What Should We Name the New Front Range Train? Plus, Veo’s Scooter Takeover

Welcome to CityCast Denver, I'm Bri Davies, and here's what Denver's talking about.

Produced serve of Paul Corolley, good morning.

Hey, what's up, Bri?

And we have a first time guest, Andy Cushion, co-host of the Denver Urbanism Podcast and

creator of the buildup Denver Twitter account.

Welcome to the show, Andy.

Good morning, good morning, good morning.

So excited to talk to you.

We love our urbanists.

You guys know the city so well, so I think this is going to be a really fun conversation.

Well, let's just jump right in, because I think we got a lot to talk about with this top

story.

It's Denver's scooter situation.

So it was reported last December that in spring of 2026.

So like, soonish, Denver would ditch lime and bird scooters, booters and bikes for a new

micromobility operator called Veio.

And this seemed to take a lot of folks by surprise, because people really seem to like

these current micromobility companies, options and programs.

But before we dig into that, Andy, are you a scooter guy?

You know, I am not a scooter guy, but I am a bike guy.

And I was like a super frequent user of the lime bikes for years, actually, before I ever

had my own e-bike.

I just kind of unlocked a part of town for me that I wouldn't have gone to before to

see friends of mine to go further on the e-bikes.

So I'm very grateful for the lime contract that we've had.

I was never a B-cycle guy.

I have a lot of friends who were B-cycle people.

I can't relate to that, sorry to say.

But I fall off of this scooters.

If I ever try and ride them, I literally just have to throw this scooter in Veio, because

I get unstable.

The lime bikes, though, the new booters, whatever we're calling those.

Big fans.

Paul, were you a B-cycle guy?

I think I did ride a few of them.

Yeah, but my B-cycle connection now is, I mean, the OGs will appreciate it, but I had

a friend who heard me talking about this in the podcast once, and then they knew someone

that had worked for the company that did it or something, and like, when B-cycles were

taken offline, which was a whole other story, they somehow, I mean, somehow this person,

they procured a certain B-cycle fell off the back of a truck, I think, was a situation.

And now that B-cycle was gifted to me, and it's not just any B-cycle, but it is one of

the unicorn B-cycles, with the special pink design and the like, the artists design on

it, they're like cartoons on it.

And it is gorgeous, and it is currently gathering rust in my backyard.

Paul, put it in your garage.

She won.

I had a garage, and then my wife was like, that thing is taking up space in the garage.

You should get rid of it.

And I was like, what if we put it in the yard?

We could let the most relatable bike thing you've ever said, though, is like just the more

bikes you have in the garage, the more you know you're a bike person.

Yeah.

I mean, she would say too many, but someone's in my heart.

So I didn't know we were going to be airing the grievances on the show today.

I'm calling Megan.

Yeah.

It is a subjective dispute.

There's too much crap in the garage.

Well, Paul, you've been investigating this sort of, this, this drop of information since

a drop last winter, because again, it kind of seemed out of nowhere for such a big decision.

But before we get into that, I'd love for you to give us a little of the TLDR burden

line in Denver.

Like, when did we first get these services?

Actually, I want to drop some knowledge on you right off the bat.

I mean, this is the single most useful piece of information that we will deliver on the

show today.

So I am not answering your question at all and instead say to everybody, the way you

pronounce the company's name, I talked to the guy Alex Keating.

He's like the vice president of partnerships.

He's like one of the lobbyist types that's doing the negotiations with the city for the

company that is now the sole licensee to provide micromobility solutions to the city of Denver.

It is not veil.

And I asked when I was like, how do you pronounce it, Veo?

And he, and when I asked him this, he was like, it's Vio.

Everybody, everybody asks this, everybody gets it wrong, Vio.

So I don't know how we start off on the right foot with this and say, Vio, because they

like Vio, it's not Veo, but it's Vio.

I mean, I blame that on our like, uh, Spanish language, inflectional, 100% into our language

where A's are, you know, the A, the E son is an A and that's, I assume, why all of us

have said it that way.

I mean, all I know is in two, in two years, I'm telling you, everybody's going to be calling

it the Vio.

