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That's for last. Okay. I know you have a lot to live up to.

But I know you were busy today, so thanks for being flexible.

Of course. I apologize we had to cancel on the other day, but it was meant to be.

I knew we were meant to talk.

You had to give some important talks.

Yes, we did. We talked a lot.

What was the premise of those?

What was the premise?

We talked about the gut microbiome mind connection,

the intersection between physical health, mental emotional, even spiritual health,

and then we talked about just wellness trends, biohacking, stuff, labs,

things I do with our telehealth patients. That was the fireside chat yesterday.

Yeah. Stayed busy.

Yeah. That was the expo. It's like there's so many books to visit.

I can't even hit them all.

It's overwhelming.

I've been in there three times already and I still feel like I only hit 20% of them.

Yeah, but are you a pretty extroverted guy?

I'm actually introverted.

Really?

It's a huge introvert.

Okay, so you would never know. It's not funny.

I could toggle it for podcasts.

Yeah.

Yeah, but the expo is a lot for my nervous system.

It's cool, but it's like people overload.

I actually feel more energy drain at like walking the halls there than a podcast.

Oh, yeah, 100%. I'm good with one on one.

It's like we're pretty similar.

Yeah. Do you know what any gram you are?

Any gram is like one to nine.

Is it number?

No, what is it?

It's a disaster.

It's a quiz later.

But yeah, it's just people's motivation of life.

Yeah.

Any gram?

Any gram, E-N-N-E-A-G-R-A-M.

Yeah, I'll definitely take that.

Yeah, I love taking tests like that.

Yeah.

What number are you though?

Five.

It's a researcher, like the researcher.

But it companies using any gram, um, relationships,

use any gram to like better understand people.

God.

I always ask telehealth patients like what they're any gram is.

Because everybody receives information differently.

Everybody kind of sees the world perceives it a bit differently.

Yeah, yeah, not everyone views like every single person has different

perspective on the world.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's what I'm realizing.

Yeah.

Like if they don't see it your way,

whatever.

I mean, some people see that as a disagreement,

but you just got to realize it's a different perspective on life.

Yeah, be okay with what true tolerance is.

It's being okay with differences, right?

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, a lot of talk on gut health at this conference, I've noticed.

That seems to be like the booming business.

Yeah, really?

Okay, so I'm going to talk about the gut health for 16 years.

I love talking about it, but I always feel like everybody knows about it.

But you're right.

I think it's having it's maybe-

It does seem to be a way of research.

Yeah, research.

So you knew back then that there was some major

of stuff going on?

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

If you follow the research of the Lestio Fosano and these different

guys that have been talking about the microbiome and the kind of connection,

you can't, and like my main

people that we help clinically are people on this sort of larger

autoimmune inflammation spectrum.

And you really can't have a meaningful like conversation,

even help somebody with autoimmunity or any inflammatory problem

without understanding the gut health.

So I'm glad that-

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It's having its like time in the sun,

because it's going to be aha moments, I think, for people that are really struggling.

That you don't necessarily have to have overt,

extreme digestive issues to have underlying gut components to skin issues,

or mental health issues, or hormonal problems,

or other inflammatory issues.

So it's good, the people are talking about it.

Yeah, I know a lot of him means a big deal right now.

I definitely want to get your opinion on my blood work, too.

Yeah, because I need to end up on my last two, actually.

Send me your labs.

Okay, thank you.

I was loved to see it, yeah.

Yeah, I was shocked, but I guess it's becoming more and more common.

It is, yeah, it is sadly.

I mean, there's better awareness, so there's that,

but it's way more than just more people are aware.

It's like, it doesn't take a researcher to look around

and say more people are struggling

with these autoimmune inflammation issues.

That wasn't the thing a few decades ago.

It's definitely exploded.

Yeah, I'm sure you've seen a huge increase

since you've been doing this for a while now.

Yeah, and more complex issues.

Like, it's not as simple as just like,

don't have that junk food, you know, work out.

Like, the basic generic wellness advice

is not cutting it for a lot of people.

So yeah, we have to kind of evolve with the times

in what we're facing.

Yeah, why do you think that is with the basic advice?

