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0:00One in the grip of oppression I fought for my liberty I've paid with the blood of my people Freedom has never been free Now my door's always open To dreamers and prayers When I'm a child I protect and deepen Because my name is America Hello everyone and welcome Happy Spring This is Karen Shone and you are listening to the prism of America's education Brought to you on the America out loud dot news network With our wonderful sponsor the wellness company Please check them out and make sure that you are well because nobody else is going to do it for you

1:00Only you can make sure you are well Folks I said happy spring because we have just changed and we are now in the spring equinox Which will help the weather change and probably people's attitudes People usually wake up and get excited in spring We are getting rid of the grey dingy winter And it is always wonderful to watch the weather change Oh my goodness it changes how about that And change it has especially with President Trump Who actually went to school when science was taught And learned that carbon dioxide is necessary for life Not a poisonous gas There are many gases that we need for our life But carbon dioxide is probably the most important as it is in everything we do

2:02President Trump has made some wonderful changes And I say that he has gotten us out of the what if era What does that mean? Well if we go back and we look at some of Obama's policies They were not real policies What he did was have NOAA Or the other agencies plug things into the computer in a what if scenario And then come back and say oh you got to live by that Because this is what is going to happen making a gospel instead of what if And the perfect example of that is the fishing industry as I live in Florida And many, many little fishing village towns were closed Because recreational fishing was almost out of existence especially the red snappers And I remember working with several captains and they said Karen the way it works is they go to the computer and they say

3:07What if we lost 100,000 pounds of red snapper what would happen? Oh my goodness we would have red snapper they would be an endangered species Well Obama came back and said guess what folks red snapper is an endangered species And therefore you can't fish for it anymore And we're going to close the fishing industry for red snapper And you can only go for two weekends a year for red snapper fishing Well we were living by what if policies and that never works So I have asked a good friend of the show Sterling Burnett from the Hartland Institute Who is also the director of the Arthur V. Robinson Center on climate and environmental policies He has studied that to join me today and let us go through some of the new things that President Trump has done

4:08That will help us in the future Sterling thank you so much for joining me it's always wonderful to have you on the show I always enjoy it thanks for having me back yeah we live in exciting times Yes we certainly do one of the things that I think people are very confused about was what started the ball rolling And that was called the Chevron Deference Act but it was the Chevron Deference What is that what are all these words what do they mean and how did that affect us and change things and change the way we think Well Chevron Deference it actually wasn't an act it wasn't an act of Congress it was a court ruling In the case in a case called I think it was Chevron might have been Chevron the EPA but I'm not sure In that case it was a matter of science that was a question and Chevron was suing the overturned decision

5:11And the courts had decided how they had to decide how to decide you know the science was being tested And so the courts made a ruling and they they deferred to the EPA's authority And at the time the Supreme Court upheld that saying yeah look courts are not scientific bodies And so we deferred to the ruling agencies unless they have science that is demonstrably way out of the mainstream You should assume that they're doing what is right Now that ruling lasted for was basically the powerful ruling for two decades controlling ruling over numerous cases Cases would come up didn't have to be oil and gas it could be any kind of case But if an agency made a ruling often the court would say well they'd they'd refer it Chevron the Chevron case and say we're deferring to the agency because the Supreme Court said this is what you're supposed to do if the science is contested

6:20Unless something really unusual you know unless they're using really really bad science Well that Chevron difference is no more the courts the Supreme Court a few years back Actually I think during early Biden maybe let late Trump they a case came before them and they said we've gone too far with the Chevron difference You really do need to make some kind of determinations as to whether the science that they are referencing is justified You can't just defer just because the agency says it doesn't mean they're using the best science you should have some demonstrations some evidence They should have to present some evidence right in saying we will we say it's good science And so Chevron difference is no more that's important Because now courts you're able to go into court and say not just say well yeah the agency said this but it's like no look here's the science

7:30The agency is saying this and it's wrong because the science says it's wrong you can't just defer to what the agency says the science says Well that's quite interesting especially when we know how corrupt the agencies are and they're being paid off by the people who want that particular policy in place like no carbon dioxide how wrong was that one Well yeah that's it you know it's like the agencies people talk about corruption other being paid I don't think it's payment Because the agency gets paid by the federal government what it is is power it's mission creeped by the agencies The EPA get pick your off by the agency I don't want to pick just on the EPA the Forest Service Department of Education Health and Human Services they were all created to solve a problem Whether you think the federal government should have been in the business of solving those particular problems you know whether you think the Constitution allows it we can debate that

