten to come and park. There's that he doesn't have to park and walk 30 minutes just to get there. It's crazy.

Okay, so one month and let's talk theories. Also, just one more mind everybody. Everything presented today in this episode and on this podcast is for entertainment purposes.

Only my intent is never to defame or incriminate anybody. Obviously, this is very sensitive subject matter. So I want to be respectful. Well, also, you know, really diving into this and giving my thoughts in my opinion.

But again, this is for entertainment purposes only my intent is not to defame anyone. My intent is not to incriminate anybody or lie about them. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

But this is where we're at so far. 30 days in no arrests, no suspects, no real theories that have been provided by law enforcement.

And so now I've explored every theory from burglary gone wrong government cover up. I mean, at one point I was even like, listen, is this the setup is Nancy in on this to Nancy agreed to this, you know, I don't know.

And all of the leads kind of lead back to the same thing. So let's go through each of these different theories moving forward. Okay, theory number one is the burglary.

Because that seems to be something that people universally have agreed is like a logical theory here is the burglary. So that's where we're stuck burglary.

I don't think that this was a burglary gone wrong because we don't see any signs of forced entry. There's no windows that are smashed in, no locks that have been picked.

We've seen drone footage of the property and we've had reporters that were able to make their way up to Nancy got to his porch and onto her property.

So it doesn't appear to have been a burglary, right. If Brian and I was able to walk up and get photos of the blood splatter on her porch, he would have been able to see if those forced entry at the door.

The back door, which appears to have been a glass door, that didn't seem to have been broken in. So whoever it was, if this was, you know, somebody that entered the property and took Nancy out of the property, there's somebody that had an easy way in, right.

There was no signs of forced entry. There were no locks that appeared to have been picked.

We have no reports of anything that's been stolen except for the lady.

And again, who takes an elderly woman, who takes an old lady, nobody, it's too much of a liability.

And unless you know her personally, the body doesn't really matter to you, right. Unless there's physical evidence, right, which brings us to the next theory.

But at least for a burglary gone wrong theory, I think that it just, it doesn't align in my opinion.

I don't think that this was a burglary gone wrong, nothing stolen, nothing ransacked from what we've heard reported.

A random hit and run wouldn't take the heavy body and have to carry that with them for funsies. They take the jewels and run.

They wouldn't take the woman, right.

So that moves us into theory number two and the possible need to eliminate evidence.

Let's see, we got a super chat from Tiana Jordan says Savannah's body language here speaks volumes to me.

She looks like she's trying to look comfortable next to the brother-in-law, but she's clearly not.

I still think he's involved. Well, we'll explore those theories as well. So that's obviously something that people still feel very passionately about is the potential involvement of the family.

We'll explore that. That's at theory number two.

This is where things take a bit of a darker turn, but this is the newest theory that I've started to see be presented online.

And this is a theory of targeted essay.

And so, like I said, I've seen this take some popularity recently.

And that's that it's possible that this was a targeted hit.

Somebody that was praying on Nancy, likely multiple men, in my opinion, possibly two to three.

Just logically makes sense, right. Two to three could have potentially been targeting Nancy.

And now it couldn't have just been one of them. I think one is illogical because one person entering the premises,

you know, also taking and disposing of the body, like it wouldn't make sense if it was just one person.

They would need to at least be two people. One person wouldn't be able to execute that all on their own.

Not that easily and get away with it at least, right.

So the theory is that they targeted her because she was older, she was vulnerable, and that they violated her.

This theory is a dark one. This one also in my opinion is a little far-fetched.

Now I did look into these types of cases and reports of this type of crime of praying on elderly people, especially in their 80s like Nancy,

crimes like this fall below 1%.

And the most common occurrences of these happening are not at random abductions or random burglaries or random break ins.

If you're going to essay a vulnerable elderly person, it's usually in a controlled setting where you have full access to them, right.

It's not a random hit, and this usually happens in nursing homes.

That's typically where you're going to find that people are abusing these elderly people, be it physically, mentally, verbally, whatever it is,

it's going to be in a controlled setting, and that would likely be cases like this likely happen in nursing homes.

So the theories here suggest that the body was taken to hide any sort of physical evidence.

Now is that possible? Sure, it's within the realm of possibility, but to me, it's too much work, right.

It's too much work with very little reward.

I mean, unless you really get off on that and you're just a group of dudes that like really gets off on old late,

like it just to me logically doesn't make a ton of sense, right.

You need more than one guy, which is just weird that you guys are all have this fetish together.

That just doesn't make sense to me.

And also, I would think like you could use protection to conceal any sort of physical evidence.

If you thought it out this far, then you've thought out how to not leave any sort of incriminating evidence behind i.e. wearing protection.

I think this one, this theory is just a little, it's a bit far fetched for me.

Maybe it's too dark and I just don't want to believe that that's the reality because it's so dark and uncomfortable.

But I don't think that this is what happened.

I think I don't think they just happen to accidentally take a famous lady's mom, right.

Her house of all the houses of all the options that they have.

I don't think so. They had to have known who Savannah is.

They had to have known that this was Savannah got threes mother.

Whoever did this had to have known who they whose house they were breaking into.

Or in this case, whose house they walked into because it doesn't appear there was any forced entry or breaking.

Which brings us to the kidnapping theory and all the Epstein connection.

So let's talk about Epstein.

Theory number three are all the Epstein connections and theories.

So I'll start with Epstein.

I don't think that this is Epstein related at all.

At all.

I'll explain.

There are different layers to this, right.

So one is that this is a distraction, right.

I don't think that this is a distraction to distract us from the Epstein files.

Because if it were a distraction, it clearly failed because most people won't shut up about the fucking Epstein files.