That's going to be how you know, let me get on the Vio, yeah.

And then once it's, it's been said enough times that will just be what it is, whether

the company wants it to be or not, which is how, but the beauty of language.

Um, but okay, Paul, so, but let's, let's backtrack a little bit, yeah, the TLD, how do

we get here?

So many people will remember back, 2018 May, uh, the scooter companies that were rising

at the time that had all of the big investment money from all the venture capitalists that

thought this was the next big market to take over, they, they basically use the Uber and

Lyft model where they just sort of showed up and they dumped a whole crap ton of scooters

on the streets.

And then people were like, what are these things do we use them?

And some people thought they were really cool and started using them to get around and

other people were like, this is the worst, this is in my way, I hate this scooter and

people chucked them in the creek, uh, which is still the funniest thing about them.

So that was like the Wild West.

I just want to say really quick about the Wild West moment of it because, uh, my friend

Kaelin disability activist who uses a wheelchair, these things would be parked across a sidewalk

than she could not get through.

And so there used to be an Instagram, I think, called bird graveyard.

And she would like, oh, yeah.

She would ram her wheelchair into, to knock him over because she was so mad.

Like, these are parked in my way, but, but that was the very beginning to be fair, things

have changed.

Yeah, they've changed a lot.

I mean, we've gone from the Wild West to, I mean, it's an entirely different situation

now.

Um, and I think people maybe have not realized what has happened with the scooter world

because a lot of cities across the country like Denver, smartened up to this new technology

and there were basically two realizations at once.

There was one, hey, we need to regulate this.

And then two, because people really like them, they're very useful to get around, you

know, micromobility, the scooters, the e-bikes, the sit-down scooters is some, the companies

call them.

They provide that last mile solution is what some of it, a lot of insider tech jargon is

is for, for folks to explain that really quick.

Yeah.

The first mile last mile because the, well, if you're getting off the bus, it doesn't drop

you off at your house.

So how do you get from your house to the bus stop?

That's the last mile.

So maybe you take a scooter.

That's the last mile thing.

So cities across the country, wise up, and they've basically adopted, most of them adopted

the model, the Denver's adopted, which is licensing a certain amount of operators and basically

allowing them to come in and use that public space to offer this service in exchange for

different things in different cities.

So previously, what Denver required was like equity access programs.

Lime had a program where you could get three free rides a day if you qualified and you

could qualify as long as you proved like you were maybe on snap benefits.

There was a lot of ways to qualify.

Sure.

Other cities do different things and Denver's actually changing.

The new contract with VO is probably going to be a whole new thing entirely because,

again, this space is very lucrative and these companies are competing in every single

city.

I mean, this is a scooter war now.

It's not the Wild West.

Denver is about one front of the scooter wars.

So cities across the country, they've been licensing these operators and now VO is probably

going to end up paying Denver some money for this license, which has not been the case

before.

Andy, really quick.

You're a person that looks at and studies the built environment and how it functions

every day.

What did you think about this sort of approach from scooter companies and bike companies

to just come in and drop them down?

Well, it's kind of, they're going to call it innovation and the city is going to call

it a risk.

And finding some balance between what is innovative and what's a risk is the whole point of public

policy.

So, congrats to a lot of really smart people who worked really hard and passed a new

ordinance that we just hadn't had before.

I do think a lot of them were responding though, just to a gap in the market.

In Denver, with the world of B-cycle, which is what we had for a decade before it kind

of went away, that was a world where like you had to have the docked system.

You had to return the bike to the right place.

And in a world where like there's not that many docs, you know, you're riding your bike

from your kind of where you live in the neighborhood down into downtown and then maybe even

like that dock was full already and you just suddenly can't enter ride.

You're kind of distressed about that.

So the dockless system is like probably a better solution.

I mean, we've gotten a lot more miles and a lot more users out of it in the last few

years, which to me is like also the point, you know, if people are just walking out of

their house and rather than calling the Uber or like driving the mile and a half down

the street to like go picnic with their friends at the park, but just taking the scooter

instead, like that's, that seems like kind of better for street life.