The researchers estimate, they kind of explain it this way,

is that there's an epigenetic genetic mismatch.

There are genetics haven't changed in thousands of years,

but yeah, our world has changed dramatically

in a very finite period of time

when you're putting that in context with human history.

So it's not just one thing,

but it's this epigenetic genetic mismatches evolutionary mismatch

when with our DNA, our microbiome,

all the trillions of bacteria remain unchanged

yet this chasm with the world around us,

we're living in a brave new world.

So it's the foods we're eating,

where the foods we're not eating,

chronic stress, unresolved trauma,

environmental toxins,

if significant, because it's just a few generations,

the humans and the microbiome had to even deal with these things.

So it's a confluence of factors.

It's the, you know, the entourage effect

of what's triggering these genetic predispositions

that have always been there, lying dormant,

but are being triggered like never before in human history

because of this mismatch between genetics and epigenetics.

It's almost like the body can't adapt fast enough

to the average of the environment.

Yeah, and that's what researchers are saying.

Like, well, if you give this enough time,

we may be in the human body and the microbiome

won't be as sensitive to these things,

and maybe that's true,

but there's going to be a lot of pain in the meantime.

Yeah.

But I just think it's inextricably linked

to what's even happening on an environmental level, right?

Like, there's so much pollution

and shifts planetarily.

Well, our gut microbiome is intimately connected

to this oil microbiome,

in which the food and the plants and the plant,

it grows in.

So it's one in the same.

When you say connected, what do you mean?

Well, we are what are, you know,

the cliché as you are what you eat, right?

Yeah.

But we are more what are microbiome eats.

We are what we absorb.

We are what we digest.

And 75% of our immune system is in the gut.

The gut and brain are actually formed

from the same fetal tissue.

So, and babies are growing in the mother's womb.

Gut and brain are formed from that same core

and are inextricably linked for the rest of our life

through what's known as the gut brain axis.

The guts, if you think about it,

the intestines even resemble the brain.

95% of serotonin or happy neurotransmitter

is made in the gut.

50% of dopamine or pleasure neurotransmitter

is made and stored in the gut.

And they work upon the biggest nerve.

But the connection to the soil microbiome

is we're eating food.

We are inter-connecting.

We are around our environment.

And soil microbiome because of what herbicides and pesticides

in the way that we farm today,

sort of the big ag, sort of the industrialization

of the farming industry have really impacted

our gut microbiome negatively.

Because if something's herbicide and pesticide

to the farming world,

think of what that's doing to the gut microbiome,

the gut garden that we have,

that impacts our immune system.

Inflammation is a product of the immune system.

Pretty much every health problem that we're facing

as a society, autoimmune issues, mental health issues,

metabolic problems, fertility issues,

are all inflammatory in nature.

We're some sort of dysregulation of the body.

So it's one and the same.

We are not separate from nature.

We're inextricably linked.

Yeah, I've had Dr. Zach Bush on.

Oh, yes, exactly.

He was the first one who put me on the soil epidemic.

They call it, but crazy stuff, man.

It's wild.

But we can't wait for nation states to go and change things.

I mean, we have to...

We will not live in a utopia.

They might never change it on a son.

Yeah, exactly.

And it's some of these chemicals,

like forever chemicals, PFAS.

They're called forever chemicals for a reason.

So even if you start regulating them

and getting them diminished, yes,

but they're already in the environment.

So what can you do today?

You can't live in some BPA-free plastic bubble.

You have to live life.

The body's amazingly resilient

when you give it the chance to do so.

So this isn't about like fear mongering.

This is about empowering.

And it's like, you know, Maya Angelus said,

when you know better, you do better.

And many people just don't know better.

And how are they going to do better?

Is there a site that has like really good farms

that you can kind of buy stuff off of?

Yeah, I don't know of a directory specifically,

but I would say looking at local farms

that are doing good practices.

Regenerative farms, I think those are some key words.

Farms that use regenerative practices,

even if they're not certified organic.

Knowing your farmer is profoundly important

because maybe the local farmer

doesn't have the money and the resources

to go and pay for the certification

and getting all that stuff.

But if you get to know them,

and no, yeah, these are the practices

that go visit the farm.