All I hear about are the Epstein files, the Epstein files, they have to talk about the Epstein file.

What about the Epstein files?

No, no, no, no. Epstein files.

Like my comments anytime I do Nancy coverage are constantly bombarded with people saying that this is a day version from Epstein.

It's not.

I don't believe that this is an Epstein related thing.

And I also don't believe that this is because this is a targeted attack because Savannah happened to interview the Epstein victims.

Guys, that was like 84 years ago, they wouldn't have waited until 2026 to take out this hit.

If they wanted to send her a message, they would have sent the message a long time ago, right.

They would have made sure that, you know, they also targeted like more significant bigger players in this, right.

Other people that were involved, other people that helped incriminate Epstein, like Savannah got three of all people is hardly the top of the list priority.

So I don't think that this was a diversion because if it was, it completely failed.

And I don't think that this was targeted to send a message to Savannah as to not interview victims moving forward because it's too many years after the fact.

Too much has happened in the Epstein stuff.

The Savannah got three is not a priority and she's not a threat.

If anything, you threaten the network, you don't threaten the host, right.

The lady asking the questions.

I just think this being motivated for Savannah interviewing the victims all those years ago to me, that's a ridiculous theory.

It's also not Trump as much as people dislike Trump.

You know, this one I feel is one of the more stupid theories in connection to Epstein is that Trump took Nancy and has Nancy somewhere and is doing this again as a diversion to keep your attention off the Epstein files.

No, we're still talking about the Epstein files.

This is not a distraction.

And I think if Trump were going to go in that route, he would not be taking Nancy got three.

Who nobody's ever heard of.

I've never heard of Nancy got three.

You've never heard of Nancy got three.

We don't care about Savannah got three.

The lady on the today show with the 15 other co-host enough for him to pick Nancy of all people.

If Trump really wanted to make a big splash and create a diversion, he would take the Kardashian grandma.

He would take MJ.

MJ would be missing and the Kardashians would be the bigger family to like be like, oh my god.

And then MJ lives in San Diego by herself.

Like that would have been the easier target to get the attention and to get the distraction from the Epstein files.

You're not going to go with somebody that nobody's ever heard of like Nancy got three or somebody that's really not that famous like Savannah got three.

Right.

If he wanted a big distraction, he would have taken a bigger name.

MJ being the perfect example, not Nancy of all people.

So then it gets back to okay, well, why is the media covering Nancy so much?

Is it really that this is a side up, right?

Now I will say that to me could be Epstein related, but not in the way that I think you're you're thinking though, right?

Like I'll give it to you, you know, I don't think taking Nancy was meant to be the distraction that it now is.

But I think that the media covering Nancy so much could potentially be so that they don't have to report as much on the Epstein files.

That could be what's happening here.

The reason they're focused on this story is because it's another crazy wacky story that they can put their attention on rather than having to talk about the Epstein files, right?

They're just looking, I think they were just looking for the next big story so that they don't have to talk about Epstein, right?

But I don't think the kidnapping or the taking of Nancy, I don't think that that was intentional to create the media frenzy.

I think the media saw a story that they can latch on to so that they wouldn't have to talk about Epstein.

But I don't think it was deliberate to take Nancy to have this outcome to deflect from Epstein.

Now, why would they not want to report on Epstein?

I think there are a couple of different options, right?

The first one being, you know, the people running these news agencies, the people running these media agencies, they're powerful, right?

They're deliberately wanting you to not talk about what's in the Epstein files because that could incriminate them.

That's plausible to me, but the other thing is, I think, well, that's plausible to me.

And I'll get into more of the Epstein stuff in a second, but it's possible that the people are putting pressure on the news agencies to not really dive into the Epstein files,

but I think it's also possible that the files are just too dark, right?

It's not easy coverage to be going through these Epstein files and then reporting on what was happening.

Like, it's dark, it's heavy, it's ugly, which is why I think most people, and I'm sorry this is going to hurt some of your feelings.

Most Americans right now don't want to know how deep and dark and ugly the information these files are.

I had to walk away from it. I just lightly dipped in and I was like, this is too much.

Like, I can't stomach it, and I'm sorry, but like, I don't condone what happened.

I feel awful about what happened. I hope justice is brought to the victims that were taking advantage of.

But at the same time, like, and you know, I don't even have a deep stomach for true crime, right?

So, I think most Americans right now are just trying to put food on the table.

They're just trying to get through life right now, right? They're trying to get through their nine to five.

They're trying to take their kids to school into soccer practice.

They want to go to work, they want to come home, they want to pour themselves some wine, and they want to watch traders.

They want to turn off the heaviness of the world right now.

I know that there are some people that love to doomsday scroll, and they love to consume as much negative content and media as they possibly can.

But I think the average American right now just wants to not have to think about the heaviness of the world, right?

Like, that's the reality. They don't want to know if Beyonce is really eating babies to stay young.

Because if that's a true reality, like, it's a sick reality.

They don't want to know about all the awful, brutal things that have happened to these young women and these young girls.

Like, it's too much right now. The world is heavy enough.

There are enough atrocious things that are happening that were being bombarded with on social media and on the news that the last thing they want to know is what these powerful elites are doing and how awful it is.

You know, especially if people aren't really going to be held accountable. Like, let's talk about that.

Because here's the other hard truth about Epstein.

There's a very good chance that the people that were really involved in this aren't going to be held accountable.

Not because I don't want them to be, but I think that's part of the reason you see so many of these names redacted.

Like, yes, you have victims that are redacted, but you have people that were doing these things redacted as well.

And I'm going to tell you right now that this can be another hard and uncomfortable truth for you to hear, but hear me out.

This is not to protect Trump. This is not to protect Bill Clinton.