That seems better generally for, it's definitely better for carbon emissions.

I saw something that Vio had done a study or participated in a study where they estimated

their users told them that like 34% of the trips that they took using Vio were placing

car trips.

So like that's a really big deal.

We would have a lot more traffic on the street, a lot more congestion, a lot more crashes

and things like that that would happen because of that.

You know, if we didn't have some version of this happening.

Sure.

Yeah.

There's some policy there happening where it was like finding designated areas to park

them since the dock part didn't exist anymore, which is a really, it's a really great visual

point.

I think that I absolutely forgot about.

We're kind of reinventing the dock now, though, like this new model is like just paint

the dock and put it there in the dock, you know, so, you know, we went from away from

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Well Paul, let's get into it.

So Scooter and Lime have been around here.

I'm sorry.

Bird and Lime have been around Denver since 2018.

That's like pretty, I don't know.

I feel like it's pretty ingrained probably in a lot of folks's transit options every

day.

Although it's changed, I mean, Bird was one of the first to drop, but then Bird didn't

stick around.

In 2021, the city permitted two providers, Lyft and Lime.

That's when Lyft, Lyft and Lyft, Lyft was the new one in 2021.

And they got the five year permits that are expiring now, but then Lyft, their micromobility

division basically shut down because they failed to make money.

It seems and they had a bunch of layoffs.

So it's actually been a lot more dynamic in the Scooter world than it seems.

Like Lyft totally fell off and then Bird claimed their license and came back.

Although Lyme has got a much bigger fleet right now.

Lyme is definitely Denver's main provider.

Okay, but that's not going to, well, I guess is that, I'm trying to think how to

get there because it's like the information was dropped.

We were told this new company was coming in, but you talked, you talked to folks at

the current providers about this situation.

Well, what's happened over the last year is everybody knew that the five year licenses

were going to expire in mid 2026.

That's May 1st is when I think they expire.

And so the city in preparation for this put out a request for proposals in mid 2025.

And then all the scooter companies, I don't know how many.

I don't know which ones, but a bunch of scooter companies all wanted a piece of this pie

because they've seen scooter rides in Denver go up astronomically over the last five years.

It's very valuable market.

Denver writes love scooters.

And so a bunch of companies put in bids.

And in December of last year, the Department of Transportation and Infrastructure

chose VIO as their preferred provider.

Now, right now, that's not confirmed.

Is what's happening now is VIO needs to get city council approval for a contract.

And they're still negotiating the terms.

So the things that you're seeing reported right now are still under consideration.

And like we have some details of what VIO had put forth in their proposal to get this bid.

Yeah, yeah, I was like, what made them so special?

Well, a lot of things.

VIO is a very different kind of company.

VIO is not one of the companies that started off with this just like dropping a ton of scooters

on the street approach.

They've much more like grew slowly and gone market to market in places where they thought

that they could make money.

It wasn't like, they didn't have the same strategy.

So for VIO, there's a few key differences.

Number one, they don't use subcontractors.

The way that Lyme does, Lyme has like, you'll see trucks on the street like vans.

And it's all different kinds of vehicles because it's all different kinds of subcontractors.

It's not like one uniform system, the way Lyme moves their scooters from place to place.

VIO does it all in house.

Everything is in house with VIO.

So from the scooter logistics operations, all the way through to designing the actual

vehicles themselves, like that's all one company.

So that's a huge change.

Another huge change is they're changing, well, the proposal, you know, should City Council

approve this contract is the other big changes, they're changing the rate, the composition

of the fleet itself.

So currently, the majority of our micro mobility options are those stand-up scooters that we

first saw in 2018.

VIO, part of their pitch for a safer fleet for fewer crashes is changing that.

So it's fewer stand-up scooters where the center of gravity of a rider is higher and

maybe you're a little bit more prone to falling when you hit a bump or if you're drunk

and riding with two people after a night on the town, you're going to fall down and hurt

yourself.

They have more, more of the options in their fleet are the sit-down style.

The sit-down scooters, the e-bikes, or their cargo trikes that they're talking about.

And for them, that's a safety measure.

So we're going to see probably much more of those if this contract goes through.