8:34But they were created to solve a problem not a single one of them not one has ever solved the problem that they were created to solve Instead rather than solving that problem they have had mission creeped Instead of focusing all the researchers on solving the problem they were meant to solve they have found other problems that they say need solving And so they asked for bigger budgets and more power and that's what that's what happened you know you mentioned CO2 The endangerment finding that that's one of the big things the biggest thing well maybe not the biggest thing I think the biggest thing Trump has done to briefly diverge is he got us out of 60 different treaties and agreements international agreements All in one fell swoop more than 60 I think it was 66 on a single day back in mid-February

9:36The greatest single seizure of US sovereignty back from the UN and other international agencies in my lifetime He said no longer will these international agencies be able to tell us or dictate to us what standards we should have for all sorts of things And one of the things he got us out of was the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change Which all these climate treaties and all the funding that we've given to the UN for climate change That's gone that's over Trump did that in one day Since then the biggest thing he's done and this is the biggest domestic policy issue is he's rescinded the what's called the endangerment finding And I don't want to stall you off if you have further questions but I'll go I'll go into that if you want me to Please do because this is very important that we understand what his policy changes mean and how they will affect us Okay I just wanted to give you a chance to get a question because it's a little a little complicated

10:38So back in 2007 Massachusetts sued the federal government wanting to force them to update automobile standards for greenhouse gas emissions Because greenhouse gas emissions were not regulated under the various statutes from automobile Well greenhouse gases at all weren't regulated under a clean air actor any statute This was tail pop emissions from automobiles And Massachusetts said you're not imposing restrictions on automobiles tail pop emissions for CO2 and other greenhouse gases And we think you should under the clean air And the Bush administration that's who was in power at the time They said no we don't think we have the authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate tail pop emissions for CO2 We got other gases and we regulate those but not CO2

11:42And the Supreme Court in a ruling said wait a minute it was a contested ruling it's five to four ruling And the majority's found that anything that is emitted into the air by humans is a pollutant So when you exhale a CO2 you exhale is a pollutant The water vapor you put into the air is a pollutant Get that water bit clouds I'm just thinking clouds how is that a pollutant? clouds anybody but it's anything humans emit and they said we have an expansive reading of the Clean Air Act You're supposed to regulate and make air clean not just regulate those those chemicals that the Clean Air Act specifies you get to regulate And so we say you have the power to regulate CO2 if you find it in dangerous human healthy environment The Bush administration basically pointed they said no we're not going to do that

12:51We don't we'll study it we'll see we'll see what's in there but then Obama comes in and Obama comes in and the first year in his EPA says oh we find it in dangerous CO2 In dangerous human healthy environment now we have all this new power And they they didn't do an independent review of the science what they did is said oh well the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change says it's in danger It's a danger to us not that it is a pollutant in the traditional sense you breathe it if you breathe it in you're not dying It has to be much much higher levels in the environment before it's toxic human beings or animals it for that matter But because of climate change is causing dangerous climate change long term now the Clean Air Act wasn't meant to look at broad issues It was meant to look at emissions from power plants that or other factories that affect people's health today

13:55Not 200 years from now not indirectly 200 years from now because it might cause the seas to rise It was this is making people sick now and it was making people sick in identical people in identifiable areas we actually have control over So it wasn't meant to regulate it wasn't problems in Africa it was meant to prevent health problems in Pittsburgh for instance So but the EPA saw this is a great way to expand its power They issued the endangerment finding and that's how we got to regulate automobile emissions Now we've been fighting over that ever since it's been tied up in court back and forth we gave California the right to set stricter standards We were putting the auto industry out of out of business but once it was on the books as people like myself predicted If it applies to automobile standards it would also apply to factories and power plants and of course that's precisely where Obama went

14:55With his clean power plant shutting down coal and he told you when he ran for office to be fair Obama did not lie Obama ran and he said we're going to put a coal plant out of business you investing coal you're going to go out of business Prices are going to have to go higher because we're fighting climate change he said that and when he got into power that's precisely what he did And he used the endangerment finding to justify it The thing that always got me was that they never said as you just said this is going to help you today This is going to be for 30 years from now or 40 years from now knowing full well that the people in charge will never be around And if it doesn't work like the majority like all of the things that they told us never work Who remembers 30 years ago that our air was supposed to be cleaned 30 years from now So they do things that are on purpose that make no sense Yeah well but no it makes perfect sense if what you're really trying to do is expand the power of government