This is not to protect Diddy. This is not to protect Jay Z.

You want to know the reality about the people in those files?

Those people are being protected in those files because they're people that we don't know because they don't want to be known.

They don't want you to know their names. Their names are probably names that we've never even heard of because they're the people that hold the real power.

And how do you hold the real power by staying in the shadows?

They have so much money and so much power. They don't want exposure.

They want to stay in the shadows. They are the ones that are pressuring the people that we're seeing.

The celebrities, the politicians, they are the ones that are controlling them because they have the power, but they lose the power by being exposed.

They don't want that exposure because they have more power by staying in the shadows.

The only one that I can see that was actually probably part of this Epstein stuff that it could potentially have been one of those players is Bill Gates.

Uber wealthy man, lots of influence.

And listen, when you can buy anything, you start to want more.

You start to want the things that you can't have, the things that money can't buy.

And that's where a man like Epstein came in is he promised to do the unthinkable.

Whatever you wanted, he promised to deliver that for you.

And I think the issue with Bill Gates, I think Gates was an idiot.

I think he allowed his ego to want to expose himself. He wanted to be known.

He wanted to be Bill Gates the savior.

Because that's the other thing that money can't buy his fame and notoriety.

But a lot of these people don't want fame and notoriety because it comes with the level of liability.

And so Bill Gates, I think wanted that exposure. I think he's an idiot.

I think he wanted to expose himself to the public.

I think he wanted to be known as the great Bill Gates.

And that's how we know about his involvement because obviously we know his name.

And now his wife is throwing him under the bus and her interviews lately where she left him.

And she's like, I don't want anything to do with him.

I didn't like his relationship with Epstein, like all of that stuff, right?

So I think he's the only one that was stupid enough to expose himself.

He was the only one with that much power and influence and money.

And then he obviously allowed his ego to want to make him public facing.

And that's why we know his name. And that's why he looks bad in the Epstein files, right?

But again, the real power players here, the ones that are putting pressure on these politicians

or that are buying off or owning these celebrities, they're not the people we know.

That's just a cold, hard reality.

They're the people that want to remain in the shadows.

As much as we may not like that reality, that's the reality.

And the reason a story like Nancy Guthrie captivated this country isn't to protect them.

But it's because I think collectively, I don't think there's a direct connection between Nancy and the Epstein files.

But I think that the reason, you know, the yes, it could be that the media didn't want to talk about this story enough,

possibly to protect some of their finances, right, their sponsors, whatever.

But I think us as the people won the Epstein files are so dark and heavy that it was just too much for us to take on

once we started to dig into them.

But I also think we collectively came together putting aside our differences to help solve this mystery.

I think we were invested. People became invested.

You wanted to bring the grandma home. She became America's grandma.

You know, we came together wanting to get this case solved.

We wanted a happy ending for Nancy and her family.

Like we wanted to find Savannah Guthrie's mom.

We were able to put all the other crazy news aside and focus on something that we could all pour some hope into.

And that's finding this woman.

I think we were all looking for hope.

And I think finding Nancy Guthrie gave us hope that we could have some good news, a good outcome.

We wanted to find her. We wanted that happy ending.

And I think we were expecting answers. I think we were expecting to find something, you know.

But that explains why there's so much coverage and attention on all of this, right?

The collective interest in the media, you know, needing to avoid talking about the Epstein files.

But that doesn't tell us what actually happened to Nancy.

So that brings back the question.

What actually happened to Nancy Guthrie?

This brings us to theory four.

This is the most commonly widely accepted theory.

At first, like many of you, I'm sure.

I bought into the kidnapping story.

The kidnapping story, I say that with air quotes.

And I explored the potential kidnapping theories.

To me, a kidnapping only makes sense in this case if it's a targeted hit, right?

Which would mean this would be some sort of payback or that this would be some sort of motivation around money.

Right?

The motivation behind kidnapping this woman would have to be one of those two things.

It's payback or it's money.

I don't think it's evidence concealing right with the first two theories of the burglary or the essay.

I think if we're treating this as a kidnapping, it's either about payback or it's about money.

Payback doesn't make too much sense to me because what would it be payback for?

You know, what could have Nancy have done that they needed to pay her back and teach her a lesson?

Now, the more feasible target here, I think would have been Savannah.

Now, it's also possible that like, well, maybe, you know, Tommaso was in on some shady shed and they took her as a way of getting back at them as possible.

But we don't really have any evidence to go down that row.

So to me, the thing that makes the most sense would be Savannah being the target here, right, in terms of motive.

Now, the Epstein connection doesn't make sense with her interviewing the victims.

We just went over that and I've seen, you know, people say that maybe it's someone from her job.

You know, maybe somebody wanted to send her a message or try to push her out of the today show or, you know, someone wanted to target her in some way.

Sure, it's possible, but with the kidnapping, the more plausible motive here, I think, would be money, which is usually the root of a lot of these cases, right?

So who could it be?

Who could that be that wanted money from Savannah?

Now, at the very beginning of this, I thought maybe it was a controlled kidnapping.

Maybe it was arranged by her sister, Annie, and her brother-in-law, Tommaso, because they were the last ones to see Nancy alive.

And they clearly don't have a ton of money, right?

As far as we know, Annie is a poet and she's a jeweler and Tommaso's a teacher.

Yet we also heard that they just got a new home.

So initially, my theory was that maybe there was some sort of sibling rivalry.

Maybe there was jealousy, you know, Annie's always the one taking care of the mom while Savannah gets to go and live her posh life in New York City.

And she gets to be famous and she gets to make millions of dollars a year.

Maybe the mom favorites Savannah more, even though Annie was always the good daughter that had to take care of Nancy, right?

I was going down that rabbit hole.