And you said you don't do well on the stand-up.

No, I don't know why, I'm like not an uncoordinated person in the rest of my life.

I'm like a runner, I love walking, I'm doing all sorts of stuff, but I just, my legs

like lock on the scooters.

But I'm really excited about the change in the fleet here, especially I think some

of the bikes that I've seen I was looking at their website have like two seats on

it.

It's technically right now.

That's what I was getting asked about.

Not even supposed to be allowed for people to ride two to one scooter, although you see

it all the time.

Literally yesterday morning, I was biking to work and I saw a dad with his two little

twin girls all on one scooter.

And all of them acting very normal, very practiced at how to do that.

So I think just having more vehicles that offer a variety of ways for people to engage

with them, multiple people on the same vehicle more safely seems pretty good.

I love, okay, that was going to be my question for you, Paul, because one of the things

I see a lot is that very thing is a lot of parents are using this as a way to get their

kids around, which I totally understand.

But the safety component of it is a little bit scary.

So the fact that these may be able to like safely carry to people feels better already

to be honest with you.

So, okay, so I guess what is next?

You said city council has to approve this, but I mean, how will this be implemented?

How would I experience it as someone who's a regular rider of burger or lime?

Well, starting May 1st, all those lime scooters will be gone.

Someone's going to put them in a van, probably ship them off to Topeka or wherever the heck

lime is managed to win their next contract with whatever other city and the fine people

at Vio, we're going to dump all their scooters on the streets, and we're all going to be

downloading a new app.

Yeah, sure, so no service interruption.

That's the pitch.

I mean, and they say that these because these contracts actually change a lot, like we

had with Lyft, like their scooter showed up and then they were gone, like they didn't

really notice that it was at a big deal, was that a problem for people?

I don't know.

I don't remember being a big issue.

So I think the company is pretty much anticipating this being a pretty seamless transition, just

because they have so much experience doing it already.

Yeah, DS, how you make a face about that?

Well, I just, you know, I do think one of the things that like the city maybe isn't taking

for granted or isn't really appreciating here is just the power of in-compancy, right?

Like people have just learned to do their day around the lime scooters that they use.

Maybe they're going to be totally fine with Vio.

I'm telling you, we're going to get lots of little complaints in the first few weeks.

Like, oh, I can't find one.

It's not here.

It's not there.

And I also think, too, just like the changing vehicles is just maybe going to confuse people

at first.

And the other part, again, I don't mean to be too critical, but like there are the folks

who were enrolled in a lot of these like access programs, there was like a really great piece

in Westward about the guy who like rode the most miles on like a lime bike in the whole

world was like here in Denver by using that program.

Vio is saying all the right stuff.

They're saying like, oh, yeah, we're just going to let you ride for free if you think you're

part of that accessibility, you know, in that equity program, like early days, and then

we'll kind of check your paperwork later.

But I just, I do think that there are going to be some people that which I saw that like

the first day that the contract would be would be the first of May.

So I guess, you know, prepare yourselves regular scooter riders, you know, just for like

a little bit of going outside and finding a color change and maybe something looking

a little different.

Sure.

This is what the folks of lime have been talking about.

They lost the contract, but they're still fighting for it.

They because if city council rejects or like the negotiations go bad with Vio, the folks

at lime are like ready and waiting.

And they've been talking to, you know, people in the press about this exact problem.

The changeover specifically as it relates to the equity program.

And they've gotten the folks at servicio still arasa were quoted in nine news talking

about how it takes a long time to build trust with a new program, especially for folks

who are enrolled in programs like this, the quote from James Gillespie at servicio said

over the last three and a half years, we were able to work with lime and we've enrolled

hundreds and hundreds of community members to get a new program started up, whether it's

a lime access or really any program takes a lot of time to kind of navigate that new

information.

So they are worried about service interruptions for those folks who rely on this.

Yeah.

And folks that really rely on it like to getting to a job on time kind of thing.

And I think because servicios provides a lot of different services for the community,

but one of them is connecting them to programs like this.

And that does seem like kind of a big task for some of these organizations that we're

helping to implement this accessibility program.