16:00If you want if you're a bureaucrat and you want more levels of bureaucracy you want higher funding you want promotions and you want more power over people Over industries you really don't understand these guys at the EPA they've never run a successful company But they think they can tell you how to run yours So for them it makes perfect sense for us it's destroying the economy It's limiting economic growth is making things every bit more expensive One of the reasons we have what we call the affordability crisis today is all these regulations which are just hidden taxes imposed upon the economy Yeah I don't think people realize what that actually did to the automobile they had to make them lighter which of course made them less safe So you're doing one thing but then it affects something else and makes the situation worse instead of better

17:02Lighter, smaller, except what happened was you know this is the funny thing People figure out workarounds right? So at one time in this country back in the 70s there was a vehicle that was fairly common it was called the station wagon A long car with multiple rows of seats and room in the back for storage And it disappeared largely disappeared for about 20 years it's some of its back now but you don't see them like you used to But at the same time you didn't have something back in the 70s called a minivan or you just had a couple SUVs but they weren't called that They were called work utility vehicles You had a couple of them that had already come out the international harvester scout was the first I think the Ford Bronco was the second maybe the Chevy Blazer and the Jeep Wagoneer But they were just coming online many vans hadn't even been discovered

18:06Christopher produced the first minivan why? Well because they were large and they were categorized not as cars but like trucks so they had a different fuel economy standard So they could get fewer miles per gallon without having to pay a tax And so many vans took off in popularity and so did SUVs So in one sense the clean air laws for automobiles created a whole new class of vehicles that replaced the sedan There's a reason why so many auto companies don't even make large sedans anymore People start buying SUVs why they wanted the comfort of a sedan but they couldn't get it at an affordable price Because the taxes on it under the cafe standards well EPA tried to foreclose that loophole with the CO2 standards that they applied across the board They treated like trucks and cars the same Visa piece to year two Right and what I remember what I remember is when they started taking away those really comfortable sedans

19:09And replaced them with little Volkswagen beetles And we were supposed to instead of being on a trip and enjoying the comfort of your car You were crammed and forced to sit in a particular way that was all uncomfortable that you didn't want to drive Maybe that was the whole thing Well, that of course probably was as they they they wanted to end automobile automobility the freedom That Americans have almost uniquely to travel where they won't when they want the automobile because it's affordable and cheap One second I got to let my dog out Okay Dog Yes and I remember as a child when we used to drive up to our summer cabin One of the things I enjoyed the most was being able to stretch out on the back seat And my sister wasn't sitting on top of me so I didn't have a reason to yell at her

20:13But it happened on long trips We used to have a car called a Chrysler Newport they haven't made it a long time But I don't know if you remember car sedans back then So you had the back seat but then you had sort of a shelf behind the back seat a little area Behind the back seat that you could set things on or you could even lay on And we used to go to drive in and what my brother would lay up there because a little bit more smaller And I'd lay in the seat and we fall asleep on my mom and dad were watching the movie But you could do that in a sedan. The thing the thing that people wanted The government decided that you should care that the main thing you should care about is how many miles per gallon your car gets And if you care about that, that's fine But the government shouldn't be dictating that that's your sole concern Most people cared about whether your car had power to merge onto the freeway at a reasonable amount of space

21:13How comfortable it was, how safe it was There were a lot of things people cared about that had nothing whatsoever to do and overrode their concern for fuel economy And that was, and the proof of that, the proof of that was that as they ratcheted up fuel economy standards More and more people left automobiles and went to SUVs or pickup trucks When we were young, Karen, pickup trucks had a single bench seat and a bed You didn't have double wide cabs with bucket seats, seating for five or six Before you had the double wide, you then had a little bench seat in the back seat that were on the sides You would sit, you had a little, you chose me space with two little fold down seats in the back behind the front seat But they folded down from the side so your legs were inward as opposed to forward And then they went to big king cabs