I was like, maybe that's plausible, right?

So I thought maybe it was meant to be a controlled kidnapping that just ended up getting out of hand, right?

Maybe it was, you know, Annie and Tommaso trying to shake down Savannah and what was meant to be an easy cash grab.

Oh my God, someone took mom, they want us to pay.

We need to pay and just get her home.

That's possible, right?

They convince Savannah that mom's being kidnapped, convinced Savannah to pay the ransom.

Then they get the mom back.

It becomes a crazy, but mostly like local story and Savannah gets go in the detention and be like, oh my God, this was so tough.

This was so stressful. My mom, blah, blah.

And it's a story that lasts for a couple of days, but ultimately kind of dies down.

But then the media and TikTok went and took the story and blew it up.

And suddenly it became much bigger than it was ever supposed to, right?

If that's the theory that we're going on.

That was my theory in the early days when I still believed the kids, the kidnapping and the ransom notes.

I still was believing that that was all real.

But then you factor in the ransom timeline.

You're like, okay, well, the ransom notes didn't come right away.

They didn't come until after the story broke in the news.

So if you're trying to get money out of a rich lady by holding her mom captive, let's think about this.

You have a limited amount of time.

You don't wait for the story to break in the news, right?

You are on borrowed time here, right?

You take the old lady, you immediately notify the family,

while everyone is aware that there is a clock that is ticking.

This is also why you don't steal old ladies.

You don't take old, elderly, sickly, feeble old ladies or men.

And you also don't take newborns, infants, toddlers.

It's too much work.

You have a clock that is ticking when you are holding an elderly person,

especially one with as many conditions that Nancy Guthrie had, right?

You get in, you get out.

You go, you collect your money, you piece out.

The longer you have to keep Nancy, the harder it is to keep her alive

and it just becomes a liability.

You don't give the family a week and then add a few more days.

You provide proof of life right away.

Within the first 48 hours, here's proof of life.

This is what I'm asking for.

Give it to me now or she's dead, right?

It's a race against the clock.

You also don't, if you're the kidnapper,

you don't want all this media attention.

That puts a spotlight on you.

That makes the public interested in finding you.

So you're not sending these notes to TMZ.

I think the notes were fake.

I think they were possibly coming from outside the country, right?

Because the notes reference Bitcoin and USD,

which typically you won't say USD if you're already in the States

and you're not dealing with international affairs,

which could also be why there has been no arrest

on these potentially fake ransom notes, right?

Because there's no jurisdiction.

They're from other countries and it's going to take a while

to get to them or to even find them.

So I think that the ransom notes were not real.

They were just people internationally

that were taking advantage of this case.

They're fraudsters, right?

That were just trying to cash in on this horrible situation

with this poor family.

Also, like an 80-style kidnapping for ransom in 2026.

Come on, I call bullshit.

Nobody's doing kidnapping for ransoms in 2026.

I don't believe that this was ever a legitimate kidnapping

or a legitimate ransom.

Statistically, the chances of kidnapping an elderly woman

in her 80s is less than 1%.

It's too risky.

Too much of a gamble.

Her life is too much of a liability.

It doesn't make sense.

But then we have pieces of a kidnapping, right?

So when you're putting these pieces together,

the kidnapping, the kidnapping, feels staged.

Down to the blood drops on the porch.

It just feels odd.

Just a few drops.

And the drops happen to be leading from the front door

out to the driveway.

If something happened to her,

you would, like, if there was a slash,

if her nose was bleeding,

there would be a lot more blood.

She's presumably on blood thinners, right?

She's got a heart condition.

She's got a pacemaker.

She's on multiple medications.

So just a few drops of blood

that happened to convenient be left right there.

There would be splattered blood somewhere.

There would be smear blood somewhere.

There would be a footprint with blood somewhere.

There wouldn't just be a few convenient drops.

There would be something, right?

Them, if they're carrying her out

and she's dripping blood,

first of all, you clean up that blood, right?

You don't want to leave blood at the crime scene.

If you're being super careful with everything else

to remove the cameras and to not have a forced entry,

you're being super careful.

So if you're being that careful,

you're not leaving drops of blood.

It's too convenient.

I'm not convinced that this was ever a legitimate kidnapping.

There's not enough motive and it's too much of a liability.

So then that brings us back to the question,

what happened to Nancy Guthrie?

If it wasn't a burglary,

it's not a government conspiracy

and she wasn't kidnapped, well,

then we have to retrace her steps that night, right?

And from the story that we have,

the story that we've been told,

the last people to have seen her alive,

that we know of were Annie and Tomaso,

the jeweler and the teacher.

They had Nancy, you know,

the story goes, they had Nancy Uber to their home for dinner.

Also strange considering this was a woman

that had trouble walking, she had a cane,

she had a lot of ailments.

Arguably you could say, well,

she was older but she lived alone.

Maybe she wanted her sense of independence,

maybe taking an Uber

gave her a sense of independence.

I can see that.

Then as the story goes on,

Tomaso drove her home.

She didn't Uber home,

he drives her home

and then she conveniently walks through the garage door,

where there's conveniently no cameras

to capture her entering the home.

Plosible, I'll give you that.

It is likely, it's possible.

However, it's also a little too convenient for me.

There are too many pieces of this story

from the kidnapping and the blood,

the garage door,

too many of their too many coincidences

for there to be so little answers, right?

But sure, let's run with that.

Goes into the garage door,

but then you factor in the time of night it is.

It's just before 10 p.m., right?

They said what it was about like nine, 45-ish.

That feels a bit late to be bringing an old lady home, right?

I know you got a mom,

you got a grandma,

you knew a grandma,

how often are you bringing them home

at 10 o'clock at night?