Yeah.

I mean, that's why lime is talking it up to because they feel like they put in all this

time, they put in all this money invested in this program.

And then they're just going to lose the license.

And then all that has no value to them.

Yeah.

That's a big.

I'll be curious to see how what city council thinks of this because I don't know if I've

seen any direct comments from folks, Darryl Watson has been brought up, but I don't

know.

I will say I saw the mayor ride a lime scooter once.

He turned up to an event.

I was at on a lime scooter.

Oh, really?

So you know what?

Next interview, you're going to have to get his review on it.

Did he look like he could handle it?

How was he doing on there?

Oh, he looked like an expert, like he looked like he had done it maybe with a child

in front.

I'm like, did he look like the couple that were caught?

Writing on I-70 on one.

One of my favorite names.

One of my favorite names.

No.

Yeah.

This is on a much more reasonable street to take a lime scooter down.

But that was like one of the first times I'd ever seen him out in person was like on a

lime scooter.

I was like, wow.

Well, we'll be watching this because we know a lot of folks utilize these micro mobility

options.

We're going to take a quick break.

And when we come back, we're talking about another form of transportation.

Brought range, passenger rail.

OK, we're back.

We're talking front range passenger rail and what it should be called.

Before we get to that, front range passenger rail is governor, polices, transit, dream.

And it looks like it might be coming true.

But the question is, and in this moment is, what will that dream be called?

So for folks that aren't familiar, this rail line would run along I-25 and start and

forward Collins with stops in Loveland, Longmont, and Boulder before following along US 36

to Denver.

Then from Denver, it would have stops in Lone Tree, Castle Rock, Colorado Springs, in

Pueblo.

I mean, this would be huge for the front range.

Not Trinidad, though.

Sorry, Trinidad.

Oh, we had to call the way to Trinidad.

That's where I would be going, actually, for the fancy spider festival in October.

Yeah.

Be nice to go down there.

Well, apparently it's too expensive.

This is South Paces.

It runs the front range passenger rail district set in the Denver Post, I think.

They counted it out.

Too expensive.

Too expensive.

Because it's already going to be expensive, and voters are going to have to foot the bill.

Exactly.

And that's really what they're trying to get all this figured out before this potentially

goes to the ballot in November, which is what they hope, and which is what the governor

really hopes.

They'd be asking voters for a half a cent per dollar sales tax increase to fund the train.

And so before this potentially goes to the ballot, they want to know what it should

be called.

And there were about a hundred names, and they got it down to these few finalists, which

I will read, and we will discuss the timing, though.

Yes.

It is weird, right?

But they're asking us to pick a name for it before it's even on the ballot.

So like, what are we supposed to get emotionally invested in this thing?

Yes.

And like, it's going to exist in people's minds before it actually we vote for the money

for it.

I don't know.

I think that's what they're banking on.

I don't know.

Andy, what do you think?

Yeah.

What do you think us deciding the name before we decide if we want to pay for it?

Well, like, look, there's a name now for the Colfax BRT, theoretically, it's supposed

to be called like the links, right?

Like, I don't hear regular people out there.

I've literally never heard anyone refer to it as that.

Correct.

So like, maybe calling the front-range passenger rail by some kind of cuter name does

do wonders for their branding?

It remains to be seen and proved literally once ever.

And I want to say this one more time.

I've said it again.

They, the links missed the opportunity of just calling it the 15, which is a storied bus

route on Colfax that has, I mean, sure, the lore around it is both good and probably

traumatic for folks, but I would still love to just refer to it as the 15.

But we're talking about.

I've been saying before.

I don't know if we've actually talked about that.

That's not right.

Yeah, we talked about the names early on.

And again, that might be the only time I ever heard us talk about the names.

Because since then, I've never heard anyone say anything but the Colfax BRT.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're right.

The links.

The links.

Well, let's talk about what the front-range passenger rail options are here.

We have the Colorado connector, or Coco, for short, Colorado Ranger, which is a play on

word since the train runs along the front range according to Colorado Sun.

The front-range express destinations, or Fred, for short, or RangeLink.

Do any of these sound good to you guys?