22:14Where you basically had the room of a sedan and the comforts of a sedan Why? People still wanted the utility and the comfort of a big car and trucks gave them that Whereas modern cars, people had to get squeezed into smaller and smaller, less safe, less powerful cars That you couldn't put the soccer team in or the baseball team in when I was a kid with baseball team That you couldn't take everyone to a birthday party, you know, you couldn't do that in a small car But you could pile them all into the minivan Exactly So that's how it came about And the CO2 emission rule was just a step farther down that road It didn't put you in ever larger vehicles because they started to be regulated like car cars It puts you in electric cars or hybrids Right, and then when you're driving along the highway and I think of i10 That's the one that I use the most And you see these little tiny putt putts that remind me of golf carts

23:17Next to these huge humongous 18 wheelers God forbid there's an accident that car is a goner no matter what So what safety did they help us? They didn't again, and that's where I say they don't want us to have cars They didn't want us to have cars Like I said, it was never about safety, it was always about power for the regulator And the endangement finding was the ultimate expansion of power for regulators Because if they can regulate CO2, the very air you exhale They can regulate the entire economy because everything everything we do Involves committing CO2 from farming to plastics manufacturing For the hospital gear you got to your computer laptop to your cell phone To what you drive to transportation It puts them in everything

24:18It puts them in the driver's seat It puts them in the driver's seat And let's all that thought because we have to come up on a break And we have a lot more to discuss so sterling You're going to come back and we'll continue this conversation Don't go away folks, this is Karen Shone You're listening to the prism of America's education Brought to you on the America out loud.newsnetwork And we will be back to continue this incredible conversation This is Dr. Peter McCullough, you know me from America out loud pulse And the McCullough report While I'm inviting you to join me in Nashville, July 2nd, 3rd and 4th For a truly historic experience in 2026 America out loud news, 250 slash 10, Nashville I'm calling all Patreons to be a part of this unforgettable weekend Packed with Inspired Entertainment, incredible fireworks And nationally recognized speakers who proudly stand for freedom

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31:40Yep, on April 8th and 9th in Washington, DC at the Hotel Washington We're hosting our 16th International Conference on Climate Change We've got some partners, CO2 Coalition, CFAC, what's up with that? They're co-hosting the event But we've been doing this for, I was going to say 16 years, it's more than 16 years but it's 16 events And we gather the top scientific, economic and policy authorities who take a realist point of view on the science And at this coming conference, things have changed with the Trump administration And so this conference has a little bit more of a positive outlook than some of the past conferences has We're going to have one panel that's all about bringing youth into the climate-realist movement With some young people who started out on one side of the climate debate and wound up on our side Basically they looked at the data and they said the world isn't doomed and we shouldn't be telling generations of kids

32:44That they're dying and it's their parents fault We've got a panel on people from industry who actually have been affected by the regulations And then we've got a number of scientific panels that are talking about bad predictions that have been made in the past Based on climate models, problems with accounting for clouds, problems with the temperature station data from the surface All sorts of discussions, we have a Nobel Prize winner that we'll be speaking And we have Lee Zeldin, administrator of Trump's Environmental Protection Agency who will lead off the conference with a plenary presentation We're also going to have the governor of West Virginia, Patrick Morrissey So we've got some pretty prominent people coming to talk to 200 or so people about the world is not coming to an end Drive what you want, hopefully you'll be paying less for goods and services going forward Because we're going to get the affordability crisis center to control. Once we get government out of the business of dictating what kind of energy you use

33:50Yeah, that is a biggie because that's the one to me that affects everything And Obama said if you are interested in investing in coal, we're going to put you out of business I said prices are going to go up because coal and amazingly enough, the coal-fired plants are so much cleaner That they're hardly putting any pollutants if at all into the atmosphere So rather than looking at the industry and saying clean yourself up, they said, oh, what if so we're going to get rid of you And that to me was the ultimate of control because I believe that whoever controls the power controls the country, whoever controls the food controls the people And they were looking at country first You said something that I thought was incredibly important and that is the effect of these policies on our economy

34:54What did that do to us? Well, it's slow economic growth and for some periods of time it actually decimated economic growth It made housing prices a lot higher You got to have noticed that your housing prices went up Well, that's because all the goods that go into housing, your metals for your fittings, your wood for your framing, your concrete It's all more expensive now, why? Because the fuel used to log, to cut, to form concrete All of that fuel was gone up, all the transportation costs had gone up Your energy costs have gone up because they have mandated wind and solar, which A is more expensive and B doesn't work on the time So you've got power plants sitting around part of the day doing nothing and then being asked to ramp up at a very, very short period of time to supply power when the wind's not blowing or the sun's not shining