How often are elderly people

staying out until 10 o'clock at night?

Again, plausible,

but a little suspicious, right?

If you ask me,

10 o'clock, that was the first thing that I thought of,

because like my great-grandmother,

she just passed away,

I guess not,

it was just her one-year anniversary,

but she passed away at the end of 2024,

and she was in her 90s.

And again,

nobody was taking her home at 10 o'clock at night.

She liked her independence,

she wanted to be independent,

she wanted to die in her home,

but you set provisions up

to make sure that they're taking care of.

You know, the neighbors were all very, you know,

big on taking care of her.

It doesn't make sense to be bringing,

and again, these are not questions we're asking

in the early days, right?

Because in the early days,

you're like, oh,

well, we're buying into the kidnappings for it,

and if you're focused on the kidnapping,

then you're trying to focus on,

you know, oh, who and what,

and why you're not focused on the oddities

of these little details,

about a 10 p.m. timeframe.

Again, plausible,

but suspicious, okay?

Then she, the next morning, Sunday,

February 1st,

she's supposed to meet her church ladies,

her church lady friends,

she's supposed to meet them

for their Zoom church.

Story goes,

they meet on Sundays,

they go over to one lady's house,

they put church on Zoom,

and they all, you know,

pray for all the,

the other ladies in town.

Nancy doesn't show up.

The ladies get worried.

Seemingly somebody

notified Savannah,

Savannah went over to go check on her mom.

I think it took her like an hour

from what I heard to go check on the mom,

and then she realizes

mom is missing.

Mom's not here.

And now it must have been obvious

that there was some sort of abduction, right?

There drops a blood.

She's not there.

The next camera is missing

when you walk up to the door,

you're like, oh,

the camera's not here.

What the hell happened to the camera?

Why is there blood on the porch?

What the hell is happening?

Right?

So you would immediately think

something happened to her.

But the theory immediately

goes into the fact that she was

kidnapped.

Why wouldn't, you know,

murder be on the table?

Why is it immediately

thought of to be an abduction?

Why not that she'd possibly

wandered off?

Like, why were

any of those theories considered early on?

Or did we just immediately

buy into the kidnapping theory?

So then,

Sheriff Office gets notified.

Savannah's over in New York.

She's coming over to Arizona.

She calls Mark Kelly,

the Arizona senator,

which I know a lot of people

have a lot of questions about.

But Mark Kelly does

hold a lot of influence

in power in Arizona, right?

He's the senator.

Sheriff starts holding press conferences

to give updates.

They tell us absolutely nothing.

I think after two press conferences,

he's done.

No more updates.

But yet, the alleged crime scene

in this short time frame, right?

The first 48 hours

the most important, right?

Crime scene isn't closed off.

Brian Enten is able to freely

arrive in Arizona

and walk right up to Nancy

got through his front door.

He's able to film blood on her porch.

That's weird.

Why wouldn't, you know,

wouldn't you think that

that should not have happened?

That there should have been

yellow tape up at Nancy's house

to preserve evidence,

to preserve the potential crime scene?

Because at that point,

we don't know what happened to Nancy.

If there's blood in the missing lady,

you would think this would be treated

as like a straight up crime scene, right?

Or if there's blood all over the walls,

if there's, you know,

some sort of forced

and like something, right?

You would think

you don't want people having access

to this close of a crime scene

because you don't want to tamper with it, right?

The family then makes their first video,

requesting their mother back,

saying that they're willing to pay for the money,

they need proof of life,

it appears they don't get proof of life,

they miss both the deadlines

and then never address the ransom notes ever again.

Not once did they have they

since addressed the ransom notes

or why they said they were going to pay

and then didn't end up paying.

Strange, right?

Then we hear that the initial offering

for info on Nancy was $2,500.

That seems kind of low.

I always joke,

this ladies were more than a stimulus check, right?

But the $2,500 came from the Sheriff's Department.

Then the FBI comes,

FBI gets involved,

they then put a $50,000 up.

Then it goes up to $100,000.

But still nothing from the family.

And then eventually people start crowdfunding.

People start making anonymous donations

to help this family.

Meanwhile, Savannah makes a reported

$8 million a year at the Today Show.

That is her reported salary, okay?

As the money's been offered up,

as the public starts to have questions,

as the media starts to cover this case,

the family, interestingly enough,

doesn't do a single press conference.

Isn't offering any reward money?

Isn't cleaning up, you know,

isn't clearing up any of this speculation

regarding Annie and Tomasso?

They're not participating in a search party.

The family doesn't participate

in a single prayer vigil,

despite how religious they are.

Savannah seemingly isn't really utilizing

her resources over at NBC.

You'd think she would be giving the Today Show

a daily update on what's going on

to keep her mother's face fresh,

to keep the story fresh.

So let me get this straight.

Savannah has NBC,

which is screen time, screen time,

to the entire nation to keep her mother's story alive

and to show how distraught the family is

so that the public and the people

can put pressure into finding this woman, okay?

She has NBC.

She has her friend, Senator Mark Kelly.

She has a reported $8 million

salary from the Today Show

and yet none of these resources

appear to be activated.

Well, we know she didn't put up any money.

We know she didn't utilize the Today Show

or NBC at the bandwidth of which she could have.

It's possible that she calls in her favor to Mark Kelly,

but I think we'll get into that in a second

what Mark Kelly could have heard possibly may have done, you know?

So then we hear the rumor

that they have planned to hire a private investigator

and it turns out that that's a fake rumor and it's not true.

Okay, so why is this family hiding from the public?

It's possible that the FBI

or the sheriff at first was maybe advising them,

but then you factor in the fact that Savannah Guthrie

is very media savvy.

She's been on TV for how many years now?