Well, RangeLink, I'm going to need the Wi-Fi password for.

That is a network that I'm going to access through my laptop.

It also feels like a newsletter from my community college name.

RangeLink?

Personally.

Yeah, I'm reading the RangeLink.

Fred just sounds like a really motivated member of the community wanted it named after him,

and came up with an acronym to suit it.

The way they do bills in Congress, like they literally just said, the acronym will be

my name, which is Fred, and we will find the letters to make it work.

I love that about it, though.

That's like relatable and regular.

I want to meet the Fred.

The Fred that the train is named after.

That one's fun to me.

I don't.

Fred doesn't feel like it's got a lot of, oh, behind it, like, well, I'm waiting for the

Fred again.

Fred's like, not speedy.

You know, there's not really a promise of, like, excitement, you know?

I may be thinking of, like, the most famous Fred to me as Fred Rogers, Mr. Rogers, and

talk about a kind, gentle, moving through the world slowly person, which he was much

appreciated for.

But I mean, I don't want to hate on any other Fred's.

Maybe there's a speedy Fred out there.

I don't know.

What about these other ones?

Colorado Ranger?

The Coco?

I thought you'd like the Coco.

You're sometimes known as Coco, for reasons that I had never asked you about.

It's, we'll just say it.

It's Harkensback to Myspace.

Paul.

Okay.

Different time.

But I just don't, I mean, I think you would say about that.

I think people would love to know.

I'd love to know.

I mean, you had to know me then, I guess, to know who the Coco really was, but it's now

part of my legal name.

You're being withholding right now.

It's part of your legal name.

Yeah.

Brianna, Coco Damies.

I was really committed, I know, I know.

To what you were committed, we, I guess, will never know.

I was real queen on Myspace, you know?

I don't.

Coco Chanel.

That you're both though, then, are you, are you, are you, are you Coco team Coco?

Absolutely not.

No, what I would say is, I don't like this for what it's short for.

The Colorado connector, that's so boring, it's so boring.

I mean, I want something, I want like the getter done 2000 or something, or 3000, I guess,

we're into the, we're into well into the 2000s.

So that would be my pitch is the getter done.

I don't know.

What do you guys think?

You got any other good pitches?

Well, I remember we talked about this literally five years ago, very soon after the show,

this city cast started up because this front range passenger rail thing has been around

for so long.

I think people have been talking about it for decades, but when we talked about it with

former CPR transportation reporter Nate minor, we had some ideas, and I found those.

We called them.

Oh my God.

We proposed the polis express.

He would love that.

He would love that.

He would love that.

He would love that.

He would love that.

He would love that.

Not bad.

This is his, his baby.

Another one I like.

Blucifer's dream.

Can't really see that working for a lot of people.

No, but what about the Blucifer Express?

Like the pony express, the Blucifer Express?

Yeah.

That's not bad.

Well, this very, you know, the four Collins and Pueblo people, they're going to vote

that down just because they're like, no, it's two Denver Central.

That's true.

That's, this is why you get such generic names.

I mean, they're like, oh, it needs to be something that unites everybody.

This is true.

And like, why don't they just call it like, you know, the I-25 Eliminator?

You know, like, just, just as something else.

It will just shorten to the Eliminator.

I don't know.

Correct.

You know, I mean, here's my real pitch.

Just put on the ballot, a second question that's like a right in on what you think the name should be.

Also, it's what the name should be.

Yeah.

You're going to get a lot of anticipation in that ballot initiative there.

That's true.

Maybe that would get more people to vote on the money part if they got to put their, you know,

two cents behind the name part.

Yeah.

I don't know.

The last one we talked about was Nate's pick, the Columbine Cruiser.

I feel like that's like generic and broad enough that it might actually work for people.

And specific enough that I like it.

You could put a picture of the flower.

I would just call it the cruiser after the long time hobby of cruising,

which can mean many things in many different cultures and social groups.

I would definitely go for the cruiser, for sure.

I don't know about Columbine in front of it.

I mean, it'd be cute for the branding.

Yeah.

Possibly.

You know, I would like a nice blue.