Go to the farmer's market, go and meet these people

that are doing good work,

that are maybe below the radar, that are doing good things.

And then yes, support companies

that are doing good things that are maybe

in the health food store, in the target or Walmart

that are practicing better for you practices

when it comes to transparency and quality farming practice.

You mentioned organic earlier.

What's your take on organic produce?

Because that's being questioned right now.

Yeah, look, it's not perfect.

It's not a perfect system.

A lot of things, there's thresholds

to these things that herbicides and pesticides

that are still classified as organic.

Then you could have a farm next to the organic farm

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Like stressing about this stuff

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I guess it's what I'm trying to say.

Stress is a big one.

I've been trying to figure out how are you doing with it?

Sauna, working out, walks, diet for sure.

Yeah, do you get stressed easily

or you'd more towards like being anxious?

So when you measure my body, it says I'm stressed.

So I know I'm getting stressed.

I guess I just push it away

and I'll ever show it or you know.

You seem pretty stoic, like pretty.

I try to be, yeah.

But I'm definitely stressed.

Yeah, I'm the same way.

People are like, because I trend towards anxiety

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things that we need to work on.

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And to bring a little humanity to it

and we all have stubborn areas

that we need to pay attention to.

Have you seen anything work though for stress?

Yeah, I mean a lot.

I think, and I have to practice what I teach,

my telehealth patients really.

It's just like, especially when things come up

with deadlines and busyness and all that stuff.

What can I do today to start to nourish my health?

So I typically, and this is what I tell our telehealth patients,

is pick something on the physiological side

and something on the mental emotional spiritual side

that you can do for yourself today.

So your guide, as I mentioned earlier,

it's 75% of the immune system.

It's your second brain.

So do something to be supportive of gut health

as tremendously like something that I do

to support my mental health.

So I do lots of soups and stews, like broths

that are almost pre-digested in a way.

It is easy to digest because it's kind of cooked soft meat,

cooked soft vegetables.

It is like a proverbial CS step for the gut.

And like any one of our ancestors,

depending on where you came from,

like the cliche of chicken soup when you're sick,

it's not the noodles that are the healthy part.

It's the fact that it is this sort of calming medicine

to the gut, the second brain.

So I do lots of soups and stews when I'm stressed out.

It's like kind of restorative to the gut,

it's grounding to a stressed out nervous system.

And then making a consistent practice to breath work,

I wear one of these transcutaneous vagal nerves,

stimulators, have you tried that?

No, what is up?

It's like, they're almost like,

way that I describe it.

It feels like an e-stem,

but on your ear or on your neck.

And it's getting these branches,

the regular branch of the vagus nerve,

which are responsible for that resting, digesting,

the parasympathetic aspect of the nervous system.

So I like it because it's something passive I can do

without having to do another thing,

which is again, can be stressful.

It's just to leave it on in it.

Leave it on for 20 minutes.

There's many devices that are doing,

that are many companies that are making these devices.

They all have really compelling data,

and they're a great way to stimulate that weak nerve.

Because most people, maybe you're not,

many people out there that have busy lives,

and our fight or flight response is very easily overactive.

That sympathetic fight or flight freeze fawn is overactive.

What is weak in us?

It's that resting digesting.

It's the parasympathetic.

So we need to bring in supporters of the parasympathetic

and yes, food is important with that.

Like the healthier you can get your gut,

it's supporting the parasympathetic,

but we also need to bring in these other practices,

some meditation, breath, work, grounding.

Like why there's so many conversations

around these happening in the world

is because we're so freaking stressed out as a society,

and we need to strengthen the vagus nerve.

So it's kind of like a seesaw,

like the sympathetic is overactive,

parasympathetic is underactive.

We need to sort of regulate it a bit more.

That's what nervous system regulations are all about.

So those are some things I find successful

for myself.

Magnesium is a game changer for me.

That's sort of taken up.

Cool.

What type of like form of it?

Magnesium glycinate, glycinate, yeah.

Yeah, it's a great, well absorbable form.

Yeah, it's responsible for hundreds of different pathways.

I look at labs all day long

and most people are deficient in magnesium.