Covering a number of high profile stories,

she knows how the media works,

she knows how public speculation works,

she knows the insatiable need

from the public to get answers on big stories.

Why not utilize those resources?

Why not utilize your financial resources?

Why when you're on the Today Show every day

in front of the American people suddenly

when the world is now looking to you,

then you stay out of the public eye?

It just doesn't make sense to me, right?

Not incriminating anybody.

I'm not accusing anybody of anything,

but I'm just saying this behavior is highly suspicious, right?

I'm sorry, Scott Peterson was looking for his wife.

Casey Anthony wanted to find her daughter,

but this family is doing absolutely nothing

to try and find their missing mother.

I feel like an ass when I hate saying that,

but I was so emotionally invested in this case.

We were all so emotionally invested in this case.

This is Tyra Banks, we were rooting for you.

And now we're like, wait a minute.

Remember I made that video where I ran to,

and I was like, I feel like, you know,

I've been praying for Nancy every day,

and now I feel like this Guthrie family is wasting my prayers.

Where are my prayers going?

Because it doesn't seem like my prayers

are going in the right direction.

You know, why stay out of the public eye?

Then we move over to Sheriff Nannos, who, you know,

we've heard at this point,

we're here as being uncooperative with the FBI.

He's gay keeping evidence,

doesn't close off the crime scene,

making a lot of rookie mistakes, right?

A lot of rookie mistakes.

Not closing off the crime scene,

we're seeing the pool guys come in,

we're seeing the landscapers come in,

we're seeing media walk onto the premises,

we're seeing, you know, investigators

kind of just like doing sloppy searches.

Okay.

All of these people coming onto the scene,

me and my layman's head,

that could potentially tamper with evidence, right?

That could potentially influence DNA, right?

And then the DNA evidence

is being gay kept by Nannos in his lab,

is probably their private lab that they use

rather than the FBI's lab,

rather than sending this over to Quantico,

or gay keeping this,

and not allowing the FBI to take over this case.

And now a lot of people have wondered,

well, why didn't the FBI,

why haven't they taken over this case by now?

Well, it falls in the hands of Sheriff Nannos.

Why?

Because the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction.

The jurisdiction lies within Pima County, right?

The only way the FBI could take over the case

is, as one, if Nannos allows them to,

in turns the case over to them,

or two, they would need proof

that Nancy got three cross-state lines,

which would then turn this into a federal case.

She would need to cross-state lines

so that it would then become

the jurisdiction of the federal government

rather than local government, right?

Which then leads us to theory number five.

The cartel also makes no sense, right?

Cartel's not out here trying to kidnap grandmas.

You can't traffic a grandma.

Old ladies, I would assume I could be wrong,

but old ladies I would assume are not

in high demand from the cartel.

They're not trying to pimp out an old lady, right?

They're not trying to traffic her.

They can't legitimately use her to smuggle drugs.

She's got a pacemaker.

They don't need or want this much national attention

to be contacting TMZ.

They certainly don't need Savannah Guthrie's money.

I think something happened to Nancy that night.

And I think she was gone within the first 48 hours,

or was possibly disposed of within that 48 hours.

A missing person and a potential murder

brings us all back to the people

that were the closest to her

and the last people known to have seen her alive.

And if we go right back down that trace,

it leads us right back to Annie and Tommaso.

Annie and Tommaso's home,

which was looked at multiple times by authorities,

Annie and Tommaso's home,

where we saw them taking what appeared

to be evidence out of their home.

And Annie and Tommaso, whose car I believe is still

in the hands of either the FBI or Pima County.

They've not released the car yet to my knowledge.

Do we have proof that Nancy was even alive

after leaving their presence that night?

No.

If we do, it hasn't been shared with the public.

So we don't know, right?

Which then brings us to share of nanosis

strange clearance statement,

where he unilaterally cleared the family,

siblings and spouses alike.

When 24 hours prior to releasing that statement,

he was giving press interviews

where he said that nobody was cleared,

because it's not standard to clear everybody

unilaterally like that,

especially not the family,

the ones that are closest to them, right?

Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony,

I just referenced those two cases,

John Mane Ramsey,

all lead back to the people in their immediate life.

Scott Peterson is the one

believed to have killed his wife.

Casey Anthony is the one

to believe to have killed her daughter, right?

It's always someone statistically

and based off of patterns,

it's usually always somebody that is close to them,

close to the subject, right?

Then the very next day,

after Sheriff Nanos tells the press

that nobody's been cleared,

the very next day less than 24 hours later,

he then issues a statement

saying the entire family is cleared,

and not only are they cleared now,

but they've been cleared since early on,

which is contradictory in and of itself.

There's no verification from the FBI.

They declined to comment on that,

because they're not confirming or denying that,

which I would assume they're not denying it,

because they're not trying to make more waves

with the Sheriff's Department,

but also they're not confirming it,

because they know it's irresponsible to confirm it.

It's too premature to confirm something like that.

And Nanos wants to say how he knows

that the family is cleared,

and then when they push Nanos on that

and ask where they cleared with DNA evidence,

like what cleared them?

Then suddenly Nanos' response is not going there.

Not going there?

All of a sudden you're not going there?

You said they're cleared,

and you put your professional reputation on the line

by saying that they're fully cleared

when less than 24 hours ago,

you said the complete opposite.

Now suddenly the entire family is cleared

and has been since the beginning,

that's weird.

So we have no real confirmation

of the family's clearance outside of Nanos' statement, right?

We have no evidence to support that.

There's no backing from the FBI to support that.

Completely contradicts Nanos' own statement

he made the day prior.

So Nanos is either completely incompetent

or he's compromised.

Now, incompetent sounds a bit strange considering

he's been on the force for a very long time.