35:54Absolutely I want to, this is a very interesting thing that happened to me I applied for in Florida, there were grants that were issued as a result of all of the hurricanes that we had The area that I live in is not what is considered a high impact area Meaning that we can have regular windows, we don't have to have the way overly expensive impact windows Well, in order to get this grant, I was told that I have to put in those expensive impact windows because that's what the grant focused on Now that added another $5,000 to the cost of my windows that make absolutely no sense because I am not in an area where I would get 200 mile and hour winds And if I did, the whole area would be devastated and there wouldn't be anything anybody could do about it

36:57So what they have done with these regulations is they have they're making no sense at all And instead of improving on the goods goods that we have and making them satisfactory and functional They say no, you have to change it and have high impact windows for example When regular windows would have suffice So adding onto the price of housing, you're absolutely right, makes the house cost so much more that it becomes cost prohibitive in order to be able to even build that house Well here in Texas, so we've got coal here in Texas, we had power plants where you'd mind the coal and you'd ship it up a shoot and go straight to the power plant, on site power plants But we have a lot of natural gas and oil, you may have heard that Texas has some oil So we have plenty of energy here in Texas, but the powers that be said, oh you've got to have wind, oh you've got to have solar

38:02Well you build wind out in west Texas where no one needs the power So then you have to build thousands and thousands of miles of transmission lines, new transmission lines To bring the power from where the wind turbines are built to the cities where they say they need the power The problem is they built the turbines before they built the line, so you had these turbines spinning and providing no power to anyone So they ladle all they transmission costs for the wind on the rate payers As opposed to making the power company that built their wind out there paid for the waters Then they say, oh you know you need solar, and so they're building these solar farms here where we're putting one in the rooftops And so on a hot center day in Texas, first off the solar panels lose power because it's too hot The electrons don't work very well, if it goes above 78 degrees in Texas, we routinely sit above 95 to 97 degrees in the summer

39:03Hundreds, hundreds not unnormal, but even if not it only gets down to 80 But you've got these solar panels, right? And so you've got solar panels here But we also have something else common in Texas besides heat and sun, hail storms and tornadoes And do you know what doesn't do with hail storms and tornadoes solar facilities? And so they build these facilities for parts of the day, they're providing almost all the power for Texas They say, oh it's cheaper than you know, it's almost free And then night comes, but the coal plant that existed Well, it can't work just part of the day, it's like a hotel And they say, well part of the week you can have 80% occupancy, but the other part of the week is going to be like 20% You go out of business as a hotel if you've got 20% occupancy regularly In a restaurant, if you don't have patrons, if you don't have 80% of your tables filled most of the time

40:05You'll go out of business pretty quick Well that's what they were doing to coal plants, they were shutting down coal plants Because they couldn't compete with solar on the sunny days But then when the solar went away or a hail storm came through, there was no power So all of a sudden we had to pay huge amounts of power for peaker plants Which are natural gas plants to come online at short notice with high gas prices And it wasn't the gas plants fault, they have to sit around with the gas on the pipelines ready to ramp up They're sitting around just like the coal plants were, but they can go up and down So our prices, 10 years ago, Texas had the lowest power prices in our region And they had been going down under competition With the addition of wind and solar, we now have the fastest rising prices in our region And the highest prices in our region And they say, oh, wind and solar are cheap Well, not in Evans on my power ability

41:05No, and then they put instead of saying this is really the cost of electricity They'll say, well, we have this fee and we have this charge And we have this extra and we have this universal whatever And all of a sudden you're paying $30, $40 extra in fees and charges And it has nothing to do with the power when really that's what it is Well, yeah, an honest labeling fee in Texas would require a line item that says This is how much we're taking from you to build power lines for wind turbines In power, you're actually not using because you're not in Austin But you're paying for this It's a long thing, but if they were honestly labeling power, that's what they'd be doing They're talking about building a power line now that's going to add another 20 to $40 to our bill