And even if they're eating good foods

and even if they're no nutrient-dense foods,

supplementing is appropriate here,

but you want to make sure

that these absorbable forms of it,

and not just ones that you're, you know,

because magnesium citrate has its place,

I'm not saying it doesn't have its place,

but it's what people take when they have constipation.

And it's not being absorbed as readily.

So I like kind of magnesium complexes.

I have one that's called Mag 18 from longevity racks,

and I like, this is 18 different forms of magnesium

with a D3K too.

I take that too.

Which is another very common deficiency.

Our brain needs it.

Our nervous system needs these things.

Magnesium D3K too.

So yeah, that's another game changer.

Yeah, my D3 was 24.

I've always had a D3 deficiency

on every single block test I've taken.

Yeah, even living in Vegas.

Yeah, I'm inside all day, but yeah.

Yeah, okay, yeah.

But even in Vegas, people still have it.

Oh, 100%.

I see people tell the health patients in Vegas, Miami,

Scottsdale, you'd think, okay, these people would be fine now.

Well, first of all, like to your point,

they may live there, but they're not outside

in the heat of the day.

But even beyond that, it is, we're covered up

with our clothing.

We're not walking around with, you know,

loincloths, most of us aren't at least.

And then we're in sunscreen

and kind of overcorrecting with the protection sometimes too.

That's inhibiting the nutrient.

Our brain needs this.

Our brain is rich with these vitamin D receptor sites.

Our mood is so important.

Our nervous system is so important.

Our immune system is so important.

Our cardiovascular health is so important.

And then on top of that, these environmental toxic burdens,

it's depleting these nutrients

because the body's spending more than it's taking in.

So I'm most of our telehealth patients

when they're meeting us, they are supplementing,

but they're still deficient.

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So yes, it's a gut health and absorption issue,

but I also think it's an expenditure issue.

That when the body is stressed out,

it's just utilizing more magnesium, vitamin D3

vitamins to just maintain homeostasis or even try.

That makes sense.

To maintain homeostasis.

So when you kind of deregulate or down,

destress the body, improve gut health, lower inflammation,

then the expenditure goes down.

And you can like, okay, just use food as medicine

and not be dependent on supplements.

So when you do a lab, is that measuring gut health

like a blood test?

Blood test can measure some gut mild biomarkers,

like lipopolysaccharides is one.

This is the bacterial toxin.

That when you hear people talk about leaky gut syndrome, right?

Things are passing through the gut

that shouldn't be able to pass through the gut.

Those, that is the seminal event of what researchers say

is triggers inflammatory problems, autoimmune problems.

So that could be measured via blood,

but typically a gut health test is gonna be stool

and then some blood biomarkers.

Blood tests are looking at your metabolism,

hormones, inflammation levels, the immune system,

cardiometabolic markers.

Yeah, so those are,

so we run typically blood test stool tests

during saliva tests,

depending on why that person's health history needs,

what determine what biomarkers are appropriate.

Okay, so I might have to get a stool test on.

Yeah, and on any time you want the stuff reached out.

Thank you.

Yeah, I feel like since the gut is so important,

everyone should be getting a stool test, right?

It should be part of like a PCP.

It should be part of like a general practitioner.

And that's what we're trying to change, right?

Even from a governmental standpoint

to democratize this information

because it is so important.

And we're only a few decades away

when we're gonna be forced to kind of really recognize

the what we're talking about at a conference like this.

Me talking about longevity, yes,

I can get it kind of get to like the sort of the niche

academic sort of pathways,

but aren't just a real person,

even if you're not in the health space,

you're gonna have to figure this stuff out.

You're gonna have to look at the food you're eating

and have to look at the environmental talks

and component, you have to look at your gut health

if you want a healthy life

or if you want your family to live a healthy life.

These are gonna be a human issue

whether we want to talk about it or not.

Yeah, because right now,

if you go to the doctor to get a checkup,

they're not testing the doctor.

Exactly, they're trained to diagnose a disease

and match it with a medication.

It's, that's the training.

So this is an indictment of a particular,

your local doctor.

This is a system issue that is really looking

in this medicinal matching game.

And that's another thing that we're trying to change

on a sort of policies standpoint

of shifting what universities,

medical schools are even teaching people

because the majority of patients

that they're seeing are sick and there

because of lifestyle changes.