It's possible that he's just a bonehead Sheriff

and doesn't know what he's doing

and is inweight way over his head

and maybe had a pissing match with the FBI early on.

It's totally possible that he's just incompetent,

but compromise could also mean a few things, right?

It could mean that he was paid,

it could mean that he was pressured

or he could have just been enamored

by the celebrity profile of the case

trying to make good with Savannah,

but it seems clear to me that somebody pressured him

to release that statement

because less than 24 hours

he had a very different tone, right?

So who could have pressured him?

Could it have been Savannah?

Maybe her celebrity profile, you know,

made him do the family a favor

because he was enamored

with the celebrity profile of the case?

Could it have been Senator Mark Kelly,

who's a friend of Savannah Guthrie's?

Could, you know, pressure from the senator

do the family a solid?

Could someone have paid Nanos to butcher this case?

Could Nanos know who did this tenancy

and could he possibly be covering up for them?

I don't know,

but it all seems kind of plausible.

When you're looking at all the other theories

and you can easily debunk burglar gone wrong,

you can easily debunk cartel,

you can easily debunk Epstein connections,

or at least they just see more far-fetched, right?

Whereas this path here seems a bit more plausible

when you kind of objectively look at the case, right?

From an outsider looking in,

just looking at the pieces on the board.

So now that brings up the question,

why would Savannah have motivation to cover up

what happened to her mother?

You would think she would want to prosecute.

If she knows what happened to her mother,

you think she would go scorch Earth

to go after that person.

Even as much of a good Christian woman as she is,

you would think she would want them held accountable, right?

Why would she have a motivation to cover that up?

Why would she have a motivation to protect

whoever did something to her mother?

She would have to know who did it,

and she would want to protect them, right?

So who might she want to protect?

Well, if we look at all the theories surrounding

the unsolved case of Jambanae Ramsey,

the plausible theory there that has become widely adopted

is that it was Jambanae's brother,

who appears to have had anger issues,

and is believed to have been the one that killed Jambanae Ramsey,

and then the parents covered it up to protect their son.

So then we have to ask ourselves,

okay, if we're referencing some of these cases,

and just following the patterns and the statistics of these cases,

is it possible that Jambanae is doing the same thing?

Is she protecting somebody,

and who would she have the motivation to protect?

Maybe somebody like her sister,

who was the last person to see the mother alive?

It's also not out of the realm of possibility

that Jambanae could now be trying to protect her own career

and her own reputation, right?

Now the world, I mean, this case has had the country

in a chokehold for nearly a month.

Let's not forget, Trump also came out

and said that he wants the death penalty for whoever did this, right?

Which is even more motivation to protect whoever did something to Nancy.

If you don't want them to face the death penalty,

so from a reputational standpoint,

it's better to be known as the woman whose mother mysteriously went missing,

and then everybody feels bad because the case was never solved.

It's much better than being the woman whose mother was murdered

by her sister and brother-in-law,

and then there was a fake kidnapping

that kept the new cycle for an entire month.

You know, I don't know.

It's crazy.

And then in terms of the body, not to be gruesome,

but if we're going down that route,

you'd want to make sure a body stays hidden long enough

to where there's enough damage

so that you never find out what actually happened to said body, right?

If you know where the body's at,

it would make sense that you would want to wait for the body to decompose.

Again, I know this is gruesome and uncomfortable,

and I warned you this was going to be an uncomfortable conversation,

but when we really start to look at this

and put together these theories,

logically, without emotion,

when we take the emotion out of this

and really just look at this based off of patterns

that we've seen in cases like this in the past,

it raises some real serious questions, right?

I'm not saying that, you know, any of this is true here,

but when you look at the information that we do have,

it certainly appears plausible at the very least,

more plausible than the cartel,

more plausible than an Epstein connection,

more plausible than a burglary gone wrong

based off of patterns and statistics in cases like this,

especially, you know,

you would likely want to protect somebody that you love.

If you, like, Jombane Ramsey,

believe that it was an accident, right?

So let's just say Savannah was told that this was an accident

and that they didn't mean to do this to the mom.

You know, maybe what happened to Nancy was truly unintentional.

Maybe it was an emotional heat of the moment,

knee-jerk reaction that just had some really deadly consequences.

Now, you can say a push, a fall, a slip,

all of those things could very easily be excused

with an elderly lady that needed a cane

and had trouble walking.

Okay, that's, you know, a slip or a fall.

But in my opinion, you know, when you have somebody

that that old and has trouble walking,

then that also would make sense as to why you wouldn't allow them

to walk into the house alone through the garage,

but whatever, we're sticking with that story.

You know, we don't know Nancy's history,

we don't know the family's history.

But, you know, because a lot of people are like,

well, if it was truly an accident, then you can excuse it

as a fall or a slip.

You don't need to cover it up, right?

Which is true.

A simple fall or a slip could very easily be excused,

and you wouldn't need to cover up,

unless there was something greater that happened to Nancy,

something that could easily be chalked off as an accident, right?

Or a heat in the moment reaction that again,

just had some deadly consequences.

I mean, we've seen snapped where sometimes women,

you know, or spouses just have this reaction

where they have consequences to that, you know?

But that, to me, would be motive enough to cover it up.

If it was too obvious that something happened

that couldn't have easily been chalked up to an accident, right?

And I've heard theories of like, could this be insurance fraud?

Could this be inheritance?

I don't know.

I don't know what the true motivation could have been,

but if Annie and Tomasso were Nancy Guthrie's caretakers,

I would imagine that they would have access to our finances,

where they possibly mismanaging funds,

could it have been Nancy that caught on?

Maybe they were going to get cut off,

maybe they were getting taken out of the will,

when you just go down those theories of usually

there being some motivation when it comes to money.