I was thinking about this with the blue cipher thing, maybe a nice blue train.

But then I thought, also, that's like the color of Polis's favorite weird running shoes.

So he might be under that.

What?

His blue shoes, his blue tennis shoes, his bright blue tennis shoes.

Yes.

He wears them constantly.

I literally just looked at an article this morning of him coming up the steps.

Is it the same one?

Yes.

He's wearing his suit.

Yes.

You know, he's like doing his business, ready to shake hands and he's wearing his little blue

running shoes.

Yes.

Yeah, I Googled blue, Jerry Polis sneakers, they are, there are a lot of blue sneakers,

but it looks like it's, he's gone through different brands over the years.

That's why he's not sponsored.

He isn't committed.

That's true.

Wait till he gets out of office and suddenly he's going to have like a contract with

Altra or something like that or new, or new balance or something like that.

Him and Jamal Murray and their true company wants to be a soci.

Maybe that's what he goes into.

This is good.

Blue is good.

Call my cruiser.

I like it.

Call it a Ranger.

I think it's probably, I could see that being the one.

That's like broad and generic.

They could also get a nice sponsorship deal with the new Belgian brewing, the Voodoo Ranger.

Oh, yeah.

That's their flagship beer.

Very popular beer.

Oh, and they have that artist.

That's, oh my god, I'm embarrassed.

I can't remember that.

My bad issue, actually.

The illustrator's name that's really famous for those, for their designs on their labels.

Ranger could be okay.

I don't know.

I like the double meaning, the front ranger, the ranger.

I think I would just call it the ranger.

I think if I was going to shorten it, but it's generic enough that it's fine.

No one would hear the ranger and go like, what?

What?

Yeah.

Or one of those names that no one wants to call it because it's so weird.

But anyone can vote on this.

I will say you have until March 23rd to put in your vote for the four names.

That they've picked.

We'll put a link in the show notes.

Paul, have you already voted?

I have not.

It didn't occur to me to actually vote.

I just prepared to talk about it.

Are you have you voted?

What are you going to vote for?

For real?

Fred.

I don't know, Andy.

For Fred.

For Fred.

I'm probably voting for the Colorado Ranger just because I don't also want to give it its

own acronym.

The name of the Colorado connector that comes with the acronym involved.

Just a little to South Park.

What is it?

Soto Sopa?

It's one of the best episodes of all time.

It really speaks to the way we live in this city.

But nevertheless, I just don't know that we give it its own acronym.

Let's let the people do that for us.

I actually just hope that you may be parked the years of the South Park writers and they

skewer this thing because I'd love to see how much they make fun of all the names that

are here.

But we'll see.

We'll see.

I have until March 23rd to vote on that.

But we'd love to hear from you.

Do you have an idea for the new train's name?

Give us a call on the front range passenger rail name game hotline at 7205005418 and tell

us your big idea.

Again, you can text or leave us a voice mail at 7205005418.

I got one last detail for you about Vio.

Brie, I forgot about this, but I really wanted to share this.

I asked Alex from Vio.

What happens if a Vio scooter gets chucked in the creek?

Oh, yeah.

That was that's been a problem.

It's been an issue and he says, you know, we're monitoring blah, blah, blah, blah,

we'll fish it out basically.

But he made sure to tell me for environmental purposes, Vio bikes and scooters utilize non-toxic

paint and the batteries are certified for some immersion without leaking.

Oh, well, I mean, that's good to know.

So that is a legit answer that they thought about and designed for.

So environmentalists don't worry about all those ones that are going to get chucked

in the creek.

The fish will be fine.

Probably still worry a little, but yes, they can worry more about the cars that drive

into the creek, maybe.

Yeah.

That's a whole other show, Andy.

That is a whole other show.

We haven't had roads ice enough for that this year.

Huh.

Maybe we'll see some later in the, I don't know, maybe we'll get that another spring snow

dump.

You never know.

Well, Andy Paul, thank you so much.

See you next time, Brie.

See ya.

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It's fun to see you guys like laughing on air, you know, as it were.

You know, I'm used to the sound of the laughter, but you know, it's cute.