But yet, researchers have shown in studies

that the average doctor, medical doctor

that's conventionally trained

would fail a basic nutrition test.

What's ironic or as wild.

But then they refer out to RIDs

and it's sort of the orthodoxy of like,

the food pyramid or the my plate.

And I mean, we're spending more on healthcare

than any industrialized nation.

Yet we have the shortest lifespan

and the most chronic disease of all industrialized nations.

So it's the definition of insanity.

Yeah, 71 for males now, right?

Yeah, crazy.

It is, yeah, it is wild.

And we're the most medicated.

We're the most medicated.

It is not working for us.

It's doing the same thing repeatedly

and expecting a different result.

Yeah, so it's, it's great if you need medications

and some people do need to be on medication.

So I'm not saying it's all bad,

but it's a lot of people more than ever before

in human history are falling through the cracks

of this sort of reductive view of human health.

Things are changing.

There's pockets of good stuff

and mainstream institutions

like the Cleveland Clinic have functional medicine centers

now.

They didn't have that 16 years ago

when I only got into this space.

So it's becoming more and more mainstream

and like the convergence

and having more of a both end,

not either or approach to healthcare.

That's how we're going to help people.

Because there's a time and place obviously

for medication.

There's a time and place for surgeries, of course.

Like, they can be a godsend.

But what do you do for the epidemic rise

of chronic health problems?

Like you can't, or we can try to,

but we've tried already and we're failing

at just giving more pharmaceuticals out

when these people are not sick

with chronic health problems

from a pharmaceutical deficiency.

Yeah.

So let's figure out what's causing it.

For sure.

You mentioned trying to change the policy earlier.

Have you gotten any progress on that

or it takes a long time?

Yeah, I'm not in, I'm not in DC.

I'm there if they ever need a functional

medicine perspective on things.

But I have been a part of the conversations,

let's just say that.

I've been a part of the conversations

of the maha movement and getting,

I'm more actually interested in not the federal policy.

I'm more interested in the increased awareness

that this maha movement has done.

For the average person,

I talked to some corporate heads at Walmart a few months ago.

And they were telling me how the average Walmart customer

was asking about questions of their ingredients

and their food.

Really?

Yeah, they've improved label literacy

because of this information.

So yeah, to answer your question.

Yeah, I think that I'm excited about what this coalition,

this diverse coalition of people are doing within the movement.

I think Secretary Kennedy is doing amazing things.

He's a brave, brave man.

Cali means as a friend of mine.

Cali means as a good friend of mine.

These people are good people.

They're righteous people trying to do great things

in a really dark system.

So I think the dietary guidelines rolling out

and really focusing on nutrient density,

calling out ultra-process foods,

having a meaningful conversations and not demonizing things

like healthy fats, not demonizing things like red meat

and good quality dairy.

These whole foods that have been really,

there's been a lot of stigma around them for a long time.

And you can see statistics of,

since the dietary guidelines originally came out in the 1980s,

the rate of obesity has gone up exponentially.

And you could, the average American consumption,

saturated fat has gone down.

Healthy fats have gone down since the 1980s.

Refined carbohydrate consumption has gone up since the 1980s.

I mean, it's the base of the food pyramid.

It's the bulk of the my plate.

And what have we seen in that time span?

An epidemic rise of chronic health problems.

Of course, I'm not saying it's just the dietary guidelines,

but the dietary guidelines informs conversations

with doctors and dietitians, informs the average public awareness

on what is quote unquote healthy.

And it shifts marketplaces.

It shifts startups, it shifts companies

to start to provide innovative ways.

And it shifts what?

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They're feeding in public schools.

It shifts what they're feeding people in hospitals.

I mean, just go to a hospital.

Anybody that's eaten in hospital food, it's like cliche.

What is it based on?

The dietary guidelines.

So we are set up to fail.

It's what we feed our military.

It's what we feed our people in prison.

So I think the dietary guidelines

in what Secretary Kennedy is trying to do

is profoundly important.

I think closing these generally recognizes safe.

These grass loopholes where we can get these sort of

ingredients that are completely toxic

and require warning labels in other countries.