Again, they were a jeweler and a teacher.

She was a poet and a jeweler, and he was a teacher,

and he had a band.

Those aren't deep pockets.

I don't know how many jewelers you know,

local jewelers and poets that are out here

making bank like that, you know?

So it is possible that money could have been

a motivation for them.

They're not making a ton of money.

So when you look at motivation,

money could be a big motivator for them.

It's within the realm of possibility, right?

I don't know, but we're exploring these options.

I don't know what happened to Nancy Guthrie,

but I'm convinced that Sheriff Nano is covering something up.

And I have a strong gut instinct that the family

knows something that they're not sharing with us.

And if this is a cover-up,

you have to go back to the means and the motive, right?

And in this case, the family has the means

and the family has the motive to cover this up.

And the longer it went on, the harder I could see

them fighting to really conceal the truth, right?

Because then it becomes bigger,

and the media is more interested.

And if there are no answers, like,

then you've held the country in this chokehold

for an entire month looking for your mom.

And if you already knew what happened to her,

of course you're not going to come out and admit that, right?

Now listen, I hope I'm wrong.

I've been very clear that my intention here

is not to incriminate anyone, especially the family.

I can't even imagine the grief that they're going through, right?

This episode is strictly for entertainment purposes,

but there's, you know, a lot of questions that we have.

Attention here is not to defame anyone,

but based off of the information we have,

there are a lot of questions.

Yes, joy in the live chat I say in inheritance

would mean that a death certificate would be needed.

Correct, it takes long time for a missing person

to go get a death...

Yeah, I believe it's what, seven years?

That's why I'm saying I don't think that this was

meant with the media attention and the TikTok attention.

If this was a cover-up and the kidnapping was staged,

I think that this was meant to be done a lot sooner

and it was never meant to blow up or go on as long as it did, right?

Whether that was the mode, either the motivation was

it was a crime of passion and it was heated the moment,

snapped moment, and then we had to cover that up

or it was we need to do this for the money.

Like, it was either deliberately done for the money

or it was done accidentally.

To me, accidental would make more sense

as to how you convince someone like Savannah

to help keep this under wraps, right?

Because then it's like, what if she believed

that her sister did it unintentionally

and it was just an accident?

Your husband's known to be a cleaner for the Clintons.

It's not hard to then help clean up a mess here too.

And then I know the Clintons have also been a theory

that people have explored.

I don't think this is the Clintons either

because there's no new information

that came out during Hillary or Bill's testimony

and people always said that it was when

their testimony was supposed to be happening

that the body would be found,

which does not appear to have been the case.

So I don't think that the Clintons staged this,

but I do think the husband, Savannah's husband,

being a cleaner for the Clintons,

means that he is savvy enough to help clean

and scrub certain things, right?

I don't know.

You know, I don't know what happened to Nancy,

but I think a lot of the answers,

because if you really look at this

from an objective critical lens,

the story doesn't seem to be adding up to me.

So when we take the emotion out of it

and we really just look at this objectively,

there are a lot of questions, right?

I don't know what happened to Nancy,

but I think the answers lie within the family

and lie within the sheriff's office,

based off of the information publicly accessible

to us at this moment.

If and when that changes,

and if and when more evidence comes to light,

I'm willing to follow that evidence.

I'm willing to let the objective truth take us where it will.

I said that with every other case before,

I said that, remember the LA fires?

I got a lot of shit for it,

because I was like, this is not climate change

that is causing these fires.

Climate change does not light a fire

and then have one little ember go 45 miles

to then light a whole other fire in Pasadena

outside of the palisades,

and then all the little fires were popping up all over LA.

That was questionable to me, Blake Lively.

The second that New York Times article first dropped

when everybody was hashtag,

Blake Lively's matter, believe Blake,

go Blake, hashtag me to when everybody was on that.

I was the first person to say this story isn't adding up.

Seems like there's some context

that's been eliminated from this narrative.

Very confident.

When there are questions,

I'm willing to ask those questions, right?

So I think based off of the information that we have,

these are the questions that I have.

And if and when more evidence and information comes out,

that helps clear up a lot of things, right?

That debunks a lot of theories.

However, when you're gay keeping the information,

you're showing away the public,

you're showing away the media,

the family's not really out here trying to push for any answers.

I have questions.

There are too many loose ends

and too many open questions in 2026

with all the advancements of technology

with GPS tracking and camera surveillance,

evidence gathering tools,

DNA tracking and 23 and me in all those cases.

It is widely unreasonable to me

that we have no answers

with all the resources that we have accessible to us in 2026

and all the resources and luxuries

that are afforded to Savannah.

Given her career,

that just doesn't make sense to me.

You know?

Doesn't make sense.

So we'll see.

Hopefully you enjoyed this episode.

Hopefully you, you know,

got some theories debunked.

We'll see.

Molly Dare says we can find the...

Oh, we can find the...

Yeah, the Ali Tolya,

the Ayatola,

but we can't finance it.

Yeah, look at how many world leaders

we've now been able to find,

but yet we can't finance you got three.

And I think we can't find her

because they don't want you to find her.

I think they know where she's at.

It's just not.

They're not ready for you to find her.

I don't know why,

but I think there were some pretty good questions

that were raised in today's episode.

I'll just leave you with that.

Run and tell that home, boy.

But yeah, listen,

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Oh, because I'm wearing my Dair shirt.

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Yeah.

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But we'll see what happens.

My heart breaks for the Guthrie family.

I hope that there are answers.

But my gut is also telling me that they may know

some of those answers.

We just, the public have not gotten some of those answers.

But there are a lot of questions.

And until there are answers to those questions,

I don't think it's unrealistic for the public

to be asking questions.

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