42:06To run power lines to West Texas oil fields Not because there's a huge population boom In the West Texas oil fields, but because they want to build wind turbines out there That's insane Yeah, well, I'm sorry That's almost as insane as that's almost as insane of driving over the highways And seeing where there used to be gorgeous orchards and citrus fields And tomato plants and fabulous produce And instead we're seeing solar farm after solar farm after solar farm And I don't know about you, but I don't like the taste of solar panels Yeah, well, I don't I've stopped calling them farms. I call them industrial facilities Because when you label them farms, it sounds like something good Instead, what they are is they should be treated like any other industrial factory or power plant

43:09Most people don't think power most people think industrial facilities are pretty unsightly They really don't want one in their neighborhood But farms, oh, we like farms, so I'm trying to be more careful with my language I think that's a good thing. I think industrial waste facilities Because that's what they are. They're wasting the facilities And then they'd say, well, we'll get our food from Mexico We'll get our food from quite a mile or Honduras without taking into consideration How does it get here? And what pesticides do they use down there that we don't use here? Exactly What are the labor standards down there as opposed to here? And whether the most important thing they're not thinking to count is Is it really a good thing to be offshoring our food supply? Well, ask how that worked out during COVID when we off short all our manufacturing for drugs

44:10Yeah, I don't think that's a good idea Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea So yeah, if we want to buy fruit from Guatemala, I've got nothing against that But if we can grow it here, why not grow it here? And instead of subsidizing solar, we should be subsidizing farmers I'm not sure that I'm not in favor of subsidies, but I do know what the weather does due to the farming But I also know that if we produce, the people will buy it And now people are asking more where is this coming from And of course, you have to be careful, folks, because one of the things that they stop doing And I noticed that with beef is they stopped saying country of origin on the beef So it's coming from Mexico or Canada or the US And we have no idea where it's really coming from So if you're in an area where you can buy anything local, go visit the farmer that you're going to buy from

45:14And make a deal with the farmer because you'll find that the food is a lot better quality Let's talk, let's talk for just a second if we could about the perversity of the energy policy That puts Russian gas over US gas So under Obama, the states in the Northeast, particularly Massachusetts, they said They've got natural gas up there in northwestern Pennsylvania, in upstate New York In Pennsylvania, they're drilling for gas in oil And they want to build pipelines to Massachusetts, to Boston, to New York, to other places, to Maryland And those states said no, no, no, we don't want any pipelines Natural gas is bad, yeah, it's produced domestically, but it's bad It's bad for climate change, we won't win in solar and hydro from Canada, which is where they're getting a lot of their power now Because it's better to pay Canadians than it is to pay Americans So anyway, they stopped these pipelines from being built

46:14And then the winner came in Massachusetts, and they needed energy And they couldn't get energy from their hydro, their wind, and their solar And so what do they do? They didn't get gas from Pennsylvania because it had no way of getting to Massachusetts They shut down the pipelines What they did is they imported gas from Russia Yeah, we powered Putin's war machine The governor of Massachusetts, the mayor of Boston, powered Putin's war machine as they complain about Putin's war machine But they powered it, they fed it, they funded it By importing Russian gas rather than getting gas from Pennsylvania Well, that makes a lot of sense And those are the people that the DEI hired That those are our DEI hired At one time the power system was designed by engineers, and it was built for two things Because every state controlled its own power system, the federal government hadn't gotten involved to make things cheaper

47:18And the power, the utility commissions had two charges Make power reliable and make power affordable And those were their two charges Now, so it was designed by engineers to do just that and it worked Now power systems are increasingly designed by politicians who aren't engineers for goals other than affordability and reliability And you get what we have now, unaffordable power, unreliable power, more breakdowns than ever before in history And politicians running on affordability, not climate change anymore But when they get in power, like the governor of the new governors of Virginia and New Jersey who ran on affordability The Democrats made their power unaffordable They made their power unreliable And then that Democrats came in and said Oh, we're going to solve the crisis, not mentioning they were the ones that called the crisis And what are their solutions?