I'm trying to close those.

Getting junk food and sodas and sugary drinks

out of the SNAP programs is a no-brainer.

This is just common-sense nutrition stuff.

And we have a long way to go.

But I think we're in the right track.

And we've never had a group of outsiders get on the inside.

And you could see the hyperventilating

that's happening in D.C.

I mean, the hubris, the arrogance,

as if they've been some amazing success, the orthodoxy.

I mean, it is they death protest too much, as they say.

Yeah, I saw some of those.

I don't know if you were part of that group

that went to what was a court or something to protest.

Yeah, I was at the announcing of the phasing out

of the artificial food dies.

I got to be on stage with it.

That was a big deal of regrets.

Yeah, and that was a big one.

That started out with Kellogg's.

Is this my water?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, that Kellogg's petition was crazy.

Yeah, we all, food baby, right?

Yeah, Vaughnihari.

Have you, she been on their podcast?

No.

Oh, she's actually nice, yeah.

So yeah, we all went to Michigan, where Kellogg's was.

And this is right before the election.

And we didn't know what it would become.

And that was right around the time where this,

what I think it made Mahat to the next level

of this sort of diverse coalition of people

in the long-term medicine space,

people in the nutrition space, people in the food activism,

the environmental space, and just average moms and dads

and people that know just common sense

that what we're doing isn't working.

And we need to do something different to see something different.

And then exploded.

And of course, the media kind of twisted everything

and made it just about the food dies.

It's not just about the food dies,

but I think it was a good line in the sand of saying,

look, if anything, the food dies.

Like me, it was the 11th hour of these things.

It was already, the legislation was already on the table.

I mean, they phased that one,

we read diet three, whatever it was,

the last hour before the administration took over,

the Biden administration took it out.

That's why these conversations were happening,

because we thought it was going to be,

when I say we, but mainly Bonnie Hari and Jason Carr,

but you know Jason?

No.

Amazing, another amazing guy.

They thought, this is something

that could bring everybody together.

Who could contest artificial food dies?

Because there's a lot of different opinions

within nutrition as far as that's really fast

and protein and carbs or no carbs, high fat, low fat.

But artificial food dies.

The group thought, this is something that's universal.

Let's bring people together.

But then, because we didn't realize

there's so much toxic tribalism,

even to the level of the cognitive dissonance

of fighting for food dies.

The amount of people that I just,

out of the woodwork that just would die on the diet bill,

it is, it's already banned in other countries though.

I know, but they just hate someone so bad,

President Trump, and RFK,

and RFK that they can't even come together

on the things that they otherwise would come together on.

And that's what you're dealing with.

You're really dealing with someone

that's so committed to misunderstanding

and committed to being contrarian.

That's easy to go at that point.

It is, it's easy to go.

Okay, yes, so many haters on them,

especially from the farm industry.

Yeah, but at that point, it's like, I get here.

But like, isn't that the sign of,

he's on the right track?

Like, look at the people that are really,

like their brains are breaking about it.

Like to me, that's like the easiest,

most elementary level of me and like, yeah.

The system that created the most chronic disease

in human history, if they're freaking out about it,

I think we're doing the right thing.

Yeah, well, it's become a business, right?

Yeah, it's like the fourth largest GDP in the world.

Yeah, I mean, the most profitable thing

and right now in our society is a sick person.

I mean, it is the sick care system for a reason.

Yeah.

So it's almost like, if we're just being logical about it,

how do we get out of that, you know?

That's a business point of view.

Yeah.

And how do we empower people?

Because I mean, look, it's just, it's,

if I'm doing a good job with our telehealth patients,

I become obsolete.

I don't want a forever patient.

But I don't want a patient in perpetuity.

I want to get to the point where I'm powering them

and then we can move on to the next person.

Because there's not, there's so much,

there's so many people to help,

but these sort of perpetual customer that's revolving door,

it is how the system set up.

It is disease management, which again, has its place,

but it is the sort of orthodoxy

around chronic health that's failing us.

It's failing us as a society.

Absolutely.

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Thanks a lot, people watch our show and keep up with you.

Thanks, man, for the opportunity.

This went by so quickly.

Yeah.

You were pleased.

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