48:19The same policies that made power unaffordable in the first place So they're doubling down on bad policies Well, that sounds very familiar aren't they doing the same thing in California? They shut down all of the power and the gas stations are now closing Truckers can't get fuel From what I read, the ports are filling up with containers that can't be removed because they have no fuel to get the container ships To get them out of loaded And then they can't have truckers because they have these standards that you'll go out of business and you're trucking company if you try to implement them So California is now bringing in fuel from the Caribbean Yeah, it has to be shipped And it has to be shipped to California And then they sit back and say I wonder why our gas is $10 a gallon Yeah, why do we can't afford houses? Couldn't have anything to do with the mandate that all new houses have to be built with solar panels adding $30,000 to the cost of an already too expensive oil

49:26That solar panels that by the way when the next wildfire mudslider earthquake comes will be non-functional So but you won't have a power supply to back them up because you'll shut down all the power plants They're shutting down their last refinery The the the air commission in California Basically pass rules that made refineries in California shut down Once the last refinery was starting to shut down, Gavin Newsom said, oh, oh, please stay open But stay open under those rules They said we can't stay open under those rules And so they shut down so now they're importing all this this refined fuel It's not just oil they're pumping in from overseas Because they don't want any drilling any offshore there they could be getting it California has huge reserves, but you can't get to it under their rules So they're importing energy and every greater amounts if you if you like What's happening in California with loss of population with loss of businesses just elect Gavin Newsom as president

50:26Because this guy every summer they have power outages not occasionally every summer they have power outages Because of their energy mandates And so what's his solution they forced the nuclear power plants to close the last one's going to close He allowed it to stay open on an emergency basis It's not an emergency it's routine It's routine They allowed to stay over on emergency basis and then they begged it to stay open They said you told us we have to shut down what we know we said that but now we take it back I think he also subsidized it as well Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they give you money so that you can meet the requirements Yeah, that's it they already decommissioned it and they said it's going to cost us all this and he says oh yeah we'll pay for that We're asked if they just stayed out of the first place that power plant and another one would have stayed open all the time All along they would have been recommissioned by the federal government to go for another 50 years They'd have power from coal they'd have power from natural gas but they just

51:29Loaded these regulations and it's killing the power supply there it's making it unaffordable it's killing housing it's killing industry Industries are moving out left and right they are losing population they will lose seats in Congress with the next With the next census Well, I would say good to that because they deserve it but it's sad for the people that recognize what's going on But unfortunately you get what you vote for and the people are just I Will go smoke some more because that's where they are Well, that's the problem you know the Einstein said a Good definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results in California They keep electing liberal progressive Democrats To solve problems created by liberal progressive Democrats and they expect different results That's the definition matters It certainly is and I feel I feel bad for the people you know what there's another election coming up in November

52:35And that will be very telling because they have two candidates that actually are sane And if the people want sanity they'll vote for the either well they'll vote for one of those two And then probably the incumbent will win because one of those two will knock out the others Which is usually what happens the two should get together and be one and maybe one lieutenant governor Rather than allowing the Democrats to just rule the state in a power play that makes absolutely no sense So more people will believe in New York they're doing the same thing I heard Kathy Holkill the other day just was going to go down to Palm Beach and tell the Billionaires who still love New York to come back so she can tax them We run you out with our taxes and regulations with our calling the police office when they stop riots

53:39In New York their motto should be making crime great again And yet they want to try and tie these people to come back to suffer through all that And I'm pretty sure she's going to get a two finger salute I certainly hope so Sterling tell everyone all about where they can find you because I know you've got to leave And I want to get you out on time Thanks Karen they can find me at www.heartland.org They can they can go and sign up for my weekly newsletter climate change weekly or see daily climate at a glance Where we refute false news stories about climate change every day Well thanks for having me on again Thank you it's always wonderful and we'll have you back again and as these new regulations unfold and people do something that would be more sane than stupid Folks this is Karen Shone and you have been listening to the prism of America's education brought to you on the America out loud.newsnetwork

54:46So I will Okay Sterling I'm going to shut this so you can Folks the most important thing that you can do is pay attention And unfortunately we have a bad habit of not paying attention So oversight and I will say it and scream it from the rooftops vote in the primaries vet your candidates If we want more insanity as Sterling said what Einstein said then just keep on doing the same thing over and over again It makes absolutely no sense at all We have to make the changes America is a country where the people have the ability to make the changes So what are the most important changes get on the phone and get a hold of your senator and tell them to pass the Savak

55:47What insanity of having people who are not citizens of America vote in American elections That is a disgrace and we will wind up with more mandammies who want to destroy they do not want to build they want to destroy And we have it is up to us to make sure that that does not happen So this is Karen Shone you have been listening to the prism of America's education brought to you on the America out loud.newsnetwork We have a wonderful week and make sure that you know who your candidates are don't vote for a pretty face Conduct oversight especially in your state See you again next week

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